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The Late Debate | 11 August · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Well wait, well, good evening.
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  Speaker 2: I'm James Macpherson with the Nikka to Georgio and Caleb Bond,
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  Speaker 2: who was doing his grocery shopping this afternoon. Do you
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  Speaker 2: take your own bags, Caleb, or do you pay for
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  Speaker 2: the paper ones?
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  Speaker 3: If I have the foresight to take my own bags,
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  Speaker 3: I will, but sometimes I don't think that far ahead,
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  Speaker 3: and so I have to buy the paper ones.
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  Speaker 1: What do you do to Nika.
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  Speaker 4: I take my own bags, I know, always, again, like
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  Speaker 4: ninety five percent of the.
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  Speaker 5: Do you have them in the back of your car.
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  Speaker 6: I have one in the back of my car and
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  Speaker 6: too at home.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. See that's where I come a cropper. I don't
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  Speaker 3: have them in the car because I do a lot
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  Speaker 3: of just you know, I'll just walk up to the
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  Speaker 3: shop sort of, so I'll have bags at home. But
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  Speaker 3: then if I'm in the car, I stop off somewhere.
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  Speaker 3: I don't have the.
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  Speaker 6: Vands, James.
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  Speaker 2: Our local supermarket, they provide boxes. It's all all their
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  Speaker 2: excess boxes. They just have a pilot. Oh yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: so you just pile all your.
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  Speaker 1: Groceries into a box and you don't have to pay
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  Speaker 1: for them. You don't have to pay for it.
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  Speaker 6: That's actually a very good idea.
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  Speaker 1: All right, then let's get into the show. Is what's
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  Speaker 1: coming up tonight?
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  Speaker 2: The majority of Australians say the Albanezy government should ban
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  Speaker 2: social media companies from using algorithms to decide what we see.
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  Speaker 6: Online without our permission.
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  Speaker 2: Is this a sensible attempt to wrestle control back from
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  Speaker 2: big tech or just another opportunity for Canberra to interfere
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  Speaker 2: with our lives. Both One Nation and the LNP have
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  Speaker 2: stalls at this week's Brisbane Exhibition. And while they may
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  Speaker 2: both describe themselves as conservative, I'll tell you what their
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  Speaker 2: approach to the public is very different. Will compare and
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  Speaker 2: contrast the two parties at the Echo later in the show.
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  Speaker 2: And a Sydney council wants to make English compulsory on
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  Speaker 2: business signs. Good idea or just another council needlessly making
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  Speaker 2: other people's businesses it's business. We'll talk about all of
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  Speaker 2: that shortly, but first, there are growing calls for primary
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  Speaker 2: schools to ban or at least dramatically limit children's access
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  Speaker 2: to iPads and laptops. Many people fear the very technology
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  Speaker 2: we were told would revolutionize education may well be revolutionizing it.
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  Speaker 1: But entirely the wrong direction.
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  Speaker 2: Thousands of parents have signed a petition arguing that falling
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  Speaker 2: that plan results are at least in part due to
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  Speaker 2: an overalliance on technology in the classroom. They say the
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  Speaker 2: use of computers is hindering the development of foundational skills
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  Speaker 2: such as handwriting, numerously, comprehension, and concentration. Center for Independent
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  Speaker 2: Studies director of Education Research Blaze Joseph told journalists twenty
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  Speaker 2: years ago, there was all this excitement around technology and education,
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  Speaker 2: and everyone was saying, this is awesome. Kids are going
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  Speaker 2: to be so much more engaged. Well, all that has
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  Speaker 2: turned out to be wrong. It's exactly the opposite. It
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  Speaker 2: makes students less engaged in learning, and it makes it
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  Speaker 2: harder for them to concentrate.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 2: I think these parents make a very good point. If
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  Speaker 2: the great technological revolution in education has produced kids who
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  Speaker 2: are less able to concentrate, less engaged with learning, and
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  Speaker 2: less and more and more dependent on screens, maybe the
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  Speaker 2: revolutionary idea isn't giving them another iPad, it's taking the
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  Speaker 2: iPad away.
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  Speaker 1: Danika, I'm in favor of this.
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  Speaker 6: I actually am not in favor of this.
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  Speaker 4: I think that laptops or any sort of technology in
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  Speaker 4: the classroom is actually very important to equip children with
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  Speaker 4: digital literacy that they will need to take into their
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  Speaker 4: adult years when they do go to university, when they
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  Speaker 4: enter the workforce. When I was in school, I think
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  Speaker 4: we're about ten years old. I was in year five.
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  Speaker 6: We were either the first school in the.
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  Speaker 4: State or even maybe in the country to get laptops,
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  Speaker 4: so we had them very early on, and I felt
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  Speaker 4: like I was quite a whiz at using the computer
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  Speaker 4: back then because I did learn so many important skills.
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  Speaker 4: But what really carried it through and what I remember
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  Speaker 4: in particular throughout the high school years was what was
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  Speaker 4: valuable to me was learning how to use Excel, for example.
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  Speaker 4: So I think it actually equips you with what you
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  Speaker 4: will need for the future. There is one point that
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  Speaker 4: I will agree with with this author that the guy
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  Speaker 4: that you mentioned. He says there's a connection between actually
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  Speaker 4: handwriting something down and retaining it in our brain. When
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  Speaker 4: you physically write something down, you retain it and you
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  Speaker 4: can retrieve.
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  Speaker 6: It more with success.
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  Speaker 4: I think he is absolutely spot on the art of
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  Speaker 4: physically writing it out I think helps you commit it
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  Speaker 4: to memory. But the reality is we live in a
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  Speaker 4: technologically advanced world. We've got to get with the times,
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  Speaker 4: and that does include children in the classrooms.
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  Speaker 6: I actually think it can be a very very good resource.
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  Speaker 3: I think there are some things you can't unstitch. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think you'll ever completely remove a technology from the classroom,
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  Speaker 3: and indeed there is a place for technology in the classroom.
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  Speaker 3: But I think you can quite fairly say that we
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  Speaker 3: went too far on it. And all of these points
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  Speaker 3: are entirely correct about distraction and all this sort of thing.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I remember I was sort of in that
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  Speaker 3: generation of ten fifteen years ago in high.
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  Speaker 5: School where you were encouraged to.
