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DIDDY PERV: LICKS LIPS, RUBS HANDS TOGETHER, WANTS EXTRA TIME FOR CASSIE SEX SCENE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Didty perv Shawn Comes caught
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  Speaker 1: licking his lips and rubbing his hands together, demanding extra
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  Speaker 1: time for the Cassie Free Cough sex scene objection. Ow
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  Speaker 1: and Didty testified once in a criminal case and he
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  Speaker 1: was acquitted. Will he do it again? And tonight Ditty's revenge?
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  Speaker 1: The state bracing for the Ditty defense. I'm means he grease.
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  Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. Forty six thousand, seven hundred and eighty
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  Speaker 1: six safety.
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  Speaker 2: Pay on damages to a penthouse for one day.
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  Speaker 3: Instruments of violence that might have been in that room so.
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  Speaker 1: Much maybe oil, There were actually two slip and.
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  Speaker 3: Falls, whips, maybe knives.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe they were sitting on top of freak off jerms.
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  Speaker 1: The state is plowing through its last witnesses in court
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  Speaker 1: with me an all star panel to make sense of
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  Speaker 1: what we are learning from the courtroom today. But first
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  Speaker 1: straight out to the Monahan Federal Courthouse. Standing by is
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  Speaker 1: Tisa Tails. She is a pop culture investigator and star
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  Speaker 1: off Tisa Tales on YouTube. Tisa what happened today today?
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  Speaker 1: We found out some interesting stubs.
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  Speaker 4: First of all, this All Star defense they promised to
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  Speaker 4: put on has seemed to fall apart.
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  Speaker 1: Diddy has actually gone from saying it's.
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  Speaker 5: Going to be four weeks to two weeks to three.
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  Speaker 4: To five days today expect to wrap up in one day.
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  Speaker 4: They're also showing even more freak off tapes, and Diddy
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  Speaker 4: is loving every second of it. He has been looking
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  Speaker 4: his lists, he has been begging from her time. Today
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  Speaker 4: he got so flustered from what was being shown on screen.
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  Speaker 4: He leaned in, got flustered, took his glasses off, lead
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  Speaker 4: and closer, dropping to the floor.
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  Speaker 2: Diddy is having a.
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  Speaker 4: Little bit too much fun for my pace, but you
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  Speaker 4: know what we need to get in there.
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  Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait, phrase phrase, halt repeat. Okay, you're
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  Speaker 1: saying he's having too much fun watching Cassie Ventura, the
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  Speaker 1: so called love of his life, right behind the other
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  Speaker 1: love of his life, cam Porter, watching her with a
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  Speaker 1: male sex worker.
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  Speaker 2: I know he was licking his lips, gross, rubbing his.
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  Speaker 1: Hands together ill, but you said he took off his
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  Speaker 1: fate glasses and did what he leaned in.
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  Speaker 4: Closer, and he got so discombobulated because listen, last time
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  Speaker 4: he was just watching Cassie and a man. Today, it
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  Speaker 4: was a new freak golf tape where there were sex
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  Speaker 4: workers plural.
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  Speaker 1: Must've been too much. He was hot and bothered.
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  Speaker 4: Leaning in getting the full view, got so flustered he
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  Speaker 4: dropped stuff on the floor, picked it up, and got.
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  Speaker 1: Right back to the screen.
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  Speaker 2: Diddy is having a little bit too much fun for
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  Speaker 2: my taste.
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  Speaker 4: But I guess this was the all star Kobe Bryant, Shaq,
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  Speaker 4: Shaquille O'Neil dream team shack attack playoff that he always
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  Speaker 4: made all his victims to to gate themselves too.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you know what, I don't think Shaq or Jordan
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  Speaker 1: are going to take very kindly to what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: And poor Kobe not here to defend himself. Troy Slayton,
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  Speaker 1: don't you tell your clients how to behave in court?
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  Speaker 1: The last thing that this jury needs to see as
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  Speaker 1: far as the Combs defense team goes, is Shawn comes
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  Speaker 1: licking his lips. I'm not even going to demonstrate that
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  Speaker 1: licking his lips, rubbing his hands together like he's getting
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  Speaker 1: to the good part of like a James Bond movie.
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  Speaker 1: He's rubbing his hands together and visibly visibly oh excited.
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  Speaker 1: Is that a decent way to put it, watching the
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  Speaker 1: Free Cough with the second love of his life, Cassie Ventura.
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  Speaker 6: Although I appreciate you repretation of mister Burns from The
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  Speaker 6: Simpsons rubbing your hands together, Nancy.
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  Speaker 7: Uh, every it's on the defendant. Everything. Are analyzing every
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  Speaker 7: single thing that he is doing.
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  Speaker 6: And of course, as a defense attorney you are you
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  Speaker 6: are telling your client to.
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  Speaker 7: Wear certain clothes, to look a certain.
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  Speaker 6: Way, to not comment too much, to not whisper to them,
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  Speaker 6: but rather to write things down during uh, during the proceedings. Yes,
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  Speaker 6: every single juror has their eyes on the defendant during
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  Speaker 6: a trial, and they're analyzing everything.
