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The Decision Maker with Serene Russell · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with I our Radio. Hello, everyone, welcome to the Almost
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Speaker 1: Homous podcast. Today. It is me and it is not
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Speaker 1: Ben Higgins. He's on some crazy governmental experiment, not experiment.
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Speaker 1: He's doing something really good in South I think in
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Speaker 1: South or Central America. The man is always doing something interesting.
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Speaker 1: But I have somebody else, very interesting, very wonderful, and
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Speaker 1: honestly quite magical. Her name is Serene Russell joining me today.
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Speaker 1: Hey Serene, Hey, how are you good? How are you?
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Speaker 1: I say you're magical because the presence of you and
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Speaker 1: Brandon together in Paradise was something, it was a special thing.
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Speaker 1: I felt so good about you guys, just making it
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Speaker 1: all the way because there is just some effortless beauty
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Speaker 1: of your love. How is it going going good? It's
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Speaker 1: been good finally getting used to San Diego and just
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Speaker 1: trying to settle in together. Okay, gotcha. It's a weird time,
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Speaker 1: you know, kind of like coming together in a new
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Speaker 1: place or both of you right right right, and then
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Speaker 1: we you know, moved in, but like I had to
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Speaker 1: be hidden for a bit and so just with like
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Speaker 1: everything after the show and like both of us traveling
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Speaker 1: a lot, it's been like running around with our heads
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Speaker 1: cut off. I got I understand, I understand. So we
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Speaker 1: do want to go and get to know what's going
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Speaker 1: on with you guys, a little bit more in depth
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Speaker 1: than our in depth series. But today in this episode,
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Speaker 1: we have to focus on the finale. This finale I
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Speaker 1: was truly truly excited for. I think sometimes I don't know,
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Speaker 1: I guess that finales are kind of always exciting. I
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Speaker 1: don't know why I was particularly excited about this one.
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Speaker 1: I really didn't know where it was gonna go after
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Speaker 1: last week, because we left off with Gabby pretty upset,
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Speaker 1: and then I think, like you would think that Katie
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Speaker 1: would have a bit of hesitation even after that fantasy's
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Speaker 1: waiting talking through it and all that. So I was like, something,
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Speaker 1: some twisty thing is going to happen. I was actually
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Speaker 1: shocked that there wasn't really a twisty thing. I thought
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Speaker 1: that maybe Katie and him wouldn't be together, but it
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Speaker 1: was relatively predictable. Yeah, let's start the top with Ariel.
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Speaker 1: What was your take on the sit down with Ariel?
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Speaker 1: What did we learn we learned? I mean, I think
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Speaker 1: we already knew a woman has a beautiful vocabulary, so
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Speaker 1: jealousken like, oh, I mean she I expected her to
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Speaker 1: be great, but she's She literally is just so eloquent
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Speaker 1: everything she does, like the way she speaks, like her
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Speaker 1: brain Like I know, I'm just watching her in awe
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Speaker 1: and truthfully envy. I'm like, why can't I carry myself
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Speaker 1: with that? Why can't I articulate myself like that? She
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Speaker 1: is amazing? And I have to say, I think there
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Speaker 1: was a lot of people out there, including myself, that
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Speaker 1: was really missing her being the choice of bachelorette. What
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Speaker 1: do you think about that? Honestly, Like I am a
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Speaker 1: little surprised, just because I feel like so much happened
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Speaker 1: after you know, the Fantasy Suite, but like with Ariel especially,
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Speaker 1: like I don't know, like you never know, like you
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Speaker 1: know why anything happens the way it does. We got
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Speaker 1: to know her. I feel like a lot better than Charity.
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Speaker 1: Yeah up, like getting it to be just feeling more
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Speaker 1: attached to her, rooting for her a little bit more,
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Speaker 1: I think a lot because of the way she carried
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Speaker 1: herself daring Fantasy Sweet Week. Yeah, yeah that too, And
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Speaker 1: I mean I was surprised too about Gabby, Like just
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Speaker 1: watching well, there's just a lot and I feel like
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Speaker 1: I feel like recently and maybe it's just because something
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Speaker 1: crazy has happened, like every season, but usually it's you
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Speaker 1: know someone that something really awful has happened to or
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Speaker 1: you know their experience, and I feel like after a
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Speaker 1: certain point that's more common. And so I was, I
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Speaker 1: was a little shocked. Yeah, right, like all three of
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Speaker 1: them would be great. But I know, I know this
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Speaker 1: isn't not to put down Charity as choice at all.
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Speaker 1: I just feel like the audience really got bonded to
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Speaker 1: Ariel and especially Gabby after last night, and we are
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Speaker 1: very invested in their personal journey now where Charity like
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Speaker 1: we know that she's a sweet girl, but we didn't
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Speaker 1: really feel like a lot of heartbreak from her. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: like with Gabby and now I know how they usually
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Speaker 1: think of the runner up becoming bachelorette, and that is like, well,
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Speaker 1: it's kind of a spoiler if the runner up because
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Speaker 1: it becomes because like we saw, they've already filmed Night one.
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Speaker 1: I bet you through a couple of weeks right now,
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Speaker 1: so we'd be like, can we know if Gabby were
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Speaker 1: the bachelorette, so be a huge spoiler to everyone, and
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Speaker 1: they also used to say that like they couldn't have
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Speaker 1: the runner uppy Bachelorette because the feelings were too exactly,
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Speaker 1: the feelings were too fresh, and Gabby did truly seem
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Speaker 1: currently still very affected and not over it. That was
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Speaker 1: exactly what I thought. Yeah, she's just a little too
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Speaker 1: like her still, like I think for that, but still
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Speaker 1: wanted to see it, you know, crazy. But I was
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Speaker 1: watching my sister and she was like, I just think
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Speaker 1: that they want her to be Queen in Paradise, so
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Speaker 1: we'll see it. Do you have inside scoop? No, No,
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Speaker 1: I know nothing. I was okay, all right, well let's
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Speaker 1: go back to Ariel for a second. The big thing
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Speaker 1: that had to be a dressed between Ariel and Zach
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Speaker 1: was the fact that she was never told that he
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Speaker 1: slept with Gabby. Like he goes and he tells Katie
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Speaker 1: right away and makes a big stink out of it,
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Speaker 1: and we're all like, dude, what are you doing. You're
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Speaker 1: telling Gabby that you're gonna go and tell people. But
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Speaker 1: then he really just went and told Katie, which makes
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Speaker 1: us all wonder or like, oh, okay, that's because you
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Speaker 1: gotta pick. You're gonna pick Katie right, and you want
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Speaker 1: to be like open and honest and you don't want
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Speaker 1: to get any skeletons out once the diamond rang is
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Speaker 1: already on her finger. And it's pretty evident that's what
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Speaker 1: he did, because if you just wanted to be open
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Speaker 1: and honest in what she said was basically like three
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Speaker 1: open relationships, he would have come to her and told
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Speaker 1: her as well. No, I absolutely agree, And that was
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Speaker 1: part of what I thought was so interesting is I
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Speaker 1: believe when he sat down with Gabby to let her know, Hey,
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Speaker 1: I think I should tell the other girls. He didn't say, oh,
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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna, you know, tell one other person or
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Speaker 1: something like. It sounded like he was going to tell Ariel.