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  Speaker 3: Bring your own laptop to school, and you know, it
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  Speaker 3: was basically the laptop is used in all facets of education,
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  Speaker 3: in every classroom, etc. And I can tell you that
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  Speaker 3: I was not always performing schoolwork on my laptop in
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  Speaker 3: the classroom.
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  Speaker 1: Don't say, you know, I hate to tell you.
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  Speaker 3: I hate to tell my teachers that I wasn't always
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  Speaker 3: focused on school.
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  Speaker 1: You're probably writing columns for the Atletic.
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  Speaker 3: I was reading them, you know, reading newspapers from inter
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  Speaker 3: state and looking up all this sort of stuff because
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  Speaker 3: that's what I was interested in it and the teacher
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  Speaker 3: was prattling on about maths or something, a bugger that
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  Speaker 3: I'll look up something that I want to know about.
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  Speaker 3: So I made my own fun. And I'm sure I'm
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  Speaker 3: not the only kid who's ever done that, not the
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  Speaker 3: only kid that would be doing it at this very moment.
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  Speaker 3: So I think we need to seriously rethink how use
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  Speaker 3: of technology in the classroom. Obviously, you've had states that
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  Speaker 3: have moved towards banning mobile phones in the classroom, and
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  Speaker 3: I think that's been a great first step, But I
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  Speaker 3: think we should look further than that and say that
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  Speaker 3: first and foremost, i'd say, you don't have students bringing
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  Speaker 3: their own devices of any kind to school, so they're
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  Speaker 3: not using their own laptops. If they're using a laptop,
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  Speaker 3: it's a school provided one that is given to you
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  Speaker 3: at the start of the class for the purpose of
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  Speaker 3: doing some sort of class work with or the teacher says, okay,
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  Speaker 3: we're going to do an exercise now that requires a computer.
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  Speaker 3: We either go to the computer room or we bring
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  Speaker 3: out the laptops on which you do that. And apart
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  Speaker 3: from that, i'd say, if you can expunge it from
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  Speaker 3: the classroom, beyond that, it's generally a good thing.
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  Speaker 5: And I'd say what, and I've advocate of this for.
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  Speaker 3: A long time, is that they should give every student
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  Speaker 3: a fountain pen and they can rediscover the joy of
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  Speaker 3: handwriting with a fountain pen.
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  Speaker 5: I think that do you to.
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  Speaker 3: Bring technology into the classroom, Let's regress a little bit
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  Speaker 3: and introduce them to the joys of riting with a fans.
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  Speaker 6: That's a very caleb thing to say, very very sweet.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm surprised to hear that people are being told
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  Speaker 4: that kids are being told to bring their own laptops
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  Speaker 4: into the classroom.
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  Speaker 6: Poll I was, well, we weren't.
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  Speaker 4: We were handed school laptops which we were to take
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  Speaker 4: home because we had to complete homework assignments on that laptop.
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  Speaker 4: But it was given to us by the school and
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  Speaker 4: then obviously handed back upon graduation or when we had
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  Speaker 4: to upgrade the computer.
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  Speaker 2: This has been one of the changes, right because I
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  Speaker 2: remember many years ago schools were saved. You know, enroll
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  Speaker 2: here and will provide your child with a laptop. Now
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  Speaker 2: you've got schools like Saint Joseph's Primary and Schofields here
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  Speaker 2: in Sydney who are advertising come to our school and
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  Speaker 2: your child will not use a laptop at all, at
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  Speaker 2: least in their primary years because of as you've raised,
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  Speaker 2: cognitive function and motor skills are foundational for everything else.
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  Speaker 2: And if they're not given time to develop, they don't
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  Speaker 2: And that's their concern.
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  Speaker 4: Why can't they work in candomains? Why can't they work
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  Speaker 4: hand in hand?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean you mentioned you know you were at
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  Speaker 2: an advantage because you learn to use an Excel spreadsheet, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So why can't you have computer studies or computer literacy
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  Speaker 2: as a standalone subject or as a standalone period within
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  Speaker 2: class time that is separate from your literacy and numeracy,
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  Speaker 2: which is done with a pen and paper, So you
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  Speaker 2: get the best of both.
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  Speaker 4: Because when you have to start writing long form essays,
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  Speaker 4: you're not going to start writing that on a pen and.
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  Speaker 2: Paper, granted, but that would be in sort of late
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  Speaker 2: years of primary school, high school, but wades one, two, three, four, five,
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  Speaker 2: when they're still developing those foundational skills.
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  Speaker 4: But there are also a lot of educational programs on
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  Speaker 4: a laptop.
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  Speaker 6: That's my point.
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  Speaker 4: There are a lot of educational programs plugged into a lap.
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  Speaker 3: So that becomes a replacement for what would otherwise happen
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  Speaker 3: in the classroom.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but I don't think that's a problem.
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  Speaker 3: But I think really has been proved to be a problem.
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  Speaker 1: Screen time problem.
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  Speaker 2: We're trying to reduce the amount of screen time kids
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  Speaker 2: are getting at every point, I get that the last
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  Speaker 2: thing you want to do is replace a classroom teacher
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  Speaker 2: with a computer program.
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  Speaker 4: And some of them are also plugged in to fit
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  Speaker 4: in with different children's needs as well, which helps a
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  Speaker 4: teacher out too well.
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  Speaker 3: But that's then getting into an individual you know, each
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  Speaker 3: school can make an individual assessment. If a kid for
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  Speaker 3: a particular reason can't write because he's got his hand
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  Speaker 3: cut off, then sure, maybe he'll be using a laptop
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  Speaker 3: or some other system I don't know, But that doesn't
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  Speaker 3: mean that by and large every kid should then be
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  Speaker 3: using a computer all the time in the classroom.
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  Speaker 1: Does it?
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  Speaker 4: No, But I'm not talking about I'm not talking about
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  Speaker 4: physical interest. I'm talking about learning. Learning, you know, people
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  Speaker 4: kids that need a little bit more help with their development.
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying that there are specific computer programs that help
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  Speaker 4: kids at every single leveltation.
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  Speaker 3: So that is available individual kids who specifically need that
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  Speaker 3: individual help. But that doesn't mean that you then apply
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  Speaker 3: that out to the rest of the classroom and say, okay, well,
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  Speaker 3: now the rest of the classroom be using laptops.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't see what the problem is with using
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  Speaker 4: a laptop. I think it's such an important educational tool.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think that the data says that NAP plan
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  Speaker 2: results have been going backwards, and it seems to coincide
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  Speaker 2: with the introduction of technology into the classroom because, as
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  Speaker 2: you said, concentration levels have dropped. When you physically write something,
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  Speaker 2: you remember and retain it better.
