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The Kenny Report | 16 April · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight Australia's fuel crisis gets worse thanks to a fire
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  Speaker 2: in one of our two remaining refineries. Shadow Attorney General
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  Speaker 2: Michaulia Cash joins me. The Albernezi government unveils its defense strategy,
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  Speaker 2: focusing on more drones and talking up its total spending.
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  Speaker 2: The Shadow Defense Minister James Patterson will join me as well.
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  Speaker 2: Peace talks between Israel and Lebanon, with more talks looming
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  Speaker 2: between the US and Iran.
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  Speaker 1: The former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer.
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  Speaker 2: Will give us his thoughts on the latest developments in
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  Speaker 2: the Middle East. And can a transgender woman a biological
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  Speaker 2: man be a lesbian?
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  Speaker 1: A lesbian group has had a major victory.
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  Speaker 2: Plus Sport with Robbo and Tim and Mark will make
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  Speaker 2: sense of another bizarre week.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get cracking. Just when we.
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  Speaker 2: Braced ourselves for our own lack of liquid fuel security,
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  Speaker 2: just when our heavy reliance on imported refined fuels is exposed,
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  Speaker 2: and just when we lament the fact that most of
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  Speaker 2: our oil refineries have been shut down and only two
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  Speaker 2: of them remain, one of them catches fire.
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  Speaker 3: This fire broke out here at the Viva Energy Royal
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  Speaker 3: oil refinery in Geelong just after eleven o'clock last night,
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  Speaker 3: with residents in the area hearing loud explosions, flames then
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  Speaker 3: shooting well up into the sky. This is only one
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  Speaker 3: of two remaining oil refineries in Australia. According to the
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  Speaker 3: company's website, it processes up to one hundred and twenty
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  Speaker 3: thousand barrels of oil each and every day.
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  Speaker 1: The good news is that no workers were injured.
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  Speaker 2: But this Geelong refinery produces about ten percent of the
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  Speaker 2: nation's petrol and the fire comes at a time when
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  Speaker 2: petrol stations have already been running short. So it was
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  Speaker 2: time for another intervention of genius from our Climate and
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  Speaker 2: Energy Minister.
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  Speaker 4: So it sounds like it might be too early to
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  Speaker 4: say whether or not it's going to have an impact
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  Speaker 4: on Australia's fuel smote.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's certainly not a positive development.
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  Speaker 2: His powers of deduction are extraordinary, aren't they. The blaze
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  Speaker 2: was put out after more than twelve hours. The parts
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  Speaker 2: of the plant effected produced petrol and also avgas for aviation.
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  Speaker 2: Even though the refinery owners say they'll make up for
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  Speaker 2: any loss supply with more imports. Some experts say this
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  Speaker 2: accident could lead to fuel rationing, and the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: has expressed concern from Malaysia, where he's been groveling for
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  Speaker 2: guaranteed fuel supplies.
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  Speaker 5: Obviously there will need to be an assessment of that
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  Speaker 5: and the consequences for fuel supply. Clearly there will be
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  Speaker 5: consequences for it, but there'll be a proper assessment taking
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  Speaker 5: place over the coming short period as well. We think
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  Speaker 5: that will continue to work with the company to do
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  Speaker 5: what we can to make sure that anything that is
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  Speaker 5: offline is brought online as soon as possible.
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  Speaker 2: Bowen says the settings in the fuel plan will stay
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  Speaker 2: as they are for now anyway.
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  Speaker 1: But the PM.
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  Speaker 2: Also says he's secured an extra one hundred million liters
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  Speaker 2: of diesel in shipments from Brunei and Malaysia, where he's
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  Speaker 2: been visiting the past couple of days. To put that
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  Speaker 2: into perspective, that's about a day's supply for Australia and
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  Speaker 2: you'd have to work hard to convince me that this
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  Speaker 2: fuel wouldn't be coming to Australia anyway.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is a blow.
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  Speaker 2: Desperately trying to look like he's doing something still this
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  Speaker 2: desperation for more fuel, of course, puts the lie to
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  Speaker 2: the Energy Minister's ridiculous claim that no countries are looking
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  Speaker 2: for more fossil fuels.
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  Speaker 6: In all my discussions with my international colleagues energy and climate,
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  Speaker 6: there isn't one country in the world that said, you
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  Speaker 6: know what this fuel crisis fromandi US is, we need
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  Speaker 6: more fossil fuels.
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  Speaker 2: Bowen's wild and erroneous claims that I've called out all
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  Speaker 2: week here are now being slammed more widely, both on
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  Speaker 2: the basis that he's pretending more fossil fuels are not
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  Speaker 2: necessary just when we're desperately short of them. Band Is
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  Speaker 2: claims that there are no international choke points for renewables
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  Speaker 2: when we rely on China for the turbines, we rely
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  Speaker 2: on China for the solar panels, the batteries, the transmission kit,
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  Speaker 2: the devices and the cars and the charges of the
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  Speaker 2: so called renewables transition. Bowen continues to preside over a
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  Speaker 2: rolling energy shambles as he dismantles our reliable electricity grid
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  Speaker 2: in pursuit of net zero. I guess if we run
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  Speaker 2: out of fuel will be well on the way to
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  Speaker 2: net zero. The nation's vulnerability on defense was in focus
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  Speaker 2: today too, as the Defense Minister and Acting Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: Richard Miles outlined the government's defense strategy. He rolled out
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  Speaker 2: a bold new claim about spending.
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  Speaker 7: Based on current GDP projections, we now have spending committed
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  Speaker 7: in the budget that will take us to a defense
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  Speaker 7: spend of three percent of GDP by twenty thirty three.
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  Speaker 7: And it's much more than this when you include other
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  Speaker 7: supporting investments in critical infrastructure, the defense of networks, civil
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  Speaker 7: preparedness and resilience, innovation, and the full strengthening of our
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  Speaker 7: defense industrial base.
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  Speaker 2: Now, this is mainly a bit of statistical trickery labor
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  Speaker 2: adopting a new calculation that NATO users to include all
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  Speaker 2: sorts of non military spending as part of the overarching
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  Speaker 2: defense spend.
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  Speaker 7: Now, you know, we don't particularly lean into international comparisons,
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  Speaker 7: but when we're engaging in international comparisons, we do international comparisons.
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  Speaker 7: And so we're using the NATO measure, which is how
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  Speaker 7: you compare apples with apples. And what's clear is that
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  Speaker 7: when you do that, you know we're spending more on
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  Speaker 7: this day than any other equivalent, like minded country in
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  Speaker 7: the Indo Pacific are more than most countries of NATO.
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  Speaker 2: Now a key part of the new strategy is drones.
