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Crucial homestand ahead as Keller struggles and Gonzales shines · Bucco Territory: A Pittsburgh Pirates Podcast

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everybody?
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of Buco Territory, presented to
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  Speaker 2: you by the Foul Territory Network.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Noah Hiles, joining me.
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  Speaker 2: As always armor co host Platinum Key aka Mark and
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  Speaker 2: Josh Harrison.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a good show for you today. The Pirates had.
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  Speaker 2: A very productive weekend in our nation's capital, take two
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  Speaker 2: of three from the Washington Nationals, a team just ahead
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  Speaker 2: of them in the wildcard race.
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  Speaker 1: An overall winning road trip when.
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  Speaker 2: You consider that they also split with the Philadelphia Philly
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  Speaker 2: so four wins and seven games on the road. They
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  Speaker 2: return home where they will play their final six games
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  Speaker 2: in the first half of the season against the Atlanta
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  Speaker 2: Braves and Milwaukee Brewers at panc Park. This week, we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna talk about the big week ahead. We're gonna talk
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  Speaker 2: about a guy who's been struggling for the Pittsburgh Pirates
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  Speaker 2: and a guy who's actually struggling, not like Paul where
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  Speaker 2: even if it's bad, it's still pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: Mitch Keller.
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  Speaker 2: He's going to be the subject of a segment on
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  Speaker 2: today's show. And then of course we will end our
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  Speaker 2: Monday show how we always do with Mark's Platinum key
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  Speaker 2: of the week. But guys, really big week ahead for
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  Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Pirates. They're one game over five hundred. They're
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  Speaker 2: gonna be off today. This is Monday Show, But Tuesday
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  Speaker 2: Mark's the start of a three game series against the
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  Speaker 2: Atlanta Braves, a team who swept them about a month
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  Speaker 2: ago to the date.
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  Speaker 1: And then they will play the.
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  Speaker 2: Milwaukee Brewers, who, for my money, are the best team
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  Speaker 2: in the National League right now, right before you close
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  Speaker 2: out before the All Star break, anytime they play the
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  Speaker 2: Brewers right before the All Star break at panc Park. Josh,
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  Speaker 2: you know what series I'm thinking of in twenty eighteen,
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  Speaker 2: or though that was twenty nineteen where you weren't on
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  Speaker 2: that team, right.
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  Speaker 3: The five games.
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking of the five games, Sweet.
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  Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I just know in twenty eighteen,
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  Speaker 4: I think we did finish with them. We had ten
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  Speaker 4: games and nine days. We had a nine games, ten games,
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  Speaker 4: and it was a makeup game with.
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  Speaker 3: The Brewers over It was like a Saturday doubleheader.
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  Speaker 1: I think, yes, that was a five.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's we'll talk about that a little later off camera,
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  Speaker 4: something that we can bring up later as to what
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  Speaker 4: happened on those days.
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  Speaker 3: But that's for another day, okay, but I'll talk about.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, all right, Well, anyway, the Pirates.
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  Speaker 2: I remember I bring that up because that was a
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  Speaker 2: huge series back then, and that kind of that month
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  Speaker 2: of July was huge for your.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty eighteen buckos.
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  Speaker 2: It's the reason you guys ended up buying at the deadline.
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  Speaker 2: That momentum started to build, and that's the opportunity that
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  Speaker 2: exists for this Pirates team. They're playing fine baseball right now. Honestly,
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  Speaker 2: they probably should have had even a better road trip
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  Speaker 2: that they got a little bit better pitching, but the
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  Speaker 2: fact that they went in to two teams in the
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  Speaker 2: NL East who are ahead of them in the standings
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  Speaker 2: and had a winning road trip. Now they come home,
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  Speaker 2: they've got this is by far their most challenging home
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  Speaker 2: stand of the season. When you look at the combined
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  Speaker 2: records of these two teams, I'll just open up the floor.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, what is a successful showing here? Is it
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  Speaker 2: as simple as splitting and staying over five hundred, or
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  Speaker 2: do you have to win one of.
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  Speaker 1: These two series?
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  Speaker 3: Like?
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  Speaker 1: What are you looking to see from the Pirates. We'll
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  Speaker 1: start with Mark here.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think three and three is your goal.