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  Speaker 1: You know. I'm thinking about how you should behave in
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  Speaker 1: front of a jury, what your clients should be doing.
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  Speaker 1: I remember distinctly during the Scott Peterson case. Peterson would
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  Speaker 1: have a very perplexed and deep thinking pose, like, hmm,
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  Speaker 1: isn't that what Shawn Combs should be doing right now?
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  Speaker 6: Sean Combs should be looking like he's innocent. He should
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  Speaker 6: be looking like he doesn't agree with what the witnesses
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  Speaker 6: are saying.
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  Speaker 7: And I believe that the.
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  Speaker 6: Prosecutors are going to have a hard time proving up
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  Speaker 6: all the elements of Rico.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said before, I think I found out what
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  Speaker 1: Seawn Colmbs was writing, and his defense attorney, you know,
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  Speaker 1: made him stop writing it because the jury might see it.
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  Speaker 1: According to our sources, this is what he wrote. These
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  Speaker 1: are his trial notes, you know. So that's why he
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  Speaker 1: suddenly quit taking notes.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, that's some crack report, Nancy, But you know, defendants
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  Speaker 6: right things all the time.
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  Speaker 2: On can't you keep him there?
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  Speaker 1: Oh wait a minute, I've got more for you.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it true?
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  Speaker 1: Tisa tales that while the new freak Off video is
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  Speaker 1: being played, he starts like shaking his leg uncontrollably, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like a dog scratching itself. Listen, it's like a dog.
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  Speaker 4: Literally, You're looking at him and he's trying to act
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  Speaker 4: like he's just sitting there while he's.
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  Speaker 1: Trying to grab that bone.
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  Speaker 4: Whatever his defense lawyers told him to do, it has
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  Speaker 4: gone out the window because did he see the only
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  Speaker 4: thing that dominated his life, a perversion for the last
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  Speaker 4: ten years, played out in front of him? And let's
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  Speaker 4: be serious, Didney is probably overdue for a freak call.
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  Speaker 4: So this is Christmas in Christmas in July, truly for.
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  Speaker 1: This man joining me right, now special guest Rob Shooter.
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  Speaker 2: You know him well.
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  Speaker 1: He is the host of Naughty but Nice Awesome podcast.
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  Speaker 1: You can find him at Rob Shooter, shut Er dot
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  Speaker 1: substat dot com. Former publicist PR guru for Sean Comes.
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  Speaker 1: He came to his census and quit after a couple
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  Speaker 1: of years. Rob Shooter, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: Ken Shawn Comes not control himself. The last thing he
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  Speaker 1: needs the jury to see is him licking his lips
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  Speaker 1: like he's about a tuckown into a t bone.
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  Speaker 2: Rubbing his hands together.
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  Speaker 5: It's so evil.
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  Speaker 2: I mean ew in the middle of a freak off tape.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would have predicted the Puffy would have known
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  Speaker 5: better than this. This is a guy who's very carefully
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  Speaker 5: created his image. The trouble is is that the bigger
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  Speaker 5: you become as a star, the less people you listen to,
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  Speaker 5: and you start just believing yourself. So even though he
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  Speaker 5: has a really good team of lawyers around him, I
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  Speaker 5: doubt he's listening to them. He never really listened to
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  Speaker 5: me or other people that worked with him. It was
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  Speaker 5: his way or the highway. And I gotta say, Nancy,
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  Speaker 5: so far, at least until this moment, It's often worked
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  Speaker 5: out for Puffy. He's very successful. He's made a ton
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  Speaker 5: of money. This might be the end of that running streak.
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  Speaker 1: But when you, I don't think he's successful on his own,
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  Speaker 1: no offense. But I think he's been successful and managed
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  Speaker 1: to stay out of trouble this long, largely because of
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  Speaker 1: enablers like robs you Okay, not Rob Sheeter, because you
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  Speaker 1: did come to your senses and quit. But all the
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  Speaker 1: people that buy him illegal drugs. The drug mule that testified,
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  Speaker 1: the bodyguard that physically dragged Cassie Ventura back to a
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  Speaker 1: free cough, the other minion assistant that got immunity, that
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  Speaker 1: hopped in.
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  Speaker 2: The car on a gun ride to look.
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  Speaker 1: For should Knight. It goes on and on and on.
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  Speaker 1: The accountant that explained in an email idiot how to
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  Speaker 1: get Cassie's parents to send extortion money. I mean, all
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  Speaker 1: of these people enabled him to become what he is now.
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  Speaker 1: He had a bubble around him. Christina Korum, who many
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  Speaker 1: people believe is an unindicted co conspirator, I'm still wondering
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  Speaker 1: what happened to her, why she didn't testify, But he
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  Speaker 1: was enabled to do this. You know something you just said.
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  Speaker 1: The more famous you are. The more you don't know
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  Speaker 1: the word no. Listen to our friend Conan O'Brien.
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  Speaker 2: When you go to a hotel.
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  Speaker 8: Anytime you go to a hotel, you don't just check
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  Speaker 8: in the way everybody else does. You send someone ahead
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  Speaker 8: to prepare the hotel room for you.
