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Clayface And The Fear Of Losing Yourself · High n' Dry Podcast

• 0:16
  SPEAKER_02: The magic of clayface.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was watching I have a lot of thoughts.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_03: I have a lot of thoughts.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well anyway, so hey everybody.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_00: Were you thinking about me while you watched it?
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_03: From time to time, yeah.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_03: I found myself going, I wonder how he's feeling about this right now.
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  SPEAKER_03: But I'm excited to find out.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_03: So hey everybody.
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  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to High and Drive Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm your host, Ryan Barrett North.
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  SPEAKER_03: With me as always, James Crosslin.
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  SPEAKER_03: We, of course, the only podcast keeping alive the fandom of Greg the Bunny.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I remember Greg the Bunny.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, with uh what's his face?
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  SPEAKER_03: With uh Chris Griffin.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  unknown: Yeah.
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  unknown: Yeah.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_03: There was like a funny one or two.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it was a thing he did on IFC.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_03: That's about all I remember about.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_00: Jerry Crilson burning the shit out of my eyes.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_03: They did the pulp fiction parody.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_03: That was funny.
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  SPEAKER_03: That was a good one.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, well, now it's back.
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  SPEAKER_03: But Greg the Bunny is back now in the conversation.
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  SPEAKER_03: So you're welcome.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_03: That's high and drive for you.
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  SPEAKER_03: But we're not going to be talking about Greg the Bunny all day.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's on our other podcast.
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  SPEAKER_03: This week we're going to be talking about the film Clayface, and we're going to be doing it a method to get you the most results for your podcasting book.
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  SPEAKER_03: All right, first we're going to rate this thing out of five stars.
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  SPEAKER_03: The definitive rating can never be argued again.
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  SPEAKER_03: After that, we're going to jump onto the golden path and unlock the deeper meanings behind the film.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then finally, we're going to insert ourselves into the film.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_03: And what makes it so special and fun is that we'll be doing it under the influence.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_03: James, what do you got today?
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_00: I've still got my standard.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: This might be my very last UV one.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think I have enough left to continue this trend.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_00: And so I'll have to find something else.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: I think I'm going to move on next week to maybe meth.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_00: I think just I think just get a meth pipe and yeah.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_03: Just see what happens.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you can stop whenever you want, right?
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's pretty easy.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's generally what people have reported.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_03: Dope.
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  unknown: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: As long as that's the case.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_03: But they're like, why stop?
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, that's all good.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, good.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_03: Well, and I'll be joining you.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna be uh a little hair of the dog um on this one.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_03: We went out last night, me and Callie just sort of having a good evening.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's been stressful, you know.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm a little uh I'm dragging ass a little bit here.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_03: So this is hopefully gonna wake me up.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_03: Here is my Buffalo Trace, Kentucky bourbon.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_03: That's uh what is that, uh 90?
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's 90 horsepower.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_03: So first toast, first hit, first shot.
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  SPEAKER_03: This one goes out to our newest listeners.
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  SPEAKER_03: These ones joining us from Dallas, Texas.
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  SPEAKER_03: And nice.
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  SPEAKER_00: The heart of the heart of America.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Dallas.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_03: And then we also got some more Borden in Oregon, Hertford of Hertfordshire, and Houston, Texas.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_02: Houston, Texas.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow, got some Texas people.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, just so you know, Texas people, I'm opening a Texas barbecue place in San Diego.
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  SPEAKER_00: Come visit me.
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  SPEAKER_03: Traditionally, where you get the best Texas barbecue.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: Come trash me.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's not it's not uh it's not authentic.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_03: Well, here's to uh here's to them.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_03: Cheers.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_02: My body's going like, really, dude, we're doing this again.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_00: I just taste really good.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, me too.
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  SPEAKER_03: So second toast, second hit, second shot.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_03: This one goes out too.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I guess uh well, here's to your Texas rib joint over in San Diego.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_03: Here's to your new venture.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Cheers.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_00: I forget what makes barbecue Texas.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_00: So usually they don't sauce what they've cooked.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_00: They include like sauce on the side, but it's like all about building up really good bark.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's right around.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's like a Texas brisket, is like Texas brisket and ribs are both like salt, pepper, garlic powder on the outside.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
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  SPEAKER_00: You get like this really what you're aiming for is like a really like bumpy, like on a brisket, it's called the meteorite look.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_00: It looks like a meteorite.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: And for ribs, when you bite into it, you just want a little bit of that like crackle on your on your teeth and tongue as you bite in, and then yeah, the sauce on the side.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_02: That sounds good.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_02: I'm eating uh I'm eating beef again, so oh nice.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so that all sounds wonderful.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: Can't wait to get you some brisket when you're down here.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, no, I'm ready to try it all.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, so final toast, final hit.
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  SPEAKER_02: This one goes out to our film this week.
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  SPEAKER_02: Here is to Clayface.
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  SPEAKER_00: Clayface.
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  SPEAKER_00: Cheers.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh boy.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to remember if there was anything like super quotable from the movie.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: Usually I say quotes from a movie, and I'm trying to really rack in my brain.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, she I remember the the doctor quotes quotes a different person when she says that the best revenge is a life well lived.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: That's not the quote.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_00: That's not their quote, that's a different quote.
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  SPEAKER_03: No, she was um uh Miss Queen of Ethics.
