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Former GOP Minority Leader Richard Holdoff · Richard Randall Show

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Speaker 1: All right, we should be hearing from Richard holdor if
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Speaker 1: you're in a couple of minutes waiting for his call
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Speaker 1: to come in, and then we'll be talking. He's the
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Speaker 1: vice chair, just stepped down from the color of the GOP.
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Speaker 1: Britta Horn, on the other hand, we'll be talking to
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Speaker 1: us about nine thirty five. She's on another interview right now.
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Speaker 1: And I don't have a dog in this fight. I
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Speaker 1: told both of them, you know what, I just want
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Speaker 1: to win elections here in Colorado. I want the Republican
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Speaker 1: Party to be strong. I don't know the ins and
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Speaker 1: outs of all of us at whatsoever, but I want
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Speaker 1: to give both of them an opportunity to explain what
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Speaker 1: the problem is. Richard's saying the problem is Britta, and
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Speaker 1: I told her, Britta, I'm gonna have to ask you.
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Speaker 1: You know, we had two people step down. So is
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Speaker 1: the problem them or you or something else? We'll be
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Speaker 1: talking about that. David gave me this a Liberty bell
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Speaker 1: last ring on February twenty third, eighteen forty six, and
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Speaker 1: had that pre existing crack expanded significantly. It made the
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Speaker 1: bear bell irreparable and silent. They have apparently kind of
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Speaker 1: tinged it a couple of times. From time to time.
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Speaker 1: We're talking with Sheriff Michael about ice and incoporation between
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Speaker 1: them and Sheriff's law enforcement, et cetera. A new poll
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Speaker 1: finding that public support for Trump administration's immigration policies is eroding.
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Speaker 1: I got some thoughts on that, butt Fox's Tanya Powers
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Speaker 1: has got more on that as well.
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Speaker 2: The new Quinnipiac poll found that roughly six and ten
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Speaker 2: voters say they don't think the Trump administration has given
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Speaker 2: an honest account of last month's deadly shooting of Alex
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Speaker 2: Pretty by a federal agent in Minneapolis, compared to twenty
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Speaker 2: five percent who say it has. Eight and ten said
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Speaker 2: there should be an independent investigation of Pretty's shooting, which
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Speaker 2: was caught on video showing a cell phone in his
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Speaker 2: hand before he is pepper sprayed by ice agents and
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Speaker 2: pushed to the ground before being shot several times. Six
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Speaker 2: and ten voters surveyed sat the Trump administration is being
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Speaker 2: quote too harsh in its treatment of migrants who were
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Speaker 2: in the US without legal status, and fifty eight percent
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Speaker 2: say Homeland Security Secretary Christy Nome should be removed from
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Speaker 2: her job. Tanya Jay Powers, Fox News, all Right.
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Speaker 1: I can tell you that some of the eroding a
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Speaker 1: little bit does not surprise me because I've talked with people,
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Speaker 1: obviously liberals and Democrats, and you know, Trump deranged folks
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Speaker 1: are going to have an opinion. But I have talked
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Speaker 1: to some good, decent people who said, you know, this
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Speaker 1: doesn't feel right. It's not what I thought I voted for,
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Speaker 1: and they're not getting the people I thought, Well, they
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Speaker 1: aren't getting the people you wanted, that is the horrible
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Speaker 1: people as well. Apparently you were right and I was
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Speaker 1: wrong with some of these folks that you know, they
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Speaker 1: were picking up what I would call low hanging fruit,
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Speaker 1: and that is somebody who is a criminal because they
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Speaker 1: were in the country illegally, but they haven't committed a
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Speaker 1: violent crime or anything like that. As for this poll,
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Speaker 1: I can tell you that I think if people listened
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Speaker 1: to what Tom Homan had to say yesterday, they would
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Speaker 1: understand that the Trump administration border patrol, ice, homeland security,
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Speaker 1: they are pivoting it a little bit.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 1: You can argue whether at the very beginning they should
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Speaker 1: have had this policy or this equipment cameras in particular.