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  Speaker 2: The government is sinking more money into drones and other
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  Speaker 2: autonomous vehicles and operations, something other defense forces around the
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  Speaker 2: world have been getting the jump on.
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  Speaker 7: We'll also expand the fleet of autonomous uncrewed systems across
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  Speaker 7: all domains with a strong emphasis on sovereign industry and
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  Speaker 7: Australian innovation.
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  Speaker 2: Liberal front venture and sas veteran Andrew Hasty has been
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  Speaker 2: demanding this for years.
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  Speaker 6: Need to be investing in low cost drones so that
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  Speaker 6: we can keep up with the developments in warfare, and
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  Speaker 6: we need defense industry to be doing that, our sovereign industry,
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  Speaker 6: not buying stuff overseas, but actually backing our own industry
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  Speaker 6: here in Australia so that we can get new capabilities
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  Speaker 6: that are world classed and we will give us an edge
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  Speaker 6: in the next conflict. That was Hasty on this program
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  Speaker 6: two years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Perhaps labors should have just taken up Hasty's advice earlier,
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  Speaker 2: but if they were unofficially adopting his strategy on warfare equipment,
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  Speaker 2: Miles clearly directed a strategic slap at Hasty when he
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  Speaker 2: defended Labour's approach to the US Alliance and the rules
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  Speaker 2: based international order.
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  Speaker 7: The global rules based order provides a middle power like
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  Speaker 7: Australia with agency. A world defined purely by power and
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  Speaker 7: might does not, and it is most definitely against Australia's
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  Speaker 7: national interest to rush, as some Australians have to the
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  Speaker 7: conclusion that the order no longer has any role to play.
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  Speaker 1: Now agree or disagree with males.
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  Speaker 2: This was definitely an attempt to push back against Hasties hyperrealism.
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  Speaker 6: I said this morning that I think the rules based
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  Speaker 6: global order is dead and buried again.
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  Speaker 1: That was Andrew Hasty on this program.
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  Speaker 2: This seems like an important debate, but to a degree
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  Speaker 2: in my view it's redundant. I mean, of course Australia
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  Speaker 2: needs to support a rules based international order, but to
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  Speaker 2: the extent it has ever existed, it's been imposed by
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  Speaker 2: the US and the Western Alliance nations, not by other
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  Speaker 2: alliances or the United Nations. So while we have an
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  Speaker 2: unorthodox US president at the moment whose retoric tends to
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  Speaker 2: run far ahead of his actions, the focus for Australia
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  Speaker 2: should remain on the primacy of that US Alliance, not
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  Speaker 2: chipping away at America and pretending we can be independent
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  Speaker 2: and self sufficient. No one should put any faith in
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  Speaker 2: the ability of the United Nations to oversee a peaceful
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  Speaker 2: and secure world order.
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  Speaker 1: Working with the.
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  Speaker 2: US and it's NATO and Pacific allies is the only
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  Speaker 2: path to that nirvana. Sadly, we've made sure that with
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  Speaker 2: our energy self harm and our climate posturing, and our
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  Speaker 2: defense tardiness and our economic negligence, we've made sure that
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  Speaker 2: we are further away from defense and security self reliance
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  Speaker 2: than ever before. Let's go to the city of Melbourne
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  Speaker 2: catch up with James Patterson, the Liberal senator and shadow
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  Speaker 2: Defense Minister.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, James.
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  Speaker 2: First up your critique of the speech today by Richard Miles.
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  Speaker 6: Look, there are some good things in at Chris. I
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  Speaker 6: think there is a form of increased defense spending, although
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  Speaker 6: exactly how much is not completely clear on what the
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  Speaker 6: Defense Minister said today. I think it's good that they've
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  Speaker 6: belatedly acknowledged that we're in the age of missiles and drones.
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  Speaker 6: But that's four years after the war in Ukraine and
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  Speaker 6: many months after Iran conflict has broken out, and I
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  Speaker 6: think it was good that the Defense Minister called out
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  Speaker 6: the PRC and their malign activities in the South China
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  Speaker 6: Sea in particular. But against that, you have five billion
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  Speaker 6: dollars of secret cuts in the forward estimates that we
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  Speaker 6: don't know what that is for, and an unknown amount
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  Speaker 6: of further cuts in the medium term. You've got this
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  Speaker 6: accounting trickery of pretending that we're increasing defense spending just
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  Speaker 6: by counting things like military pensions in the defense spend
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  Speaker 6: that we never previously did. And frankly a pretty petty
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  Speaker 6: and beneath him attacked by the Deputy Prime Minister on veterans,
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  Speaker 6: including generals and people who've served our country, including former
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  Speaker 6: defense bureaucrats, because they've been critical of the government's national
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  Speaker 6: security in defense policy. I think that was beneath the
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  Speaker 6: Prime Minister at the National Press Club.
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  Speaker 2: What about this issue of the rules based international order
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  Speaker 2: and the US Alliance? You know, these are testing times
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  Speaker 2: and Donald Trump is a testing president for all.
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  Speaker 1: Of his allies.
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  Speaker 2: He's done so much without consulting his allies and then
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  Speaker 2: ask why they're not on board. But it is an
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  Speaker 2: important point, isn't it that we need to stick with
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  Speaker 2: the Alliance. It's much bigger than one president or one
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  Speaker 2: set of difficult circumstances.
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  Speaker 6: The world has changed since the ninety nine is christ
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  Speaker 6: and we should be sober and honest about that. With
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  Speaker 6: the Australian people, that was a unipolar moment with one
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  Speaker 6: dominant global power in the United States, and we're now
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  Speaker 6: in either a bipolar moment with China or a multipolar
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  Speaker 6: moment if you want to count other powers as well.
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  Speaker 6: And we also have, as you say, US administration that's
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  Speaker 6: behaving unconventionally. I don't personally think that means that everything
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  Speaker 6: about the international rules based order is dead or should
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  Speaker 6: be abandoned. But we shouldn't pretend that we're in this
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  Speaker 6: nineteen nineties Navana moment either. Very clearly it has changed
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  Speaker 6: and it demands something different of us, which is much
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  Speaker 6: greater investment in our own defense and national security and
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  Speaker 6: real investment, not just moving money around and pretending that
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  Speaker 6: we're spending more.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, this is the point about the rules based international order.
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  Speaker 2: If it's not imposed by the Western Alliance nations, then
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't exist. It's not imposed by the United Nations
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  Speaker 2: or the EU or any of the communist communist nations.
