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Brad Dacus: Waging Critical Battles For Religious Freedom · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Friends, family and Christ, thank you so much for tuning in watching, listening, sharing
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  the podcast.
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  Very important topic today, religious freedom, and all the craziness is happening around
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  the country.
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  We're going to catch up with Brad Dekas.
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  He's the president of Pacific Justice Institute.
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  It is a PJI dot org.
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  There are nonprofit based in Southern California across the country.
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  They have offices and they defend the religious freedoms, parental rights, and other civil
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  liberties of people who cannot defend themselves.
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  We're excited to catch up with him again.
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  By the way, we did a previous podcast with him.
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  It was last year.
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  If you want to look that one up and get more information on some cases they were working
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  on then, hey, there it is.
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  Our guys are quick.
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  And Jeff, way to go.
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  Brad Dekas, good to see you, brother.
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  Thanks for your time today.
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  Oh, thank you, David.
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  It's always a pleasure.
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  So, first off, you had a wonderful event recently, I mean, the last several weeks, Eric
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  Trump came out and spoke.
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  And was it a fundraiser?
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  Would it, you know, just tell us about that?
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  Yeah, it was our big celebration of justice.
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  And it wasn't a fundraiser, but it was so much more than that.
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  We had some great testimonies from people that shared how Pacific Justice represented
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  the without charge.
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  One thing that makes us so unique, as you know, David, is, first off, was that we have
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  offices all across the country, Miami to Boston, Seattle, but everywhere.
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  But also, we work hard to make sure that everyone gets help.
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  Our goal is to make sure that no one is left on the side of the road.
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  We have big cases that goes through in court, but we're unique and we don't just focus
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  on the big game.
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  We really want to make sure that everyone gets help.
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  And so, we're talking, this is celebration of the progress we've made, the people we've
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  helped, and the vision we have moving forward to be in ideally every state, not just the
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  majority of states across the country to have an impact.
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  So, it was a great event.
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  But make no mistake, Eric Trump was fantastic.
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  He got beside the podium, didn't speak behind the podium.
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  He got sort of beside the podium, and he didn't have a script, and he just got up there
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  for a half an hour and just gave the story of what he's been through, what his family's
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  been through.
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  It was a very eye-opening and inspirational, and we're looking forward to having our
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  gala next year.
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  We're still working on who our speakers were to be, but Eric Trump did a great job.
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  Fantastic.
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  So, Brad, we were connected, I used to live in Southern California, and I talked to
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  you a little bit over the phone back then.
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  We've done several interviews together, but about ten years ago, we had a case right
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  here in North East Wisconsin, and I believe it was Kevin Snyder that worked with us on
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  that one, and it was a non-discrimination ordinance that had to do with the transgender
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  issue and all that, for the city of DePierre, Wisconsin.
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  And thanks to PJI, we won, and so that was not passed, and I know that was a very successful
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  case.
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  Tell us about some of the other cases.
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  No, you've got one in New Jersey, Washington, and how you assign attorneys or offices to
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  cases.
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  How does that all work?
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  Yeah, well, we've got offices all across the country.
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  So like New Jersey, for example, you know, this was outrageous.
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  Under the Attorney General is decided to order all public school teachers, all, to firm
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  pronouns, even if it violates their conscience and religious convictions.
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  And frankly, I can't see how any teacher with just any conscience for humanity should
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  be forced to encourage any confusion, much less confusion that statistically increases
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  the risk of suicide substantially.
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  So, and not only that, but the teachers were also ordered by the Attorney General, that
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  they have to be willing to cover it up, lie, don't let parents know about this grooming
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  that they're secretly doing behind the scenes.
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  This is, it's, it's evil and our attorney, Karen White, she's out of the Trenton New Jersey
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  office.
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  She's an incredible experienced litigator.
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  She followed this lawsuit against the Attorney General, and we tend to take this toe-to-toe
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  as far as we need to, to go to that for that only to teachers, but also the peace of mind
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  of parents who still have their children in government public schools.
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  She, so this isn't this criminal when you've got the government, basically the public schools
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  going behind parents' backs.
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  And the parents don't have the rights to their own kids.
