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S2E1 | A Grave Return · Tales from Incredible Tales

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  Speaker 1: And the next thing I know he was just here,
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  Speaker 1: his face was literally just beside me like you saw me, right?
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  Speaker 1: That kind of vibe.
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  Speaker 2: My name is
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  Speaker 1: you. My name is N my name is R. My
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  Speaker 1: name is W my name is K and this
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  Speaker 1: is Tales From Incredible Tales, a show where we look
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  Speaker 1: back at the popular media horror series. We are back
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  Speaker 1: for another season. Thanks to all of you guys out there,
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  Speaker 1: our fans. Um So we wanted to kick things off
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  Speaker 1: with a very special episode. We are joined this evening
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  Speaker 1: by not one but two guests. First, of course, there
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  Speaker 1: is the host of Incredible Tales throughout its 13 years.
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  Speaker 1: You welcome back.
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  Speaker 2: Hello. Hi guys. It's good to be back back in
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  Speaker 2: this environment and location. This is like I want to
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  Speaker 2: say it's a treat because we had mentioned this in
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  Speaker 2: the last season.
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  Speaker 1: We did. It's nice having very vocal fans, but sometimes
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  Speaker 1: they are a bit too vocal. So we're here now,
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  Speaker 1: we're
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  Speaker 2: here for you, see of all of you. And plus
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  Speaker 2: I'm here across
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  Speaker 2: NN
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  Speaker 1: N. Oh my God, I am I OK. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: freaked out by the location. I'm freaked out by him.
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  Speaker 1: Why? Ok. Um You, oh my good.
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  Speaker 1: So this episode is gonna be at least half of
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  Speaker 1: Anne just fanning herself. It's ok. We've got plenty of space. Um,
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  Speaker 1: just in case you guys forgot. Um, Ann is another
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  Speaker 1: returning guest from last season as well. Um, an is
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  Speaker 1: from true horror stories. Pov, the hit youtube channel featuring
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  Speaker 1: short POV videos based on or inspired by true events.
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  Speaker 1: It's good to have you back again. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: having me with a one
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  Speaker 1: and I know a lot of you listen to it
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  Speaker 1: at home in audio form, but this episode you have
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  Speaker 1: to watch on video. The reason being is that because
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  Speaker 1: we are on location, we are on location as requested
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  Speaker 1: by all of you. We are at Bukit Brown Cemetery.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So Bukit Brown Cemetery uh based on research is
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  Speaker 1: actually uh one of the oldest, if not oldest Chinese
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  Speaker 1: cemetery outside of mainland China. This cemetery is very old
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  Speaker 1: and it has a lot of history. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But I think it's really um interesting and random to
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  Speaker 2: still have this in Singapore. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Uh It feels as if we're not in Singapore. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And this is smack in the middle of town.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much so anyway, the reason why
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  Speaker 1: uh we, we are using our initials and all our
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  Speaker 1: names is because we are in the cemetery first and foremost.
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  Speaker 1: And uh we, we do have spiritual protection. We have help. We,
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  Speaker 1: we follow all the protocol. There's respect done, there's prayers done. So, ok,
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  Speaker 1: because we are still in the cemetery. Uh There is,
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  Speaker 1: uh
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  Speaker 1: there is a rule according to a certain religion is
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  Speaker 1: that you are not supposed to say the person's name
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  Speaker 1: in the cemetery, actual name. Uh If not, things will
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  Speaker 1: follow you back. So bear with us for this episode.
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  Speaker 1: We will try our best to use initials, you know. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, it's been a while since season one. So
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  Speaker 1: in case you have forgotten in every Tales from Incredible
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  Speaker 1: Tales episode, we explore a different theme and tie back
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  Speaker 1: to the classic Incredible Tales episode. For this episode, we
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  Speaker 1: have to talk about the Hungry Ghost Month. Uh This
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  Speaker 1: episode's theme was inspired by the aptly name, seventh month
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  Speaker 1: from season three on the seventh month. In the Chinese calendar,
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  Speaker 1: the gates of hell are opened and the dead are
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  Speaker 1: let loose. It is said that hungry ghosts are not
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  Speaker 1: to be taken lightly. And when a ghost is angry,
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  Speaker 1: beware after a young man doesn't show the proper reverence
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  Speaker 1: to a spirit. He and his loved ones have to
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  Speaker 1: pay the price.