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  Speaker 1: Let's called preparing the sexy. That's from our friends at
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  Speaker 1: Conan O'Brien the Late Show, and there little did he.
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  Speaker 1: I'm really surprised the State hasn't even played this. He
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  Speaker 1: is describing to Conan O'Brien on National TV how he
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  Speaker 1: sends his minions ahead of him to quote, prepare the sexy.
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  Speaker 1: But what the sexy has turned out to be, according
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  Speaker 1: to the state, is forced rape, sex trafficking due to coercion, drugging, beatings,
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  Speaker 1: and there's more. Listen, when I work hard and I
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  Speaker 1: just like my room to be sexy.
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  Speaker 8: Sure you like to prepare the sexy, is what you're saying.
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  Speaker 8: You can't just count on the sexy. Compare the sexy.
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  Speaker 3: You have to make sure you go through the proper
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  Speaker 3: measures to make sure that you're sexy is there when
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  Speaker 3: you arrive.
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  Speaker 1: From our friends at the kendryned Brian Late Night show.
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  Speaker 1: Is he that arrogant rob Sheeter. He's basically on live
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  Speaker 1: national TV bragging about free coughs aka King Knight aka
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  Speaker 1: Hotel Night aka wild King Knight, which, according to multiple
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  Speaker 1: victims that have filed all those civil lawsuits, the jury
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  Speaker 1: hasn't heard about them. But I dare, I dare the
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  Speaker 1: defense to bring a good character because that will bring
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  Speaker 1: in all of those prior bad acts, alleged bad acts.
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  Speaker 1: So far, the jury hasn't heard about all those women.
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  Speaker 1: Multiple women, including some miners, claim that they were drugged
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  Speaker 1: in their drinks and they wake up with their vaginas
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  Speaker 1: and their rearings hurting, obviously having had sex without their
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  Speaker 1: knowledge or consent. Okay, while I'm playing a Conan O'Brien
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  Speaker 1: clip and we're laughing about the way Sean Comes has
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  Speaker 1: responded to those videos in.
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  Speaker 2: Court, think about it. This jury hasn't heard everything.
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  Speaker 3: That we know.
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  Speaker 1: Dozens they've got a toll free number set up for it,
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  Speaker 1: for Pete's sake, Dozens of women describing being raped. Shooter.
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  Speaker 1: And I know, in your line of business, you know
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  Speaker 1: it's all glamorous, But in my line of business, I
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  Speaker 1: deal every day with child rape victims. Adult rape victims,
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  Speaker 1: adults that were child rape victims, and their lives are
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  Speaker 1: forever changed.
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  Speaker 2: Not in a good way, in a very very bad way.
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  Speaker 2: So is he that arrogant that he is bragging about it?
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  Speaker 5: On Conan O'Brian, A really simple answer is yes, We've
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  Speaker 5: got the evidence, Nancy. This case is not that hard
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  Speaker 5: to anybody who has been paying attention. Now, let's see
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  Speaker 5: if the evidence can stand up to one of the
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  Speaker 5: most famous, rich, successful people in the world. Did he
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  Speaker 5: is used to get in his own way, His money,
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  Speaker 5: his power, his celebrity has given him a life that
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  Speaker 5: we can never ever imagine. Let's see if this is
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  Speaker 5: the end of it. I think we all know where
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  Speaker 5: the evidence is pointing.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Rob Shehoter, I hate everything that you just said,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm concerned. I'm concerned that it may be true because,
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  Speaker 1: as you well remember, to doctor Bethany Marshall renounced like
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  Speaker 1: oh Allen's joining us out of Beverly Hills, the author
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  Speaker 1: of deal Breakers. You can see her on Peacock and
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  Speaker 1: you can find her one at dr Bethany Marshall dot com.
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  Speaker 1: As you well recall, I thought the evidence was very
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  Speaker 1: clear in the OJ Simpson trial, and I still think
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  Speaker 1: the evidence is very clear, but fame popularity was stronger
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  Speaker 1: in the jury's mind than the evidence. In that picture
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  Speaker 1: of Nicole Brown, I'll never forget with her face all
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  Speaker 1: swollen up and read on one side where he had
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  Speaker 1: beaten her horribly, those nine to one one calls where
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  Speaker 1: she's saying he's breaking the door down, He's gonna kill me.
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  Speaker 1: None of that mattered. The victim's blood on his socks,
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  Speaker 1: for Pete's sake, none of it mattered. At the civil trial.
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  Speaker 1: I believe he scored a negative forty three on his polygraph,
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  Speaker 1: but it didn't carry the day. It did not carry
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  Speaker 1: the day. Could it happen again, Bethany, You don't, Nancy.
