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HELL ON WHEELS MACKENZIE SHIRILLA KILLS 2 MEN, DIVA DEMANDS BEHIND BARS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Tonight hell On Will's Mackenzie Shirrilla kills two men and
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  Speaker 1: now has the gall to make diva demands from behind bars.
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  Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is crime stories. I want to
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Mackenzie Shrilla kills two
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  Speaker 1: young men.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: One of the two victims dies instantly, the other does not.
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  Speaker 3: Mackenzie Sharrilla was never unconscious, was never unconscious at the hospital.
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  Speaker 2: It's completely shattered. I can't even put into words how
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  Speaker 2: tragic this has been for our entire family.
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  Speaker 1: They're dead, and hell On Wills Sharrilla is alive and
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  Speaker 1: making diva demands from behind bars. She insists on being
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  Speaker 1: the queen of the jailhouse. I want you to hear
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  Speaker 1: Mackenzie Shrilla caught on tape both.
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  Speaker 4: I know, but how am I going to make this
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  Speaker 4: one book stretch? You may have to read it a
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  Speaker 4: couple of times.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not reading the same book over and over and
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  Speaker 5: over and over again.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, Kezzy, I don't know. This is just
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  Speaker 4: this super super sucks. I I guess. I mean they
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  Speaker 4: should have like when you come, they should be able
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  Speaker 4: to give you like a a like a welcome, not
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  Speaker 4: a welcome thing, but like you're new, it's going to
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  Speaker 4: take a week to get your commissary.
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  Speaker 1: Here's some a welcome basket at the Big Dollhouse the
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  Speaker 1: women see. I need to hear that again. Did she
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  Speaker 1: actually say she deserved a welcome Basketuld you please play
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  Speaker 1: that again?
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  Speaker 6: I know?
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  Speaker 5: But how am I going to make this one book stretch?
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  Speaker 4: You may have to read it the times.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not reading the same book over and over and
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  Speaker 5: over and over again.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, Kezy, I don't know. This is just
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  Speaker 4: this super super suck.
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  Speaker 1: I guess.
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  Speaker 4: I mean they should have like when you come, they
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  Speaker 4: should be able to give you like a like a
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  Speaker 4: welcome not a welcome thing, but like you're new, it's
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  Speaker 4: going to take a week to get your commisary. Here's some.
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  Speaker 1: What does she think? This is? Doctor Bethany Marshall, the Mandarin,
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  Speaker 1: the Four Seasons, the Ritz Carlton. What does she want
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  Speaker 1: a SPA package when she checks into the CI Correctional
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  Speaker 1: Institute for killing two young, very young men. What she's
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  Speaker 1: whining about having to read the same book.
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  Speaker 6: I think she needs a glass of champagne to go
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  Speaker 6: along with her snack basket, and maybe some movies to
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  Speaker 6: watch while she's out it. You know, Nancy, this fits
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  Speaker 6: the profile of sociopathy or what we call cluster b personality.
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  Speaker 6: Cluster is when you have narcissism, sociopathy, and borderline altogether
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  Speaker 6: in one person. And this is the kind of person
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  Speaker 6: who would get dysregulated and smash her car at one
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  Speaker 6: hundred miles per hour into a wall. This is the
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  Speaker 6: kind of person who would be self centered, who would
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  Speaker 6: only think about herself. But what's interesting to me, Nancy,
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  Speaker 6: her mother has no moral compass. The mother says, this sucks.
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  Speaker 6: What the mother needs to say is, sweetie, you're going
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  Speaker 6: to be here the rest of your life. There are
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  Speaker 6: no there's no champagne, there's no welcome basket, and you're
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  Speaker 6: going to have to read that book again and again.
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  Speaker 6: I think her mother needs to give her the Bible.
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  Speaker 6: I think that's the book she needs to read, and
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  Speaker 6: she needs to stretch that one out as long as possible.
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  Speaker 1: A welcome basket, whining, whining that she only has one
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  Speaker 1: book so far. But that's not all.
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  Speaker 5: Listen, we need to just figure out this iPad like
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  Speaker 5: as I'm so real.
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  Speaker 4: And my visitation is still pending for my video visits
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  Speaker 4: and there's no They're just that they'll contact me when
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  Speaker 4: I'm approved. So and I get all my friends to
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  Speaker 4: make them too. I did. I sent it to everybody. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: this is gonna suck n so you can get your.
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  Speaker 5: Like, it's only three thirty. How is it only three thirty?
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  Speaker 3: For real?