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Speaker 1: You make those arguments if you'd like to, but it
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Speaker 1: is what it is, and honestly, I want an administration
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Speaker 1: that if they could do it better than they were before,
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Speaker 1: that that's what they do.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 1: I know people out there going to say, well, no, no,
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Speaker 1: hold on, Richard, we need Trump to be accountable. He
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Speaker 1: needs to stand up there and apologize for this. And
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Speaker 1: actually we saw somebody who was interviewing JD. Vance the
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Speaker 1: other day and he was asked if he had apologized
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Speaker 1: if you know an investigation showed wrongdoing in the death
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Speaker 1: of Alex Perdy. You know what Vance's answer is, and
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Speaker 1: this is your go to answer, and that is I
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Speaker 1: don't answer hypothetical questions. He could have gone on with
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Speaker 1: that and just said, you know what, come back to
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Speaker 1: me after there's an investigation, we've got a little bit
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Speaker 1: more knowledge of it. But I'm not going to answer
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Speaker 1: hypothetical questions. They want the whole big gotcha thing and all,
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Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna do it either. I'm not sorry
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Speaker 1: that we do this and this and this. Look, this
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Speaker 1: would have been a better policy if we started. And
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Speaker 1: I've said I actually I've said that before, so I
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Speaker 1: have not lost faith on the President or in Christino,
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Speaker 1: Tom Home Border Patrol, Ice, Homeland security, none of it,
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Speaker 1: none of it, none of it, none of it. Now,
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Speaker 1: Richard Holdorf was supposed to be with us here, but
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Speaker 1: it turns out he is not able to do it.
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Speaker 1: So he's got a statement, and it says, wait, Bretta
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Speaker 1: Horn says that she's not gonna be able to make it. David,
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Speaker 1: let's do this because if you can call Richard, that's
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Speaker 1: his number.
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Speaker 4: There.
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Speaker 1: Bretta issued a statement she was going to join us
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Speaker 1: a little bit later on. And of course everybody wants
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Speaker 1: to talk to all of these people, and some people
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Speaker 1: are gonna have an attitude this way or that way.
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Speaker 1: I don't. And if you're saying, but wait, how does
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Speaker 1: it all shake out with regard to you know, people
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Speaker 1: like Dave Williams and Vicky Tonkins and all of the rest.
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Speaker 1: You know, at a certain point, I should have created
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Speaker 1: a dance card like they did, you know, at Cotillion
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Speaker 1: in the old days or something. Because wait, so Holddorf
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Speaker 1: I think he was a friend of Waite, but Williams
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Speaker 1: wanted somebody else out there to run in that district
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Speaker 1: that Greg Lopez ended up representing for a while. Or wait, wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: and it was Bobert was gonna come over and Williams
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Speaker 1: said she was a carpetbagger. All of it. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: but I can tell you this. I've heard good things
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Speaker 1: about Richard Holdorf, and I've heard good things as well.
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Speaker 1: When Britta Horn took the ropes there and started, I
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Speaker 1: heard good things about her as well. Like I said,
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Speaker 1: I don't know a dog in this fight, Richard, Welcome aboard.
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Speaker 1: I just want to win elections in Colorado. I think
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Speaker 1: it's very big news because if this was just the
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Speaker 1: first person who had stepped down, that'd be one thing.
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Speaker 1: But you're not the first vice chair to take a
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Speaker 1: pass on this. Give our listeners and some of the
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Speaker 1: people that you've been representing, of course out there as
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Speaker 1: an elected official, but here as a vice chair, give
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Speaker 1: them an update and while you're doing what you're doing.
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Speaker 1: Welcome aboard, Richard.
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Speaker 5: Well, Richard, thanks for inviting me. And I want you
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Speaker 5: to know that I'm a straight shooter, and I don't
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Speaker 5: mix words, and I don't try to tiptoe around issues
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Speaker 5: and subjects.