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  Speaker 3: I think our society is and maybe hopefully not the
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  Speaker 3: jury not clear about what abuse, and specifically sexual abuse
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  Speaker 3: is one person getting their needs met at the other
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  Speaker 3: person's expense, derogatory language threatening to pull resources from that
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  Speaker 3: victim if they don't comply, profiting in some way from
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  Speaker 3: the victim's sexual activity. I think we see all of this,
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  Speaker 3: and I would guess, Nancy, that PDD is not getting
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  Speaker 3: his sexual needs met behind bars. So that video of
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  Speaker 3: the alleged freak coughs and abuse. That's very exciting for him, Nancy.
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  Speaker 3: Sex addicts need continual stimulation, and one of the reasons
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  Speaker 3: they need it is there's a type of deadness or
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  Speaker 3: inner emptiness. It can only be compensated for by a
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  Speaker 3: ton of excitement. Unless he's just going to keep working
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  Speaker 3: out or abusing another inmate, or having sex through the
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  Speaker 3: vents or whatever he's doing, he's going to rely on
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  Speaker 3: those tapes they're imagining are endless, Nancy, So he's going
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  Speaker 3: to have to rely on his imagination quite a.
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  Speaker 2: Bit from here on out.
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  Speaker 1: Joining us, special guest Danny Pinter, Senior VP, Director of
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  Speaker 1: the Law Center National Center on Sex Exploitation. Danny, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us. I'm concerned. I'm worried. I'm
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  Speaker 1: worried that the same thing will happen in Simpson in
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  Speaker 1: this case as did Simpson, where his vast popularity carried.
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  Speaker 1: The day those jurors and I met many of them,
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  Speaker 1: they felt that they knew Orenthal James Simpson because of
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  Speaker 1: all of his football stardom, because of his movies, his
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  Speaker 1: car rental ads. They thought they knew him and the
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  Speaker 1: Simpson They thought they knew could never have committed double homicide,
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  Speaker 1: but he did and the evidence proved it, but it
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  Speaker 1: didn't matter.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I think you're right to be worried,
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  Speaker 9: but I have a lot of hope. Similar to the
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  Speaker 9: Conan O'Brien interview we just saw, there's been many instances
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  Speaker 9: of that Ditty's break offs were a bit of an
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  Speaker 9: open secret.
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  Speaker 3: I think that will help.
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  Speaker 9: I think the fact that he has been arrogantly bragging
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  Speaker 9: about his activity for so long, plus I think we've
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  Speaker 9: come further than our society has come further than in
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  Speaker 9: the past, and understanding some of the dynamics that the
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  Speaker 9: doctor was talking about with sexual abuse. So hopefully that
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  Speaker 9: public education, combined with Ditty's brazen public admissions will help
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  Speaker 9: the jury's biases not interfere with the evidence, which I
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  Speaker 9: agree with you is very strong.
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  Speaker 1: We are live at the Monahan Federal Courthouse and the
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  Speaker 1: trial of Sean comes the multi count federal indictment including
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  Speaker 1: sex trafficking charges, and outside the courthouse joining us. Tisa Tels,
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  Speaker 1: investigator and host of Tisa Tales on YouTube. TISA we
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  Speaker 1: got carried away with Shawn Holmes's odd behavior in the
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  Speaker 1: courtroom when he was rewatching sex free coughs with multiple
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  Speaker 1: sex workers, obviously enthralled, asking for more time to view
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  Speaker 1: the video, privately rubbing his hands together, licking his lips,
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  Speaker 1: shaking his legs. Can we move on from that abysmal
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  Speaker 1: and horrific scene you've conjured up from me in my
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  Speaker 1: head to what's happening in the courtroom.
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  Speaker 4: What's happening in the courtroom is you see Diddy's team
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  Speaker 4: moving the goalpost once again. They are saying that now
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  Speaker 4: they expect one day they're going to read a lot
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  Speaker 4: of exhibits. Diddy is looking at them, side eyeing them,
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  Speaker 4: looking around. It's almost like they just didn't communicate in
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  Speaker 4: the back, not even twenty minutes ago before he came
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  Speaker 4: out into the courtroom, Which makes you think is he's
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  Speaker 4: still trying a last ditch, desperate attempt to test in
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  Speaker 4: front of the jury because people say there's a good
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  Speaker 4: chance that he will not take the stand. But at
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  Speaker 4: the end of the day, who wants to open the
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  Speaker 4: Pandora's box?
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  Speaker 2: That is Diddy. Again, to Rob's point, this man has
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  Speaker 2: been told he is yes, he is right.
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  Speaker 4: He literally truly seems to believe that a decade to
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  Speaker 4: parabrity is a lifestyle choice.
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  Speaker 2: I guess going to hell.
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  Speaker 4: And being one of the demons that walked the earth
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  Speaker 4: is a lifestyle choice.
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  Speaker 2: Again, he's not grounded in reality.
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  Speaker 4: Defense seems to be losing control of him, and again
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  Speaker 4: it's just very, very stark. We're all waiting for Thursday
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  Speaker 4: when they have both agreed they will rest their case.
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  Speaker 3: But as of now, it's a bit astonishing to see.
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  Speaker 2: Tas the tales.
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  Speaker 1: They started off saying the defense did that it would
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  Speaker 1: be a four or five week defense case. Then it
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  Speaker 1: went down to about three weeks, two weeks, and now
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  Speaker 1: it's a day.