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Speaker 1: And at first I was like, did we just not
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Speaker 1: see it? Like yeah, right, because I would think it's
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Speaker 1: definitely a scene that they could have done without and
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Speaker 1: then they aired it online or something like that. Just
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Speaker 1: be like, guys O bachelination, just letting you know he
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Speaker 1: did go do it. Here it is we just didn't
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Speaker 1: fit it in because she was got eliminated. But he
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Speaker 1: didn't do it, and it's not a great look. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I gets, Yeah, it's not I remember as soon as
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Speaker 1: I saw that, I was like, this can't be like
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Speaker 1: this simple because it feels very obvious at that point. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, yes, yes, And then Ariel posted an Instagram
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Speaker 1: reel or a TikTok this week saying that the first
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Speaker 1: time she heard of any of this, yes, the whole
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Speaker 1: this is she said, the first time I heard that
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Speaker 1: he slept with anyone else was on TV, and she's
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Speaker 1: just like walking, Yep, yeah, I would have been I
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Speaker 1: don't know, I would have been pretty upset. And she's right,
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Speaker 1: I mean to go home at that point they I
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Speaker 1: feel like there was a lot of confusion, and then
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Speaker 1: to see that after the fact, like I feel like
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Speaker 1: that's the sucky part is like you go home and
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Speaker 1: you take the time to yell, and then you watch
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Speaker 1: it and you see things that you didn't see the
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Speaker 1: first time. I know. One of the biggest moments for
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Speaker 1: her that was like a yes girl, was when she said,
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Speaker 1: you took away Zach my choice in the conversation, Like
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Speaker 1: you just said, off the table, we're not having sex.
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Speaker 1: You took away my choice in that whole issue, not
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Speaker 1: even knowing that. I would have told you I didn't
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Speaker 1: want to do that either, So of course she's bringing
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Speaker 1: up two things. Well, she's bringing up one big thing,
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Speaker 1: and that is like, you just think that you're like
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Speaker 1: the master decision maker in our relationship. Yeah, and that
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Speaker 1: was I think that that was kind of like the
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Speaker 1: gross element of last week with Zach, where it was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: he's he just think that he's because he's the bachelor,
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Speaker 1: he's now like decision maker of each relationship. Do you
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Speaker 1: remember I think it was Gabby. Do you remember what
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Speaker 1: Gabby said in that moment? What did she say? I
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Speaker 1: think whenever he sat her down for her date, like
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Speaker 1: it skipped to an interview clip of her being like,
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Speaker 1: I don't know that I would want to get engaged
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Speaker 1: to someone having not like at that moment, and so
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Speaker 1: it was just interesting because they do it is like
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Speaker 1: I'm the bachelor, like this is you know, my decision,
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Speaker 1: and then you realize there's so many people like I
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Speaker 1: don't know. It's so messy. It is so messy. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: I think it was interesting to hear that Ariel was like, well,
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Speaker 1: if you don't want to just talk to me about it,
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Speaker 1: like it had a conversation about it. He would have
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Speaker 1: realized that I was on the same page as him
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Speaker 1: and then maybe like we could have like bonded over that, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but she also didn't give him that satisfaction by telling him,
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Speaker 1: you know, in the fantasy suite, Oh guess what, me too? No,
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Speaker 1: And then I thought it was I thought it was
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Speaker 1: really cool too. How she at the end of it
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Speaker 1: was like, you know what, like we did have good
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Speaker 1: memories too, you know, I don't want to reduce it
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Speaker 1: all to this moment. But she also like she held
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Speaker 1: her own but then was still so kind at the
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Speaker 1: same time. She was she was like, I don't want
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Speaker 1: to be railed on. Yeah, She's like, I don't need
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Speaker 1: to make this worst for you. Yeah. Yeah, it was nice.
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Speaker 1: She said what she needed to say, satisfied herself and
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Speaker 1: the audience, and then she was just like yeah, She's like,
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Speaker 1: all right, poor you probably have bigger issues to deal
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Speaker 1: with later in this episode. Okay, so let's move on
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Speaker 1: to like the in Thailand part. We have the girls
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Speaker 1: meeting Zach's family. I love Zach's family. They're wonderful. They
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Speaker 1: made him more attractive as a package to me. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, his relationship with his mom and then his
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Speaker 1: sister's like they have they all have the same face like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it is so funny. Yeah, but his family did seem
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Speaker 1: really cool, Like they just seemed really sweet but really warm, funny,
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Speaker 1: very down to earth, like I just liked their vibes. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So both girls end up telling him afterward it was like,
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Speaker 1: after meeting your family, I could confidently say I'm in
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Speaker 1: love with you, which is really sweet. And both of
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Speaker 1: them felt very much a kinship to his sisters, and
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Speaker 1: it was about what the sisters felt toward him that
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Speaker 1: really got their heart strings. Yeah, no, it was it
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Speaker 1: was such a like I remember watching Gabby meet the
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Speaker 1: family and how she was talking with the sisters and
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Speaker 1: then Katie, and it was like, usually there's like I
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Speaker 1: feel like there's more of an outlier with the family too.
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Speaker 1: Oh for sure, Well with both you know, that made
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Speaker 1: me even more torn. So I went into this episode
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Speaker 1: thinking he was going to be Katie, and throughout this
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Speaker 1: episode they kept giving me little inkluings that it could
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Speaker 1: be Gabby. So that's why I really loved this episode
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Speaker 1: and kept me interested throughout the entire time. With Gabby,
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Speaker 1: his dad talked about how he basically like barely made
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Speaker 1: it out of the hospital as a baby, it's so sad.
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Speaker 1: That's crazy, you know, it's just do you think that
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Speaker 1: that's kind of something he would talk to her about?
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Speaker 1: But I mean, you know it's it's when he was
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Speaker 1: zero years old. Yeah, and with Katie, is there like
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Speaker 1: a moment that you were like, oh my, oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: I know he in the moment that Katie that Katie had,
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Speaker 1: she was just kind of crying with him, That's what
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Speaker 1: I was about to say. And the dad and she
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Speaker 1: just couldn't stop crying. And it was very sweet, I know,
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Speaker 1: emotional because of like the relationship that she never had,
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Speaker 1: like a dad figure, and she could see his dad
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Speaker 1: being part of, you know, the circle of men in
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Speaker 1: her life. She's really nice. And then her mom, his mom.
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Speaker 1: I felt like, really there was something so comforting about
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Speaker 1: his mom that she was able to just kind of
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Speaker 1: be emotional and just be very comfortable with both of them. No,
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Speaker 1: they both seemed like really good fits. And that's I
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Speaker 1: remember seeing his family in that date super early on
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Speaker 1: in the season and thinking like I would be so
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Speaker 1: intimidated like going on a date with the family that
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Speaker 1: really but they were just so nice. But I don't know,
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Speaker 1: I think when Gabby was talking to his sisters, and
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Speaker 1: it was like the way that I love your brother. Like.
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Speaker 1: She wasn't saying like how she's like falling in love
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Speaker 1: like she was like, oh the things I love about
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Speaker 1: him And you could just tell like in those moments.
