Latest / Crime Night / Vanished on Black Friday: The Search for Cole Thomas
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- 0:00Speaker 1: So I want you to picture this. It is exactly
- 0:03Speaker 1: three am on Black Friday back in twenty sixteen. Okay,
- 0:06Speaker 1: and we are not talking about, you know, people lined
- 0:10Speaker 1: up outside a big box store waiting to buy a
- 0:12Speaker 1: cheap television, right right, No, we're in the really small,
- 0:17Speaker 1: super quiet town of Benson, North Carolina, and the streets
- 0:21Speaker 1: are just pitch black. The air is absolutely freezing. I
- 0:25Speaker 1: mean the town is practically a ghost town at this hour.
- 0:27Speaker 2: Oh yeah, completely dead exactly.
- 0:30Speaker 1: And in the local police department parking lot, they're a
- 0:33Speaker 1: couple of officers just sitting in their cruisers. They're, you know,
- 0:35Speaker 1: finishing up some routine paperwork, just enjoying the quiet of
- 0:38Speaker 1: the night, just.
- 0:39Speaker 2: A standard night shift.
- 0:40Speaker 3: Yeah, And then.
- 0:42Speaker 1: Out of that frigid darkness, two men just casually stroll
- 0:45Speaker 1: right up to the windows of the cruisers.
- 0:46Speaker 2: And they don't I mean, they don't run up. They
- 0:48Speaker 2: just walk right out of the shadows, completely unhurried, like
- 0:51Speaker 2: it's nothing right.
- 0:52Speaker 1: Their names are Julian Vays Junior and Jeremy Carpenter. And
- 0:56Speaker 1: the thing you really have to understand here is they
- 0:58Speaker 1: aren't panicked at all. They aren't out of breath, they
- 1:02Speaker 1: aren't screaming for help. They just calmly explain to the
- 1:05Speaker 1: officers that they need a locksmith.
- 1:08Speaker 2: A locksmith at three am, Yeah.
- 1:10Speaker 3: They say.
- 1:11Speaker 1: They're just passing through on their way back up to
- 1:13Speaker 1: Minnesota for a construction job, but they've been locked out
- 1:15Speaker 1: of their car, which is such a remarkably mundane request
- 1:20Speaker 1: for that time of night.
- 1:21Speaker 2: It really is. But underneath that incredibly casual demeanor is
- 1:25Speaker 2: a completely chilling reality. Oh absolutely, because the third man
- 1:29Speaker 2: they were traveling with, the guy who was literally just
- 1:31Speaker 2: driving their car minutes prior, has completely vanished into the night,
- 1:35Speaker 2: just gone.
- 1:36Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 1:37Speaker 2: And what's fascinating here is that this bizarre late night
- 1:41Speaker 2: parking lot encounter is actually the entry point into the
- 1:45Speaker 2: disappearance of twenty two year old Christopher Cole Thomas right,
- 1:49Speaker 2: and analyzing the source material for this deep dive reveals
- 1:52Speaker 2: a truly terrifying dynamic. We are looking at what happens
- 1:56Speaker 2: when the only witnesses to a potential crime are like
- 1:59Speaker 2: the exact same people who are actively trying to cover
- 2:02Speaker 2: it up. You're dealing with narrators who hold all the cards, right, Yeah,
- 2:06Speaker 2: and your only weapon to fight back is the silent
- 2:09Speaker 2: data they leave behind in their wake.
- 2:11Speaker 1: Yeah, we really have to look at the story Julian
- 2:13Speaker 1: and Jeremy initially fed to the police.
- 2:16Speaker 2: That night, the initial lie, right, the lie.
- 2:18Speaker 1: They claimed their friend Cole was driving, but out of nowhere,
- 2:21Speaker 1: he just started acting highly paranoid. Yeah, they say. He
- 2:24Speaker 1: obluctly slammed on the brakes, pulled the car over, ripped
- 2:28Speaker 1: the keys out of the ignition, threw them into the dark,
- 2:31Speaker 1: and then just jumped out of the car and sprint
- 2:33Speaker 1: it off in the pitch black night.
- 2:35Speaker 2: And keep in mind the geography here, because that's important.
- 2:38Speaker 2: Cole is originally from rural Florida, right, He doesn't know Benson,
- 2:42Speaker 2: North Carolina. It is a town he has never been to,
- 2:45Speaker 2: in a state he doesn't live in, in the absolute
- 2:47Speaker 2: dead of night.