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Speaker 3: I never have and I never will. And and I've
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Speaker 3: been very devoted to Colorado and Colorado Republicans and serving
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Speaker 3: Eastern Colorado and our rural way of life which is
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Speaker 3: getting attacked and eroded every year under the current administration.
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Speaker 3: Now you want to talk about my decision to depart
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Speaker 3: the state Party, and I want to win.
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Speaker 5: I want Republicans to win. I want us to be
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Speaker 5: a winning team.
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Speaker 3: But my friend, we cannot be a winning team if
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Speaker 3: we continue to be disunified and divided. We cannot win
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Speaker 3: if we don't try to build a Republican brand that
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Speaker 3: all of Colorado accepts and embraces. We cannot win if
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Speaker 3: we do not understand the shifting sands of the Colorado demographic,
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Speaker 3: which is now a hugely unaffiliated state that is sick
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Speaker 3: of both Democrat and radical left policy and sick of
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Speaker 3: far right, radical super turbocharged MAGA sensationalism in Colorado.
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Speaker 5: Colorado did not what Trump didn't win Colorado. And I
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Speaker 5: try to tell people, if we're going to win in Colorado,
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Speaker 5: we have to reach out to the unaffiliated.
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Speaker 3: I worked very hard with an outreach program and try
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Speaker 3: to develop strategic plans.
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Speaker 5: To address that matter. As the vice chair, I worked
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Speaker 5: on several initiatives.
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Speaker 3: I worked on implementing artificial intelligence in campaign strategies for
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Speaker 3: both candidates and the state Party.
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Speaker 5: For four months I worked on this initiative.
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Speaker 3: I worked on guiding and trying to give wise counsel
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Speaker 3: to our chairwoman, Bretta Horne.
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Speaker 5: I don't list dislike Britta.
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Speaker 3: Britta does not make the best decisions, and she listens
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Speaker 3: to lawyers way too much than her leadership team, full stop.
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Speaker 3: And if you don't believe me, look at the legal
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Speaker 3: fees in the latest FEC reporting. I ran an initiative
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Speaker 3: to unify, to build bridges, to mend fenses. I had
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Speaker 3: created an opportunity for all of the factions to get
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Speaker 3: together in a round table.
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Speaker 5: No lawyers invited. Stay home, we don't.
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Speaker 3: Need your seven eight hundred dollars an hour feet and
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Speaker 3: we'll figure this out as good Republicans without lawyers involved,
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Speaker 3: and we will find a pathway forward.
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Speaker 5: My friend, I was unable to do that.
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Speaker 3: And I've had a lot of leadership opportunities, both in
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Speaker 3: the military and politics, and I've succeeded in many of them.
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Speaker 3: But I am unable to succeed in this capacity. And
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Speaker 3: I am doing nothing but beating my head against a
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Speaker 3: brick wall, and I get a headache and I'm just
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Speaker 3: over it.
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Speaker 1: I'm over it, my friend, Richard, I have.
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna have to find someone else to do this
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Speaker 5: because I can't do it working with Britta.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love straight shooters. That's one of the things
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Speaker 1: that Trump appeals to me about. And what you see
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Speaker 1: is what you get, so that you know, I had
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Speaker 1: tried to arrange after I had you booked here to
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Speaker 1: see if I could get Britta's take on that. Originally
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Speaker 1: she said she was going to and then she said, actually,
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Speaker 1: he's got something else. She just issued a statement. Here's
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Speaker 1: what it says. I accepted mister Holdor's resignation. We recognize
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Speaker 1: that the skill set's required for volunteer political work differs
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Speaker 1: significantly from those in the election government sector, in that
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Speaker 1: this position was not the right fit. We wish him
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Speaker 1: the best of luck. Is it a matter of not
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Speaker 1: the right fit or is it it sounds like it's
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Speaker 1: a lot bigger than that.