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Speaker 1: And that was crazy too, because right before that date,
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Speaker 1: it was like, oh, is she even gonna go? Is
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Speaker 1: she even gonna go on the date? Oh? Right, yeah
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Speaker 1: yeah with Gabby. Um yeah, I mean I figured she would. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but thank you for bringing up that conversation because she
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Speaker 1: had to address that be like just letting you know,
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Speaker 1: at the end of a last row ceremony, you basically
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Speaker 1: weren't looking at me. That was crazy. Yeah, And we
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Speaker 1: know that when Zack's not looking at somebody that he's
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Speaker 1: like pretty much over it. Yeah. So it was actually, Um,
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Speaker 1: I was actually surprised to see him make a turn
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Speaker 1: where it seemed like he was uncomfortable with somebody, but
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Speaker 1: he kept pushing through, and especially in that conversation, she
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Speaker 1: says to him, I want you to like I felt
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Speaker 1: like I was wearing a scarlet letter, but I don't
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Speaker 1: want you. I don't want to be like the object
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Speaker 1: that makes you like what was It just makes me
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Speaker 1: she said something about she didn't want to be the
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Speaker 1: reason for his pain. His pain, Yeah, like I don't
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Speaker 1: want to be like standing in the way, Like I
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Speaker 1: don't want you to feel Oh here she said an
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Speaker 1: accessory in the crime, Yes, which is such good. That's
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Speaker 1: just such a good way of putting it. Yeah. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: her in her saying that she felt like she was
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Speaker 1: in the scarlet letter like I can't I can't imagine that. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: she definitely handled herself very well there, and I was
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Speaker 1: so pleasantly surprised that he took it so well. That
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Speaker 1: was a moment to me where I was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: he really does love her, because it was the first
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Speaker 1: time that there was and I'm sure it happened and
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Speaker 1: we didn't maybe see it, but it was the first
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Speaker 1: time that there was a serious conversation with the girl
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Speaker 1: is addressing an issue that she had in his actions,
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Speaker 1: and he was like, oh, like what's let's find um,
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Speaker 1: let's let's let's talk this out. So that was another
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Speaker 1: sign where I was like, ah, Gabby, I think he
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Speaker 1: loves Gabby, but I really do think he loved both.
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Speaker 1: I do think that he was one of the situations
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Speaker 1: where it's like the bachelor loved both of them, and
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Speaker 1: he had to pick just one of the ones that
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Speaker 1: he loved the most. Absolutely right. He didn't make this
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Speaker 1: say did He said what he said the one that
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Speaker 1: he loved the most. And it just made me laugh
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Speaker 1: a little bit because because of Kelly Clayton season Yeah yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: So now it's time for Zach and Katie to go
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Speaker 1: on their last date. My sister and I were wondering
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Speaker 1: watching it, why we went from Katie's meeting the family
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Speaker 1: to Katie's first date, and why Katie's date was so short,
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Speaker 1: so short. They walked to a waterfall and that was it,
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Speaker 1: and then it was the nighttime and they sat on
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Speaker 1: a couch together and it was like three minutes and
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Speaker 1: that was it. I was thinking that perhaps they were
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Speaker 1: trying to get us to think that Gabby. Well, okay,
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Speaker 1: there's two things. One they could have wanted us to
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Speaker 1: get more attached to Gabby so we felt the heartbreak
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Speaker 1: more at the end, or they wanted us to believe
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Speaker 1: that Gabby could have been the choice more. What do
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Speaker 1: you think did you notice the shortness of the date
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Speaker 1: and the fact that we didn't really I didn't feel
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Speaker 1: anything there. I'm not saying that there wasn't like love
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Speaker 1: there AND's like we didn't There was no like grandios
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Speaker 1: moment where I was like, ah, magic, No, I did notice,
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Speaker 1: but I was more caught up on the fact that
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Speaker 1: Gabby want the family first and then her date was
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Speaker 1: after Katie Yeah, and I was like, wait, are they
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Speaker 1: not doing it the same day? Well, do you think
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Speaker 1: that possibly it was just edited differently so that yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we don't know what the order was.
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Speaker 1: Oh no, it seemed like Katie was second to meet
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Speaker 1: the family, right, so it was like, yeah, Kaby Gabby, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but we don't know the order of the actual date elements. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: for sure. And it was definitely and they're definitely not
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Speaker 1: on the same day. All though I knew was leaving
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Speaker 1: those solo dates. I was like, please lock this man
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Speaker 1: in a room for twenty four hours just by himself
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Speaker 1: and let him figure this out, because he needed to
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Speaker 1: figure out who he was thinking of the most, who
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Speaker 1: he was missing the most. Yeah. I really don't know
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Speaker 1: that he knew, but I don't know. I think I
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Speaker 1: was in Gabby's shoes. I think Gabby was like, there's
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Speaker 1: so many signs that say it could be being like,
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Speaker 1: but my gut keeps telling me it's not me. It's
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Speaker 1: not me, it's not me. And that's what I was feeling.
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Speaker 1: I was like, there are so many signs saying that
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Speaker 1: it could be her, but something is telling me that
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Speaker 1: he's going to pick Katie. Yeah. And then there was
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Speaker 1: that whole block of time which you're watching on the
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Speaker 1: West Coast. Did you have sound? Yes? During the date? Okay, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we missed ten minutes. I don't know what happened during
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Speaker 1: Gabby's date. During Gabby's date, so I feel like, I
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Speaker 1: mean kind of the same thing that happened on Katie's date,
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Speaker 1: because Katie got a little freaked out too, didn't she
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Speaker 1: just a little yeah on her date. Yeah, so Gabby
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Speaker 1: got really like freaked out because well, I got the
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Speaker 1: beach part. I got that beach part, I sit down
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Speaker 1: beach part. It was them like actually riding the horses
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Speaker 1: and stuff, which seemed kind of like filler content. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't, I don't remember exactly. Okay, it was totally
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Speaker 1: inconsequential and good thing that that was the part that
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Speaker 1: didn't have sound. Okay, yeah, yeah, all right, Well, so yeah,
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Speaker 1: not to skip over Katie's date. I just don't think
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Speaker 1: there was much to talk about. She was worried, she said, like,
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Speaker 1: it's just awkward there. They can't exactly have the most
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Speaker 1: fun when you're so worried about what's to come, right, No,
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Speaker 1: I know, And I felt like both of the dates
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Speaker 1: were that way. And I remember sitting there like, okay,
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Speaker 1: both of them are freaked out now, like both of
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Speaker 1: them have no idea, And he was even more confused.
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Speaker 1: I do believe he was confused because with the whole
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Speaker 1: thing that happened last week, why would he like risk
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Speaker 1: hurting Katie for someone if it wasn't like almost that's
20:36
Speaker 1: kept going back to, you know, So maybe he really
20:41
Speaker 1: didn't know. I don't know. We we definitely in our heads,
20:45
Speaker 1: just like Gabby. We're like, well, why would he tell
20:50
Speaker 1: Katie if he knew he was gonna pick Gabby? So
20:53
Speaker 1: that is having us one be like all right, Katie's
20:56
Speaker 1: to the front runner, or two he's truly torn. But
21:01
Speaker 1: in no situation are we thinking that Gabby is number one? Right?