- 2:48Speaker 3: Right.
- 2:49Speaker 1: And then Julian vaguely suggested the cops, almost like this
- 2:52Speaker 1: calculated afterthought, that he heard rumors Cole might have some
- 2:58Speaker 1: metal health struggles.
- 2:59Speaker 2: Ah, planting that seed.
- 3:01Speaker 1: Exactly, planting that seed of doubt super early on. But
- 3:04Speaker 1: look at how these two so called friends actually react
- 3:09Speaker 1: to their buddy running off into an unknown, freezing town.
- 3:13Speaker 2: They don't react at all.
- 3:14Speaker 1: They don't they don't form a search party. They don't
- 3:17Speaker 1: start shouting his name. They just wait for a locksmith
- 3:20Speaker 1: who ironically enough finds the keys right underneath the car.
- 3:23Speaker 1: Of course he does, yeah, And then they file this
- 3:25Speaker 1: super quick missing person's report with the local police. And
- 3:28Speaker 1: then they literally just get in the car and drive
- 3:30Speaker 1: back to Minnesota.
- 3:31Speaker 2: Because they have to get back to their construction jobs
- 3:33Speaker 2: on Monday, right, So they just abandon him. That is
- 3:36Speaker 2: the timeline they expect everyone to just you know, accept.
- 3:39Speaker 1: It is the absolute ultimate violation of the buddy system.
- 3:43Speaker 1: I mean, it's like going scuba diving, watching your partners
- 3:46Speaker 1: swim into a dark, unmapped cave and deciding to just
- 3:50Speaker 1: head back to the blunt for the buffet instead of
- 3:52Speaker 1: swimming after them or getting help.
- 3:54Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it.
- 3:55Speaker 1: And the part that makes my blood absolutely boil.
- 3:59Speaker 3: They never call it. No.
- 4:00Speaker 1: You report a guy missing to a random small town cop,
- 4:04Speaker 1: but you don't pick up the phone to call his
- 4:06Speaker 1: mom or dad to say, hey, your son just ran
- 4:09Speaker 1: off into the woods.
- 4:11Speaker 2: Right. The silence there is the detail that just screams
- 4:15Speaker 2: something is fundamentally wrong. I mean, imagine you are Cole's parents,
- 4:20Speaker 2: Chris and Kathy down in Florida. Oh man, you are
- 4:23Speaker 2: completely oblivious. You had just exchanged casual Thanksgiving text messages
- 4:28Speaker 2: with Cole like a.
- 4:29Speaker 1: Day earlier, right, totally normal stuff.
- 4:31Speaker 2: Yeah, there was zero mention of a cross country road
- 4:34Speaker 2: trip to North Carolina. You don't even know he's in
- 4:36Speaker 2: that state until Sunday when the Benson police call you
- 4:39Speaker 2: out of the blue to say your son is missing.
- 4:41Speaker 1: Imagine picking up that phone call, the absolute reality bending
- 4:45Speaker 1: shock of that.
- 4:46Speaker 2: It's unthinkable.
- 4:47Speaker 1: But Cole's dad, Chris, he doesn't just freeze up. He
- 4:50Speaker 1: immediately snaps into action right now. He doesn't know Julian
- 4:53Speaker 1: or Jeremy, right, because Cole has only been working this
- 4:56Speaker 1: Minnesota construction gig for about a month.
- 4:59Speaker 2: Pretty good job.
- 4:59Speaker 1: Yeah, but Chris does know the name of Cole's boss,
- 5:02Speaker 1: a guy named Stephen. So Chris frantically tracks Stephen down
- 5:06Speaker 1: on Facebook and sends him this urgent message demanding he
- 5:10Speaker 1: call immediately, and.
- 5:11Speaker 2: The resulting phone call is where the bottom just completely
- 5:13Speaker 2: falls out of the parents world.
- 5:15Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 5:15Speaker 2: When Stephen calls Chris, he opens by saying, uh, oh,
- 5:19Speaker 2: I've been trying to get a hold of you, which
- 5:21Speaker 2: is highly unlikely given that Chris is very easy to
- 5:23Speaker 2: find online, right, a total lie. But Chris just listens
- 5:27Speaker 2: and Steven starts rambling wildly. He talks about a strip search,
- 5:31Speaker 2: about Cole freaking out, and then he drops a sentence
- 5:34Speaker 2: that no parent should, ever, under any circumstances, have to hear.