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  Speaker 5: Anything better than that, you're going to be really happy
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  Speaker 5: if you're going four and too against two division winners
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  Speaker 5: and or two division leaders, I should say in the
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  Speaker 5: National League right now. So this is a huge barometer
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  Speaker 5: for where this team's at. If I'm Ben Cherrington or
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  Speaker 5: Bob Nudding, I'm going to be looking at this series
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  Speaker 5: and saying, are these upcoming two series? Are we a
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  Speaker 5: legitimate contender? Because these are two teams that are going
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  Speaker 5: to be in the playoffs for the National League? I
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  Speaker 5: would I think that's pretty safe to say both over
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  Speaker 5: fifty wins, you know, pretty good spots. So this is
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  Speaker 5: a great parameter to see where this team is at
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  Speaker 5: and how you stack up against that competition. Is it
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  Speaker 5: going to be worth it to go in and buy
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  Speaker 5: at this trade deadline? We know the pirates are planning
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  Speaker 5: on it. But if you go in, you go out
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  Speaker 5: five and one in this homestand I mean that is
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  Speaker 5: a clear sign to the front office that this is
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  Speaker 5: a team worth investing in. That's going to be a
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  Speaker 5: huge bolster to the standings right before the All Star break.
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  Speaker 5: It's a huge opportunity for this team. So yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: anything better than three and three I'll be happy with
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  Speaker 5: anything less than that. It feels like it's going to
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  Speaker 5: be a wasted opportunity even though there are two really
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  Speaker 5: good teams. If you want to be a good team yourself,
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  Speaker 5: these are the type of teams you have to stand
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  Speaker 5: out and play well against and beat. Josh, what are
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  Speaker 5: your thoughts?
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  Speaker 4: Anything less than six and zero is unaccepted playing? I
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  Speaker 4: love it, No, But you know, obviously players are in there,
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  Speaker 4: and you know they want to win every game because
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  Speaker 4: ordless of it being close to All Star Break, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's just what you expect. But knowing what lies ahead
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  Speaker 4: of you with these two opponents, I don't think it's
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  Speaker 4: unfair to say if you were to finish five hundred,
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  Speaker 4: three and three, I think anybody would say against two
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  Speaker 4: worthy opponents like this, if you're if you're hoving around
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  Speaker 4: three and three, that means you got an opportunity to
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  Speaker 4: be foign two over the home stand.
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  Speaker 3: But the real kicker is how they is it Atlanta first? Yep?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So you have to take care of, you know,
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  Speaker 4: winning a series there if you can, because you know
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  Speaker 4: you have no real what's the word I'm looking for you?
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  Speaker 4: You really can't change the standings because you're not playing
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  Speaker 4: in the vision. You know, you got to hold your
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  Speaker 4: end of the bargain. But those ones against Milwaukee, obviously
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  Speaker 4: you can make up ground, but you know, it's a
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  Speaker 4: situation where you don't look too far ahead to say
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  Speaker 4: we have to do this this home stand. Take a
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  Speaker 4: one game at a time, especially against teams like this,
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  Speaker 4: because when you look too far in the future, you know.
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  Speaker 3: So times you don't focus on those key moments.
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  Speaker 4: You know what's ahead of you, and we know what
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  Speaker 4: this you know, we could mean heading into All Star break,
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  Speaker 4: heading into possible trade deadline a couple of weeks down
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  Speaker 4: the line, and as you said, Mark, they got a
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  Speaker 4: really good opportunity to continue to push forward and make
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  Speaker 4: a case to see how we stack up against these teams.
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  Speaker 4: And obviously we know what areas they need help in.
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  Speaker 4: But may give you a little bit more idea of okay,
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  Speaker 4: yes we are just this little piece away or you know,
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  Speaker 4: this piece of saying you know what, because as you said,
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  Speaker 4: you just came off of two teams that are ahead
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  Speaker 4: of you in a wild card and you went, you know,
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  Speaker 4: four and three over a seven game road trip, and
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  Speaker 4: those were on the road and now you're coming home.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you almost want to feel that you like
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  Speaker 4: your eyes better playing on home turf. So for there,
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  Speaker 4: I would say Mark, I'm not disagreeing with the three
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  Speaker 4: and three, but I would really like to say four
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  Speaker 4: and two, just because you got that individual opponent and
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  Speaker 4: you want to make sure that you can make up
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  Speaker 4: as much ground as you can.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the number on my mind is two. I think
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  Speaker 2: there's only one guy. No, no, no, no, not not the
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  Speaker 2: way you're thinking. There's only one guy making two starts
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  Speaker 2: in his home stand.