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  Speaker 2: Is that wrong?
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  Speaker 1: One day? That is exactly right now?
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  Speaker 4: One day and they are literally arguing about whether they will.
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  Speaker 2: Read exhibits for most of that day.
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  Speaker 1: Again, like everybody else has said on this.
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  Speaker 4: Panel, you don't want to open that Pandora's box. But again,
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  Speaker 4: I just want to say, from sitting in the courtroom,
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  Speaker 4: every single time did he team says A, it's usually B.
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  Speaker 4: So we're waiting to see is this some holy Molly
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  Speaker 4: Hail Mary to catch the prosecution off balance and there
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  Speaker 4: will be a surprise witness. But right now it looks
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  Speaker 4: like they are hanging their heads in defeat.
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  Speaker 1: So you stated that you believe that what's happening is
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  Speaker 1: the defense team is trying to strong arm Shawn Comes
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  Speaker 1: into not.
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  Speaker 2: Taking the stand.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, don't move, Rob Sheeter joining us hosts of Naughty
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: but Nice podcast.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Rob, explain to me the likelihood that.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: The defense team can talk Seawn Comes out of anything.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: And remember, as you well know, he was acquitted in
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: a criminal case. Guns chargers are shooting at a nightclub
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: and when we got shot in the face for Pete's sake,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: he was acquitted and he testified, So he may be
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: relying on that as an excuse to take the stand.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Is there any way the defense can corral him and
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: keep him from getting on the stand.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: Nancy, I've said since day one he's going to take
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: the stand. I've been right on everything so far in
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: this trial, and I don't think I'm going to be wrong.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: He believes in himself. He believes he's the smartest person
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: in the room. He believes he's the best looking person
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: in the room. He believes he's the best strategist, and
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: for the last twenty years that attitude has served him
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: very well. You just pointed out he did this before
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: and he got off. He's not going to change his playbook,
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: his rule book right now. And there is almost no
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: one on earth except one person who could convince him
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: to do otherwise. That person is his mommy. She's the
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: only person. And Jonas Combs, who he has ever EVAs.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: All the speculation aside as to what Shawn Combs will
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: do regarding taking the stand. While many court watchers insist,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: like Choice Laton for one, that the state hasn't proven
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: its case, there is one count that I feel confident
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: the state has a lock on it. Listen.
• 21:35
  Speaker 10: HSI Special Agent Penlin reviews forceipts and payments made for
• 21:38
  Speaker 10: a September twenty fourteen meeting record show Combs used his
• 21:42
  Speaker 10: American Express card to purchase a round trip flight from
• 21:45
  Speaker 10: New York to Los Angeles for an escort referred to
• 21:47
  Speaker 10: as Dave, and to book a hotel reservation under his assistant,
• 21:51
  Speaker 10: Elie Maroon's name. Five different bank accounts were used to
• 21:54
  Speaker 10: pay off those credit card charges, including some link to
• 21:56
  Speaker 10: bad Boy Entertainment and Combs Enterprises.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Straight out to you Tisa Tels joining us at the
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: courthouse and you can see her on YouTube at TISA
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Tel's TISA. There is a specific charge in the federal indictment.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: It's count three transporting sex workers across straight lines for
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: the purposes of prostitution. That is a federal charge that,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: off the top of my head, carries ten to fifteen.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: So there's no way around that. It's his American Express charge.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: He did it, he arranged it, or had his minion
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: do it. When the jury was listening to that Homeland
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Security special Agent Penland, were they paying attention or were
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: they dozing off?
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: I gotta be honest with you, they were paying attention.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: But again, it is like being stuck in the seventh
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: level of Hell at the DMV next to the Devil's playground.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: It was not the most exciting thing. However, the prosecution
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: kept hammering one thing home.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: That was very helpful.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Here is the flight log, Here is a text messages.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: Here is the credit card charge.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Over and over and over.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: The jury's eyes did seem to glaze over, but it
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: glazed over in understanding. It glazed over and understanding, and
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: no matter how the defense tried to cover that up
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: when they came.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Back for redirect, it was again, here is the credit
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: card receipt. Here is the messages saying, hey.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: Just come up, We're ready gonna take a breather.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: So they did an excellent job of laying it out.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: I would also go on to say that not only
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: do they have them on the transporting sex workers across
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: state lines for commercial sex Act dead to rights, they
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: also have them on bribery.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Let's not forget.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: Did they not reached out to Eddie Garcia. Did they
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: not give a double back full of cash? Did they
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: not actually demand he signed.
• 23:48
  Speaker 11: An NDA on Colne's global stationery and send pictures of
• 23:53
  Speaker 11: everybody's ID just so we could know Ten years later,
• 23:57
  Speaker 11: the bribery and the conspiracy that happened with.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: That predicate acts, it looks like they have them dead
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: the Rights, No Questions Acts, and the defense had barely
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: any thing to say about.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: That taste of tails. I understand that cigar aficionados across
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: the world are shuddering because Sean Comes used expensive humidors
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: to store his baby oil and lube. What happened. What
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: happened is it let us into his head. First of all,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: how cheap do you have to.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Be to be a billionaire?