- 5:38Speaker 3: Oh, this part is just brutal.
- 5:40Speaker 2: Stephen bluntly says, I think they killed him.
- 5:43Speaker 1: I mean, you send your kid off to learn a trade,
- 5:45Speaker 1: and a month later his boss tells you he's been murdered.
- 5:48Speaker 2: And then Stephen reveals this was never a harmless holiday
- 5:51Speaker 2: road trip. Julian and Jeremy drove all the way from
- 5:53Speaker 2: Minnesota to North Carolina, specifically to buy a large quantity
- 5:57Speaker 2: of methamphetamine a methron Yeah, cross country meth run. They
- 6:02Speaker 2: met up with some very dangerous people in the local
- 6:04Speaker 2: drug trade, and Steven tells the dad that something went
- 6:07Speaker 2: horribly violently wrong.
- 6:10Speaker 3: Just plow.
- 6:11Speaker 2: And if you analyze this from a psychological perspective, consider
- 6:14Speaker 2: how a human brain processes that trauma.
- 6:17Speaker 3: It can't.
- 6:18Speaker 2: Right, in one second, your son is this smart, driven
- 6:22Speaker 2: former high school salutatorian who is just you know, taking
- 6:26Speaker 2: a temporary break from college to learn a construction trade. Yeah,
- 6:29Speaker 2: in the very next second, he is the victim of
- 6:32Speaker 2: a cross country drug cartel hit. It is a violent
- 6:35Speaker 2: pivot from utter normalcy straight into a nightmare with absolutely
- 6:39Speaker 2: no transition.
- 6:40Speaker 1: But Chris and Caffey they don't collapse. They throw their
- 6:43Speaker 1: belongings in a truck and drive straight to North Carolina,
- 6:45Speaker 1: straight into the fire exactly. And when they relay what
- 6:48Speaker 1: Stephen told them to the local authorities, the police finally
- 6:51Speaker 1: realize they've been completely played by the two guys in
- 6:54Speaker 1: the parking lot.
- 6:54Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the cops are mad now.
- 6:56Speaker 1: So the cops track Julian and Jeremy down and bring
- 6:59Speaker 1: them back to North Carolina for a much more intense
- 7:01Speaker 1: round of questioning. Now with the heat turned up, the
- 7:04Speaker 1: guys admit, okay, yes, we went to a neighboring town
- 7:07Speaker 1: called Mount Olive. We bought meth from two guys named
- 7:10Speaker 1: Rudy and TJ.
- 7:11Speaker 2: They finally admit to the drugs.
- 7:13Speaker 1: Right, but they hold the line on the core story.
- 7:15Speaker 1: They still insist Cole got paranoid and ran off alone.
- 7:18Speaker 2: But this is where the narrative shifts from human deception
- 7:22Speaker 2: to technological truth.
- 7:23Speaker 3: Oh I love this part.
- 7:25Speaker 2: Because human beings can sit in an interrogation room and
- 7:28Speaker 2: lie all day long, they can match their stories, they
- 7:31Speaker 2: can feign ignorance. But cameras are entirely impartial witnesses.
- 7:35Speaker 1: Yes they are, and the police know they need more
- 7:38Speaker 1: than just a gut feeling. And there is this local investigator,
- 7:42Speaker 1: Captain Greg Percy, who basically becomes obsessed with this case.
- 7:46Speaker 2: He really he.
- 7:47Speaker 1: Brings hours and hours of surveillance footage home. He is
- 7:50Speaker 1: literally sitting at his kitchen table in the middle of
- 7:52Speaker 1: the night in December. His family is asleep and he's
- 7:55Speaker 1: just scrubbing through grainy video, frame by.
- 7:58Speaker 2: Frame, just brutal tea.
- 8:00Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 8:01Speaker 1: Eventually, he is looking at footage from a camera mounted
- 8:03Speaker 1: outside of Walgreens in Benson. The camera's pointing at the
- 8:07Speaker 1: pharmacy parking lot, but it catches a tiny blurry sliver
- 8:11Speaker 1: of a bank across the street. And at exactly one
- 8:15Speaker 1: ten am he sees a ghost.
- 8:17Speaker 2: He spots movement in the far distance, right on the
- 8:20Speaker 2: edge of the frame.
- 8:21Speaker 1: Right, He zooms in, enhances it and it's coal. Cole
- 8:25Speaker 1: is walking behind the bank. Yeah, but he's not sprinting
- 8:28Speaker 1: into the woods in a paranoid frenzy like they said. No,
- 8:30Speaker 1: he's walking, and more importantly, he is not alone. Walking
- 8:34Speaker 1: right behind him, keeping perfect pace.