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  Speaker 1: His name's Paul Schemes. You need to win both of
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  Speaker 1: those games.
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  Speaker 5: And his start on Sunday is lined up right now.
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  Speaker 5: It would be Jacob Mizerowski, and that's great.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if it's against Cy Young or Nolan
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  Speaker 2: Ryan or Bob.
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  Speaker 1: Gibson or whoever else. Paul, this is your time.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of chatter going on from everyone in
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  Speaker 2: the baseball world. Shut them all up so you don't
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  Speaker 2: have to talk about it at the All Star break.
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  Speaker 2: If you're the best picture in the world. This is
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  Speaker 2: what the best picture in the world does when his
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  Speaker 2: team has a little bit of momentum going you throw
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  Speaker 2: gas on the fire and you say, get on my back.
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  Speaker 2: I got us. I don't care it's the Atlanta Braves.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care if it's the Milwaukee Brewers. I don't
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  Speaker 2: care if it's Jacob Mizerowski or Chris Sale or whoever
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  Speaker 2: the hell is on the other mound.
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  Speaker 1: If you're the best picture in the world, this is
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  Speaker 1: where you show it. So that that's my big.
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  Speaker 2: Takeaway is for this week, it's as good as you
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  Speaker 2: could ask for, as far as it set up for
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  Speaker 2: the Pirates in the sense where you're getting Paul twice
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  Speaker 2: and you're getting a pissed off Paul Skins.
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  Speaker 1: Some people think he's lost.
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  Speaker 2: Some people have suggested maybe optioning him and letting him
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  Speaker 2: get right, or putting them on the I l.
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  Speaker 1: I'm basically break.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I know what you mean.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's ridiculous, but that's this is his chance to
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  Speaker 2: shut it all up, to show that he's still the
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  Speaker 2: guy and end the damn losing streak. Now and it
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  Speaker 2: starts on Tuesday, and you get another You got another
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  Speaker 2: shot Sunday. The Brewers have had his number from pretty
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  Speaker 2: much his whole career, so I'm looking forward to covering
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  Speaker 2: those two games, because, like I said, there's never been
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  Speaker 2: more pressure on Paul Skins as a major League picture
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  Speaker 2: as there is this week. And if the Pirates can
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  Speaker 2: win those two, then you just got to win one
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  Speaker 2: more and you're guaranteed to be over five hundred heading
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  Speaker 2: into the All Star Break and you're guaranteed to be
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  Speaker 2: in the mix still. So my number for this one too,
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  Speaker 2: Paul Schemes gets to pitch twice, win both of those games.
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  Speaker 1: Figure it out from there on. All right, So we're.
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  Speaker 2: Gonna take a quick break. When we come back, we're
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  Speaker 2: going to talk about a guy who also needs to
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  Speaker 2: start winning on his start days. His name is Mitch Keller.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Mitch Keller has not been good. His last
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  Speaker 2: outing was on Friday. It was so bad that Tyler
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  Speaker 2: Callahan finished the game on the mountain for the Pirates.
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  Speaker 2: That's a position player for the uneducated, So that's not good.
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  Speaker 2: Mitch Keller just had a really bad year, guys, no
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  Speaker 2: way to sugarcoat it. His numbers on the season, he
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  Speaker 2: is and six with a five oh two earned run average,
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  Speaker 2: and it's it's not a fugazy five oh two.
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  Speaker 1: It's a legit.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you go month by month, and Mark has
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  Speaker 2: the Baseball Savant page up on the screen here, I'm
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  Speaker 2: just gonna do his month.
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  Speaker 1: Splits real quick.