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  Speaker 5: I did not even know it was only three thirty.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I was like five, it's three thirty, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: The two victims are dead. They're not going to get
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  Speaker 1: to read a book. They're not going to get to
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  Speaker 1: look at an iPad. They're not going to get to
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  Speaker 1: check the watch to see what time it is. Like
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  Speaker 1: she is no David demands for them. Their families are
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  Speaker 1: in intense pain. The victims were very, very young at
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  Speaker 1: the beginning of their lives, and their only mistake was
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  Speaker 1: being friends with hell On Wills Mackenzie Sherrilla. Let's just
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  Speaker 1: have a little reality check joining me. Doctor Kendall Crowns.
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  Speaker 1: He is the chief medical examiner out of Fort Worth, Texas.
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  Speaker 1: Never a lack of business. He is the star of
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  Speaker 1: a hit podcast which I put on Loop before when
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  Speaker 1: I'm driving Mayhem in the Morgue. He is the esteemed
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  Speaker 1: lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU. Doctor
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  Speaker 1: Kendall crowns before I listen to her whiny voice complaining
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  Speaker 1: about not having an iPad and only being given one
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  Speaker 1: book and enlisting all of her friends. They probably won't
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  Speaker 1: touch her with a ten foot poll to write the
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  Speaker 1: prison or get involved with some crusade to get her
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  Speaker 1: more amusements behind bars? Can we talk about what happened
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  Speaker 1: to the two victims? How did they die?
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  Speaker 2: So?
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  Speaker 7: She drove a car at a brick wall or a
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  Speaker 7: concrete wall at one hundred miles per hour and slammed
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  Speaker 7: into it basically head on, but angling it a little
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  Speaker 7: bit so that the passenger side hit, which is probably
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  Speaker 7: why she survived. So the thing is is what happened
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  Speaker 7: to them? Well, it's kind of dependent on if they
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  Speaker 7: have on seatbelts or not. At that high of a speed,
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  Speaker 7: seat belts and airbag air bags will deploy, but the
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  Speaker 7: seat belts can actually slip up and cause damage. It
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  Speaker 7: can fracture your collar bone, confracture ribs, it can fracture
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  Speaker 7: your pelvis, and if you slight enough, it can also
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  Speaker 7: take your head off. The rear seat passenger evidently landed
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  Speaker 7: on top of the front seat passenger. So they hit
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  Speaker 7: this wall at this high rate of speed, they're going
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  Speaker 7: to go forward into the dash. They're going to get
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  Speaker 7: massive skull fracturing. Often it's deforming where the entire skull fractures,
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  Speaker 7: the skin split so when in the brain comes out,
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  Speaker 7: and then they're gonna get multiple rib fractures, tearing of
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  Speaker 7: the la or lacerations that alungs, the heart and then
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  Speaker 7: the liver and and bladder as well spleen kidneys. It's
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  Speaker 7: all that force going into your body, and then if
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  Speaker 7: you brace yourself at all, it will fracture your femurs,
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  Speaker 7: causing your legs to fold up back into your body,
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  Speaker 7: and it'll also shatter and sever your spine as well.
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  Speaker 7: So there's a myriad of injuries caused by a high
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  Speaker 7: speed head on blunt force injury car crash.
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  Speaker 3: And yet she.
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  Speaker 1: Says, and she's caught on tape stating quote, I'm annoyed, listen,
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  Speaker 1: we need.
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  Speaker 4: To just figure out this iPad like asif like, and
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  Speaker 4: and my visitation is still pending for my video visits,
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  Speaker 4: and there's no there, just that they'll contact me when
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  Speaker 4: I'm approusing.
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  Speaker 5: So I get all my friends to make them too.
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  Speaker 8: I did.
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  Speaker 4: I sent it to everybody. Yeah, this is gonna suck
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  Speaker 4: until you can get your.
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  Speaker 5: Like, it's only three thirty. How is it only three thirty?
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  Speaker 5: For real? I did not even know it was only
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  Speaker 5: three thirty.
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  Speaker 4: It was like five, it's three thirty.
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  Speaker 1: Do they not know they're being recorded? So not only
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  Speaker 1: is she demanding an iPad and complaining about the one book,
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  Speaker 1: claiming she's quote annoyed. Did you just hear what doctor
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  Speaker 1: Kendall Crown's described happened to the victims? Their brain coming
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  Speaker 1: out of their skull. And that's what their families get
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  Speaker 1: to think about before they go to bed at night,
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  Speaker 1: when they put their head on their pillow, they think
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  Speaker 1: about their son with his skull cracked open. And she's annoyed.
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  Speaker 1: Oh but there's more now, she says, I'm just so irritated.
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  Speaker 5: Listen, Yeah, I'm so irritated.