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  SPEAKER_03: Really, really, really nailing that.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_03: The ethical researcher for sure.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_00: Certainly a flawed group of people in this movie.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_03: Without a doubt.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_03: Well, let's talk about it.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_03: So um, for those of you who haven't seen it yet, spoilers ahead, this one deals with clayface.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's propaganda, first off.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_03: First off, yeah, the only decent dude was a cop, which it's already a fantasy.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_03: But I mean, it's the same universe where the billionaire dude is giving everything he has to keeping the streets safe.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_03: It was weird to begin with.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_03: So you have to if you don't have a difficult relationship with Batman, but you're not really critically.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_00: You don't know much about Batman.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you should always be like, I don't know, Batman.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so um Clayface, did you want to uh run through the about?
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'd be happy to.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_00: So the story starts out, and we're following uh our protagonist, I guess.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_00: We're following the subject of our story, Matt Hagen, who is um an actor, and he's got a pretty, pretty boy face.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: And uh he's up for an Oscar, and his life is really turning around.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: He's getting big movie roles and stuff, and he came from nothing, and uh he's really riding high on his successes.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and a woman in a club starts grinding on him and trying to give him drugs, and his friend is like, don't do that.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: She's with a mob boss, and he's like, Yeah, well, whatever.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: Who cares if I have sex with a mob boss's woman?
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: What's the worst that can happen?
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_00: And then the mob the mob boss slashes up his pretty, pretty boy face.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and that is the inciting incident for Clayface that he his life is like destroyed by it.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: He loses all of his work and his sense of self because his sense of self was all wrapped up in the in being an actor, and he uh and he tries to have a bunch of surgeries that fail, and he eventually finds an experimental doctor who uh is working with nanotechnology to uh help rebuild uh flesh.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_03: And and with a fast and loose relationship with ethics.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: So she shall it's a tech startup, and she uh plans to move fast and break things.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_00: And uh and uh but he she she initially refuses, but he makes a compelling argument because he's a real uh he's a real smooth talker.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I feel like he makes a really he makes he he ends up getting her, hooking her with his argument uh to like fix his face.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so they do this nanotechnology treatment.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: He debuts it too soon and has like a uh, you know, his face is like fixed.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_00: He debuts it too soon and it falls apart.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: He rushes back to her and in his uh in his haste to like his fear of like not of failing again, he injects himself with all of the nanobots, which is way more than the doctor planned for.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, and he starts to be able to not control the nanobots, and they change his body when he doesn't want them to.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: He starts to get more control and then goes to hunt for revenge on all of the people who wronged him.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: Uh uh, and eventually he uh he starts to, I feel like the power kind of builds so much that he becomes like a narcissist and eventually uh gets like obsessed with the doctor, kills her her fiance, and uh and eventually she does the kill switch on the nanobots and uh and he washes away into the sewer.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: At the end of the movie, we see that he's actually still around.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and he's now he's now more amorphous than before, not really human, though he can kind of take the form at times, but he's an amorphous, he's clay faced as we know him.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, that's the end of the movie.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: I left out the interpretive elements and I just went through the kind of like the scene by scene.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_03: This is what you got, this is what you're looking at.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_03: Well, let's let's break it down.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_03: So, um, how do we feel about this thing?
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_03: So, shall I kick off the scoring?
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_03: Sure, go for it.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_03: All right, so watching this thing, honestly, I really enjoyed it.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I I had a really good time.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_03: I thought it was a great uh edition, and it reminded me why DC's villains are the best.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_03: The thing about DC's villains is that each one of them has a background, has a human story, and there are parts of them that you relate to.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_03: And his fears and insecurities and everything like that.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_03: We got to see that.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_03: There was no end credit scene, it wasn't a commercial just for another hero movie.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_03: It was totally capable of standing on its own.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um, the acting here I thought uh was really good.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um I thought I thought everyone brought it when you know when they were hurting, I was hurting.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_03: When, you know, all like I thought they did really well.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um I saw a lot of good things from our main guy, which I should have pulled up in the first place.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_03: What's this dude's name?
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: Uh this dude's name is Tom Reese Harry's.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, of course.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_03: These Tom Reese Harry's.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I have no idea.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_03: What is he what has he done?
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, let's go ahead and look at his history.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: He's done uh The Gentleman.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he's done.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: Let me see.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: Trying to look for things that I would have maybe seen.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_03: He's got a lot of uh oh, he's Welsh.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_03: Fuck, I just oh man.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_00: Poor guy.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_00: Well oh he was on Midsummer, he was on Midsummer Murders, which is like a very well-known.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, he was in one episode.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's like a law and order type.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, he did a really great job, I agree.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he did a really good job.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_03: And so on this one, I'm gonna give acting shit.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna give acting here a four.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_03: Um, everyone did really well, but I didn't know if I saw like anyone deliver, you know, the lines of their life, but everyone was very competent, everyone was very good.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_03: They definitely got their feelings across, and you know, I was definitely feeling for the characters as it was happening.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, next for me with cinematography.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_03: I I also liked.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I thought uh there was a lot of really interesting scenes, especially they found a way to really uh make cool shots out of the body horror.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_03: They were able to make you sort of feel you know claustrophobic and stuck and sick, or however it was impacting him.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_03: So the camera was definitely telling the story about it.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_03: And I I really appreciated that.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, we talked so much about uh about using the camera to tell a story, showing, not telling.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, we make that we always make that a big point whenever we we watch one of these.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, I agree.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, and then I thought they did, yeah.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_03: I thought it was that was also really well done.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_03: And you can tell it's but what was really cool about it was it felt like it belonged in the Batman universe, the way things were shot, it was very reminiscent of what we saw in the Batman in this new iteration in the universe.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_03: It felt with with no reference of Batman, and just every once in a while you're reminded that you're in Gotham because the name of the city is somewhere.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but even without all that, it still felt like I was in the DC Gotham universe.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_03: So I thought that was really well done.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's interesting you say that.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people online disagreed.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_00: They were they have bad opinions.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but as we know, the discussion we're having right now is definitive and washes all of that nonsense.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_03: Agreed.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_03: Those troglodytes aren't trained to review film, so fuck them.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_03: You heard it here first.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_03: So uh cinematography, I'm gonna give a four.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_03: Um, score, I I don't really remember too much of.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_03: You know, there was no there's no Jurassic World Kitar, so that was nice.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_03: And I felt that I do remember at one point, I think in the second time they're in the club, there were two instances because there was one really good scene when Clayface is dancing for the guards and it's working really well at the music, and it's cheeky, and it was so filled with personality that I really enjoyed that part, and the score worked really well for there.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_03: But there was another song like early on in the club when I'm like, are these people really dancing?