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  Yeah, it really is, and there was a case out of Maryland, dealing with school district,
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  Taylor versus Mahumad, and it was a very important case to frame court hell that parents have
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  a right to receive notice and a right to opt out their children of things that violate
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  their beliefs or convictions.
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  So I think, you know, governments like New Jersey and others that go down this road to continue
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  to violate rights of parents, they're really losing cause because when we believe that
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  these cases make their ways to frame court and they will make their ways to frame court,
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  we're going to see the Supreme Court strike these down and be decisive victories for parents
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  rights across the country.
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  That's our game plan, and we're working hard to make sure that's accomplished one way
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  the other.
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  Okay, so for the newer viewers and listeners we have on World View Matter, since the last
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  time you were with us last year, Brad, what makes Pacific Justice Institute unique?
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  Yeah, that's a great question.
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  So we defend religious freedom, parents rights against the government, sanctified human
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  life, all without charge, but what makes us really unique is that we don't just have
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  one office in Phoenix or one office in Dallas, we have 36 offices, coast to coast, and my
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  goal is for there to be no place, no school board anywhere where Satan can go for vacation,
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  no city council meeting, whatever.
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  That we have the ability to go to Tonato, have sent our attorneys to testify in state
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  legislatures and we've been doing this very, very effectively.
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  So it's, that's very different.
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  And then also, we is the fact that once I mentioned, we work hard to make sure that everyone
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  gets help.
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  We don't just cherry pick a few high profile cases that are going to look good in a news
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  letter.
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  Our goal is with a heart of service to make sure everyone gets help.
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  And that's why last year, you know, we, you know, right now, we have about 170 cases
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  in active litigation.
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  And we also just had a big victory that has not been released yet, but people who want
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  to keep up with our big victories, including the one that just we just found out about
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  this morning, can do so by signing up to get our legal insider.
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  It's a free e news letter called the legal insider at our website, pj i dot org.
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  But our goal is to make sure that everyone gets help that no one's left on a side of
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  the road.
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  So if anyone needs assistance, they may have been turned down by some other group or firm.
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  They should not hesitate to contact us.
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  In fact, you know, we, we led the nation with more cases than the EEOC when it came to
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  title seven claims involving people with religious objections to the very, very controversial
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  COVID facts.
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  We've led the nation in these victories all across the country.
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  And I believe it's our work by God's grace that has sent a loud message to employers and
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  government agencies.
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  If we have another pandemic, don't even think about engaging in that tyranny again or
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  you're going to pay for it.
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  And the case I can't announce that if people sign up, they'll get the press release on
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  it.
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  It was a big victory this morning of involving a company that everyone's heard of, clearly.
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  So it's a, it's a, we're making lots and lots of progress.
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  You know, David, last year, you had a better than a 90% success rate and our litigation
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  that was resolved.
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  This year, it's going to be even definitely higher than that.
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  And this morning's victory is, is an example of it.
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  I'm really excited about it.
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  Praise God, Brad.
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  I want to mention AB 495 and just get an update from you on that for friends that are not
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  in Southern California that don't keep up with all that.
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  Now it was introduced as a, quote, family preparedness plan act of 2025 by its authors.
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  But from what I read and understood, the bill would broadly pave the way for any adult
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  to take custody and make medical decisions for a minor with or without the knowledge of
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  a parent by signing a single document.
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  What else can you tell us about that?
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  And I believe it, it passed and what's the, what's the latest on AB 495 in California
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  right now?
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  Yeah.
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  Great question.
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  So first off, this legislation was doing the opposite of what it said it would do.
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  So exactly.
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  George Orwell's 1984, where everything means the opposite of what they say, like the inflation
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  protection act was the opposite, it created inflation and government spending.
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  So anyway, but so that's what this was.
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  It was, you know, to protect parents rights who are being deported.
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  Well, what it actually was is it said any parent, any child can be taken by a stranger who
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  simply goes to the school, prints out an affidavit on their own, not signed by a judge and
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  gives it to the school and says, yeah, I'm a mentor to this child and the parents are
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  available.
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  So give me, give me the, give me the, give me the little Susie here.
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  No background check was required.
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  The ID of the person is not required.
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  The address where the person's lives is not required.
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  Any stranger could come in and lie and take any child at any time, anywhere in public
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  school in California.