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  Speaker 4: Like I just need a book, like anything, anything, cards
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  Speaker 4: a book? Yeah right, anything would be great, And you
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  Speaker 4: shouldn't make just wait that long to get your commentario.
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  Speaker 4: If that's the case, you know, give me a pad
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  Speaker 4: of paper and a pen for in you know, intro.
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  Speaker 4: And then when I get my commentary, I'll give it back,
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  Speaker 4: but it is what it is. There is not what
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  Speaker 4: we could do about it. But it's really bad and
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry makes the person go crazy.
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  Speaker 5: Good literally like it's like there's nothing for me to
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  Speaker 5: do and nothing.
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  Speaker 1: How about do something volunteering? How about do something, do
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  Speaker 1: better yourself and help other people, not hurt them as
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  Speaker 1: you have already done. Evidence shows that she threatened to
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  Speaker 1: kill the boyfriend. At first, this was thought to be
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  Speaker 1: an accident, but then evidence revealed she never took her
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  Speaker 1: foot off the gas. She wanted to kill him and
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  Speaker 1: she whoa and she did? That was her zooming buy.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, let's go straight out to veteran trial
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  Speaker 1: lawyer John Mobley, founder of the Mobley Law firm Mobley
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  Speaker 1: did you hear did you hear the mom say?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: And you shouldn't have to wait for so long to
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  Speaker 1: get these things from the commissary? Oh oh, oh bad commissary?
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  Speaker 1: What is wrong with these people?
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  Speaker 8: Well, Nancy, you know, I've got to call it like
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  Speaker 8: I see it, you know, from a legal standpoint, despite
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  Speaker 8: this young lady's behavior, do you.
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  Speaker 1: Start every explanation with I've got to call it like
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  Speaker 1: I see it. Of course you're gonna call it like
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  Speaker 1: you see it is somebody paying you or or convincing
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  Speaker 1: you or threatening you to say anything other than call
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  Speaker 1: it like I see it. Okay. That said, moving forward,
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  Speaker 1: going forward, Mobley, We're gonna assume you're calling it like
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  Speaker 1: you see it, okay, So no need to preface everything
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  Speaker 1: with I'm gonna call it like I see it. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Not to be repetitive, but please John, call
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  Speaker 1: it like you see it.
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  Speaker 8: Actually feels kind of threatened right now. But I will
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  Speaker 8: say that I do believe that this young lady's attorneys
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  Speaker 8: and parents have done her disservice just based on her
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  Speaker 8: history of unstable behavior. I mean, that's just documented. And
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  Speaker 8: when you look at her behavior while she's in the
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  Speaker 8: prisons system, it is very clear that this young lady
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  Speaker 8: has undiagnosed, untreated mental health issues. And when I review
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  Speaker 8: the history of this case and look at the defenses
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  Speaker 8: that were presented in the first trial, and even looking
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  Speaker 8: at the claims being made by her new attorneys that
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  Speaker 8: are claiming effective assist the council, I don't see anywhere
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  Speaker 8: her attorneys addressing her mental health issues. And I do
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  Speaker 8: believe again, that this young lady's behavior is screaming that
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  Speaker 8: she has severe mental health issues to which she needs counseling,
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  Speaker 8: therapy and problem medication.
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  Speaker 1: What she has severe?
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  Speaker 8: What mental health issues?
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  Speaker 1: What mental health? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: You know what?
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  Speaker 1: Guess what, Mobley? Isn't it true? You have a JD
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  Speaker 1: A juris doctorate. That's a yes?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 1: Is that true?
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  Speaker 8: That's correct?
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  Speaker 1: Okay? Are you a trained mental health caregiver?
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  Speaker 8: I'm a train defense attorney and I can identify them
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  Speaker 8: to defending to commit conduct have mental health here?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna have to cut or Mike right there
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  Speaker 1: that said, let's go to a real mental health care giver.
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  Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall. Now we just heard Mobley give his
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  Speaker 1: unsolicited medical opinion. And unless you got a jd MD,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to hear that coming out of your mouth. Mobley.
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  Speaker 1: Now the law, Yes, doctor Bethany a severe mental health illness.
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  Speaker 1: Don't you think her defense lawyers if she had a
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  Speaker 1: mental health defect, they would have written it on a
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  Speaker 1: banner and driven it up and down Fifth Avenue that
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  Speaker 1: she had a mental defect. But they didn't. Why didn't they?
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  Speaker 1: And you know they would have because that could have
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  Speaker 1: been a viable defense, but there wasn't. And I know you,
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  Speaker 1: John Mobley, you would have tilled that earth over and
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  Speaker 1: over until you dug up a little rock of mental defect,
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  Speaker 1: and you would have heralded it up and now the
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  Speaker 1: courthouse halls, but they didn't. Bethany, she's got a defect,
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  Speaker 1: all right. It's called narcissistic histrionic translation drama queen.
