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#5 - Gettin to know Us!! · The Chris and Mike Show

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The. I like it.
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I like. It that's our that's our new
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little ditty. Welcome to episode 5 Ladies and
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Gentlemen Episode. Five episode you should make
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that our intro music. All that was what I was asking
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if you. Don't.
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I dig it. I do.
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I dig it. I dig it, man.
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I dig the fuck out of it, Mike. All right.
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Well. There you go ladies and
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gentlemen, I just composed our new theme song in about 10
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minutes on Sunday afternoon. So I'm learning to run the
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garage band. I watched a YouTube video on how
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to pick a drum beat and a bass line and I pulled it off.
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So that was all of that together.
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Yeah. Dude, that's that's outstanding,
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man. Yeah, that was 22 independent
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guitar parts and. It does.
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It has kind of a it's cool, but it does it has a what did it
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mean to you on it has a cult vibe to it, which I love the
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cult. The Cult's a great band, that's.
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01 of my favorites, man. Absolutely.
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One of my favorites. Recognition.
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They they They deserve. You're hearing me.
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Fine, right? Because my screen doesn't light
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up all the time when I talk. You got to not pay attention to
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that. So I'm going to out myself and I
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actually did some practicing on the podcast here by myself and
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you really got to not pay attention to that.
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What he's referring to, ladies and gentlemen, is when we speak,
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there's a purple box that shows the other person that somebody's
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speaking. It doesn't always coincide with
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when you start talking or stop. So in the final podcast, they
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don't see the purple box purple. Rain.
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Yeah, I would sing, but I'm not Prince Purple.
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Rain, I'm not going to try to do prints, no.
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That's ill advised. So, so you're wondering what
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we're going to talk about today. So, so, so I had an idea of of
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of, you know, which we could kind of tie this into ourselves
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in a way, right. Because you and I love music.
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Yes. And if we, if we I I'm a little
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irritated. I typed in.
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I typed in one hit. Wonders rock'n'roll OK.
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OK. One hit wonders Rock'n'roll.
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Not pop. Rock not candy Ash rock not
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fucking, you know, stupid shit. First one hit wonder that comes
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up on Google. What do you think it is?
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Which is it's mind boggling. But it's I can see it being the
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number one. It's, yeah, I can see it.
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Being the first, it was a first. It's a.
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Top ten one hit wonder. OK, so let me just take a stab
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in the dark, because the first person that comes to mind for me
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when you say one hit wonder, it's.
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A It's a yeah. It would be either Head East,
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never been any Reason or spirit in the Sky by Norman Greenbaum.
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Neither one. No, but Norman Greenbaum is in
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there. The one that first, the one that
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first pops up. And it's not alphabetical
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because but the first one that pops up is Common Eileen.
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Oh, that makes sense. Midnight runners, Remember that.
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Come on, Eileen, right. It does.
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But yeah, Norman Green bombs in there.
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Yeah, Norman Green bombs in there.
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And that's the only song he ever wrote.
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Ever. That's it.
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That's the only song he ever wrote.
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Blew up. I hear it probably as far as I
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know that was it. Just he did it.
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Did some song something for it and in the late 60s Norman came
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across this Porter Wagner playing a gospel song on TV.
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He thought, yeah, I could do that knowing nothing about
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Gopsel, Shakespearean of the sky, for example.
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It's a familiar fuzzed out guitar sound.
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There was a hit in the 70s and Paved proved to be his only hit.
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Yeah, and just for 1979, just a further on that song, he said
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that it took him all about 15 minutes to write that song.
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I don't doubt that. Think about that.
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The, the, the best. I think the best songs that are
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ever written are the ones that you don't labor over.
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Well, yeah, I mean, up to you. You know, it's the one that uses
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there. And boom, the one that you just
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heard. It was all 10 minutes.
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It took me longer to put it together than it took me to
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write it, right? It probably took me two hours to
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put it together and it took me 10 minutes to write it.
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So there you go. That's not bad.
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That's not bad. I just.
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I just think there's to be more. There's now.
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I hit. I clicked another one.
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Hit wonder. There was your head east.
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Your head east. Never been any reason.
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Yep, first one that popped up on this search, and then Rick
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Derringers Rock'n'roll Coochie COO.
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That's a good one. And then, yeah, twisted sisters
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were not going to take it, Which that wasn't a one hit wonder
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because. They yeah, you really can't call
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Twisted Sister a one hit wonder. That whole album was full of top
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ten singles. No, yeah, I know, right.
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I just. I got that about too long ago on
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Apple on iTunes. And oh, stay hungry.
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Great album. There's some really good songs
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on here. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Then you have Ram Jam Black Betty.
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Oh, that's a great song. All right, now from free.
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Hey, have you ever from turn up the autograph sound, turn up the
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radio? Have you ever seen the video for
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Black Betty? No, but there's a link right
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here. Dude, just check it out because
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those guys look nothing like you would expect them to look.
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They're a bunch of hillbillies. I was blown away the first time
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I saw him. I'm like that is not what I
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expected. Really.
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Oh yeah. I get as many people to watch
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that as I can. Mississippi Queen.
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Yeah, yeah, Mississippi Queen's a great song.
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I will watch it. Oh yeah.
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Blind faith can't find my way home.