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  That was the original version.
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  Now we've waited on this heavily, a Pacific justice to, we sent a very detailed legal
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  objection letter to it.
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  I testified at the rally and they're at the state capital.
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  We waited on it heavily and it was finally resolved in the end.
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  So that is not perfect, but it says school districts, they have the freedom, therefore
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  they have the responsibility from a legal perspective to do, check the ID of the person,
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  where the person's living, to contact the parents, do a background check, to validate
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  that the parents are, were put in prison or deported or no longer available, that the
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  parents have the right to say, yay or nay on this person who is getting custody in this
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  emergency situation.
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  So it's a big game changer.
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  The person still can technically be a stranger of its lying, but school districts have the
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  ability to hold them in check and we have Pacific justice have come out with a model policy
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  for every school district to adopt to make sure these protections are in place.
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  So it was a stopgap, we took care of almost all of the issues and as long as the school
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  district acts responsible, children will be protected.
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  We even have opt out forms, customized for all 50 states, but the one in particular
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  for California.
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  These are very powerful opt out forms, more powerful than ever because of the recent
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  Supreme Court decision on parents' rights to opt out.
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  But the one in California, we also put in there for a state for parents to state exactly
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  who should be contacted in case of emergency for temporary custody of the children.
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  So we've got it taken care of, school districts like we think are going to be very responsible
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  because if they're not and they let the child go with with some stranger, then they're
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  going to be liable if they haven't engaged with protective measures.
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  And we're going to sue them without a doubt if they are irresponsible.
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  So that's where we're at with this.
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  It really wasn't needed.
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  We already had legislation that allowed for kids in emergency situations to go with relatives
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  and a little bit more in terms of court involvement.
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  But anyway, so it's not as bad as it was going to be.
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  When Gavin Newsom was supporting originally, was going to be a living nightmare for
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  you.
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  Davey California.
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  Yeah, we had Jack Hibbs on the podcast a few times he was sharing his concerns about
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  that.
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  And I just appreciate bold pastors, bold men of God that were standing up against that
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  in California.
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  And across the country, there were some other bills and other states.
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  So let me understand this, Brad Dacus, as far as parents opting out, I know you can get
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  on your website under resources for parental rights or where else can they get opt out
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  forms.
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  Yeah, the best place is right on our website, pj i dot o r g every family in America who
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  has children should have access and use a kids and public schools should use this opt out
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  form.
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  It's customized for not only federal law, but also the individual state laws.
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  So if anyone says here's a generic opt out form for all 50 states, that's not good enough
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  because there's there's things they're missing in the way of state law and state statutes.
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  So we are very methodical, very detailed, it's and it's all without charge, all without
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  charge.
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  I'm a lawyer and I'm saying without charge.
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  That's a miracle.
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  I know.
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  And also we've got another really valuable resource every family with children in America
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  should have this and that's 12 steps to protect your child from CPS or social workers.
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  Every family needs to have this on hand.
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  If they wait for the social worker to call them or knock on their door, it's too late
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  because the article talks about how you need to respond to the social worker when they
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  make that initial inquiry.
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  Right now we have had dealt with cases where kids are being taken from families, Christian
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  families, simply because the parents are not willing to affirm or encourage gender confusion
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  and gender distortion of their children's bodies.
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  That's why parents are losing children, especially in blue states, in particular, but also in
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  red states and in blue cities.
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  So this is a valuable tool.
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  It's so valuable.
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  We'd say we project that if parents follow it, we project easily 98% will not lose their
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  child if they follow what we tell them to do.
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  If they don't, you know, it's very, very, very risky to lose their children wrongfully.
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  Wow.
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  This is just really amazing that this is where we're at, but we're thankful for PJI.
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  So, before I get back to Brad Dickerson, Pacific Justice Institute, I want to thank some
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  friends who have been giving Randall and Fay from Green Bay, Brian from North Carolina,
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  and Belinda from Winterville, North Carolina.
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  God bless you guys.
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  You keep us going.
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  As Brad knows about that, so that's a nice transition into my next question.
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  You do cases for free, which is almost unheard of.
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  And how other than you just had a gala, a fundraiser, how else, I know you get donations.
