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Wildman Attacks & the National Obsession with Wildmen · The Cryptid Huntress

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  Speaker 1: Well, good afternoon everybody. It's the cryptin Huntress. I'm Jessica Jones.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for being here today. Gosh,
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  Speaker 1: we have a really really thank're sing a cool topic.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to be talking about wild men. And let's
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  Speaker 1: not forget those wild women that live back then and
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  Speaker 1: today and all over the place. There's all sorts of
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  Speaker 1: wild women, Harry running around, I'm sure, but we're going
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  Speaker 1: to be talking about wild men today and the obsession
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  Speaker 1: that people back in the eighteen hundreds had of wild men. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: and this is fascinating, y'all, This is fascinating. I cannot
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  Speaker 1: believe I have not talked about this before in depth
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  Speaker 1: on the show. So you guys buckle up. We've got
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  Speaker 1: some rabbit holes to go down today. You're going to
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  Speaker 1: be surprised where this takes us. Okay, And of course
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  Speaker 1: I do have doctor Dennis Carroll here in the studio
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  Speaker 1: We've done some pretty good research on this one today.
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  Speaker 1: on the road. Dating back from the early eighteen hundreds
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  Speaker 1: through the early nineteen hundreds, throughout the United States and
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  Speaker 1: all over North America, newspapers in almost every single city
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  Speaker 1: ran articles about wild men. These are strange, feral, human
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  Speaker 1: like creatures that seemed to be covered in fur or hair.
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  Speaker 1: They were nearly always naked or nude. I say naked
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  Speaker 1: or nearly nude. They had hair on them and maybe leaves,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, like Adam and Eve kind of stuff,
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  Speaker 1: but they were usually nude. They had a bad temper,
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  Speaker 1: and you didn't want to get near them. Okay, they
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  Speaker 1: weren't pleasant. They weren't pleasant. Now, the wild men actually
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  Speaker 1: fall into about three categories. Okay, they have been categorized.
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  Speaker 1: And I knew that there was, you know, like the
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  Speaker 1: Neanderthal type, there could be feral humans. So we talked
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  Speaker 1: about this with Nick Silvester a couple of weeks ago,
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  Speaker 1: because I was asking if the feral humans that had
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  Speaker 1: been seen in the experience in the Smoky Mountains could
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  Speaker 1: actually be Neanderthals or some kind of a wildman, and
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  Speaker 1: he was like, Oh, he just really can't categorize them
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  Speaker 1: because there's so many different types of humans, humanoids, primitive
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  Speaker 1: man still, you know, living all in the Appalachian Mountains
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  Speaker 1: and all over. So let's go over before I bringing
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  Speaker 1: us up. There are three types. I want to go
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  Speaker 1: over them with you guys today. There's large, hairy, bipedal
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  Speaker 1: humanoids that we would probably classify as a bigfoot, like
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  Speaker 1: a type for Sasquatch. If you'll remember, I was given
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  Speaker 1: that remote viewing target of Paul Bunyan, the man that
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  Speaker 1: Paul Bunyon is based off of. I do believe that
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  Speaker 1: was a type for Sasquatch. A big, a big dude
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  Speaker 1: looks like a human.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So then the second type are feral humans.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: They can use tools, they're usually violent if caught. They
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  Speaker 1: speak like a gibberish, they don't speak English usually, and
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  Speaker 1: they're usually deemed to be completely insane by our human
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  Speaker 1: standards okay, like societal spit it out societal standards. They're
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  Speaker 1: deemed and sane. Now that's going to be important for
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  Speaker 1: what we discussed later today. Now, in the third categorized
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  Speaker 1: or category are lost hominids, which are neither a man
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  Speaker 1: nor a beast. They're kind of more like a caveman. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: kind of like a caveman, but they're not quite as
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  Speaker 1: elusive as a bigfoot. They have some human like characteristics,
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  Speaker 1: like they use clubs, tools, and fire. Okay, so kind
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  Speaker 1: of cave managed there, that's what I envision here. So
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  Speaker 1: we're going to really dive into these. Also, I saw
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  Speaker 1: Aaron in the chat. Aaron Kane is in the chat today.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you Erin for sending me the information on the
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  Speaker 1: Georgia wild Man. We're going to be discussing that today.
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  Speaker 1: I meant to send you an email before the show,
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  Speaker 1: and I forgot, but I see you in here, so
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  Speaker 1: thank goodness, so erin, thank you so much. I'll give
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  Speaker 1: you credit when we get to that story today. So
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  Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the historical reports today. There
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  Speaker 1: is potentially one of the strangest wild man stories ever
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  Speaker 1: told that we're going to discuss. That's what Aaron sent
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  Speaker 1: to me. Here she is, I see, Okay, Aaron's in here.
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  Speaker 1: It's about it an encounter with an eight foot tall
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  Speaker 1: wild man in North Georgia. He is in Fannin County.
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  Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, I've in the Blue Ridge Mountains.
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  Speaker 1: And this wild man was said and known to kidnap
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  Speaker 1: women and children. And it was seen with a dwarf
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  Speaker 1: in a bull. Okay, so an unlikely trio. An unlikely trio.
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  Speaker 1: Now I do have doctor Dennis Carrol here in the
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  Speaker 1: chat with me today, or not a chat. He's probably
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  Speaker 1: in the chat too.
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  Speaker 2: Who knows.
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  Speaker 1: He's in the studio with me today. And he has
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  Speaker 1: over forty years experience in the field of the paranormal.
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  Speaker 1: He studied research and investigated many aspects pertaining to the
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  Speaker 1: paranormal and the supernatural with his own experiences. And he's
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  Speaker 1: a researcher investigator of the occult and the supernatural. You
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  Speaker 1: can find him on his YouTube channel Hunting the Shadows.
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  Speaker 1: He does have a show tonight, so y'all be sure
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  Speaker 1: to check him out at nine pm Eastern. Please help me.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the show our good friend doctor Dennis Carol.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Dennis, you know, the wild man is very interesting
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  Speaker 2: to me because in between haircuts, I sometimes get mistaken
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  Speaker 2: for him. But it is a very interesting subject and
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  Speaker 2: it goes far back deep into folklore, and that's, you know,
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  Speaker 2: one of my specialties. Spoke his folklore definitely is very interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I've been called a wild woman before. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so I just you know, I try to shave and stuff,
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  Speaker 1: so y'all don't see my true nature of being as
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  Speaker 1: hairy as I could be. I guess, so, I know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm kidding, kidding, but yeah, this is this is a
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  Speaker 1: fascinating topic. I've talked about wild men before, Okay, Well,
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  Speaker 1: they come up. They've come up throughout the years that
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  Speaker 1: we've been here on a and doing shows, but I
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  Speaker 1: have never really dived into the different categories of them.
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  Speaker 1: I've been given remote viewing targets of suspected bigfoots and
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  Speaker 1: I do believe there have turned out to be wild men,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And I think there's kind of a blurred
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  Speaker 1: line a little bit between some of these wild men
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  Speaker 1: and some of the giants and maybe even what maybe
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  Speaker 1: even some of the giant skeletons that have been found
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  Speaker 1: all over the United States.
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  Speaker 2: That's a that's a fascinating thing about it, Jessica. There
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  Speaker 2: is sort of a magical, a magic tie into these things.
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  Speaker 2: But if you go back into the Teutonic times in
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  Speaker 2: Germany and the Saxons and all that, you'll see you'll
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  Speaker 2: see him depict it on their shields and their coats
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  Speaker 2: of arms.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's a good representation out there. The wild Man's
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  Speaker 2: thought to be sort of also a spirit of nature
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  Speaker 2: in that respect. He's very much ties into the green
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  Speaker 2: Man and the the the personage of the green Man
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  Speaker 2: that you see around Christmas time. He's got the beard
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  Speaker 2: and the holly wreath on his head and all that.
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  Speaker 2: All of this ties into the wild man, and some
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  Speaker 2: of it is connected to Odin, the chief god of
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  Speaker 2: the Norse. He was kind of like the wild man.