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  Speaker 1: Well, my hair stands, I've seen this. I was the
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  Speaker 1: one who cut the clip my hair stand. It's different
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  Speaker 1: when you watch it on location, bro. Like it's different.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, now that we are here and you know,
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  Speaker 1: the fans knows that, you know, you and, and you
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  Speaker 1: both have that eye. How does it feel like to
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  Speaker 1: be here on set right here right now? Feels like home.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Um Cool. I'm actually very excited that you guys
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  Speaker 1: actually invited me here. Like seriously,
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  Speaker 2: I
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  Speaker 2: feel comfortable too because I think we have taken the
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  Speaker 2: precautions and everything. Yeah, and we are here out of respect.
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  Speaker 2: So now that we've established that then we we can
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  Speaker 2: just have a comfortable conversation to say,
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  Speaker 2: I need to say that. Yeah, I feel comfortable, I
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  Speaker 2: feel comfortable being with here with the rest of you
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  Speaker 2: and also being here with our other special guests.
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  Speaker 1: Have you guys like watched this episode before?
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  Speaker 2: Um
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  Speaker 2: I, I remember bits and pieces of the the episode.
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  Speaker 1: So what do you think of it like uh especially
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  Speaker 1: for the both of you, like, you know, you guys
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  Speaker 1: possess the third eye. So on Hungry Ghost Month, you
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  Speaker 1: will be a bit more livelier, right? Like a different,
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  Speaker 2: I think for me, it's not any livelier because I
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  Speaker 2: think um for me personally, I don't know if an
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  Speaker 2: agrees is that um it doesn't really matter what celebration
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  Speaker 2: or rituals or um I, I tend to have the
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  Speaker 2: same experiences. And I think in regards to the Hungry
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  Speaker 2: Ghost Month is because my parents are Chinese, you know
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  Speaker 2: Chinese that you so like in Thailand, uh fair amount
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  Speaker 2: of ties are
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  Speaker 2: from Chinese descent. So there is the whole celebrations and
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  Speaker 2: rituals that are done in, in Thailand as well. So,
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  Speaker 2: it's nothing that's foreign to me either.
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  Speaker 1: I agree
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  Speaker 1: with art. In fact, like, throughout the whole year it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter what happens, what whatever festival is going on. Right. We,
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  Speaker 1: when we see it, we see it. But I would
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  Speaker 1: say that I see some, I would see something a
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  Speaker 1: bit more different than usual. That's the thing. Yeah. And
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  Speaker 1: previously before
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  Speaker 1: I got into this horror thing, I didn't know what
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  Speaker 1: it was. I was like, thinking like, maybe it's my
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  Speaker 1: eyes playing trick on me. Then after that, when I
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  Speaker 1: confide in some of the more, um, well versed friends
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  Speaker 1: of mine and then they say, oh, do you see
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  Speaker 1: this during The Hungry Ghost? I was like, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think so. And then they say, oh, this is the,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, really? Interesting. Yeah. Speaking of that, uh,
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  Speaker 1: do you have any experiences during the seven months? I
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  Speaker 1: have two.