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_03: To who the hell's making this music?
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, uh, but so for one really great song to one not so great song, and then not really remembering the rest of it, I'm gonna give the score a three.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah, I remember Golden Years early.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's maybe what you're thinking of.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_03: Oh no, I for no gold.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, if Golden Years was on, I'm down.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_03: Bowie too.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_03: It's a good song, but I don't know if it's an amazing song.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_03: It was in Knight's Tale.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: Of course.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't in the club that was in his car.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_03: Well, there you go.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, no, if there was Bowie in this, then I'd give it a five.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_03: Especially Dance Magic Dance.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_03: That was a weird scene.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm it would be great if he turned into the Goblin King during the scene.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_03: Just with this giant claymorphous bulge.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_03: He could fucking do it.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_03: He could.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_03: That's it.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_03: I'm the Goblin King now.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_03: Fuck all this.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_03: This is what I really wanted out of my life.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_03: So, and this was actually a prequel to uh Jim Henson's The Labyrinth.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_03: So that was interesting.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, uh without Bowie, uh give it a three.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_03: Plot, again, without Bowie, I'm gonna have to give um plot here was interesting.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_03: It was it was fresh, it was relevant.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_03: It we got to see a character that doesn't usually get the limelight.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_03: We we haven't which I appreciate.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_03: It occurred to me the other day that like Marl, for example, is out of their big fucking storylines, they've hit them all.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_03: Uh DC, we haven't fucking seen any of them because they can't stop jerking off.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_03: The only dude we've seen is Alex Luthor.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_03: Um you get two people, and that they have so many like New York Times best-selling storylines.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, where's calendar man?
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: Where the fuck is calendar?
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_03: But I mean, like, we could be doing Hush, we could be doing Red Hood, we could be doing Art Superman, like there's so much.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_03: So it was cool to finally see them say, hey guys, maybe we dust off a different character.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_03: What do you say?
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_03: So that was pretty cool, and they did it in a way that um you really felt for all them human, and you know, no one in this story was like making the right decisions ever.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_03: That's true.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_03: Even the cop, I would argue that uh, dude, if you can't show up for yourself, how can you show up for anyone else?
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_03: All right, you you walk in and see clear signs of unethical uh activity as well as uh emotional cheating.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_03: Like you're very respectful, that's really cool.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_03: But like, dude, at some point you gotta show up for yourself, and he never did, and he wound up dead.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_03: So that's that's what happens.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_03: But plot, I think, uh relied on that a lot.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_03: Um the pacing in some parts of it for me felt just a touch rushed.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm gonna give plot on this one.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna give plot here a 3.5.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: 3.5.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_03: And then uh rewatchability.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_03: I'm definitely gonna watch this one again.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_03: I'm excited for them to get more content out there, and I'd like to watch you know, all the the Batman universe as they kind of come out, and you know, I'm always I'm really excited for Man of Steel 2 and everything like that.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm definitely gonna be watching this one again, and I feel it was a really great addition to uh the DC collection.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_03: So rewatchability on this one, I'm gonna give a four.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: Not bad, not bad.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: Let's see, I'll do a quick calculation.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: It comes down to 3.7.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: Not exactly rounding up, uh, but uh you know, we'll have to see how I feel about it.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I specifically tried not to sway your opinions with my opinion.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: When you asked me, you asked me uh earlier this week, like, how'd you feel about it?
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Are you sure?
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you'd be surprised.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: Here, are you ready?
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: Are you ready for this?
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_00: Because as you had brought up, you know, Clayface is my guy.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: When we ever talked about who's your favorite superhero or villain or whatever, I'd always say clayface, which is a really weird answer that nobody really they're like, why?
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I think this movie is kind of why.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: And that was the uh what Boris Parloff character, or or I think that's his name, or something like that.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: But he played like um he played like a uh old timey actor who you know ended up uh he was like aging out of it, and he he he was like he wouldn't be expensive for roles anymore, and like his vanity took hold of him, and he you know he filled some experimental cream or whatever and put it on him, and it like if in the Batman animated series, they're like, nah, he bangs a mobster's wife, they slice up his fucking face.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_03: DBY seven.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: That'd be excellent.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I I felt like his story was so human, and even as a child, it like resonated with me.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like this this feeling of like not being able.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: To control you don't get to choose where your obsessions and like feelings lie, and you're like sometimes you're kind of like controlled by them, and it felt really powerful to me.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: And his abilities are just like they're so cool.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's like the ability to do anything.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, let's let me get into it.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uh that that's my that's a little bit of my history, is like my favorite.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_03: And I remember when you kept signing up for those experimental face procedures.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_03: That was a wild time.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: They kept not taking me because every time I'd go in, I'd be like, this is gonna make me into like a mud god, right?