- 8:36Speaker 2: Is Jeremy, which completely shatters the entire foundation of their
- 8:40Speaker 2: three am police report.
- 8:42Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this, because when the police slam this
- 8:45Speaker 1: Walgreens footage down on the table in front of Jeremy,
- 8:47Speaker 1: you would think the game is upright, You'd think so,
- 8:49Speaker 1: But no, his story magically evolves right on the spot.
- 8:52Speaker 1: Confronted with undeniable proof that he was walking right behind Cole,
- 8:56Speaker 1: Jeremy says, oh, right, I followed him to calm him down.
- 9:00Speaker 2: T'sre he did.
- 9:00Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 9:01Speaker 1: He claims they walked together to a nearby church. Then
- 9:04Speaker 1: he says Cole went behind the building to pee. And
- 9:07Speaker 1: what does Jeremy say he did in that exact moment?
- 9:09Speaker 1: He says, he got down on his knees and started praying.
- 9:12Speaker 2: Praying in the middle of an interstate meth smuggling operation.
- 9:16Speaker 1: Right, I cannot get past the sheer absurdity of this lie.
- 9:20Speaker 1: He claims that while his eyes are closed in deep prayer,
- 9:23Speaker 1: he hears a car.
- 9:24Speaker 2: Door close or gunshots? Right?
- 9:26Speaker 1: Oh right, wait, he says, maybe he was gunshots. Yeah,
- 9:29Speaker 1: he tells the cop season sure, but when he finishes
- 9:31Speaker 1: praying and opens his eyes, Cole is just magically gone
- 9:34Speaker 1: o vanished. And then Jeremy says he was feeling thirsty
- 9:39Speaker 1: because he's diabetic, so he just casually strolls over to
- 9:41Speaker 1: McDonald's for a cup of water at two twenty am.
- 9:44Speaker 2: Which, incredibly the police actually verify on the McDonald's interior
- 9:48Speaker 2: surveillance footage.
- 9:49Speaker 1: Wait, really, the McDonald's part was true?
- 9:51Speaker 2: Yeah, and that McDonald's detail is absolutely crucial to understanding
- 9:55Speaker 2: the psychology of a crumbling alibi. Also, when guilty people
- 10:00Speaker 2: will fabricate a story to cover up a crime, they
- 10:02Speaker 2: almost never invent the entire narrative from scratch because it's
- 10:05Speaker 2: too hard to remember exactly. Pure fiction is way too
- 10:09Speaker 2: difficult for the brain to keep straight under pressure. Instead,
- 10:12Speaker 2: they sprinkle real, verifiable elements into a sea of fiction. Ah,
- 10:17Speaker 2: I see, Jeremy really did go to McDonald's. The camera
- 10:21Speaker 2: proves it. He strategically anchors his lie to that real,
- 10:26Speaker 2: verifiable event to make the surrounding fiction. You know, the
- 10:30Speaker 2: spontaneous prayer session, the mysterious gunshots with his eyes closed
- 10:35Speaker 2: seem plausible to the detectives.
- 10:37Speaker 1: Man, that is so manipulative. But the physical footage of
- 10:40Speaker 1: them walking behind the bank is honestly just the appetizer here,
- 10:44Speaker 1: it really is. The digital forensics in this case are
- 10:47Speaker 1: where the ultimate betrayal happens, because when Julian and Jeremy
- 10:50Speaker 1: were brought back to North Carolina for that second round
- 10:53Speaker 1: of questioning, they did something that reveals a staggering level
- 10:57Speaker 1: of hubris.
- 10:58Speaker 2: What did they do?
- 10:59Speaker 1: They casually hand it over Cole's cell phone to the police.
- 11:01Speaker 2: Which means they had his device in their pockets the
- 11:04Speaker 2: entire time.
- 11:05Speaker 1: Right, Wait, why on earth would you hand over the
- 11:08Speaker 1: victim's phone if you were the one responsible for his disappearance?
- 11:11Speaker 3: Would you just like throw it in a river?
- 11:12Speaker 2: You'd think it speaks to a massive underestimation of modern technology.
- 11:16Speaker 2: They likely thought, oh, we didn't send any text messages
- 11:19Speaker 2: about killing him, so the phone is clean.