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  Speaker 2: And this point about us needing to be more self
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  Speaker 2: reliant is something that our major ally wants anyway. If
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  Speaker 2: there's been a theme of Donald Trump's two periods as president,
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  Speaker 2: it's been that allies need to carry their share of
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  Speaker 2: the burden, so it deepens the alliance as well as
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  Speaker 2: deepens our strengthens our own self reliance. If we spend
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  Speaker 2: more and do it more efficiently ourselves.
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  Speaker 6: I agree with you, Chris. We will both be a
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  Speaker 6: more self reliant country that's better to secure our interests
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  Speaker 6: in a dangerous world, and a bell are at better
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  Speaker 6: ally to the United States and others if we spend
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  Speaker 6: more on defense and our own best informed experts, people
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  Speaker 6: like Sairerangus Houston and Professor ped Dean, who completed the
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  Speaker 6: Defense Strategic Review for the Albaneze government, have said in
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  Speaker 6: order to do that, we need to be spending about
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  Speaker 6: three percent of GDP on defense capability. Now, the Albani's
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  Speaker 6: government's trying to fudge that by saying, well, we're almost
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  Speaker 6: sort of kind of spending three percent of GDP if
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  Speaker 6: you count military pensions and other things. But counting military
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  Speaker 6: pensions as part of the defense budget doesn't deliver one
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  Speaker 6: new ship, one new plane, one new missile, one new drone.
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  Speaker 6: It's just accounting trickery, and our men and women in
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  Speaker 6: uniform deserve better than that.
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  Speaker 2: When you talk about the long term outlies in defense,
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  Speaker 2: you have to look at Orcus and the nuclear submarines
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  Speaker 2: many many decades away. To what extent are you concerned
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  Speaker 2: that this could be a redundant technology by the time
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  Speaker 2: we get there. There's been so many advances in the
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  Speaker 2: use of drones. Of course we're going to be seeing
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  Speaker 2: as are starting to see autonomous vehicles, underwater vehicles and
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  Speaker 2: the like. Could large manned submarines be a thing of
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  Speaker 2: the past when it comes to the strategic assets so
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  Speaker 2: this country needs in the future.
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  Speaker 6: I don't share the concern that some analysts have expressed
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  Speaker 6: about this. And let's be clear, the US Virginia class
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  Speaker 6: submarine is a generation ahead of its next closest rival
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  Speaker 6: under the water, and its particularly has a significant edge
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  Speaker 6: over submarines operated by the People's Liberation Army Navy. But
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  Speaker 6: you don't have to take my word for it. The
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  Speaker 6: Chinese Navy is investing very heavily in next generation nuclear
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  Speaker 6: powered submarines, so they obviously don't think it's a redundant feature,
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  Speaker 6: and nor do why and the truth is that a
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  Speaker 6: lot of these uncrude platforms, that underwater ones and the
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  Speaker 6: ed ones are deployed in conjunction with crude platforms. And
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  Speaker 6: it would be a Virginia class submarine that would help
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  Speaker 6: deploy a platform like that to the relevant strategic area
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  Speaker 6: of concern. And so I think we need both, and
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  Speaker 6: I think we need to spend more so we can
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  Speaker 6: get both.
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  Speaker 2: And finally talk to us about defense personnel, both attracting
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  Speaker 2: and retaining the key personnel that all of our defense
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  Speaker 2: forces need.
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  Speaker 1: It's an ongoing problem, isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: And how can we or this gabment or the next
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  Speaker 2: gabment adequately address that.
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  Speaker 1: It certainly is.
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  Speaker 6: We are below the authorized strength of the ADF, and
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  Speaker 6: the Albaneza government reduced the target for the number of
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  Speaker 6: personnel in the ADF to try and make it easier
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  Speaker 6: for them to hit the targets. But we're not going
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  Speaker 6: to be out of man all the platforms that we need,
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  Speaker 6: including submarines and frigates and other exciting new technology we're requiring,
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  Speaker 6: unless we've got the people to do it. The good
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  Speaker 6: news is there's a lot of young people who are patriotic,
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  Speaker 6: who are inspired by service, and I understand particularly want
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  Speaker 6: to serve on nuclear submarines. It's one of the most
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  Speaker 6: popular areas that young people who are signing up to
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  Speaker 6: the ADF say they want to be part of. So
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  Speaker 6: that's exciting. But we need to reward them, we need
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  Speaker 6: to back them, we need to inspire them, and frankly,
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  Speaker 6: I think we could do a lot more to do that.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Senator, I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: Senator James Patterson, their shadow defenseman, said we're going to
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  Speaker 2: jump across to the other side of the country now
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  Speaker 2: and catch up with the shadow Attorney General, michaulia Cash.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Sir michaelia.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to go straight to the fuel crisis
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  Speaker 2: and the fire in Geelong and the way this exposes
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  Speaker 2: just how fragile our situation is.
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  Speaker 8: Absolutely and Chris, what I think it also shows is
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  Speaker 8: it's beyond a fuel crisis now. It is a lack
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  Speaker 8: of confidence by the states, and they are labor states.
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  Speaker 8: In our prime Minister, you will have seen that my
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  Speaker 8: state of Western Australia and even our New South Wales
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  Speaker 8: are now looking to secure their own sources of fuel.
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  Speaker 8: Why because they don't have confidence in our Prime minister.
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  Speaker 8: He has lost control of this crisis, and in fact
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  Speaker 8: some would argue he never had control of this crisis.
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  Speaker 8: What we have always said is needed is a national approach,
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  Speaker 8: a national response come out out of Canberra. What we
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  Speaker 8: have now around Australia is just a patchwork. Patchwork does
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  Speaker 8: not provide the security that Australia needs. And that's why
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  Speaker 8: you say Western Australia, probably New South Wales maybe other
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  Speaker 8: states now literally saying we've lost confidence in our prime minister.
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  Speaker 8: And I agree with you in relation to Chris Bowen
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  Speaker 8: is now known as Buffer and Bowen based on.
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  Speaker 9: His head in the sand comments.
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  Speaker 8: As I said, it's now gone beyond a fuel crisis.
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  Speaker 8: This is now a crisis of confidence in the prime
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  Speaker 8: minister of this country.
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  Speaker 2: I've got to say that I've seen Prime Minister Anthony Alberze.
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  Speaker 2: He's traveled this week and last week as really an
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  Speaker 2: attempt to pretend.
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  Speaker 1: He's doing something.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you wanted oil from oil rich countries
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  Speaker 2: like Brunei and Malaysia in our region, this should have
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  Speaker 2: been something that was acted on many many years ago
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  Speaker 2: to make sure that less of our fuel has to
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  Speaker 2: come through the Straits of who mus and then of
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  Speaker 2: course Alberesi today has announced that because of him, one
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  Speaker 2: hundred million liters of diesel is coming into the country.
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  Speaker 2: That's one day's supply.