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: And you are getting a humidifier to make sure.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: You're ninety nine cent baby oil doesn't go bad. Baby oil,
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: I believe have a shelf life up forever. It showed
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: how fiercely it took it. It shows out of everything
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: in his life, he needed to make sure that it
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: was top level purity. Again, it baffles, but it also
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: shows what he prioritized.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: And as much as every time the defense.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: Just tries to make it seem like, oh, you mean
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: the baby oil, the jury is also always had.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: I've been puzzled and discussed.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: It looks like why would you do this if this
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: wasn't the true intent and what you spent most of
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: your time doing. Nancy, you made a good point about
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: he had others running his empire, and the one thing
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: this man cared about more than money, more than time,
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: more than his children, was making sure that he was
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: always ready to go for a freak off.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: That's the one thing we can guarantee, Rob Sheheeter joining us.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: You can find it at Robsheeter dot substack dot com.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Rob did you hear what she said? How can literally
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: a billionaire that starts with be as in brother billionaire
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: be this cheap? I want to hear what if anything
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: you observed when you worked with Coms.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: I think part of the reason he's a billionaire is
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: because he was cheap. Those parties he threw, those big
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: white parties. He never paid a dollar for those parties.
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: They were all subsidized. They were all sponsors. Puff knew
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: had hit the phones and raise money. He wasn't a
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: terrorly successful rapper or artist. He was a behind the
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: scenes businessman, and Puff was really cheap. He would never
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: pay unless he absolutely had to. So I'm not a
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: door surprise that he's buying in bulk and he's making
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: sure that the expiration date does not expire. He is
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: a cheap individual who has a lot of money. And
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: I got to say, in my experience of working with
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: many many stars, that's not that unusual.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: You told me earlier that he wanted to eat a
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: fancy restaurants for free. He wanted free tickets to Fashion
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Week to sit on the front row. He wanted to
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: fly free, to eat free, to attend events like NBA games,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: all for free. Why he's got the money to pay.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: For it because it made him feel powerful, Nancy. It
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: made him feel special, Nancy. You know what it's like
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: if you're at a restaurant and you get a free
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: piece of birthday cake, you feel great. Every day of
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: his life he needed people to tell him, to show
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: him just how special he believed he is, and for
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: the most part, everybody plays along.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Shooter. I don't get it. How can you pick up
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: the phone at three am and make your assistant wander
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: around Manhattan to find cheesecake. Not any cheesecake, Not the
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: cheesecake in the freezer section at Degostino's. Not that cheesecake.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I mean cheesecake from a high end, a five star restaurant,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: and you get it or demand a better seat. I mean,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: did anybody ever say no, comes in?
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: Ever, they didn't. No nance They didn't. Nobody around him
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: ever said no to him. And if you did, you
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: weren't around him for much longer. That's why I really
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: feel for his lawyers here. He has some really great lawyers,
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: but they have been literally restrained, put on a leash
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: by Puffy. He thinks he knows better than every single
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: one of those really qualified people there on his defense team,
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: and so he is running the show. He runs his life.
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: He's running the show, and for the first time ever,
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: his bag of magic tricks might not work.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: You know what's interesting, Rob Sheeter, is that apparently it
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: was not a very well kept secret about the free Coughs,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: that many many people knew about them, but yet famous
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: celebs would continue to fly to his party and be
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: around him. I mean, you know the lyrics of Eminem,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: who I love, when he rapped about Sean Combs and said,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I think the phrase goes r.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Ape r He didn't like he.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Didn't leave out a P did he Nobody got it?
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: He spelled rape or and then named P Diddy. What
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: was nobody listening? I was listening.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: The world knew, but everybody and now all.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: These celebris are going not me.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: I want sat there.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: They were there. They were there, eating the food, drinking
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: the liquor, going to these parties, and they knew what
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: was happening. They may not have attended the free cost
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: but it was not very secretive.
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, the whispers were there. I recently wrote a
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: column for the Hollywood Reporter about this, and I used
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: to convince myself that I didn't know anything, And after
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: a lot of reflection, I came to the conclusion that
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: I didn't want to know anything. And there's a big
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: difference there. Celebrity, money, fame, Nancy. We've seen this happen
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: a lot. There was a lot of people around Michael Jackson,
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: there was a lot of people around oj Simpson. Fame,
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: money power. It is intoxicating.
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: And now I think a lot.
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: Of people out there who were in business with Puff
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: have a reckoning. They have to come forward, they have
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: to say anythink they're not, but I think they do.
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: I think eventually they've all got sets up.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Never know which way a
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: trial is going to go. You really don't know what
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: the witness is going to say. Who could have predicted elite,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: who could have predicted all the motions from mistrial evidence
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: starts pouring from the witness stand during the state's case,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: and you look at your client like, that is.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Nothing like what you told me really happened.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: It has literally been weeks in the Monahan Federal Courthouse
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: for the state.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: What does the defense hold to.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Step back and do a hell Mary right now? By
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: all accounts, Shawn Combs is at peak diddy as he
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: awaits the commencement of the defense case, and in a
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: shocking development, the defense has dwindled from five weeks to
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: four weeks to three weeks to two weeks to one day.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Is this real or is this just a fake off
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: on the state so they'll be flat footed when it
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: comes time for a possible rebuttal case or even closing arguments,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: the defense announcing they plan to rest in the next
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: twenty four to thirty six hours.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Can that be real?
