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Are the Cavs legit title contenders? · The So-Called Sports Analysts

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Speaker 1: Well, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome back to another episode, episode
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Speaker 1: number ninety seven of the so called Sports Analyst. Josh,
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Speaker 1: how you doing this is a long time?
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Speaker 2: Well, this is truly welcome back, truly welcome back. You know,
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Speaker 2: we had some technical difficulties. Computer book just haven't and
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Speaker 2: we know it sounds terrible on the phone based off
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Speaker 2: when we first started doing it. To get a little pause,
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Speaker 2: based on what we had to work with the beginning
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Speaker 2: with my phone, it sounded terrible, So we weren't gonna
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Speaker 2: do that. So I guess we just took a little high,
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Speaker 2: but took a little bit of a break. We've were
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Speaker 2: pumping out two episodes a week, so I guess we
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Speaker 2: kind of deserved it. But it was also kind of
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Speaker 2: at the worst time, but best time for me to
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Speaker 2: kind of stop it because you know, super Bowl playoffs
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Speaker 2: but also the Super Bowl playoffs we don't going to
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Speaker 2: talk about. That's in the past. That's in the post.
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Speaker 2: I don't even know my opinions is a new NFL
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Speaker 2: season combine already happened, bro, That's that's in the past.
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Speaker 2: Just saying and now we're being the bread and butter
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Speaker 2: mine and Fondo's favorite sport, the NBA. We're getting able
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Speaker 2: to talk about that matter. That's honestly a hard time
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Speaker 2: for me subject for me. Also, you know, I've been
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Speaker 2: praying for Wimby every morning, every night, even at lunch time,
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Speaker 2: pray for my meal. I pray for Wimby. But you know,
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Speaker 2: basketball seasons. I think it's the best basketball season we've
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Speaker 2: seen it in a long time. There's so many teams
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Speaker 2: that are close and close in ranking that the playoffs
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Speaker 2: are just like every game is a playoff game right now.
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Speaker 2: So I think the NBA is in a good spot
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Speaker 2: right now. Even though everyone likes you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's individuals.
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Speaker 2: Yeah no.
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Speaker 2: Off, like product, what's going on? No shout out?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know, they're like what happened. They're like
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Speaker 1: it just disappeared. Damned here for a long time now.
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Speaker 1: But all right, I know Josh said, we're gonna talk
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Speaker 1: about some NBA, but we need to bring up some
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Speaker 1: NFL news because a lot has happened in this past
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Speaker 1: week or so. So I'm a list off a couple
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Speaker 1: of things right here. So first thing, Gino Smith goes
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Speaker 1: to the Raiders for a third round pick. DK Metcalf
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Speaker 1: gets traded to the Steelers for a second round pick
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Speaker 1: and gets a five year, hundred and fifty million dollar
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Speaker 1: contract devanted to the Rams. Two year, forty four million,
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Speaker 1: Miles Garrett stays with Cleveland even after the trade request.
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Speaker 1: Four for one sixty Josh Allen re signed six for
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Speaker 1: three and thirty million, Aaron Jones two year twenty million
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Speaker 1: stays with the Vikings, and Trey Smith one year twenty
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Speaker 1: three million, fully guaranteed stays with the Chiefs. So, which
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Speaker 1: one out of those moves that have happened before free
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Speaker 1: agency is the biggest one.
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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna necessarily. I think a lot of people
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Speaker 2: will move towards maybe saying the DK Metcalf move just
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Speaker 2: because the switching of teams. But I think DK Metcalf
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's that big of a deal. In Heinzez.
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Speaker 2: I'm not the biggest DK Metcalf supporter, and it's just
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Speaker 2: because I feel like he should be living up to
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Speaker 2: a higher standard than what he actually plays based off physicality.
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Speaker 2: Only two Pro Bowls in the last six years, someone
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Speaker 2: like him should be doing that year in and year out.
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Speaker 2: But I don't really I think the contracts maybe a little,
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Speaker 2: probably a lot too big. Because we were talking about
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Speaker 2: before the podcast, Davonte Adams two your forty six million dollars. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: Davante put up better stats between two teams last year
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Speaker 2: and in less games, so I don't think there's an
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Speaker 2: eleven million dollar difference. I will see only the biggest
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Speaker 2: move I think, in hindsight's gonna be that Josh Allen
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Speaker 2: signing six years, three hundred and thirty million dollars, not
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Speaker 2: necessarily because it's like a switching up the teams, or
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Speaker 2: I just think the contract's gonna set a new quarterback
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Speaker 2: market to where I know, I understand he's coming off
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Speaker 2: an MVP year. I understand that, but he has not
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Speaker 2: very successful in the playoffs, and I think a lot
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Speaker 2: of quarterbacks are gonna get a lot of bigger contracts
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Speaker 2: even without the amount of success that they probably need
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Speaker 2: to warneranate that type of money that's going into their pockets.
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Speaker 2: So I think that may be the biggest move for
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Speaker 2: the landscape of the salary cap if I if I'm
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Speaker 2: really being honest as far as these other moves, Miles Good,
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Speaker 2: I mean, I thought I'm gonna see something big happen
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Speaker 2: if he gets traded to another team. I guess you
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Speaker 2: chase the money at become the highest paid defensive player
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Speaker 2: in the history of the entire league by a lot.
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Speaker 2: I think you're probably gonna sign that contract. What it
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Speaker 2: like thirty mil almost a year every single year. That's
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Speaker 2: that's pretty insane, especially for a guy that's that's still big,
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Speaker 2: about to turn thirty years old, so he's still he's
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Speaker 2: still in his prime right now. I mean, the smiles, Garrett,
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Speaker 2: he's a freaquent nature, so I don't I don't think
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Speaker 2: he's slowing down anytime soon, coming off fourteen plus sacks
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Speaker 2: pretty much. I think, what like six years and already
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Speaker 2: five years in something like that. Yeah, and then well,
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Speaker 2: I didn't supply his bocket. I think it's probably a
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Speaker 2: better look a good looking contract thor year forty five mil.
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Speaker 2: It's not It's not that much against the Chiefs cap
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Speaker 2: resigning Nick Bowlon. He's definitely worth that type of money.
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Speaker 2: It just moved that. I was pretty surprised about because
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Speaker 2: I know we've talked about it. Who I thought we
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Speaker 2: would let go, And I thought for sure Nick Bolton
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Speaker 2: was going to be one of the guys that the
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Speaker 2: Chiefs was gonna let walk, only because not that he's
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Speaker 2: a bad player by any means. He's consistently in the
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Speaker 2: top of the league and securing tackles. Just the struggles
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Speaker 2: in the passing game quite a bit. But I will
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Speaker 2: say because we have Lio Chanelle, we have Drew Tranquill,
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Speaker 2: we have a couple of other guys there that could
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Speaker 2: probably step up and fill in these roles. I thought
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Speaker 2: he would have been one of the last guys to
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Speaker 2: be considered being re signed. But I think this just
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Speaker 2: shows that we're trying to run it back again next
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Speaker 2: year kind of with a lot of the same guys
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Speaker 2: we did. Trey Joe Toney, that's yeah, getting up there
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Speaker 2: in age salary cap. You know, the Chiefs don't like
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Speaker 2: to resign older players, and I think this is just
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Speaker 2: a move that they were intending to make. I don't
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Speaker 2: like that we brought in only I forgot what we
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Speaker 2: brought in, like a sixth round pick or.
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Speaker 3: Something like that.
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Speaker 2: I think, so I don't like that. But hey, for
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Speaker 2: the Bears, Kaylor Williams is getting get him from solid
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Speaker 2: protection with Jonah Jackson Joe Toney. I think they need
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Speaker 2: to make one more big draft move for a left tackle,
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Speaker 2: and I think this offensive line is going to be
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Speaker 2: set up because that left tackle is going to have
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Speaker 2: the best left guard in the game protecting helping him
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Speaker 2: out on the other side. Now, I'm going on a
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Speaker 2: rent right now. But there's so much that happened Hollywood Brown,
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Speaker 2: Hollywood Brown comes back to the Chiefs. That that's a
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Speaker 2: big move. I really wanted him to come back. I
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Speaker 2: think we didn't see any full potential from Hollywood Brown.
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Speaker 2: We saw in spirits what he could possibly do with
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Speaker 2: Patrick bum Homes. Just that when you missed an entire
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Speaker 2: season pretty much with injury, it's gonna take a while
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Speaker 2: for you to get back into the fold of things.
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Speaker 2: And I think having him exambly where they dodged dodged
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Speaker 2: one was clap it up, Hey, hey, y'all got a
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Speaker 2: different we're that was that was a joking clap. But
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Speaker 2: he didn't dodge one, a dodge a big one. We
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Speaker 2: will say. So he'll be back to the start of
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Speaker 2: the season. Charlie Brown hopefully comes in healthy, not another
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Speaker 2: preseason injury, and to see Rice because any suspension, he
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Speaker 2: will be back for week win. And so that trio
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Speaker 2: that we expected to see at the beginning of the
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Speaker 2: season may actually happen next year. So yeah, and we
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Speaker 2: signed We got franchise tag Trey Smith, who was expected
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Speaker 2: to be probably the biggest free agent signing in all
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Speaker 2: of free agency, which a lot of people expected him
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Speaker 2: to go to the Bears, so they would just had
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Speaker 2: the Chiefs on line and for being completely honest, but
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Speaker 2: that didn't happen. So bring back a couple of key
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Speaker 2: pieces to hopefully go back to know the run next year.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, for sure.
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Speaker 1: There was definitely some pieces in here and some underrated signings.
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Speaker 1: I would say right here, the Ernest Jones and Damien
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Speaker 1: Sherwood as far as linebackers only. The only reason why
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Speaker 1: I was interested in those because potential signings of the
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Speaker 1: Cowboys maybe. Also Holstly got signed for your eighty million
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Speaker 1: dollar contract, so that was a good move right there.
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Speaker 1: But there's just some question as far as some of
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Speaker 1: these top guys. So the Sam Donald, where do you
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Speaker 1: think he's gonna go? Joshua Milton Williams, DJ Reed, Yvon
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Speaker 1: holland Chris Godwin. There's guys in this draft classes or
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Speaker 1: not draft class.
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Speaker 2: Year on the Raiders now yeah, the Raider Yeah, so
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Speaker 2: oh no way.
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Speaker 1: So those are just interesting right there. I'm interested to
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Speaker 1: see how Gino went to the Raiders. Is Sam Donald?
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Speaker 1: Is he now gonna go to Seattle? That's that's the
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Speaker 1: main thing that people they are saying right now. As
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Speaker 1: far as like as far as like what I'm seeing
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Speaker 1: from Twitter reports and different different stuff like that, it's
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Speaker 1: pretty damn near like guaranteed that Sam Donald is gonna
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Speaker 1: be a Seattle Seahawky either by today, because free agency
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Speaker 1: starts today. So okay, who do you expect to be
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Speaker 1: most active in free agency today?
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Speaker 2: Oh? I most active? I want a lot. People are
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Speaker 2: gonna say Chicago Bears, but receiving wise, they don't need
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Speaker 2: a lot. I think running back they're gonna target in
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Speaker 2: the draft. I think maybe if they go chase after
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Speaker 2: like a Cam Robinson, I could see that happening. I
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Speaker 2: think a lot of teams are gonna be in the
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Speaker 2: swoop stakes for Cam Robinson, So I'm not too sure
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Speaker 2: how that's gonna enough. So I'm not gonna say the Bears,
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Speaker 2: because the Bears do have a good defense as well,
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Speaker 2: so they don't need a lot. And they're really gonna
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Speaker 2: look at a team who's gonna be the most active,
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Speaker 2: you know, a surprising team that I think maybe active.
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Speaker 2: It's gonna be the Denver Broncos. Oh okay, I got
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Speaker 2: I do think because what we saw last year and
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Speaker 2: what they could possibly do with what they had to
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Speaker 2: work with, I think they're gonna make a couple of
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Speaker 2: big moves, maybe bringing a coup receivers, maybe bring in
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Speaker 2: some key players that could ease the load off of
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Speaker 2: them bow Knicks a little bit to where he can
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Speaker 2: kind of stop stop, keep moving, and then yeah, I
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Speaker 2: just lost my tra Thom. Maybe there's little bills I
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Speaker 2: just think, but I think that's also like I don't
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Speaker 2: know what's the market for von Miller anymore. I don't
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Speaker 2: know if he's really that that sought after player like
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Speaker 2: he used to be. Yeah, maybe he comes off like
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Speaker 2: a low veteran contract gets signed to it to a contender,
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Speaker 2: which is obviously I don't think von Miller is gonna
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Speaker 2: go play for a rebuilding team. Maybe the Commanders might
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Speaker 2: be a little active in the free agency. They did
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Speaker 2: like go Johnson Allen. They got his contract off the books.
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Speaker 2: I don't know how much they actually have to pay
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Speaker 2: him by releasing him, but I believe the Commanders could
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Speaker 2: make a couple of big moves too.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no for sure.
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Speaker 1: And one thing I'll say is there's not the flashy names,
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Speaker 1: but there's guys that you could add in this free
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Speaker 1: agency class that are gonna help out.
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Speaker 2: Veteran pieces in this In this class, I mean, Nick
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Speaker 2: Chubb is literally sitting there. I was looking to rank
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Speaker 2: the numbers seventy two best. I understand injury, but Nick
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Speaker 2: Chubbing the seventy second best player available. I mean, you're
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Speaker 2: probably gonna be able to get him for a cheaper
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Speaker 2: for a cheaper deal, and who knows, maybe he just
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Speaker 2: needed that extra rest to kind of get get going,
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Speaker 2: and he may not be what he used to be,
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Speaker 2: but I think if you can get eight hundred yar adventure,
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Speaker 2: I think that's always gonna be good for your football team.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, there's some good piece like a Sante Samuel,
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Speaker 1: Justin Reed, DeMarcus Lawrence, Chase Young, Amari Cooper. There's Kevin Zeidler,
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Speaker 1: Rassell Douglas. So there's different guys in this freegency class
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Speaker 1: that's gonna do some damage. But all right, I think
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Speaker 1: that's pretty much everything, unless you want to bring up
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Speaker 1: anything else from the NFL.
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Speaker 2: Has anything changed in your draft standpoint of based off
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Speaker 2: of what we saw at the Combine?
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Speaker 1: Okay, So I was actually having this conversation the other
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Speaker 1: day with one of my friends. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: you know him. His name's James. Shout out to James,
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Speaker 1: by the way. But so we're talking about as far
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Speaker 1: as with the Combine and everything, it changes up everything
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Speaker 1: in the draft, and then when the actual draft happens,
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Speaker 1: it's the exact same when the mock drafts first came out.
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Speaker 1: So I feel like all of this is like smoking mirrors.
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Speaker 1: Like as far as how they're saying, oh, Terry Ota
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Speaker 1: McMillan's gonna fall because of his forty yard dashed, or
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Speaker 1: Gent's gonna go or it's gonna fall out of top twenty,
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Speaker 1: or Shoulder Sanders just going out of the top ten.
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Speaker 1: I think it's it's ridiculous. It's all smoking mirrors just
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Speaker 1: so people they can get traded. So it's pretty much
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Speaker 1: still still the same or actually we never talked about
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Speaker 1: this before. So there's a bunch of people who have
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Speaker 1: cam Ward over Shadar standards just as a Hear quarterback prospect.
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Speaker 1: So do you agree with that?
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Speaker 2: No, I don't entirely agree with that. I think I've
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Speaker 2: been a big advocate of why Shadeer standards just the
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Speaker 2: best quarterback in this draft. I think I like all
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Speaker 2: the conference is Big twelve. I mean, let's look at
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Speaker 2: all the past couple quarterbacks who have won a Super
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Speaker 2: Bowl or have been in a Super Bowl, all from
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Speaker 2: the Big twelve. Not let's get that out the way.
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Speaker 2: There's been maybe one or two that were in the
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Speaker 2: Big twelve. And that's kind of crazy to say. And
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Speaker 2: we look at some of the top prospects, we see
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Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield, we see some a lot of these guys
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Speaker 2: translate because these high powered offenses are able to play
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Speaker 2: within the within the NFL system. So I'm not gonna
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Speaker 2: really sit back and say, oh, they're not playing great competition.
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Speaker 2: I mean, for I mean, Will Levis got drafted in
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Speaker 2: the top ten, Dude, I'm not like, I'm just saying
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Speaker 2: that he didn't have a good a great college football.
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Speaker 2: Trey Lance played D three football and now he's in
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Speaker 2: the freaking and he got drafted. I mean, they regret that.
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Speaker 2: To this they probably regret that. But yeah, I don't
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Speaker 2: think it matters. And even brock Party seventh round draft
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Speaker 2: pick Big twelve, has had a good NFL career by
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Speaker 2: even though I'm the biggest brock Pretty hater, it's just
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Speaker 2: I will say he has had a good So I'm
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Speaker 2: not gonna really so I think that shouldn't be taken
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Speaker 2: into account. I think what we've seen on tape consistently
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Speaker 2: year and a year. I understand cam Wood had a
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Speaker 2: great season last year and okay season a good season
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Speaker 2: the year before, But for two years in we saw
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Speaker 2: severe centers have one of the best touchdowns to interception
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Speaker 2: ratios in the entire in entire college football. We saw
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Speaker 2: him go for a good amount of yards gaming and
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Speaker 2: game out. I think he averaged around like two hundred
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Speaker 2: and sixty yards per game something like that, two hundred
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Speaker 2: and seven, which is perfect for the NFL. And then
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Speaker 2: plus with his offensive lines being bad, he saw a
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Speaker 2: lot of pressures, he saw a lot of collapsing pockets.