- 11:21Speaker 1: Oh, they thought just deleting texts was enough.
- 11:23Speaker 2: Exactly, they don't understand that a phone doesn't need to
- 11:26Speaker 2: be actively used to tell a story. And this is
- 11:28Speaker 2: where a private investigator hired by Cole's family, a man
- 11:32Speaker 2: named David Marshburn, completely turns the case upside down.
- 11:36Speaker 3: Okay, I love this guy already.
- 11:38Speaker 2: He takes the raw cell phone data from everyone involved
- 11:40Speaker 2: and dumps it into a forensic mapping app called sell Hawk.
- 11:44Speaker 1: Okay, so how does that actually work? Because we hear
- 11:46Speaker 1: about cell tower pings on crime shows all the time,
- 11:50Speaker 1: But what is sell hawk actually mapping?
- 11:52Speaker 2: It's actually pretty simple. Think of your cell phone as
- 11:54Speaker 2: a very needy digital pet.
- 11:56Speaker 3: Okay.
- 11:57Speaker 2: Even when it is sitting in your pocket with the
- 11:59Speaker 2: screen off, it is constantly reaching out searching for a signal.
- 12:03Speaker 2: Every few seconds. It is essentially shouting, I'm here, who's
- 12:06Speaker 2: the closest cell tower?
- 12:07Speaker 3: And the towers respond?
- 12:09Speaker 2: Right, The towers respond, and your phone logs that connection
- 12:12Speaker 2: to ensure you can receive a call at a moment's notice.
- 12:15Speaker 2: Sell Hawk takes all those thousands of silent digital handshakes
- 12:19Speaker 2: and triangulates them.
- 12:20Speaker 3: Oh wow.
- 12:21Speaker 2: Yeah. It turns massive spreadsheets of data into a high
- 12:24Speaker 2: definition minute by minute map of exactly who is where
- 12:28Speaker 2: and when.
- 12:28Speaker 1: And the map sell Hawk generates tells a story that
- 12:32Speaker 1: absolutely decimates.
- 12:33Speaker 2: Their timeline, completely ruins it.
- 12:35Speaker 1: The data proves the drug deal happened at eleven three,
- 12:37Speaker 1: eight pm in Mount Olive, just like they finally admitted, okay,
- 12:40Speaker 1: But here is the massive red flag. From one point
- 12:44Speaker 1: seven am to three four five am, all three phones, Julian's,
- 12:49Speaker 1: Jeremies and Cole's do not move an inch. They are
- 12:52Speaker 1: completely stationary in Benson.
- 12:54Speaker 2: Let that sink in for a second. They told the
- 12:56Speaker 2: police at three am that Cole had just run off
- 12:59Speaker 2: with the keys, but Cole's phone was sitting right next
- 13:02Speaker 2: to their phones the entire time they were talking to
- 13:05Speaker 2: those officers.
- 13:05Speaker 1: It's insane. And then right after Jillian and Jeremy finished
- 13:09Speaker 1: filing that missing person report, what happens The stationary dots
- 13:13Speaker 1: start moving. Oh, of course, Julian and Jeremy take Cole's
- 13:15Speaker 1: phone and they start driving back toward Mount.
- 13:18Speaker 2: Olive, which fundamentally contradicts their entire story. I mean, if
- 13:21Speaker 2: your friend just had a mental breakdown and ran into
- 13:23Speaker 2: the woods and you were supposedly waiting for him to
- 13:26Speaker 2: come back to the car, you don't take his only lifeline,
- 13:28Speaker 2: his cell phone, away from the exact location he vanished
- 13:31Speaker 2: from exactly.
- 13:32Speaker 1: And here's where it gets really interesting. Just after four am,
- 13:37Speaker 1: Cole's phone goes completely dark, shut off. Yeah, it is
- 13:41Speaker 1: manually cut off or destroyed. Yeah, but hours later, it
- 13:45Speaker 1: unexpectedly turns back on deep in Wayne County, which happens.
- 13:49Speaker 3: To be exactly where the drug dealers live.
- 13:51Speaker 2: Wow.
- 13:52Speaker 1: And the absolute second that phone turns back on, Julian
- 13:56Speaker 1: and Jeremy start repeatedly calling it from their own phones.
- 14:00Speaker 2: Oh that's a classic staging technique. Really, yes, they are
- 14:03Speaker 2: creating a fake digital paper trail so they can later say,
- 14:06Speaker 2: you know, look at our callogus. We were desperately trying
- 14:09Speaker 2: to reach him.