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  Speaker 1: Ok. I'm going to start with the more chill one. Ok. Ok. So, um,
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  Speaker 1: if you watch one of my videos, you better watch
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  Speaker 1: Night. Laundry was one of my earlier ones. Yeah. So
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  Speaker 1: if you can, if you actually watch it right, you
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  Speaker 1: can see that, uh, through my kitchen window, there's a
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  Speaker 1: big field down there and during the seven month they
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  Speaker 1: would actually set up a big cage for people to
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  Speaker 1: actually make offerings there. Right. So, there's this one time
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  Speaker 1: I was doing my laundry and then my husband was
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  Speaker 1: telling me, hey, you better not do that because it's,
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  Speaker 1: they are burning,
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  Speaker 1: you know. So, um, it's better for us to use
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  Speaker 1: the dry instead. So I was like, no, no, it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna end soon. It's gonna end soon. That's why I
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  Speaker 1: told him. Then I pee outside the window and I thought, oh, no,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of people still gathering around the fire.
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  Speaker 1: So I told him, oh, no, no. Ok, you're right.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of people, I mean, I think the
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  Speaker 1: thing is gonna still last maybe one or two hours more.
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  Speaker 1: Then he went to the window and he was like, ok, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just bring everything in.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, ok, what's going on? So I just
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  Speaker 1: followed him into the master bedroom, closed everything and then
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  Speaker 1: he said, babe, there's no one at the fire.
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  Speaker 1: Literally there is no one. And then when I said,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that I think again, right? The people
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  Speaker 1: that I saw slightly taller than usual, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: the cage is really huge, you know, because beside my house,
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  Speaker 1: the field is really like a big field. So it's
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  Speaker 1: not those tiny cage, not those small containers, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's really a big cage. So I saw the people
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  Speaker 1: proportionate to the size of the cage. So then I realized,
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  Speaker 1: oh yeah, should, then
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  Speaker 1: I asked my husband, oh my God. Did I just
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  Speaker 1: acknowledge it or something? And he said no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: let's just do our prayers and hope that nothing happens. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So we closed our windows and thank God nothing happened.
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  Speaker 1: So this is the more chill encounter. But I just
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  Speaker 1: want to ask you, is it, is it really, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: based on your knowledge, is it like really the height?
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  Speaker 1: I think it depends, it really depends. It's like
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  Speaker 1: they can morph into anything honestly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be an optical illusion. Like, because of
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  Speaker 1: the distance, like if you are high floor, it could be,
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  Speaker 1: it could, it could seem like they are the same height. But,
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  Speaker 1: but I think it doesn't matter if they are the
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  Speaker 1: right height or not because your husband didn't see any
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  Speaker 1: and you are crowd around the fire. That's why there
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  Speaker 1: is a saying, I think I'm going to give a
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  Speaker 1: lot of pro tip, seven month, pro tip. Don't look
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  Speaker 1: into the fire when people are burning. You might see
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  Speaker 1: different things. Even the incense incense. Ok. But I just
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  Speaker 1: don't know
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  Speaker 1: into the fire during summer because you might see, I
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  Speaker 1: did that. I was like, oh cool fire. It's different for, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So for us, I was like, wow, was that cool?
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  Speaker 1: The fire is so big now, I didn't know about that.
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  Speaker 1: This is just interesting because I mean, we live in
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  Speaker 1: a very small country where we have multi race, multi,
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  Speaker 1: you know, different races living together. So
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  Speaker 1: we learn all this and we get to know what
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  Speaker 1: we should do and what we should not do, especially
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  Speaker 1: during this kind of period of time. So hence we
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  Speaker 1: have to respect each other
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  Speaker 2: during like this, the Hungry Ghost Month I think for
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  Speaker 2: me is not being able to separate what I see
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  Speaker 2: as being real and not real because it's so vibrant. Oh, wow. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's so vibrant because it's like it's a,
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  Speaker 2: it's a festival, you know, and basically a lot is
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  Speaker 2: going on. So um actually being in the actual celebrations
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  Speaker 2: and sometimes I, I don't know what I'm seeing is
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  Speaker 2: because it is possible that in the mix of what
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  Speaker 2: I'm seeing as physical being there could be uh
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  Speaker 2: in there as well. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Does it apply to you?