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  Speaker 2: He was sort of like the long hair and he
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  Speaker 2: dressed in furs and he had a long beard and
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  Speaker 2: all that that's the way he would be seen among
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  Speaker 2: humans sometimes. So a lot of this has a lot
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  Speaker 2: of very old tie into folklore, and I think, and
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  Speaker 2: this is my own opinion, that this may be a
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  Speaker 2: I call it an echo of history to the fact
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  Speaker 2: that the humans once encountered neantrathals and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 2: and that has that has continued in our memory. I
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  Speaker 2: saw a racial memory that we have and that's why
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  Speaker 2: it's so deep in our folklore and so many stories
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  Speaker 2: are told about it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I know, back in the eighteen hundreds there were
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  Speaker 1: a ton of newspaper articles that described wild men that
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  Speaker 1: were found that were attacking, especially women and children. They
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  Speaker 1: seem to have a fascination with kidnapping women and children,
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  Speaker 1: and so that was in the newspapers quite a bit,
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  Speaker 1: and so people did not take kindly to these wild
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  Speaker 1: men because they were a threat. They seemed to be
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  Speaker 1: kind of like savage, I guess you could call it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were very uncivilized. They were sort of anti
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  Speaker 2: civil or anti social to that extent, and they thought
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  Speaker 2: that someone liked that. And there have been many cases
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  Speaker 2: back in time and history of people who were raised
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  Speaker 2: in the wild by animals like wolves. You know, you
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  Speaker 2: remember Romulus and Remus and all this other stuff that
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  Speaker 2: went on, and that's where they get the ifdeal for
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  Speaker 2: tars and that these wild people were feral people. Sometimes
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  Speaker 2: they would try to bring them back and assimilate them
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  Speaker 2: back into civilization and it wouldn't work, you know, it
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  Speaker 2: didn't work. I think there was one in Russia. I
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  Speaker 2: can't remember what her name was. She was a Russian
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  Speaker 2: lady and they found her in the wild and they've
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  Speaker 2: tried to civilize her and maringer back into society, and
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  Speaker 2: it went very badly wrong, and she ended up going
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  Speaker 2: back to the wild. That was where she was happiest.
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  Speaker 2: That that was where she was. She was used to.
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  Speaker 2: You take somebody or something like that out of where
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  Speaker 2: their atmosphere that they raised in the very precepts and everything,
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  Speaker 2: and you put them in a whole different new world,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna have a bad reaction. And I think they
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  Speaker 2: very badly and went wrong with the fact that they
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  Speaker 2: thought they could put some of these people in asylums
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  Speaker 2: and that would straighten them out, well, that would civilize
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  Speaker 2: them or whatever the situation. And they were going about
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  Speaker 2: it all in all the wrong ways, definitely.
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  Speaker 1: But that's so interesting that you said that, because I
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  Speaker 1: am going to be bringing up some accounts of some
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  Speaker 1: of these wild men who were caught and put into
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  Speaker 1: mental asylums, insane asylums, and you know, and I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: make this connection today because I think it's really interesting
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  Speaker 1: because we were just I've talked about the mud flood
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  Speaker 1: you know, I had doctor John Stamey on. We talked
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  Speaker 1: about the mud floods and all these asylums and the
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  Speaker 1: human the potential human resets, and how a lot of people,
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  Speaker 1: I mean like a gigantic, huge amount of people were
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  Speaker 1: put into these asylums that seemed to be repurposed castles. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so this is all kind of melding together. But they
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  Speaker 1: were also not only putting potentially political dissidents and people
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  Speaker 1: who weren't going along with the program into these asylums
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  Speaker 1: and potentially given them lobotomies. And you know, there are
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  Speaker 1: probably really some insane people in there too.
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  Speaker 2: The wild men, too, kind of goes with the fact,
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  Speaker 2: Yesica at all through time and that's just not a
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  Speaker 2: thing in our modern time. It goes back in history science,
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  Speaker 2: certain elements of science. They've tried to cover things up
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  Speaker 2: or tried to change things to the way they want
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  Speaker 2: it to be. It is part of their control over society,
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  Speaker 2: and that's what it's all about. And like you said,
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  Speaker 2: with what doctor Stampy said about, you know, the mud
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  Speaker 2: floods and all these other things, they tried to cover
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  Speaker 2: this stuff up or try to bury it, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in that way because it doesn't fit what they want
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  Speaker 2: to establish us control over us in many ways. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that even goes to not just events that
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  Speaker 2: have happened or even for civilization, but for individuals as well.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't back in those days especially, and so
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  Speaker 2: we're a little more leanient today than we once weren't.
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  Speaker 2: But back in those days, if you didn't fit in
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  Speaker 2: the mood, if you didn't fit into a certain thing
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  Speaker 2: criteria they thought you should be in, they would do
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  Speaker 2: anything rightly to change that. And then then to change
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  Speaker 2: that's the way it went.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they would. And uh And okay, let's let's
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  Speaker 1: talk a little bit about how popular these things were, okay,
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  Speaker 1: because I can find a lot of newspaper articles on
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  Speaker 1: wild men in the news, Okay, a lot, and people were,
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  Speaker 1: like I mentioned earlier, they're really obsessed, kind of obsessed
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  Speaker 1: with with wild men, and people wonder why, like what
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  Speaker 1: was going on. Were there's just a ton of wild men? Uh,
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  Speaker 1: well they were. It seems like there were a lot
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  Speaker 1: of wild men, Okay, but people were finding they love
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  Speaker 1: to go to like their main one of their highest forms.
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  Speaker 1: Let me spit all this out. Having hard time putting
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  Speaker 1: getting my words out today.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: They love going to the circus, okay, like traveling circus,
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  Speaker 1: right and uh and this actually connects to some of
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  Speaker 1: the other topics we've discussed on the channel. But they
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  Speaker 1: love to go to the circus. And whenever the fair
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  Speaker 1: would come into town, the circus would come into town,
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  Speaker 1: like Varnum and Bailey's or PT. Varnum's Circus, they would
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  Speaker 1: have something that they called like a side show, and
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  Speaker 1: so they had people that were in these side shows
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  Speaker 1: or humanoids or just strange people with strange characteristics. They
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  Speaker 1: used to have what was like the fat lady stuff
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  Speaker 1: what they call today's just like normal human you know,
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  Speaker 1: but back then they had the bearded lady. They had
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  Speaker 1: people that could stick knives down their throats and swords.
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  Speaker 1: But they also had the hairy mint, the beastly men
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  Speaker 1: and women at some of these events, and so they
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  Speaker 1: would some would say they tried to catch these wild
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  Speaker 1: men to put them in the circus. And now, and
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  Speaker 1: you did mention earlier Xena, I think Xena was her name.
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  Speaker 1: She was the Russian.
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  Speaker 2: Likedertal or something just like a freak of nature, and
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  Speaker 2: they thought people would pay money and to see stuff
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  Speaker 2: like that, you know, and it was something strong and
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  Speaker 2: eye of ordinary. I remember as a kid going to
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  Speaker 2: the Fars and you probably remember this too. It went
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  Speaker 2: on for many years until just recently. You had what
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  Speaker 2: were called freak shows you had and some of these
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  Speaker 2: were just people putting on because it was like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a nail head, he could drive nails in his head
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  Speaker 2: and the different types of things you do. But then
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  Speaker 2: you had some people born like this or had these
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  Speaker 2: type of things going on that they were exhibited. I remember.
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  Speaker 2: The most popular ones were definitely the doll face boy.
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  Speaker 2: I know if you remember that, the doll face they
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  Speaker 2: called him because he had long hair and all that,
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  Speaker 2: and he didn't really look like a dog. He just
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  Speaker 2: looked like somebody with a lot of hair. But that
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  Speaker 2: was the way he was exhibited. Is the doll face boy,
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  Speaker 2: and you had all these different freak sures. They were
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  Speaker 2: making a lot of money on these things, okay, and
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  Speaker 2: that was the showmanship back then. Of course, we yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we live in a different age now we looked a
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  Speaker 2: little bit slightly different upon these things. But once upon
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  Speaker 2: the time, these we were, like they said, freaks of nature.