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  Speaker 6: Yes she does, Nancy, she does not have any type
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  Speaker 6: of mental disorder. She looks very intact to me. She's articulate,
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  Speaker 6: she's manipulative. You know, when you hear her talking to
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  Speaker 6: her mother, she's making her mother feel sorry for her.
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  Speaker 6: She's drawing her mother in as a sympathetic person. But
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  Speaker 6: she does have your right of personality disorder. As I
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  Speaker 6: said earlier, Cluster b I like histrionic, that's true, very dramatic.
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  Speaker 6: Histrionic is when a person has rapidly shifting emotions that
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  Speaker 6: appear deep in nature, but they're not deep at all.
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  Speaker 6: They're just designed to get attention. She wants as much attention,
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  Speaker 6: not just from her mother, but all of her friends.
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  Speaker 6: So her mother's going to pass this video link around
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  Speaker 6: to all of her friends.
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  Speaker 4: You know who.
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  Speaker 6: It reminds me of Nancy. Remember how Casey Anthony spoke
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  Speaker 6: with her mom. Remember how she whined, she pushed, she begs,
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  Speaker 6: she manipulated, and you know she wanted her mother to
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  Speaker 6: reach out to her boyfriend. Remember that, trying to remember
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  Speaker 6: the name of the boyfriend. And the mother was just
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  Speaker 6: overwhelmed with the daughter did not even know.
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  Speaker 9: What to do with her.
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  Speaker 1: John Lobley, Doctor Bethany Marshall is there, renounced psychoanalyst with
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  Speaker 1: mental health training. Unlike you or me, but you've dealt
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  Speaker 1: with enough defendants to know somehow it's always me me, me, me, me, me,
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  Speaker 1: me me. And you hear her bossing her mom around,
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  Speaker 1: telling the mom what to do, narcissistic history on those
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  Speaker 1: are defects, true, but they do not rise to a
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  Speaker 1: mental defect or insanity under the law. I'm going out
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  Speaker 1: on a limb here, and I'm trusting you, Moubley, because
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  Speaker 1: I happen to know your trial record. It's very impressive.
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  Speaker 1: You win a lot of cases, you make a lot
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  Speaker 1: of great settlements. You know the law. This does not
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  Speaker 1: rise to insanity.
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  Speaker 8: And I want to be clear on something. And by
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  Speaker 8: the way, I do agree with her statement that the
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  Speaker 8: parents are part of the problem and they enable her
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  Speaker 8: with their behavior. But I want to be clear that
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  Speaker 8: I'm distinguishing between mental defect and disease, which would amount
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  Speaker 8: to legal insanity versus mental health issues with respective mitigation.
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  Speaker 8: I do not believe that she was legally insane under
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  Speaker 8: any law of any state. Okay, I do not believe that.
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  Speaker 8: I do believe that she has mental health issues that
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  Speaker 8: were untreated, undiagnosed, and probably contribute to her conduct. And
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  Speaker 8: I believe that if those issues are not a drifted
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  Speaker 8: by proper evaluation, then they could not have been presented
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  Speaker 8: to the corporate mitigation and senticing, and she cannot. She's
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  Speaker 8: not receiving treatment for it in prison, so you are correct.
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  Speaker 8: She will serve her prison sentence well that receiving any
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  Speaker 8: appropriate treatment and get out until welch Mobbley talking.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, I'm flipping through the DSM. You know what
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  Speaker 1: that is because of all your mental defect defenses. You've
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  Speaker 1: tried to put up the Diagnostic Statistic Manual for Mental disorders.
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  Speaker 1: It's now in the fifth edition. I believe I'm looking through.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I found it. Here's her picture, spoiled brat syndrome. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there she is. They've got her picture. Spoiled bratt ooh ooh.
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  Speaker 1: I'd love you to raise that defense with me as
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  Speaker 1: a prosecutor. I would be so happy. I would be
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  Speaker 1: parading up in front of that jury with that DSM
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  Speaker 1: in my hand and make themory to put it up
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  Speaker 1: on a slide for them to have to look out,
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  Speaker 1: and even turn the lights off so there's nowhere to
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  Speaker 1: look but up on the slide. About what is a
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  Speaker 1: spoiled brat defense? You know, we saw it before with
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  Speaker 1: Ethan Couch, the AFFLUENTZA defense. He's just so rich and affluent.