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: And then they'd be like, We gotta get out of here, sir.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_03: This is just some cheek filler.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_03: No, mud god.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay, fine.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, uh so acting.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I thought that the acting in this, especially from uh from Mr.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: Reese Harry's from Tom Reese Harry's was really good.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: I thought he portrayed the you know the basking in the limelight and and the the pain of losing everything incredibly well.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: And he also he did a thing that I which was he like he was like, okay, I'm gonna like research things to like try to I want to solve this problem, and he like kept at it to try to solve the problem, and they didn't just let him wallow, you know, which is how a lot of movies handle that.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's like wallowing and then someone else comes to save them.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas, no, he was like really uh he tried, he did everything in his power to change it, and he succeeded.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: And it's very different to prick to have a praiseful like uh interpretation of a villain like that.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and I also thought Naomi Aki, who played uh Dr.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_00: Caitlin Korr, uh, she was also Mickey 17, if you remember.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: Uh she was Mickey 17, yeah.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, really great in that.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought she was excellent in this.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: I thought the scene where she was where Clayface had her face and she was like acting, you know, with like a beloved dream with Clayface, where where you know Reese's face was different, and then the Reese's arms came around his own body, but it was her face and stuff.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: She had to act that scene.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: And then she had to walk, and then we had to watch her watch that scene and like all of these things where she's like figuring stuff out.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I thought she was great in this movie.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the the romance that where she had to like push away and stuff.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: She was uh yeah, I thought she was she was great.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: So everyone else in it was good.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, and the we got a lot of people dying and a lot of people looking horrified at Clayface, and there was good horror acting.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: And also, last shout-out to Joanna Rivero, who played uh Mia Torres.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_00: She can get it.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_03: I'm glad there you go.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_03: I endrust.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_03: She can get it.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: She can get it.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: And she did a great job too.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: She did a great job as a woman with a mob boss who's like got a chip on her shoulder and is like, fuck you to his face, you know.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: She did a really good job with that.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I thought like it's an archetype, but she played it so well.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, I believed it.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_03: No, and then to just leave this dude to his fate, like yeah, well, well.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yep, yep.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_03: Because that wasn't her concern.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: Her concern was getting back at him.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but yeah, the acting was fantastic.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna give it a 4.5.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: I was really engrossed in this movie.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people were bored by it, and I was like, fuck you.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, fuck off.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh for cinematography.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_00: I thought the cinematography in this was excellent.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: We had so much talking with the camera, and I have a lot to say about that, and I wonder if I should save most of it for the golden path.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: But like a few things I just want to point out about talking with the camera is like the scenes where he's like unable to control the nanobots, where they're like part of his subconscious, like we learn about his subconscious reaction with the nanobots from the way it's shot.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: They don't go like, here's why your eyes covered with skin.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's it's we get a we get a thing, we get a reaction, it's blank, blank, you know, and the camera's leading us through that, through the plot.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: And we'll talk more about that later on the symbolism and what that means.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but I thought the cinematography was excellent.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: I loved the above shot of him like sinking in the bath after killing his friend and like turning to he's turning to Clay now.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, he's like, I've I've undone myself.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: And then he gets the knock on the door from the detective, and then he pulls his hand over his face and it goes back to him because he has to put on a mask.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: That's the point where he is no longer himself, and now the face of Matt Hagen is the mask, you know?
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: And that cinematography is just brilliant.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I loved the the very it something that they did that I wasn't expecting was the very quick transformations of Clayface.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: Normally, Clayface is I would think of Clayface like a mystique where it like rolls over her, you know, like the transformation.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, is they're instant, which is really cool.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's not something I was expecting.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's almost like the way Evil Dead handles the dead, so it's instant.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_00: A move and they're they're there, you know.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I loved it all.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna give it a 425 on the uh cinematography.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just so glad that you got you know, fucking your movie for your guy, you know?
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I got my movie for my guy, and it wasn't it wasn't at all when I think clayface movie, I think Clayface goes around using his body for fun and games, you know.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: And this wasn't that, but my favorite genre is descent into madness, which this is like this is a descent into madness.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's a fall from grace slash descent into madness.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_03: No, he was very clearly mad at the end.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, crazy and lost his fucking mind.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: Love it.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: Uh for the score, yeah.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: There were a few songs where I was like, eh, like they didn't really resonate with me, but there were a few, like if you leave me now, right at the end, that that like kind of resonated with me.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: I like that.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: It was used in the middle and at the end.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: And uh yeah, yeah, I thought a few of them resonated with me, and I thought they definitely used the soundtrack to good effect in some areas for suspense uh and and to let you know that he was going mad.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna give it a 3.5.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_00: I remember the good parts for sure.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_00: Uh plot I think that this plot is an I think this plot is not what people were looking for or expected from this movie.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: I think a lot of people were expected like a horror movie or an action movie or something like that, and it's not that.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's a it's a human story, a drama following a dramatic actor.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you follow your dramatic actor or following him, and he's getting like it's him getting body horror tortured and stuff like that and descending into madness.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: But it's not like a pure horror, it's not a pure action.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: We get little clips of all of them.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's mostly a drama, it's mostly a human story.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: And as a human story, I think it excels.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_00: I think that it is almost like a Greek myth.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I've been racking my brain about like which myth, and I kind of have to, it's kind of like narcissists, I think, is my grasp on it.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_00: We'll talk about it in the next one.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: But like his it's a man who falls to his worst impulses, and we really follow the trail through that about why that happens, how that happens, and that's the plot of the story is how that happens.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_00: Is revenge a life living your best?