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Speaker 2: He's able to move up, move back in the pocket,
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Speaker 2: He's able to create a lot of big time throws
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Speaker 2: in underdgress situations. So I think Sade Sanders base of
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Speaker 2: what we've seen on tape consistently, he's easily for me,
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Speaker 2: the best quarterback in the draft. I understand cam Ward
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Speaker 2: Heisman favorite this year, had a really good season, but
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Speaker 2: we've seen we've seen stories like this before, and the
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Speaker 2: guy that's probably more consistent is Getta end up being
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Speaker 2: the better player in the NFL.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, for sure.
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Speaker 1: That's the biggest thing when people they try to say, oh,
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Speaker 1: we'll break down the tape.
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Speaker 2: Break down, the tape, will break down, the break down
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Speaker 2: the tape.
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Speaker 1: And line, Yeah, no for sure, and then okay, especially
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Speaker 1: with quarterbacks, it's all about timing the one, two, three.
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Speaker 1: He's not even getting his three steps back, and defensive
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Speaker 1: linemen are already in his face compared to cam Wood
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Speaker 1: where he that was I'm not even exaggerating. That was
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Speaker 1: a play where he stood still, not even at the
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Speaker 1: ball up. I don't know if you remember that. He
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Speaker 1: literally stood still and that's how much time he had.
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Speaker 2: But I think some of the snaps were kind of
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Speaker 2: crazy too, if we look back, like he was a
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Speaker 2: lot of hard to handle. And then he's the most
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Speaker 2: accurate quarterback in the entire entire college football. I think
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Speaker 2: arguably Jackson starts right next to him, but like right
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Speaker 2: there Sadar Sanders. Definitely, the amount of times he delivered
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Speaker 2: and where the receiver can get it is is insane
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Speaker 2: compared to most every other quarterback.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no for sure. And so okay, I got
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Speaker 3: one more question for you.
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Speaker 1: So there's been as far as who's gonna be the
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Speaker 1: first non quarterback to go drafted, it's really between two
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Speaker 1: guys right here. It's between Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter
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Speaker 1: right here. So me as I know Dual Carter he
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Speaker 1: had that surgery or he's gonna have that surgery, he'll
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Speaker 1: be back before even the NFL season starts. I would
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Speaker 1: take a Dual Carter over Travis Hunter because defensive line
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Speaker 1: is more impactful than a cornerback and a wide receiver.
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Speaker 1: So would you agree with that?
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Speaker 2: No? I agree. That's why we don't ever see corners
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Speaker 2: drafted number one overall, we see edge rushers. I mean,
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Speaker 2: isn't edge rush, edge rusher the most drafted position for
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Speaker 2: number one outside of quarterback. I think that's and I
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Speaker 2: think that's the complete truth, because it pressure on the
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Speaker 2: quarterback disrupts throws. Pressure on the quarterback stalls a defense out,
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Speaker 2: stalls an offense out. So you can you can get
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Speaker 2: more more out of a defensive lineman when you draft
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Speaker 2: them higher than a cornerback, because cornerback, I understand. It's
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Speaker 2: this is probably the most important time in the NFL
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Speaker 2: history where you need solid cornerbacks because because there's so
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Speaker 2: much talent from top to bottom at the receiver position,
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Speaker 2: you guard one through three and you have good receivers
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Speaker 2: on the field. Yeah, it's just if you can get
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Speaker 2: to the quarterback, it don't matter who's on the field.
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Speaker 2: And that's that's that's We saw that in the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 2: Let's just let's just really talk about it. We saw
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Speaker 2: we saw the Eagles just rotate players and there now
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Speaker 2: able to do a lot of different stunts. And that's
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Speaker 2: all with top drafted defensive line talent Jordan Davis, Nolan Smith,
17:18
Speaker 2: Jalen Carter, Man Coffin, we saw a lot of these
17:22
Speaker 2: guys create a lot of pressure on and especially on
17:24
Speaker 2: a good on a good interior offensive line. I understand
17:27
Speaker 2: the outside Joe Tinney was playing out of position, but
17:32
Speaker 2: still these guys are wrecking havoc. And we saw the
17:34
Speaker 2: best quarterback in the game look the most rattle he
17:37
Speaker 2: ever looked in his entire NFL career ever, being completely honest,
17:40
Speaker 2: and that that that's due to a great defensive line.
17:43
Speaker 2: So I think Abdull Carter is gonna be the guy
17:46
Speaker 2: taken probably before Travis Hunter. And I think there's also
17:50
Speaker 2: that that question where does Travis Hunter want to play?
17:52
Speaker 2: I don't know if he answered that at the combine, Yeah,
17:55
Speaker 2: but he definitely there's that question. How often is he
17:59
Speaker 2: gonna play quarterback? How often is he gonna play receiver?
18:01
Speaker 2: Is he even gonna play receiver? Is he even gonna
18:03
Speaker 2: play cornerback? So this is gonna be a whole situation
18:06
Speaker 2: where teams are just kind of taking a lot of
18:07
Speaker 2: risk drafting Travis Hunting, but it's a great risk because
18:10
Speaker 2: he is Travis Hunter, probably the best like talent for talent,
18:14
Speaker 2: the best player in all of the draft and all
18:17
Speaker 2: the draft. But it's just that question mark, exactly where
18:20
Speaker 2: is he gonna line up?
18:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. You brought up one thing that I felt
18:24
Speaker 1: is very important. I feel like teams or teams around
18:29
Speaker 1: the league, they always tend to overreact from the Super
18:31
Speaker 1: Bowl and as far as that's what I'm saying from
18:33
Speaker 1: the draft, you know how I said, everything's like moving
18:36
Speaker 1: up and down. Defensive linemen are getting pushed up to
18:39
Speaker 1: the top ten like crazy. So obviously you already have
18:43
Speaker 1: Mason Graham, you already have a dual Carter. But as
18:46
Speaker 1: far as a guy like Jday Campbell or James Pearce,
18:50
Speaker 1: Mike Green, those guys, and you're having like Will Johnson,
18:54
Speaker 1: Luther Burd and Terio to McMillan fall. You're having those
18:56
Speaker 1: guys guys fall because you saw the Eagles defensive line
18:59
Speaker 1: what they did, but they're not as good as some
19:02
Speaker 1: of these other prospects who are not defensive linemen. And
19:05
Speaker 1: I think that sometimes teams, they just honestly, teams they
19:10
Speaker 1: just overthink shit. Sometimes you just sometimes have to take
19:14
Speaker 1: the best player that's available. Like if Terry oll to
19:17
Speaker 1: McMillan falls outside of the top ten, it will be
19:20
Speaker 1: the worst decision those top ten teams make in a
19:23
Speaker 1: long time, honestly, which.
19:25
Speaker 2: I don't see happening. I think the Patriots are definitely
19:27
Speaker 2: gonna target a wide receiver or a cornerback, and with
19:30
Speaker 2: their pick, I think they got there guy Drake May.
19:33
Speaker 2: They can wait on running back and which kind of sucks.
19:36
Speaker 2: I got Remindrie Stevenson but in Dynasty. But you know,
19:40
Speaker 2: I think I don't think. I don't see him dropping
19:43
Speaker 2: out the top ten if I'm being completely honest.
19:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully it's just smoking mirrors because.
19:48
Speaker 2: But I will say I do think Quinn Shawn Judkins
19:51
Speaker 2: is gonna move pretty high when it comes to draft.
19:55
Speaker 2: He had a great combine. He has the tape that
19:58
Speaker 2: you need to kind of be a great prospect, and
20:01
Speaker 2: I think he could move up to the top twenty,
20:03
Speaker 2: top fifteen. But when it's all said and done, I
20:05
Speaker 2: mean that's that's a big jump from where he was
20:07
Speaker 2: at considered like a second round, third round pick. The
20:11
Speaker 2: combine changed a lot of people's lives. I mean, we
20:13
Speaker 2: saw that, We've seen that in history's past. And another
20:17
Speaker 2: guy that I think Matthew Golden from Texas. I think
20:20
Speaker 2: I think his forty time it always run Isaiah Bond
20:25
Speaker 2: going into it. But Matthew Golden really had the best
20:27
Speaker 2: combine out of the two. And I think he definitely
20:29
Speaker 2: still fight himself as the first round traff pick in
20:31
Speaker 2: this year and maybe even top twenty.
20:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too, And so I said earlier
20:36
Speaker 1: on I think probably like in early January, I said,
20:39
Speaker 1: I hope we get matt Golden in the second round,
20:42
Speaker 1: but that's not gonna happen anywhere close.
20:44
Speaker 2: Now.
20:45
Speaker 1: It's just a chief day he y'all don't need another
20:50
Speaker 1: wide receiver, all right, y'all need.
20:53
Speaker 2: Last year he saw one GNA need taken out and
20:57
Speaker 2: the other one sucked after that, and it was that
21:00
Speaker 2: Xavier took exeber Worthy took fifteen weeks to get going.
21:03
Speaker 2: So you know, it's just we need another wide receiver.
21:07
Speaker 1: Whose fault was that that, hey take it out?
21:09
Speaker 2: Hey? Well, he's the best at taking out needs too.
21:13
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say that he did it the right he
21:14
Speaker 2: did it the best he could. Bro Dan Campbell would
21:17
Speaker 2: be proud of Patrick Mahomes.
21:19
Speaker 1: He you would be proud of taking out people's kneecaps.
21:22
Speaker 2: No, but oh, okay, one more, one more, okay, Jackson Dart,
21:27
Speaker 2: Jackson Dart, where's he going? I said top ten? I
21:31
Speaker 2: was talking to Breckon. Breckon, he's gonna be in the
21:33
Speaker 2: top ten by the draft. He's gonna be one of
21:35
Speaker 2: the top quarterbacks taken.
21:37
Speaker 3: I won't say top ten or let me look at
21:40
Speaker 3: the draft order.
21:41
Speaker 2: I think there's gonna be three quarterbacks in the top ten.
21:43
Speaker 2: Raiders are going to take a quarterback.
21:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think for sure.
21:46
Speaker 1: Now Raiders, it's guaranteed they take a quarterback, so they
21:49
Speaker 1: could let him sit. Honestly, how it's looking, I think.
21:54
Speaker 2: Okay.
21:55
Speaker 1: So Tennessee, Cleveland, New York Patriots, Jacksonville, Raiders, Jets, Carol Lina, Saints, Chicago,
22:03
Speaker 1: So okay. The teams that don't need a quarterback is
22:06
Speaker 1: New England, Jacksonville, Chicago, Carolina. That's four, and then you
22:13
Speaker 1: have to include a dual Carter and Travis Hunter to
22:16
Speaker 1: for sure be in the top ten. So there's four
22:18
Speaker 1: spots that do or that have quarterback potential right there.
22:25
Speaker 1: Jackson Darts to New Orleans.
22:28
Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm thinking Jackson Darts.
22:30
Speaker 1: To New Orleans. That wouldn't be That wouldn't be too crazy,
22:34
Speaker 1: right there. Dang, So you you really think that, you
22:38
Speaker 1: really think that four quarterbacks?
22:41
Speaker 2: No, not even New Orleans, bro, I mean even even Orleans.
22:44
Speaker 2: Even the Jets, I mean even the Jets need a quarterback.
22:47
Speaker 1: I could see the Jets too, I could see the Jets.
22:50
Speaker 2: To Cleveland, New York, Las Vegas. That's four yet New Orleans.
22:59
Speaker 2: That all those picks near a quarterback, every single one
23:03
Speaker 2: of them. Jacksonville's not taking a quarterback. New England's not
23:06
Speaker 2: taking a quarterback. Line is not taking a quarterback. But
23:09
Speaker 2: every other team is a dark horse to take a quarterback.
23:11
Speaker 2: And I think Shadeer and cam Ward are definitely either
23:13
Speaker 2: going to the one of the top three teams.
23:15
Speaker 3: Then Travis Hunter in the top ten.
23:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Jackson Dart is definitely going to be a
23:21
Speaker 2: top ten draft pick. Oh.
23:24
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised, honestly. Honestly, I'm looking at that
23:28
Speaker 1: New York. No, I see Las Vegas potentially trading down
23:34
Speaker 1: and grabbing Jackson Dart. That because I think it's only
23:38
Speaker 1: three quarterbacks unless I'm not I'm not missing anybody else. Yeah,
23:42
Speaker 1: I think it's just a three quarterback race as far
23:44
Speaker 1: as in the top ten, Dark, Dark, Shadar, cam Ward
23:48
Speaker 1: though Sha.
23:49
Speaker 2: And cam being way above which I think Jackson Dart
23:53
Speaker 2: may be the best, but right now, Shadeer and cam
23:56
Speaker 2: Wod are way ahead of him.
23:58
Speaker 1: You know what, Jackson Dark reminds me of like a
24:01
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert mold He.
24:03
Speaker 2: I think he and that's a pretty good quarterback. But
24:06
Speaker 2: you need to win. You need some winning, some winning
24:09
Speaker 2: going on there. If you're gonna be like Justin Herbert.
24:11
Speaker 3: Hey, Justin Herbert doesn't win either.
24:14
Speaker 2: So so hey, that's what I'm saying. Let's winning and
24:17
Speaker 2: you got a solid guy. Let me say that.
24:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, for real, for real. No, I think Jackson Dark
24:24
Speaker 1: he has the most potential. He's the high risk, high
24:27
Speaker 1: reward guy compared to cam Ward and Shader. I think
24:31
Speaker 1: he's gonna be the one with more variants, if that
24:34
Speaker 1: makes sense. Were it's like you don't know what you're
24:37
Speaker 1: gonna get. And I think Las Vegas would be perfect
24:39
Speaker 1: because you have Gino who's at times, let's be honest,
24:43
Speaker 1: played at a top ten quarterback level at times so
24:45
Speaker 1: you can let him sit back a year learn from Gino.
24:48
Speaker 1: And then plus you have Tom Brady in that. I
24:51
Speaker 1: know he's not like coaching, but he's still in that
24:54
Speaker 1: organization and so you get that TV twelve method. No,
24:59
Speaker 1: but yeah, no, he's he's a big, big ass wall
25:03
Speaker 1: card to me. And I don't know what's the thing,
25:05
Speaker 1: but all right, Josh, anything else.
25:08
Speaker 2: And if I think I think we covered NFL right now,
25:10
Speaker 2: we can get into the knack gritty, all right.
25:12
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, now it's time to talk some basketball right here.
25:17
Speaker 3: So before.
25:20
Speaker 1: So before we talk about anything else, let me list
25:24
Speaker 1: the standings as of Monday morning, March tenth. So I'm
25:28
Speaker 1: gonna just list the playing or through the playing teams
25:31
Speaker 1: right here, because there's no need to list the bottom
25:33
Speaker 1: feeders right here. So one seed Caves Celtics are the
25:36
Speaker 1: two seed Nicks, three seed Bucks, four seed Pacers, five
25:40
Speaker 1: piss and six just out of the play and by
25:42
Speaker 1: six games, Hawks are the seven seed Magic, eight Heat,
25:46
Speaker 1: nine Bulls ten. And in the Western Conference here you
25:49
Speaker 1: have the Thunder as of one seed by thirteen games,
25:52
Speaker 1: then from the two to the five seed it's a
25:55
Speaker 1: blood bath. Only a two game difference Lakers, two Nuggets,
25:59
Speaker 1: three Grizzlies, five Rockets, five Warriors six just out of
26:02
Speaker 1: the play in Mark. Then in the playing teams Timberwolves, Clippers, Kings,
26:07
Speaker 1: and you have the Mavericks by two games over the Suns.
26:10
Speaker 1: So you haven't really been able to give any NBA
26:14
Speaker 1: takes ever since we did our first NBA episode of
26:18
Speaker 1: the season pretty much so October. So what stuck stuck
26:23
Speaker 1: out to you so far from the NBA season?
26:26
Speaker 2: Let me pull up seat my old takes. Let's see.
26:28
Speaker 2: I don't wonder if I have it in my notes
26:29
Speaker 2: right here. Let me check real quick. Oh, as far
26:31
Speaker 2: as you're seating like like original, like, I.
26:36
Speaker 1: Know you had the Lakers up there. No, you had
26:39
Speaker 1: the Lakers as the one seed.
26:40
Speaker 2: I believe.
26:42
Speaker 1: I think I was trying to find my notes the
26:45
Speaker 1: other day through this journal. But but man, honestly, I
26:49
Speaker 1: write so much stuff in this journal.
26:51
Speaker 2: I guess I didn't. I don't know where they're at.
26:55
Speaker 1: I could I could find it now, that was only
26:59
Speaker 1: one tape.
27:00
Speaker 2: Here is here? Is here? Is here? I had the
27:02
Speaker 2: Lakers as the one seed.
27:03
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, the Lakers as the one seed.
27:05
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So let's let's pull the standings a little closer.
27:08
Speaker 2: So the standings Western, so the Lakers at the one seat,
27:12
Speaker 2: the other two. I had a thunder as a two seed.
27:15
Speaker 1: Oh that's yeah.