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Red Ryder dude. Lunatic French that that's a
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great song. Which is, which is a trip
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because not a lot of people realize that that Tom Cochran
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was was the singer Red Ryder. Correct.
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You know, life is a highway guy. Yep.
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He went on to have a That was Tom Cochran.
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Stellar solo career. Yeah, that was Tom Cochran, too.
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Oh, fantastic. He did, Yep.
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He did, yeah. And then something called Sniff
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in the Tears, a song called Driver's Seat.
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Never heard of that one. It tells of a person feeling
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lost at the end of a relationship.
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Me neither, man. Captain ride from Blues images.
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Ride, Captain ride. I think I've heard that.
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Oh yeah, that's a great song. Yeah, that's not a lot of.
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So that was interesting. That is a link.
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Do you remember the first song you ever heard?
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In my life. That's that's a hard one.
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Now, obviously it's got to be cocked.
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Yeah, well, just that. That when you're old enough to
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recognize and understand, this was music or this was a song.
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Like. I can't remember the first DJI
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ever heard on the radio just because it was, you know, a
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wacky dude, that so evil monster you used to listen to in the
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mornings. KNIXW Steven Martin.
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The dude would take a shower on the radio.
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Not really, but it was one of his gimmicks.
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I you know I do. Let's let's change that instead
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of the first thing you ever heard.
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Do you? Remember, no, that's.
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Do you remember the 1st? The 1st.
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No, that's fine. OK.
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I can answer both questions. I I know where you're going with
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it. Yeah.
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So the first song that ever blew me away, I was in my dad's 1976
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metallic red Impala with white leather interior and an 8 track
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player and he put in Hotel California by the Eagles and
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that guitar solo. That's when I knew that I
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wanted. I didn't even know what it was,
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but I knew that I needed to know how that sound was made, you
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know? So that was my first oh shit, I
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love music moment where it grabbed my soul, you know?
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It made me sit up and pay attention and it just grabbed
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me. So then Fast forward to when I
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was 10 years old, 1983, I heard Pyromania for the first time and
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that's the first album I ever went out and bought.
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I think I probably heard photograph or something,
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whatever. The first single they released,
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I heard that on the radio and I went and bought Pyromania and I
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love that whole album. And that guitar sound from Def
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Leppard is really what made me want to play guitar.
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Their tones were just so their their distortion was so heavy
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and melodic at the same time. But what I really appreciated
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about them is their clean tones. What people don't understand is
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how hard it is to get a good, clean electric guitar sound.
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An electric guitar was made to be distorted, you know, But
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their clean sounds were beautiful.
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So it was shortly after I bought that album that I started
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playing guitar. Well, that and the fact didn't
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correct me if I'm wrong, but they were really good at
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harmonizing their guitars, right?
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So they were really. Yes.
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They wrote harmony guitar lines, right?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So that means to the lay person that doesn't understand that,
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that means that they were playing.
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Right. The major.
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So they were playing, not the major.
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They were playing the root of the chord.
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So somebody was playing an A chord and then the next guy was
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playing the third up from that. So it made the guitar sound
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really full. Two people were making one
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gigantic chord is what they were doing.
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Yeah, they were masters at that. And their producer, Mutt Lang,
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was the wicked genius behind it. Right.
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And you know and and you add on the fact that they harmonize
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vocally with everything and they pulled that shit off live.
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Yes, their vocal harmonies. What to me was just.
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They were that good live. Yeah.
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Oh yeah. And anytime before anybody ever
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thought about lip syncing and all that bullshit.
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Oh yeah. Anytime somebody would make fun
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of Def Leppard, I would challenged them to go see them
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in concert and tell me that their band could pull off that
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same quality live no matter what style of music you're playing.
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Just absolutely jaw-dropping. Amazing.
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They sounded just like their record, only really loud.
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Yeah, yeah. So I the first, the first music
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I ever heard was country because that's what I grew up on from
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you know, so the first, the first eight track because we're
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both in that eight track genre was, I don't remember, I think
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it was The Gambler, Kenny Rogers, the Gambler.
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That's a great the. First eight track I ever bought,
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I mean, and that's funny. I went into iTunes again and
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bought the album and it's nothing.
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What I remembered it being aside from the song, The gambler,
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everything else. Like I I would have, I would
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have fought you that. That was a great a great album
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start to finish. And I listened to it like the
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fucking. I like this shit.
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I mean. Like The Gambler, you will know,
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you will notice, you'll notice that I just said that's a great
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tune, not a great album. Right, exactly.
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And I've noticed in listening to to him, because I have Serious
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Satellite, so I, you know me, I've always been, I've always
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loved music. So it doesn't matter what type
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of genre I'm listening to. Agree, I'm the same way.
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Hip hop and rap just because it's not my thing, right?
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But when Kenny Rogers comes on, because I have alerts set up for
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stuff that, you know, I go through a cycle and change it
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probably every six months. But he never raised his voice
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man like like he had to be just the most boring musician live
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because like there was nothing. Like he never he never like, you
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know how I sang in Nemesis like that?
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That's kind of singing. Yeah, but that's a different
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style of music, man, He. Never would have sustained
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itself. Oh, I know, but he's just, you
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know. Dude, he made the women just go
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crazy. Oh yeah.