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  Speaker 1: He can't be held guilty because he just didn't know
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  Speaker 1: any better, you know what. Joel Walman joining me, co
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  Speaker 1: host and star of Surviving The Survivor, Joel Walman. Do
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  Speaker 1: you hear John Mobley state that she has a male defect?
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  Speaker 1: Could you tell us what really happened? Nancy?
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  Speaker 3: I did hear that, And I don't owe John personally,
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  Speaker 3: but he's just the criminal defense attorneys have a job
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  Speaker 3: to do, and I respect that job immensely. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I've been in broadcast journalism for thirty years and I'm
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  Speaker 3: an observer of people and I just see this as
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  Speaker 3: an absolute tsunami of dysfunction, and Nancy, I'm not saying this.
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  Speaker 3: He don't yell at me, but I am one hundred
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  Speaker 3: percent of agreeing with you. I'm the son of a psychiatrist,
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  Speaker 3: the son of a social worker, and to me, the
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  Speaker 3: diagnosis here is a spoiled brat on steroids. She just
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  Speaker 3: doesn't know, doesn't have the maturity level as to the
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  Speaker 3: seriousness and the gravity of what she committed here, what
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  Speaker 3: she has done here. And then you add into the
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  Speaker 3: mix here the ingredient that the mother and the father
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  Speaker 3: here are complete enablers, her enablers. They are not stopping
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  Speaker 3: her and saying, Mackenzie, you are the one responsible for this.
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  Speaker 3: They are ooing and eyeing her, and it is just
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  Speaker 3: like pouring salt in the wound. She needs a reality
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  Speaker 3: check because she is not getting out of prison anything.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa? Wait, every stop everything, screech halt.
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  Speaker 1: Joel Wallman, star co host of Surviving a Survivor. Do
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  Speaker 1: I have this right? Did hell on wheels, miss Thing
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  Speaker 1: Mackenzie Shrilla expose her breast to a jailhouse visitor? You
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  Speaker 1: have that right?
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  Speaker 3: And This is where it's also a kind of a
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  Speaker 3: tornado of confusion here, because on the one hand, you
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  Speaker 3: have these calls where she is bored to death in jail.
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  Speaker 3: I can't believe it is only three thirty. It's supposed
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  Speaker 3: to be five. And on the flip side, it seems
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: like she's having the time of her life. She's got
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: men who are reaching out to her, she has lesbian
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: relationships going on. I mean, the mother was asked about,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: how do you feel you know that your daughter is
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: having these lesbian relationship in prison, and her response was,
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: she's in her twenties, you know. I mean, this is
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: where the insanity is coming from. It is coming from
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: the top down, just like in a corporate America. You've
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: got a nutty boss or a CEO, and the culture
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: is gonna be odd.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Wellman, you think I care if she's gay, I don't care.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: All I care about are those two dead bodies. Did
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: you not hear Kendle Crowns. Excuse me, Candle Crowns, doctor
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Kendle Crowns, Chief medical Examiner Arren County. He's seen a
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: thing or Twope. Did you not hear him talk about
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: the brains coming through the skull. I don't want to
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: hear about she had a lesbian relationship. Don't care whatever.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I care about the two dead young men. I care
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: about their families who are sick to their stomachs every
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: morning when they wake up, every night when they go
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: to bed. How many tears their pillows are wet because
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: of Shrilla. I go give a flying fig who she's
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: sleeping with behind bars? I feel sorry for the partner,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: But the exposing of her breasts in the jailhouse to
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: a visitor, I want to hear about that. And what
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: can you tell me Walman about thirty six tickets behind bars?