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  Speaker 2: They thought this was something people would definitely pay to see,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: something out of the ordinary, absolutely no matter what. And
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: I think that goes with the wildest so called wild
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: man fused they're back in back in like the eighteen
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: hundreds and all that few to come up with someone
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: like that, they would end it up in a freak
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: show very quickly because they could make some money on it.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, if they could be teamed enough to get
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: into a or I guess they just had to put
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: them in a cage. I mean, it just sounds it
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: sounds terrible.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: The last picture I showed are two fellas, I think
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: the maybe brothers out of Mexico who are actually in
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: the circus. You know, they're sure they get paid. Okay,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: they probably weren't forced to be in the circus, but
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: you know they were in the I think it's called
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: the Mexican International Circus. That's what that was. And that
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: does remind me of the where Wolf Springs train crash
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: back in back in the day, where it said that
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: you know, the train crashed, the circus performers escaped or
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: got out of the train, and the only two, it
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: was called specimens that escaped were the two wolfmen.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Here's the interesting thing, and I've done tons of research,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: you know, over the years, and I've been doing this
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: for over half a century now, and what fascinates me
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: is that from town to town and in different time periods,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: you have the same things. You have reports of wild
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: men and then you have also werewolf reports going on.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: You have these different Almost every small, regular sized city
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: had these reports. I mean, I live in the town
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: right now that had a werewolf back in the werewolf
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: siding back in the forties. Okay, that made that made news,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: that made the news. It was on newsreel. I have
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: to show it to you. Sometimes. Very interesting anyway, you
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: have this going from town to town. You have wareworf shidings,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: you have wild men shidings, you have the witch sightings,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: and all these different things that would have fascinated people,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: that would have been great stuff for the newspaper articles
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: because they were always looking for something to keep their
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: circulation going and to keep their to keep the money
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: coming in. And as you could tell a story about
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: a wild man or a werewolf or an ape. Well,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of stories about devil monkeys that people
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: are saying, we need to do a show on that.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Sometimes that's a fascinating money devil monkeys in a while. Anyway,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: you have all these different things that pop up from
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: town to town very long. Whether I'm not gonna say
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: a little small hamlets there were just a couple of
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: store buildings. I'm talking about the more the bigger size
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: to towns you had this because they were also in
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: the circuit of these circuses and fads that would come through,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: the shows that would come through, and that's how they
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: made money. But they keep theirself going time time, And
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: I can see why they were doing it because, like
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I said, it's sold newspapers. That was a big thing
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: back in the day. That's how you got your news. Newspaper.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Now you don't you already ever see the most newspapers
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: are electronic now okay, but then that was the thing
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: you stood on SIDEWALKI sold of stuff. You talked about
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: it while men that you saw, uh, weird things that
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: happened to me that was that makes sense when you
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: think about it, And no wonder if beach popping up.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: And I have read so many, I may hundreds of
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: accounts of these things being seen in different towns across
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: the South, especially and around the Appalachian Mountains. This was
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: very prevalent, Yes.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: But I thought it was mostly over the South, Okay,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: because I hear about all of the local wildman reports
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: from Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, Florida. Florida has a
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: really famous one, South Carolina has Alabama the wild man. Okay,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: so I thought it was mostly the South. But when
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I started researching this, I'm finding reports in Washington, Okay,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: all over the West coast. Actually. Now I found something
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: really interesting too, is that you know, when I was
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: talking about the different categories of the wild men, one
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: of the categories includes feral humans who are basically humans
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: who are deemed to be insane. Okay, now there's a
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: really interesting case out of Washington, and I'll go ahead
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: and talk about that. First. I was going to talk
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: about it last.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: But let's talk.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and talk about it. Because this was
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: a man Okay, he actually let me find his name here. Okay,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I have I'm sorry, usually have my usually have my
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: notes printed out. I'm having to scroll. Okay. So this
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: is from the wild Men of Why New Nucci, Why
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: New Nucci. I think that's how you say that before
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I go further on. And thank Mareen, thank you for you,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: for you, and Gus from you and Gus for that supersticker.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that very much. Yes, y'all hit the light button, please,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: thank you. So okay, so this was actually back in
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen thirteen, the early nineteen hundreds. Actually there was
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: a man. Let me pull his picture up. He was
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: born a human boy. Okay. So this guy was actually
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: born a human and I have pictures of him with
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: his family. Okay, this is him.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Take this off.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: So he is actually the little boy third from left, okay,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: the little boy in the bat on the back row.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: He was born human, okay, obviously. And and so what
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: is his name, John Torna or torn Now? What was
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: his name, John Tornew? And he was among the local loggers.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: He was a nightmare figure for children in the area
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: as well. They called him the cougar man. And this
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: guy at some point went off into the woods. He
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: started living secluded in the woods in a cabin, a
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: little shanty cabin. He started he lost his mind, according
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: to what some people said, he lost his mind. He
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: was actually he lived off of eating bullfrogs, they said.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: And and people were very curious about this guy because
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: he had a wild man's face, they says. They called
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: him the wild man. He lived out in the woods.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, he started off a sane human, okay, an
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: actual sane person. And he was known to have like
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: a shaggy beard. He didn't really take care of himself,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: and he lived on he lived off the land basically. Okay,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: he lived off the land. Now he was unliving. People apparently,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: including two of his nephews. He ended up unliving. Let
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: me see if I can show some of these pictures here.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm I mean this is when Okay,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I'm only show him that that's him in the middle.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: He's been unlived, Okay, so I'm only going to show
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: this for just a second. Those are some of the
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: men that did eventually find this man. This guy had
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: gone on unliving spreeze or something and have been burying
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: bodies out in the woods. And so they ended up
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: chasing him down and unliving him after he had unlived
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: his two nephews. Okay, nonetheless, he was known as a
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: wild man. They call him the wild man, and so
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I did want to point that out that it's not
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: just all like bigfoot tight wildman. When people are referring
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: to wildman from the early nineteen hundreds and the eighteen hundreds.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: If due to some mental illness you definitely had this
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: kind of turn of mind and you went out into
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: the forest and lived like an animal, people would look
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: upon that very distinctly as some of the type of
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: mental illness, and there would mean there might be definitely
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: mental illness involved in some of that, you know, definitely,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: but they were unfortunately going about treating it the wrong
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: way other than what we would do nowadays in that situation.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: But you know, Jessica, now to time, there's been a
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: lot of rumors of feral people, you know, being we've
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: we've done shows about that being seen out in especially
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: the appellations and different areas of the wilderness. That's not
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: only in this country. That's this is a worldwide thing, Okay.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: It goes into many different countries, just like the Wildlanders.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: And here's the interesting thing about the Wildland. There are
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: stories and rumors that for many years there were pockets
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: of Neanderthals left in the forest that the people would
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: encounter these people, these things, these beings, and that was
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: where the wild Man's story actually supposedly originated. And I
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: think this truth in that because, like I said earlier,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: it's a lit of like a racial memory for us
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: that these things are still in our folklore, in our culture,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: that we've encountered them without a doubt. Some of these
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: people might be sort of I would call it, how