21:05
Speaker 1: And Gabby herself is definitely not thinking she's number one.
21:08
Speaker 1: She keeps talking about the gut feeling, the feeling of
21:11
Speaker 1: second place, and then while sitting on the beach, he goes,
21:17
Speaker 1: You're not gonna want to hear this, but I really
21:23
Speaker 1: don't know who I'm gonna pick, and that whacks her out,
21:28
Speaker 1: and it would, of course it would. Yeah, he's kind
21:31
Speaker 1: of like just chilling. He's like just letting you know,
21:34
Speaker 1: I have two great living to choose from. I don't
21:36
Speaker 1: know who I'm gonna pick. They've had some rough conversations
21:40
Speaker 1: looking out at the water on the beach. She's probably
21:44
Speaker 1: got like PTSD from that. No, you know, did you
21:49
Speaker 1: have like what was your initial reaction while hearing him
21:51
Speaker 1: say that. I mean my mouth was just open because
21:56
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're not doing anything but scaring her. But
22:01
Speaker 1: is it better for her to be scared than to
22:03
Speaker 1: be totally shocked when it happened, he doesn't pick her.
22:06
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what's but honestly, like,
22:10
Speaker 1: I don't know what I would want in that situation.
22:14
Speaker 1: Probably did not know. I don't know, I don't know.
22:18
Speaker 1: It definitely ruins the moment. Yeah, I know, if you
22:22
Speaker 1: want to rest the day to go, well, you don't
22:25
Speaker 1: say that. And if you want to be I guess
22:29
Speaker 1: ridiculously honest and prepare her for I want to string
22:35
Speaker 1: anyone along. And so he said, hey, no promises, you're
22:38
Speaker 1: the top two, but I don't know. Oh so crazy,
22:42
Speaker 1: And then she rebound This girl goods. Dude does a
22:45
Speaker 1: great job at rebounding because then at the end of
22:48
Speaker 1: the night she's fine, and she's sort of fine. It's
22:51
Speaker 1: kind of like a reiteration of it though. It's kind
22:54
Speaker 1: of a reiteration of their conversation where she's like, I
22:58
Speaker 1: know that you need to make the decision. He's like,
23:01
Speaker 1: I wish I knew what the decision was going to be.
23:05
Speaker 1: It's so hard to figure this out. Um. He says
23:09
Speaker 1: he's so torn. The first time in his life he
23:12
Speaker 1: doesn't have a decisive feeling and we know that he
23:15
Speaker 1: is a decisive man. Um, And he just says it, like,
23:22
Speaker 1: you know, I'm taking this very seriously. Yes, yes, but
23:26
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, we know, we know. It's just so
23:29
Speaker 1: it's he said I can't make He's like, he said
23:32
Speaker 1: something about like I can't make that decision until I've
23:35
Speaker 1: like felt every moment or something like that, which is
23:38
Speaker 1: why I was like clock this then in a room.
23:41
Speaker 1: But then he's like, not having any moments. In my
23:44
Speaker 1: opinion was it he's not having any moments because he
23:47
Speaker 1: keeps talking about like because he out, yeah, yeah, there's
23:53
Speaker 1: your last date. I mean Katie, Katie's fantasy sweet date
23:56
Speaker 1: was all about what he wanted to tell her and
23:59
Speaker 1: not like a normal date moment until maybe later like
24:02
Speaker 1: what we saw. So it's like, gosh, well, you know,
24:09
Speaker 1: we have to admit that there's plenty of other conversations
24:12
Speaker 1: going on, and these are the conversations that they're choosing
24:14
Speaker 1: to show us. So these dates were hours and hours long,
24:20
Speaker 1: and these are like the fifteen twenty minutes that we're getting,
24:23
Speaker 1: and this is all about the decision, and it's a
24:25
Speaker 1: great TV. Gotta say, it's a great TV, all right.
24:28
Speaker 1: Then they bring Sean and Katherine out, and I've got
24:30
Speaker 1: to say I am not a fan of their new
24:33
Speaker 1: school way of doing this, where like a finale will
24:35
Speaker 1: be three hours long and it's like partially live and
24:38
Speaker 1: then partially you know, throwing it back to wherever they were.
24:44
Speaker 1: Next up, we see Sean and Catherine's basically just filler content.
24:49
Speaker 1: Sean is like giving shade about all of Sach's decisions,
24:54
Speaker 1: or like you gave a lot of advice. How do
24:56
Speaker 1: you feel about the way that Zach implemented this advice
25:00
Speaker 1: and like Sean keeps saying, well, he sucked taking advice
25:05
Speaker 1: the way I was intending for him to take it.
25:08
Speaker 1: And then you know, Katherine is sweet Katherine, and and
25:12
Speaker 1: then you know, and Sean is snark snarky Sean. They
25:16
Speaker 1: don't really there's not much. There's not much here and yeah,
25:19
Speaker 1: definitely just like filler because they've wanted Zach season to
25:23
Speaker 1: be modeled after a Sean season. This is just like
25:26
Speaker 1: the full circle moment. Yeah, it's like all the facetimes
25:31
Speaker 1: led to this and hopefully this I know, hopefully like this,
25:38
Speaker 1: this bachelor couple will be the only bachelor couple since
25:44
Speaker 1: Sean that will stay together, like the final pick will
25:47
Speaker 1: stay together, and like that's that's their hope and intention. Yeah,
25:50
Speaker 1: I know because Ari, although he's with Lauren, it was
25:52
Speaker 1: not his final pick on the TV show. No, that's
25:55
Speaker 1: actually crazy to think about. It is crazy, especially since
25:59
Speaker 1: we have lenty of bachelorettes who are married to their
26:02
Speaker 1: just hasn't even been a proposal in so long, I know,
26:06
Speaker 1: And that was exciting too to see it in Um
26:10
Speaker 1: so we haven't had a proposal. But what was so
26:14
Speaker 1: exciting was at an expense for Gabby's heart, seeing both
26:21
Speaker 1: girls come out of a car and walk down the
26:23
Speaker 1: little aisle up to the podium and see it's horrible
26:28
Speaker 1: to say, one person to get rejected in one person
26:30
Speaker 1: to win in the traditional sense of the show, just
26:33
Speaker 1: because it hasn't happened like that in a long time.
26:36
Speaker 1: And I do think it builds your emotion as a viewer.
26:39
Speaker 1: You feel worse for loses and you feel better for
26:44
Speaker 1: the person who gets who wins. It's just good for
26:47
Speaker 1: the viewers, but awful for the people involved. No, absolutely,
26:51
Speaker 1: it broke my heart when she was like stop, please stop.
26:55
Speaker 1: I know, I like saying everything I was thinking. It
26:57
Speaker 1: would just like stop talking, see me like a warning.