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  Speaker 6: I do agree with the physical writing. I definitely agree
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  Speaker 6: with it.
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  Speaker 2: You've got comprehension and concentration are both diminished because of
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  Speaker 2: devices in the classroom. Comprehension and concentration are pretty foundational
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  Speaker 2: to the rest of your education right now.
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  Speaker 4: I still think though, that laptop is important. I do
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  Speaker 4: think it equips kids with the skills that you need.
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  Speaker 4: It's just far more advanced to use a laptop now
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  Speaker 4: that I think in conjunction handwriting. I don't think we
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  Speaker 4: should ever get rid of laptops or technology in the classroom.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I wonder if the kids are using social media
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  Speaker 3: in the classroom, because you know, the social the social.
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  Speaker 5: Media ban remember the social media ban. I wonder how
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  Speaker 5: well that's going.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, I was only thinking the other day. I
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  Speaker 3: was on a tram and there was a I assume
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  Speaker 3: it was dad and two young girls.
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  Speaker 5: They would have looked about it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, eleven or twelve, and they're playing away
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  Speaker 3: on the Snapchat, and I thought, Ah.
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  Speaker 4: The social media band's working so much snapchats, don't you.
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  Speaker 5: Now, I have not used Snapchat for quite some time.
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  Speaker 6: A couple of face fields.
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  Speaker 3: You might use the face field as the lega, but
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  Speaker 3: I certainly don't. But I thought, oh, this social media
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  Speaker 3: band is going so well. Of course, that was the
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  Speaker 3: beginning of the federal government saying that, you know, we
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  Speaker 3: want to regulate social media in some large way. We
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  Speaker 3: believe there are harms being caused by social media, and
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  Speaker 3: of course there are, so they came up with this
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  Speaker 3: social media band. But again I don't think that has
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  Speaker 3: worked particularly well. But another idea that is being shopped
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  Speaker 3: around to the federal government is that they should regulate
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  Speaker 3: the algorithms on social media services. And indeed, there's a
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  Speaker 3: new study or a poll that's been done by Essential
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  Speaker 3: Research which is found that are whopping seventy one percent
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  Speaker 3: of Australians apparently want the government to regulate what you
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  Speaker 3: see on social media in the form of mandating an
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  Speaker 3: opt in feature for social media algorithms. So basically you
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  Speaker 3: would be able to see, say I want to see
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  Speaker 3: content showed to me via the algorithm that the social
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  Speaker 3: media service decides, or presumably you'd be able to have
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  Speaker 3: it come to you as people post it based on
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  Speaker 3: who you follow. And they then break this down into
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  Speaker 3: the political parties that people support. Seventy six percent of
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  Speaker 3: Labour people want it, seventy two percent of Coalition people,
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  Speaker 3: seventy one percent of One Nation people, sixty eight percent
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  Speaker 3: of Green's voters, So it would seem there is a
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  Speaker 3: huge amount of support for this six percent. Only six
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  Speaker 3: percent of people said they either somewhat or strongly disagreed
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  Speaker 3: with the idea of the government mandating that you should
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  Speaker 3: be able to opt out of a social media algorithm.
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  Speaker 3: And I get on the face of it that it
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  Speaker 3: sounds great because if you can opt out of the algorithm,
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  Speaker 3: you know it's meant to give you more control of
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  Speaker 3: social media. I will note the one social media platform
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  Speaker 3: at the moment that voluntarily allows you to opt out
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  Speaker 3: of the algorithm is x, which is the one, of course,
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  Speaker 3: that the net nanny, the e Safety Karen seems to
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  Speaker 3: have most problems with, even though they will let you
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  Speaker 3: use the service in the order of people you followed
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  Speaker 3: posting things when they post them as opposed to what
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  Speaker 3: they want to send to you. But what concerns me
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  Speaker 3: about this is that it becomes a slippery slope that
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  Speaker 3: we say, okay, the government effectively regulates the algorithm by
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  Speaker 3: saying you can opt out of it if you can
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  Speaker 3: say to us, so social media service, and I've always
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  Speaker 3: advocated that they should be treated in the same way
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  Speaker 3: as a publisher. But if you can say to a
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  Speaker 3: social media service that they must give you an option
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  Speaker 3: to consume content on that service which you have no
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  Speaker 3: obligation to sign up to, which is a privately owned company,
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  Speaker 3: a website that you don't have to go to, we
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  Speaker 3: will now dictate the way in which you show content
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  Speaker 3: on that. Well, here we are doing a television program.
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  Speaker 3: We're owned by a private company. The three of us,
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  Speaker 3: in conjunction with our producer and our bosses, choose the
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  Speaker 3: stories that we want to present to viewers on this show,
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  Speaker 3: and we choose the order in which they are presented
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  Speaker 3: to people on this show, because we think, you know,
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  Speaker 3: this story is most important, this is what is most interesting.
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  Speaker 3: That's what we're going to give to the viewers, because
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  Speaker 3: this is what we think we'll keep viewers watching from
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  Speaker 3: the top of the hour to the end of the hour.
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  Speaker 3: We're doing this all the time I've worked in newspapers.
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  Speaker 3: I'm there as a chief of staff having these discussions
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  Speaker 3: with the editor about what are we going to put
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  Speaker 3: on pages one, three, five, seven, etc. Because we want
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  Speaker 3: someone to a pick up the paper and buy it
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  Speaker 3: and then keep flicking the pages of the newspaper. We've
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  Speaker 3: been doing algorithms in a more manual way for a
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  Speaker 3: very long time, and the news media still does and
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  Speaker 3: always will do. But we're going to tell social media
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  Speaker 3: companies that they can't use their own algorithms. I think
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  Speaker 3: that's a dangerous territory to head into.
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  Speaker 2: I disagree with you that the government is regulating algorithms
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  Speaker 2: by this move. They're not regulating anything. They're simply providing
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  Speaker 2: consumers with choice, which I thought you would have been
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  Speaker 2: in favor of.
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  Speaker 1: Well, but no, no.
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  Speaker 3: But could they then come and say to a newspaper
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  Speaker 3: you can't choose the order in which the stories go
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  Speaker 3: because it's fundamentally the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's fundamentally different, and I think to
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  Speaker 2: draw a line between those two is a bit of
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  Speaker 2: a stretch.