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  Speaker 9: Correct one day.
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  Speaker 8: So what we've said is they need to set up
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  Speaker 8: a national dashboard Australians. They should be given transparency by
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  Speaker 8: this government. They should know at any given point of
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  Speaker 8: time how much fuel is in this country, where it is,
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  Speaker 8: where the bowelers are that are dry, where it's going to.
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  Speaker 8: But more than that, what is this government doing to
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  Speaker 8: ensure that we increase our storage capacity? They were great
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  Speaker 8: criticizers of us. You know that famous video now of
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  Speaker 8: mister Albanesi criticizing us in twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 9: Well have it his words come back to buy it.
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  Speaker 8: When we left office, fuel storage in this country was
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  Speaker 8: at sixty four days. Mister Albanesi has done nothing to
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  Speaker 8: increase that.
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  Speaker 9: In fact, it is worse it is now.
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  Speaker 8: When the crisis began, as you know, it was at
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  Speaker 8: forty nine days. But worse than that. You've got Chris
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  Speaker 8: Bowen and I just you replayed it. It was it
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  Speaker 8: was just fantastic buffalo and Bowen saying that this cruel
• 19:07
  Speaker 8: nowhere in this cruel fuel crisis. Has any other country said, oh,
• 19:11
  Speaker 8: this lack of fuel means that we need I mean,
• 19:15
  Speaker 8: what does he think is prime minister.
• 19:17
  Speaker 9: Is currently doing?
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Does he think out for me?
• 19:20
  Speaker 8: He's currently doing and he is running around trying to
• 19:23
  Speaker 8: secure more fossil fuels, but I think more worrying. That
• 19:27
  Speaker 8: means there's a total disconnect at the very top, and
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: as you rightly pointed out, we don't know what's actually happening. Albanez,
• 19:34
  Speaker 8: he stands up and gives a prep conference, what is
• 19:37
  Speaker 8: actually happening as a result of this travel? What did
• 19:40
  Speaker 8: he actually secure in Singapore? Because on my analysis, he
• 19:43
  Speaker 8: secured nothing more than what we already had. Why even
• 19:47
  Speaker 8: bother standing up and addressing the Australian people, don't treat
• 19:51
  Speaker 8: them like mugs. Come back here and actually do something,
• 19:56
  Speaker 8: because your labor states are showing they have no confidence
• 19:59
  Speaker 8: in your our prime minister at all.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I got to say this is one of those issues
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: where you see just how jaundice the media is because
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I can imagine if a coalition energy minister was saying
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: no one's chasing extra fossil fuels while the Prime Minister
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: was overseas chasing fossil fuels.
• 20:17
  Speaker 8: The image you have meme after meme after meme, that.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Is most of the media, the Canbra Press gallery and
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: letting them get away with this absolutely paradoxical nonsense. I
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: want to get onto immigration and this survey today that
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: shows our population is outstripping our housing growth by a
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: factor of three.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: No wonder people can't afford to buy a house.
• 20:40
  Speaker 8: Well, Chris, it's the double whammy, isn't it. Under the
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: Labor government, you bring too many people in. And despite
• 20:46
  Speaker 8: what Labour says, that's what the statistics show. January of
• 20:51
  Speaker 8: this year alone net permanent and long term arrivals in
• 20:55
  Speaker 8: excess of fifty seven thousand, highest January figure on record.
• 20:59
  Speaker 8: That's say figure in the twelve months to January almost
• 21:03
  Speaker 8: half a million. Again, highest twelve month period are ever.
• 21:08
  Speaker 8: But the killer figure is what you just said, between
• 21:11
  Speaker 8: twenty twenty three and twenty twenty five. Again, Labor like
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: to deny this. The statistics don't lie. Population increase one
• 21:19
  Speaker 8: point five million, We know where that came from. But
• 21:22
  Speaker 8: the killer figure is five hundred and twenty seven thousand
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: homes completed. Blind Freddy can tell you, as a government
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: you bring too many people in and you don't build
• 21:36
  Speaker 8: the necessary houses, you lock Australians out of the house
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: and market. And Angus Taylor has been pretty clear they've
• 21:43
  Speaker 8: broken the system. We're going to fix the system, in
• 21:47
  Speaker 8: particular when it comes to that direct linkage of the
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: number of people coming in will be linked directly to
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: the number of houses built.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Well, to be fair to spreads.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: To be fair, we do on need one house permigrant
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: because people tend to come in families or couples.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: But yeah, three times.
• 22:05
  Speaker 9: You've got to have it.
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: He's out of contral and you've got to have that linkage.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: I just want to go to a criticism that's come
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: from Paul Keating, the former Labor Prime minister. This is
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: the sort of the criticism I highlighted yesterday and I
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: predicted the day before is it is so divisive and
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: it's so predictable. Keating says, the Liberal Party's battling an
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: extreme version of itself. One nation has again fallen back
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: to its default political policy of racism. He goes on
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: to say to hammer the point sitting beside Taylor at
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: his policy launched yesterday was mister racial opportunism himself, John
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Winston Howard Late of the anti Asian immigration back in
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty eighties, referring to comments there the picket fence
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: suburban racism of the first rounders of his first round
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: as Liberal leader, and the willful and anti humanitarianism of
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: his electorally driven Tampa atrocity of two thousand and one.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: When see this language is so unhinged.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: It almost doesn't bear sharing with the public except that
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: he is a former prime minister. I mean the Tampa
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: and atrocity where these people's lives were saved and they
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: were offered, of course passage two countries if they were refugees,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: and I would point out that the Pacific solution has
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: eventually been adopted by Labor.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: I mean they still run.
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: The irony does not escape Chris.
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: But Chris, what I'd also say on this is this
• 23:32
  Speaker 8: is typical of Paul Heating and Labor when they can't
• 23:35
  Speaker 8: defend their own record, they just held the insults. I mean,
• 23:39
  Speaker 8: people do not need a lecture from Paul Keating. They
• 23:43
  Speaker 8: are living Labour's failures on a daily basis when it
• 23:47
  Speaker 8: comes to the numbers being too high when it comes
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: to immigration and the standards being too low. They see
• 23:53
  Speaker 8: they lift the breakdown in social cohesion, they cannot get
• 23:56
  Speaker 8: into the housing market, et cetera.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: But this tape need to I need to wrap up. Sorry,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Michaelia Cash.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I'm just running out of time, and maybe for the
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: coalition's sake, Paul Keating ordered to buy.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Into the debate every day. Thanks thanks for joining us,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Mikaylia Cash. They're live from Perth.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: We do need to get to a breakdown because afterwards
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: we want to talk about what's happening in the Middle East,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: with peace talks between Israel and Lebanon and soon new
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: talks between the US and Iran.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Alexander Downer will join me.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: I'll cross to Alexander Downer in a moment, but first
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: it's less than a week now until the ceasefire with
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Iran expires. But White House Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt says
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: the administration feels good about reaching a deal.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Here's the latest from Fox News.