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  How else do you get funded, Brad?
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  Yeah, moms and dads, grandmas and grandpas that do what you were just describing as this
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  sport is on a monthly basis or one-time basis, tax deductible donation, that's the bulk
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  of it right there.
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  Now, we get some wins on some cases that are helpful, but the overall majority of it since
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  we do all our work without charge, and over 90% of our cases we get resolved without litigation.
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  It comes from moms and dads and grandmas and grandpas and some churches also that are
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  growingly, increasingly adding us to their support bases.
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  They see the fruits of our work for furthering God's kingdom.
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  But I also just want to say, David, personally, you didn't ask me to say this, but what you're
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  doing is so valuable.
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  Getting out truth is something we cannot count on the world today to do for us.
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  We have to make it an initiative to listen to podcasts like yours, and I just want to
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  strongly encourage people to get behind and support what you're doing.
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  Also, I want to let you know, I think you said, Green Bay, Wisconsin, we have an office
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  very strong, powerful office there in Wisconsin serving the people there along with places
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  all across the country, and we love to serve you and your audience in any way we can't
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  always without charge.
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  Thank you, Brad.
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  We really, really appreciate it very much, and yeah, the biblical worldview and biblical
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  literacy is declining.
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  In the church in America, and we're just confronted with such a dark time, but we've got
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  to fight and continue to speak the truth, regardless of the consequences, and so that's
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  why we're trying to encourage, equip, because a lot of pastors across the country aren't
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  doing a great job of equipping, but that's where the rest of us come in.
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  So, Brad, you mentioned you're in Phoenix, you've got an office in Phoenix, and you work
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  with Turning Point USA, tell us a little bit about that.
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  Oh, you bet.
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  So, Turning Point USA, about three years ago, I attended a gathering, a special gathering
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  they had, and I took the assistant aside from Charlie Kirk, Jake, and talked to him, and
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  I said, Jake, let me tell you how I think we can help you guys at Turning Point.
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  How Pacific Justice can assist you in multiple ways, both in terms of legal, media, promotion,
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  counsel, et cetera, and one of the things that we promised was that we will represent
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  every single one of our chapters without charge.
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  To get any pushback anywhere, whether it's a public high school or a university college,
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  they can come to us, and we've got the bandwidth.
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  We've got the footprint across the country to do exactly that.
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  So, we're representing them without charge, and at the big event they're having December,
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  this will be our third year, where they will put up a big, free commercial to the 20,000
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  students there, letting them know about Pacific Justice and how they can call us, how we've
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  got their back, and I'm also doing a big breakout session where I get to show the gospel at
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  the end of it on students' rights and challenging institutions and, you know, schools.
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  So it's going to be a fantastic event.
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  We also have a media booth, another promotional booth, and we have just a wonderful, very
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  tight partnership with Turning Point USA.
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  Well, now since Charlie Kirk's passing, they've been flooded.
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  As you know, David, they've been flooded with people, students saying, you know, for such
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  a time as this, count me in, count me in, I want to start a chapter.
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  Many times more than what they have now.
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  We affirm recently said, look, we are still committed.
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  We will still defend every single one of these new chapters, wherever they are.
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  We've got the attorneys, our attorneys are all hands on deck as we speak to go to bat
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  for them.
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  And it's a real joint pleasure now pushed up as we do with such joy ministries like Turning
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  Point USA.
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  Man, the college campus is one environment where you can see the spiritual warfare at work.
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  I mean, it's almost in your face, obvious, and not just what happened to Charlie Kirk,
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  but just the lack, the intolerance of the biblical worldview of free speech.
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  And so I'm so glad that there's more chapters and it's just off the charts, the growth.
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  But anyway, let's get back to one more more question I'd ask you said, before we got
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  on the podcast, you mentioned a Washington case involving a transgender, can you tell us
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  about that one?
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  Oh, you bet.
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  It's a really interesting situation where it's a woman's Korean spot or Korean woman spot,
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  where it's only women are allowed is because the Korean spot, you don't wear any clothes.
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  It's just the culture, that's how the way it is.
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  And it's run by Korean Christians, committed Christians.
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  Well, they're informed and told that they have to, whether they like it or not, they
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  have to allow this man, a biological man with biological parts to go into there and be
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  naked in front of the women and look at the naked women and their naked teenage daughters.