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, actually I had this encounter which usually when
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  Speaker 1: things happen, we don't acknowledge it. We don't, you know,
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  Speaker 1: when I used to stay with my parents, our neighbor
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  Speaker 1: used to be a Taoist priest. OK. So one time
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  Speaker 1: I got home from school and imagine this the lift
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  Speaker 1: door opened and there's this person
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  Speaker 1: dressed in the costume or the the the outfit with
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  Speaker 1: his tongue out and it's a very long tongue and
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  Speaker 1: then he was doing stuff. So imagine me a secondary
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  Speaker 1: school student, the door just opened. I just finished school.
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  Speaker 1: It was about six pm ish. And then he did that.
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  Speaker 1: So I was so scared and then behind him followed, like,
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  Speaker 1: there were like, I think about 15 other people like
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  Speaker 1: doing some,
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  Speaker 1: um, small, I don't know what to call it procession. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So they were doing some. So then I realized that, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's actually a ritual or they are doing something and
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  Speaker 1: I just, OK, I make way and then the thing
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  Speaker 1: just continued to dance around me. So the first one
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  Speaker 1: that you saw, what was he wearing, white or black?
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  Speaker 1: He was wearing both, both and then with his tongue out.
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  Speaker 1: But the one beside him was wearing one black, one
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  Speaker 1: white and then they were like guarding him or something.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah. So probably saw, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I think assuming on, based on what you physically describe
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  Speaker 1: them is like uh he by Wang, they are the police.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm told. So uh I mean in, in
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  Speaker 1: Singapore we call them to in Hoki. So basically uh
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  Speaker 1: there are two health police that actually they, they got the, the,
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  Speaker 1: the spirits, especially during Han goes month. There will be
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  Speaker 1: a lot of procession, you know, to get them even
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  Speaker 1: in this very cemetery at the front just now when
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  Speaker 1: we were doing the prayers. Uh There, there is an
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  Speaker 1: altar dedicated to them because they deal with the dead,
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  Speaker 1: the disease.
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  Speaker 1: So they, they have authority over there. LA. So I
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  Speaker 1: presume that it's like something that they are doing later
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  Speaker 1: that night. Ok. So nothing happened after that, later that night,
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  Speaker 1: about eight pm ish, I decided to go to a
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  Speaker 1: shop LA. So I went down, nothing happened. I just
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  Speaker 1: bought my stuff. I went back up. Ok, like I
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  Speaker 1: mentioned this person, it's he, they are my, my mom's neighbor,
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  Speaker 1: like direct neighbor, literally the house next door. So I
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  Speaker 1: was walking and I was, I wanted to open the lock.
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  Speaker 1: I noticed via my peripheral view, right? Something was standing
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  Speaker 1: just beside me. So I was like, I did a
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  Speaker 1: peep and I looked, and I saw the guy who
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  Speaker 1: did that thing standing there. I was like, OK, why
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  Speaker 1: is he still standing there? Isn't it over already? It's
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  Speaker 1: like a few hours have already passed, right? OK. Never mind.
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  Speaker 1: I opened my continued to try and open my door
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  Speaker 1: and then the curiosity got the better of me. I just, OK,
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  Speaker 1: you know what? I just need to turn and look
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  Speaker 1: at him turn
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  Speaker 1: and I realized he wasn't standing. He was actually perched
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  Speaker 1: atop the latch H DB latch and you know how
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  Speaker 1: thin, right? He put on top of that and he
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  Speaker 1: was just looking at them, looking at me with his,
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  Speaker 1: with his eyes extra big and his tongue still sticking out.
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  Speaker 1: He was just looking at me. So I was like, OK,
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  Speaker 1: never mind. I just pretended that, oh, I didn't see you.
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  Speaker 1: I continued to open my door my lock and the
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  Speaker 1: next thing I know he was just here, his face
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  Speaker 1: was literally just beside me like you saw me. Right.