27:02
Speaker 1: What you're going to see is very sad. You see
27:08
Speaker 1: when she got out of the car, what she said,
27:11
Speaker 1: she was like, yeah, let's talk about this. Are we
27:13
Speaker 1: are we here yet? Yeah? I guess we're here yet,
27:16
Speaker 1: We're here? Yes? She was like, all right, what is
27:19
Speaker 1: the car gets out of the car and she gets
27:21
Speaker 1: muddy it. Don't let Katie when it actually matters when
27:25
Speaker 1: Katie gets here, Don't do that to her, it was
27:30
Speaker 1: so sad. It was so sad. We thought that it
27:36
Speaker 1: was Frank and Bitten for a second. You know what
27:39
Speaker 1: Frank and Bitton means when they put the voice of
27:42
Speaker 1: her saying that, like later, when she actually is like
27:46
Speaker 1: gone and putting it over because you can't exactly see
27:49
Speaker 1: her mouth in that situation because it's a far away shot,
27:52
Speaker 1: We're like, oh, maybe they just put it in there
27:54
Speaker 1: to show that she was so convinced in her gut
27:57
Speaker 1: that it wasn't her. But after you see what actually unfolds,
28:00
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, no, she definitely said that. When she's
28:03
Speaker 1: walking it to Jesse and says it too, and he's yeah,
28:06
Speaker 1: He's like, what are you expecting it? And she was like,
28:09
Speaker 1: I already know what's going to happen. I just don't
28:11
Speaker 1: want to admit it. Didn't it make you feel a
28:13
Speaker 1: little bit better that she was prepared for it? Yeah?
28:17
Speaker 1: Yeah I did. And I think she's just being honest
28:19
Speaker 1: to how she felt. And I feel like sometimes we
28:21
Speaker 1: see people in that position and they just like, don't
28:24
Speaker 1: say it, you know. But I think just having a
28:29
Speaker 1: peek into her mind made her a lot more relatable
28:32
Speaker 1: because I feel like so much people would be thinking that,
28:34
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, her doubt her insecurity made her really relatable. Yeah,
28:39
Speaker 1: it's one of those things that makes you want her
28:41
Speaker 1: to be bachelorette. So she walks down the aisle, walks
28:46
Speaker 1: up to the podium for a second. As he's like
28:50
Speaker 1: smiling and saying really nice things, I say to my sister,
28:53
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what if they're faking us out? What
28:56
Speaker 1: if like the first time in a long time, they're
29:00
Speaker 1: going to put the proposal first and then they'll the
29:05
Speaker 1: dumping second. And then I'm thinking that we're all gonna
29:08
Speaker 1: be so surprised, and I had this glimmer of hope
29:12
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I'm really rooting for it
29:13
Speaker 1: to be Gabby as the pick. And that is not
29:16
Speaker 1: how it went. And then when the conversation turned yes,
29:19
Speaker 1: it was heartbreaking when she was just like, no, don't
29:22
Speaker 1: want to hear it. Don't want to hear it because like,
29:23
Speaker 1: and he was like, you deserve love, but you deserve
29:25
Speaker 1: love from somebody that really like that'll pick you first
29:30
Speaker 1: all and then he had to say pick you first,
29:33
Speaker 1: like her whole thing is about being picked second. Uh,
29:38
Speaker 1: And then you know he's thinking in his head. The
29:41
Speaker 1: producers are gonna kill me if I don't go through
29:43
Speaker 1: this entire speel. I gotta say my stuff. And she's like, no, no, no, no,
29:49
Speaker 1: And I think we are all like, I think we
29:52
Speaker 1: can all relate in that moment. We're like, yeah, we
29:53
Speaker 1: don't need to hear your pleasantries. Okay, no, absolutely yeah,
29:59
Speaker 1: and then you now she's like, you don't have to
30:00
Speaker 1: walk me to the car. She gets in the car,
30:03
Speaker 1: and she definitely ends up having one of those moments
30:05
Speaker 1: where you know you're upset about one thing and then
30:08
Speaker 1: you start thinking about like your entire past, and then
30:11
Speaker 1: you're like sobbing and being like I am unlovable and
30:14
Speaker 1: nobody will ever like me and nobody will ever pick me.
30:19
Speaker 1: And she's just obviously you know, it's not just Zach
30:21
Speaker 1: in that moment, and I'm like, oh, Gabby, come on,
30:24
Speaker 1: come on, no, no no, no, this is She's like, I
30:28
Speaker 1: want to know, like how I could have been better,
30:30
Speaker 1: how it could have been me? What can I do?
30:33
Speaker 1: I'm like, girl, no, no, no no, no, no, it's just
30:37
Speaker 1: that there's somebody else that's a better fit for him.
30:41
Speaker 1: You are perfect as you are. It's just a matter
30:44
Speaker 1: of finding the perfect fit for you. I was like,
30:46
Speaker 1: don't make this now, you not being enough? You are enough,
30:51
Speaker 1: You are such a prize. No, and it sucks too because,
30:55
Speaker 1: like in that moment, Zach was the last person she
30:57
Speaker 1: wanted to hear that stuff from. Like She's like, I
31:00
Speaker 1: don't want to know that you think I'm great? Like
31:01
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, like you know, because it's easier to
31:04
Speaker 1: believe that, Like these things you believe about yourself are
31:07
Speaker 1: the reasons. But No, that was just it was so
31:14
Speaker 1: sad to watch my hands are like on my face.
31:18
Speaker 1: Can you remember the last time that you felt something
31:20
Speaker 1: like that watching this show? Probably with Brandon's Honestly, sorry,
31:28
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say I was literally in a
31:31
Speaker 1: hair salon getting my hair done and I was watching it,
31:34
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, could you ever
31:38
Speaker 1: imagine that would be your fiance? No, it would have
31:42
Speaker 1: been weird to think, like sitting right there like seeing
31:45
Speaker 1: into the future. Strange. I'm thinking years back right now,
31:51
Speaker 1: and Brandon is the only other name in my head
31:53
Speaker 1: that like that. Oh my gosh, poor guy. But look
32:00
Speaker 1: what happened magic all right. So what I don't like
32:14
Speaker 1: now is this this back and forth between the live
32:18
Speaker 1: moments and the taped moments, because I really think that
32:21
Speaker 1: what happens between Zach and Gabby on stage, just like
32:25
Speaker 1: the fact that Gabby has, you know, twenty minutes on stage,
32:29
Speaker 1: it takes away from the proposal to come because then
32:33
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it becomes a big Gabby show
32:37
Speaker 1: and you're feeling really bad for her. You're very focused
32:42
Speaker 1: on her pain and not focused on like the love
32:45
Speaker 1: and the love right, so even when they flash to
32:50
Speaker 1: the proposal moment, you're like, I'm not ready for this now,
32:54
Speaker 1: like we're exactly which is why I need them to
32:59
Speaker 1: go back to the regular format where we saw the
33:02
Speaker 1: whole two hours of the tape show and then we
33:06
Speaker 1: went to the finale. When was the last time it
33:08
Speaker 1: was the live finale? A long time ago? Because I
33:11
Speaker 1: think the first time that they did this format, I
33:15
Speaker 1: want to say, was Colton season. Okay, I'm not one.