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  Speaker 3: That no, but it's the I would order a newspaper
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  Speaker 3: because I want someone to buy it because they like
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  Speaker 3: page one, and then they get to page three and go,
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  Speaker 3: that was a good story, So I'm going to flip.
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  Speaker 5: The page and keep reading like it's.
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  Speaker 3: The principle of try to keep people engaged with the
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  Speaker 3: product is exactly the same as social media, except that
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  Speaker 3: social media is doing it, you know, by automated means.
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  Speaker 2: I think social media stands in a class of its
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  Speaker 2: own because it's so ubiquitous for everybody, and also because
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  Speaker 2: the way they work the algorithm is more than I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we sit around a table and we think what do
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  Speaker 2: we believe people will be most interested in, whereas social
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  Speaker 2: media companies literally monitor how long you watch a particular video,
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  Speaker 2: how long you, you know, look at a certain picture,
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  Speaker 2: and then start to formulate a whole dossier on you
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: personally and direct things your way. I think that's very
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: different to the way newspapers put together or a TV
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: show and to suggest that the government would say we're
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: going to start regulating you know, social media companies to
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: provide opt in or opt out with algorithms, and then
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: you know that's on Friday, and then Monday Elbow's ringing
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: News twenty four to say, hey, listen, I want to
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: have input into the way you present the late debate
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: is but this is a bit of a.
• 15:57
  Speaker 6: Straight but no.
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: But I think this is a slippery slope that we're
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: heading down to. I mean, as Caleb pointed out, are
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: we going to have the net nanny or some sort
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: of a bureaucrat sitting in their office in Canberra and
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: dictating what should be coming up on people's social media
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: feeds as per their algorithm? Because that's what that's the
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: slope that once you start opening that giving.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: You the ability to determine whether you want the algorithm
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: or not.
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: The thing is with algorithms, I actually think that they
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: are very useful. I like the algorithm because it provides
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: me with what I am most interested in looking at.
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: So for example, if you are looking at cooking videos
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: on your social media, your algorithm will start flooding you
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: with more cooking videos. I don't see what the problem
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: is that, because that is content that I would genuinely
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: engage in, that I generally enjoy. It's not something that's
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: foreign and random to me that's popping up, like you know,
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: I don't know Caleb Bond.
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: On a weekend.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: You don't want to see that.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: On the contrary, you and I sit here talking about
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: cooking for ten minutes, and next thing, I look at
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Instagram and I'm inundated with cooking videos and I've got
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: no But I don't think at all but that I
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: should have to say I don't want them.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: To do that.
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: But that's but that's not only just a social media thing.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: Your phone is listening to you all the time, for
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: all sorts of apps and for a range of things.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: That's just that's not just solely a social media issue.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: But I would love to have the ability to say
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: to Instagram or Facebook or whatever, I don't want you
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: doing that. I only want to look at the stuff
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: that I have asked to look at. Keep everything out.
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: But you've already sort of programmed yourself. You know, you
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: say I want to I've asked to look at it,
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: but you've already programmed the algorithm to give you.
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: What you're asking.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: You have a choice, though, but you want to ask
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: you for the matter, James, you did have a choice.
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: Do you have to use Facebook?
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: No?
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: Do you have to use X?
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Yes? Why for this job you have to use X?
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: No? You don't forced to do.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: You Every newsperson in the country is on X constantly?
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: You know that better than anybody else? All right, say
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: you're average? Right about that?
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: Average?
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Well, you know you don't have to I don't think
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: you have either. Are people who don't be watching you.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Chris Kenny for a very long time as was not
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: on I think he's just recently rejoined it.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: For long Joves not on X. Even Chris Kenny uses for.
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: The average Joan the Street. Do you have to use X?
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: Do you have to use YouTube? Do you have to
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: use Face?
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: I just can't believe how argue his instasume is to
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: have no choice.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: No, no, but the choices whether or not you use the service.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: So you have opted in to use the service and
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: then having voluntarily begun using the service. You said, I
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: don't like the service. I want the government to intervene
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: and change the way the service works.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I would like the government to intervene on my behalf
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: so that I can have the social media experience I
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: would like, rather than having it foisted upon me by
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Facebook executives who do not have my best interests at heart.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: They only have their top dollar at heart.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I never thought I would hear the days agreed with
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: only six percent agree with you.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: I never thought i'd hear the day where James Macpherson
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: is calling for more.
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: Government, more regulation.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: He literally wants another hand in his pocket from the
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: net nantny and the government bureaucrat.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: No. No, they're giving me the power to choose.
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: They're not choosing, James, You already have the power to choose.
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: To stop, just stop, to stop.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Use side argument.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: Well again, you've got the power to look at whatever
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: videos you want, and your feet is providing it with you.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: Unless you want to look at Caleb on a Sunday,
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: then it's wrong with that. By the way, there's nothing wrong.
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: It's wrong with me on a Sunday.
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: I also think of you as an example.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: It's a fellacy just to make the argument that government
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: intervention is always bad. Otherwise you don't have any The
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: point of government is that that does intervene, but in
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: your private in.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: Your private usage, what you're looking at on your social
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: media that you want intervention in that though.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: No, it's not intervening in what I love.
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: It is intervenient.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: No, it's not saying anything about what I look at.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: It's giving me the opportunity to determine what I look at.
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: It's government intervention. I never thought i'd hear you say it,
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: James McPherson. But we learn everything.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: We're forced to look at Instagram.
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: He's forced to look at everything. This guy is. He
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: lives this very very sad life. Now look it is.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: For us, he lives a sad life.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: No, absolutely, that's probably what the saddest.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Part of it, to the one respite for.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: Spending time with caleber and I is the saddest part
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: of James.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: McPherson's Give the government to intervene.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: This nett Nanny would be all over it like her rash.
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: She'd love that. She'd love that. Okay.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: Now it is that time of the year, the best
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: time of the year in Queensland. Of course the Ecka
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: is on the show that everyone of every age loves
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: and this year there is a special guest at the Ecka.
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: Her name is Pauline Hansen.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Yes, one nation has actually set up its own booth
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: there at the one of the pavilions, costing about three
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: thy nine hundred dollars for a three meter by three
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: meter spot according to the ECHA leasing guide.
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: The LMP is also there, but as you can.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: See by this vision here, Pauline Hanson's proving quite popular.