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My mother was in love with Kenny Rogers.
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Come on. Oh yeah, he had that long Gray
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hair in. That absolutely.
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He was a stud man stream. With Dolly Parton.
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Yeah, you know, that's what those people, that's what those
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people were into back then, right?
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Come on now. They were, they were running at
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a different speed than we were. You know, I love my.
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I love my mom to death, but you know, she's not, she's not into
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the Hard Rock. She didn't grow up on Led
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Zeppelin in the Door. She grew up on Elvis and Buddy
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Holly. And you know, that was what was
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going on back then. You and I grew up on Hard Rock
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in the 80s. We grew up on 70s, classic arena
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rock, you know, Kiss and Aerosmith.
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And my dad introduced me to The Doors and Zeppelin and the
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Eagles, and that's where my love of music came from was.
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His music was just amazing. I was listening to Mötley Crüe
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and Def Leppard and Cinderella and whoever was out at the time,
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you know, I finally got introduced to Metallica, which
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changed my life. But before that happened, he
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introduced me to Zeppelin and The Doors and the Eagles and
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just amazing music that has I still cherish and listen to and
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learn from today. So I'm sure you went down the
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same path. What was the first real album
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you bought that like, changed your life?
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First real album. It's hard because my my brother
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had such a wide array of music, so I would kind of feed off his
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stuff. I and I still have my original
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like 11:50 albums I bought and they range from.
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I don't remember what the first one was, but I had like Asia's
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original debut album. Obviously.
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I had Hotel California, Kiss, Dynasty and Destroyer.
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But I mean, I didn't like, I I I can remember drawing pictures,
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like, you know, when you're when you're going to school and
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whatnot. And I can remember drawing
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pictures in 4th grade of bands, right, Like a band on stage.
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Oh yeah, But it just for life, man.
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I can't remember what it was 4th grade, so I had to be.
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I don't know. How old are you in 4th grade 10?
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Something like that. Nine.
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Yeah, somewhere around there. Yeah, so that would have been,
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that would have been 19791980. Yeah, so it would have been.
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It would have been 7980. So it, you know, it had to be.
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I'm going to go with either the Eagles was the first album I
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ever bought or got as a gift because once I started buying
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shit like I I love the Scorpions.
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That was my my first real, like this band is just fucking
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outstanding. Like everything about them, the
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showmanship. That's a great band too, Stage,
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you know. Oh yeah, their live show was
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amazing. Songs.
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Yeah, just like I saw the worldwide live tour and and the
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coolest thing about that it was a Compton terrorist in Phoenix.
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Or is it Phoenix? It's I don't know if it's
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Phoenix or not. But it's all the stuff, yeah.
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It was. It was, yeah, yeah.
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So the Scorpions headlined it. Aerosmith played before them.
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Autograph played loudness played that that band from China I
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think or Japan. They were from Japan.
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They were great, man. Yeah, and then and then somebody
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else. But I.
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I love my brother. Had, yeah, and I learned.
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I learned from my buddy Neanderthal on KSLX DJ that Y&T
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means yesterday, and today they just shortened it down to Y&T.
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Yeah, I think you're the one that actually told me that.
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Which I did not know, All right, Hon.
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But yeah, the IT had to be. It had to be Scorpions as the
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real, the first real kind of real kind of of just the thing
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that kind of made me fall in love with the music, but also
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the the entertainment side of it and being in front of people
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like we were, Nicki and I were out dancing Saturday and this is
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going to sound cheesy as fuck, but.
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Braver than I am we. Go dancing and and Kenny
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Chesney. Hey, we're fucking dance like
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you and blame dude it's. That's awesome, man.
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That's awesome If I can. Cut a rug so much that we had
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people, we had people, we had people there cheering us because
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they got I can dip her, I can lean her this way and then drop
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her down with my hand, you know, bring her up and just.
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It's almost a. Chesty came on because it's.
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It's almost like one time you aspire to be the center of
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attention. Right so so Kenny Chesney came
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on and I'm and and it wasn't a song that we were we were danced
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to because we like the the the higher speed up stuff higher
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speed up just the more you. Know up tempo.
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Faster paced he Yeah yeah good Chesney was.
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And it's funny if you if and I'm not slamming country music
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because it's if it is what it is but there's so trying to not be
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country music. Have you ever noticed that it's
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it's let's just be yeah, let's just be pop rock.
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With that's what makes me not like it to.
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Me, right. Because they're they're they've
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moved away. Like there were the videos and
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there's guys talking with his hands and I'm like, dude, this
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song doesn't. The song doesn't dictate that
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kind of movement with your hands because you are singing.
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It doesn't even make sense. Where I'm going with this Kenny
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Chesney, right? Kenny Chesney on stage with his
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guitar was a live video, obviously, but I just, it's one
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of those moments in my life that I look at him on.
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I looked at that video and that moment of him on that video on
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the stage and the mass amounts of people, and it's one of those
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things like, fuck, that should have been me.
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What the hell? I was born to be a rock star and
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it just didn't happen, so I'm very disgruntled about that
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every now and then. We ain't done yet.
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But you know, that's that is what it is.
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I know, I I know I know absolutely not.
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Just takes one. We could be that one hit wonder.
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Maybe we'll be on the top of the list.
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It does take one, right? Right.