33:20
Speaker 1: It's a bit about five years. Yeah, yeah, you probably
33:23
Speaker 1: always did it this way and that just made you
33:26
Speaker 1: be like, it made you, i don't know a little
33:33
Speaker 1: bit more on pins and needles, and it just made
33:38
Speaker 1: you feel it, feel it pure. It made it feel
33:41
Speaker 1: it pure. Well because you're like seeing it all and
33:43
Speaker 1: then like waiting to see like what happens. I always
33:47
Speaker 1: think it's kind of like thinking of like if the
33:51
Speaker 1: proposal did go first, it would like ruin the rest
33:53
Speaker 1: of the day for the bachelor, I know, which is
33:56
Speaker 1: obviously your happy moment, and then you have this like
33:59
Speaker 1: awful moment having to break up with someone, and so
34:01
Speaker 1: it's like, I wonder if it's kind of like the
34:03
Speaker 1: same of course, yes, um, yeah, I guess, but like
34:09
Speaker 1: you're able to feel like all the like sequential feelings,
34:12
Speaker 1: and I guess you're able to feel like anyway with
34:16
Speaker 1: this manner, maybe they's more sequential. It's actually more sequential
34:20
Speaker 1: doing it like this. They don't want us to feel
34:22
Speaker 1: like it's resolved, so we'll like want more from like
34:25
Speaker 1: whatever pain we see. But we're like, oh, I want
34:28
Speaker 1: to see this person like live out like their happiness,
34:31
Speaker 1: like the person that gets really hurt. Maybe it's so
34:34
Speaker 1: that you're like ready to see them like in another season. Somehow,
34:37
Speaker 1: I don't know. No, you're right, I think I'm not
34:40
Speaker 1: making sense now because I think the way that they
34:42
Speaker 1: do it makes the most sense actually, but somehow also
34:47
Speaker 1: bonds you more to the runner up which is why
34:49
Speaker 1: it would be great. You're like setting up whoever's ups
34:52
Speaker 1: next exactly if the runner up was the bachelorette, this
34:57
Speaker 1: would be amazing. Then like you do this sad thing.
35:00
Speaker 1: Why'd you make us sad for no reason? Yeah, they
35:03
Speaker 1: make you really sad. And then they're like, Okay, now
35:06
Speaker 1: you're the bachelorette. Then you're you're you're stepping into the
35:09
Speaker 1: happy territory, and then we go on to the proposal
35:12
Speaker 1: and it's all great, Yeah, maybe it's just a parad
35:15
Speaker 1: We'll have like a paradise hope for Yeah, gotta have
35:19
Speaker 1: a paradise helpe for Gabby. She will be princess first sand,
35:24
Speaker 1: first foot on the sand in paradise. So before we
35:27
Speaker 1: get into the proposal, Serene, we have to talk about
35:30
Speaker 1: the actual conversation that happens between Zach and Gabby on
35:34
Speaker 1: the stage. We knew it was going to be emotional. Um,
35:39
Speaker 1: Gabby basically is the big there's called big drama lines,
35:43
Speaker 1: one of which she said that it wasn't until watching
35:48
Speaker 1: on live TV that she found out that he told
35:55
Speaker 1: people other than I didn't know what that meant. Well, okay,
35:58
Speaker 1: my sister and I rewa we couldn't figure it out.
36:01
Speaker 1: He goes. She goes, I didn't know until last week
36:04
Speaker 1: that you told everybody. And I was like, wait, what
36:09
Speaker 1: do I have to go back and watch last week
36:12
Speaker 1: scene where he came in and said, Hey, just letting
36:14
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm gonna tell I'm gonna tell the girls,
36:17
Speaker 1: because in that scene, I believe he said I'm gonna
36:22
Speaker 1: tell the girls, right Yeau. She said that she was
36:26
Speaker 1: very hurt that he that the whole nation knew, because
36:31
Speaker 1: she was led to believe that maybe they wouldn't. Maybe
36:35
Speaker 1: maybe she thought he meant he was gonna tell I
36:39
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe privately, like in the fantasy suite or something,
36:43
Speaker 1: because she yeah, she did say she felt like her
36:46
Speaker 1: choice was taken away and like violated that like all
36:49
Speaker 1: of America knew her business. Yeah, and it was like
36:54
Speaker 1: I would be embarrassed as well, Like I know my
36:57
Speaker 1: sister was like I wouldn't be embarrassed. You know, they
36:59
Speaker 1: went to the fantasy sweets. It's assumed. Now, I go,
37:01
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a total difference between it being
37:03
Speaker 1: assumed and like everybody like just hearing hearing it that
37:07
Speaker 1: had happened. Yeah, and she I think in that moment,
37:10
Speaker 1: I was watching it with Brandon and we both looked
37:13
Speaker 1: at each other like, oh my gosh. She was like,
37:15
Speaker 1: I was brushing my teeth. You came up behind me.
37:18
Speaker 1: That's my head. Yeah, and then you said this is
37:22
Speaker 1: between us. This stays between us. And so it's like
37:27
Speaker 1: she felt like blindsided, but because he went out of
37:30
Speaker 1: his way to be like, hey, like, don't worry about this,
37:33
Speaker 1: which that like made it so much worse. Right, So
37:37
Speaker 1: that was Mike drop one and then Mike Drop two.
37:41
Speaker 1: We didn't really I didn't really understand. So one was
37:44
Speaker 1: that that night she was they were like, okay, between us,
37:48
Speaker 1: we're not talking about this. So betrayal number one is
37:51
Speaker 1: the fact that he goes tells the producers in an
37:54
Speaker 1: interview obviously that they did sleep together, and then once
37:57
Speaker 1: they find out, they're like, okay, well, now you need
38:00
Speaker 1: to go to her because I'm assuming it. It was again,
38:04
Speaker 1: we talk about it all the time. They're not going
38:07
Speaker 1: to force you to do anything, but they will guide you.
38:10
Speaker 1: And absolutely, I think in that moment the guilt got
38:15
Speaker 1: to him. He said in interview he told some producer
38:19
Speaker 1: he may have very well just like made the decision
38:22
Speaker 1: and been like I have to I have to go
38:25
Speaker 1: and tell Katie now. And then they're like, all right,
38:28
Speaker 1: well then you're gonna have to go in the room
38:30
Speaker 1: and tell Gabby that you're gonna tell Katie and then
38:34
Speaker 1: like so that's just just like just awkward. Decision Number
38:37
Speaker 1: one is that he like told somebody after the fantasy
38:41
Speaker 1: suite about their private business. When he told Gabby in
38:45
Speaker 1: the moment he wasn't going to do that. That betrayal
38:49
Speaker 1: is big, you know it is. And I also felt
38:53
Speaker 1: bad because I remember in that moment, I was like, well,
38:56
Speaker 1: he's coming and smiling, so it looks like he's really
38:59
Speaker 1: really really good news, Like he came after the date,
39:02
Speaker 1: and so she's probably like, oh, this is either really
39:05
Speaker 1: really good or really really bad. Yeah, but it looked
39:08
Speaker 1: to be really good because he came up like laughing
39:11
Speaker 1: and joking with her and stuff, so she was probably like, oh, like,
39:15
Speaker 1: I'm I'm doing great, like probably the only one here. Yeah,
39:21
Speaker 1: and one of those and one in those moments you're right,
39:24
Speaker 1: so they're good or good or bad. So that's what
39:29
Speaker 1: trail number one. And then but trail number two we
39:31
Speaker 1: can't quite figure out because says Okay, I'm so glad
39:35
Speaker 1: that you're confused, because we were really confused too. We
39:39
Speaker 1: kept trying to come up with different interpretations of it.