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: What makes her stand different, aside from the fact that
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: punters can meet and greet with the leader herself, is
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: that she's also selling merchandising. So there are there is
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: a twenty five dollar make elbow go away hat, a
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: thirty five dollar Pauline Hanson bobblehead figurine, a five dollar
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: pack of playing cards featuring a CPR digitally altered image
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: of miss Hanson as a nineteen fifties housewife manually washing
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: clothes with an Australian flag draped over her shoulder.
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: I like this.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: This is amazing ingenuity. I think this is absolutely fantastic.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: Now the LMP. Let's do a bit of a compare
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: and contrast. If we can just bring up the LMP please.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they're holding a cabinet meeting at the ecka
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: versus Pauline Hanson meeting and greeting. I don't know about
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: you too, but I think there's one that looks fun
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: and one maybe that doesn't look as much fun. Now
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: I have to say this is such smart politics by
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: One Nation taking Pauline Hanson out into the ECHA to
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: meet with people, to meet with her supporters, and they
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: are capitalizing on not only her polling but her success
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: right now.
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: So what better way to throw her into the limelight to.
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: Send it to one of the most popular festivals of
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: the year, to have her photos taken, and by all accounts,
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: she's enjoying it.
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: Go on here at the.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: Aircraft and the One Nations said, I've had a fantastic time.
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: I've met so many cheerful I'm going to have a
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: one to day here, So if you're at the ap
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: please come down to the One Action soon.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: I'm out having to go. Oh, I've been here for
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: the rest week.
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: I've got chamber. I'm I've got to go down that day.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: Time public to google what I have noticed about One
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: Nation social media in the last few months. And I've
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: said this before, they are doing it so well compared
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: to the other parties. Pauline Hanson is not talking policy
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: at you. She's putting herself at your level. Even with
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: that video. Look, I'm not going to be there all day.
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: It's like she's having a chat to a mate. It's
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: not I am. You know Anthony Albanesi the Prime Minister
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: of Australia and I love the EKA. It's not a
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: pre recorded, pre rehearsed Anthony Albanesi script. It's very one
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: on one and very relatable. But even when she was
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: spending time overseas, when she was in London, she had
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: those videos when she was sitting in the back of
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: the car and she was just talking at the camera,
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: very off the cuff.
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: It didn't look scripted.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: So whatever one nation is doing right now, whoever is
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: behind the social media campaigns, the ad campaigns, I would say,
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: well done because it's working. And to put Pauline at
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: the EKA brilliant. Well.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: I think James Ashby is behind most of this and
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: it is marketing genius.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Frankly, when it comes from politics, of course you'd be
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: at the ECHA.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: They're expecting four hundred and thirty thousand people at the
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: exhibition this week, so Pauline Hanson would be mad not
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: to be there. I think the interesting point of difference
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: between the LNP stand and the One Nation stand is
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: that the LNP stand is providing people with policy information.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: The One Nation stand is providing people with an opportunity
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: for a selfie.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: With Pauline Hanson.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: And if you talk to a lot of One Nation supporters,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: they tend to be far more sold on Pauline Hanson
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: the person and a little less oa with the policies.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: But we like Pauline Hanson and we believe in her.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: With the LNP, it's more about the policies when it
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: comes to merch. I mean, so you tell me you
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: go to the Echo, right, you're not really interestant politics
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: at the Echo. So you could go to the One
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Nation stand and get a Pauline Hanson bobblehead to put
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: on the dash of your white camery, Caleb or my
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: white camery. Well, you're talking to me about that before
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: the show. Or you can go to the L and
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: P stand. Do you know what they're offering or they're
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: giving to hit me. They're giving away a chore chart.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: So it's an ln P coort chart, so you can
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: put all the chores for the household on the chart.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: LLENP logo or an NP hight chart, you know those
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: hype charts.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: So what would you rather make?
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Albanezy go away hat or a chor chart to put
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: on the fridge with the LNP logo.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: How embarrassy if I saw a chor chart with the
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: L ANDP logo in someone's house and go where they go?
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: What a Why would want a political party to be
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: associated with chores?
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, is it bad?
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: But this is emblematic of just how far more agile
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: One Nation is than the major parties. And they just
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: get the new landscape much better, which is why they're
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: doing so well. People are sick of the old way
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: of doing things because they look at the old way
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: of doing things and say, well, and I'm delivered very
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: much for me, and so I'm willing to go and
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: look at something completely different. I'm willing to say, actually,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: you know what, I'll work out my make my mind
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: up about policy later. I just need something.
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: Else to believe in.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: And at the moment, they'll believe in One Nation and
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson and so all they need to do is
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: rock up and say well here's the product.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: The product they're selling is not the policy. The product
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: they're selling is the person. The product they're selling is
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: the mood, it's the vibe. It's that we don't like
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: the way things are going. Here's someone who talks differently,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: treats you differently.
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: Is available, do you?
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: I mean you know you wouldn't see Anthony Albanisi or
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: I suspect Angus Taylor or in the case you know
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: that they've got the state government having a cabinet meeting
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: up there, David Chris A foley.
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: Man, anyone cares worry, but you wouldn't.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: You wouldn't have these people manning a stand at the
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: ecka so that the average Joe blow.
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: Can come up and have a yarn with them.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: You know, their interactions with the public are stage managed mostly.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: You know, you're more likely with an opposition leader perhaps
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: run into them in the street, but most of your
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: interactions with the public are stage manager and there's staff
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: they're making sure that everything stays on track, and you know,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: will move you on if someone asks you a difficult question,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: and all these sorts of things, right, it's just so
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: completely different, and that is fundamentally why one nation is
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: working and the faster. The Labor Party in the Coalition
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: realize that the better.