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean this is one of like you said,
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: thirty six tickets and fractions in prison. One of them
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: is having I guess, alleged tablet sex. For lack of
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: a better phrase, I don't know what the kids are
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: calling it these days, but yeah, she's had.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: What did you just say, alleged tablet sex? I don't
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: think that's what it's referred to, but just going.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so some of this is going on, and apparently
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: she and a female partner. The female partner was seen
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: on camera as Theckenzie Shirrilla was I believe she you know,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: pleaded guilty in that particular infraction, and then she's got,
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: you know, a forty six year old guy who reached
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: out here. I'm wondering who that forty six year old
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: person is who's interested in a twenty one year old
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: who's gonna be spending many years behind bars. But I mean,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: the point I raised earlier is just confusing. Is on
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: the one hand, she's whining and complaining to her mom
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: about how bad prison life is, and then she's having
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: you know, enjoyment on the on the flip side, So
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: the public image that they are creating is not one
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: of good optics, and that's really what I think the
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: family needs to be focused on.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Hey guys, I'm hearing in my ear We are now
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: joined by Cheyenne Topping. This is Sherrilla's girlfriend behind, and
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: also Christine Russo is joining us. This is the victim
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: one of them, Dominic Russo's sister. She is the host
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: of the Big Sister Unhinged podcast and she's trying to
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: keep the legacy of her brother's life alive. You know what, Christine,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I respect that so much. I did something in another
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: way to keep the memory of my fiance who was
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: murdered alive to help other people because in a way,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: you know, it keeps me connected to him, and the
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: thought of just forgetting about what happened is well, I
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: can't do that. It changed my whole life, as it
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: has yours. When you hear her whining to the mother
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: who totally empowers her, that she can't get an iPad
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: fast enough and she doesn't have enough amusements, amusements behind bars,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: exposing her breast to a visitor. She's not worried at
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: all about dominic or what happened.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: No, that's and I really appreciate you bringing to light
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: and exposing her and everybody in that you know that
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: has anything to do with her. I appreciate you helping
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: our family bring that to light and exposing them for
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: who they are. They've done a pretty good job, I
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: think of exposing themselves. As you can hear what's going on,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: but I try to stay away as best as I can,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: you know, scrolling through social media's and stuff, I can't
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: stand looking at her face, the whining behind prison bars.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: It's like she's not getting there is no punishment. It
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: seems like, yeah, she's in jail, but she seems to
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: be having a great time in jail, and that's where
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: it's infuriating.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Listen to McKinsey Shirrilla up behind.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: Bars, rumor mill is strong, Okay, damn strong, though people
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: are so sad and depressing, like they really have like nothing,
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: like credible nothing. This is the status towns, like open up.
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: My courtroom for like the whole city to come and
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: just like last yeam at all.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: And like don't block anything, right right, that's all on
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: the news.
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: That's why I was hoping this one was going to
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: be live streamed, but it wasn't. It was No, the
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: end was, but not the whole thing. Just what the
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: judge says was live stream. But I was hoping the
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: whole thing would have done but it wasn't. So that's okay,
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: who cares, We're so stupid, Sony's Yeah. I just can't
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: wait for them to like maybe have so much explaining
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: to do, Like there's so many like audanswering questions out
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: of the.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: They have so much explaining to Dave and joining me now.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: In addition to Christine Russo, who is dominant older sister,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: her podcast is the Big Sister Unhinged podcast sh Topping,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: who is intimately familiar with the goings on behind bars
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: with Mackenzie Shriilla. The diva demands are insane, Cheyenne, And
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: now she's complaining her entire trial was not live stream,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: just the end. What is wrong with her?
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 25:22
  Speaker 10: Yeah, that definitely sounds like McKenzie because she is a
• 25:26
  Speaker 10: person that is like very self absorbed. So I'm not
• 25:29
  Speaker 10: even surprised to hear that conversation coming from her and
• 25:32
  Speaker 10: her mom.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Honestly, the diva demands seemingly have no end. She's gotten
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: thirty six tickets behind bars? What is a ticket? How
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: do you get a ticket behind bars? Cheyenne Topping.
• 25:46
  Speaker 10: So I took it as a rule infraction. So have
• 25:49
  Speaker 10: you bread one of the rules, which I gave you
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: a handbook when you come in, when you very come in,
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: and if you break one of those, it's basically court
• 25:58
  Speaker 10: inside of prison. So your girl in front of the sergeant.
• 26:01
  Speaker 10: He'll read you your ticket, which could be like an
• 26:04
  Speaker 10: out of place or as y'all see, she has like
• 26:07
  Speaker 10: sex tickets. That's where you're like intimate with another inmate.
• 26:11
  Speaker 10: So you're go in front of the sergeant. He'll read
• 26:13
  Speaker 10: it and then ask you guilty or not guilty, and
• 26:17
  Speaker 10: if you're guilty, and if it's a high enough ticket,
• 26:19
  Speaker 10: you go to the whole. If not, you get like
• 26:22
  Speaker 10: tablet restriction or early bed stuff stuff like that.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: You know, did she seem to care when she would
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: be reprimanded or get a ticket as it is called
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: behind bars?
• 26:37
  Speaker 10: When I was in there with her, she really did
• 26:39
  Speaker 10: care about getting tickets. She did not want to get
• 26:42
  Speaker 10: tickets because she firmly believed she was going home on
• 26:45
  Speaker 10: her appeal. So now that all this is coming out,
• 26:49
  Speaker 10: I'm not surprised because she did start showing her true
• 26:52
  Speaker 10: character and I could tell she's gonna be on a
• 26:54
  Speaker 10: path to destruction, honestly.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: More Mackenzie Shrilla akaa l on wheels caught on tape.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: I think that's why this is so popular because it's
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: it's a mystery, but it's not it is you know
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: what I mean?