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: the Neanderthal complex. That would be sort of another turn
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: to go this way to become faraoh like that. You know,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: there's doesn't an explanation for that. Okay.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: So when this gentleman passed away, they took him into
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: and they took him into town, and it was such
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: a fascinating thing because people wanted to see what this
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: man looked like because they heard that when he was unalive,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: that he looked more like a gorilla than he looked
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: like a human, is what they said. They literally said,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: he looked more like a gorilla. Let me see, I'm
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: trying to find he said. They fired the man who
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: unlived and fired seven times at what he described as
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: a large bearded head, more gorilla than human, his thirty
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: thirty rifle bullets clipping him like bark off in large
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: chunks around the outlaw as Torneaud fired back. Okay, So
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: the man who had gotten a gunfight with some people
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: that were bounty hunters that were trying to find him.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Now I also know about bounty hunters that were sent
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: out back then to hunt down the Okeefanokie giants as well.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: So bounty hunters were kind of a thing back then
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: that were sent out to hunt down these wild men
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: and these giants.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: It would be very interesting to see if you had
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: some kind of neandath all DNA going on there with that. Absolutely,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: but to go that completely wild and zvero, they consider
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: that to be a very dislike a freak of nature.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: And they didn't. They did. They would deal with it
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: by like hunting these people down and unlighting them definitely,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: because like I said before, if you didn't fit in
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: their mode, you didn't fit in with their civilization. There
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: was no room left for you, you know, in that respect,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: and that's kind of sad that they wouldn't went about
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: it this way. But uh yeah, I can kind of
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: see their point of view too, because here were these
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: ones that were human beings and no longer act like humans,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: and they're dangerous, they're killing people. Maybe they're doing these things,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: they're stealing livestock and all that. I can see their
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: point of view too. You know, if you had to
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: do something about that, and you had to, you know,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: it was a problem that had to be taken care of.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Oh that's a really good point, hey, Dan.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Dan says that when domestic pigs returned to the wild,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: they transformed into wild boars. Maybe it's like that, a
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: primal transformation.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: They become very dangerous when that happens. I think there
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: was a story about a guy that had a large
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: hog and he got out of his pen and went wild,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: and uh it actually grew tusk like a boer out
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: in the wild and would attack people to get killed
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: a couple of children. And they finally hunted this thing
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: down and killed it. But it had once been a
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: domestic swine.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Oh I have not heard of that before. That's wild
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know that they would go back to
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you have to just assume that
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: people would animals would go back to being more wild
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: when they have to take care of themselves. Domestication as
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: a hell of a thing, right.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: So I saw I saw a film the other day.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: I wish you could have send it I live syndity
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: if I can find it again. And it was a
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: group of bears in the wild that they took video
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: of this and in the middlem was a big husky
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: dog living he is actually he I think the dog
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: thinks he's a bear, okay, because he's falling along and
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: living with them, eating with them and everything. It's wild.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: But he had some domesticated dog that went wild and
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: became part of the bear clan.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: I know. I think that was from some drone footage
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: from a family. They had lost their dog and they
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: couldn't find him, and he had been gone for a
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: while and they just found him running wild with some
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: wild bears. So he was living his best life. Yeah,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: he can't can't be mad at it, I guess as
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: long as they're getting along. So wow, I wonder, I
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: wonder what drones have done to keep you know, scared
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: of out of out of coming out of hiding and stuff.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Everybody's got drums out in the woods.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Now. My own personal story on that is my father
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: once years ago when he was when he was little,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: they moved from one farm to another that he lived on,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: and this dog got left behind and he went back
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: a year later to get his dog, find his dog,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: and he did find it, but he had gone wild
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: and he and would not come back with him again.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: So if you give an animal that chance, sometimes they
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: will definitely go Pharaoh, they'll go back to the sort
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: of go back to their wild nature. On that, and
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: I can see where people would do the same thing
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: in certain circumstances. You know, if we dropped you out
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the Oregon forest alone with just
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: maybe an a who knows what kind of Jessica Jones
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: would turn out from that, you might be very fair
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: when we found you again.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: No, that's my second nature, man, I would I would
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: thrive out there like that.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: You have to do what you got to do.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I'm prepared. I'm prepared. It would it would kind of
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: suck after you know, a week. Well, I don't know
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: you've ever seen that show Alone. There's a show called Alone,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: and I don't know if they're still ared or not,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: but I love that show. And it's where they would
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: actually take people by a helicopter, I believe, and they
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: would drop them off in the middle of these desolate
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: like desolate areas to survive and it's like, whoever stayed
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: out there the longest? One?
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Ash youly, that is preferred training in some of the military,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: you know, the Navy, seals and stuff like that. They
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: trained that way. That's the way they train, and they
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: will like drop you for like two or three weeks
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: out in the middle of nowhere with a knife. Yeah,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: and that's it. You know, you got you gotta build
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: your own fires and do all these other things. It
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: toughens you up and it puts you in that frame
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: of mind to survive, and that is what you need.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: That is the edge that you always need in a
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: lot of different situations, especially when it comes to military
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: situations of life or death.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: You know, then said he'd learned to run on all fours.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Now that's a little freaky. It's crazy watching people run
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: on all fours. That's that's really weird. Now, I would
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: be great out there during the daytime. Now at night
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: out there by myself, it would be a whole other ballgame,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: knowing what I know, knowing all the creatures that are
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: out there, and not having a weapon. I mean, if
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: you have to have a weapon, I'd make a weapon.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I'd make weapons. Okay, that's not an issue. But yeah,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: my preferred method of protection would be a pew pew. Okay.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: So anyways, I digress. This is let me go to
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: some of these wildman reports, because there's a lot of them,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: and I think these are really significant, and so I
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: just wanted to kind of go down the list of
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: a few of these. Let's start off in North Carolina.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: I was talking to my friend Amanda this morning. She
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: lives in North Carolina. So let's start in North Carolina.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Eighteen seventy seven. A party of gold miners. Of course
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: they're gold miners, because Bigfoots love gold and gold mines.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: They were traveling through the Globe Valley in Caldwell County,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: North Carolina. They described what they thought was a wild man,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: although he was only forty yards from that wild man.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: One miner claimed that it was a peculiar, peculiar specimen
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: of humanity appeared to be a giant about six foot five,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: with a funnel shaped head and two inch long dark
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: hair covering his body. When he spotted the miners, he
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: pounded on his chest like Tarzan by the way, before
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: turning and bounding off into the woods with the speed
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: of a deer. The party tracked him with gunstrong into
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: a cave deep in the mountains, where they found bones
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: of many animals scattered around, indicating that he had lived
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: there for quite a while. Now, they said that it was,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: you know, super similar to hundreds of other reports from
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: the southeast. Let's just say the southeast right now, because
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: we're kind of focusing on the Southeast, especially following the
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Civil War. Now, I would assume that the Civil War
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: probably stirred up a lot of wildlife. I guess with
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: all the shooting and all the cannons going off and
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: all the fire, it had to put everything into it chizzy.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: So maybe that's why there were a lot of wild
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: man reports after the Civil War. Dnis, would you would
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: you agree with that?