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: All vessels are buyers to immediately return to Fort Weaving
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: and just continue friends into Iran.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: If that is your next port of call, you have to.
• 24:51
  Speaker 10: Breach the lot Us naval vessels on patrol and the
• 24:54
  Speaker 10: Gulf of her Mind issuing a stern warning to ships
• 24:57
  Speaker 10: arriving and departing from ports in Iran as the U
• 25:00
  Speaker 10: ramps up its own pressure campaign on Tehran.
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: If the Iranians are going to try to engage in
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: economic terrorism, we're going to abide by a simple principle
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: that no Iranian ships are getting out either.
• 25:11
  Speaker 10: The White House is also looking into freezing Iranian leaders funding,
• 25:15
  Speaker 10: add potential secondary sanctions on countries that buy Iranian oil.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Let's bring in Australia's longest serving foreign minster, Alexander Downer,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: joining us live from Adelaide.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us again, Alexander.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Talk about sanctions and secondary sanctions against the Iranian leadership
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: and countries dealing with them.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: It feels like we're going back ten years.
• 25:39
  Speaker 11: Yes, well, there are of course already stringent sanctions on Iran,
• 25:44
  Speaker 11: but they've been the Iranians have been able to get
• 25:47
  Speaker 11: around those sanctions by trading with countries like Russia and
• 25:51
  Speaker 11: Japan and not China. Russia and China, and you've got
• 25:57
  Speaker 11: to understand these countries in a strategic sense, are all
• 26:02
  Speaker 11: linked to each other. Iran, Russia, China, North Korea, all
• 26:07
  Speaker 11: helping each other as they have an ambition to change
• 26:12
  Speaker 11: the global system and the way the global system works.
• 26:17
  Speaker 11: So where the Americans very recently have proved to be
• 26:21
  Speaker 11: extremely effective is blockading and in effect blockading the Iranian
• 26:27
  Speaker 11: ports in response to the Iranians closing the strait or
• 26:31
  Speaker 11: trying to close the straits of Hormus. This is a
• 26:34
  Speaker 11: very effective strategy and will do huge damage to the
• 26:39
  Speaker 11: Iranian economy and to the IRGC as well.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll take a bit of time for that damage
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: to flow through, of course, But in the meantime, Donald
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Trump and the White House are saying that fresh talks
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: with Iran imminent.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Here's Caroline Leavitt again.
• 26:56
  Speaker 12: We've remained very much engaged in these negotiations, in these talks.
• 27:00
  Speaker 12: You heard from the Vice President directly and the President
• 27:02
  Speaker 12: this week that these conversations are productive and ongoing, and
• 27:06
  Speaker 12: that's where we are right now, and it's obviously in
• 27:08
  Speaker 12: the best interest of Iran to meet the President's demands.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Would you expect to see talks before the ceasefire expires
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: in a week.
• 27:18
  Speaker 11: Yes, I would, and I think the is quite right.
• 27:21
  Speaker 11: I think that the talks will drag on. There will
• 27:24
  Speaker 11: be good days in bad days. This is what always
• 27:27
  Speaker 11: happens in Deploymacy. But in the end there will be
• 27:30
  Speaker 11: some sort of untidy settlement. Why because I actually don't
• 27:36
  Speaker 11: think the damage to the Iranian economy is long term.
• 27:40
  Speaker 11: I think it's very short term. And the IRGC, above
• 27:45
  Speaker 11: all makes a huge amount of money out of the
• 27:49
  Speaker 11: Iranian economy. This war has reduced or cost Iran's economy
• 27:56
  Speaker 11: and estimated forty percent of its GDP. The prediction is
• 28:01
  Speaker 11: that its GDP over the next year will decline by
• 28:04
  Speaker 11: six percent. So you're already talking about a country which
• 28:10
  Speaker 11: is hugely under economic stress and blocking off the Iranian
• 28:16
  Speaker 11: ports and therefore there one sort of revenue, which is oil,
• 28:20
  Speaker 11: oil and gas. Maybe that will have a devastating and
• 28:25
  Speaker 11: very short term effect on the economy. So all of
• 28:29
  Speaker 11: that leads me to conclude that the IRGC will in
• 28:33
  Speaker 11: the end be prepared to do some sort of a deal.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the big difference between the original talks and
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: this next round is that leverage over the blockade.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: On the straight, I want.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: To go to the other wall, which was really just
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: the other front of the same war. This is where
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Iran is fighting Israel through its proxy Hezbollah in southern
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Lebanon now direct talks between Israel and Lebanon. He has
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: been Judamanon in talks with Lebanon.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: There are two men objectives, dismantling of Hesbola and sustainable
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: peace that is achieved through strength.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Now, over recent decades, there's been serious efforts to disarm
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Hezbella in southern Israel, including under UN auspices.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Will it be achieved this time?
• 29:23
  Speaker 11: It's hard to be very optimistic. Although Iran's capability to
• 29:28
  Speaker 11: supply and support Hesbella is very limited now that has
• 29:34
  Speaker 11: been substantially reduced, so Hesbela's capacity is a fraction of
• 29:40
  Speaker 11: what it once was. The thing here is it's good
• 29:44
  Speaker 11: that Nettigna who is having talks with the Lebanese government,
• 29:48
  Speaker 11: But the Lebanese government isn't the problem. Zbala, which controls
• 29:53
  Speaker 11: the southern part of Lebanon south of the Latani River
• 29:57
  Speaker 11: between the Latani River and the Israeli border, are completely
• 30:02
  Speaker 11: out of control. I mean, the UN is supposed to
• 30:06
  Speaker 11: be patrolling that area and disarming Hesbelara has not succeeded
• 30:11
  Speaker 11: in doing so. Last year, the Lebanese Army said that
• 30:15
  Speaker 11: they would do the job. They haven't done the job.
• 30:19
  Speaker 11: Are not done it successfully. So sure the Israelis will
• 30:24
  Speaker 11: readily make an agreement with the Lebanese government, and it's
• 30:28
  Speaker 11: good to see them talking to each other. The issue
• 30:31
  Speaker 11: isn't the Lebanese government here, it's Hesbala, which is an
• 30:36
  Speaker 11: Iranian proxy that and this is completely lost in the
• 30:41
  Speaker 11: media commentary. Israel bombing Lebanon. No, they're bombing Hesbela targets
• 30:49
  Speaker 11: which happen to be in Lebanon, and Hesbelara is propped
• 30:53
  Speaker 11: up by the IRGC.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Has still been firing rockets in the Israel these civilian areas.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: You don't see that reported either. Thanks for joining us, Alexander.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Fantastic, fantastic to have his insights every week, Alexander down
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: of the country's longest serving foreign minister. We're going to
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: get to a break on the other side. I'm going
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: to ask a pretty straightforward question, when is a man
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: a woman or a woman a man a lesbian group?