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You never know, man. And today is a whole different
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world. That's partly why we're doing
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this podcast is eventually we're going to promote our new music.
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We just promoted one minute and one second of new music, so you
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know that it's possible and that it's going to be written.
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We just proved it, so it comes as fast as I'm motivated.
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Yeah, right. You know, some days, let's put
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it this way, the state of Illinois and the company that I
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worked for really helped me have a lot more motivation here
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lately. So we'll just leave it at that
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for now. Illinois, I'm done with my fake
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beer. So let me ask you, does it taste
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just like Corona or similar to Corona or I've never had a fake
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Corona? I I I'm going to have to say
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yes, it does my my memory of all the beers.
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And they're they're good. I know.
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It was the taste that I love the most when I was drinking.
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Yeah, it was the taste that I love the most when drinking.
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So when when I first, when I first tried it, when I first
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tried the the fake beer it was, I was five years sober and I was
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like, OK, if I can, if I can, if I can drink a fake beer, then I
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know I'm cool. And then the first time I drank
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it, it, it completely fucked with my head, 'cause like, whoa,
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you know, the the mouth is like beer, the brain's like beer.
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And then you know, there's nothing to it.
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There's nothing going on, there's no fuzzy feeling, like,
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what the fuck? So that was interesting.
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So it took me a while to really dive into it and be like, OK, I
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can do this. And I don't drink a fake beer if
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I want a fake, if I want a bear, I don't drink one because that's
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a slippery slope. So with the lime in the Corona,
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I got to say it tastes just like Corona.
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So you're you're getting there's there's only a handful of beers
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that actually have. Absolutely.
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I'm getting the taste, yeah, for sure.
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And there's there's only a handful of beers that actually
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are purely no alcohol. Budweiser makes ones now.
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Coors has always made one and it's Coors edge I figure with
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the Budweiser ones called Budweiser Zero.
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I think Heineken makes a 0 alcohol and then Corona just
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came out with theirs. And, you know, that's one of the
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things that when I released our little Thanksgiving message, I
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think at the end of it, it's towards the end of it.
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You know, I was talking about topics that we were going to
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bring up, and that was one of them.
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I said neither one of us makes a mystery out of the fact that we
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were both addicts. You know, we had different
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addictions, but we don't make a mystery out of it.
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It's not something we're proud of, but it's not something we're
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ashamed of either. You know, we'd lived it.
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We survived it. And if we can be a hope for one
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person out there that you can see the other side and you can
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be sitting here just like we are and, you know, be able to live a
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productive life and enjoy it and have fun.
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And you know, life is great when you're here in in the noun.
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You're not a slave to something that you have to do every day or
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every hour or, you know, at the worst of my addiction, it was
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every waking moment or I was sick, you know?
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And unfortunately, my, my family had to see that.
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And that's probably the part that I'm not ashamed of, but
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it's the part that hurts the worst.
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As I came home for Christmas one year and I was in the worst of
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my addiction, man, and I was just sick the whole time I was
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here because I didn't have what I needed, you know?
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And you would you would have thought that that would have
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been enough to make me sit up and say, wow, I need to change
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the way I'm living. But it went on for a couple
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years after that because you saw me at the worst of my addiction
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as well. I was at the tail end of it.
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I had just probably gotten close to hitting rock bottom at that
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point, which is where you have to get to.
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So it was shortly after we tried to put that last band together
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that I was like, you know, I got to make a change, man, I can't
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keep living like this or I'm going to die.
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Right. Yeah.
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And everybody, you got to have that moment.
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Otherwise you're never going to stop.
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And that's what people don't. People that don't live through
25:27
that chaos don't understand that you.
25:30
You truly have to realize that nobody's going to make you stop
25:39
regardless of what they say, regardless of the conversations
25:41
you have. It's it's got to be something
25:44
that you decide to do or it's not going to happen.
25:48
It's just you know. It's just agreed a million
25:51
percent, agreed you. Know people reach out all the
25:53
time about that stuff. And I'm like, yeah, and people,
25:56
people reach out about that stuff all the time.
25:58
I'm like, you can't. How do you stop?
26:00
Well, I stopped because I stopped.
26:01
But you can't. You can't dictate how somebody
26:03
else is going to stop. It doesn't work.
26:05
OK. So let me ask you this because
26:07
I'm curious, you know, you got sober before I did.
26:13
OK. I never quite know how to answer
26:17
this question. When somebody says can you talk
26:19
to so and so because you've been there, done that, what do you
26:24
say to that person or or do you do you entertain those?
26:30
I what I I tell them that that I'm not.
26:35
I'm not the sponsor type because I don't.
26:38
I don't a lot of a lot of Alcoholics.
26:41
Higher power. I don't.
26:44
I've never approached it as by the grace of God, I stopped
26:48
drinking. Fuck that.