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Yes? Matter of fact, there's been a lot of reports
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: from the Civil War. Directly after the Civil War people
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: actually going faraleh, going into the woods and living off
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: the land. Here's the interesting thing about that, since we've
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: mentioned mental illness earlier, the war can affect you. War
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: can affect you in mentally in many different ways. And
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: I think some of these guys might have been suffering from,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: you know, shell shock and stuff like that. Traumas that
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: they went through change them and turn them into these things.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: You know, it's very interesting. This whole thing is very ancient.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: He goes way way way back. Look at the Look
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: at the biblical story of King nebuk and Azar. He
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: was turned into an animal by God for seven years.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: He lived like an animal out in the forest, seven
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: years before he got back in his right mind. Again.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: This thing has gone on, I think, I think this
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: can be some kind of sometimes I'm not saying every time,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: but sometimes a definite mental illness thing going on here.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: That these people have been to trauma or something that
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: has really changed their mind. I know my great great
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: great great grandfather, who fought into the Civil War, was
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: never the same after that. He was actually held in
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: a Yankee prison in Elmira and New York, where they
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: said that it was very inhumane conditions course to all
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: the prison prisoners back in there, North or South they
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: were terrible places. And when he got out, he actually
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: had another family up in ther that he had and
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: then years years later came back to the family in
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: the South that he had and they thought he was
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: dead all that time. They thought he was unalive by
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: the Civil War, but he was alive anyway. That's what
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: the war can do to you mentally, you know. And
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: that happened right after the Civil War. A lot of
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: people had problems like that, and some of them went
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: to the wild definitely.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and this is this is terrible to but
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: you know it was. My great great grandfathers were in
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: the Civil War as well, and one of them, when
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: he finally made it home, he had scarring all over
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: his body on it from his head to his toes
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: where they were all starved nearly to death, and so
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: some of the men tried to eat him. They were
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: all trying to eat each other like cannibalism because they
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: had no food, and so he had scars all over
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: his body from that.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: So okay, well, speaking of the Civil War, I have
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: a really good wild man story from the Civil War
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: in eighteen seventy one. Now this I believe this is
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: in Tennessee Okay, Tennessee. I was just up there at
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: the squatch out not too long ago. It says the
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: wild Man was rounded up by a squad of citizens
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: near Morgantown. Oh, this is West Virginia, actually West Virginia.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Described as half man, half beast, covered in rags with long,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: brushy hair, giving him the appearance of a gorilla more
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: than a human being. The wild man said his name
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: was Thomas Foley, a native of Ireland. Bully had lived
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: in Connecticut for some years before fleeing for the wilds
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: of West Virginia, where he had been for only two years.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: After one of the squad leaders brought him home and
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: dressed him in nice clothes, he took an opportunity to
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: escape and bolted into the mountains, tearing off his clothes
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: as he ran. The wild Man, who supposedly captured five
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: members of Braxton's Brag's Confederate Army in Tennessee, was reported
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: to be one Bill Payton, who refused to join the
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Confederate Army and took to the hills to flee the
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: home Guard. Okay, so they sound like gorillas, but they
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: are humans. Okay, so it is. It seems as though
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: they lost their minds.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: I think the one reason why that you hear a
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: lot about Harryman is it called and there used to
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: be a very interesting stories to tell kids about that
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: call about Wiley and the Harryman. I think the interesting
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: thing about a me and call. I don't think some
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: of these may have been covered with human hair. I
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: think a lot of these guys were wearing animal skins,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: and that might have made them look more like gorillas,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: you know, like they had a lot of hair all
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: over their bodies and all that. Because animal skins, that's
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: the number one available clothes out in the while. Okay,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: you can't dress with fig leaves and all that. It's
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: not a live long. You got to have some kind
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: of covering. And that's why we all we don't walk
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: around naked. Okay. It's not because we would blush about
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: it or we would find that uncomfortable, which we bother
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: would definitely, but we wear clothes to protect our bodies. Okay.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Your number one organ of your body is not your heart,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: by the way, it's your skin, which covers your whole body,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: and it needs to be protected from the coal, from
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: the weather, from scratches and all that. You know, that's
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: why we wear heavy clothing and stuff. And when we
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: go out in the woods, we run in the briars
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: with thorns. It's a rough thing. Okay, you need clothes
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: and you you the number one thing that you would
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: find in the wild would definitely be animal skins, and
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: that's what you would close yourself with. And I think
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: a lot of these wild guys get depicted that way,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: you know, they they and I think there may be
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: some misunderstanding on that part. I believe some of them
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: are just wearing animal skins and they're not gorilla looking
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: like things.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: That would be definitely what feral people would do without that. Yes. Wow.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Aaron has an interesting comment here because we just covered
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: the Chickamauga Old Green Eyes with our friend Greg Smith,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: who came on the show a couple a few weeks ago,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: and and she says, there is a report of Indians
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: neander Thal Lloyd and the Lloyd couple in Chickamauga, that's
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: where Old Green Eyes is and the woman did walk
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: on all fours, but most likely this was a function
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: of the terrain in northwest Georgia. Oh okay, oh my gosh,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: that's wild. I'll have to have to look into that
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: a little bit more. Aaron, You've got some good info. Okay,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: good intel. I appreciate it. And not too far from
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: there where we're talking about the kind of East Tennessee
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: area too. I mean that's Chickamaug is right there at Chattanooga, Tennessee.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: And I have another account from eighteen ninety six.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, Old Green Eyes to be demonic in many ways,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: I think so. I think these are drawn to battle
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: fields and places that did like that and all that.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: I think that's got a lot to do with it.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: But there are also other reports of other strange things
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: being seen around man, not just Old Green Eyes. There's
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: some other stuff going on around the Chickamauga area. Definitely,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: we'll make some good interesting research it does.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to get up there and do some research.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna go out and do some research
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: with Greg and his people up there. Okay, So in
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: eighteen ninety.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Six, as you to take certain spiritual precautions when you
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: do that, because it sounds very demonic to mean.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I will, I will. I will consult with you, Dennis,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Okay before I go up there, I promise, thank you. Okay,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: All right. So in eighteen ninety six, Forest and Stream
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: published a sketch The wild Man of Chiliwee, a gruffalo
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: type creature with talon like fingernails and toenails, tusks instead
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: of teeth, and hair, and a beard to his waist.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Four hunters encountered the naked man in the forests of
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: East Tennessee, and after following him back to where he lived,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: they attempted to seize him and haul him back to Cleveland, Tennessee,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: but the man used his brute strength to overpower the
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: men and run. A posse later returned for the wild man,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: captured him, and sent him to the Insane Asylum, where,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: according to the report, he now reposes in comfort.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: That sounds very Neanderthal to me, that sounds very much
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: like not of the Anderthal. Uh. You know that would
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: be interesting, Jessica, wonder about that. There might be pockets
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: of Neanderthals. They still exist in our world, and very
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: far out. You know a lot of areas of virgin falls.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: We have never set foot in some of these places,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: especially in Oregon and Washington. Places like that, certain parts
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: of California that no man or woman has ever been in. Uh.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: There could be anything out there, and what if there
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: are some remaining pockets of Neanderthals out there. That's fascinating
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: to think about it.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's it's really quite disturbing actually when you think
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: about it. But okay, let's see. So they mentioned Cleveland, Tennessee.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Now I believe Cleveland is the same area where this
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: it is. It's a Cleveland Banner, Okay. So Aaron sent
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: me this what we're about to talk about right now,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: And now I did some digging. I was trying to
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: find the actual article online. I couldn't find it, but
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I did find that this, this Cleveland Banner does exists. Okay,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: this newspaper. They've been around since the eighteen fifties I believe, okay,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: or maybe even before that. And so this is this
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: is just like, this has nothing to do with what
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: we're talking about today, but I did want to pull
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: it up. They I think they went into business in
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: eighteen forty, eighteen fifty something like that. And they did
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: report on wild men. I'm sure they did. They're in
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: East Tennessee. I couldn't find the exact article online, though,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: But let me tell you what what Aaron. Let me
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: let me recite what Aaron sent me. Okay, So Aaron said,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: so there's this.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: She sent me this.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: She said, this is the weird sighting was never able
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: to verify this existence of John Harecrow, but David Balllew
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Junior was a real person. My interpretation was the first
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: report was true. The second may not be full and
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: maybe not fully true, but there maybe bit some pieces
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: or truth in it. Okay, So let me get into
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: what we're talking about here. So on May twenty third
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: of eight, eighteen seventy three, in the Cleveland Banner, that
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: magazine or that newspaper, which I do believe they've been posting.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: They do like three releases a week, Okay, so like
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: they print three times a week. They've been doing this.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: This is eighteen hundreds. They wrote an article called monster
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: at Large, Okay, and it says somebody wrote in and said,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: dear sir, the horrible sight of a hairy man has
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: been seen in fannin County Georgia, which is actually right
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: near Chickamauga. It's not too far from all that, but
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: it's if you're at the very tip of the top
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: of Georgia, it's the county right dead center in the
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: middle right by Tennessee, Bannon County, Georgia, is wild and monstrous.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: He has been seen in houses carrying off women and children.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: He is eight feet high and is covered all over