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  I mean, very specific because we need to, I don't want to skirt what we're dealing
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  with here.
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  It's sick.
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  It's evil.
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  It's perverted.
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  And so we have Pacific justice.
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  So the state of Washington, their human rights commission, this is once again going back
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  to George Rolwell's 1984 where it means the opposite.
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  Human rights commission has ordered them to be shut down because they refused to allow
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  this man to be naked in front of naked women and naked girls.
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  It's a sick, evil government in the state of Washington, the legislatures, their courts.
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  So we have filed a lawsuit.
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  We did not prove it on a lower court, surprisingly, but we're taking up on appeal and we're going
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  to take it always to the Supreme Court if necessary.
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  It's a great case though, from a legal perspective, the extent to which business owners have
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  to grotesquely violate their conscience and beliefs for something like this.
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  And I'm just going to hopefully get in this case for the Supreme Court.
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  So before we run out of time, there's very important tab on your website labeled Church
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  Initiatives.
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  And you click on that and you guys, we're beating the same drum, Brad Dacus, trying to
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  equip the church to engage in the culture, civic stewardship and vote with biblical values.
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  Oh my goodness, we dropped the ball on this 100 years ago or 50 years ago, but now we
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  are here for such a time as this.
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  Tell us about that initiative.
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  You bet.
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  So we have our litigation division, our legislative division, and then we have our church engagement
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  division, one of the division where we list last election or election before last.
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  We had to over almost 900 churches to do voter registration Sundays, voter registration
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  Sunday, most of them for the first time ever.
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  The election before that was 512, the election before that was 321.
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  So you see this, there's this upward trend.
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  And we are here to equip every church there in Wisconsin, wherever it is, with all the
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  specifics on how they can have their voice for it, how they can register their voters.
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  But even more than that, their freedoms and liberties is particularly dealing with some
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  of the new legal breakthroughs with regard to the IRS on how they can express their opinion,
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  even behind the pulpit with regards to candidates issues, initiatives, legislation.
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  It's a great time we live in, but pastors need to be equipped with what to do and be
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  assured of that we at PGR here to cover their backs and represent them without charge
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  all the way with all our offices across the country and we're able to do it.
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  And it's a great time and we love to power and equip everywhere we can churches and
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  the like.
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  So it says on that page in 2021, PJI launched the Pastor Liaison program, so important
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  that pastors know they have somewhere to go if they run into a lawsuit or intolerance
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  of their faith.
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  And so this is very important, friends.
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  Brad, we've got a minute and a half, just the state of America, we've changed so much
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  over the decades and it's gotten darker.
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  But Christians are the light, or at least we're supposed to be the light of the world,
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  the light of culture, salt and light.
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  Share what's on your heart and whatever you'd like to in the last minute or so.
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  Thank you.
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  Without question, we have seen the darkest of the darkest in our nation's history in
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  recently, particularly during the last administration, the emboldeness of evil, the oppression
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  of Christians, silencing of Christians.
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  It was very dark just a year ago.
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  And yet things are turning around dramatically, not just in terms of policy, legislation
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  and wonderful court decisions that I would have could only have dreamt of a number of
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  years ago, but also spiritual revival is taking place.
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  Yes.
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  We're seeing it.
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  It's indisputable.
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  People don't realize this, but the baby boom generation, my generation, we go to church
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  less than millennials.
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  Millennials go to church less than Gen Z's, Gen Z's 1824 year olds are attending church
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  more than their parents.
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  This is not heard of.
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  Yeah.
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  This is historic.
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  And we're seeing it particularly among young men are coming to Christ.
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  They're becoming followers of Christ and we at PGR are delighted that we are equipped by
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  God's grace to defend them, to empower them, to take the next hill for the kingdom and
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  to be able to share their faith and live their faith with the love of Christ.
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  So it's an exciting time and we look forward to equipping churches and ministries across
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  the country without charge.
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  Praise God.
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  We're so thankful for Pacific Justice Institute and your time today and fighting this battle
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  together.
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  Brother, Lord willing, we'll do this again.
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  Thank you.
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  Thank you.
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  God bless you friends and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.