27:18
Speaker 2: But I had the Masters a three seed and they're
27:19
Speaker 2: number ten right now, and we know how that's gonna go.
27:22
Speaker 2: Let's just say that. Yeah, So I guess that would
27:24
Speaker 2: probably be the most surprising to me at Timberlves four
27:27
Speaker 2: Nuggets five was Timberlves kind of had a terrible start
27:30
Speaker 2: to the season. But let's just talk about it. So
27:33
Speaker 2: we're kind of digressing right now. Okay, So let's I'll
27:36
Speaker 2: look at the Eastern Conference. M the most surprising team
27:39
Speaker 2: for me, I think for everybody, if we're gonna be
27:41
Speaker 2: completely honest, it's gonna be the Detroit Pistons. I don't
27:43
Speaker 2: think anyone expected this big of a jump this early.
27:46
Speaker 2: And I think that's behind.
27:49
Speaker 1: Huh, the paradox himself.
27:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kate Cuttingham, let's talk about some Kate Cunningham basketball.
27:55
Speaker 2: I wasn't we me and fond O talk before. I
27:57
Speaker 2: was like, I don't know if Kate Cunningham is a
27:59
Speaker 2: super star. I've never seen him have that last YEA well,
28:03
Speaker 2: well kid, Cunningham's had them moments, and I think, what's
28:07
Speaker 2: he averaging up the last month, like above, around thirty
28:10
Speaker 2: points per game, thirty one points per game, doing it
28:13
Speaker 2: all around. I think eight assists, seven rebounds, something like that.
28:16
Speaker 2: Like he's actually playing some Luca Donchs type of basketball
28:19
Speaker 2: right now. Yeah. I'm not saying he's Luka Donchez, but
28:21
Speaker 2: he's playing like Luka Donchetz right now. And I think
28:25
Speaker 2: that's doing the Pistons well. But we're seeing a lot
28:27
Speaker 2: of guys. We're seeing a Sir Thompson, We're seeing Jalen Duran.
28:30
Speaker 2: We're seeing a lot of these guys really step up
28:31
Speaker 2: to the play and really get into their roles, and
28:33
Speaker 2: we're seeing a fluid basketball team. They've kind of they
28:40
Speaker 2: dropped again the other night, but they were on a
28:42
Speaker 2: roll before that one. I think they won like what
28:45
Speaker 2: nine in a row, nine in a row before they
28:47
Speaker 2: lost finally to no They beat the Celtics. I forgot
28:51
Speaker 2: who they lost to. I think it was just some
28:52
Speaker 2: random team, to be honest with you, but also a Nuggets. Yeah,
28:57
Speaker 2: and then this other this part in the Eastern Conference,
29:01
Speaker 2: I think a team that we I expect to be
29:03
Speaker 2: better come playoff time, it's gonna be the Orlando Magic.
29:07
Speaker 2: I think the Orlando Magic also have dealt with a
29:10
Speaker 2: lot of injuries, fans Wagner being out. Mo Wagner out
29:14
Speaker 2: for the rest of the season, I believe, or I
29:17
Speaker 2: think he is, let me check. And then we got
29:21
Speaker 2: Paulo was hurt for most of the season. We saw
29:23
Speaker 2: Jalen Sucks kind of take over the reins for a
29:24
Speaker 2: little bit. We saw pitt Sade kind of step up
29:28
Speaker 2: into that that center I forgot I start to step
29:31
Speaker 2: up into that that center role. He was really holding
29:34
Speaker 2: it down for a little bit, but it just became
29:35
Speaker 2: a lot for them, their defense and kind of big playmakers.
29:39
Speaker 2: And Paulo just didn't come back as the same guy.
29:41
Speaker 2: Uh when he first came back from injury. I don't know.
29:44
Speaker 2: I haven't really paid kept up with the Magic too
29:45
Speaker 2: much over the last couple of games, but I know
29:48
Speaker 2: that when he first came back, he wasn't the same
29:50
Speaker 2: guy he was before he got injured. And he was
29:52
Speaker 2: a ball in those first ten, twelve to thirteen games
29:56
Speaker 2: of the season started. And so it was Franz and
29:57
Speaker 2: I think he took a little bit to get and
29:59
Speaker 2: I think he's still struggling a little bit to kind
30:00
Speaker 2: of find his groove, so they haven't been as consistent.
30:03
Speaker 2: But I think as these next couple of games roll
30:05
Speaker 2: by the next couple of weeks, I think the Magic
30:07
Speaker 2: will be surely one of the best teams come in
30:10
Speaker 2: the Eastern Conference come playoff time. And another team that
30:13
Speaker 2: I hope keeps losing is the Atlanta Hawks, just only
30:16
Speaker 2: because of selfish reasons. If I'm being honest, I think
30:19
Speaker 2: that we have their first round draft pick. The Spurs do,
30:22
Speaker 2: so let's just keep losing games. Trey Young, we don't
30:24
Speaker 2: got to do nothing serious. Maybe get the assists total down.
30:26
Speaker 2: I'll be totally fine with that. I'll give you permission. So,
30:30
Speaker 2: but I think the Eastern Conference I like where it's
30:32
Speaker 2: at right now. I understand it's not as competitive. It's
30:34
Speaker 2: not as it's pretty close, but it's not as close
30:36
Speaker 2: as the Western Conference. But I think that top half,
30:39
Speaker 2: that top three teams, the Cavaliers, Celtics, and Knicks are
30:42
Speaker 2: all really good. I think the Knicks haven't cracked to
30:45
Speaker 2: be in the Celtics and Cavaliers level. Yet we see
30:47
Speaker 2: cor Anthony Towns have big games. We see Jalen Brunson
30:50
Speaker 2: have a lot of big games, but when they play
30:51
Speaker 2: the Celtics and Cavaliers, they tend to struggle quite a bit.
30:54
Speaker 2: And I think right now, going into the playoffs, as
30:58
Speaker 2: the Cavaliers and the Celtics show, I think these are
31:00
Speaker 2: gonna be the two teams that are gonna be there
31:01
Speaker 2: at the end. Right now, the Calves, oh my, the
31:04
Speaker 2: Calves are playing some crazy basketball right now. Yeah, And
31:08
Speaker 2: it's like team basketball, Donovan Mitchell. Everyone's playing their role,
31:12
Speaker 2: which is kind of the big important thing. Darius Garland's
31:16
Speaker 2: having your resurgence in points scoring. I think I did
31:18
Speaker 2: say that. I did think I said Darius Garland needs
31:21
Speaker 2: to score more, Like he just has to score more
31:24
Speaker 2: before I can put him back into a contention of
31:26
Speaker 2: one of the top point guards in the NBA. And
31:28
Speaker 2: he's doing exactly that right now. But Donovan Mitchell, Donovan
31:31
Speaker 2: Mitchell right now top five, maybe a top five scorer
31:34
Speaker 2: in the entire NBA. He almost sold my parlay the
31:36
Speaker 2: other night, going six for eighteen and zero for six
31:39
Speaker 2: from three. But versus the versus the Charlotte Hornets of
31:43
Speaker 2: all teams, but he has played had a great season
31:47
Speaker 2: this year Van Mobley. I don't think Edvan mobley potential.
31:51
Speaker 2: His potential is high. His potential was high, but I
31:55
Speaker 2: don't think he's even reached that yet. And he's playing
31:57
Speaker 2: some great basketball. I think offensively he's averaging around twenty
32:01
Speaker 2: twenty one a game, and then defensively, I mean he
32:03
Speaker 2: might win, he might win Defensive Player of the Year
32:06
Speaker 2: of asterisk big asterisk next to it. Let's just say
32:10
Speaker 2: that big still gonna get thet I'll remember, I'll remember,
32:15
Speaker 2: I'll remember who was supposed to win Defensive Player of
32:18
Speaker 2: the Year two years in a row. I'll remember that.
32:21
Speaker 2: But Edvan Mobley looking like the clear runaway right now.
32:24
Speaker 2: He's being completely locked down. Him and Jared Allen are
32:26
Speaker 2: protecting the paint like no other in the NBA besides
32:29
Speaker 2: one man does it all better than both of them combined.
32:33
Speaker 2: But I digress. I digress. But Jared Allen and Edit
32:37
Speaker 2: Mobley are doing their thing defensively. I think that's why
32:40
Speaker 2: teams struggle against them, is that they can throw so
32:42
Speaker 2: many at you. The acquisition of DeAndre Hunter gives him
32:46
Speaker 2: that big, solid wing who could knock down jumpers and
32:48
Speaker 2: get to the rack kind of just create his own shot.
32:50
Speaker 2: He just plays in the flow of the offense and
32:52
Speaker 2: it kind of works for them. He's good defensively. So
32:55
Speaker 2: DeAndre Hunter, I didn't know me and DeAndre Hunter had beef,
32:58
Speaker 2: to be honest, though we haven't talked about it, me
33:00
Speaker 2: and DeAndre Hunter have beef. We have a lot of
33:02
Speaker 2: beef heat Tech. He's beating Tech in the National Championship
33:07
Speaker 2: and he and he dunked on Wimby.
33:08
Speaker 1: I'm not cool with that.
33:09
Speaker 2: I'm not cool with that. So if I ever see
33:11
Speaker 2: DeAndre Hunter in person, I'm gonna give him some some
33:14
Speaker 2: some some words that I have. But it's okay. DeAndre Hunter,
33:18
Speaker 2: I didn't know we had beef. But he's been a
33:20
Speaker 2: great acquisition for this Cleveland Cavaliers team. Yeah, they're just
33:25
Speaker 2: rolling right now. The Boston Celtics, we know what they are.
33:27
Speaker 2: But Boston Celtics, the way they're shooting the three, the
33:30
Speaker 2: way they' shooting the three right now, dude, Paying Prichard
33:34
Speaker 2: and Derek White, let's just let's just say, go back
33:37
Speaker 2: a couple of games ago, even Yeah, go back a
33:42
Speaker 2: couple of games ago, and you all see what we're
33:44
Speaker 2: talking about. The Celtics are shooting the three ball better
33:46
Speaker 2: than anyone in the entire NBA. They just have shooters
33:48
Speaker 2: all over the court. They can throw mismatches at you.
33:51
Speaker 2: Right now, I my Jason Tatum has gone down quite
33:55
Speaker 2: a bit. I will say, I will say I understand,
33:58
Speaker 2: I understood it before, but my blinders were on, my
34:02
Speaker 2: haters were on. Let's just say that my haters were on.
34:05
Speaker 2: And I still not the biggest Jason Tatum fan. But
34:09
Speaker 2: what he's doing right now, what he's able to do
34:11
Speaker 2: on the court, He's able to do whatever he wants.
34:13
Speaker 2: Let's just be completely on it. He's not doing anything flashy,
34:16
Speaker 2: You're not doing nothing crazy. All he's doing is getting
34:18
Speaker 2: buckets and playing good defense and getting rebounds. He's he's
34:21
Speaker 2: just doing everything he needs to do for this Boston
34:23
Speaker 2: Celtics team, and everyone else is falling behind. Chris Tops
34:26
Speaker 2: is playing great basketball right now. He's finally a little
34:29
Speaker 2: bit healthy. So it's just I mean, those top two teams,
34:33
Speaker 2: Cleveland and Boston, I think there it's gonna be a
34:35
Speaker 2: fun playoffs. So they meet up in the conference finals.
34:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I definitely think it's gonna be a two
34:40
Speaker 1: man race. But as far as everything else from three
34:43
Speaker 1: to six. I feel like there's gonna be one team
34:46
Speaker 1: that we're gonna be surprised within the playoffs. I feel like, yeah, Pacers,
34:51
Speaker 1: you can't. Okay, I found this stat right here as
34:54
Speaker 1: far as with Tyre's Halliburton. So every time Tyre's Halliburton
34:58
Speaker 1: he shoots four threes a game or makes four threes
35:00
Speaker 1: a game, they're nineteen and seven. That's a sixty win pace.
35:04
Speaker 1: And whenever they don't, or whenever he doesn't shoot more
35:07
Speaker 1: than four threes or make more than four threes, it's
35:09
Speaker 1: a below five hundred record throughout an eighty two game season. So,
35:14
Speaker 1: like you were saying with Darius Garland, he needs to
35:16
Speaker 1: be more aggressive. If Tyree's Halliburn is aggressive, that's what
35:19
Speaker 1: really unlocks his true superpower, which is playmaking. And so
35:24
Speaker 1: if Tyre's Halliburn can stay aggressive in this offense, no
35:27
Speaker 1: matter who you put him up against, I think they're
35:30
Speaker 1: gonna score on anybody. The biggest thing is can they
35:32
Speaker 1: get crucial stops in the big time moments. And I
35:35
Speaker 1: just still think if whenever, if they maybe the Knicks,
35:40
Speaker 1: I'm not as confident in the Knicks. Let me just
35:44
Speaker 1: say this real quick, So the Knicks are zero to
35:46
Speaker 1: twelve against the top four teams in the Eastern and
35:49
Speaker 1: Western Conference. So the Cavs, Celtics, thunder Lakers, So I
35:54
Speaker 1: think any other team they're more they could beat the
35:56
Speaker 1: Knicks sick. Honestly, the Knicks, they they're looking like a
35:59
Speaker 1: first round exits to me, not only because you're Jalen
36:03
Speaker 1: Brunson dependent, but you're playing Tom Thibodeaux has an eight
36:07
Speaker 1: man rotation in March.
36:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Carl Anthony Towns is also struggling fouls. I
36:15
Speaker 2: mean sometimes he's kind of inconsistent. I think he defers
36:17
Speaker 2: to Jalen Brunson a lot. So it's kind of like
36:19
Speaker 2: they're playing good together. They're beating up on a lot
36:22
Speaker 2: of teams, but when it comes to playing the top teams,
36:24
Speaker 2: that is, they just don't have another guy like Michel
36:27
Speaker 2: Bridges isn't what we thought he was going to be
36:29
Speaker 2: outside of playing San Antonio in Christmas Day, but other
36:32
Speaker 2: than that, he really hasn't played like that again since
36:36
Speaker 2: that time.
36:37
Speaker 3: Or here, I have these.
36:38
Speaker 1: Stats for Caro Anthony Towns, so against the teams that
36:41
Speaker 1: are not the top four, twenty six points a game,
36:44
Speaker 1: fourteen rebounds, fifty three percent from the field and a
36:47
Speaker 1: plus four h two plus minus against the top four teams,
36:51
Speaker 1: sixteen points a game, eleven rebounds, forty six percent from
36:55
Speaker 1: the field, and minus one hundred plus minus. So, like
36:59
Speaker 1: you were saying, they don't have anybody else step up,
37:02
Speaker 1: and I just think that they went all in to Okay,
37:06
Speaker 1: I like the moves at the beginning of the season,
37:08
Speaker 1: but you also didn't know Luka, Doncic, Kevin Durant, those
37:12
Speaker 1: guys are gonna be up for a potential trade package
37:15
Speaker 1: right there. So but I think they're stuck. Michel Bridges,
37:19
Speaker 1: you have to pay him. You gave up what five
37:22
Speaker 1: five six draft picks. Then Odiannabe he got a damn
37:25
Speaker 1: near max contract. Karl Anthony Towns gonna get a max contract.
37:29
Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson's coming up next. Honestly, I think the Knicks
37:33
Speaker 1: had a better shot than what they did, or they
37:35
Speaker 1: had a better shot last year to win the title
37:37
Speaker 1: than this year because because the cash weren't as good
37:41
Speaker 1: it was. It was just the Celtics, really and they
37:44
Speaker 1: couldn't beat the Pacers. But Giannis he's back and healthy.
37:47
Speaker 1: The Pistons are gonna only get better. From here, and
37:51
Speaker 1: so I just think that.
37:53
Speaker 2: Going to be in the playoffs.
37:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, the magic, They're the only thing that I'm concerned
37:57
Speaker 1: with with the magic is not necessarily defense. Is they
38:01
Speaker 1: just can't score. Outside Apollo.
38:03
Speaker 2: They yeah, that score I meant, but yeah, it's not
38:08
Speaker 2: I think outside of those two guys, they don't really
38:10
Speaker 2: have anyone that can create for themselves. About being completely honest.
38:13
Speaker 1: They're just they're play finishers. They're not play makers, if
38:17
Speaker 1: that makes sense. I feel like that's the biggest difference
38:20
Speaker 1: right there. But also another thing I think I think
38:23
Speaker 1: I texted you as far as the Calves, they're forty
38:26
Speaker 1: seven or zero when after leading in the third quarter
38:30
Speaker 1: of a game. So this team knows how to close
38:33
Speaker 1: some damn games. And I just think that, Okay, I'm
38:37
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go in and rant this real quick. So
38:38
Speaker 1: I think that the Calves I've seen enough as far
38:41
Speaker 1: as against these top teams. I think they're legit, especially
38:44
Speaker 1: after what they did against Boston down twenty two in Boston.
38:48
Speaker 1: I think what it was about a week or two ago,
38:50
Speaker 1: something like that.
38:51
Speaker 2: I think last no, yeah, its ago.
38:54
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, something like that. And I just think, like
38:57
Speaker 1: you were saying with Donovan Mitchell, he could score at
38:59
Speaker 1: any point, But at the same time, he's not being
39:02
Speaker 1: ultra aggressive. He's letting the other guys around him get
39:06
Speaker 1: their buckets if it's the open, if it's the right play.