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: It will be for them.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: But I think, as I asked Roskadel this question one
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: evening when I was hosting PML, I said, why didn't
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: you come up with the Father lire Ad campaign the
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: fundraiser before One Nation did? And he said, fundamentally, we're
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: just not as agile as they are, and that is basically.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: I don't think we have seen an on the ground
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: campaign like it in politics at the moment in the
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: last decade, in my view, at least than what we're
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: seeing right now from One Nation.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Remember a couple of weeks ago when Barnaby Joyce yelled
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: at his dog during an ABC interview. Oh yeah, the
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: next day on the One Nation website they had Barnaby
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Joyce dog leashes that you could buy called shut up
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: or be quiet or down whatever it was. That they're
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: incredibly quick. Paul and Hansen might have some allies at
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: the Strathfield Council here in Sydney where it comes to
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: social cohesion, because the council there has just moved a
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: motion that would compel local businesses to put shop signs
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: in English. It doesn't mean they can't have signs in
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: other languages as well, but the motion would make it
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: compulsory for them to have English signs. And this is
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: important because in Strathfield forty five thousand residents seventy three
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: percent of whom speak a language other than English, and
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: indeed about that percentage were born overseas as well. Consequently,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: and we'll show you some vision. When you walk through
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: the suburb of Strathfield, it's not unusual at all to
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: walk past shops where you've got no idea optometrist.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I know what that says.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: But many of the shops there's no English whatsoever. The
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: motion was carried four votes to two. But what's particularly
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: interesting is the motion was moved not by some white
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: supremacist but by a South Korean immigrant councillor, Esther Kim.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: She moved to Australia forty nine years ago, and she says,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: as a local in Strathfield and as an immigrant, it's
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: crazy having all of these different languages but no English.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: She said, English is the glue that binds us all together.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: How can we ever have social cohesion if, at a
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: minimum we can't communicate with each other. So it seems
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: perfectly sensible to mandate in a suburb of Australia that
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: you should have English shop signs. She said she was
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: astonished that the opposition to this was led by labor
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: councilors who were not immigrants at all, but white Australians
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: were the ones opposed to this. And that's the thing
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: I find fascinating about this. You've got, as I said,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: an immigrant counselor saying we should have English signs, and
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: you've got English locals saying no, no, no, no, we don't want
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: to impose that on people. I think the premise here
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: is that when you come to this country, you move
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: to a you don't come here and demand Australia booths
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: to you.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: And I think that's the difference.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: They're not outlawing signs in other languages, they're just saying,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: as a minimum, we should have English.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: What do you think, well, yeah, I oh, I think
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: this is absolutely brilliant. Finally we actually see a council
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: with some common sense. Well, why are other councils across
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: the country following suit. I find it fascinating that this
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: came from a migrant Yet, as you mentioned, James, you've
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: got white people in the council the only ones opposing it,
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: and I thought about it, and I thought, you know,
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: I feel like they're just preconditioned to always go, oh,
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: we can't offend people. It's this it's like it's like
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: a second nature. No, we can't do that because we
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: might offend. It's this white guilt that's constantly thrust.
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: No.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: In the end, people come to this country to assimilate,
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: and we are a predominantly English speaking nation. Yes, people
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: bring their own language and their own culture, but in
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: the end, you've got to assimilate with our way of life.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: I don't go to Russia, for example, and demand there
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: to be English signs when I'm in Russia.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: I think you should give it a go. Janeka, Oh,
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: i'd like to see that.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: Okay, Well maybe one day, Caleb, I might just trop
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: myself off to Moscow.
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: I don't know yet. I haven't quite decided.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I never see against that's what he wants.
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: I have to say, the very first time I went
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: to Stratfield, and I've only been once.
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: My first thought was, wow, there are a lot of
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: signs in Chinese. That was the initial thought that I had.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: And I was there for and for the state election campaign,
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: and that was my first thought that everything was in Chinese,
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: and it's just something that you notice when you go
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: to I guess, very multicultural suburbs.
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: And again that is absolutely fine.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: But we are a predominantly English speaking nation, and in
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: the end people need to be able to participate and
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: put up their hand and say, I'm trying to be
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: part of your country.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: You want Chinese, go down to Hurstville and have a
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: look around there. I mean you say, Danika, people come
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: here to assimilate. They should come here to assimilate. I
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: think some people don't, unfortunately, and you would think that
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: if you went to another country that you would do
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: your best to fit into it and use the language
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: of that country. I don't understand why you would go, Okay,
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: I'm moving to another country, presumably because you think that
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: is a better place to go than the one that
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: you've come from, and then make very little effort to
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: be part of that country in a meaningful way that
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: contributes not just to your ethnic community and is available
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: to your ethnic community, but.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: Is available to all people.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: And so I think it is absolutely fair and right
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: that we would ask that a business conducts itself in English,
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: so that all Australian people can be part of it,
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: not just people who come from the same ethnic background
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: as you. You know, you wouldn't get away with it
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: in most parts of the world. I suspect, and we
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: should not be so accommodating ourselves now.
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: Of course we're told.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: Renewable energy best thing since slash spread, cheapest form of energy.
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: Don't worry about it.
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: It'll work all the time.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Except if you have a solar eclipse. Because they're going
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: to have a solar eclipse over in the Arctic and Europe,
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: and they're very worried now over in the UK that
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: they're going to run out of power.
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: They're not going to have enough, they're going to have
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: to turn on all this fossil fulls again.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Have listen to this from the Telegraph in London. They
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: say the slump that is caused by the fact that
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: the moon is going to block out the Sun could
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: knock out as much as one point three gigawatts of supply.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: According to the National Energy System Operator, which runs Britain's
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: electricity grid. That is enough electricity to power roughly half
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: a million homes. Gas fired power stations will have to
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: be turned on to make up some of the shortfall
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: alongside other sources of electricity and indeed Octopus Energy, which
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: is the biggest energy company in the UK.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: Interesting name, I have to say.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: But they've asked people not to turn their washing machines
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: and dishwashers and all these sorts here we go, energy
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: intensive things on between the six and eight pm on
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: Wednesday because they're worried that the solar eclipse is going
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: to cause the country to run out of power.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: Oh seriously, you know, I'm having flashbacks slash PTSD to
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: when we were told to turn off our washing machines
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: and dishwashers during a heat wave here in New South Wales.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: And now apparently the solar eclipse is going to impact
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: the energy grid as well. I mean, where does it end?
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Where does it end in a big bang and a
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: big blowout.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: This will come as a massive shock to Chris Bow
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: and won't it.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Doesn't He always boast that nothing can stop the sun
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: or the wind.
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: Energy must be secure. Renewable energy is a secure form
• 34:49
  Speaker 7: of energy. The Australian Sun cannot be interrupted by a
• 34:53
  Speaker 7: war or anything else. The solar energy has to travel
• 34:56
  Speaker 7: one hundred and fifty million kilometers from the Sun. It
• 34:59
  Speaker 7: doesn't have to travel the w one hundred and fifty
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: klometers of are stretch of homewards.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Some cannot be interrupted by a war, can be interrupted
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: by the moon though and nighttime, which happens fairly regularly.