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  Speaker 2: He had a three eighteen e R in March and April,
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  Speaker 2: which was good. May and June are typically Mitch's two
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  Speaker 2: best months every single year of his career, especially like
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  Speaker 2: in the last three four years. But this year May
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  Speaker 2: a five to five oh he earned run average, June
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  Speaker 2: a six two seven ERA, and then he's got a
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  Speaker 2: seven and a half earned run average in July and
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  Speaker 2: is just one outing. So my question isn't necessarily how
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  Speaker 2: do you get Mitch Keller right? Mitch Keller has been
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  Speaker 2: in the major leagues enough where he should be able
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  Speaker 2: to find those answers, or the people around him should
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  Speaker 2: be able to help him find those answers. I'm more
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  Speaker 2: thinking along these lines, how much longer do you let.
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  Speaker 1: Him fail before you demote him?
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  Speaker 2: Because, simply put, there is a better starting pitcher in
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  Speaker 2: the bullpen right now than Mitch Keller. His name's Carmen Magensky,
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  Speaker 2: and Mitch Keller is your highest paid player on the
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  Speaker 2: team this year. Mitch Keller is your most seniored pitcher
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  Speaker 2: on the team. Mitch Keller is a former All Star.
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  Speaker 2: Mitch Keller is a leader.
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  Speaker 1: But if Mitch.
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  Speaker 2: Keller is gonna have a high an ERA higher than five,
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  Speaker 2: maybe he'd be better off being a swingman for a
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  Speaker 2: little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Let him figure it out. I'll start with Josh.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, and Josh, I'm not asking you to call
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  Speaker 2: out a guy who obviously, you know, you share a
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  Speaker 2: clubhouse with and spring training back in your days with
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  Speaker 2: the Pirates.
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  Speaker 1: But more so, I mean, what's the process like there?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, is that something that they should consider if
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  Speaker 2: this slump, if you want to call it a slump,
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  Speaker 2: it's just been a bad year.
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  Speaker 1: How much longer does.
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  Speaker 2: He get to kind of figure this out where he
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  Speaker 2: gets demoted.
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  Speaker 3: Questions?
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  Speaker 4: But I think they're gonna give him at leash one.
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  Speaker 4: You're talking about a guy that was past year or two,
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  Speaker 4: been one of the more talked about arms as far
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  Speaker 4: as trade, you know, possibilities, which is how durable he is.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously his numbers aren't helping that case as far as
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  Speaker 4: trade or whatever the case may be. But it's a
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  Speaker 4: guy that's in a situation where nobody really I would say,
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  Speaker 4: foresaw is coming, but you know, you play this game
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  Speaker 4: long enough, you're gonna be hit on the channel a
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  Speaker 4: couple of times. And not making any excuses for Mitch.
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  Speaker 4: But looking a little further, you know, is this a
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  Speaker 4: situation where obviously, is it something that is mental where
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  Speaker 4: he's not pitching it, is he falling behind counts? He's
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  Speaker 4: not a guy that walks a lot of people. But
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  Speaker 4: is this something that obviously where his in game adjustments
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  Speaker 4: of game to game, is that something that he's struggling
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  Speaker 4: with with a new pitching coach. All these things that
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  Speaker 4: factor into your preparation. When your guy has done it
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  Speaker 4: for as long as you have, obviously everything is on
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  Speaker 4: you because that's that's what you do, that's your process,
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  Speaker 4: that's that's your craft.
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  Speaker 3: But there are also key moments that you know, you
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  Speaker 3: rely on that.
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  Speaker 4: Pitching culture, that hitting culture, you know, this bullpen catcher
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  Speaker 4: that has seen you in these moments of you know what,
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  Speaker 4: you know what, I just think you're you know, overthinking
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  Speaker 4: something or maybe the case, but uh, I.
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  Speaker 3: Think it's a situation where you gotta you got a
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  Speaker 3: guy that has.
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  Speaker 4: To figure it out, and I don't think demoting him
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  Speaker 4: is going to help because you demote him well, even
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  Speaker 4: in a in a bullpen. We've seen the time and
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  Speaker 4: time again the bullpen was the big issue, and now
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  Speaker 4: we're looking at starting pitching. I don't think starting pitching
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  Speaker 4: is something that you're just going to give up on
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  Speaker 4: because there's not many arms that's going to go out
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  Speaker 4: there and give you a Mitch is going to give you.