39:09
Speaker 1: He's playing right basketball. Kenny Atkinson, he brought that Golden
39:12
Speaker 1: State system over to the Cleveland Cavaliers, and like you're saying,
39:16
Speaker 1: with the defense. So honestly, I I feel like Cleveland
39:22
Speaker 1: and Cleveland and Boston it's gonna be a seven game
39:25
Speaker 1: series in the Eastern Conference Finals. I'm gonna leave it
39:28
Speaker 1: up to that. But Okay, are you buying the Calves
39:31
Speaker 1: as legit?
39:33
Speaker 2: No? I am like legit in him. They have every
39:35
Speaker 2: piece you need to kind of even if we go
39:37
Speaker 2: down to the bench, you got Max shrew some mony
39:39
Speaker 2: baits when he needs to play. We have a Rome. Yeah,
39:43
Speaker 2: we have guys that can just step up to the plate.
39:45
Speaker 2: For the Cleveland Cavaliers that kind of have been great,
39:47
Speaker 2: solid rotational pieces, and I think the way that they're
39:50
Speaker 2: set up, we see the Clevian Cavaliers like either Darius Garlon,
39:52
Speaker 2: Donovan Mitche or on the court at all almost all times.
39:55
Speaker 2: So Spoon's always on the court that's able, and once
39:59
Speaker 2: you get down to start of the game and the
40:01
Speaker 2: end of the game, they're both on the court together.
40:02
Speaker 2: So there's always a flow of a flow of someone
40:05
Speaker 2: on a floor of the team that doesn't take a
40:08
Speaker 2: step back. Rather they're they're staying kind of stagnant for
40:11
Speaker 2: the most part. And we see Evin Mobiley and Jerry
40:12
Speaker 2: Allen did the same thing. We see one of them
40:14
Speaker 2: on the court, we see the other one on the court.
40:15
Speaker 2: It just kind of they they keep bodies on the
40:18
Speaker 2: court to compete with anybody, and we've seen that with
40:20
Speaker 2: the best and we've kind of, like he say, like
40:23
Speaker 2: like you said, they brought that that Golden State Warriors
40:25
Speaker 2: system over to Cleveland. It it kind of shows, i
40:30
Speaker 2: mean not in a three point standpoint, but in the
40:32
Speaker 2: flow of the offense, able people moving, finding their spots,
40:35
Speaker 2: getting open, creating a lot of a lot of good
40:38
Speaker 2: opportunities for for for all your teammates. And we're seeing
40:42
Speaker 2: that Donovan Mitchell is not forcing a lot of shots
40:44
Speaker 2: right now, even though when he needs to he can
40:46
Speaker 2: do it. I mean, he should have stopped the other
40:49
Speaker 2: night because he almost screwed me over. But we will
40:52
Speaker 2: say most of the time he's able to kind of
40:54
Speaker 2: just he's if he needs to take over a game,
40:57
Speaker 2: he will. We saw that in the playoffs last year.
40:59
Speaker 2: I think where he was putting up forty points, forty points,
41:04
Speaker 2: he never came off, He never came off the court,
41:07
Speaker 2: so it was just he he definitely, he definitely has
41:12
Speaker 2: take taken a step up. I will say, Donovan, I
41:15
Speaker 2: think this is the best Donleman mitchal we've seen in
41:16
Speaker 2: the entirety of his career. If I'm being completely honest,
41:19
Speaker 2: and then like you're saying the three through six, none
41:24
Speaker 2: of them really pop out to me. If I'm being
41:26
Speaker 2: completely honest, I had the Knicks as someone that I
41:29
Speaker 2: really look forward to seeing. They they played great basketball.
41:31
Speaker 2: I'm not taking that away from them. There at one
41:33
Speaker 2: point they were the number one offense in the entire NBA.
41:36
Speaker 1: They were still top ten in both both off.
41:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just they don't I don't They're not gonna
41:45
Speaker 2: like make these drastic like out of the roum, like
41:49
Speaker 2: have these drastic games where they're gonna step up to
41:52
Speaker 2: the play and like blow a team away. It's just
41:54
Speaker 2: kind of like every game's close, every game is a nail. Bier.
41:58
Speaker 2: Every game is coming down to the end, and it's like,
42:00
Speaker 2: I think it's still on the shoulders of Jalen Brunton. Yeah,
42:03
Speaker 2: so much of the time. I think we thought a
42:06
Speaker 2: lot of it was gonna get given to Karl Anthony
42:09
Speaker 2: Towns when they made this move. But I still think
42:11
Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson still still try and still really having to
42:16
Speaker 2: take take on a lot of the pressure when it
42:18
Speaker 2: comes to crunch time and when the game matters the most.
42:22
Speaker 3: Yeah.
42:22
Speaker 1: I was just looking at Jalen Brunt's ankle injury, how
42:25
Speaker 1: he got it against the Lakers. So it's about a
42:27
Speaker 1: two week injury. So we're gonna see how good the
42:30
Speaker 1: Knicks can do. And I know they have a four
42:33
Speaker 1: game lead over the Bucks right now, but their offensive
42:36
Speaker 1: looks so stagnant without and I would put the Knicks
42:39
Speaker 1: in a just in a playoff setting, I would put
42:42
Speaker 1: them underneath the Bucks and the Pistons because personally me,
42:46
Speaker 1: I feel like you have two guys in Kate Cunningham
42:49
Speaker 1: and then Giannis who could take over a playoff setting
42:52
Speaker 1: environment more than a Jalen bruns and have more pieces
42:56
Speaker 1: around them, if that makes sense, that better supports them
43:00
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. If Karl Anthony Towns plays how
43:02
Speaker 1: he played last year in the playoffs, then okay, cool,
43:04
Speaker 1: then they should be good. They could maybe make an
43:06
Speaker 1: Eastern Conference Finals run. But I don't I just don't
43:10
Speaker 1: see that happening. I really don't see that happening. So
43:13
Speaker 1: I definitely trust the Bucks more because Giannis. We're gonna
43:17
Speaker 1: talk about our top ten players in a second, but
43:20
Speaker 1: he's for sure one of the best players in the league,
43:22
Speaker 1: and he hasn't been healthy these last two postseasons. So
43:26
Speaker 1: if anything, we're kind of underrating the Bucks.
43:28
Speaker 3: Just a little bit here because because he he.
43:32
Speaker 1: Kind of added like a mid range shot, not necessarily,
43:36
Speaker 1: but like a mid range floater game shot that's gonna
43:39
Speaker 1: make him even more ensemble in a playoff setting. Is
43:43
Speaker 1: you're my good by the way, I don't think I
43:45
Speaker 1: don't think I could hear you. Hello, Okay, okay, yeah,
43:47
Speaker 1: ok yeah, yeah, okay, yeah no, but all right. Also
43:54
Speaker 1: one more thing, shoutout to Kobe White for putting up
43:56
Speaker 1: forty four against Orlando match the other day, seven threes,
43:59
Speaker 1: no turn over his shot, Scott, Everybody's gonna be a
44:03
Speaker 1: future Spur. Okay, okay, I know this is like really,
44:08
Speaker 1: I know, this is like really nerdy right here. As
44:10
Speaker 1: far as like basketball that I'm watching, I've been keeping
44:13
Speaker 1: up with these lottery teams, the Raptors. The other day,
44:17
Speaker 1: I feel like it was just karma. I just want
44:19
Speaker 1: to bring this up. They were going I forgot who
44:22
Speaker 1: they were going up against. There were ten points against somebody,
44:26
Speaker 1: and they had in Scottie Barnes, RJ. Barrett, and they
44:29
Speaker 1: had an Emmanuel. Quickly they took all three of those
44:31
Speaker 1: guys out. And there's this one guy I can't think
44:34
Speaker 1: of his name. He was on a ten day contract
44:37
Speaker 1: and he had a game winning buzzer beater against this team.
44:41
Speaker 1: So it just shows the basketball guys, even though you
44:44
Speaker 1: try to tank, you cannot tank.
44:46
Speaker 2: You cannot.
44:47
Speaker 1: No, They're like, nah, this isn't happening. Yeah no, Okay,
44:52
Speaker 1: one more thing as far as because we really don't
44:55
Speaker 1: talk about the bottom feeder teams. Okay, so out of
44:59
Speaker 1: Pelicans as Hornets, Wizards, we.
45:03
Speaker 2: Haven't even talked about the West yet.
45:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you know, we haven't talked about yet. But okay,
45:08
Speaker 1: your question to say this, who would you rather see
45:11
Speaker 1: Cooper flag.
45:12
Speaker 2: Go to San Antonio?
45:16
Speaker 1: If you can't include the Spurs.
45:17
Speaker 2: Fine, all right, are the teams again.
45:19
Speaker 1: The Pelicans, Jazz, Raptors, Hornets and Wizards.
45:23
Speaker 2: Would you rather see Cooper Flags?
45:26
Speaker 1: Because we really showed no love to these teams right here,
45:29
Speaker 1: so give them some recognition here.
45:33
Speaker 2: None of them teams, I mean, come on, let me
45:40
Speaker 2: because him and Scotty Barnes I don't think would do
45:42
Speaker 2: a lot like. I think they would be good. I
45:43
Speaker 2: think they would be a solid combo together. But you
45:46
Speaker 2: need more pieces than just Cooper Flag and Scottie Barnes.
45:49
Speaker 2: And I don't want to see anyone. I don't want
45:53
Speaker 2: to see anyone go to the Hornets if I'm being
45:54
Speaker 2: completely honest. Hey, maybe the.
45:58
Speaker 3: Pelicans, the Pilligans, I I do like, I do like.
46:02
Speaker 2: And then John Jay Murray will come back next season.
46:04
Speaker 2: I don't know actually what his contract is going into
46:06
Speaker 2: next season. Yeah, he'll be back, but I don't know
46:09
Speaker 2: if he'll be the same. We still see how their
46:11
Speaker 2: defensive players all around them. The thing is Zion's gonna
46:15
Speaker 2: be the question mark. I mean always gonna be the
46:18
Speaker 2: question mark. Everybody's really honest. Brandon Ingram he got traded? No,
46:23
Speaker 2: is he still there? Yeah?
46:24
Speaker 1: He's on the Raptors.
46:24
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I think there was so much
46:25
Speaker 2: of him going around getting traded that I thought I
46:28
Speaker 2: select him to get traded in the off seasons for sure.
46:32
Speaker 2: Low key, I'm not mad at the Washington Wizards, if
46:35
Speaker 2: I'm being honest, Like I think, I think Alexander Sawer
46:39
Speaker 2: has been playing good. Bilaal Kalalapi has been playing good.
46:42
Speaker 2: I think maybe these are the young group that he
46:44
Speaker 2: can grow with and kind of learn from, not learn from,
46:46
Speaker 2: but grow with. They become a solid team together. It's
46:48
Speaker 2: gonna take some time. It's gonna take a lot of time.
46:50
Speaker 2: I think we've seen the I thinks trying to rush
46:53
Speaker 2: it with the Spurers, and we've seen like a lot
46:56
Speaker 2: of fans get mad. But with the Wizards, maybe him
46:59
Speaker 2: going there could be a solid as solid place to
47:02
Speaker 2: go and then maybe grow with a team. It's just
47:05
Speaker 2: that I don't want to see him go to any
47:07
Speaker 2: of these teams. It's just like I don't want to
47:08
Speaker 2: see any top prospect go to any of these teams,
47:10
Speaker 2: So like, I'm not gonna be excited for none of them.
47:13
Speaker 2: Let's just hope he goes to the Like let's say
47:17
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pick what I'm gonna be the Toronto Raptors
47:19
Speaker 2: because they're more consistently a better team. It's just I think,
47:23
Speaker 2: and they have pieces. They have pieces, Yeah, they have
47:25
Speaker 2: these RJ. Barrett, Scottie Barnes, Manuel Quickly. So I would
47:30
Speaker 2: say the Toronto Raptors would be the team I would
47:33
Speaker 2: want him to go to, just because I feel like
47:34
Speaker 2: his career would be the most safe in Toronto.
47:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, all right, Well that's just a little
47:40
Speaker 1: bit about some of those bottom feeder teams right there.
47:42
Speaker 2: But okay, I feel like Utah could be a good team,
47:45
Speaker 2: but they just I don't know what goes on in Utah.
47:47
Speaker 2: That's that's just the thing.
47:49
Speaker 1: Like Utah doesn't play nobody though. Yeah, the other day
47:53
Speaker 1: against the Wizards, they said, Laurie Marking, Kete, George Walker, Kestler,
47:58
Speaker 1: Jordan Clarkson.
47:59
Speaker 2: They're protecting them ass before they trade him.
48:01
Speaker 1: They're doing yeah, no for real. So they set out
48:04
Speaker 1: everybody but U All right, let's go ahead and get
48:08
Speaker 1: into the west right here. All right, So first off,
48:12
Speaker 1: I just want to start with this. I just want
48:14
Speaker 1: to start with this. The Oklahoma City Thunder. Okay, shake
48:19
Speaker 1: gilri Us Alexander is Okay, it's a two part question.
48:23
Speaker 1: Here are the Thunder legit title contenders as far as
48:27
Speaker 1: winning three to four playoff rounds, and is shake Gyilgas
48:31
Speaker 1: Alexander the MVP.
48:32
Speaker 2: They are a legit continder, Oklahom State Thunder are definitely
48:35
Speaker 2: a legit contender. I think they'll be healthy at the
48:39
Speaker 2: right time. Hartenstein and Chet will both be on the
48:41
Speaker 2: court at the same time. Kind of the same mold
48:43
Speaker 2: that there's an Evan Mobile not to the same level
48:45
Speaker 2: of an Evan Moble and Jared Allen, because I think
48:46
Speaker 2: Isaiah Hartenstein's a great red protector, great rebounder, but I
48:49
Speaker 2: don't think he's on the level of Jared Allen if
48:51
Speaker 2: I'm being completely honest. Yeah, he's a good basketball He's
48:54
Speaker 2: a great basketball player. If Chet Holme Green, that's arguably
48:59
Speaker 2: toe to toe with him and Evan Mobley when they're
49:01
Speaker 2: their best. I think maybe a little better, maybe a
49:04
Speaker 2: little better.
49:05
Speaker 1: He's a little bit better offensively.
49:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's already We've already seen more flashes
49:08
Speaker 2: from Chet than we've seen from Evan Mobley of full potential,
49:12
Speaker 2: I can say that, Yeah, But every looking at the
49:14
Speaker 2: rest of the team. We have guys that know their roles.
49:16
Speaker 2: SGA's definitely obviously may end up the MVP. If I'm
49:21
Speaker 2: being honest, he may. He's probably gonna be him and
49:23
Speaker 2: Yokic between them too, I don't think anyone else is
49:25
Speaker 2: gonna be in contention for the for the most apid
49:28
Speaker 2: player this year, But so it's between them two. I
49:31
Speaker 2: will say he's up there for MVP. I'm not gonna
49:33
Speaker 2: say he is the MVP because Kitch is thirty twenty
49:36
Speaker 2: and twenty the other night. I think that's hard to
49:38
Speaker 2: argue you against. And he's doing that almost every night,
49:41
Speaker 2: but not to twenty twenty, but definitely the fifteen fourteen, fifth,
49:44
Speaker 2: thirteen twelve, you know, like every single night where rebounds
49:47
Speaker 2: in the SIB thunder Thunder we got Jdubb. I think JDub.
49:55
Speaker 2: I think a lot of it rests on the shoulders
49:57
Speaker 2: of JDub if I'm being completely honest, which will make
49:59
Speaker 2: our break them. I think we know Sga is gonna
50:02
Speaker 2: bring every single night. He's probably had the deepest bag
50:04
Speaker 2: in the entire NBA. When it comes to offensively, he
50:07
Speaker 2: gets to his spots, he creates his own shots, solid
50:10
Speaker 2: three point shooter, able to get to the rim. He
50:12
Speaker 2: does everything you want from an offensive basketb player, passes
50:15
Speaker 2: the ball, chet chat, We know what he can do
50:18
Speaker 2: when he's on. It's just Jalen Williams. I think he's
50:25
Speaker 2: too inconsistent for me sometimes. I think that's gonna be
50:28
Speaker 2: whether he can find his shot gaming and game out
50:31
Speaker 2: when the playoffs start, if he can be that solid
50:34
Speaker 2: one points a game player that we think we know
50:36
Speaker 2: he can be. He's good defensively, he can guard almost
50:39
Speaker 2: one through four and pretty consistently. It's just I think
50:43
Speaker 2: that offensive game sometimes lacks and it kind of holds
50:46
Speaker 2: a thunder back a little bit. But I do think
50:48
Speaker 2: the other guys on the court makeup a lot for it.
50:50
Speaker 2: Like Alex Caruso will be back healthy. I don't know
50:52
Speaker 2: if he healthier for sure come playoff time. Isaiah Joe
50:57
Speaker 2: plays his role, the other j doub plays his role.
51:00
Speaker 2: It's just a lot of it. I think they are
51:03
Speaker 2: a legit contender. They're gonna struggle a little bit against
51:06
Speaker 2: LA and obviously Denver, and I mean, I mean, honestly,
51:10
Speaker 2: we'll talk about more of these teams here in a second.
51:12
Speaker 2: Why they may struggle, But the Alos Thunder for Oklahoma
51:15
Speaker 2: City Thunder on a legit contender.
51:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. My biggest thing whenever I did the
51:21
Speaker 1: Tierless the other day is not necessarily shay Shae is
51:25
Speaker 1: one of the oldest or the second oldest guy on
51:27
Speaker 1: the team, and I think he's gonna get his buckets
51:30
Speaker 1: no matter what. Like you're saying, can the Isaiah's Joe
51:33
Speaker 1: step up and still have that fifteen point per games scoring?
51:36
Speaker 1: Can Aaron Wiggins do that? Can Check Holmgren have the
51:38
Speaker 1: twenty points? Can can JDub do that?
51:40
Speaker 3: Like like you said?
51:42
Speaker 1: And as far as with their defense, I know their
51:44
Speaker 1: defense is at a historic pace right now, but when
51:47
Speaker 1: it gets down to a playoff setting, playoff environment, there's
51:50
Speaker 1: gonna be less turnovers. It's gonna be a slow down,
51:53
Speaker 1: half court offense. So you're gonna have to create more
51:57
Speaker 1: or your defense is gonna have to do a lot more.
51:59
Speaker 1: But because there's gonna be a lot more pressure on them,
52:02
Speaker 1: these veteran teams in the regular season, let's just be real,
52:06
Speaker 1: they're not gonna they're not gonna care as much. They're not,
52:09
Speaker 1: but they're gonna tighten up the screws come mid March,
52:12
Speaker 1: April and then we're gonna really see. But I think
52:16
Speaker 1: that for sure they're gonna win two rounds here. And
52:20
Speaker 1: like you're saying, as far as their weakness, it's physical teams.
52:24
Speaker 1: Physical teams. That's what it is. And let's go in
52:27
Speaker 1: and talk about it right here. The Lakers and the
52:30
Speaker 1: Denver Nuggets. Here, these two are the biggest threats, in
52:34
Speaker 1: my opinion, to the Oklahoma City Thunder. If you had
52:37
Speaker 1: to pick one of them, who would it be. I know,
52:39
Speaker 1: we saw the Nuggets play the Thunder yesterday and okay,
52:43
Speaker 1: I know the score. It look it looks very it
52:46
Speaker 1: looks very like landsliding. But through the first or through
52:50
Speaker 1: the first three quarters in four minutes in it was
52:53
Speaker 1: damn close the entire time. So if you had to
52:56
Speaker 1: pick Lakers are Nuggets, who's the bigger threat?
53:00
Speaker 2: I think we want to go to Los Angeles Lakers
53:02
Speaker 2: and what they've been doing over the last month two
53:05
Speaker 2: months easily the best basketball team in the entire I mean,
53:09
Speaker 2: Cleveland's doing their thing, but Los Angeles Lakers easily arguably
53:13
Speaker 2: the top three basketball team in the entire NBA. Yeah,
53:16
Speaker 2: I mean Lebron James, I mean he's Andrewsy he's gonna
53:19
Speaker 2: be out for a week or two. We've already seen
53:20
Speaker 2: that happen, So they may, they may drop a couple
53:23
Speaker 2: of games. I will say, but I think Luca is
53:26
Speaker 2: this is his time where he can kind of take over,
53:28
Speaker 2: kind of step up into the plate and kind of
53:30
Speaker 2: lead this team to a couple couple wins till he
53:32
Speaker 2: comes back. But Lebron, James Luka, Doncics, dude, I don't
53:37
Speaker 2: think we expected it to be good basketball. We're in
53:41
Speaker 2: great basketball, but we didn't expect it to be Exemple
53:44
Speaker 2: three basketball. We expected to be Both these guys are
53:49
Speaker 2: eight expect from from either of them together. At least
53:53
Speaker 2: we thought one of them was going to take a digression.
53:56
Speaker 2: Since that, it's been Luca. It's been the digressive ye
53:59
Speaker 2: one that's taken a step back, and Lebron's elevated. Lebron
54:02
Speaker 2: I think looks the most comfortable he's ever looked playing
54:05
Speaker 2: alongside a superstar. Because I think we're really gonna talk
54:09
Speaker 2: about it, this is the best player. I don't want
54:11
Speaker 2: to say that. I'm gonna get a lot of hate
54:13
Speaker 2: for this. The best player those Los Angeles Lakers have
54:18
Speaker 2: had outside of Lebron James is Luka Doncics, and you
54:23
Speaker 2: can bring up a career. I get it. But if
54:25
Speaker 2: we're looking at peaks, who's the best player the Lakers
54:28
Speaker 2: have ever had, I'm talking about peak player. You say
54:31
Speaker 2: Shaq's the most dominant. Luka Doncics is the top three
54:34
Speaker 2: scorer in the history of basketball, in the history of
54:37
Speaker 2: basket ball, and we're seeing that. I think we're seeing
54:41
Speaker 2: that playing alongside the greatest player of all time, he's able.
54:45
Speaker 2: They're both able to create for everybody. We thought Jackson
54:49
Speaker 2: Hayes was gonna be a problem, No, I think this
54:52
Speaker 2: pick and re action, this relations get these from both
54:55
Speaker 2: of them. Him creating a lot of space, setting screens,
54:58
Speaker 2: setting up good shots for Lebron games, and both Luka
55:01
Speaker 2: don Chiz everyone's getting wide open don't connect. Looks comfortable
55:04
Speaker 2: right now. Austin Reeves is going back to instead of
55:06
Speaker 2: being that that number one, number two score on some nights,
55:10
Speaker 2: he's taking a step back. He's able to play inside
55:12
Speaker 2: of a role. A number three and number four get
55:14
Speaker 2: wide open three point shots, and especially when they come
55:16
Speaker 2: off the court. It's a good player to have with
55:18
Speaker 2: your second unit and Austin reeves to be able to
55:21
Speaker 2: let everything flow through him. And I think this team
55:24
Speaker 2: is kind of set up. It's set up for success,
55:27
Speaker 2: It's set up for complete success. I think it looked
55:30
Speaker 2: from the outside, Hey, this interior offense is interior defense.
55:34
Speaker 2: But we forget Lebron and Luca are some pretty damn
55:36
Speaker 2: good rebounders, completely honest, they're they're They're able to get
55:40
Speaker 2: the get boards up there with a lot of and
55:43
Speaker 2: a lot better than the most big men in the
55:45
Speaker 2: entire NBA. I mean, Lebron James is able to do everything.
55:48
Speaker 2: Let's let's be on Luca Dongs is able to do
55:50
Speaker 2: everything besides the the their defense, we're gonna take a
55:53
Speaker 2: step back, well not necessarily the number one defense over
55:56
Speaker 2: the month of February, so it's just kind of fifteenth.
56:00
Speaker 1: They've been the number one defense, so yeah.
56:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I believe they were the top three off
56:05
Speaker 2: top three offense. So yeah, there, And we saw them
56:07
Speaker 2: versus the New York Knicks. I understand that it was
56:09
Speaker 2: a lot closer than probably the Lakers would have liked,
56:11
Speaker 2: but still we were able to see Sometimes we see
56:15
Speaker 2: the Lakers when the game gets close. Other teams kind
56:18
Speaker 2: of overwhelmed them. No, this definitely looked like, no, we're
56:21
Speaker 2: gonna go toe to toe with you. We have two
56:23
Speaker 2: guys that can get whatever they want on the basketball court.
56:26
Speaker 2: And this looks like the best Lebron James we've seen
56:28
Speaker 2: in a couple of years. It's not just I understand.
56:31
Speaker 2: Earlier in the season he struggled. He definitely struggled good.
56:34
Speaker 2: I think trying to do a little too much after
56:36
Speaker 2: having that great start to the season with all the
56:38
Speaker 2: triple doubles they did not I believe in like November
56:40
Speaker 2: and like a little bit of December, the November December range,
56:43
Speaker 2: he struggled. But right now Lebron James is playing like
56:48
Speaker 2: arguably the best player in basketball, arguably the best player
56:51
Speaker 2: in basketball at the age of forty years old, forty one,
56:54
Speaker 2: forty forty. Yeah, I mean it don't matter. He's up there. Yeah,
56:57
Speaker 2: I mean, he's up there, and he's still up there
56:59
Speaker 2: with anybody. And I think the Los Angeles Lakers are
57:02
Speaker 2: definitely going to be a scary team come playoff time.
57:05
Speaker 1: Yeah. No. And I think the biggest thing, like you're
57:07
Speaker 1: saying as far as with Lebron, is that Lebron he
57:09
Speaker 1: doesn't have to create all of the offense for the
57:12
Speaker 1: Lakers here. Like the other day against the Knicks, in
57:15
Speaker 1: crunch time two minutes left, Lebron James was wide open
57:19
Speaker 1: in a corner. When have you ever seen that throughout
57:23
Speaker 1: his entire career, Lebron James being in the corner. So
57:27
Speaker 1: I think that just shows everything. And Lebron, Okay, now
57:31
Speaker 1: he's able to be more aggressive and he could pick
57:34
Speaker 1: and choose his spots because he knows at the end
57:36
Speaker 1: of games, Luca he's gonna be the one handling the ball.
57:40
Speaker 3: And I think this injury, it's okay.
57:42
Speaker 2: Well, obviously it's more.
57:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, and okay, if Lebron James is fine, I think
57:48
Speaker 1: this is kind of a blessing in the skies because
57:51
Speaker 1: Lebron James he's been going crazy this past month and
57:54
Speaker 1: a half, maybe two, and Luca he's still kind of
57:58
Speaker 1: working himself in shape. Gonna have Luca he's gonna have
58:01
Speaker 1: the ball in his hands, damn near all the time now,
58:04
Speaker 1: and Lebron he gets to rest up a little bit.
58:07
Speaker 1: So even if they fall to maybe the four or
58:10
Speaker 1: five seed, you go up against the Rockets, you go
58:12
Speaker 1: up against the Warriors, Honestly, I don't think that's that
58:16
Speaker 1: big of a deal any any team, even including the
58:19
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City Thunder. I think that they'll be perfectly fine
58:22
Speaker 1: with them because one thing that they have that no
58:25
Speaker 1: other team in the NBA has is two top ten
58:28
Speaker 1: players on the exact same team right now.
58:31
Speaker 3: They they don't.
58:32
Speaker 1: And okay, we talked about the Lakers here. Let's talk
58:36
Speaker 1: about that.
58:38
Speaker 2: That Luca donets comment, But statistically, statistically, I'm not lying.
58:44
Speaker 2: I'm not live.
58:46
Speaker 1: If you like individuals.
58:48
Speaker 2: One's had the most all NBA teams to start their career,
58:51
Speaker 2: No one's that's all I gotta say. No one's been
58:54
Speaker 2: consistently in the top three MVP. Lucas should be an
58:57
Speaker 2: MVP right now. Lucas should be an MVP all right ready.
59:01
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can back you on that
59:02
Speaker 1: one there, Josh. I'd still take Cob, I still take
59:05
Speaker 1: Cober or Shack.
59:06
Speaker 2: I can do that. At least I take a guy.
59:08
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll take Shack. I'll take Shack. I'll give
59:12
Speaker 2: people Shack. Yeah, but Luca, it all does he does,
59:18
Speaker 2: he does consistently more consistently.
59:22
Speaker 3: Oh okay, just pure pure game.
59:27
Speaker 1: Okay, your game.
59:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, your game.
59:33
Speaker 1: Who's a better defender, though, Kobe, Kobe, Luca by far,
59:41
Speaker 1: Luca by far, exactly exactly.
59:43
Speaker 2: Who's a better rebounder, Luca?
59:46
Speaker 1: Luca is a better rebound He's a better passer, Luca,
59:49
Speaker 1: He's He's.
59:50
Speaker 2: Definitely the better pass exactly exactly.
59:54
Speaker 3: No, I don't know, I don't know.
59:56
Speaker 1: I don't know, magic magic Johnson.
1:00:00
Speaker 2: That's arguable, that's arguing. That's arguably better than that's arguably
1:00:04
Speaker 2: better than Luca. That's arguable. I mean, he didn't win
1:00:06
Speaker 2: an MVP his first his Rooky Yere So yeah, I'll
1:00:09
Speaker 2: give you, Okay, I over exaggerated. He's the third best
1:00:12
Speaker 2: player they probably had, second or third best player they've
1:00:15
Speaker 2: ever had outside of Lebron James. Lebron James is the
1:00:18
Speaker 2: best player they've ever had. I mean, he's a great
1:00:20
Speaker 2: player of all time. But it's not and there's another
1:00:23
Speaker 2: debate for another day. We're not debating this right now.
1:00:24
Speaker 2: We do this every day in the with Fonso's dad
1:00:27
Speaker 2: and Alfred. We're not arguing this right now, but I
1:00:30
Speaker 2: don't know that their brains so tired from arguing Lebron
1:00:34
Speaker 2: and MJ every single day. I'm done with that.
1:00:36
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's some people that no, no, never mind,
1:00:39
Speaker 1: never mind, never mind. Let's let's not bring that up
1:00:41
Speaker 1: all right, Let's just talk Nuggets basketball right here. Nuggets basketball,
1:00:44
Speaker 1: Nicola Jokic, Okay, So the Denver Denver they struggled at first,
1:00:49
Speaker 1: then they just found their stretch. Now they're on fire
1:00:52
Speaker 1: right now. And just Nicola Jokic is let's not let's
1:00:56
Speaker 1: not hide it. He's the best player in basketball right now.
1:00:59
Speaker 1: The thirty twenty. Jamal Murray's playing at a different level
1:01:03
Speaker 1: right now. But their biggest issue is the defense. Do
1:01:06
Speaker 1: you think that think that they could get the defense
1:01:09
Speaker 1: cleaned up the way I'm gonna close my curtains real quick.
1:01:11
Speaker 2: Go ahead, you're good, and they get their defense cleaned up.
1:01:13
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be a struggle for them to
1:01:15
Speaker 2: get their defense completely cleaned up. I think there's too
1:01:18
Speaker 2: many teams in the West that have too many go
1:01:21
Speaker 2: to players. I mean, if we look at the thunder
1:01:23
Speaker 2: SGA chet, I think a lot of teams are gonna
1:01:25
Speaker 2: struggle against in the in the in the playoffs. So
1:01:31
Speaker 2: sga chet, we got we go to the Memphis Grizzlies.
1:01:34
Speaker 2: I mean the Grizzlies kind of struggle in the same
1:01:36
Speaker 2: way offensively as the Nuggets do defensively, so that may
1:01:38
Speaker 2: be a matchup. But yeah, I think as far as
1:01:41
Speaker 2: the Nuggets defense, they're gonna struggle against a couple of
1:01:46
Speaker 2: players in the Western Conference. I just think it's gonna
1:01:49
Speaker 2: be like Stephen Curry, Anthony Edwards, Senston can take over.
1:01:54
Speaker 2: I think I think Sat guns eats against a team
1:01:57
Speaker 2: like the Denver Nuggets. I think he probably has some
1:01:59
Speaker 2: of his better games against teams like the Denver Nuggets
1:02:01
Speaker 2: who kind struggle in the interior. As much as we
1:02:03
Speaker 2: love nikolakicch he's definitely the best player in the NBA. Defensively,
1:02:07
Speaker 2: my god, Like, it's it's so bad. It's it's it's
1:02:10
Speaker 2: not it's not the best. It's not the best. We
1:02:12
Speaker 2: will say that. And then defensively is the question mark.
1:02:15
Speaker 2: I can't really give you a definite answer if they
1:02:17
Speaker 2: will clean it up because I think that's been their
1:02:18
Speaker 2: struggle before. I think that's been the question mark always before.
1:02:22
Speaker 2: Is defensively, interior wise, So I don't know, I can't
1:02:26
Speaker 2: give you that answer.
1:02:28
Speaker 1: And I think just that, okay, I think that they
1:02:32
Speaker 1: could still win but their offense has to be perfect
1:02:34
Speaker 1: damn near every possession because they're gonna give up. It's
1:02:38
Speaker 1: gonna be looking like the Phoenix series or or against
1:02:41
Speaker 1: Phoenix the other day in overtime where it was like,
1:02:43
Speaker 1: what one forty nine.
1:02:46
Speaker 3: Something like that.
1:02:48
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just think that Nuggets they had to
1:02:50
Speaker 1: play perfect offensive basketball. But when you have Jokic, you
1:02:54
Speaker 1: damn near make that possible having perfect basketball.
1:02:56
Speaker 3: But all right, I know we're gonna talk Warriors. We
1:02:59
Speaker 3: always Warriors.
1:03:00
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to show love to these smaller teams
1:03:03
Speaker 1: right here, Grizzlies and Rockets right here. Out of these
1:03:06
Speaker 1: two and the Grizzlies out of these two teams right now,
1:03:11
Speaker 1: who would you be more confident in a playoff series Grizzlies.
1:03:16
Speaker 2: Rot That's tough. That's a tough question. I will say,
1:03:19
Speaker 2: I think they're both the same mold, like, I think
1:03:22
Speaker 2: they're both in the same part of the basketball team.
1:03:25
Speaker 2: I only they both have former Spurders coaches. If I'm
1:03:28
Speaker 2: being completely completely honest with you, I.
1:03:30
Speaker 3: Know Taylor, yeah, oh shoot, yeah, you're right.