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: And G jumps is like Chris Bowen.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: For Chris Bowen who always talks about, you know, energy security,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: energy security, that the last solar eclipse in the UK
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: was in nineteen ninety nine, and when that occurred, no
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: one even thought twice about whether or not they should
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: use their washing machine or their dishwasher. Here we are,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: just twenty seven years later, and all of a sudden,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: everybody is being told try not to use your power
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: while the eclipse is taking place. And we call this progress,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: doesn't it.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: Remember once upon a time it was don't look outside
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: during the during and eclipse, or.
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: You have to have your special glasses on.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: Now it's don't use your power during the How we
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: have evolved as humans over time?
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: They were absolutely evolving backwards. All right, we're going to
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: go to a break. When we come back, the Reserve
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Bank leave interest rates alone, but they warn the only
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: thing keeping the economy going is high immigration. That's coming
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: up next well, if you believe tomorrow's papers, we'd be
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: in a lot of trouble if it wasn't for our
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: migrant Staneker.
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, indeed, let's have a look at the os tomorrow
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: migrants carry alp economy. Australia's economic recovery will rely on
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: higher immigration, the Reserve Bank has warned, with productivity growth
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: going backwards and unemployment to jump, placing Labour's economic agenda
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: under increased pressure. As Anthony Albanesi works on a plan
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: to slash migration back to budget targets amid one nation's
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: ascendancy and a divided labor caucus, Reserve Bank Governor Michelle
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: Bullock says she is concerned that productivity is so low
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: and population growth is set to be a key driver
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: of higher GDP growth. I mean this is really nothing new.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: We've known for many years that migration is propping up
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: the economy right now because had it not been for
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: Labour's record migration, we would have been in a recession
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: years ago. Now we still don't have a plan from
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: Labor on how it's going to tackle migration. And above
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: all this it's going to have an impact regardless on
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: GDP growth. So I mean Labor has buggered it up
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: from the beginning.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: It's not real economic growth. It's not I mean, we're
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: just saying, okay, we have higher demand because we have
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: more people, but it doesn't mean we're actually making anything
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: or meeting that demand properly, or it just further exacerbates
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: the problems we already have.
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: But we go, oh, a few.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: It means we've got economic it's not real economic growth.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: It's kind of a national pyramid scheme.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Yes it is, and the government funds it because of course,
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: you know, they bring the migrants out and then they
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: create jobs in the service economy like health care and
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: all these They go.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: Oh look, jobs, jobs, it's all good. It's not real.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: So the question becomes can the government find a way
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: out of this? And you wouldn't be super confident if that,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: would you, judging by no the geniuses we have in
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Canber right now, what do I forget?
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: As well?
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: Burke canceled his speech that he was set to give
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: last week on migration.
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: So let's see they're clearly divided.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: So let's see when he does actually make his speech,
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: what Labor is going to come up with when it
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: comes to its immigration figures because as we know, more
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: than one point two million have come in under under
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: Labour's watch. Stay tuned for that one. Also on the
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: front page of the old secret powers for ASIO to
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: probe unis, AZO was set to get new powers to
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: secretly probe university collaborations with hostile nations after the Education
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: Department rebuked twenty six universities over risky research. Universities will
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: be forced to report all dealings with any institution in China, Iran, Russia, Belarus, Brunei,
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: Vietnam or Laos under changes to the Foreign Relations Act
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: before Parliament. Every education and research institution in those countries
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: will be deemed to lack institutional autonomy from their government,
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: meaning hostile or authoritarying gunsments can meddle in sensitive research
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: raining raging from cybersecurity to military and biological warfare.
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: Fantastic.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: I think this is absolutely terrific because if our institutions
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: are going to be compromised by hostile foreign powers, well
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: finally we need something in place. I think that this
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: is fantastic that they should be probed.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: And our universities only have themselves to blame for ASIO
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: now having these powers, because if they had been more
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: vigilant and not allowed, for instance, universities here to do
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: combined research with scientists in a ran on drone technology
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: of all things, they wouldn't be in this situation. But
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: because they refuse to police themselves, now Asio will be
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: given the task.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: I think God, the real scandal is that we need
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: to do this in the first place. You'd think it
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: would be pretty self evident to universities that you know,
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: you don't do certain things with Charana, and you don't
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: do certain things in the Iran and other countries, but
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: you know, the allmighty dollar seems to be more important
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: to them, and so we've.
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: Had to step in.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Sad but needed.
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: That's it.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: No, there's another story on the front.
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: Of Sorry, there is sorry.
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: That was my kid, how Alberizis meet girls back in
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: their boss Anthony Alberze's most senior female colleagues have closed
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: ranks around him to deflect allegations he made a crude
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: and sexist joke about Japanese leader Sanae Takiyachi's melons. As
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: the Prime Minister refused to apologize for the remarks, Cabinet
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: ministers Katie Gallaher and Penny Wong, who led Labour's attack
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: on Scott Morrison over the Britney Higgins scandal, defended mister
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: Albinizi as a supporter of women and said his remarks
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: had been misinterpreted. I trust his assurance regarding misrepresentation of
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: those comments. Senator Galaher said, I don't know how much
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: longer Sellator Gallaher and the likes of Tania Pliboset can
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: keep dancing around this issue. Pretty no, no, it didn't happen.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: Now look at the vision yourself. We have seen the vision.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: We all know what it meant. We didn't all come
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: down in the last shower. Stop trying to pull the
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: wool over everybody's eyes. And I actually find it so
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: hypocritical because the mean girls are apparently the champions of women,
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: but not these sorts of comments.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Did you hear Tony Abbott on Kredlin tonight and he
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: talked about the Prime ministerm needs to be man enough
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: to apologize in person enough. I just thought it's just
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: another example of Tony Abbott understanding the art of a
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: good line. Because Angus Taylor made criticisms a couple of
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: days ago, but it just sort of disappeared beneath all
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: the other news. But I just thought that phrase from
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Tony Abbott saying that the Prime Minister should quote man.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Up and apologize. It's just a good line.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: I thought we all knew that when you're talking about
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: melons and you're pulling these ones, that it has absolutely
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: nothing to do with a woman's bret. The fact that
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: they're still trying to run this line that no, no,
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: it had come on, I pulled the other one.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: And the fact that all these women in the labor
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: they must know it's a load of garbage.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: You can't tell me that ten you're plibber sick and
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: Katie Gallaha, they as if they don't know what he
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: meant by it, and they're lining up to defend it.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: What a joke.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: On the front of the Daily Telegraph tomorrow, exclusive tobacco
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: crackdown on metro servos to hit petrol prices smoking guns
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: is the headline. The nation's largest independent petrol station chain
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: has had stores rated across the country, some of them
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: shut down after a major investigation into the alleged supply
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: and distribution of illegal tobacco, with industry experts warning the
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: scale of the crackdown could increase prices at the bowser.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: It's part of a major probe into the fuel giant
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: owned by a wealthy Sydney family and good to see
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: some crackdown on all of this stuff. Of course, you know,
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: I still don't think it'll really be a drop in
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: the ocean. You can take some cigarettes out of the system,
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: but we know they come in by the container load
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: and there'll be someone else selling them tomorrow if they're
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: not selling them.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: At other places.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: But you know they do have to do this stuff, absolutely,
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: But is it going to.