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Speaker 3: Well, it's her perception. She has different plans and ideas.
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Speaker 3: She's following the drumbeat of a different drummer or drummers.
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Speaker 5: You know. I got my master's degree, my second.
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Speaker 4: Master's degree in strategic studies from the United States Army
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Speaker 4: Waar College after a long military career, and I thought
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Speaker 4: that if I could and get people to listen to
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Speaker 4: a strategic vision that followed some military parallels, looking at strategic, operational,
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Speaker 4: and tactical levels, and work towards addressing the ma that
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Speaker 4: make Coloradoan's win, that the top leadership would listen and
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Speaker 4: we could find a.
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Speaker 3: Chart and pathway forward. I wanted us to build a
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Speaker 3: robust strategic plan. I want us to work and liaison
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Speaker 3: with our legislative officials so we can help them win
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Speaker 3: both in the state Senate and the State House. With
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Speaker 3: the state wide election running, we.
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Speaker 5: Want it also help those candidates.
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Speaker 1: We have been very on.
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Speaker 5: We have not raised money.
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Speaker 3: Because we have too many legal obligations, and nobody wants
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Speaker 3: to just give money to lawyers.
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Speaker 5: I don't.
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Speaker 3: I don't want to just give money to the state
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Speaker 3: Party and watch it turn right around and go into
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Speaker 3: Steve Flander's pocket, or any other lawyer for that matter.
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Speaker 3: I'm not interested in that. I want to help Republicans win.
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Speaker 3: The Republicans have to win when Republican candidates have the
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Speaker 3: resources to run robust campaigns, and we're not going to
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Speaker 3: be able to do that.
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Speaker 5: Britta say what she wants, but I am.
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Speaker 3: A perfect fit for a strategic operation in this state
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Speaker 3: politically if people want to listen.
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Speaker 5: And follow some basic tenants. But people don't, and I
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Speaker 5: don't need to mention those names.
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Speaker 1: You know, the phone service is getting a little bit
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Speaker 1: sketchy here. Hopefully we can get you for this. Otherwise
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Speaker 1: we'll have you back another time to talk about this,
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Speaker 1: because this is not the last time it'll be on
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Speaker 1: the show. You're not gonna be surprised to know that
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Speaker 1: I got thousands and thousands of Republicans, but they come
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Speaker 1: in all kinds. I absolutely Dick Wadhams never Trumper's over here.
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Speaker 1: You have some Trump arranged Republicans here, you have some
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Speaker 1: more unaffiliated folks here. You have the Dave Williams camp
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Speaker 1: over here, the Vicky Tonkins camp over here. Horn. I mean,
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Speaker 1: they're all these different very I don't I gotta tell
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Speaker 1: you you're better man than me, because I don't even
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Speaker 1: know where i'd begin to try to bring all of
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Speaker 1: that together, to get people to work on campaigns, to
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Speaker 1: write checks. I don't know how the hell we're gonna
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Speaker 1: win statewide elections unless we've got big money. Everybody complained
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Speaker 1: about the amount of money that Crank needed to win.
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Speaker 1: But that's what you have to do in Colorado, especially
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Speaker 1: we're not a red state anymore. But Richard Holder, before
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Speaker 1: I let you go, what would you say to all
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Speaker 1: of those various Vicky Tonkins types, save Williams types, never
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Speaker 1: Trump types, and all of the folks in between, what
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Speaker 1: advice would you have for them?
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Speaker 3: The advice I would give to everybody in our loves
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Speaker 3: Republican family is we have to sit around the table
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Speaker 3: or sit around the tent, smoke the.
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Speaker 5: Piece pipe, and we have to figure out.