1:03:35
Speaker 2: Yeah. So let them just saying we're everywhere. I'm just
1:03:39
Speaker 2: saying we're everywhere. We're technically in the playoffs, but he
1:03:42
Speaker 2: may Taylor Jenkins, Tyres and Zach ed Jelean Green, Jun Moriran,
1:03:52
Speaker 2: I don't know. They're the exact same team. You're the
1:03:54
Speaker 2: exact same team. I think the Rockets maybe have a
1:03:57
Speaker 2: little bit more potential when it comes to scoring. Yeah,
1:04:00
Speaker 2: just because Sam Goon's a good, great offensive player. Jalen
1:04:04
Speaker 2: Green has those certain games where he just decides to
1:04:07
Speaker 2: take over randomly and hit all the biggest shots we've
1:04:10
Speaker 2: seen a men Thompson, I mean he just got or
1:04:13
Speaker 2: got hurt. I'm in are the one on.
1:04:16
Speaker 1: The Ann Thompson, Yeah he got hurt.
1:04:19
Speaker 2: Thompson's got hurt. Yeah, so that but that's not that
1:04:23
Speaker 2: big of a dude. I don't know, Like this is
1:04:26
Speaker 2: weird question. This is a weird question. Who might trust
1:04:28
Speaker 2: more in the playoffs? Who've seen the Rockets?
1:04:31
Speaker 1: Well, you at least you've seen the Grizzlies in in
1:04:34
Speaker 1: the playoffs before. You've seen him three three, four years
1:04:37
Speaker 1: in the playoffs.
1:04:38
Speaker 2: I must say that Memphis Grizzlies. I do think John
1:04:40
Speaker 2: Morants probably the best player on the court out of
1:04:43
Speaker 2: both teams. Jared Jackson Junior is definitely the best defensive
1:04:47
Speaker 2: player out of all teams. I mean, obviously the former
1:04:49
Speaker 2: defensive Player of the Year I believe twice two times
1:04:52
Speaker 2: one time defensive player one of the two. But he's
1:04:55
Speaker 2: definitely up there. I think we see a couple of
1:04:57
Speaker 2: the other players, like Zach Edy, he's able to come in.
1:05:01
Speaker 2: He's not he doesn't play a ton, but he definitely
1:05:03
Speaker 2: comes in when they need a great rim protection against
1:05:06
Speaker 2: bigger players. And he's he can kind of get his
1:05:08
Speaker 2: own offensively every once in a while. And at Vig
1:05:11
Speaker 2: what's his name, what's the.
1:05:14
Speaker 1: Sea?
1:05:16
Speaker 2: That dude's nice. Let me tell you that dude's basketball.
1:05:21
Speaker 2: He was giving it him and him and Edie when
1:05:24
Speaker 2: they were throwing bodies at Wimby Jaron Jackson, Edie and
1:05:28
Speaker 2: that guy throwing bodies the other one of the couple,
1:05:32
Speaker 2: like a month ago they the Spurs played them. Dude,
1:05:35
Speaker 2: it was there was just one after another, like just
1:05:38
Speaker 2: like one switching over to Finn the other one was
1:05:42
Speaker 2: like on offense, they're just giving it up. It was
1:05:44
Speaker 2: just it was pretty cool basketball to watch between those three,
1:05:47
Speaker 2: and I think we're gonna see that a lot because
1:05:48
Speaker 2: they can throw throw those type of bodies at a
1:05:51
Speaker 2: lot of smaller teams, and I think that's that's gonna
1:05:53
Speaker 2: be true. Yeah, So when when there's like dominant, dominant
1:05:57
Speaker 2: big men, they definitely are have bodies to be able
1:05:59
Speaker 2: to contend and kind of keep them a little tired.
1:06:01
Speaker 2: And I think I told you that. I think that's
1:06:03
Speaker 2: what they're they're they're kind of I was seeing that
1:06:05
Speaker 2: against Wimby. They were just a lot of people because
1:06:08
Speaker 2: there's only him out there most of the time when
1:06:10
Speaker 2: Wimby was playing for the Spurs, So they were able
1:06:13
Speaker 2: to keep at least one of these or two of
1:06:15
Speaker 2: these guys on the court all that wants to guard Winby.
1:06:17
Speaker 2: And we've seen that against Nikola Jokics, they're gonna have
1:06:20
Speaker 2: an easy time. I think like that against the Lakers
1:06:23
Speaker 2: and maybe the Thunder. I think the Thunder, I mean,
1:06:25
Speaker 2: if Hartenstein and chet are both healthy, it's gonna be
1:06:27
Speaker 2: a lot harder to do. But they definitely are able
1:06:31
Speaker 2: to do that against teams that probably are a lot
1:06:33
Speaker 2: that most of the times are better than them. Yeah,
1:06:36
Speaker 2: and then Desmond Bane reach his own shot, so it's
1:06:39
Speaker 2: they have a couple of piece pieches. So I will
1:06:41
Speaker 2: go with the Grizzlies as the better team.
1:06:43
Speaker 1: Just random shout shout outs to j Jayden Wells or
1:06:45
Speaker 1: Jalen Wells, just random perimeter defense legend.
1:06:48
Speaker 3: Just that's that's it.
1:06:49
Speaker 2: That's I mean he I mean, if if if Stephan
1:06:53
Speaker 2: king Castle wasn't in the wasn't a rookie this year,
1:06:57
Speaker 2: Jalen would definitely be up there for Rookie of the Year.
1:06:59
Speaker 2: But Stefan cast that him, Timothy Jordan, Himmothy James, Timothy Curry,
1:07:05
Speaker 2: all of them combined.
1:07:07
Speaker 1: All right, well, let's go in and talk about Okay,
1:07:09
Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about the Rockets, Grizzlies. All right,
1:07:12
Speaker 1: the Warriors and or you know what, just the Warriors.
1:07:15
Speaker 1: Right here, the Warriors are ten and two since Jimmy
1:07:17
Speaker 1: Butler arrives. So are you buying the Golden State Warriors?
1:07:22
Speaker 2: Now? I think the West is so top heavy. I'm
1:07:26
Speaker 2: not gonna get ahead of myself, but definitely it boostered.
1:07:31
Speaker 2: It gave him a big boost. I think. Defensively, we
1:07:33
Speaker 2: know what, Jimmy Butler is one of the best two
1:07:35
Speaker 2: way players in the game, like bar None. We've known
1:07:39
Speaker 2: that his entirety of his career. He was the defensive
1:07:41
Speaker 2: player before he was an offensive player. He uh and
1:07:45
Speaker 2: offensively he's able to do. I think he's able to
1:07:48
Speaker 2: play in a flow of an offense now, he's able
1:07:49
Speaker 2: to take a lot of Steph Curry is now. He's
1:07:53
Speaker 2: never played with the player as good as Steph Curry.
1:07:56
Speaker 2: Let's just say that, he's never known a lot of
1:07:57
Speaker 2: people never have played player as good as freaking Curry.
1:08:01
Speaker 2: But Jimmy Butler not being the main focal point, Tyler Harrow,
1:08:05
Speaker 2: He's good, he's good, he's a he's a good basketball player.
1:08:08
Speaker 2: But deeth and Curry what he's able to do creat shots,
1:08:11
Speaker 2: able to everything. I mean, Stephan freaking Curry. I think
1:08:14
Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler is definitely able to play in the flow
1:08:16
Speaker 2: in offense a lot more and it creates a lot
1:08:18
Speaker 2: of open opportunities for Jimmy Butler, and I think that's
1:08:21
Speaker 2: why we're seeing the Warriors create a lot of success
1:08:24
Speaker 2: with these two guys both on the court at the
1:08:26
Speaker 2: same time. I think it's kind of the struggles we
1:08:28
Speaker 2: saw with the Warriors with Klay Thompson. I think Klay Thompson,
1:08:33
Speaker 2: we knew what he was when he was in his prime,
1:08:35
Speaker 2: able to not create his own shot, but he was
1:08:38
Speaker 2: such a deadly shooter and still that great defensive player
1:08:41
Speaker 2: that it was able to make up for a lot.
1:08:43
Speaker 2: But now with Jimmy Butler, you get you get. You
1:08:45
Speaker 2: don't get that three point shooter, but you get a
1:08:47
Speaker 2: way better offensive player and a better defender.
1:08:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, for sure. And I'll just say that even
1:08:53
Speaker 1: whenever Steph Curry goes to the bench, he's able to
1:08:57
Speaker 1: generate that offense and everybody else whenever Pods was having
1:09:01
Speaker 1: to be a number two, Kamina hasn't even been back
1:09:03
Speaker 1: yet that.
1:09:05
Speaker 3: He's able to be the clear number two.
1:09:06
Speaker 1: So you have these role players that are officially in
1:09:09
Speaker 1: their roles now and they could flourish in their roles
1:09:12
Speaker 1: instead of having to over overstep. And so, all right,
1:09:18
Speaker 1: is there anybody else in this conference? Because we have
1:09:21
Speaker 1: the Temples, Clippers, Kings or you know what, let's talk
1:09:24
Speaker 1: about the Mavericks for the quick Kyrie Irthon went out,
1:09:28
Speaker 1: torn Aco out for the year, Anthony Davis he may
1:09:31
Speaker 1: be shut down for the season.
1:09:33
Speaker 3: So and the Dallas, according to.
1:09:36
Speaker 1: Nico Harrison, they were had a two to three year
1:09:39
Speaker 1: championship window and realistically this year's gone. Kyrie Irving won't
1:09:44
Speaker 1: be back to probably around this year again or this
1:09:48
Speaker 1: time around again, So next year's probably gone. So so
1:09:52
Speaker 1: how are you feeling about the Dallas Mavericks.
1:09:55
Speaker 2: Maybe the dumbest move in NBA history, if I'm being
1:09:58
Speaker 2: completely honest, Anthony Davis didn't even continue to be injury prone.
1:10:02
Speaker 2: I think Kerry Irving, I feel bad. But now Torney
1:10:07
Speaker 2: cl getting up there in age, it's gonna be hard.
1:10:09
Speaker 2: It's gonna I don't. I think he's a great enough
1:10:12
Speaker 2: basketball player where it's not gonna matter. But like, but
1:10:15
Speaker 2: in the long run, Carry Irving may not be Like
1:10:19
Speaker 2: it's it's hard when you get older to tear an
1:10:21
Speaker 2: ACL and you keep playing. Yeah, they don't have a
1:10:26
Speaker 2: real piece to build around anymore. It's all you gotta
1:10:29
Speaker 2: load up right now. Klay Thompson is old, Like, I'm
1:10:32
Speaker 2: pretty sure he's gonna win out after this season. So
1:10:35
Speaker 2: I really doubt, I really doubt that this Dallas Mavericks
1:10:38
Speaker 2: team even is in championship contention. We're gonna see them
1:10:41
Speaker 2: fall quite a bit. They've lost five in a row already,
1:10:44
Speaker 2: so I think we're gonna see them fall quite a bit,
1:10:47
Speaker 2: and they may even get into like a like lottery range.
1:10:52
Speaker 2: So once this is all done, so, uh, the Mavericks,
1:10:56
Speaker 2: I don't know what they were thinking. I mean, you
1:10:59
Speaker 2: just made the Lakers probably the best team in the
1:11:00
Speaker 2: NBA while making yourself are your little worst team in
1:11:05
Speaker 2: the NBA.
1:11:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's still something that's gonna be a question,
1:11:10
Speaker 1: but no, I just wanted to bring that up and then,
1:11:11
Speaker 1: all right, anything else before we get into this last topic.
1:11:16
Speaker 2: Sons Troubles or Spurs Pelicans.
1:11:18
Speaker 1: No, I think we're good, all right, so this one
1:11:21
Speaker 1: it's a little bit different right here.
1:11:23
Speaker 2: Son's gonna get it back into the top ten.
1:11:26
Speaker 1: I think they can, especially with the Mavericks falling, Kyrie
1:11:29
Speaker 1: being out now there's nobody really to create offense for them.
1:11:33
Speaker 1: The Suns, I don't know the Suns schedule who they have,
1:11:36
Speaker 1: but I think they I think they play the Mavericks
1:11:39
Speaker 1: coming up, uh one, one or two more times, so
1:11:44
Speaker 1: they could definitely make up ground.
1:11:45
Speaker 3: I'll say that, dude.
1:11:47
Speaker 2: If we thought April ninth, Luca going back to the
1:11:49
Speaker 2: Mavericks was going to be like easy bro and it's
1:11:53
Speaker 2: about to be a blood bath.
1:11:55
Speaker 1: No, I know it's about and well it's April ninth,
1:11:59
Speaker 1: you said April ninth, right, Oh, no, Lebron, he'll be
1:12:01
Speaker 1: bad by now, he'll be back by if it was
1:12:04
Speaker 1: just purely Luca, I'm betting that over as far as
1:12:09
Speaker 1: it would probably be like thirty five and a half
1:12:11
Speaker 1: point something like that. No, but all right, well, last
1:12:15
Speaker 1: topic right here. All right, So it's two different guys
1:12:19
Speaker 1: that said.
1:12:20
Speaker 2: You don't want to talk to me or what you
1:12:21
Speaker 2: don't want to talk about. Where we're at on awards
1:12:24
Speaker 2: right now?
1:12:25
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, yeah, oh yeah, I forgot to mention that.
1:12:28
Speaker 1: Okay, MVP, dp O Y Rookie of the Year, Coach
1:12:33
Speaker 1: of the Year six man, K, Well you got.
1:12:38
Speaker 2: M VP right now. I think it's I can't pick
1:12:41
Speaker 2: between the two right now. I think both are so
1:12:44
Speaker 2: I'll let you make that decision. But now I think
1:12:46
Speaker 2: it's between SGA and nicolajk. I think we've seen both
1:12:48
Speaker 2: of them what they can do. SGA, I believe, is
1:12:52
Speaker 2: he the top score in the NBA right now? Yeah,
1:12:54
Speaker 2: he's the number one. He's the leading school in the
1:12:55
Speaker 2: NBA right now, still rebounding, still the assistant Nicola Jokicic
1:12:59
Speaker 2: the I mean, come on, we don't really got thirty
1:13:01
Speaker 2: twenty twenty the other night. We don't talk much about
1:13:03
Speaker 2: Nigeli jok some I think it's between those two right
1:13:05
Speaker 2: now for MVP, for me Stefan Castle, Rookie of the Year.
1:13:10
Speaker 2: It's a runaway right now. I think I don't think
1:13:11
Speaker 2: anyone else is any anywhere near close. In the last
1:13:15
Speaker 2: two months of basketball, I mean, let's look, I believe
1:13:18
Speaker 2: with the last like five games, last over six games,
1:13:23
Speaker 2: this has been in stat line, well.
1:13:24
Speaker 1: Definitely definitely, Yeah, been balling this entire time.
1:13:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh twenty two points, five assists, seven rebounds, twenty
1:13:33
Speaker 2: four assists, seven assists, three rebounds, thirty two points, three assists,
1:13:36
Speaker 2: eight rebounds, seventeen points, six assists for rebounds, twenty five points,
1:13:39
Speaker 2: three assists, two rebounds, twenty points, four assists, seven rebounds,
1:13:41
Speaker 2: and while being the best defensive player I believe in
1:13:44
Speaker 2: this entire draft class, I think he s guards every
1:13:47
Speaker 2: team's best player game in and best perimeter player game
1:13:52
Speaker 2: in and game out. And he's honestly able to guard
1:13:55
Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of bigger players because he's
1:13:57
Speaker 2: sixty six and he has great athleticism, so Bro every
1:14:01
Speaker 2: time he drives to the rack Bro. I think he's
1:14:03
Speaker 2: got He tries dunking it like every single time, like
1:14:07
Speaker 2: it's just like there's no question about and then when
1:14:09
Speaker 2: he just switches to a layup, so it's just like
1:14:12
Speaker 2: he's like, oh no, never mind, I ain't gonna get there,
1:14:14
Speaker 2: or he draws a foul. We saw him. He attacked
1:14:16
Speaker 2: Nazrie like four times. He drew like three fouls like
1:14:20
Speaker 2: on Nasriy just that doing that alone.
1:14:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about.
1:14:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So Stephan Castle for me, easily the best
1:14:27
Speaker 2: rookie this year. I mean, Jack McCain, we know the
1:14:30
Speaker 2: injuries happened, and Stefan Castle is running away with it
1:14:33
Speaker 2: right now. And I believe he's playing like a player
1:14:36
Speaker 2: that should be, like he should be playing a year
1:14:37
Speaker 2: two right now. So he's definitely easily for me, the
1:14:41
Speaker 2: rookie of the year. Defensive player of the Year.
1:14:43
Speaker 3: Emo, Jared Jackson.
1:14:45
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about defensive player of the
1:14:47
Speaker 2: year right now.
1:14:47
Speaker 1: You don't want to talk about defensive player of the year.
1:14:51
Speaker 2: You could you could make that, you could say, okay,
1:14:54
Speaker 2: well I ain't saying I ain't saying nothing. When it
1:14:57
Speaker 2: comes to this award for another year, already another year year. Yeah,
1:15:02
Speaker 2: I understand the rules. I understand sixty five games, I
1:15:05
Speaker 2: understand it. I agree with it.
1:15:07
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. But in.
1:15:10
Speaker 2: The NBA, the Victor Yama ain't nobody better at defense
1:15:14
Speaker 2: than victorin Bin Yama. You you give me Dyson Daniels
1:15:18
Speaker 2: and you give me Evan Mobley combined, It's still not
1:15:20
Speaker 2: as good as Victor win Ben Yama. So I don't care.