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: We're gonna have least person smoking tomorrow because of it?
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Probably not.
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: I'm interested to see what it does to the fuel prices.
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: Well indeed.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: The other question over this is like you said, you've got
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: nine stations, right, was that a coordinated theme and this
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: will be the question or was it just individual? It
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: seems a little too many to be not.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: And this is what they've got to look into now,
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: because yeah, it's a big operation. It obviously had multiple
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: stores allegedly selling stuff. So you've got to wonder where
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: is it organized? Is people trying to make a barckup?
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: And I mean it's organized crime obviously, is running this
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: whole elicit tobacco things, so play more to can all right.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: The front page of tomorrow's Herald's son shot full of
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: holes reads the headline, and of course talking about potholes.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Less than two percent of Victorian motorists seeking compensation for
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: damage caused by potholes are receiving payouts. Secret government data reveals.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Documents obtained under freedom of information show drivers are facing
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: virtually impossible odds when seeking repair work payouts for damages
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: caused by the states broke road network, with ninety eight
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: percent turned away. Seven hundred and eighty six of the
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: eighteen hundred and nine compensation claims were rejected by the
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Department of Transport. That's over the last two financial years,
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: the state's road authority covered repair costs for just twenty
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: three drivers. Now, to give you an idea of how
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: crazy that is, at the weekend we saw more than
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: thirty cars damaged by one pothole.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: That was just on the weekend.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: And then last month there was another pothole on the
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Princess Highway that had more than twenty cars damaged. So
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: this is proving to be a major election issue. Yeah,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: who would have thought A surprise.
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: I know, I'm out of everything.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's got a state with crime, debt, and
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: now potholes are the problem.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: I was talking to made man earlier in Victoria evening
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: Pierce and he was driving while we're on the phone,
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: and he goes, oh, just hit a potholes.
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: You know you're talking to a Victorian when he and
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: then he's like, Jesus, is the car still all right?
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: Because he did? He hit one once and did the
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: rim They cost him four grand?
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, very quickly.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: The other story on the front page of the Herald's
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: son work from home pause fails. Job Premier Ben Carroll
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: will delay implementing Victoria's contentious work from home laws until
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: next year, but big employers say the move still falls
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: short and should be scrapped entirely. Ben Carroll delaying the
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: implementation of those controversial laws until after the election.
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: I come, of course, he is.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Why we're going to go to a break.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: When we come back, I'm going to tell you about
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: a golfer who wanted a birdie and got a fishy.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: That's next.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure King Charles is still alive, But Deniki,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: you can never be too sure these days.
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: Well, no, now, you might remember at home.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: A couple of months ago, a radio station in Essex
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: in the UK by the name of Radio Caroline accidentally
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: announced that the King had died, when actually the King
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: was very much alive and well.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: Now a media watchdog investigation has found out why this happened.
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: Are you ready for it? It was done out of curiosity.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: That was a reason. Out of curiosity, that pre recorded
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: segment went to air.
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: Out of curiosity. This was it.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: This is Radio Caroline.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: We have suspended our normal programs until further notice as
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: a mark of respect following the passing of His Majesty
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: King Charles the Third.
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, whoop.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: See So I'm not sure if that worker that was
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: very curious is curious any more about his job.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: So they've got these obituaries, all these announcements pre recorded
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: right in the event, and he just wanted to know
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: what it sounded.
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: Him out of curiosity.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: Why didn't I just bang that one on the air
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: and see how and give it a crow? You know,
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: why don't we do that one night? Why don't we
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: just you know, pronounce the king dead or you know, oh,
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: they can use The Prime Minister has come acropper and
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: done another Harald Holt, who does I'll just I'll just
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: I'm just testing the buttons.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: It's all right, you want to know what the announcement
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: sounds like, don't we all?
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: Well you're going first, Caleb. You give that one a
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: whirl and we'll follow.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: Now, I don't think I will be giving that one
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: a will. Speaking of giving things a whirl, though, how
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: about a literal whirl. If you happen to be in
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: Greenwich Park in London over the weekend, maybe you thought,
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: you know that the weather is still lovely in London
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: at the moment, I'm going to make the best of
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: the euro summer. I'm going to go out for a picnic,
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden you watched your cucumber
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: sandwiches disappear into the air.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Stream of things that.
• 47:51
  Speaker 8: What, this is going to ruin my food?
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Now, I think he's hit on the most important bit
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: at the end there.
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: This is going to ruin my food.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, imagine you're sitting there and his hungry, bloody
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: wind thing comes on take your food away?
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: Would you? Would you run a mild a negro?
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: I feel like you'd be like you'd think it was
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: going to sack you up and send you up to heaven.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: Or I would run, Yeah, I would, I'd run away
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: from that. That's frightening. Well you wouldn't run.
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: You just sit there and just be engulfed.
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: Dust yep, take it like a man.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Exclusive Vision.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: South African golfer Carl Schwartzel was teeing off on the
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: seventh hole at the Trump National Golf Club. He was
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: hoping for a birdie. Instead he got a fishy.
• 48:35
  Speaker 8: Oh oh yeah.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Could be in for a shock and someone would say
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: his golf shop was tailor made.
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: Hid. I want to know what happens to the fish?
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Now? How do you pass a golf I know, Indian
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: golf ball.
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: Surely cannot be dead, for it has to be dead.
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: Well maybe yeah, that's look, he got a hole in one.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Anyway, the guy who played the shot, he's been carping
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: on about the that's it for us to stick around.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Here is the Rida Petty Show. Good night,