- 14:10Speaker 1: It is like an invisible ankle monitor. They completely forgot
- 14:13Speaker 1: they were wearing.
- 14:14Speaker 2: That's a great analogy.
- 14:15Speaker 1: They thought they were the sole narrators of this story.
- 14:17Speaker 1: They had no idea that Cole's phone was silently taking
- 14:20Speaker 1: meticulous notes in their own pockets the entire night, just
- 14:23Speaker 1: recording every single lie.
- 14:24Speaker 2: Right, and once the location data exposes the lie, the
- 14:28Speaker 2: entire focus of the investigation shifts from what happened to
- 14:31Speaker 2: why it happens, the motive exactly and PI David Marshburne
- 14:35Speaker 2: develops a deeply chilling theory based on the cell movements
- 14:39Speaker 2: and his own quiet infiltration of this local drug network.
- 14:43Speaker 2: He suspects a double cross.
- 14:45Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm a little confused by this part of
- 14:47Speaker 1: the theory. If Julian is the one setting up the
- 14:50Speaker 1: deal to buy the meth, why would he coordinate an
- 14:54Speaker 1: ambush on his own vehicle. I mean, how does he
- 14:56Speaker 1: make any money if he gets robbed.
- 14:58Speaker 2: It's a brilliant, you know, completely roofless scam. Marshburn believes
- 15:03Speaker 2: Julian's plan was never to just buy the meth and
- 15:05Speaker 2: split the profits fairly with his coworkers back in Minnesota.
- 15:08Speaker 3: Oh so he was greedy, highly greedy.
- 15:10Speaker 2: He suspects Julian secretly coordinated with the dealers, Rudy and
- 15:14Speaker 2: his guys. The theory is that Julian arranged to buy
- 15:17Speaker 2: the drugs with the pooled money and then tipped off
- 15:19Speaker 2: Rudy's crew to ambush them on the drive back to
- 15:21Speaker 2: steal the drugs back.
- 15:22Speaker 3: Wait, steal the drugs back right.
- 15:24Speaker 2: By doing this, Rudy gets to keep the drugs and
- 15:26Speaker 2: sell them twice. Julian gets a massive secret cut of
- 15:29Speaker 2: the money from Rudy for setting up the heist, and
- 15:32Speaker 2: to his coworkers, Julian just looks like a fellow victim
- 15:34Speaker 2: of a random highway robbery.
- 15:36Speaker 1: That is incredibly devious. But there was a flaw in
- 15:40Speaker 1: the plan.
- 15:40Speaker 2: Wasn't there a huge flaw?
- 15:42Speaker 1: Because Julian had only known Cole for a month on
- 15:45Speaker 1: this construction site. He looked at Cole, you know, a
- 15:49Speaker 1: pre med white kid from rural Florida, and made this
- 15:53Speaker 1: arrogant assumption. He assumed Cole only spoke English, right, But
- 15:57Speaker 1: Cole actually knew a good bit of Spanish.
- 16:00Speaker 2: That is the hidden advantage that changes the entire complexion
- 16:03Speaker 2: of that night.
- 16:04Speaker 1: Did this hidden skill actually seal his fate? I mean,
- 16:07Speaker 1: imagine being Coal in that car. Did he overhear Julian
- 16:11Speaker 1: and Rudy discussing this violent double cross in Spanish during
- 16:14Speaker 1: the drug deal?
- 16:15Speaker 2: It's very possible.
- 16:16Speaker 1: Did the realization suddenly wash over him that he wasn't
- 16:18Speaker 1: just a higher driver, but the unwitting getaway guy in
- 16:21Speaker 1: a staged armed robbery.
- 16:23Speaker 2: That changes everything.
- 16:24Speaker 3: It really does.
- 16:25Speaker 1: That would entirely explain why he was driving frantically, why
- 16:28Speaker 1: he slammed on the brakes, why he was genuinely terrified,
- 16:31Speaker 1: and why he pulled the car over and ran.
- 16:33Speaker 2: He wasn't having a paranoid breakdown, you know, he was
- 16:36Speaker 2: trying to save his own life.
- 16:37Speaker 1: If we connect this to the bigger picture. You have
- 16:39Speaker 1: to look at the fate of the missing drugs right,
- 16:42Speaker 1: because someone.
- 16:42Speaker 3: Has to pay for them.