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: I mean, like, can you like get a hypnotized person
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: in the otion, like make me remember?
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: Like that's what I would like. Yeah, I know, I
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: know me too, honey, cause.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: You said also broke your This guy is so big
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: a lemeo. Like I watched the live stream in when
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: you walked in.
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: I was like, damn, Jay said the same thing, and
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: you look really good.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: Did you get that off your arm yet?
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: I know if you weren't wearing your arm thing. Also,
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: I will make sure to answer your calls.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: You and everybody's saying, you've got a mumpy little booty
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: now everybody I said.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Hashtagtag fat booty, hashtag sick girl vibe, hashtag fat booty. Okay,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Chyenne topping you dated her behind bars for nearly a year.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: She's worried or bragging. She's not worried. She's bragging about
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: her ass and how it looked on camera.
• 28:09
  Speaker 10: Mackenzie is just a whole nother, whole nother world when
• 28:13
  Speaker 10: it comes to the attention, positive or negative, she loves
• 28:17
  Speaker 10: it all.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what it's for.
• 28:19
  Speaker 10: Like she'd walk around and president ask people do you
• 28:21
  Speaker 10: want my autograph? Or ask the CEOs like do you
• 28:23
  Speaker 10: don't know who I am? I'm a viral.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Now we hear Mackenzie Shrilla aka hell On Wheels killed
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: two people intentionally found guilty talking about feeling sick to
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: her stomach. But she's not feeling sick to her stomach
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: because of what doctor Kendel Crowns just told us about
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: what happened to the victims. You know what, I'm not
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: going to tell you wait for it. Listen to this.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: I'm like sticking to my stomach. I just like it
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: just like bothered me what they said, Like I just
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: can't believe they would.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: Say that, like to I mean the military, Are you
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: for real?
• 29:02
  Speaker 10: My mom?
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: That's a lie?
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: That's a lie.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: Isn't that funny?
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: They were trying to say that so they can make
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: it sound like, well, I think he said that. So
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: like the judges like, oh, he sounds very respectable young man.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: And so they hit me head like I was like,
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: oh my god, are you kids?
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: Literally like made my tears stop when I said that, Like,
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: my tears just got all stocked.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: Right back up. I couldn't even believe it down. Would
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: you describe his frickerself?
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: So she is sick to her stomach, nauseated about how
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: she was portrayed. Joel Walman co host and start off
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Surviving the Survivor. I think her priorities are best Awkwards.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: One hundred percent. You know, I'm just thinking about all this,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: listening to all the guests, and I really literally cannot
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: wrap my head around it. I mean, you just saw
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: Jalen Brunson the Knicks one and they asked him afterwards,
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: what how do you feel? He said, I have no words.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: And that's kind of where I'm at right now now
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: as a journalist, because I've never seen anything like this.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: The only thing i can really come up with right now,
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: and I'm afraid to say this is Mackenzie Sharilla might
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: be the first of many that we see like this
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: because of social media. She is, you know, obviously the
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: TikTok generation and they're now becoming old enough to be incarcerated.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: And are all these people who are spending their entire
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: days streaming video of themselves, are they going to be
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: incarcerated one day? And wonder where are the live cams
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: because that's what we're seeing in real time right now
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: with Mackenzie Shirrilla. She is having a tantrum that she's
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: not getting the attention that she deserves that she used
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: to have on the outside when she was freely able
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: to take on.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: You know, another issue, John Mobley, if by some crazy
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: chance there is a new trial, you do know that
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: she is currently making any hope of a mental defense.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Mental defect defense are insanity impossible because there is no
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: right to privacy behind bars. These calls are rightfully and
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: legally recorded. I would bring in everyone and just play
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: them on a loop for the jury.
• 31:19
  Speaker 8: I agree. I'm I actually kind of surprised that she's
• 31:23
  Speaker 8: making these statements watch's behind bars, because any competent attorney
• 31:28
  Speaker 8: would tell someone not to do that. Because if you
• 31:31
  Speaker 8: are able to get a new trial, any post trial
• 31:33
  Speaker 8: statements you make, they're not you know, while you're in custody,
• 31:37
  Speaker 8: do not make the law enforcement a violation, Miranda. All
• 31:40
  Speaker 8: those steps can be used against you either a in
• 31:43
  Speaker 8: the prostitution's case in cheap or B a senigen And
• 31:46
  Speaker 8: I think you know, and quite frankly, it kind of
• 31:49
  Speaker 8: bitter in the behind the sentizen in the first case
• 31:51
  Speaker 8: because a lot of the social media posts she made
• 31:54
  Speaker 8: and comments she made were used at the sentence in
• 31:57
  Speaker 8: even by the prosecutors, because in the proct argument she
• 32:00
  Speaker 8: didn't have any morse or of conduct in which led
• 32:03
  Speaker 8: to her receiving a different sentence. And I think again
• 32:05
  Speaker 8: she just come from that point digging herself in the
• 32:07
  Speaker 8: hole deeper and deeper and deeper. If she doesn't get into.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Try listen to what Shirrilla's father has to say.