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_00: Is the best revenge living your your best life?
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: Is that that's the question?
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I think the movie answers it really well.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_00: I think it does it stylishly, it kept me interested the whole time.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't an amazing plot was really good.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think it's like an Oscar plot, but I'm gonna give it a four.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, and because this is out there, when we finally see Clayface come up against fucking Batman, because we had this film, it's going to be so impactful.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I I'm looking forward to it.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_03: I'm looking forward to it.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: Clayface's origin story, like Clayface's motivations and stuff, are so Batman.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's so funny.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_00: Clayface is Batman gone too far, is what it is.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's interesting.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I can't, yeah.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'm really excited to watch this movie again.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: I was thinking about going to see this movie again before it leaves theaters uh because I really enjoyed it.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not what's interesting is I'm not as eager to go see it as I was Resident Evil.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: I thought Resident Evil had a little bit better pacing, and that's why I only gave the plot a four.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, though the pacing on Resident Evil was just better.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but I am very interested in seeing this again, and I'm gonna I'm gonna give it a 4.5 because as soon as it's out, you know, I'm gonna watch it again.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_00: I may even go back to the theater.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: So 4.5.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_03: That's a very strong.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: So uh calculation 3.95.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_00: We round that up to a four.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_03: Solid.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_03: A very solid score.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry, fucking toxic nerds.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_03: You were wrong.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_00: People really, really were pissed off at this movie.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen so many people just so mad.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they're just wrong.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_03: They are just wrong.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and there's nothing you can do about it anymore.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_03: High and dry has spoken.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a four.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_03: So, congratulations, Clayface, to a four out of five.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_03: Well deserved.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_03: Everyone in it, well done.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_03: And one final little side toast, because it slipped my mind in the beginning.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_03: Speaking of good reviews, High and Dry podcast getting its good review in Elevate Society, where they were very, yes, they were very, they were very kind to us.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_03: Very kind to us.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_03: Like your important work was tossed around.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they told us they were doing important work.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_00: It was cool.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, here is to us and Clinton.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_03: Cheers with your four out of five.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: We're basically the same people.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_03: Without a doubt.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_03: Without a doubt.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: One of us.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: One of us.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_03: Um it reminds me of that um that little meme bit where uh he said, I feel sorry for uh the people whose hues uh cause them to be struck down by the gods.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_03: Not like me, though, who may even be better than the gods.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: It really is that.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's that it feels that way.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it does.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's hard.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's hard.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, suffering from I can't help that everybody loves me and I'm so great.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm never gonna die.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's exhausting.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the higher you rise, the farther you fall.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: Ask any coconut.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_03: So it is time now for the golden path.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_03: So what are the deeper meanings behind this?
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, obviously, there's the surface stuff.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_03: We had a lot of narcissism, we had a lot of hubris.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_03: We um there was our our good doctor, um, knew nothing, like never took an ethics class while becoming a researcher.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_03: So that that's she was a mad scientist.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_00: She was a mad scientist, she was cutting into herself and she was self-testing, which was like how a science was done 200 years ago or whatever.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_03: No, and I think they did it in such a way they didn't like they didn't like, hey, right here, eyes right here, jingle keys, she is a mad scientist.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_03: But if you piece it together and you watch with any level of criticality, it's like, what the fuck?
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_03: Why is this woman doing this?
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_03: It's true.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_03: The same reasons why Clayface was there in the first place.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_03: So it worked really well.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_03: That part I felt worked really well.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's a mad scientist in their creation, is kind of what happened here.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's like Frankenstein a little bit.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_03: If Frankenstein was super sexy.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the Guirel del Toro Frankenstein.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh, you remember that one.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: He could get it.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: But uh, I think I think the biggest philosophical question here that may seem obvious, but I think that a lot of people don't talk about is one that was in one of our very earliest episodes, identity.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: We talked about identity, and I think it was when we talked about Ship of Theseus, where it's like if you take little bits away of a thing and replace them until the entire thing is gone, what is its identity?
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: And it's more like identity is a shifting thing.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: And this movie asks, you know, what is the self?
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: What is identity?
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_00: Who is the real Matt Hagen?
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: Was the question that was asked very early on, kind of flippantly.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: And then that becomes the theme of the movie is uh, you know, what happens when your sense of identity is broken?
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_03: No, it hurts.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: What happens when you lose everything that you use to define yourself.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_03: And that's a common thing that happens to people who always are searching for identity on the outside.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: Right, external source.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_03: You know, especially folks at home.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_03: If you're uh if you can't sit in a room with yourself, you need to figure that out.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_03: You need to figure that out.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_03: Uh that's that's the that's a fast track to widen up on a mad scientist slab.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_00: Are you the mad scientist or are you the monster?
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_03: You know, we all have to make that choice.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_03: That's what I took from this.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_03: Do I want to be the mad scientist?
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: I guess is there a question, is a is identity a good thing?
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_00: Is it, you know, I that's almost the question.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: If I take this question to the farthest, is identity a good thing?
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: Is it unavoidable that we in our minds like craft identity about ourselves?
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_00: What makes a good identity?