26:49
God didn't put the beer in my hand and God's not going to take
26:53
it out of my hand. I'm the one that took the one
26:56
drink and then all of a sudden, you know I allowed it to get out
26:58
of control and allowed it to affect my life and all that kind
27:01
of jazz. So the device that I give
27:05
everybody, when they ask, because I get asked like, you
27:07
know, messages and stuff, I'm like #1 you you can't enable
27:10
them. You you can, you can't tell them
27:13
they need to stop because they're just going to rebel
27:14
against that and they're going to go off on their own thing and
27:16
do their own thing and they're going to start, they'll go,
27:19
they'll go worse than that because you're telling them to
27:22
stop. So judging, pointing, enabling
27:26
are all negative things. So I'm like, you just got to be
27:28
there. You just be there to listen, be
27:30
there to support, be there to help, you know when they're
27:33
ready to talk about it, they'll talk about it when they're ready
27:34
to stop, to stop. But my path to sobriety is
27:39
different than your path to sobriety.
27:40
It's different than Bob's path and Dave's path and Steve's
27:43
path. And you know it's it's a it's a
27:48
never ending conversation because the person reaching out
27:55
for help to share with the person that is in their circle
27:58
that needs help, it's telephone gaming.
28:02
So what I what I say directly to you is going to change when you
28:06
go talk to Dave about it because you're not going to remember
28:09
everything I say. So I I it's a slipper slope.
28:13
But I don't I don't really ever dive into that conversation.
28:16
I just, you know, depending on what they share with me depends
28:19
on how I respond to it. And the basis of that response
28:23
is generalized on what works for me doesn't necessarily work for
28:28
everybody else. So I'm not going to pretend.
28:35
I'm not going to pretend that my my path is your path, because
28:40
it's impossible. It's just impossible.
28:44
That was that was more valuable advice than people realize, and
28:49
I just wanted to see how much what you said mirrored what my
28:54
response is, and it's very similar.
28:58
I always start off the conversation very similar to
29:01
what you said by saying I literally woke up one day and I
29:05
looked in the mirror and I weighed about 128 lbs and I was
29:10
sick and I knew I was going to die, which.
29:13
Is just crazy. Yeah, and you know, I have
29:17
witnesses. Kevin, my mom, my dad, my
29:20
family. When I moved back here, I had to
29:21
shop for my pants in the boys section because I look like an
29:25
Ethiopian dude. So.
29:30
That's crazy. To your point, I got to that
29:33
level where I wanted to live, You know, I didn't want to die.
29:38
And some people will just keep going until they're dead because
29:41
they can't ever see that there's life on the other side of that,
29:47
you know? And I didn't see it for a long
29:49
time either. But something snapped in me that
29:52
day. And just the sheer will to live
29:55
is, you know what changed my life?
29:57
And I started taking life 10 seconds at a time, in a minute
30:01
and 10 minutes in an hour. And that's kind of the advice I
30:04
give to people the same as you. That person needs to get to that
30:10
point themselves where they're just so far down that they have
30:14
no other direction to go but up. That's the best way I can
30:17
describe it is that day I realized in my mind for the
30:21
first time that I can't get any lower because lower is death,
30:26
right? I I got nowhere to go but up if
30:29
I choose to live. So I like your advice and I just
30:34
wanted people to hear it for themselves that telling that
30:37
person that is in their life, that's an addict that they need
30:40
to quit is not helping them at all.
30:47
No, it pushes them away. Nikki was a bartender for all
30:50
things, you know, and she probably tried to tell me 1000
30:54
times, but I never heard her because she's a bartender like
30:57
you're a fucking bartender like he can, you know?
31:00
And it's just one of those things that just didn't, it
31:05
didn't register. It had the you had to have your
31:07
own moment and your own whatever it is.
31:11
I don't. I don't think I was necessarily
31:13
rock bottom because I was very functional.
31:15
I still did my job. I still took care of my bills.
31:18
I still took care of my household.
31:19
I wasn't, I wasn't physically abusive or mentally abusive.
31:23
I was kind of a a Dick that wasn't there emotionally.
31:26
I was completely unattached. But that's almost just as
31:30
dangerous, if not more, sometimes because it's more
31:36
dangerous to you because you could drink yourself to death,
31:39
functioning every day, just going along with your day,
31:42
right? You're going to work, you're
31:46
selling your real estate, you're getting off, you're getting
31:49
drunk. You can do that forever if you
31:51
don't choose to quit if nobody's upset with.
31:55
You right. And that and that's where it
31:56
was. Yeah.
31:57
Yeah. Oh yeah.
31:58
And that's and that's where it was heading for sure.
32:00
If I hadn't had that that wake up the next day after the and we
32:05
never fought so we had this big blowout so it was waking up the
32:08
next day like you know fuck something's got to change and
32:12
that's you know googled a A and you know went to one meeting and
32:17
didn't it wasn't a fit. Came back home decided to stop.
32:22
So I kind of purged everything in the house except A1 shot of
32:25
Jack and a beer. Drank both of those.
32:30
February 8th, 2005 I think. And then February 9th went to
32:35
the first real meeting that I connected with and you know,
32:38
there you go. So man, I last beer.
32:42
So we were at last shot. I was just, I was just starting
32:47
to put the next band together in 2005 with Ken and you know
32:54
Teresa, the band that that you were helping us with, trying to
32:57
get us into Nashville and stuff. So that's where I was at that
33:02
time. I was just just getting started
33:08
with that and once that collapsed, everything just went
33:12
S after that. It was not good.
33:16
Yeah, I think it was 2005. Let's look.
33:20
I always, I always mess up the the sober date.