1:15:25
Speaker 2: I don't care. I'm going with Evan Mobley. Let's just
1:15:28
Speaker 2: say that, I'm going with Evan Mobile and I'm not
1:15:30
Speaker 2: giving you nothing else because I'm not defending Evan Mobley
1:15:32
Speaker 2: because it's an astros, just like Rudy Gobar's was last year,
1:15:35
Speaker 2: and just like Evan Mobley's is this year.
1:15:37
Speaker 1: How how is Rudy go bears last year? They both
1:15:43
Speaker 1: played sixty five games.
1:15:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, the one reason women didn't win it is because
1:15:46
Speaker 2: of record.
1:15:48
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it's kind of it's kind of part of it.
1:15:50
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:15:51
Speaker 1: No, no, no, that that would have been the argument
1:15:55
Speaker 1: this year too for Emo.
1:15:57
Speaker 2: No, no, Wimby would have won. Wimby would have wanted.
1:16:00
Speaker 3: I'm not saying.
1:16:01
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he wouldn't have won it, but that
1:16:02
Speaker 1: would have been the argument. If anything.
1:16:04
Speaker 2: No, it was the lie, like minus ten thousand to
1:16:06
Speaker 2: start the season, something.
1:16:08
Speaker 3: Like something ridiculous.
1:16:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was stayed around there like for
1:16:12
Speaker 2: most of the season. Like I think it was like
1:16:13
Speaker 2: minus six thousand something like.
1:16:15
Speaker 1: It was it was him and Check and then Check
1:16:17
Speaker 1: got hurt so his just disappeared and then yeah, then
1:16:21
Speaker 1: Emo was No, Jared Jackson was the closest. He was
1:16:24
Speaker 1: like plus twelve thousand something like that. It was You've
1:16:27
Speaker 1: never seen lines like that before. No, but okay, my MVP,
1:16:32
Speaker 1: it would be for sure Shay. I think Shay is
1:16:34
Speaker 1: running away with this. And let me say this, Yes,
1:16:37
Speaker 1: Jokic Nicole Joki maybe the best player in the NBA,
1:16:41
Speaker 1: but it doesn't always go to the best player in
1:16:43
Speaker 1: the NBA. Yeah, Lebron would have more MVPs. Mj would
1:16:47
Speaker 1: have more MVPs, Kobe would have more MVPs, Duncan would
1:16:52
Speaker 1: have more MVPs. So I just think that he's just
1:16:56
Speaker 1: having the better season as of this year and they're
1:16:59
Speaker 1: on pace.
1:17:00
Speaker 2: Would have.
1:17:02
Speaker 1: Steve Nash, Steve.
1:17:07
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I'm just being a hater. We would
1:17:10
Speaker 2: have more MVPs.
1:17:11
Speaker 1: Honestly, probably two because that one in seven when he
1:17:16
Speaker 1: won over Chris Paul, then Steve Nash the second year,
1:17:20
Speaker 1: oh five oh six. Honestly, I think he might have
1:17:23
Speaker 1: just end up ended up with two m v ps.
1:17:26
Speaker 3: I think that's it. Mm hmm, that's what that's when
1:17:30
Speaker 3: Lebron took over. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:17:33
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year Stefan Castle a k Modus Bseella's
1:17:36
Speaker 1: all right defensive player of the year. Coach of the Year,
1:17:39
Speaker 1: I would probably say Mark Dagnot won it last year.
1:17:42
Speaker 2: Didn't say Coach of the Year.
1:17:44
Speaker 1: I'd probably give it j J Reddick or no, I'd
1:17:47
Speaker 1: give it to Kenny Atkinson.
1:17:49
Speaker 2: I think I think JJ Reddick, Jamie Bakers staff. I
1:17:54
Speaker 2: understand the record, understand record. Yeah yeah, but where the
1:17:59
Speaker 2: Pistons are at, where they're at now Dad's coach of
1:18:02
Speaker 2: the year. I mean clearly we're there. I mean they've
1:18:05
Speaker 2: been building this team for a while.
1:18:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know, honestly. Yeah, you know what
1:18:11
Speaker 1: my stamp is, jab Baker Staff. If that they won't
1:18:14
Speaker 1: they almost lost damn near twenty games in a row
1:18:17
Speaker 1: last year.
1:18:18
Speaker 3: Damn near damn near twenty games in a.
1:18:20
Speaker 2: Row last year, who lost three? Saying what Mitch Johnson.
1:18:30
Speaker 1: Coach of the year. I'm I'm not even gonna bring
1:18:34
Speaker 1: up freaking Billy Donovan.
1:18:35
Speaker 3: But no, all right, quick, quick one right here?
1:18:37
Speaker 1: All right, quick top before we get out of here,
1:18:39
Speaker 1: all right, okay, quick? So Lebron, he said, the NBA
1:18:43
Speaker 1: media creates weird energy around the face of the league's title,
1:18:46
Speaker 1: and that's why nobody wants to be the face of
1:18:48
Speaker 1: the league. And also Channing Fry, he said, nostalgia is
1:18:52
Speaker 1: ruining the NBA and the coverage. So do you agree
1:18:56
Speaker 1: with any of that or what are your opinions?
1:18:58
Speaker 2: So the NBA makes it hard for face of the league.
1:19:00
Speaker 2: I know, I don't think they make it hard. I
1:19:03
Speaker 2: just think too many of the older guys are still good, Like,
1:19:08
Speaker 2: let's be honest, like they're still too good. Like, you know,
1:19:10
Speaker 2: Stephen Curry already has a cult friend. I mean, Lebron James,
1:19:14
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, like Lebron James. You know, I
1:19:17
Speaker 2: think a lot of these guys are still in the league.
1:19:19
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant even are still in the league, and they're
1:19:21
Speaker 2: still playing at these high levels. That's really been hard
1:19:24
Speaker 2: for anyone to take over, and the guys that we
1:19:26
Speaker 2: expect to take over besides one man obviously, because you
1:19:31
Speaker 2: know he's the best in the league. If we're really talking,
1:19:34
Speaker 2: Nicoleon Kisch doesn't want to be facing the league. I mean,
1:19:37
Speaker 2: Anthony Evis outright said, I don't want to be face
1:19:40
Speaker 2: in the league. And then Jason Tatum, he tries, he
1:19:43
Speaker 2: tries the league, he just doesn't get that same get out.
1:19:48
Speaker 2: It's like he just doesn't have that same aura. Yeah,
1:19:54
Speaker 2: he just doesn't have that same aura. And then I
1:19:57
Speaker 2: mean Colin Kaward liked he would you say, he said.
1:20:00
Speaker 1: Oh, he said, he said, close your eyes. He said,
1:20:03
Speaker 1: you could imagine Michael Jordan highlight or you could imagine
1:20:07
Speaker 1: something magic Johnson, Lebron James.
1:20:10
Speaker 3: It's like, when you think of Jason Tata, what do
1:20:12
Speaker 3: you think of nothing?
1:20:14
Speaker 1: You think of nothing. There's no disrespect of Jason Datum here,
1:20:20
Speaker 1: but like, let's keep let's keep it a buck here.
1:20:24
Speaker 2: I did see something Jason Tatum isn't that same where
1:20:28
Speaker 2: he won't be facing the league kind of in the
1:20:30
Speaker 2: same way Duncan won't be facing the league.
1:20:32
Speaker 3: I could see that, Yeah, I could see that.
1:20:34
Speaker 2: Kind of like, but there's Duncan. Yeah, game fundamental. Jason
1:20:38
Speaker 2: Tatum plays a very fundamental game. He doesn't do nothing
1:20:41
Speaker 2: flashy on the clear, he just gets to his base
1:20:43
Speaker 2: and every shot. He should just good at everything, but
1:20:50
Speaker 2: the personalities just aren't. Yeah there, you know, it's kind
1:20:54
Speaker 2: of just like I mean, I think we're past the
1:20:58
Speaker 2: point of the honest being faced the league. I think
1:21:01
Speaker 2: younger players are starting to come to Like Lucas, your
1:21:08
Speaker 2: thing is you don't think an international player can be
1:21:10
Speaker 2: faced the league. I don't think.
1:21:12
Speaker 1: I don't think international. If so, it would have been
1:21:15
Speaker 1: jos Luca already. Yeah, but because there there are peak
1:21:21
Speaker 1: of their powers as of as of already Wimby I
1:21:24
Speaker 1: could see.
1:21:25
Speaker 2: I think Whenby's already.
1:21:28
Speaker 1: He's been Yeah, oh you think he's already the face
1:21:32
Speaker 1: of the league.
1:21:33
Speaker 2: Like he's not. I mean, they already had games in France,
1:21:37
Speaker 2: They've already played games in France. For Wimby, they've already
1:21:41
Speaker 2: played games in France. He was already being before he
1:21:45
Speaker 2: even got into the league. Yeah, he was being pushed
1:21:49
Speaker 2: like an insane amount. I mean, look at the Draft
1:21:51
Speaker 2: night lottery, like no no other NBA player, no other
1:21:55
Speaker 2: NBA draft prospect had that many cover had that much
1:21:58
Speaker 2: coverage or cameras inside of his inside of his draft
1:22:01
Speaker 2: in France. They went to France to go record his
1:22:04
Speaker 2: reaction to the draft, like and they interviewed him for
1:22:06
Speaker 2: a whole week leading up to this about it and
1:22:08
Speaker 2: even after like and then, San Antonio has played the
1:22:12
Speaker 2: most televised games they played in the five years combined.
1:22:16
Speaker 2: In the last two years, he's already the most watched
1:22:21
Speaker 2: player in the NBA on online outside of Lebron James
1:22:26
Speaker 2: in the entire NBA. He I mean, I don't know.
1:22:30
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's any player that's being covered
1:22:33
Speaker 2: as much as Victor woman Yama in the entire NBA
1:22:35
Speaker 2: no matter. I mean, he hasn't even reached his full
1:22:37
Speaker 2: potential yet either, so which is the crazy part.
1:22:40
Speaker 3: I don't know.
1:22:40
Speaker 2: I just think that he's I'm not saying it's because
1:22:42
Speaker 2: I'm a fan. Yeah, I'm just saying because like you see,
1:22:46
Speaker 2: it's out there, it's right there, you know, like in
1:22:49
Speaker 2: front of your face.
1:22:51
Speaker 1: That's that's the one guy that I as far as internationally,
1:22:54
Speaker 1: I could see being potential face of the league. Because
1:22:58
Speaker 1: that's my biggest argument as far as Wimby, he's being
1:23:02
Speaker 1: pushed more than what Jokids Gianni's Sja Luka, those guys
1:23:06
Speaker 1: have ever been pushed, like Jokis Gianna say've already won
1:23:10
Speaker 1: a ring, they won MVPs before, so they're in the
1:23:13
Speaker 1: peak of their powers right now. So if anything, they
1:23:16
Speaker 1: should be face the league right now because if anything,
1:23:19
Speaker 1: you didn't wait for whin Lebron when Jordan, when those
1:23:22
Speaker 1: guys started winning championships to be face of the league.
1:23:25
Speaker 1: They were faced the league before before they even started.
1:23:28
Speaker 1: Like what they're trying to do, as Anthony Edwards like,
1:23:31
Speaker 1: like what they're doing right there. So if anything, is
1:23:34
Speaker 1: just gonna be Ant or Wimby, unless maybe Cooper Flag
1:23:38
Speaker 1: ends up being this generational guy. But even at that,
1:23:41
Speaker 1: he hasn't had as much coverage, Like I know there's
1:23:43
Speaker 1: hype to him, but there's not Wimby level coverage. But
1:23:47
Speaker 1: also it's college basketball, so it's a little bit it's
1:23:50
Speaker 1: a little bit tricky.
1:23:51
Speaker 2: It's but I think Cooper Flag is gonna be good,
1:23:56
Speaker 2: really good. I think because he he's playing up a year,
1:24:01
Speaker 2: like he's not like, well, players reclass and go backwards. Yeah,
1:24:05
Speaker 2: and the way a year no he played up a
1:24:07
Speaker 2: year like so it's like he should be a senior
1:24:09
Speaker 2: in high school right now playing basketball. He's a freshman
1:24:12
Speaker 2: at college.
1:24:14
Speaker 1: Like averaging like seventeen eight and five something like that,
1:24:17
Speaker 1: like fifty cours flag.
1:24:19
Speaker 2: I think he and I think he's had. He's not
1:24:22
Speaker 2: just to have Wimby hype Lebron hype, but he definitely
1:24:25
Speaker 2: has like zig On level hype.
1:24:28
Speaker 3: Ooh yeah, I can see that. I can see that.
1:24:32
Speaker 3: I can for sure see that.
1:24:34
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just trying to think there's nobody else
1:24:37
Speaker 1: that really could be face of the league. There's there's
1:24:39
Speaker 1: nobody else really, it's just Wimby and Anthony Edwards, who
1:24:42
Speaker 1: already doesn't want the title.
1:24:44
Speaker 2: I will say I think John Moran was being pushed
1:24:46
Speaker 2: until he started doing his like stuff outside of the
1:24:50
Speaker 2: court and it kind of ruined it. And I think
1:24:53
Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards became the next person because I think it
1:24:57
Speaker 2: all LaMelo ball. I think could definitely push his face
1:24:59
Speaker 2: to the league if he was on a better team.
1:25:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, his personality is definitely there.
1:25:05
Speaker 2: His personality, but then also also like kids, like it's
1:25:09
Speaker 2: if you want to ask a little kid right now
1:25:11
Speaker 2: who their favorite player is they're gonna say Aunt or
1:25:13
Speaker 2: LaMelo Ball.
1:25:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's true.
1:25:15
Speaker 1: It's true.
1:25:16
Speaker 2: They're not gonna say anyone else. There's gonna be still
1:25:18
Speaker 2: kids that say Lebron and Stephen Curry.
1:25:20
Speaker 1: But it's it's rare.
1:25:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's and LaMelo Right now, they're wearing their shoes,
1:25:26
Speaker 2: they're watching their Bathketben, they're wearing their jerseys. They're there,
1:25:29
Speaker 2: and and LaMelo Ball are the ones that are getting
1:25:32
Speaker 2: the most rep when it comes to like the younger generation.
1:25:34
Speaker 1: You know what, LaMelo Ball, He's gonna kind of remind
1:25:36
Speaker 1: me of like as far as like play sound like influence,
1:25:39
Speaker 1: maybe not on the game, but James Harden, Like LaMelo Ball,
1:25:42
Speaker 1: he could be like a James Harden type of as
1:25:45
Speaker 1: far as play style. You see with these kids coming
1:25:48
Speaker 1: up in like high school, college, they're gonna be saying.
1:25:51
Speaker 3: Well, who'd you model your game after? LaMelo Ball. I
1:25:54
Speaker 3: could definitely see that right there, because.
1:25:55
Speaker 2: Its gonna be so bad for basketball.
1:25:57
Speaker 3: It is gonna be very bad for basketball.
1:26:00
Speaker 2: He's not a guy that that one of your game
1:26:02
Speaker 2: after Jason Tatum. I will just saying of your game
1:26:05
Speaker 2: after Jason TATUMF you're gonna play it, But you're gonna
1:26:06
Speaker 2: model your game after somebody.
1:26:08
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, no for sure.
1:26:10
Speaker 1: But all right, last thing as far as nostalgia killing
1:26:14
Speaker 1: the NBA.
1:26:15
Speaker 2: Dude, yes, bro, it kills the freaking group chat with
1:26:20
Speaker 2: the old heads, dude like okay, And then so many
1:26:24
Speaker 2: arguments in the barber shop a day, like I'm not
1:26:27
Speaker 2: not as much as I used to be in my
1:26:28
Speaker 2: older barber shop, but in this newer barber shop, I mean,
1:26:30
Speaker 2: we don't get as much just because of the setting,
1:26:32
Speaker 2: you know, Christian barber shop. But when I do get
1:26:35
Speaker 2: in arguments, oh my gosh, Jordan lovers, they just hold
1:26:39
Speaker 2: on to it so much, like they just hold on
1:26:41
Speaker 2: to what it used to nineties ye hard hitting erarow like,
1:26:45
Speaker 2: but they still went to the free throw line. They
1:26:47
Speaker 2: went to the free throw and they couldn't even double team,
1:26:49
Speaker 2: no zone coverages, nothing like like nothing like. It was
1:26:52
Speaker 2: just all one on one. It was all one on
1:26:54
Speaker 2: one basketball, every being completely honest, like man the man
1:26:57
Speaker 2: three eight pick and roll situations hit the post layup
1:27:01
Speaker 2: outside of Jordan's teams were still ran a triangle offense,
1:27:04
Speaker 2: so it ran through like a big man. Still like
1:27:06
Speaker 2: it still ran through a big man at a certain
1:27:08
Speaker 2: point so that they still hold onto that era of basketball.
1:27:12
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, Reggie Miller, Reggie Miller, Actually, Jim has
1:27:16
Speaker 2: one of the best shooters of all time.
1:27:17
Speaker 1: He's Reggie Miller averaged eighteen to three and three. Bro,
1:27:20
Speaker 1: that's Klay Thompson. That's that's that's less than.
1:27:24
Speaker 2: Thompson, and Klay Thompson still scored sixty on eleven dribbles.