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Is that a major victory in Salgrover joins me next.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Now there's been one of those rare victories for common
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: sense in the Federal court overturning a ruling by the
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Human Rights Commission. Wouldn't you know it which blocked the
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Lesbian Action Group from banning biological men, that is, transgender
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: women from attending their events. For reaction, let's go to
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Giggle founder Sal Grover, who were caught up with before.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: She's got her own case before the court after banning
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: a transgender woman from joining her women only social media app.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Asalah.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: I'll come to your ongoing fight in the moment, but
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: you must be pleased to see the common sense here.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: If if someone's a biological male, they can hardly join
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: a lesbian lesbians group just because they're attracted the women.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I guess what, most of us blokes are attracted to women.
• 32:09
  Speaker 13: I mean one hundred percent correct that a man who
• 32:13
  Speaker 13: is claiming to be a woman and a lesbian is
• 32:15
  Speaker 13: actually just a heterosexual man. So it's just sort of
• 32:17
  Speaker 13: a bad Monty Python joke that the Human Rights Commission
• 32:21
  Speaker 13: has been trying to put into law. It's important to
• 32:23
  Speaker 13: note that what happened with the Lesbian Action Group decision
• 32:26
  Speaker 13: yesterday is they haven't officially been granted permission to ban
• 32:31
  Speaker 13: men who claim to be lesbians from their events. What
• 32:34
  Speaker 13: the judge has said is that in their previous tribunal.
• 32:37
  Speaker 13: The tribunal judge didn't get the law right basically, and
• 32:42
  Speaker 13: the Australian Human Rights Commission is not considering the fact
• 32:45
  Speaker 13: that women and lesbians have rights. They're going such on
• 32:49
  Speaker 13: a one track mind with gender ideology and with men
• 32:52
  Speaker 13: who claimed to be women. And so this judge said,
• 32:55
  Speaker 13: go back, do the tribunal again, and this time you
• 32:58
  Speaker 13: actually have to consider that women lesbians also have human rights.
• 33:01
  Speaker 14: So it's an important.
• 33:03
  Speaker 13: Decision, not that it's not the decision we want to
• 33:06
  Speaker 13: sort of end this and or at the end of it,
• 33:08
  Speaker 13: but it's a decision on the way to get there.
• 33:10
  Speaker 13: And it's the first kind of win lank that we've
• 33:12
  Speaker 13: had in Australia.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Some of these battles get so complicated with the technical arguments,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: but I mean, essentially, you would be encouraged by the
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: fact that a lesbian group is allowed to make it
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: for women only to exclude biological men because you're fighting
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: a decision.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: That went the other way.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: You want to have your social media app to be
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: a women's only app, and you've been you've been basically
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: barred from having that decision.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: You're being forced.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: To allow a biological mail to join the app and
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: where's that at?
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Are you trying to have that overturned?
• 33:50
  Speaker 13: Yes, So I've been in court now with the Australian
• 33:53
  Speaker 13: Rights Commission for four and a half years, currently not online.
• 33:58
  Speaker 13: In the first round into the ridiculously named Tickle v. Giggle,
• 34:02
  Speaker 13: the judge agreed with the Australian Human Rights Commission. And
• 34:04
  Speaker 13: this really puts it into perspective what the Australian Human
• 34:07
  Speaker 13: Rights Commission has been trying to do, saying the sex
• 34:09
  Speaker 13: is changeable, that a man can just declare that he
• 34:11
  Speaker 13: is a woman and then the rest of us have
• 34:12
  Speaker 13: to accept that, and if we don't, we have behaved
• 34:16
  Speaker 13: in an unlawful manner and it's discrimination and we'd have
• 34:19
  Speaker 13: to pay money. And it's not just women like myself
• 34:22
  Speaker 13: or lesbians. It can be anyone.
• 34:23
  Speaker 15: It can happen to you.
• 34:24
  Speaker 13: In the workplace, it can happen to you just out
• 34:26
  Speaker 13: in society. And so that's why we're fighting so hard
• 34:29
  Speaker 13: to make sure that our legislation recognizes that while you're
• 34:34
  Speaker 13: sure you can protect these people who believe in this
• 34:37
  Speaker 13: absolutely nonsense ideology, you also have to protect people who don't.
• 34:41
  Speaker 13: And reality and the reality is is that there is
• 34:43
  Speaker 13: no man who is a woman. And women have always
• 34:46
  Speaker 13: been able to have women only spaces.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Women are waiting to have them. Women and girls changed it.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, women and girls deserve women and girls only spaces.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: It's so clear.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Cat and sporting teams and all the rest of it.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: That's common sense and all power to your arm soeund
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: thanks for joining us again, Sal Grover there, who's who's
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: fighting that battle?
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: As you heard, it's ongoing. Let's get into sport again.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: We catch up every week with sports broadcaster and writer
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Mark Robinson.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, MARKA.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: We'll get into some NRL and some soccer in a moment,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: but let's kick off on the Aussie rules and this
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Biffo for the umpiring. Such a nonsense controversy. Zach Butter's
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: fined for supposedly asking an umpire how much he's being paid,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: suggesting he's a cheat.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: We hear that from the stands every day.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: But it's not a wise thing for a player to say, Robbie.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: But the point is Zach Butter's sticks by his his guns,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: doesn't He says he didn't say it.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: What do you reckon?
• 35:45
  Speaker 14: It's a very peculiar, peculiar incident, isn't it. I mean,
• 35:51
  Speaker 14: I have trusting people, I have faith in people that
• 35:54
  Speaker 14: they tell the truth. And I've got no doubt that
• 35:57
  Speaker 14: Nick Foot, the umpire, he's telling he's truth. Honestly believe
• 36:01
  Speaker 14: that he's been storm throughout. But to listen and watch
• 36:06
  Speaker 14: Zack Butters and I interviewed Zack Butterers five years ago
• 36:10
  Speaker 14: as a young fellow and he had a lot of
• 36:12
  Speaker 14: integrity then and to listen to him speak, I feel
• 36:16
  Speaker 14: that he's telling his truth. But the fiasco is a
• 36:20
  Speaker 14: grat of fiasco in the sports world. But the AFL
• 36:24
  Speaker 14: tribunal took the word of Nick Foot over Zach Batters
• 36:28
  Speaker 14: and his teammate Ollie Wines because they had conflicting versions
• 36:33
  Speaker 14: of what was said. And in the end, from what
• 36:36
  Speaker 14: I read, that's what killed Zach Butters and that's why
• 36:40
  Speaker 14: he was found guilty.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really silly that there should have been a
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: way through this because Zach Butter says he asked, how
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: could you have paid that free kick?