33:24
I just, you know, after Nemesis dissolved, I just had no
33:27
direction, man, because nothing else was working for me.
33:33
You know, I never had that same fit with anybody else that I
33:39
ever played with after you guys. So it was almost like it was a
33:42
struggle all the time and that made it bad because you know, if
33:49
the music's not working, then your life's not working and.
33:55
Right, because that was the outlet that was that was just
33:58
how we purged all the nonsense in our days day-to-day life, you
34:03
know? Well, that's where we always had
34:04
the quality about. Fake beer, right.
34:08
It was it was the IT was the escape.
34:11
Yeah, you know, it was 100% escape for sure.
34:15
There was no stress. You know what they Yeah, you
34:19
know what the fun, The catches about fake beer.
34:22
What's that? You got a pee?
34:23
Just like drinking regular beer. You got a pee just like drinking
34:27
regular beer. Well, you can go to the
34:29
bathroom, man. There's SO.
34:30
Your magic. I'll be right back.
34:32
All right, ladies and gentlemen, Chris is going to go to the
34:35
bathroom now and we're going to entertain you with, oh, I don't
34:40
know, we could listen to our song again or we could tell
34:44
story. I don't have any stories, so
34:48
this is going South quickly for me, so maybe we'll listen to the
34:52
song again. I could give a shout out to my
34:58
mom for hosting an awesome Thanksgiving.
35:01
That's probably what I should do.
35:02
She made a great meal. Thanks for having everybody over
35:05
and being a gracious host and giving up your home for an
35:08
afternoon. It was amazing.
35:12
And I was blessed to be able to be there and spend time with the
35:15
family and nice and relaxing and everybody that knows me knows
35:19
that. That's my speed, so watch
35:22
football and drank a couple beers and made some money on the
35:26
Cowboys game. I hate to have to root for the
35:29
Cowboys, sorry Rob, but when they're winning me money, as I
35:35
always tell everybody, my money knows no allegiances, it just
35:39
goes and tries to multiply itself.
35:42
Send your little soldiers out to battle and hopefully they bring
35:45
back with multipliers. We like to win, so Thursday was
35:52
good for that. Beyond that, that's about all I
35:57
did except to write us a nice little theme song.
35:59
So the nice little theme song turned out good.
36:01
According to Chris, he liked it. We'll Polish it up as time goes
36:05
along. That's just a rough draft or a
36:09
demo as we call it, but I thought it was pretty cool.
36:12
I agreed with him. I thought it kind of had a cult
36:14
vibe to it, and I dig the colt because they have such clean
36:20
sounds. Their drums are nice and crisp,
36:22
their guitars sound clean, but oddly enough they're very
36:27
distorted and a lot of effects on them.
36:28
But that's probably TMI. Here comes Chris again.
36:35
We powered through. There wasn't.
36:42
There wasn't a lot of dead air for.
36:44
All you children out there, No, that's good.
36:48
I gave a shout out to mom for her awesome Thanksgiving.
36:50
Dead air. Dead air.
36:52
Dead air, dead air. Oh, all right, on.
36:54
What did you guys have for Thanksgiving?
36:57
Oh, we had the standards. We had Turkey and stuffing and
37:01
corn casserole and beans with bacon and 04 different pies and
37:08
cookies and Oh my God, my mom puts on an amazing Thanksgiving.
37:14
My sister-in-law made the dressing.
37:15
That was really good. She also made the corn
37:18
casserole, I guess that was really good.
37:20
Yeah. Yeah, we had a good day.
37:25
So what? What is corn casserole?
37:28
What is that? I don't cook so I have no idea,
37:33
but if I was to guess I think it's cream style corn and like
37:40
some kind of crackers that they crumble up and they make like a
37:44
topping on the cream corn. I believe it's a cracker top.
37:51
It's delicious. If you like corn, you would.
37:54
You would really like it. Yeah, we are.
37:57
I think it's a very Midwest thing.
37:59
I do sometimes. Oh, gotcha.
38:04
A lot of things are. Very green bean cashew wood than
38:06
we often not to. What do you guys have?
38:09
Yeah. Turkey, sweet potatoes, mashed
38:19
potatoes and biscuits, you know, pretty boring.
38:25
We we did it Friday because Sky and and Junior and and Little
38:31
Man and Trip all went to his family's side of town Thursday.
38:39
So we just kind of, you know, I don't know.
38:45
Oh Saturday we had steak. I made steak which was which was
38:49
good T. Bones, my favorite.
38:51
T bones We had T bones on. On Thursday, yeah, that's my
38:54
favorite meal ever. We killed we, Yeah, yeah, we
38:58
chopped up a cow. We've got 1/4 of a cow.
39:00
So we did the rib eyes last night, which I've never, I've
39:02
never grilled a rib eye. You've got to be kidding me.
39:05
I was like, damn, that's good. You've never grilled a rib eye?
39:09
Oh dude, that's my favorite. I I probably had twenty of them
39:12
this year. Really.
39:16
Oh yeah, that's my go to man. I'll stop by the supermarket on
39:19
my way home and pick up a rib eye and throw it on the grill. 7
39:23
minutes later I'm done. Baked potato and a rib eye.
39:27
Yeah why not See, I'm I love fillets because I just, I I just
39:32
you know high I'm high maintenance you know.