- 16:43Speaker 2: Exactly during that frantic, terrifying drive, it is highly likely
- 16:48Speaker 2: that either Coal or Jeremy tossed the meth out the
- 16:51Speaker 2: window in a panic man and in the illicit drug world,
- 16:54Speaker 2: missing product isn't right off, it equals a lethal bet.
- 16:58Speaker 2: Suddenly the double cross goes wrong. The drugs are gone,
- 17:01Speaker 2: the money is gone, and someone has to pay for
- 17:03Speaker 2: it with their.
- 17:03Speaker 1: Life, which leads to a desperate, agonizing scramble by the
- 17:08Speaker 1: investigators and Cole's family to get someone, anyone to break
- 17:12Speaker 1: their silence. Oh want us to talk, right, so Pi
- 17:15Speaker 1: Marshburn tracks down another guy connected to the dealers, a
- 17:18Speaker 1: local guy who goes by Gordo. Okay, and Gordo actually
- 17:22Speaker 1: admits to Marshburn that he was called in to track
- 17:24Speaker 1: Cole down that night. He admits it, he does, but
- 17:27Speaker 1: his story shifts wildly depending on who is asking. First,
- 17:30Speaker 1: he says Cole willingly got into his car to escape
- 17:32Speaker 1: the cold, Then he changes it and says they threatened
- 17:35Speaker 1: Cole with a gun. Then he changes it again, claiming
- 17:38Speaker 1: they hit Coal with a baseball bat and threw him.
- 17:40Speaker 3: In the trunk.
- 17:41Speaker 2: Classic misdirection. But words are cheap without evidence. When police
- 17:46Speaker 2: finally secure a warrant to search Gordo's car, they literally
- 17:50Speaker 2: tear it apart. They swab for DNA, they look for
- 17:52Speaker 2: microscopic blood spatter, they hunt for any forensic evidence that
- 17:56Speaker 2: matches his violent stories.
- 17:58Speaker 3: And what do they find.
- 17:59Speaker 2: Absolutely nothing definitive. It's just another dead end constructed entirely out.
- 18:04Speaker 1: Of lies, which pushes Cole's dad to make what has
- 18:07Speaker 1: to be the most heartbreaking, desperate tactical move I have
- 18:10Speaker 1: ever heard of in a.
- 18:11Speaker 3: True crime case.
- 18:12Speaker 1: It really is Chris the father actually dips into his
- 18:16Speaker 1: own pockets and puts up his own money to pay
- 18:19Speaker 1: the bail bond for Tigi onto the drug dealers, who
- 18:22Speaker 1: is arrested on lesser charges.
- 18:24Speaker 2: It is a massive emotional gamble, but it relies on
- 18:27Speaker 2: a well known psychological concept in interrogations, the prisoner's dilemma.
- 18:32Speaker 1: Oh, I've heard of that, right.
- 18:34Speaker 2: When you have four suspects who share a deadly secret,
- 18:37Speaker 2: their strength relies on their collective silence. But if you
- 18:40Speaker 2: can pull one suspect out of the pack, remove him
- 18:42Speaker 2: from the physical influence and intimidation of the other men.
- 18:46Speaker 2: Paranoia starts to set in, so they think he's going
- 18:48Speaker 2: to flip exactly. You isolate him in the hopes that
- 18:51Speaker 2: he will talk, just to save himself before the others do.
- 18:53Speaker 1: Just imagine the sheer, agonizing courage it takes for a
- 18:56Speaker 1: father to walk into a bondsman's office and hand over
- 18:59Speaker 1: a stack of his heart and cash to free a
- 19:02Speaker 1: man who very likely helped murder his son. Unimaginable, all
- 19:06Speaker 1: for just a sliver of the truth. So they get
- 19:09Speaker 1: TJ out on bail and they bring in Cole's mom, Kathy.
- 19:12Speaker 2: Wow.
- 19:14Speaker 1: She sits down with TJ in a room, not as
- 19:15Speaker 1: an aggressive interrogator, you know, but mother to mother. She
- 19:18Speaker 1: appeals directly to his humanity, laying bare the absolute agony
- 19:22Speaker 1: their family is drowning in. Yeah. She begs him to
- 19:24Speaker 1: just tell her where her boy is. You can almost
- 19:26Speaker 1: feel the shift in the room. Yeah. TJ finally breaks,
- 19:30Speaker 1: but only just enough to look at her and say
- 19:32Speaker 1: he's gone, y'all.