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Now? I want you to listen to what came out
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: in court, what Sean Combs had the gall to tailcass
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: even draw.
• 31:30
  Speaker 10: A text chat in May twenty seventeen shows how differently
• 31:33
  Speaker 10: the couple views their relationship. Ventura writes to Combs, you
• 31:37
  Speaker 10: get up. You dragged me down the hall by my hair.
• 31:40
  Speaker 10: I'm thirty years old. This isn't play anymore. I was
• 31:43
  Speaker 10: scared of your rage. I talk out of line sometimes
• 31:45
  Speaker 10: and I do apologize, but that doesn't mean I don't
• 31:48
  Speaker 10: love you, and your love shouldn't equate to what you
• 31:50
  Speaker 10: do for me. Physicality takes it somewhere else.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Boris had to tackle you puff. That's not love, that's possession.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: I have bleeding cuts.
• 31:58
  Speaker 10: Combs responds that have been is unappreciative, saying I'm not
• 32:02
  Speaker 10: going to let someone done me when all I've done
• 32:04
  Speaker 10: is be nice. Any other woman in the world would
• 32:07
  Speaker 10: have been so happy you're whack for not keeping it
• 32:10
  Speaker 10: real when I and everyone knows you were acting like
• 32:12
  Speaker 10: a You know what.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I hardly know how to respond to that, but I
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: do know I would read it over and over and
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: over to the jury joining me. Tom Smith former NYPD
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: detective thirty years in narcotics, robbery, gang investigation, also FBI
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Joint Terrorism Task Force. He is now the co host
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: of the gold Shields podcast. You can find him at
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: the gold Shieldshow dot com. Tom. He's nothing more than
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: a thug and a pimp.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Did you hear this?
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: She's saying I've got bleeding cuts. You dragged me by
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: my hair, and he says I'm not going to let
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: someone on me when all I've done is be nice. Really,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: you saw the cast evenior beatdown video, right, Tom, All
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I've done is be nice. Any other woman in the
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: world would be so happy you're wack for not keeping
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: it real when I and everyone knows you were acting
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: like a That's exactly what pimps do to the prostitutes.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: They coerce and beat into working for them, turning trick
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: after trick after trick.
• 33:30
  Speaker 12: Absolutely, it's all about intimidation and power and having something
• 33:36
  Speaker 12: over their victims.
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: And that's what Cassie is.
• 33:38
  Speaker 12: She's a victim and he exploited that at every chance
• 33:42
  Speaker 12: he could, with all that, with the beatings, with the dragging,
• 33:46
  Speaker 12: with the intimidation of ruining her if she didn't comply.
• 33:50
  Speaker 12: And that is all part of Sean Combe's persona when
• 33:53
  Speaker 12: it comes to this case, and that's what they're going
• 33:55
  Speaker 12: to nail him on. And that's the coercion that this
• 33:58
  Speaker 12: girl lived with with being with Sean Colmes, you know.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Tom Smith. When you get a pimp, okay, And it's
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: usually the women, the sex workers that are prosecuted. The
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: pimp and the john, they're not prosecuted. It's a sex
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: worker the woman it gets prosecuted. In this case against
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Shawn Combs, I say he is nothing more than a pimp.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Could you explain how pimps manage to keep the women
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: that work for them in check?
• 34:31
  Speaker 12: Well, it't all a fear. It's violence and intimidation. And
• 34:35
  Speaker 12: the difference in Shawn Combs and a normal street pimp
• 34:38
  Speaker 12: is that no one is going to go against a
• 34:40
  Speaker 12: street pimp because they're so scared where Seawn Combs, there's
• 34:44
  Speaker 12: so much corroborating evidence against him about acting like this
• 34:48
  Speaker 12: and what he's done to these victims. And that's the
• 34:51
  Speaker 12: difference between going after a street kid and Seawan Combs.