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: I personally think like having a really flexible identity, like being like, I am not, I am not one thing, I'm a person, and like I I am complex, and therefore I don't have to assign region structures to myself.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: But I also struggle with things like where do I sit in this world?
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes I'm kind of lonely.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and for people who for people who have like strong senses of identity, they find this a comfort to them.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes I lack comfort at the great meaninglessness of the universe.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: So is it a good thing?
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: Is it a bad thing?
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_03: It's and I I think there's you know, like in like all things, there's a spectrum to it.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_03: So for me, like especially um as I'm getting older, I find that I'm on the side of being a person who's very aware of who they are, who's very comfortable and is very self-assured.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_03: So walk into different scenarios, I always like, I know who I am, I know what I'm doing here.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but I've found to the rest of the world that could be very abrasive.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's not a uh it's not always welcomed when someone comes in with that level of self-assuredness, and uh at its peak, people can read it as aggressive, or they could read it as um arrogant.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_03: Arrogant.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like, nah, I I I swear that's not what I mean.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_03: Uh when I was young, without a doubt, I was sure.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_03: That's true.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_03: Well, one of the most arrogant people on earth.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_03: I had growing to do.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_03: I had growing to do.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_03: I had to get to a point where I could sit alone with myself, you know, and I just decided that I was the mad scientist.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_03: Not the one on the slab.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: My job was to twist other people, not to get me twisted.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_03: And and liked in this movie.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_03: I I use my undeniable attractiveness and sexuality to uh uh to further my goals.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_03: It's just, you know, it's just what you do.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well, well, on that, I you know, that sense of identity and stuff is like how I think that a lot of people who feel self-assured about themselves, you know, and they tie that to their identity, it eventually comes the time and not everybody faces this, but when people face it, when they do something or something happens to them that that defies that sense of identity and that assuredness, if behind that is too fragile, right?
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_00: If they like put have put so much on it that it's fragile, they have they break their sense of identity and their sense of self are broken.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what happens in this movie.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I want to run through some of the things.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, go ahead.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'll and then I'll run through some of the stuff.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_03: So because like I definitely there is feigned self-assuredness, and I've encountered that.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_03: And then there is a self-assuredness that was built off of years of learning yourself, of understanding yourself, of forgiving yourself, of you know, fucking therapy to build that foundation.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_03: And there are definitely the two.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_03: So when you so when if you when you do face the moment, like you're saying, if if there's chanks in the foundation that you've been building, it there's gonna be some crumbling that occurs, without a doubt.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: People who are self-assured understand failure and that they have to deal with failure.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_00: But people who are projecting or it's not really truly there, or they've put too much weight on their success on one thing, yeah, they crumble in the face of failure.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I want to run through the movie because that's what this movie is really about.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_00: I want to talk about how about how Matt Hagen's nanobots react to his identity.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: So they react to his own thoughts, conscious and subconscious, throughout the movie.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_00: So we can use what they do as views directly into his psyche.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_00: The first time his face starts failing, he's at the uh red carpet event for a movie that they replaced him in.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and he's talking to, he's like really confident at the beginning because he walks in and everyone's taking his picture and loving him and stuff.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_00: And he gets the fucking dunk on the guy who replaced him.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_00: And his face is fine.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_00: His face is doing great.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then he starts talking to his manager about how she only cared about his face.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_00: And she then puts it back on him and says, That's what the industry is about.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's all about your face.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_00: That's your value in this industry.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not, that's not me.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't do that.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's just the industry.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'm the connection to the industry.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_00: And as she says that, that's when his face starts to fail.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_00: Because he's like, Okay, this is all I am subconsciously.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like the the nanobots are acting as a defense mechanism.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: He's insecure, and so and so the nanobots are like, well, maybe this isn't a healthy place for us.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like, let's this face isn't good.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's putting us in danger where we're going to get hurt again and traumatized again.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so he backs away.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_00: And this is what happens when people who have a big failure that they've put their identity into.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_00: This is what happens when they try to get back into that thing they failed at.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_00: Is there's that fear of re-traumatization.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: And the nanobots feed that.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_00: And so he backs off.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_00: He never goes back to acting for the rest of the movie, he never pursues it again, even though that was ostensibly what he went to go get the surgery for, was so they could get back, get his life back.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: And after that traumatic experience, and he shies away because the nanobots that's like what the whole reason the rest of the movie happens.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_00: Happens.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_03: And so I can't wait for Batman to beat this emotionally insecure man into the fucking dirt.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_03: Well, he went too far.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: So howdy, how you respond to fear determines your growth, like what direction you'll grow in.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_00: And Matt, you know, like I said, never tries to go back to acting.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_00: He retreats from what scares him and externalizes his attempt to end his fear.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_00: When he's on the plane, in a few scenes after that, when he sees the on the TV on the plane, like the people who hurt him and betrayed him, his eyes start to grow over to protect him from the from what he's seeing.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's like this is hurting you.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to protect you by covering your eyes, even though it's not a healthy response, it's a subconscious response to move to not feel bad.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_00: And that's a problem.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_00: His subconscious is responding on the first impulse.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_00: His face is and is controlling his physical appearance.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_00: As someone with a mood disorder who's had a lot of trouble controlling moving past the first thought and that first response, it sounds like a fucking nightmare to have your body respond to your first impulse.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_00: Fuck.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_00: And that really resonated with me.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_00: And then he couldn't move on.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_00: He couldn't switch it back.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_00: He had to go clip it with scissors.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_00: That seemed so that seemed so fucking.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, his eyes don't close when he sees his torturer.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_00: Totally a normal response.