39:34
Dude, you can't go wrong with a good fillet.
39:39
No. Hell no.
39:41
You know, you ever had any Kobeef Kobe beef?
39:45
I have never had Kobe beef. I hear Joe Rogan talk about it
39:51
all the time. It's, it's, it's, it's.
39:54
Oh, does he? Yeah, he likes it.
39:57
Yeah, it's it's pretty legit, man.
39:58
Right on. Where did you have the Kobe beef
40:02
at? It's good.
40:02
I don't. It's super expensive.
40:04
So buy at a restaurant like maestros or something, you know,
40:09
fancy, fancy spot. But I won't, I won't, You know,
40:13
I'm not going to go buy Kobe beef just to.
40:16
It's got to be one of those things, you know?
40:20
But yeah, it was good. It was for sure good.
40:23
Yeah, we have some amazing. That's one of the nice things
40:27
about living in the Midwest is they do have some amazing beef.
40:34
Right, because you have all the cows there.
40:37
And I guess apparently the grain fed is better than the grass
40:40
fed. Really.
40:45
Taste wise, not health wise I. Thought recently was grass fed?
40:49
Oh yeah. Yeah, so from what I understand
40:53
because the. Grass.
40:54
Nikki Nikki Likes what? We what I understand is the
40:57
grass fed is healthier for you because the cat, the cow is
41:01
actually eating what they're supposed to be eating versus
41:04
eating that mix that they give them, which is you know, ground
41:07
up with part of themselves. So they're actually cannibals at
41:10
that point, right? That's fun.
41:17
I think it's just a mix of a bunch of stuff they give them,
41:20
you know, they call it grain fed, but I'm not sure it's all
41:25
100% grain, you know, but it makes them amazing beef lot.
41:31
Of lot of one of the steroids and, yeah, steroids and all that
41:36
kind of stuff. Yeah, and the inoculations and
41:39
whatever. The fuck.
41:41
All that jazz. Yeah, they're killing us slowly.
41:48
Yeah, you know, that's why you got to buy your own dead cows.
41:51
Let somebody else kill it, though, and process it.
41:53
It's easier that way. You know, just flip the bill.
41:57
That's what my brother does. And then he just went up and got
42:00
him a deer in Wisconsin. Does he Matt?
42:02
Yeah. Oh yeah.
42:05
Yeah. Matt stocks his.
42:06
Brother Matt, right on. Yeah, he stocks his freezer
42:09
with, I don't know, they buy a half a cow and then him and his
42:13
wife go up to Wisconsin to her parents property and her
42:18
relatives properly property somebody's and shoot a deer
42:22
every year. And then they have that
42:24
processed and they put that in their freezer and Oh yeah, we
42:28
love seeing them. But the holidays because they
42:30
got all the good deer sausage, buddy, that's delicious.
42:32
I'm not sure if you've ever had venison sausage, but it's
42:35
amazing. I don't know if I have or not.
42:40
Oh, out of sight. I know if I did right.
42:43
Yeah, it's got a very distinct flavor to it.
42:49
Hold on. I've noticed that when we buy
42:55
the the dead cow like the beef, Nikki likes to taste better
42:58
because it doesn't taste like, you know, over the counter
43:02
processed beef. It's, well, it.
43:05
Doesn't have that smell to it. It's processed the way it's
43:08
supposed to be by a, you know. Supposed to be right?
43:12
Master Craftsman butcher. And it's wrapped in the right
43:16
paper and, you know, stored the right way.
43:19
And there's a way that meat is supposed to be prepared and
43:22
processed, and put on a little Styrofoam tray with a shrink
43:27
wrap around it is not the way it's supposed to be presented.
43:32
Agreed, agreed 100% and just from the taste of it for sure.
43:39
Yes, we totally got off topic when I went to the bathroom.
43:47
Sorry about that. No, it's all good.
43:49
That's kind of what happens on these things.
43:50
Sometimes that's what makes them fun, you know, we're not 100%
43:55
professionals here, ladies and gentlemen.
43:57
We're just kind of winging it. We're flying by the seat of our
43:59
pants, as it were, and we're learning as we go.
44:02
And we hope you're having fun along the way.
44:04
I know that you don't care about these things, but we have been
44:07
picking up subscribers and listeners and they're, you know,
44:12
digging the stories about the band.
44:14
And we've had people chiming in on the Spotify.
44:18
They have a place where they can talk about what they think about
44:22
the show, so if you get on the Spotify page, you yourself will
44:25
be able to see your fans commenting to you.
44:31
Oh, right on, There's a few. Of them, you know we have.
44:35
We have some loyal followers so far.
44:39
They're few, but they're mighty. Hey, it's got to start
44:44
somewhere. Absolutely.
44:46
And that's what everybody keeps saying.
44:48
And I've had just amazing positive affirmations for this.
44:52
And everybody's been telling us to keep going and they enjoy
44:56
listening and have encountered at least three or four or five
45:00
people that have told me that that's their Monday afternoon or
45:03
Monday morning activity as they listen to the podcast.
45:06
So thank you guys for doing that.
45:08
Hopefully we keep you entertained and make your hour
45:10
go by or hour and a half or however long this thing is.