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: with black, curly hair. He started from a house lately
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: with the woman in his arms, but the approach of
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: two men, she was released. The settlement has alarmed and
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: pursuit give on horseback. After a hard ride, the monster
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: was overtaken and a terrible fight ensued in which a
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: man by the name of John Harecrow was unalived and
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: a horse had his tail torn off, and the pursuers
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: were forced to retreat and leave the field. In possession
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: of the monster. The settlers are arming themselves with guns
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: and watching for him. He makes his appearance just before
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: in time of a rain. Okay, so right before it
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: rains is when he usually comes out, says yours truly,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: David below Balllew, Junior, Wolf Creek, Cherokee County, North Carolina,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: May thirteenth. All right, So this is interesting because then
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: the Savannah Morning News, which is in Savannah, Georgia over
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: on the east coast, put an article in their paper
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: on June fourth of eighteen seventy three. We copy the
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: following from the Western press, where it is highly popular.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: The wild Man in the Woods has made his annual
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: appearents once more, and very early he brings this time
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: in Fannin County, Georgia. He is represented to be eight
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: feet high, and in a recent fight with some citizens
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: who attempted to capture him, he killed one of them,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: as represented, and tore the tail off a horse. On
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: June the twelfth of eighteen seventy three, the Cambridge City Tribune,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: which is in Indiana, wrote, the wild Man in the
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Woods is in Georgia. Now he has got to be
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: eight feet high and tears out a horse's taill with
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: one turn of the wrist. Okay, so this was spreading.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: This is how new spread, of course, like it does today.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: And then in the Cleveland Banner this interesting article came out.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Now this is weird, Dennis, this is so weird, and
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: I'm going to read this full thing. I think the
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: audience deserves to hear this one. Okay, it says, dear sir.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: This was written in the newspaper The Horrible Sight of
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: the Hairy Man. Given an account in the the Banner
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: twenty third Ultimo by D. A. Bellew is creating a
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: wild excitement in this county, and still more horrible to relate,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: there had been seen in company of him a dwarf
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: man and a large wild bull. The dwarf man is
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: slightly inclined to be hairy. His eyes look like balls
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: of fire. He appears to be about five and three
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: quarters feet high, very lean, and supposed to weigh not
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: more than thirty six pounds, and breathing. He makes a
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: small whistling noise through his nose and can be heard
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: a quarter of a mile. The strange breathing is so
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: loud as to warn the excited women and children of
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: his approach in time to hide. The bull is supposed
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: to weigh over two thousand pounds, is wild and furious,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: and can run as fast as a fleet horse. The
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: monster hairy Man, as Blue informed you, is eight feet
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: high in about four hundred pounds, and is equal in
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: speed and strength to the bull. The dwarf and bulls
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: seem to be under the supreme control of the hairy Man.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: The hairy man in the bull have been seen on
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: the high sunny points the crackers Neck Mountain, ricking each other.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: They have also been seen to make several circuits around
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: the summit of this mountain at a very high speed,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: making a noise like a storm of wind, seeming to
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: be sporting. The hairy man passed through the settlement and
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: picked up a cast off jewel, which he seemed to
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: prize very highly, as he was seen fondling and amusing
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: himself with it. Sounds kind of weird. These monsters seem
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: to possess supernatural powers. They can gauge, They can cause
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: ghosts to be seen anywhere in the settlement, making the
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: most horrible noises ever heard by man. A widow lady
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: and two lovely daughters have been frightened by those monsters
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: until they are almost maniacs. The widow and one of
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: her daughters were mesmerized and carried a half mile from
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: home in the dead hours of night. They may not
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: be sensible of their removal and shut and shut up
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: an old, dilapidated house standing near a dismal swamp. When
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: they awoke from the mesmeric spell, they heard a thundering
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: crash come down from above. The roof of the old
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: house was wrung off, and they heard the strange breathing
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: of the dwarf man high up in the elements. In
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: a moment, he came through the house, saying, peace, dear
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: widow and daughter. I am wire worker and have power
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: even to move regiments, and am acting under orders of
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: the Hairy Man. They were there for three hours, dreadful hours,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: listening to his incantations. Frantic with fear, they were suddenly
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: mesmerized and seriously carried to their home. After remaining at home,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: they did not know how long they had been there,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: the spell was removed, and they heard strange breathing on
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: top of their chimney, repeated by incantations, and on opening
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: their eyes was the monster hairy Man with his jewel
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: the daughter. They just felt like they were put under
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: a spell. Okay, I mean that is a really strange
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: story and almost sounds like a creative writing project kind of.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: But what is your take on this, Dennis?
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Well, Basically, what they're describing here is what is called
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: in the Appalachian Mountains a conjure man, and the conjure
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: man can appear in many different ways. He is really
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: what you would call a wizard or a witch. He
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: can do different things, and the little dwarf with him
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: sounds very much like a demon. Familiar that you would
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: have if you were a witch or wizard, you would
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: have a familiar demon that would be your little sidekick,
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: you might say. And in that respect, and the bull,
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: I think is also a representation of this power that
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: he has control over animals and people and you hearing
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: about them doing incantations. All this is a long history
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: in the appellations about the conjure men. They were feared
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: by the people, and they were very afraid of these
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: things because they were sort of like wishes on steroids.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: They were very bad guys to deal with. And they
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: could be a contra man, that could be a conture woman. Okay,
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: you had both sides of the coin there, but they
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: could do things extraordinarily more so than your common wish
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: could do. Okay, And that was the way these people
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: looked on it. And that is a definitely account of
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: a conjure man. Now, the conjure man is also described
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: in two ways. Is having a lot of hair and
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: a giant He's always big, he's always like eight or
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: nine foot tall, and he can be hairy, but he
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: can also be wearing a hairy coat that you can
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: take off, like a long coat that you can wearing it.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: It's sort of like a camel hair coat company anyway,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: that is the way he's often described. So what you've
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: got there is an account of a conjure man.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, I see.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: I've not heard of that before, so that makes total sense.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: So this could be this could be some truth. I mean,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: like Aaron was saying, there's no you know, one of
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: those people is as a fictitional, fictitious person potentially, But
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: what are the odds or what are the chances of
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: maybe even people back then didn't want their real names
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: used for things like this, because we're still talking about weird,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: supernatural stuff that could really ruin your reputation.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: I would think, yeah, they did. There was a time
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: that you didn't talk about things like this, definitely. I
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: mean I've had that back and many many years ago,
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: when I first started in studying all this stuff and
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: getting involved in it, you didn't talk about things very
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: much like you do now. It's my while in the
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: open now, but back in the day, if you talked
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: about certain subjects like this, they were ready to put
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: you somewhere because they thought you were definitely mentally off.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: And there is to this day and I'm the current
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: of that unbelief still there. You know, some people will say,
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: I don't believe in that stuff. I don't believe in
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: all that stuff. But let me tell you what happened
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: to me. There is always an element of it where
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: they do really belie, but they don't only actually admit it.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: And that that was very prevailing back in the days,
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: back in the days when these things like that happened.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: And I can see where they were coming from with
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: that as well. For sure.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Now I do want to speaking of mental hospitals and
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: insane lunatic asylums and stuff I want to. I think
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: it's a good time to talk about the O Cheesy
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Pond wild Man down in Florida. So the wild Man
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: of O Cheesy Pond, it's kind of like a they
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: say it was kind of a I think it was
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: like a type four sasquatch, like a Neanderthal looking man
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: covered in thick hair. He was captured in eighteen eighty
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: four after some farms, like some gardens were raided. So
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: he was out there taking people's food out of their
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: gardens and uni unidentifiable and thought to be insane. They
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: caught him in the pond like he used to go
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: take baths in the cheesy pond, and I have pictures here.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: Let's see this is okay, So here's the actual pond.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: It's more like a swamp. Okay, it's so cheesy swamp
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: in my opinion. I mean, I would not personally go
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: swimming in that because I know there's alligators down there.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: I have swam with alligators before, Oh yeah, but I
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: wouldn't today if I didn't have to. So there's that.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: This oh cheesy pond wild man was actually captured, okay.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: I think they caught him while he was in the
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: pond taking a bath one day, and they took him
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: to from what I can remember, they took him to
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: the state capitol in Tallahassee s either Gainesville or Tallahassee,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: I think it was Tallahassee and put him in front
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: of the governor. The governor said, oh, hell no, I
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: don't want anything to do with this, and shipped him
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: off to the Florida State Hospital. Now this is actually
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: in Chattahoochee. Chattahoochee. This is a picture from nineteen thirteen,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: which I find this interesting because if you look at
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: that picture of this old hospital, it looks really old,
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: but it also looks like it could have been a castle.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: All right, I'm just like.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Prisons, and this is where you sent people. You didn't
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: want to deal with it anymore, no matter what the
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: situation was. And I think the very famous reporter Nellie
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Bly actually did an expo was a on the insane asylum.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: She got put in one on purpose to see what
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: was going on inside and how they were treating people.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: And they were horrific conditions in these places. They were
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: doing things that we would consider torture to people. They
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: were putting them in the ice baths and then they
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: would dip them in the hot water and all they
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: do all these weird things to try to affect them mentally. Supposedly,
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: they thought this was the only way they could treat