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: And the uppire says he heard, you know how much
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: you paid?
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: So the key word is there either way, Let's have
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: a look at the incident on tape.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Shout fifty.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now, Robert, not not to cut across the fact
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: that this might they both might be quite genuine in
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: what they're saying. Don't you think the umpire has overreacted here?
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Don't the umpires have to take a bit in the
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: in the cap and thruster. Once you report something someone
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: for that issue, you're creating a storm no matter what happens.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you are.
• 37:35
  Speaker 14: But I asked you, and and I'll ask you, and
• 37:41
  Speaker 14: I haven't been in that situation of being an umpire
• 37:45
  Speaker 14: having their integrity question. And I listened to Ray Chamberlain
• 37:51
  Speaker 14: and he spoke about how hurting and how cutting that
• 37:55
  Speaker 14: is for umpires. He just he went through the normal processes.
• 38:02
  Speaker 14: So I don't think we can have a go at
• 38:04
  Speaker 14: nick Foot. And you know, the game is really professional,
• 38:08
  Speaker 14: I thought, I thought, until we got to the bloody
• 38:11
  Speaker 14: tribunal and one of the.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Tribes men car he can't that.
• 38:22
  Speaker 14: Is in blockably fill aple and local bloody funeral. This
• 38:29
  Speaker 14: is space to be professional. The NFL wants professionalism, but
• 38:33
  Speaker 14: through a series of unforeseen circumstances, it wasn't professional.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: No, it wasn't. I want to rip through a couple
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: of other issues.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Now, the NRL coach of the Dragons, Shane Flannagan. Then
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: no wins after six games, a lot of pressure on him.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Let's have a listen.
• 38:50
  Speaker 16: I don't want to hide in the coach's box. I'm
• 38:53
  Speaker 16: here to fight, here to win. I'm on the sideline
• 38:58
  Speaker 16: with the team point and hard as I can, So
• 39:00
  Speaker 16: I wouldn't want to hide in the coach's box and
• 39:02
  Speaker 16: have camera's going up there. They can get me as
• 39:04
  Speaker 16: much as they could have got me finding minutes if
• 39:05
  Speaker 16: they wanted.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the vultures are circling.
• 39:09
  Speaker 13: Yeah they are.
• 39:10
  Speaker 14: And I mean do a little bit of reading on
• 39:13
  Speaker 14: this one as well. You know, he said there's not
• 39:15
  Speaker 14: a lot of the reserve grade players coming through, and
• 39:19
  Speaker 14: a few of them are left, and there's been reports
• 39:21
  Speaker 14: that a few others are considering leaving. When a coach
• 39:25
  Speaker 14: sort of divides the locker room like that, that causes
• 39:28
  Speaker 14: tension because as much as they're playing reserve grade and
• 39:31
  Speaker 14: senior grade, they're all friends. They know each other, and
• 39:34
  Speaker 14: it doesn't take long for players to get a upset
• 39:39
  Speaker 14: and then suddenly intent at what the senior coach has done. Now,
• 39:43
  Speaker 14: I'm not saying that the whole majority of the senior
• 39:45
  Speaker 14: group has turned on Shane Funning. But at Zip six
• 39:50
  Speaker 14: on the bottom of the ladder. The pressure becomes so
• 39:54
  Speaker 14: intense in rugby league as it does in the AFL.
• 39:58
  Speaker 14: The pressure becomes so in tenth that the club will
• 40:02
  Speaker 14: call him the senior players and so right, have we
• 40:05
  Speaker 14: got an issue, Robbo.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Were right out of time.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: I just want to show quickly this goal that the
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Matilda's scored in.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Kenya overnight in Roby.
• 40:15
  Speaker 17: Have a look, Sam from the right, a bending cross,
• 40:19
  Speaker 17: well shaped and it's in for a golfer Caitlin Ford.
• 40:27
  Speaker 17: Confusion for the Matildas it looks like it's being chalked off.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Clearly a goal, Clearly a mistake. That's why they have
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: the net there.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: But anyway, there you go, they won. Anyway, great to
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: talk to you, Robbie. Will catch up with you next week.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: We're going to rush off to a break now. On
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: the other side, I had the National Cabinet with Tim
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: and Mark. They always make sense of the craziness around us.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: I like to call this section the National Cabinet. Were
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: joined every Thursday by Mark from step Mate Studios and
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: also Tim Blair of course from the Daily Telegraph. Gentlemen,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: if this was a national cabinet we were getting a
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: presentation from Chris Bowen today, given that one of the
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: only two remaining refineries in this country has gone up
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: in flames during a fuel crisis, as we saw today,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: what he would tell us was, this is not a
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: positive development.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: He's a genius, isn't he mark? Honestly?
• 41:27
  Speaker 15: But what I heard him say not a positive development.
• 41:29
  Speaker 15: I thought it was a gaff. I thought it was
• 41:31
  Speaker 15: a gaff. I heard it and went ooh, that's not
• 41:33
  Speaker 15: going to be good. No one's going to be cleaning that.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: One up all day.
• 41:37
  Speaker 15: He's run with it several times since all day. He's
• 41:40
  Speaker 15: just kept saying it like he thinks it's brilliant and
• 41:42
  Speaker 15: it is the right thing to say.
• 41:44
  Speaker 9: This is the person.
• 41:45
  Speaker 15: This is the lunatic that we've got running. Could you
• 41:47
  Speaker 15: imagine being that delusional every day to be an objective
• 41:50
  Speaker 15: failure and saying all the wrong things and being completely
• 41:53
  Speaker 15: out of your depth, but still being able to just
• 41:55
  Speaker 15: continue on getting a good eight hour of sleep every
• 41:58
  Speaker 15: single night. It's bizarre, you imagine.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know how he gets away with it.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I'm starting to see tim that Moore in the media
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: are picking up on this. I'm certainly getting from the public.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: I get so much feedback about Chris Bowen. But the
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: idea this week that Bowen actually said he doesn't know
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: any country that's looking.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: For more fossil fills.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: At the very moment his own prime minister is running
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: around the neighborhood looking for fossil fills.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: There's two things, you know, as Mark points out the
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: line about you know, it's not ideal to have one
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: one entire refinery being being compromised. If that's the case,
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: what do you call shutting down seven of them? And
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: then when he says, you know, during this fuel crisis,
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: he hasn't heard anyone saying what we need is more
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: fossil fuel. Why is it called a fuel crisis. It's
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: kind of these these kind of obvious things he's flying
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: over his head left, right, and center at the moment,
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: mainly left.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: The other one, the other comment that I've been harping
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: on about for days, is the fact that he said
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: that with renewable energy, there are no choke points, that
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: the sun comes.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Here for free or whatever.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: He completely ignores that will get all the wind turbines,
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: the solar panels, the batteries and the cars from China
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: and had a look at this from Yonni Basham in
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: the Australian where he went to China and visited a
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Tesla factory.