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Speaker 3: How we can get along in the short term in
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Speaker 3: the election cycles, and how we can work together and
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Speaker 3: super elevate Republican candidates. We also have to talk realistically
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Speaker 3: about a platform that's a winning platform. The far right,
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Speaker 3: the El Paso County evangelical rights, that message doesn't win
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Speaker 3: in about over sixty percent of the counties in Colorado,
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Speaker 3: particularly the ones that matter in the front range. We
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Speaker 3: have to understand that we have to have some tolerance,
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Speaker 3: some acceptance, and we have to give some grace to
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Speaker 3: the differences so we can come together and find what
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Speaker 3: brings us together and what the commonalities we have, and
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Speaker 3: let's build out for those, and then let's appeal to
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Speaker 3: the Colorado electric which you're unaffiliated and more Democrats than Republicans.
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Speaker 3: The far right Republican base does not win Colorado elections
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Speaker 3: for Republican period, full stop, except in a very few
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Speaker 3: counties out in eastern Colorado that I represent that are
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Speaker 3: still Republican and red. But the ones that matter are not.
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Speaker 3: And we have to listen and we have to work
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Speaker 3: together and stop infighting. Nobody wants to give money to
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Speaker 3: a dysfunctional family. I'm sorry, but I have left the house.
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Speaker 3: I'm not in gonna set in his house anymore and
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Speaker 3: do this. I'm gonna do something else where I can
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Speaker 3: find my services and I can serve the Colorado citizenry
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Speaker 3: and Republican Party better. And that's in my home county.
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna run for county commissioner in my home county
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Speaker 3: at the grassroots level. But we have to get this together.
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Speaker 3: And I have talked myself Blue, I have stayed up late,
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Speaker 3: thousands of hours.
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Speaker 5: I've invested in this, and I've gotten.
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Speaker 3: I haven't even gotten past the thirty yard.
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Speaker 5: Line on the football field, and that's on my in
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Speaker 5: the field.
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Speaker 3: Well, and if we can't get in the red zone
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Speaker 3: with what I'm preaching, we are not going to be
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Speaker 3: successful and we will continue to be run by Democrats period.
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Speaker 1: Richard, I'm gonna let you go. I've got to take
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Speaker 1: a break here, but I want you to know something,
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Speaker 1: because I know there's gonna be some people out there
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Speaker 1: that are listening to you and they're angered. They want
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Speaker 1: We don't need to be appealing to anybody. If we
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Speaker 1: just get the right Republicans who stand by this and
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Speaker 1: this and this, we're gonna be fine. And I've said
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Speaker 1: electability is my main thing. It doesn't there're candidates out there.
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Speaker 1: I guarantee you, Richard, I could find a candidate who
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Speaker 1: I agreed with on each and everything, but I would
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Speaker 1: also tell you that that candidate could never win in Colorado.
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Speaker 1: And it does you no good to be on the
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Speaker 1: outside looking in. So do you have to, you know,
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Speaker 1: chill a little bit about this and this, and then
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Speaker 1: get people up in the legislature and some of the
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Speaker 1: statewide positions, and now you can start doing your thing
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Speaker 1: convincing people that we need more law and order and
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Speaker 1: all of the rest. That's how I look at it.
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Speaker 1: So I think we may be very close to being
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Speaker 1: on the same page.
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Speaker 4: Here.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for what you did in
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Speaker 1: the time that you were there. I'm running way behind it.
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Speaker 1: If you've got a final thought, I'll take it.
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Speaker 5: Richard.
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Speaker 3: I want to tell people to listen to you, because
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Speaker 3: I've sat in those seats. I've been in the minority.
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Speaker 3: I've been on the front lines getting the hell beat
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Speaker 3: out of us by progressive left, radical communist socialist Democrats
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Speaker 3: because we're out numbered. If we don't have the seats,
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Speaker 3: if you don't have the majority and the levers of power,
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Speaker 3: you are wallpaper Colorado, and you're gonna get walked all over.