- 19:33Speaker 2: That is just It is the absolute worst confirmation a
- 19:36Speaker 2: parent can hear, the confirmation they always dreaded. Yeah, but
- 19:39Speaker 2: legally speaking, it still isn't a location it isn't a body,
- 19:42Speaker 2: it isn't a detailed confession, it isn't nearly enough for
- 19:45Speaker 2: a homicide conviction.
- 19:46Speaker 1: And that brings us to the incredibly tragic limbo of
- 19:50Speaker 1: where this case stands today. Four men were initially charged
- 19:54Speaker 1: with concealing a death and obstruction of justice, but eventually
- 19:57Speaker 1: the state completely dropped all those.
- 19:59Speaker 2: Charges, which sounds like a total defeat. But you have
- 20:02Speaker 2: to understand the legal mechanism at play here, right, because it's.
- 20:05Speaker 3: Not actually a defeat, is it.
- 20:06Speaker 2: No, it is a highly strategic move by the prosecution
- 20:09Speaker 2: regarding double jeopardy laws.
- 20:11Speaker 3: Okay, he's playing that.
- 20:12Speaker 2: It's like playing high stakes poker with a terrible hand.
- 20:15Speaker 2: You know, you are currently holding losing cards because you
- 20:18Speaker 2: don't have a.
- 20:18Speaker 1: Body, no body, no murder charge.
- 20:20Speaker 3: Right.
- 20:21Speaker 2: If you go to trial on a lesser charge like
- 20:23Speaker 2: manslaughter right now, and the jury acquits them double jeopardy attaches,
- 20:28Speaker 2: you can never ever charge them with murder later, even
- 20:31Speaker 2: if you find Cole's remains tomorrow. Oh I see, So
- 20:34Speaker 2: the prosecution folds the hand. They drop the lesser charges
- 20:38Speaker 2: so they can keep their chips, hoping to play a
- 20:40Speaker 2: winning hand. A first degree murder if the body is
- 20:43Speaker 2: ever found.
- 20:43Speaker 1: But time is the enemy of justice. In twenty twenty four,
- 20:48Speaker 1: Jeremy Carpenter passed away, taking whatever he really saw that
- 20:52Speaker 1: night and whatever secrets he was hiding, straight.
- 20:55Speaker 2: To his grave, leaving the family and the investigators still
- 20:58Speaker 2: just waiting in the.
- 20:59Speaker 1: Dark, you know, sitting here looking at all the data,
- 21:01Speaker 1: the cell tower logs, the surveillance footage. So what does
- 21:04Speaker 1: this all mean. It means someone out there still knows
- 21:08Speaker 1: exactly where Cole Thomas is. Oh, absolutely, they know the coordinates,
- 21:12Speaker 1: but they are stubbornly holding out, gritting their teeth against
- 21:16Speaker 1: a mountain of digital data that already proves to the
- 21:19Speaker 1: world they are lying.
- 21:21Speaker 2: It brings up a paradox that is incredibly unique to
- 21:23Speaker 2: our modern age, something that goes far beyond just this
- 21:26Speaker 2: one case. What do you mean, Well, we talk all
- 21:28Speaker 2: the time about the permanence of the internet, right, about
- 21:30Speaker 2: the right to be forgotten. We spend our entire lives
- 21:33Speaker 2: generating this indestructible digital ghost. Our texts, our GPS payings
- 21:39Speaker 2: are surveillance footage.
- 21:40Speaker 1: Right, we leave a massive footprint exactly.
- 21:43Speaker 2: This data is immortal. It lives forever in servers and
- 21:46Speaker 2: cell towers, and yet despite leaving behind this permanent, high
- 21:50Speaker 2: definition digital trail, the actual physical human being can still
- 21:55Speaker 2: be violently erased without a trace.
- 21:57Speaker 3: That is terrifying.
- 21:59Speaker 2: We have built a world where it is basically impossible
- 22:02Speaker 2: to delete your data, but shockingly easy to vanish your
- 22:05Speaker 2: physical body.
- 22:06Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, a cell phone
- 22:08Speaker 1: ping can tell you that a car stopped moving, a
- 22:10Speaker 1: security camera can show you a ghost walking behind a
- 22:12Speaker 1: bank in the freezing cold. But until the people who
- 22:15Speaker 1: are actually standing there decided to finally break their silence,
- 22:18Speaker 1: you are still just staring into a pitch black cave,
- 22:20Speaker 1: wondering what really happened in the dark