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  Speaker 4: Granted that has not gone well, we can all attest
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  Speaker 4: to that, but I honestly think as you're getting close
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  Speaker 4: to this All Star break, he might be a guy
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  Speaker 4: that may just need that quick All Star break, you know,
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  Speaker 4: reset and and my monitor, how he comes, monitors next
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  Speaker 4: start and see how it is. Because obviously they're playing
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  Speaker 4: for something, and not to say it, there's still somebody
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  Speaker 4: out there that may be willing to say, hey, we
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  Speaker 4: would trade for this guy. If you're thinking that Carmen
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  Speaker 4: may be better, and Mitch's like, I don't want to
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  Speaker 4: go to the bullpen, obviously it's a guy that that's
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  Speaker 4: gonna be a tough situation to ask him make can
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  Speaker 4: you go to the bullpen?
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  Speaker 3: When coming into this season, it was okay, you got Paul,
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  Speaker 3: you had Mitch.
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  Speaker 4: Those were the two and then you're like, Okay, we
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  Speaker 4: know you know the other guy's limits on innings and things.
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  Speaker 4: It just shows you how quickly things can change. But
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  Speaker 4: I'm a firm believer in you gotta trust the guy's
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  Speaker 4: track record. He's going through these struggles, and when you're
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  Speaker 4: in the team this situation, you wouldn't have thought that
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  Speaker 4: the Pirates would have been having struggles sitting in this
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  Speaker 4: and Mitch would be a part of the struggles.
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  Speaker 3: So I think they're gonna give him opportunity.
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  Speaker 4: But you had two three weeks before, you know, you
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  Speaker 4: got to make some decisions. So if it continues to
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  Speaker 4: trend the way it is, I could see them doing it,
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  Speaker 4: But I don't think they're going to do it before
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  Speaker 4: All Star break, and I don't think they're going to
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: do it right after.
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, Mitch Keller has earned a long leash
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: for this starting rotation. I think, Noah, you you mentioned
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: his leadership aspect. I think that's a really important thing
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: to consider with how you handle this whole situation. But
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: at the same time, there's only so much leadership a
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: guy can bring when he's also bringing the team down
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: with a five era over five that it's just unacceptable
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: and I think Mitch would be the first one to
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: tell you that as well. And the kind of scary
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: part about this is when you look at a statast page,
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: the under the hood metrics, I mean, it's not like
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: he's getting unlucky. It doesn't seem like it's just like
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: the defense is doing poor behind him. The expected batting average,
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: you see that two ninety two fourth percentile of MLB
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: that that's a lot of contact that's being made. You
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: look at the breaking breaking run values in the first percentile,
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: where he's basically got a fastball right now, and that's
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: all he really has to work with. And we've seen
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: Mitch give up base runners in the past. I mean,
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: his whip is just a little bit higher than it
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: was in twenty twenty five, but he's just not getting
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: any of the punch outs that you're seeing usually that
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: help get rid of those guys when they're on the bases,
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: get you out of those jams. And so yeah, it's
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: just he's had one start in his last six starts
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: where he's given up less than three year in runs. Yeah,
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: he's gone to the sixth inning or he's given you
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: six innings a couple times, which that helps this bullpen,
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: but it just has not been quality innings right now. Yeah,
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: and so it's really concerning for the level of investment
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: that this team has. We've seen Mitch Keller go through
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: struggles in the past and overcome them. I mean, he
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: was one of the worst pitchers in baseball just a
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: few years ago. Overcame that, battled, worked really hard, got
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: himself in a great position, and the stuff a big contract.
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: There's a reason why the Pirates gave him this money
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: because he's shown the this chad Innians eater in the past,
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: and then this year the results have just been really bad.