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_00: He instinctively disguises himself as his accountant after he kills him.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_00: He continues to attack the past instead of living for the future.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_00: And his nanobots encourage that every step of the way.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_00: They help him because he succeeds in relitigating his past and going back and being like, fuck you, look at me now, which is such an unhealthy thing to do.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_00: But because he's succeeding, his nanobots are like, This is what we can, this is where we feel good and safe.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_00: And and they push him into darkness, this impulse.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_00: And he's been driven in the wrong direction.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_00: He can never move forward because he never overcame the fear of moving on.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_00: And he can't handle losing another identity.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's like a protective shell to only pursue this identity where he has ensured success.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_03: Well, and so like I like that.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_03: I did enjoy the addition of artificial intelligence to it.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, that's kind of a bust for the future, you know.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and I would have loved to have seen like after it's all said and done when they hit a button with the AI inside the nanobots.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_03: And the nanobots are like, hey, I'm sorry about that.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_03: It's a good thing you called me out.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_03: We probably shouldn't have we shouldn't have killed those three people.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_03: I'll do better in the future.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_00: But it was really funny.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what you're saying is totally right that AI tells users what they want to hear.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, they're little sycophants, and that's what his nanobots are when he was, I'm afraid of this.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_00: Well, don't do that.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's okay, you don't have to do that.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_00: This makes me feel good.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_00: Well, do that.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's good to feel good, you know.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, and by the end of it, uh, he literally creates a simulacrum of his unrequited love to tell him how he is actually good and right and doesn't need to change.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_00: And it's really similar, it reminded me of Backrooms in that, where he where he's like talking to, or at the end when he's talking to his therapist, and then and then the big rage version of him picks him up and fucking kills him when he's like, we don't have to change, and then the rage one's like, Oh, got it.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_00: I guess they just need that.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_03: All right, sound good.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, you were right to call me out on that.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_03: These therapy, your doctor is married right now.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_00: We probably shouldn't pursue this, but I want to, you know, if you really want to, you gotta go after your goals, and good for you for understanding what you want.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_03: And that's what was happening there.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_03: He was getting fucking chat GPT'd.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's fucking crazy that Clayface, who is like a god, like Clayface is like a god of deception and power, and he's like spawn almost.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_00: He's like he's he's literally a god on earth, and he's only held back by his pain and his regret and his inability to control his own impulses.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the only reason.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_00: And that's playing Batman so far.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_00: No Batman.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's just that.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_00: And he's just like, Well, I'm in the sewers now, instead of being a god on earth, I guess.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_00: Because he just can't move past it.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's truly like a mythology, it's like a myth.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's like Orpheus or or fucking Oedipus or narcissists, who they literally they're just so stuck in their in their own bubble, in their own ego, in their own pain, and just fail for no good reason except themselves.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_03: No, without a doubt.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_03: Honestly, I think that's what made this a really it earned it's four out of five for sure.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love this movie.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_00: I thought this movie was so good.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm happy for that because I know like I know he's your guy, so I'm like, ah, don't fuck this up for James.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_03: Don't fuck this up for James.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_03: So I was really happy to see it.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_03: And with that being said, it's time for the third part of this.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_03: It's time to insert ourselves into Clayface.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_03: How does the movie change with the addition of you?
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_00: With the addition of me.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_00: Man, so I started out.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_00: So I would be Matt Hagen.
• 51:38
  unknown: Okay.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_00: I would for sure be Matt Hagen.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_03: That's the first time.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_03: That's like one of the first times where you have stepped into that role.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_03: Of the central point of view.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm excited.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_03: I'm excited.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_00: I would I would uh not have had sex with that gangster's uh girlfriend, and then another movie wouldn't happen.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_00: Which is fucking bullshit.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, you're right.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_00: I would have definitely discussed the gangers.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_00: She can get it.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she can get it.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I definitely went through a horror phase uh around that time in my life.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_00: And uh yeah, I would have gone for it and it would have got my face cut up, and I would have gotten a therapist.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I hopefully would have gotten a therapist right after like the injection thing, and so I'd have the clay face stuff, but also a therapist.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_03: And uh maybe don't do that.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_03: Um hey, I'm reporting that, doctor, just so you're aware.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, go for it.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever, I got my thing.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_03: And I hope she burns in a hell.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_00: I would do like a new show every night.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_00: It would be me playing a bunch of different roles, and eventually I would get canceled for doing blackface uh because listen, I'm trying to tell human stories, okay?
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_00: And acting like black people don't exist is wrong, but uh people just cannot get past it, and yeah, I get canceled, but it doesn't hold me down for long because I can look like anybody.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_03: I wouldn't watch it because I've I have strict rules on AI generated content.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, so I wouldn't be into it.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah, it's all AI, dude.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_00: And then you're like calling me out right there.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_03: Guess you even start talking like one.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, you're right for calling me out, and maybe blackface was a little too far, but but at least I know I tried something, and I think in the end that's what's really important.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't unnaturally change the color of my skin.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's part of me.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_03: So the rest of your time, eventually clayface gets wrapped up in right-wing podcasting.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, oh, I'd do so well there.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I would do so well.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'd start doing I'd start doing false flag crisis acting for like Muslim people invading New York City or something, be like 30 Muslim people or whatever.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh crisis, the the right wing would love it.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'd get so paid.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_03: And that's when I'd be like, hey Batman, could you fucking take him the fuck out, please?
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_03: This might be the worst clayface that's ever existed.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_00: He immediately red swaddled himself.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what the fuck?