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Speaker 3: And you can spend all the economic, political, and energy
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Speaker 3: capital you have, and you can preach, and you can
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Speaker 3: beat your chest and you can ravel rouse all you want,
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Speaker 3: but when it comes down to brass tacks, if you're
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Speaker 3: not in the seats, casting the votes, and winning those votes,
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Speaker 3: you lose Colorado.
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Speaker 5: I don't want Republicans to be losers.
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Speaker 3: One of the reasons I'm stecking them away is because
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Speaker 3: I'm getting so frustrated and so unhappy with our direction
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Speaker 3: and the lack of strategic vision to see this just
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Speaker 3: like you see it within our leaders.
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Speaker 5: In the Republican Party that I'm just at.
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Speaker 3: Within, at within, So everybody needs to pick up this mantra.
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Speaker 3: We need to move forward and say enough's enough, enough's enough.
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Speaker 3: Let's go win by being winners and working together. And
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Speaker 3: thank you for your time, and I appreciate the opportunity
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Speaker 3: to be with you.
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Speaker 5: All things aside, we've all made mistakes in our lives.
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Speaker 5: We learn from them.
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Speaker 3: But by God, if we can't learn and go in
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Speaker 3: a positive direction, then we will be failures forever.
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Speaker 1: God bless you, Richard, Thank you for joining us here today.
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Speaker 1: Let's take a break. I will just say he's not
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Speaker 1: like a friend or anything. He's been on a show
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Speaker 1: several times. Britta has as well, Dave Williams has I
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Speaker 1: mean all of the day, Watum, I mean, Dick Wadhams
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Speaker 1: as well. I've had all kinds of Republicans here, and
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Speaker 1: what I told him in terms of I don't know
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Speaker 1: how I would even try to begin to do all
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Speaker 1: of this. Did you just say, by guns, be bygones,
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Speaker 1: everybody forget about what happened in the past. Well, you
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Speaker 1: know that means that we were left with some financial
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Speaker 1: trouble and we need to live. I mean, that's why
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Speaker 1: I couldn't. That's why I couldn't do your thoughts on
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Speaker 1: this though, I'll take them seven one, nine, seven five,
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Speaker 1: there were seven four zero. We'll take a short break.
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Speaker 1: When we come back, we're gonna talk a little bit
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Speaker 1: more about prayer. I'll give you Britta Horne's statement again
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Speaker 1: because she had to cancel the interview. And then we're
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Speaker 1: gonna talk a little bit about Billie Eilish. Remember she
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Speaker 1: was at the Grammys, and she's young singer and everything,
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Speaker 1: very very popular. She bought like a two million, three
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Speaker 1: million dollar ranch when she was seventeen, that's how popular
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Speaker 1: she was. But of course she's at the Grammys and
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Speaker 1: it's f ice and then it's we're all on stolen land.
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Speaker 1: Get ready to smile because that we're all on stolen
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Speaker 1: I've heard that so many damn times. I heard that
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Speaker 1: graduations up there at CSU. It angered me the very beginning.
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Speaker 1: Before we have the graduation, we should acknowledge that we
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Speaker 1: are on land from and they named some Native American truck.
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Speaker 1: They don't know what the hell they're talking about. I mean,
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Speaker 1: if you were to talk about color springs and I'll
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Speaker 1: pass the count, you understand, you'd have to go through
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Speaker 1: like ten different Native American tribes who fought each other
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Speaker 1: and had this territory for a while, in that territory.
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Speaker 3: For a while.
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Speaker 1: Now, what are you gonna do. You're gonna give it
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Speaker 1: to the one who had it last before the white man,
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Speaker 1: or the one who had it originally before another Native
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Speaker 1: American group took them over. But Billie Eilish is now
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Speaker 1: getting sued or going to be sued by the Native
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Speaker 1: Americans who say, yeah, her mansion is on our land.
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Speaker 1: And guess what our attorney said, Shardy admitted it's stolen land.
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Speaker 1: I told you to get ready to smile, all right,
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Speaker 1: short break back after this