• 43:20
  Speaker 18: Now Tesla says this gigafactory has an annual production capacity
• 43:24
  Speaker 18: of nine hundred and fifty thousand vehicles, which means one
• 43:27
  Speaker 18: Tesla rolls off the line every forty seconds. In one section,
• 43:30
  Speaker 18: I saw twelve robots working in unison on one element
• 43:33
  Speaker 18: of the car. Already in that section there were five
• 43:35
  Speaker 18: hundred robots at work and fewer than two hundred actual.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Workers staggering staff. Tim. We like to say there are
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: no winners in this renewable energy transition. There are.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Actually there are a lot of winners from Labour's policies
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: there in China.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, although you know you'd much rather evs have a
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: huge component of robot manufacturers than Congolese children, for example.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Or other sleigh making the batteries exactly, so you.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: Know that's good.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: It's a massive industry video. Just just to get back
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: to the bones. Hilarious line about the sun and wind
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: being free, so is oil. The expensive part is turning
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: it into energy. The same as son and the same
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: as we come and get some oil to say, dig
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: it up, man, cool full go.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: I want to go back to an old favorite because
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: he's bobbed up this week Mark Joe. Biden is getting
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: around the place and well, we know he's not the
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: sharpest tool in the shed. But I tell you what,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: there was something very icky about this moment.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Let's have a look.
• 44:39
  Speaker 14: I always want to turn around one guy and say, Brock,
• 44:42
  Speaker 14: what are you doing.
• 44:45
  Speaker 15: Here?
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Come here? Come here?
• 44:53
  Speaker 15: I feel like he should be standing right and I
• 44:55
  Speaker 15: should be standing on left.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: You can't just look at Brock.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Mark, this is extraordinary. What every black man in a
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: suit looks like? Barack Obama?
• 45:09
  Speaker 15: Yeah, ye, honestly, there's nothing more exciting is when you
• 45:12
  Speaker 15: let Bowing off the bench and when you let Biden
• 45:15
  Speaker 15: out the basement. My two favorite beings, because all you know,
• 45:18
  Speaker 15: some bad news is going to happen. And he did
• 45:21
  Speaker 15: not fail us once again, Old races Joe. Thank god
• 45:25
  Speaker 15: Jill let him out of the basement. I swear to
• 45:27
  Speaker 15: old racist Joe every time he comes out and says
• 45:28
  Speaker 15: Something's the same guy that when he first referred to
• 45:31
  Speaker 15: Barack Obama, he said he's the first African American to
• 45:34
  Speaker 15: be bright and articulate and clean.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: It's good to know that.
• 45:38
  Speaker 15: He still hasn't lost touch with his old races self,
• 45:42
  Speaker 15: hasn't lost bowing off the bench, Biden out of the basement.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Have I got a treat for you guys? Because Tim,
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: look who's turned up on Master Chef.
• 45:52
  Speaker 19: We've had Master Chef Royalty in the kitchen before, but
• 45:56
  Speaker 19: no one like this, all the way from sunny California.
• 46:00
  Speaker 19: Please welcome to Master Sheff Australia, the Duchess of Sussex
• 46:07
  Speaker 19: for Megan.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Don't touch that doll.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Can't wait for this one, Tim, they're Duchess sing the
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Duchess of Sussex.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: Well, isn't she like a former Duchess of Susage? It
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: isn't there a bit of a clue in that they
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: were working with her from California instead of from the
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: United Kingdom. You know she is all from all the
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: way from la where she grew up. You know it's
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: not a big also, you know she's just an actress
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: who married a bloke. Like she's not there because she's
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: she's from this great lineage of royalty. If you even
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: think that is great she's she's there, but not because
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: she was on you know suits, or because she was
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: in various you know movies that no one remembers. She
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: just married.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: She married a bloke.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: Let's get her on, Let's get her on a cooking shows.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: She followed that line alone.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: She's married a bloke and now she's been in the
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: leading right hold in the long running soap opera for
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: quite a while. It's one of the best gigs she's got.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: And why have her on a cooking show? Well, I'll
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: tell you why you'd have her on a cooking show,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: because she's a master chef.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this.
• 47:13
  Speaker 20: I've always loved taking something pretty ordinary and elevating it,
• 47:18
  Speaker 20: surprising people with moments that let them know I was
• 47:21
  Speaker 20: really thinking of them.
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: What this is probably one of the most glamorous moments
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: of my life.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: It's mad. That's why you get her on for a
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: packet cake?
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: I love that about order to read the magic. Yeah,
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: that's that's exactly exactly.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: It's a live story.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: She repacketed pretzels peed up on a present. She took
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: them out of her packet.
• 47:48
  Speaker 15: And put them in another packet. That's genuinely what she did.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: On that show. I watched every episode. I was fascinated.
• 47:53
  Speaker 15: I can't stop watching this narcissistant work.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Well, I love it.
• 47:56
  Speaker 15: I didn't even watch Master Chef. I'm going to be
• 47:57
  Speaker 15: tuning in the jal Ten's got me back.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: The best thing about this trip, because I think they've
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: ever been whinging about the media again today is we've
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: seen the whole trip before on South Park.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Have a look way, what that way?
• 48:16
  Speaker 17: What way?
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: They're still demanding privacy to.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: I keep saying, go to Wilkennya, go to bir go
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: to an Ingen, send them a new life. After six
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: months no media at all, they'll all give up and
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: you'll have to have the privacy you love.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, head to the outback, could be, could be on
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: the agenda, mark.
• 48:37
  Speaker 15: Right, Iregon, send him everywhere and send them all around.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: So no one's really coming out to see him.
• 48:41
  Speaker 15: To be honest, they're down here, down here in Melbourne.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: No one's going to see them. No one cares.
• 48:46
  Speaker 15: They've got what they wanted.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: They wanted a privacy. They're pretty much getting it. No one.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: They're getting privacy despite all their attempts. Thanks for joining us, gentlemen.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: With you next week, I better get off the air
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: now and hand over to Peter Kredlin. I'll see you
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: next week.