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_00: Listen, I just don't remember.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_00: Success takes me.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_00: The success takes me to the natural place drifters go in the United States.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_03: You're on Joe Rogan, where where if you say something left, he has to look it up.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_03: But if you give him some crazy fucking right-wing conspiracy from Clayface's mouth, he's like, that makes a lot of sense.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_03: That makes a lot of sense.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_00: So that's what's it like being a big clay monster?
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_00: How big is your dick?
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_03: This is the kind of eyebrow stuff I come here for.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_03: Uh it is huge.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_03: So, okay, all right.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_03: Well, it's funny.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_03: After we saw this, um, me and Callie were just we were just fucking wasted.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_03: Um, first thing we started doing was asking AI.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_03: Um, like, I think we wound up going down like what villains we'd be in the DC universe and what fucking ring we'd have from the Green Lantern universe.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_03: But we were already kind of doing this yesterday.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_03: And purple for me.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_03: You'd be purple.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_03: Like the like indigo?
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_03: Like the indigo guys?
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the empathy guys.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I could see that.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_03: I can see that that's what Cali was gonna wind up being.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I I got green in the end.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'd be Jizz colored.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_00: Which is the Jizz ring.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_03: The Jiz Ring.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_00: The pink is the thing for Kindle the whole time.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_03: Just Jizz.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_03: Um yeah, for me, I don't know where exactly I would fit into this particular film.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_03: Because uh, like I I I don't feel I would be mad because like I I'd get help.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_03: I I you know and I would find a way through this.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_03: My my entire personality wouldn't become trying to fix it.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_03: It would be learning how to move forward.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_03: And so that right there, it kind of disqualifies me.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_03: I wouldn't be the doctor because there's no fucking way I am putting that level of effort into getting a doctorate.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's that's true.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I like Matt didn't Matt was just good at talking.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_00: He was good at doing the talk and talk, and then he succeeded, and he didn't have to like sit down and do paperwork.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_03: And I I mean, I I like I I I don't know.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_03: I maybe I'd red hood myself into this universe somewhere, you know, get myself in on some of this anti-hero action.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_00: Would you be the mob boss?
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, I wouldn't do that either.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_03: I I don't want to do that.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I I especially I don't want some mob wife who's constantly banging movie stars and things like that.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_03: I want nothing to do with that.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_00: What about you being the mob wife?
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's a pretty good life.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's a pretty good life.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_03: I I could see me fitting into that role and I uh I spent all my time partying.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_03: Um get dudes' faces cut.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so um honestly, you because the movie isn't about other DC villains, you'd probably just kind of see me in a side shot in that newspaper.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_03: Or on the newspaper, like a new anarchistic Batman villain who's got a lot of good points, um, and is you know making the rounds online, is starting to show her up around there.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_03: But no, yeah, I think you're right.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_03: I I think at the end of the day, of all the roles in that, I would just be the mob wife, trying to live life, trying to enjoy myself taking pills, fucking fucking hot dudes.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_03: I'm taking pills, fucking dudes.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's um it's a pretty sweet way to go.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know, I wouldn't kill you.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_00: If we were in the same movie, I wouldn't kill you.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_00: We'd be okay.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_00: We might fuck tomorrow.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_00: You can fuck, you can you can fuck whoever you want.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_00: I could be anybody.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_03: So that's just a mind-blowing option.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_03: Like uh, like it reminds me of Mystique when she's coming on to Wolverine.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I also love the images of Mystique, um, where all the beautiful women she could be, and then there's like the side image of Henry Cavill.
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_03: You know, the options are limitless.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, no, I wouldn't do any descending into Madness or anything like that.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_03: Um good.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_03: I'm good.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_03: Just live him a life, do him a little dance, have him a little drugs.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_03: Um, it'd be good.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_03: It'd be good.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_03: The movie doesn't change a whole lot.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_03: Everyone else still goes up and does their thing.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_03: Keep doing a little dance and do them a little drugs, and that'd be it.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe, maybe in my version, I could be like I could work at like a Nevada brothel and be like be like, because anybody I could be anybody for anybody, and in reality, I could split my attention and I could just be on the computer playing games while Dr.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_03: Manhattan decided just to open a series of brothels.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_03: Anyone want to bang this blue, dude?
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_00: I can be totally just true.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_00: I can be like reading a book while the other part of me goes and fucks that person.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_03: While they're pounding your close thing.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, all right, cool, nope.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, whatever.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even feel it.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_00: The AI play.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_00: The AI is handling that.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm over here.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, a lot of people come that fast.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's okay.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_03: You know, honestly, it just means you're excited.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_03: And isn't that what we're all trying to be?
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_00: You're leaping from the other room, pussy.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_03: And there you have it, folks.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_03: So that's how that movie would fucking change.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the best little clayface whorehouse in Texas.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_00: So is the best revenge to live your life well?
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_00: I think yes.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_03: You have that on the sign on the front door.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_03: The best revenge is to live your life well.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_03: Playface whorehouse.
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  SPEAKER_03: Larry Epic folks.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm your host, Ryan Barron North with me as always, James Crosslin.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, uh, and uh, you know, again, thanks for our uh special little review there from the uh Elevate Society.
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  SPEAKER_03: It was uh it was cool to see.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm not saying that uh, you know, it's you know better than the gods, but uh maybe we are that great.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_03: Better than the gods, even.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just a little.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe just a little.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bye.
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  SPEAKER_00: I hope my hubris doesn't kill me.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_03: Never.