• 32:16
  Speaker 9: She has remorse, She was upset. If you would have
• 32:18
  Speaker 9: heard her when she found out that Dom died, if
• 32:20
  Speaker 9: you hauld have heard the sound that came out of her,
• 32:23
  Speaker 9: it would have crushed you. I know my daughter didn't
• 32:25
  Speaker 9: do it on purpose. I know when my daughter lies.
• 32:27
  Speaker 9: My daughter should have been charged with vehicular homicide two
• 32:30
  Speaker 9: counts and juvie Cordon and should have never left. The
• 32:33
  Speaker 9: juvenile judge took out the aggravated murder thing for the
• 32:37
  Speaker 9: same reason I'm saying they should have never charged her,
• 32:41
  Speaker 9: because there's there's no intent, there's no prior calculation, there's
• 32:45
  Speaker 9: no purpose. It's not there.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I actually feel bad for the dad. He is struggling
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: with the concept of intent to commit a crime. Intent
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: can be formed just like that, in the blink of
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: an eye, the twinkling of a moment, and the time
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: it takes you to pull a trigger. That's how fast
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: intent under the law can be formed. It does not
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: require a long thought out plan like poisoning someone over
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: weeks and months. It can be formed in the dime
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: it takes you to pull a trigger. So with her,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: as was proven in court, not taking her foot off
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: the gas. Let's see that video of her flying by
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: right there. There's intent there, you go crashing and killing
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: two people? Is time enough to form intent? Cheyenne Topping
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: joining us Shrilla's prison girlfriend for nearly a year. She
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: is trying everything possible to get a new trial, and
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: she's got both of her parents bamboozled. Does she know
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: she's got them wrapped around her little finger?
• 33:47
  Speaker 10: She one hundred percent knows that they're all on her
• 33:50
  Speaker 10: side and going to be wrapped around her finger. She
• 33:52
  Speaker 10: told me from in prison that they're all behind her,
• 33:56
  Speaker 10: and even lying, they told me diamonds them sister was
• 33:59
  Speaker 10: all behind her.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Care as Wow, straight out to Christine Rousseau, this is
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Dominic's older sister and star of the Big Sister Unhinged podcast.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: There is no remorse. Has she ever told you I'm sorry,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I didn't mean for this to happen.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: No, she never told me she was sorry. She acted
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: before she was arrested. She very much acted like it
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: was an accident. But there was a ton of lies
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: and you know her trying to cover up the entire time.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: But there was never responsibility taken or like an actual
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry whatsoever.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Back to doctor Kendall, Crown's renowned medical examiner. When you
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: hear all of these diva demands from behind bars, and
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: we know an appeal is in the works, could you
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: again a reality check, give us a reality check about
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: the victims cause of death or.
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: So the cause of deaths are blunt force injuries. All
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: these injuries, the skull fractures, the brain evulsion, the crushing
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: the chest, the explosion of their heart and lungs, liver,
• 35:16
  Speaker 7: even their intestines, all these combined together to make the
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: cause of death blunt force injuries. It's not a dramatic
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: cause of death, but it overlies the fact that they
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: have all these crushing injuries, fractures of the ribs, pelvis,
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: their legs, even their extremities, and then the crushing of
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: the head. So cause of death is blund force injuries.
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: And when you listen to all her demands, you know,
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: she just kind of sounds sad to me, but that's
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: my opinion.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Sad. She sounds like a self entitled, spoiled brat who
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: cares nothing about the fact that she killed two people
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: and threatened she would kill the boyfriend ahead of time,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: we wait as justice unfolds, and tonight we remember an
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: American here, Patrolman David Evans, San Antonio, PD, killed in
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: the line of duty after thirty years on the force,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: leaving behind a wife turned widow, Elizabeth, and children, the
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Three Jays, Jennifer, Jeffrey, and Julie. American hero Patrolman David Evans.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us, and a special thank
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: you to our guests Christine Russo in particular Dominic's sister
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Nancy Gray. Signing off for tonight, but I'll see you
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: tomorrow night, God willing, and until then, good night friend,