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: So I don't know, what do you think? No, to
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: wrap us up.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the thing that scares me about Keller is he's
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: always worse than the second half.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, like always. I'm looking at his career splits
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: His career hitters have a career seven to twenty ops
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: against him in the first half. It goes up to
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: eight twenty three in the second half. He has a
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: career ere era of five thirteen in the second half
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: of a season.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, that's that's the book I'm mitch.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: And like what I pointed out earlier is how May
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: and June Mitch Keller is like typically one of the
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: best pitchers in the National League, like you just go
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: through it, like from twenty three through twenty five, May
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: and June splits are fantastic. He had a really good
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: second half, I will say in twenty two that's kind
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: of when he figured it out, like what Mark alluded to.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: But in twenty three he kind of ran out of
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: gas just because they didn't have another pitcher in the
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: rotation that year who could log innings aside.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: From Ovi, and we all know how that ended up going.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: And then in twenty four and twenty five he was
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: He should have probably been an All Star in twenty four,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: and then the wheels fell off in August and that
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: really hurt the team because he couldn't cover the innings
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: they needed him too, and they had a whole bunch
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: of rookies who were on pitch limits around him. And
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: then last year, I don't think he was as bad
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: in the second half, but it was inconsistent. It would
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: be one good one, one bad one, two good ones,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: two bad ones. And so when I'm looking at how
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: he's trending right now, like you look at those under
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: the hood numbers.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: You look at just.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: His overall performance in the first half. This is the
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: worst first half of a season Mitch Keller's had since
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: he became the Mitch Keller that we I'll know. So
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: and when your reputation is you get worse as the
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: season goes on.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: That's why I think bulls.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: That's why when Josh says, like the idea of trading him, like,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: I haven't heard one single thing to suggest that it's
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: the lowest spending years, and they have tried to trade
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: him in recent years. But man, if someone wants to
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: take him, I wouldn't be opposed to it because you
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: get that money and you could probably reinvest that in
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: a better picture. You could probably Yeah, you could flip it,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: and I think they could be a better team if
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: he's going to continue playing like this.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: So I agree though with what Josh. If what Josh
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: said is true, like I think an All Star break
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: would do him well right now.
• 20:47
  Speaker 8: But man, but said Mark, you said, he's pretty much
• 20:53
  Speaker 8: limited to just a fastball right now, that right there,
• 20:56
  Speaker 8: if all you're throwing, If that that right, there is
• 20:58
  Speaker 8: a big tail if that's all you and you got
• 21:00
  Speaker 8: no secondary pitch, right now.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: And to go to those numbers of May and June.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: We talked about this early in the season with them
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: not letting him go deeper. Is that not allowing him
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: to stay at sharp? So now when you want him
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: to hitters are getting sharper as the season goes. So
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: sometimes maybe he's finding his struggle. Now I'm just thinking
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: outside the box, new pitching coach, all these different things.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Maybe it's a tale where after all Star Break he
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: flips it to say I had my bad August and
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: September this year. In May and June, who knows. But
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: as you said, they don't have much time. Yeah, they
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: don't have exactly. They don't have much time to sit
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: here and say, all right, you got to now because
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: if things continue to trend, you gotta do what's best
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: and make the team the best that you can.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: And if that's you know.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: Putting him in a bullpen's put him in a bullpen,
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: if that's trading him, or hey he figured it out.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: But that right there, it dawned on me when you
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: say he's limited to just a fastball, that right there,
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: any even your less than average big league or is
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: ready to hit a fastball, especially if it's not ninety
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: eight plus, So that right there is at a situation
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: of him not really having that past pitching coach that
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: was able to say, oh, you know what, you're missing
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: your grip or your mentality? Who knows this a lot,
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: it's so many things. But as you said, he can't
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: continue to trend this way because he's a guy that
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: they really relied on, and when one of those guys
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: isn't giving you what you thought you were going to
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: get makes the things a lot harder.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Kind of funny how every one of the pitchers got
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: worse this year home all right, we're going to take
• 22:34
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• 24:33
  Speaker 5: small favor, Yeah, yes, sir. All right, So this week's
• 24:37
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• 24:40
  Speaker 5: from this recent trip or away trip, and that was
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: Nick and Zalez, who has just been absolutely tearing the
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: cover off the ball. He's slashing in his last five games,
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: he's slashing five seventy one. He's gotten on base percentage
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  Speaker 5: a fourteen hundred and thirty five ops, twelve hits and
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: twenty one at bats, a couple doubles, a home run,
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: five RBI. Just really really helping this Pirates offense when
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: they are down O'Neil Cruz and Spencer Horwitz just I
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: can't express, I mean, how critical it is the season
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: that Nickensalz is having to this offense. We talked all
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: offseason about how the Pirates need to add at third base.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: They're two week there, that's the biggest hole on this team.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: Nickensalaz Sunday night, so this was prior to Sunday's game,
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: is being accumulated into his ward. He has a one
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: point five f War right now, that's more than Alex Bregman,
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: Matt Chapman, Bob Baschett, Noel Arnado, Manny Machado, Alec Bohm,
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: Austin Riley, Brett Batty. He is a top ten third
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: baseman in Major League Baseball for this first half of
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: the season. Yeah, he might be just smack like on
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: a really hot streak, but the value that he's provided
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: has just been insane. And that's even with his defense
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: being not that great. I just pulled up his stackast
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: page here. He's outs above average negative three this year,
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: fourteenth percentile, not good, but with his just what he's
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: doing with his batting average alone basically is providing such
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: great value. Yeah, he's not going to be slugging the ball,
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: but we'll leave that to the Brandon Lows and the
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: s Marlan valdes Is who are driving him home. And
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: so yeah, I just I'm so impressed with Nickenzals capitalizing
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: on this opportunity. And one last note, his base running.