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: mental instability. These were not just asylums. They were like prisons. Absolutely. Yeah.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: It's very sad, and a lot of people were put
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: in to these mental asylums that probably didn't need to
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: be there. They really didn't, especially women too. A lot
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: of men they were tired of their wife, they'd throw
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: them in the mental institution.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: That was the fear that they had to live with
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: back in those days. I mean, if you were to
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: say the wrong thing or maybe reach the wrong opinion
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: or the wrong belief in something like say, oh yeah,
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: I believe they're wishes or stuff like that. Whatever the
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: situation is that people took offense to that, that's where
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: they would stick you. They would think they would put
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: you in that mental hospital. So you had to live
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: with that fear if I say the wrong thing, well
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: I end up in an asylum. You know. That was
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: just the atmosphere they lived in in those times.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well you know. Okay, So I'm not sure
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: that they ever admitted that this was like a bigfoot
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: or a sasquatch or anything like that. I do have
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: to say that I have done some research on a
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: private residence property in Chattahoochee, Florida, where this hospital is
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: right down the road. It was actually the Bridges House. Now,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: I was asked back then, this was almost ten years ago.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: It was probably eight or nine years ago when I
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: did this. We were called down to their house to
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: go investigate bigfoot sightings. Okay, they'd had a bigfoot that
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: came up on their back porch and it banged on
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: their window and it yelled and screamed, And they've been
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: having a lot of bigfoot sightings there. Well, they were
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: very private about it back then, and so I was
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: asked not to ever, you know, say their name publicly
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: and stuff. And that was before I ever was public,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: so you know, I didn't have an issue with that.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: But since then, they've been on Animal Planet, they've been
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: featured on all sorts of different shows when it comes
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: to bigfoot. The bridges down there, and they had so
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: much activity on their on their property. Actually, we camped
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: out on their in their yard. They have a bunch
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: of acreage out there and they call it the enchanted Forest.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Stacy Brown of renowned bigfooter, who he and his dad
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: had gotten some of the best skunk ape footage down
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: in Florida, got some of it on their property in
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: that same exact location where I had done that research
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: a long time ago down there and got he got
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: some good flear footage, some thermal footage of a skunk
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: ape on their property down there. So but anyways, I'm
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: just I'm only saying that because I've been there. It
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: is an area of extreme high strangeness already, and then
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: they've got the mental you know, the State hospital there.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: That's where a lot of my research is aiming at. Nowadays,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: there is a strange connection with bigfoot dog man things
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: like that, with magic or something like that element going
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: on with it. I don't know what that connection is
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: for and why it's there, but it's a fascinating aspect
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: of the research when you get into it. Why are
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: certain things like this connected with powers of nature or
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: dark powers and all this other stuff. There is a
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: definite connection going on it. And also there is a
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: connection to the wild man in that respect too, because
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: he is seen as having a direct part in the
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: power of nature and the darkness of nature. Maybe perhaps
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: that's very interesting to look at and consider the fact
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: that this is not just here and not just in
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: we're in our neighborhood, but this is in Europe and
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: the old and the Old World. All this stuff went on.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: There was a definite tie in and a lot of
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: this stuff. And here's the thing I got to wonder about, Jessica.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: When we came here to the New World, we brought
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: a lot of things with us. We brought our ghosts in,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: our witches and our gobbins and our wild men and
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: all that that came with us. They came over with us. Okay,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: that's the interesting part of all this culturally wise.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, we did we brought everything with us.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: I actually had an article that I can show that
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: didn't come out of the newspaper, and I did mention
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: the West Virginia incident where those I think it was
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: some of the Civil War soldiers had Oh no, this
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: is a different one. Actually, this is where the Okay,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: so I haven't gone over this one yet. The wild
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: man attacks a train. All right, Now, let me find
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: my notes on this. Sorry, I usually have my notes
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: in my hand. So this is another really interesting one
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: because there were a ton of witnesses to this. And
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: here it is from nineteen oh five. Okay, March third,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: nineteen oh five. This is from the Daily Telegram newspaper
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: based out of Clarksburg, West Virginia. It reported that passenger
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: trains coming through opah Kiska, a small community in Mongola.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: We'll like Mongolia. Okay, it's a county up there, Like,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: that's not the word, though, located on the Mono Galila
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: River between Fairmont. Fairmont and Morgantown, were being attacked by
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: a wild After one man was arrested, the attacks continued.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: So they blamed it on a human, all right, and
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: they arrested him. The attacks continued, scaring both trained personnel
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: and passengers so badly they refused to go after the
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: wild man themselves. And so I will read this article
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: real quick. It says the Daily Telegram, the citizens of
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: mon Mono Gogglia County are thoroughly aroused over the strange
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: and murderous actions of a man in that county, whose
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: identity has not been established so far, and whose capture
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: seems a remote possibility unless the state authorities organize a
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: posse and force him to surrender. Only a few days ago,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: as chronicled, a man was seen standing on the track
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: in front of the passenger train near Morgantown. He was
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: violently waving his hands. The train did not stop, and
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: he was compelled to step aside to save himself. As
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: the train was passing, he fired several shots at it. Later,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: a fellow lynch was a had suspected of the deed
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: and is yet held. But after his arrests, the matter
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: of trying to hold up passenger trains continued, and Thursday
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: afternoon at opah Kaiseki, as the passenger train was coming
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: towards Fairmont, a strange looking man stoned it. The train
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: stopped after having run him, and the brakeman went back
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: to arrest the fellow, but as he approached him, the
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: fellow showed fight, and the trainmen grew so nervous over
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: the man's strange appearance that he returned to the train.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: By the time he boarded the train, it had started again,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: and the brakeman called upon the passengers to volunteer to
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: go with him to capture this giant. As he was
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: at least six feet tall in ward a beard all
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: over his face which looked more like a mass of
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: bristles than whiskers. The passengers were not sufficiently alarmed over
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: the attempt made by the fellow on their lives to
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: organize themselves into a posse and pursue him. And that's it, okay,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: So that's odd okay? Or they it might user. Did
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: they see that this willd men fired a gun? Hey,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: they said that he fired a gun, So let me
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: see he's got weapons. It's probably not a bigfoot.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: No, that was definitely not a big foot. I don't
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: think that. But there have been reports. I was thinking
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: about this while you were reading that there have been
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: reports of bigfoots actually attacking camps, actually attacking tribes of
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: Indigenous people. There was like, I think the some of
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: the indigenous people had or with bigfoots for a while.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: They finally came to peaceable terms onn't it. But anything
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: like that would probably attack something like a train, definitely.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: But that doesn't sound like Bigfoot. It sounds more like
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: a Neanderthal type kind of a guy. And there again
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: I have to wonder about the Neanderthal connection with some
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: of this stuff and why this is happening. And you know,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of this made and I'm not
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: going to get into that today, but a lot of
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: this I think may reflect back to the nephelim that
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: we've talked about before and all that that there's still
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: that element in this world, whether it's the DNA wive
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: or whatever, that this keeps popping up town after time,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: especially when it comes to giants and stuff like that.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: And why are these things always bigger? When they talk
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: about these things, they're like they're always big, they're giants.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: They're more intimidating that way. You know what did you
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: run up against Jessica and it was a giant? It
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: was really very good. Huh. And it may look kind
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: of big you if you're scared of it. Definitely, it's
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: gonna look bigger than you normally would. But I think
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: a lot of these people that run into these things
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: exaggerated some of this. Okay, we got to look at
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: that point too. There may be a little bit of
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: an exaggeration on some of this stuff, but that still
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: doesn't bury the fact that they ran into something out
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: of the ordinary, something very unusual, and that's not what
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: they're trying to get across to you. You know, that's
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: a fascinating part of all this that there is that
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: connection with I think there is a connection with Bigfoot
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: in some of this stuff, not all of it. I
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: think there's some definite differences in some other stuff on
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: this absolutely, Oh yeah, there is.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: I'm just finding that there's a lot more what I
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: thought we're all going to be type for sasquatches, Neanderthal
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: like humans are actually just like feral humans or people
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: that have a lot of mental insanity going on.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: Edgar has an interesting point. He says, not all kidnapped
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: people get away absorbing people into their wild people clans. Wow,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: that's that's interesting too. You know, they're not just or them.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: I know, I was gonna say, they're not just eating
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: all these people and and I'm I'm sure some of
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: the people do get eaten, probably, But you know, this
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: also brings us down the route of like the missing
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: four one one phenomenon, and where all these missing people
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: are going from these in these clusters in these national
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: parks and you know, could could be these.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: I think the dangerous element of all this when you
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: go to the national parks especially, you better keep your
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: head on a swive little. Definitely, there's some some wild
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: stuff going on, and you got to ask yourself one
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: very important question, why are these people disappearing in those
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: certain areas that are all out of the way from
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: civilization and all that. What's going on with that? And
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: who is doing something? What is behind that? That's that's
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: the main question we got to ask about, the full one,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: you know, the the the the catalyst of it all.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: What's happening here? What's hunting the human rings out there?