39:41
Speaker 1: And when she says, um, you told I didn't know
39:48
Speaker 1: until last week that everybody knew. My thought the only
39:53
Speaker 1: sense we can make out of it was that she
39:55
Speaker 1: told that she expected him to tell Katie in the
40:00
Speaker 1: fantasy suite in private. But then I wonder what did
40:05
Speaker 1: she think that the cameras were doing in that room
40:08
Speaker 1: when he told her? When he told her that the
40:11
Speaker 1: intentions of telling Katie, maybe she just, you know, you
40:17
Speaker 1: kind of forgets us here there. Yeah, maybe she was
40:21
Speaker 1: just like, oh, you know, we're not in a fantasy suite,
40:23
Speaker 1: so the cameras have to come with us everywhere. Yeah,
40:25
Speaker 1: he's coming to tell me that we're getting engaged. Obviously,
40:30
Speaker 1: the best point of action would have been like, yeah, okay,
40:34
Speaker 1: you could tell Katie if Katie will one, if Katie
40:37
Speaker 1: wants to know, which Katie didn't even want to know.
40:39
Speaker 1: But two you could have told her in the privacy
40:43
Speaker 1: of the fantasy suite and just not wrecked everything. If
40:46
Speaker 1: you really needed to relieve your guilt of it and
40:49
Speaker 1: her date wouldn't have been wasted, he exactly, Katie would have.
40:55
Speaker 1: It just would have been so much more tasteful because
40:57
Speaker 1: in that way he would have gotten rid of the guilt,
41:00
Speaker 1: because that was everybody's thing. Was like, he sacrificed her
41:04
Speaker 1: to feel better about himself and like to not and
41:06
Speaker 1: it was such a selfish move. But at least if
41:09
Speaker 1: he had told Katie in the privacy of fantasy suits,
41:12
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been this big thing where she was
41:15
Speaker 1: wearing the scarlet letter because Katie, the only person that
41:19
Speaker 1: he really needed to tell in his own psyche, would
41:22
Speaker 1: have known the whole world quote quote the three million
41:26
Speaker 1: people all it's the show. What wouldn't have had to
41:30
Speaker 1: know exactly? No, I agree again, this is a TV
41:35
Speaker 1: show and we all don't know how to navigate it perfectly.
41:39
Speaker 1: You think, Hubert, you're doing the right thing in one moment,
41:42
Speaker 1: and you're realizing as it's unfolding, you probably made a
41:44
Speaker 1: huge mistake. I'm like, you didn't have to tell anyone anything.
41:49
Speaker 1: He could have made that decision, and like you don't
41:52
Speaker 1: have to explain yourself, you know. Yeah, all right, So
41:55
Speaker 1: let's move on to the actual proposal. Now, do you
42:01
Speaker 1: Katie looks beautiful. Um, everything is you know, his speech,
42:06
Speaker 1: her speech is beautiful. He starts out strong until he
42:11
Speaker 1: tries to do the twist, right, he has the twist line,
42:15
Speaker 1: and every every bachelor must do the twist line to
42:17
Speaker 1: throw them off to get that little disappointed reaction until
42:22
Speaker 1: they flip it and be like, but Katie, you are
42:24
Speaker 1: the one. So what happens is that instead of just
42:28
Speaker 1: doing like the however, you know, it's usually like so
42:30
Speaker 1: and so I love you so much. However, We've had
42:33
Speaker 1: some struggles throughout the time. It's never been an a
42:35
Speaker 1: DG journey. But I have got to say you're the one, right,
42:38
Speaker 1: But sackos like this, Katie, I love so in love
42:45
Speaker 1: with you lalla um. But I can no longer say
42:49
Speaker 1: then I'm falling in love with you. With you, I
42:55
Speaker 1: can now say that I am so in love with you.
42:58
Speaker 1: This girl foe doubt and we all kind of freaked out.
43:02
Speaker 1: That was too much, too much, absolutely ridiculous. I was like,
43:07
Speaker 1: there's no way he's about to do like let her live,
43:10
Speaker 1: let her have some peace now finally, And at first
43:14
Speaker 1: one second, I was like, Oh, he's not gonna pick
43:17
Speaker 1: either of these girls. That's a real twist. He's like,
43:21
Speaker 1: actually I sent someone home of that. I can't stop
43:24
Speaker 1: thinking about. Yeah, yeah, no, I think he freaked us
43:28
Speaker 1: all out. Great. Great, the producers were so proud of
43:33
Speaker 1: him though. They're so proud of him. And now we
43:46
Speaker 1: go to Katie and Zach on stage in public as
43:51
Speaker 1: a couple for the first time. They look good. It's good.
43:54
Speaker 1: It's good stuff. You know, normally you look for the
43:57
Speaker 1: bad body language, you look for the insecurity. I didn't
44:01
Speaker 1: see it there. It seems like they're strong. No, I
44:03
Speaker 1: didn't either. I felt like, like, right before it showed
44:07
Speaker 1: Katie coming on stage, I was like, is he like
44:09
Speaker 1: nervous or is he like sad? Like did something happen?
44:12
Speaker 1: And then like his whole face just like ship. So
44:15
Speaker 1: I think maybe he was just like excited, like thinking okay,
44:18
Speaker 1: like literally in a couple of minutes were we're going public. Yeah,
44:22
Speaker 1: could be. It was really cute. It was cute. I
44:24
Speaker 1: feel good about them. They're keep putting the wedding in
44:28
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. They are she's twenty seven, he's twenty six.
44:32
Speaker 1: When you think about it, it seems far away for bachelination, right,
44:35
Speaker 1: You're like you're gonna wait two years, but it's really
44:39
Speaker 1: not that because we said twenty twenty four and then
44:42
Speaker 1: it turned twenty twenty three, so that we were like, okayehatly, Yeah,
44:47
Speaker 1: it's actually pretty normal. So they're going to give themselves
44:50
Speaker 1: a year to date and then a year to like
44:52
Speaker 1: plan the wedding. And they live in Austin, and I
44:55
Speaker 1: just feel like that the two of them already living
44:58
Speaker 1: in the same place is going to give them such
45:02
Speaker 1: an upper hand to a lot of batchelor. And you
45:04
Speaker 1: can speak to that as you guys had to adjust
45:06
Speaker 1: to a new place in a new place together. Us
45:10
Speaker 1: yea of us had to go to a new place together,
45:12
Speaker 1: and so I could imagine like both being from the
45:14
Speaker 1: same city and like, yeah, hum, let's see anything else
45:21
Speaker 1: that was worth mentioning the why do you think you?
45:25
Speaker 1: Nate was there? I think that maybe they're just friends.