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: No one really talks about it. He doesn't really steal
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: a lot, but he he does really well on the
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: bass paths. So one of those just underrated things that
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: I don't really ever hear anyone mentioning you have you know,
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: ONEO Cruz and kind of Griffin. It's easy to pay
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: attention to those speedsters, but he's in the seventh percentile
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: for speed as well. So really really like what Nick
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: and Zalez has been doing in is Age twenty seven season.
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: Here throw it over to you guys. What are your
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: thoughts on nicking Zalaz.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely don't disagree with it. I believe somebody
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: asked me that a couple of weeks back when I
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: was in Pittsburgh, like one of the U I guess
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: biggest surprises or somebody that I thought this season kind
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: of not flowing under the radar, but deserved it a
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: little bit more credit.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: And I said Nick Gonzalez.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: One earlier this year, before the season, I think we
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: talked about, you know, with when Connor comes up, you
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: know he's gonna be the eye man out and what
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: to do with NICKI G even had the comments of
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: you know, don Dk and Spring talking about the competition
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: with him and Triolo. It was just like a lot
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: of you know, is that you know, fuel to the
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: fire for NICKI G. And you know, I just saw
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: what I saw was a lot of my situation of
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: a knowing he was gonna make a team, but not
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: knowing where he was gonna play. That was my story
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: for three years. So it's nice to see somebody that's like, man,
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: I know I'm gonna play, I'm normal on the team,
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: but like I can play here, but put me wherever.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: I just want to help the team.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: And I think he's been a very instrumental part to
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: their success because, as you mentioned a lot of the names,
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: his team was built on offense. So for you to
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: talk about his third base, you know, defense, it's like, Okay,
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: it hasn't really harmed him. Yes, he's had some plays
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: here or there, but he hasn't also just strictly played third.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: He's bounced around, But I think he's been a.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: Bright spot, especially on the team that's had some injuries,
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: has had some pieces here there, moving, He's been a
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: guy that's been nice to just plug in, that's bounced around,
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: and it sees a lot of his opportunities. So I
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: don't disagree, because it's not easy to do what he's
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: been asked to do, and he's taking it on and
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: helping anyway.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Can Yeah, I mean Mark said, you know, and his
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: opening monologue there that it might just be like a
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: hot streak, but it's not. I Mean, this guy's fifth
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: and batting average in the National League, Like that's an
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: objective win for Nick and Zalez. I mean his OPS
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: is seven to sixty six, Like, that's that's a good OPS.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: That would have been the second best OPS on the
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: team last year. So I mean on this team, it's not.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: But this is the Nick and Zalez that the Pirates
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: took seventh overall. That was a top one hundred prospect
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: that due to injuries and just maybe some prolonged development,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: we didn't really see that happening at any point in
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: his major league career, And candidly, this was probably his
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: last chance to prove it. Like if you look at
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: where he was last at the beginning of this season,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: they traded for a second baseman who only had a
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: year of remaining control. But did Tamar coming up. Yeah,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: I mean this was a big time proven year for
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Nick and Zalez. I don't think he's necessarily proved that
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: he's the future at third base, but I think he's
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: proved that he's a future infielder for the Pittsburgh probably
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: second base next year after lows gone, which is where
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: he's much better defensively. But I mean, yeah, you just look,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: and I've always liked this about Nick and Zalez. When
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: he's on, he's so much more of an aggressive hitter
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: than really anyone on this team not.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Named Jake banngam So.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: And you see a lot of these other guys on
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: the team, they see a lot of pitches they watch.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: They're passive and it's not necessarily a bad thing, but
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: his low walk rate, it could be frustrating at times,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: but that throws the rhythm away from all of those
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: starting pitchers who are used to going okay, I can
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: get him to fish whoa hang on?