• 34:55
  Speaker 12: And you're right, that's all he is is a pimp,
• 34:58
  Speaker 12: bottom line.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall. So I want you to weigh in
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: on what Tom Smith has just said, because when I
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: look at Comes, I don't see a star. I see
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: a pimp. And every pimp I've ever prosecuted had to
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: be a felony by the time I got a hold
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Bait the women.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Drugged, the women, threatened them, coerced them, threatened their families.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: The way we saw what happened to the threats on
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Cassie Ventura's family. They had to go take out a
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: home equity loan to bay his blackmail. According to the state,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: it's the same thing. It's no different.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: But you know, Nancy, what breaks my heart the most
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: when I listen to these communications is what I see
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: in my office that women come in thinking at first
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: that there's a real relationship, that that man is going
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: to protect them, that the initial three way is just
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: a little bit of wild excitement at the beginning of
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: a relationship that the first outfit that the guy buys
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: when they go shopping is like, oh my god, he
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: loves me. He probably has never bought a car tail
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: dress for anybody else before. So they do get seduced
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: into thinking there is a unique primary relationship.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Women do not choose to be abused.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: They get drawn in little by little, interaction by interaction,
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: and then once it becomes full blown. If you listen
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: to this interaction between p Ditty and Cassie, he's not
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: listening to anything she says. Nothing is taken in, nothing
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: is digested. He's just rejecting everything she says, and he's
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: trying to get more and more power over her. So
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: for unfortunately for her, what begins as what is imagined
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: as a real relationship turns into a reign of terror.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Troy Slatin with me veter on trial lawyer out of
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: the La jurisdiction at Slaton Lawyers. Troy, I don't know
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: if you've managed to get the vision I've Sawn comes
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: hunched over that video screen, licking his lips and rubbing
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: his hands together, demanding extra time to watch Cassie Ventira
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: on v with the three six workers that he has
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: flown in for the freak off. I don't know if
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: you can get that out of your mind and focus
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: on legal analysis.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: I want to hear your take.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: There's no way he can get out of count three,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: which is paying to bring sex workers across state lines
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: for prostitution. No way out at least on that count.
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: Well.
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: I know that the defense pointed out that this so
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: called escort company, one of them called Cowboys for Angels,
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: only advertises entertainment. They don't advertise that it's for the
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: purposes of sex. And I look at a really close analogy, Nancy.
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: Imagine somebody in New Jersey hires a stripper, a male
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: stripper for a bachelorette party, and they cross state lines
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: for the purposes of performing at a at a bachelor
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: at or bachelor party. And then let's say some of
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: the people there at that party engage that entertainer for sex.
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: Does that mean that the purpose of the transportation was
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: for legal entertainment, although in a sexual way, or does
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: that mean that that person was transported for the purpose
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: of a sex act. So I think that there's some
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: nuances there. And I also notice in the photographs that
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: you were showing, some of the evidentiary photographs like the astroglide,
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: all lined up perfectly like it was on a shelf
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: at CBS. That was all done by an assistant. That
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: wasn't Diddy setting up all those bottles. That's what billionaires
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: and high net worth people do, even in their refrigerators,
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: in their sub zero, in their kitchen. They make sure
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: that every single bottle has the label facing forward. That's
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: what people like to see, and that's likely what their
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: assistant set up for them. That doesn't mean that Diddy
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: was putting those things in the human door himself. That
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: was so his assistant could show that they were doing
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: something good for their for their value, for their time,
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: for what they were being paid for.
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  Speaker 7: That's what I see.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: You know, Slayton, you really are amazing. You are and
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: I've always heard the devil is silver tongued, and if
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: you listen to long, it's like a snake charmer. The
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: more you watch it, the more you become symbiotic with it,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: and you're in the groove and you start accepting it.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: You're really good like that. But let's talk about the
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: nuances you just described. So let's follow your train of thought,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: your assertation technical legal term bs to its logical conclusion.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: So you're trying to say, you call it I admire
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: that that okay, that Shall Combs with his own American
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Express card flies a sex worker. And it's not across
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: the border from Jersey to New York. It's from LA
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: to a sex worker.
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: I think they call themselves an escort, which is not.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: From LA to New York.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: And your theory is he was brought that far just
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: to dance around in some anal floss a G string,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: and then Cassie Venturira suddenly said, oh my stars, I
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: must have sex with him on video, and I must
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: be beaten by Sean Combs in the middle of it
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: for not doing it correctly. So that would be your
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: theory that Combs flew the sex worker, the male sex
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: worker across the country, a five hour flight to New
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: York and then to dance around in a G string.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: That's what you're saying.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: That's the nuance lie that you just said.
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: Well, Nancy, I was never at one of Diddy's freakoffs.
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: I was never invited to any of the the White
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: Party or any of the other parties. So I'm telling
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: you I wasn't there. But what I can tell you
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: is that people can get caught up in the celebrity
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: in a moment. And although they may not have been
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: transported for the purpose of the sex act, for actually
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: having sex, maybe they were transported for a legal reason
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: and then decided to engage in the sex act because.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: The to Carnegie Hall and and listened to the Nancy.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's why they somehow they ended up butt naked
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: with a bunch of other sex workers raping Cassie Venturira.
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: You tried to say that he's like no other street pimp,
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: But Nancy, here's the huge difference.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Is like every other street pimp.
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: Well here's the difference, Nancy. Every street pimp gets does
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: what they do for money. They're making money on it.
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: This was not some sort of enterprise that was making
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: Diddy money by allegedly transporting an escort. You call a
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: sex worker across the state line. That didn't make him money,
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: That cost him money.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Now we remember an American hero, Officer Tara O'Sullivan, Sacramento PD,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: just twenty six, gun down in a line of duty,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: had served only six months before she was shot dead,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: survived by brieving parents Dennis and Kelly, American hero Tara O'Sullivan,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,