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, hey, Kenny's Kenny's in the chat today Star Fox.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: What's up, Kenny? He's with the North American dog Man Project.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: Uh and uh, and he and I do shows every
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: other week together. So he says, it's odd the only
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: modern day man could use bows and throw things. The
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: Neanderthals weren't able to use bows or throw things. They
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: used close close warfare to take down mammoths and such. Yeah,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: you know, it's just like second nature to throw stuff,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: right or like, I don't know, my hands go up
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: when somebody gets in my face.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: Definitely. Yeah, ancient man was not stupid, and they knew
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: how to do things. Yeah, because they survive. That was
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: the thing. They were survivalists. They were supreme survivalists. Okay,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: they were doing things you and I wouldn't dream of doing,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: but they that was their life, without doubt.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was Oh my gosh, this has been a
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: fascinating discussion today, Dennis. This went way beyond my expectations
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: because I'm just I'm fascinated by this and uh and
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: there and I really wanted to highlight about how popular
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: wild men were back in the eighteen hundreds, in the
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: early nineteen hundreds, I mean, it was a nationwide phenomenon
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: and everybody wanted to see a wild man a lot
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: of people did.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: Another aspect of going back. When you go back there
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: the old newspaper accounts and stuff like this, another big
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: thing that they reported on. Would not want to do
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: a show on this. Sometimes airships they were talking abouts
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: when there were no such things. I like that. What
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: was going on with that? You hear a ton of
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: accounts of airships being seen back in those days. I know.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Well, and that's where we get into the old pictures
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: that looked like the skies have been erased and stuff.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's a whole other topic. And yeah, I
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: definitely plan on doing a show on airships one day soon.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: And because that's that's another It's just another part of
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: uncovering our hidden history. That's all this is. And all
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: these things are kind of connecting. One thing connects to
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: the next. Aaron says. The best confirmation is the reports
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: where they've captured or unlive to wild Man. The descriptions
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: are much less fantastical and more reliable for really commented research. Yes,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: I think it's fantastic. There's so many different articles.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: What strikes me as strange is the detail in these reports.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: They were very detailed. They didn't this coss over it.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: They gave you some very interesting details. When you dig
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: into this stuff, that's the fascinating part. You get some
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: clues on some of that, definitely. And that's another thing
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: that we have researched back in those days, or the
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: sightings of thunderbirds and the killing paradiactyls and stuff like that,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: and taking pictures all of them, and the pictures. I
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: wanna tell you something. And here's what I find out more.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: And this is like another show for another time too,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: But here's something that strikes me as strange. Just skin.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: I know there is a researcher. You've run into this too.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: We are coming upon history, history that's been erased.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it has been you know what, and people like
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: Jim Via Okay, thank you, Dan. I've actually met Jim Okay.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: He was He spoke the first bigfoot conference that I
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: ever went to, right when I first started bigfooting. He
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  Speaker 1: and Ron moorehead and are Scott Nelson and the head
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  Speaker 1: of my bigfoot research team are all speaking at this conference.
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  Speaker 1: And it was so good. Jim Via and his brother
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  Speaker 1: write books on the lost giants in America. Uh, that's wonderful,
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  Speaker 1: Dan says. The giants on record by Hugh Newman and
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  Speaker 1: Jim Via you guys, check them out. Jim's a fantastic dude.
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  Speaker 1: I need to get him on the show. He and
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  Speaker 1: his brother, they've they've been on the History Channel. They've
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  Speaker 1: got all these they used to do shows called Lost
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  Speaker 1: Giants of America or something like that. So I want
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  Speaker 1: to look into that. I mean, these are the people
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  Speaker 1: that are uncovering the real history here of giants, and
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  Speaker 1: so are we. Dennis, Thank you so much, Thank you
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  Speaker 1: so much for being here.
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  Speaker 2: Dennis.
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  Speaker 1: It's always a wonderful conversation when you're here. Wonderful done joy,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Can you tell the audience about your YouTube
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  Speaker 1: challenge and your Patreon and what you got going on tonight?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, we'll be on tonight with a very special guest,
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  Speaker 2: Barry Lyttleton. We're going to be talking about spiritual warfare.
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  Speaker 2: It'll be to night at nine o'clock PM Eastern Tendard
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  Speaker 2: Time on Hunting. The Shadows also have another show Friday night,
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  Speaker 2: nine o'clock PM Eastern Tentder Time called Paranormal point of View.
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  Speaker 2: We talk about all things connected with the paranormal movies
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  Speaker 2: and books and stuff like that. We get into a
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  Speaker 2: lot of discussions on that and also Monday nights with
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  Speaker 2: my good friend Gerald Fountain, I do a show called
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  Speaker 2: The Road Let's Travel Do We talk about the off
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  Speaker 2: beat subjects and stuff on there. Last week we did
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  Speaker 2: Mounds and it was a fascinating show. So check it
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  Speaker 2: out you missed it. And my patreon is Hunting the
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  Speaker 2: Shadows podcasts on YouTube. Oh that will be Hunting the
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  Speaker 2: Shadows Podcastpatreon dot com. Okay, check that out and you
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  Speaker 2: can become an official shadow Hunter there.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I always try to catch all your shows, Dennis,
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  Speaker 1: and I got two of my favorites on tonight, So
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  Speaker 1: you got Barry on there with you. And Barry's actually
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  Speaker 1: been in the chat today, so Barry, thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being here too in the chat. And everybody who's been
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: in the chat today, you guys just are amazing, Like
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  Speaker 1: it just really accentuates the entire show having y'all here
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  Speaker 1: and everybody putting in these wonderful comments. I learned so
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  Speaker 1: much from my chat Dennis. I really do. They all
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  Speaker 1: deserve their own shows, every one of them. And I
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  Speaker 1: also want to thank big time Aaron Kane. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: so much Aaron for sending me that information. Aaron sent
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  Speaker 1: me that email in regard to that weird story of
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  Speaker 1: the wild band, the dwarf and the bull.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so.
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  Speaker 1: Wonderful, wonderful stuff here. And Dennis, we will see you
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  Speaker 1: tonight over on your channel, and I hope you guys
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  Speaker 1: will come back and see me tomorrow night for a
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  Speaker 1: remote viewing show. I know Barry has given me a
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  Speaker 1: couple of targets. Maybe we'll do one of those tomorrow
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  Speaker 1: and I'll lest y'all know either tonight or tomorrow what
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  Speaker 1: that show is going to be on. But if you'd
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  Speaker 1: like to see the data for whatever we pick, please
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  Speaker 1: join my patreon for all that information. So yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: then i'll be back on Saturday. You guys come see
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  Speaker 1: me at the Mollina Bigfoot Festival in Molina, Georgia. I'll
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  Speaker 1: be there Friday night at the library and all day
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  Speaker 1: Saturday at the festival talking about the Bigfoot. All right,
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  Speaker 1: all right, Dennis, Well, thank you again for an awesome show.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you so much. Thank you. All right, everybody,
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  Speaker 1: stay safe out there, keep your head on a swivel.
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  Speaker 1: Watch for wild men and wild women. Okay, always watch
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  Speaker 1: your six all right, I'll see you all tomorrow. Bye, y'all.
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  Speaker 2: Bye. Dennis Mola.
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