1:27:28
Speaker 2: Like I'm just saying I let's just say that. But
1:27:32
Speaker 2: they're still holding on to that early to that nineties
1:27:35
Speaker 2: basketball where it's kind of like because those guys that
1:27:38
Speaker 2: watched nineties are still around like the age of thirty thirty,
1:27:41
Speaker 2: thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight years old, thirty eight
1:27:44
Speaker 2: years old, so they grew up around those time period
1:27:47
Speaker 2: forty so they're they're the older crowd that's just hating
1:27:50
Speaker 2: on the basketball today without realizing it's the best basketball player,
1:27:54
Speaker 2: that best basketball has ever been played. Look at how
1:27:56
Speaker 2: close all the teams are, like from top to bottom,
1:27:59
Speaker 2: all teams are really good. Like if you give me
1:28:01
Speaker 2: the Rockets or the Grizzlies three years ago, like six
1:28:05
Speaker 2: years ago, they're up there. They're gonna be up there
1:28:08
Speaker 2: when it comes to playing against certain teams, but they
1:28:12
Speaker 2: look at it as like, oh, all they shoot is threes.
1:28:14
Speaker 2: The only team that shoots threes like like a super
1:28:16
Speaker 2: high level was the Boston Celtics, like they were being
1:28:19
Speaker 2: the Boston Celtics, and that's because they're good at doing it.
1:28:21
Speaker 2: Like I mean, the thunder get up there too, and
1:28:25
Speaker 2: they're actually at a higher They're the only team at
1:28:27
Speaker 2: a higher clip than the Rockets and Warriors used to be.
1:28:29
Speaker 2: There's the only team that are shooting more threes than
1:28:31
Speaker 2: those two teams. And then I got earlier basketball, early
1:28:36
Speaker 2: two thousands, the Shack you know, Shack Alan Iverson. I
1:28:39
Speaker 2: mean those guys they were good for for for quite
1:28:44
Speaker 2: a few years, but in their careers, they weren't that
1:28:47
Speaker 2: good basketball. Yeah, basketball, And it's just kind of like,
1:28:51
Speaker 2: I mean, well, we were arguing with your dad when
1:28:53
Speaker 2: he said, I say, Bro got traded for Sean Marian
1:28:55
Speaker 2: Bro Shack got traded for Sean Mary. Like I just
1:28:58
Speaker 2: let's just be honest. No, nostalgia is ruining basketball. It's
1:29:03
Speaker 2: ruining basketball because they're not appreciating the players that are
1:29:05
Speaker 2: here right now, actually seeing the skill that's happening in
1:29:09
Speaker 2: front of their eyes, and I think.
1:29:11
Speaker 1: They're just scrutinizing and making the nineties and two thousands
1:29:15
Speaker 1: look like a golden era, when in reality, they were
1:29:17
Speaker 1: complaining about the same shit back then. In nineteen ninety five,
1:29:21
Speaker 1: game Game seven of the NBA Finals Nicks Rockets, David
1:29:26
Speaker 1: Stern had to go up in halftime and address NBA
1:29:29
Speaker 1: ratings problems in the Finals game seven. If that ever
1:29:33
Speaker 1: happened today, you know how much of a media coverage
1:29:36
Speaker 1: that would be. And back then, like you were saying, Bro, Okay,
1:29:41
Speaker 1: I watched the nineteen ninety three finals, the start of it.
1:29:44
Speaker 1: The first four possessions, Horace Grant post touch, Horace Grant
1:29:49
Speaker 1: post touched, Horace Grant post touch, and every single one
1:29:52
Speaker 1: of those shots were misses. Bro, you're telling me that's
1:29:55
Speaker 1: the Golden age right there. That is definitely not the
1:29:57
Speaker 1: Golden age. And Okay, Like you were saying, why I
1:30:01
Speaker 1: think nostalgia is ruining it is because they're propping up
1:30:05
Speaker 1: these players and only remembering the good parts of them.
1:30:08
Speaker 1: Then meanwhile, these modern day players, they're like they're only
1:30:12
Speaker 1: focusing on the negative, Like, well, the biggest thing we
1:30:15
Speaker 1: could bring up is Lebron and stuff like that. But okay,
1:30:18
Speaker 1: let's just go to Jason Tatum for example, somebody who's
1:30:20
Speaker 1: not on that level. Look at the scrutiny we gave
1:30:24
Speaker 1: him after the NBA Finals when he lost to the Warriors.
1:30:28
Speaker 1: Look at what scrutiny he got. He's not a superstar,
1:30:31
Speaker 1: he's not up there. He could never lead a team
1:30:33
Speaker 1: to a championship. So just that level it's always propped
1:30:38
Speaker 1: up to as far as comparing it to the six
1:30:41
Speaker 1: and zero and not realizing Jordan missed or failed in
1:30:45
Speaker 1: the playoffs tons of times. He lost to the Celtics,
1:30:48
Speaker 1: he lost to the Pistons, he lost to those certain guys.
1:30:51
Speaker 1: So I think that's why nostalgia's ruining it. And just
1:30:56
Speaker 1: these certain players can't fail without them like having a
1:31:01
Speaker 1: career ending, like according to the media, like their career
1:31:05
Speaker 1: is just done. They'll never be the greatest, or like
1:31:08
Speaker 1: look at Steph Curry for example, Finals MVP. When did
1:31:12
Speaker 1: we ever bring up finals MVP before then? You know
1:31:15
Speaker 1: what I mean, nobody really cared as far as who
1:31:17
Speaker 1: won the finals MVP, like back in the two thousands,
1:31:21
Speaker 1: back in the nineties, nobody really cared about that until
1:31:24
Speaker 1: the New Day media, the scrutiny of it brought up, Oh,
1:31:28
Speaker 1: now finals MVP is important now, records important in the
1:31:31
Speaker 1: finals or MVPs, you know what I mean. So I
1:31:35
Speaker 1: just feel like that scrutiny it's just definitely unfair. So
1:31:38
Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel about that.
1:31:40
Speaker 2: No, I think it's definitely. I mean, if you go,
1:31:44
Speaker 2: I remember watching the Utah Jazz versus the Chicago Bulls
1:31:48
Speaker 2: when I was younger, and I just turned it off
1:31:50
Speaker 2: because it was so boring, Like it was just like
1:31:52
Speaker 2: I think the game was so slow, like the bringing
1:31:57
Speaker 2: up the court right andagible the whole until they switched
1:32:01
Speaker 2: Johns stocked and passes up to call him alone in
1:32:03
Speaker 2: the post. Same thing, like, same thing. It's just like
1:32:05
Speaker 2: over and over again. Like it just was kind of
1:32:08
Speaker 2: just like I don't take away what they did at
1:32:11
Speaker 2: their time, Like what they did at their time is
1:32:14
Speaker 2: great for that time. What the eighties did was great
1:32:16
Speaker 2: for their time. With the seventies and sixties did at
1:32:18
Speaker 2: their time was great for that time. There's a reason
1:32:21
Speaker 2: why Pete Merriviage looked as like some ball handling god
1:32:24
Speaker 2: because no one else was doing it in the sixties.
1:32:26
Speaker 2: Like there's a reason why Magic and Larry Bird dominate
1:32:29
Speaker 2: their era because no one was doing what they were
1:32:32
Speaker 2: doing in the eighties. And there's a reason why Jordan
1:32:34
Speaker 2: did what he did in the nineties because no one
1:32:36
Speaker 2: was doing what he was doing in the nineties. But
1:32:39
Speaker 2: when you get further along into the NBA history, everyone
1:32:42
Speaker 2: catches up. And that's in today's basketball everyone can do
1:32:45
Speaker 2: what they did everyone. I don't care. We see Jokic,
1:32:49
Speaker 2: even Kitch is six eleven, six' ten and able to
1:32:52
Speaker 2: do anything he wants on the basketball court when it
1:32:54
Speaker 2: co so, offensively Whatever nikeem could, do Whatever Karl malone could,
1:32:58
Speaker 2: do whatever helped, Him duncan could, do he could do it. All, yeah,
1:33:02
Speaker 2: Better like it's just it's just, that it's just true to.
1:33:05
Speaker 2: That LIKE i, said Like Luca, Dodgers Luca dongs can
1:33:08
Speaker 2: do everything on the basketball court. Offensively, yeah but even
1:33:12
Speaker 2: the guys that play two, ways Like victor Woman, Yama,
1:33:15
Speaker 2: no no one in the nineties was doing What victor
1:33:17
Speaker 2: Wan yama was. Doing you were like everybody in the
1:33:20
Speaker 2: nineties was a one dimensional basketball. Player whatever they were
1:33:23
Speaker 2: good at is what they stuck. To they modeled their
1:33:25
Speaker 2: whole entire game oter that and we just. DON'T i
1:33:28
Speaker 2: understand it was big dominated back, then but still like
1:33:32
Speaker 2: it's just at this and it's kind of reverting back
1:33:34
Speaker 2: to a big dominant league in THE nba. Today it's
1:33:37
Speaker 2: just harder to see because most of these bigs are
1:33:39
Speaker 2: able to play in, spacing they're able to shoot, threes
1:33:42
Speaker 2: they able to create their own. Shots so it's just
1:33:44
Speaker 2: a whole different type of basketball in TODAY'S.
1:33:45
Speaker 3: Nba, yeah they're just not looked at his.
1:33:47
Speaker 1: Bigs and as far as one more, thing as far
1:33:49
Speaker 1: as when people say all teams do is shoot, THREES
1:33:53
Speaker 1: i feel like that just shows, like, yes they the
1:33:56
Speaker 1: end result may be, threes but as far as how
1:33:59
Speaker 1: they're getting the.
1:33:59
Speaker 2: Three is, different you know WHAT i, Mean it is
1:34:01
Speaker 2: more than.
1:34:02
Speaker 1: Two, yeah exactly three is more than. Two but, like for,
1:34:05
Speaker 1: example you have The Memphis grizzlies who don't run any
1:34:08
Speaker 1: pick and. Roll you have The, warriors who's they're all
1:34:11
Speaker 1: about off. Ball then you have The, lakers who are
1:34:13
Speaker 1: all about pick and, roll you know WHAT i. Mean
1:34:15
Speaker 1: then there's different, Actions horns, actions try and gole, actions
1:34:18
Speaker 1: you know WHAT i. Mean so it's like the game
1:34:20
Speaker 1: is at a different level where the end result may
1:34:23
Speaker 1: just be all, threes but how they're getting the threes
1:34:26
Speaker 1: is very. DIFFERENT i feel like that's a big thing
1:34:29
Speaker 1: people they're not talking about. Either.
1:34:31
Speaker 2: Well, well also TODAY i feel like nostalgia ruins a
1:34:34
Speaker 2: lot of. Things, also like at a, point we have
1:34:38
Speaker 2: all the flashy, now we have all the flash. Now
1:34:40
Speaker 2: everyone plays different styles of, basketball everyone does all the flashy.
1:34:44
Speaker 2: Stuff but when the best team in THE nba at the,
1:34:46
Speaker 2: time The Sanatoio, spurs were playing fundamental basketball and, winning
1:34:50
Speaker 2: everyone hit it on, it no one watched. It, yeah
1:34:53
Speaker 2: then you go back to the nineties and they're playing
1:34:56
Speaker 2: The spurs is just playing a higher level of nineties,
1:34:58
Speaker 2: basketball like a higher level they were getting hated. On
1:35:02
Speaker 2: so it's just their inconsistency in their mindset of what
1:35:04
Speaker 2: they want to see on the basketball. Court, yeah just
1:35:07
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense to me.
1:35:08
Speaker 1: Sometimes, yeah it's just always propped, up you know WHAT i,
1:35:12
Speaker 1: Mean like the, nineties it's the best that they can.
1:35:14
Speaker 2: Get then after that and they'll say and they'll say
1:35:17
Speaker 2: they don't need, stars they didn't need stars back. Then
1:35:19
Speaker 2: they go team up with stars back they BUT i
1:35:21
Speaker 2: feel like they forget like who were on like the
1:35:24
Speaker 2: Eighties celtics and the. NINETIES i mean in the Eighties.
1:35:27
Speaker 2: Lakers who was on the Nineties, bulls like who Was
1:35:30
Speaker 2: like people were paired, up Like Kevin Charles barkley left
1:35:34
Speaker 2: the Seventies sixers to go play With Kevin johnson In.
1:35:37
Speaker 2: Phoenix Kevin johnson at the time was a primal all star,
1:35:40
Speaker 2: Player like he went to go play with. Them he
1:35:42
Speaker 2: left The suns to go play with hackem And Clyde.
1:35:46
Speaker 2: Drexler he, like, dude these guys were already doing these
1:35:49
Speaker 2: things before it even. Happened we, saw we, Saw we
1:35:53
Speaker 2: saw the Early lakers Where Karl alone And Gary payton
1:35:57
Speaker 2: went to go play with The, lakers and Then Gary
1:35:59
Speaker 2: payne d up to go play with The heat and after,
1:36:02
Speaker 2: that so it was just like there there were stars
1:36:05
Speaker 2: are chasing rings and stars are having to go play
1:36:07
Speaker 2: pair with better. Players always happened like, YEAH i Mean Kareem,
1:36:11
Speaker 2: Magic James, worthy, like and you can go deeper into
1:36:15
Speaker 2: the and then you go with The. Celtics you have
1:36:18
Speaker 2: Freaking Larry, Bird Robert, Parrish kevin, Mckel Dennis, smith like
1:36:23
Speaker 2: all these guys were good for their time and they
1:36:25
Speaker 2: all play. Together if you look at The Detroit pistons
1:36:27
Speaker 2: they built THEY i mean they didn't bring in like
1:36:29
Speaker 2: superstar player Like Joe DeMars and Didn't rodman And Isaiah
1:36:32
Speaker 2: Thomas wall drafted. There but they still brought in like
1:36:35
Speaker 2: certain players Like Rick mahorn And Adrian dantley and a
1:36:39
Speaker 2: couple of these players that came in to create these
1:36:41
Speaker 2: superstar studded teams that fit their, mold like it just always,
1:36:45
Speaker 2: happened like it never was just, like, oh we're never,
1:36:48
Speaker 2: No like even in the. Night they look at The Portland,
1:36:50
Speaker 2: trailblazers who was a consistent good team they, Had they
1:36:52
Speaker 2: had armand sa bonus Was Jerome, Kersey Clyde. Drexler they
1:36:58
Speaker 2: had a, couple they have a couple other good players.
1:37:00
Speaker 2: There it's just all of. It every team was doing,
1:37:02
Speaker 2: this like every team has done this in the history of,
1:37:04
Speaker 2: basketball where they create super teams to dominate their.
1:37:07
Speaker 1: Eras, yeah and even at that they were doing this
1:37:10
Speaker 1: when back then free agency you weren't as allowed to
1:37:13
Speaker 1: move from team to. Team nowadays it's just players are
1:37:16
Speaker 1: allowed to have this player, movement so now it's just
1:37:20
Speaker 1: a lot. Easier i'm pretty sure if THE nba free
1:37:23
Speaker 1: agency is how what or how it is right. Now
1:37:26
Speaker 1: back in the, nineties there'd be teams or there'd be
1:37:28
Speaker 1: players moving all over the place or being. Traded they
1:37:31
Speaker 1: would for. Sure it's just those restrictions as far as
1:37:35
Speaker 1: what you can do and what you cannot. Do so
1:37:38
Speaker 1: and they were still doing, it like you were, Saying,
1:37:39
Speaker 1: SO i just think that's the biggest.
1:37:41
Speaker 2: Thing but but and then even today with super, teams
1:37:45
Speaker 2: like they're not even super teams no more like there's
1:37:48
Speaker 2: no super, team no more like they were being on
1:37:50
Speaker 2: every team's Good and most teams now are built through the,
1:37:53
Speaker 2: draft if you're really looking at most of the teams
1:37:56
Speaker 2: and if you have used it instead to want to
1:37:58
Speaker 2: bring in better, players just like The Boston, Celtics Jayleen,
1:38:02
Speaker 2: Renald Jason, TATUM i think were Drafted Branston.
1:38:05
Speaker 1: Celtics, yeah, Exactly, EVAN.
1:38:09
Speaker 2: I think it were drafted by The Cleveland cavaliers and
1:38:11
Speaker 2: they used their assets to bring In Donovan mitchell And
1:38:14
Speaker 2: Jerry allen like. It JUST i mean the. Thunder if
1:38:17
Speaker 2: you want to talk about the team built to the,
1:38:18
Speaker 2: draft drafty BESIDES, sga every single player was built to the,
1:38:21
Speaker 2: draft and they Traded Paul george to GET. Sga so
1:38:24
Speaker 2: it's not like they were trading some scrub for a.
1:38:25
Speaker 2: Scrub they were trading at the, Time Paul, george who
1:38:29
Speaker 2: was at the peak of his prime a, peak, yeah
1:38:31
Speaker 2: AN mvp candidate for an unproven player IN sga And Chris.
1:38:36
Speaker 2: Paul so it's just like every team like it just
1:38:40
Speaker 2: Doesn't every team now is either built to the draft
1:38:43
Speaker 2: and traded for. Assets and most of the super teams
1:38:45
Speaker 2: don't even work. Out The phoenix Suns hell like they
1:38:48
Speaker 2: hadn't worked, out you. Know it just kind of like
1:38:50
Speaker 2: and you know when the last time they made the
1:38:52
Speaker 2: championship was when they had all their drafted players all
1:38:55
Speaker 2: on the same. Team so it just kind of like
1:38:59
Speaker 2: the that makes sense to, me it's.
1:39:02
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