45:31
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I know he's really close to
45:32
Speaker 1: Tyler too, so I don't know. I felt like it
45:36
Speaker 1: would have been maybe they're just like really close friends
45:39
Speaker 1: or something. I guess. Do you have anything else to
45:42
Speaker 1: say about the two of them together? The only thing
45:45
Speaker 1: I can think of is it's just it's so funny,
45:48
Speaker 1: like this is like the first couple I've scenes since
45:50
Speaker 1: like I got engaged, and it's literally the same stuff, Like, oh,
45:54
Speaker 1: they were so excited to just go on a date,
45:56
Speaker 1: like you forget, Like how weird that is that little
46:00
Speaker 1: bubble that you're in that you can finally come out
46:03
Speaker 1: and just like go on a date and stuff. But
46:05
Speaker 1: they're also like moving in together. It's just it kind
46:08
Speaker 1: of took me back. That wasn't that long ago for me.
46:10
Speaker 1: They're all, yeah, I think I was actually surprised that
46:17
Speaker 1: they were together. That's what I think is the shocking
46:21
Speaker 1: moment to me, because I felt like after last week,
46:24
Speaker 1: they put us on this train that made us feel
46:29
Speaker 1: like he wasn't going to end up with the person
46:31
Speaker 1: that he picked. And I think social media added to
46:34
Speaker 1: that speculation hard one. There were the chicks in the office,
46:38
Speaker 1: those guys had like this theory, that crazy rumor, yeah,
46:43
Speaker 1: that he was with Katie and then they broke up
46:46
Speaker 1: and he was with Jess. Then I was like, I
46:50
Speaker 1: don't think he's random, though it felt too random that
46:54
Speaker 1: you're like it like it has to be true. There
46:57
Speaker 1: was that was like this is so outrageous, like who
47:01
Speaker 1: just made that up exactly, and riad really made it
47:05
Speaker 1: seem like she knew exactly what she was like. It
47:07
Speaker 1: was a reliable source. And then I started thinking, wait,
47:11
Speaker 1: they put Jess on like the podcast circuit. They had
47:15
Speaker 1: her on our podcast, they had another couple of others,
47:18
Speaker 1: and I'm like, so why would they have her quote
47:21
Speaker 1: randomly out of all the girls eliminated, have her go
47:26
Speaker 1: and make the rounds. It's so that she would stay
47:28
Speaker 1: fresh in our brains or something. I don't know. It
47:31
Speaker 1: worked out perfectly to where it sounded like something that
47:34
Speaker 1: actually might have happened. But that's why I was excited
47:37
Speaker 1: going into this. I thought there was gonna be some twist.
47:39
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I want bachelor couples to be together.
47:42
Speaker 1: Then we got the class sending instead, Yeah, we got it.
47:45
Speaker 1: I want the classic ending deep in my soul. But
47:47
Speaker 1: a little bit of me had fun throughout the week
47:50
Speaker 1: thinking that it wasn't that there was like some conspiracy theory, right,
47:53
Speaker 1: something crazy was gonna happen. And then I thought last
47:57
Speaker 1: week with social media as well, all three girls girls Aerial, Katie,
48:02
Speaker 1: and Gabby posted the one photo of themselves up during
48:06
Speaker 1: that Rose ceremony showing solidarity, which I thought was beautiful.
48:11
Speaker 1: The girls, you know, really showing that their friendship was
48:15
Speaker 1: very important and that they were all supporting each other.
48:18
Speaker 1: It was really nice. But there is a lot of
48:20
Speaker 1: speculation that if it ended up being Katie, she that
48:24
Speaker 1: was a sign that she'd broken up with him. I
48:28
Speaker 1: remember seeing that. I mean last week, literally all of
48:32
Speaker 1: the random clues were adding it, that they were adding up,
48:36
Speaker 1: that he don't know why somebody right, Yeah, no, it
48:39
Speaker 1: was adding up. And then we see that second like
48:42
Speaker 1: when it flashes from the proposal to you know, when
48:45
Speaker 1: they're supposed to be coming outstage and shows Zack and
48:47
Speaker 1: he's like looking down and he has a scary space.
48:49
Speaker 1: It was like exact like I could have made me
48:52
Speaker 1: believe anything last week. That's why I was really satisfied
48:56
Speaker 1: with this episode. It really kept us on a roller coaster.
49:00
Speaker 1: I kept us thinking like, oh man, they're gonna twist
49:02
Speaker 1: us here, They're gonna twist us there. And it brought
49:05
Speaker 1: a lot of high emotion. Yeah, it was one of
49:10
Speaker 1: the best finales I've seen in a long time. And
49:12
Speaker 1: then at the end, it gives us a classic happy couple,
49:15
Speaker 1: which hopefully they last because we need a bachelor couple
49:19
Speaker 1: to last. We got our Paradise couples. We're killing it.
49:22
Speaker 1: It's the main show, all right. Well that's the end.
49:31
Speaker 1: I can't believe it. That season was incredibly fast, and
49:36
Speaker 1: now we're up to a charity season, which who knows
49:39
Speaker 1: what it will bring. I'm excited to see that. I
49:42
Speaker 1: was annoyed at the brother's spin. You know why, because
49:45
Speaker 1: I thought that they should have put the brother in
49:46
Speaker 1: the sneak peak. They should put him into the cast.
49:50
Speaker 1: None of the guys will know that that's her brother,
49:53
Speaker 1: and they could put him in the cast. They never
49:55
Speaker 1: have to, like in the first of all weeks, you know,
49:58
Speaker 1: they have a nice conversations, there's never any real romance,
50:02
Speaker 1: which is why she eliminates him. But then he gives
50:05
Speaker 1: her all the scoop on all the guys. It would
50:08
Speaker 1: be so good, a stupid, stupid wig in the mustache.
50:13
Speaker 1: I hope that they actually do that, though, because didn't
50:16
Speaker 1: they do that with like Jesse's season or something with Jesse.
50:20
Speaker 1: I think I heard with Jesse's season there was like
50:23
Speaker 1: a girl that he undercover that like one undercover in
50:26
Speaker 1: his cat. I could be making this up. But I
50:28
Speaker 1: feel like I was like, that would be so juicy,
50:31
Speaker 1: that would be so fun. They need to bring that back,
50:33
Speaker 1: and I hope that they do this season and oh knows. Anyway,
50:38
Speaker 1: all right, well, Serene, thank you so much for joining
50:41
Speaker 1: us for this. It's been a lot of fun. I
50:45
Speaker 1: think we covered a lot. There's a lot to cover,
50:48
Speaker 1: and you are a great co host in doing so.
50:50
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. Oh my gosh, thanks for
50:53
Speaker 1: being here. We will see you next time because we
50:57
Speaker 1: have to talk about, you know, your private personal life,
51:00
Speaker 1: because it's no such thing as private life here right
51:02
Speaker 1: right here in restur nation, and we want to know
51:05
Speaker 1: all the things between you and Brandon. But we'll do
51:09
Speaker 1: that another time until next time. Follow my lead. I've
51:15
Speaker 1: been Ashley. Wait say it again, exactly, I've been Ashley.
51:20
Speaker 1: I've been Serene. Thank you. I don't know how we
51:23
Speaker 1: came up with this tradition. It's quite ridiculous. Goodbye. Follow
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