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: This guy's coming out of the gates.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: It's like when you're a boxer and you fight five
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: guys in a row who are just going to feel
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: you out for the first couple of rounds, and then
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: you fight Marvin Hagler and he's just coming out swinging
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: at you in the opening round and you're like, what
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: the hell's going on.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: That's what he does for this lineup.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: And it's working like they've constructed it very well, and
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: he and mang them both. I think the traditional type
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: of hitter you're looking for in twenty twenty six, but
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: when you pair them alongside guys who already gel well together,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: it can create headaches for pitching staffs, and I think
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: that that's why. It's not the primary reason, but it's
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: one of many examples as to why this offense has
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: been so consistent despite throughout times this year losing Brandon Lowe,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Ryan O'Hearn, Carter Griffin now Spencer Horowitz and O'Neil Cruz.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: No other Pirates team since Josh was here would have
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: survived that type of injury lives. But they've always been.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Consistent, save you know, a bad week here or.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: There, because they have guys who just click together and
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Nick Gonzalez is a big part of that.
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: And what you just mentioned nooah, where these aren't the
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: type of hitters that a lot of teams in twenty
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: twenty six are going after. We see this with the
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: Marlins this year, where there's zigging where a lot of
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: people's egged you know, the moneyball approach, or yeah, the
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: Rays as well, where it's getting a lot of these
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: contact guys and pairing them together and just playing small ball,
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: and because that's where the value is right now for
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: small market clubs. Everyone's paying for slugging, all.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Right, that's value for baseball. Yes, put the ball in play.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: He strake out a million times and hit thirty homers
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: and hit one ninety.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: That's fine, that's fine. Keep striking out. You got guys.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: As you said, it's a breath of fresh air. You know, hey,
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: this dude's putting the ball in play.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: And one thing my brother used to tell us, modest
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: brother when he coached in high school.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: He'd be like, there's no bad hops in the air.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: Granted you hit a pop up, yes, it can be caught.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: But it's like you put the ball in play.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: Yep, it can be lost in the son. Somebody can trip,
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: they can throw the ball away. You got speed to
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: couple that. Now you're rushing people. You hit a ball
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: in the gap, that's a single. You might get a
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: hustle double, or you might get the fielder to boot
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: the ball because he's worried about you know things, dud.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: Put the ball in play. It puts everybody on their
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  Speaker 4: toes when you put the ball in play. So when
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  Speaker 4: you say, you know, Nikki g mang them those guys,
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  Speaker 4: they are a compliment to the guys that aren't going
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  Speaker 4: to swing and miss, because now this guy is not
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  Speaker 4: swinging and missing as much and refreshing to hear that.
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  Speaker 5: Nick Dallas his last five games has one strikeout, Josh,
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  Speaker 5: Just to hammer that point home. He puts the ball
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  Speaker 5: in play quite a bit, so one strikeout to three
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  Speaker 5: walks and his last five games.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, putting the ball and play. Pay for them headphones.
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  Speaker 3: Putting the ball, Hey, putting the ball in play. Pay
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  Speaker 3: for these headphones.
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  Speaker 4: But something that you don't have to pay for, you know,
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  Speaker 4: is hitting that that butt.
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  Speaker 4: All Star break and keep it roll. It's kind of hot,
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  Speaker 4: so don't get the scully, but keep it. You might
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  Speaker 4: have some October baseball if these boys keep doing what
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  Speaker 3: You guys got anything.
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  Speaker 5: I I got nothing about you know anything, Josh.
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  Speaker 1: Harrison doesn't slump vacations.
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  Speaker 3: It's a.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't matter, doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: He's still He comes back off the the what would
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  Speaker 2: be the family and the yeah yeah, the fl FFL
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  Speaker 2: and he's and he's still in his prime, folks. That
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  Speaker 2: was a great transition again. But yeah, that's all I
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  Speaker 2: got for Platinum Key aka Mark and Josh Harrison. I'm
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  Speaker 2: the Ohio, signing off saying thanks for tuning in to
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  Speaker 1: Take care,