45:13
Yeah, it's really cool, man. So my friend, Mandy's one of
45:18
them. She'll be listening to it Monday
45:19
afternoon while she's doing her financial secretary duties at
45:22
the union hall. So shout out to Mandy.
45:26
Oh, Oh yeah. Hello, Mandy.
45:30
Mandy. Mandy.
45:32
Mandy, AKA Sunshine. At one point in time, she was a
45:36
boxer. She was a female.
45:39
Oh, the Mandy was a female boxer when I was working for this
45:44
broker's years ago. I guess, hold on a second I I
45:47
guess I got to give a shout out to Harvey now too, because her
45:50
husband also listens, so we got him as a subscriber.
45:54
Oh. So we'll give a shout out to
45:56
Harve too. Wow.
45:58
So, Harvey. Who recently got day shift?
46:00
That's a good name at his job, so congratulations to Harvey.
46:08
Was he doing nights? Oh yeah, he was.
46:10
He was on the 3rd shift working 12 hour days, man, as a manager
46:15
out there where I work it. Oh.
46:17
So yeah, he's super happy to be on day shift now.
46:21
So if he's listening, congratulations bro, you deserve
46:24
it, right? On Congratulations, Harvey.
46:29
Yeah, America loves you. So if we can get everybody to
46:36
keep sharing this and telling their friends about it, and I've
46:40
made the joke that even if we annoy you, tell your enemies
46:43
about it, You know, the more hits and the more followers we
46:46
get, the more successful this is going to be and we'll be able to
46:51
bring, you know, more guests and more content.
46:54
So we can't get the kind of. Yeah, and.
46:58
We can't get the kind of footing that we need until we get over
47:02
that hump. So every little bit helps and I
47:04
appreciate every what everybody's been doing.
47:06
It's awesome. Yeah, and I I I need to follow
47:11
up with the the graphic designer about our logo and shit because
47:14
I'm. Not, yeah.
47:15
Where's our logo, man? I want.
47:16
To do the Facebook and Instagram pages.
47:18
I don't know. I I like.
47:20
I got to find out what's up, man.
47:21
I got to find out, hey, why? You know that sparks a story.
47:27
Do you remember Rob, the disappearing artist?
47:29
Oh, right on story time. Rob the disappearing artist.
47:34
He's the guy that did the nemesis.
47:36
Logo. I don't think so.
47:38
Remember, he drew the mock of the Nemesis logo.
47:41
That became the logo because we could never find him again.
47:46
You cut out. He did what?
47:49
He drew the the like the mock up of the Nemesis logo which ended
47:54
up becoming the logo because we could never find him again.
47:58
Right on, he just vanished in the middle of the night out of
48:03
his apartment. Disappearing.
48:06
Wow. Oh, that's not good.
48:09
Then I went down there and knocked on the door one day and
48:11
the dude was gone. So we ended up with what we
48:14
ended up with, which I think you said you still got a T-shirt,
48:16
right? Did I lose you again?
48:23
Maybe for a second, Yeah. Don't you still have that shirt?
48:27
When I first jumped on here my Internet I do.
48:31
I got to. I got to find it all.
48:33
If I can find it, I'll wear next next week.
48:36
I found I was moving some stuff looking for Christmas or
48:39
Christmas stuff because we put Christmas stuff up on
48:41
Thanksgiving weekend. And I found I found the the last
48:44
bands tote, you know with the CDs and the the.
48:52
Marketing of which I think I'm getting new Internet, so I need
48:55
that as well. You got what?
49:04
You got What Internet? Oh, you froze again.
49:17
Did you freeze up on me again? I'm.
49:22
I'm. There's a message on here,
49:24
folks, and I got to read it and I don't have my glasses on.
49:29
Oh. I think he froze up on me.
49:33
So I think I am currently the only one on here or we are both
49:37
talking at the same time. I'm.
49:39
Here and I'm here. We're both talking.
49:41
I'm not sure we're talking at the same time every now and then
49:46
we're. 2. 1000 miles apart, so just.
49:50
Wasting time away. This is not perfect, but this is
49:55
the first time it's ever actually frozen up to.
49:57
The point cover it up so. The rest of the times, you guys
50:02
just didn't know it was happening or it was just
50:05
slightly annoying, but this one is annoying for even me because
50:15
his screen's frozen. So we're going to stop this now
50:24
and it says he's still here. I don't know,
50:48
Pardon the Interruption. We're going to have to figure
50:50
out what's going on here, Mike. Mike.
50:55
Hey. I was just calling you while you
50:57
were calling me. That's crazy.
51:00
Hey, so this is Chris Dunham live on the podcast because he's
51:03
frozen up on my screen. What's funny?
51:08
Is I'm not frozen on my screen. So did you hear me talking the
51:14
whole time then? I did and then I was.
51:17
I did, and I'm doing all kinds of weird hand gestures and
51:20
running down the halls and making silly faces.
51:25
So it'll it'll be interesting to see what happens when you when
51:28
we stop this, which we should stop this if one of us is frozen
51:31
OK and upload it and see what happens.
51:34
Hold on one second. OK.
51:36
Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to end this here.
51:39
So thanks for bearing with us. Normally we don't have these
51:43
kind of horrendous catastrophes, but we did today, so I guess
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this will just be funny. Until next time, Peace.
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All right. Yeah, we'll see what happens
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the.