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  Speaker 1: That kind of vibe. Yeah, I just went in iii
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  Speaker 1: I opened the door and went in and, but then
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  Speaker 1: he didn't follow me in. Not that I can not
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  Speaker 1: that I know that you weren't
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  Speaker 1: like inside your house. No, I was just outside. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I went up to my door, sorry, my bedroom, which
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  Speaker 1: is just beside my neighbor's house, right? And I could
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  Speaker 1: see him already. So I don't know, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if that's considered as him following me or did I
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  Speaker 1: break a taboo or anything as he was inside your house? No,
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  Speaker 1: outside my window and it's a double deck. So how
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  Speaker 1: can he be outside my window? No one is that tall?
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  Speaker 1: You know, so until now, but it was a imagining
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  Speaker 1: he is still in that position, you know, with his
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  Speaker 1: sting tongue still sticking out. So when I did this
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  Speaker 1: true story POV thing, right? Then I confided in my parents.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, hey, do you know our neighbor last time?
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  Speaker 1: I said, yeah. Yeah, I know. Then my dad said
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  Speaker 1: that that same night when the whole thing was going on,
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  Speaker 1: he came home and he saw the same thing still
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  Speaker 1: perch outside the neighbor's house. Yeah. So two. Sorry, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, ok, that means it's really, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: think it's human.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you when we say it's difficult because
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  Speaker 1: I think maybe he imitated the guy in the one
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  Speaker 1: that I, I came up from the live. Right. So,
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  Speaker 1: maybe I got a feeling that he pretended to be
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  Speaker 1: that guy because I don't think it's humanly possible for
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  Speaker 1: someone to be perched on the railing like that. I
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  Speaker 1: live on the eighth floor. You know, anything could have happened.
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  Speaker 1: He could have lost balance or something.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's difficult when uh if you see a lot,
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  Speaker 2: if it's like within the festival and
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  Speaker 2: see a lot going on, that will be more difficult. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's more difficult. But um for me, it's like a
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  Speaker 2: small procession as well. It's like, especially when they have
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  Speaker 2: it around Ya lot Chinatown. It's like, it's very vibrant,
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  Speaker 2: but then it's also very ritual as well. So a
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  Speaker 2: lot of times if I'm in the procession and I'm
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  Speaker 2: seeing all this going on,
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  Speaker 2: then I start to get a bit confused with certain
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  Speaker 2: things I see because certain things I see aren't very humanlike.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: then that gets, gets a bit distorted. So um it,
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  Speaker 2: it's just very interesting.
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  Speaker 1: I like hearing from, you know, both of you because
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  Speaker 1: both of you have third eye. So that hearing this
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  Speaker 1: experience basically means that, you know, across all third eyes,
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  Speaker 1: possibly
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  Speaker 1: you guys see the same. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I think we have different variations of third eye. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I think some of us have less or more of,
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  Speaker 2: I think my third eye is probably less than ends.
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  Speaker 2: I have more of a sense and feeling of emotions.
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  Speaker 2: I sense the energy so that I'm more
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  Speaker 2: uh my frequency is higher, higher in that area. So
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  Speaker 2: that means like if we're together then it's going to be,
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  Speaker 2: you know. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Did you see that? I did say that and you
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  Speaker 2: are lucky your husband's not here.
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  Speaker 1: My heart is
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  Speaker 1: my heart. So, so, so what would you say? And
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  Speaker 1: what was, what is your level like what yours is
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  Speaker 1: more visual? OK. I can only sense if it's malicious. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly speaking. So whenever remember the first time we met
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  Speaker 1: and then you asked about
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  Speaker 1: studio, the first thing I said is, I mean, aside
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: from yes, I said that, but it's not malicious, right? Yeah.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: So that's the only feeling I can, you can see
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: that dude, dude, like it was just here. Yeah. I
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: don't know why it got more clearer
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: as I get older,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: I think
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: as you get older from my own experience as we speak,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: is that all your everything that you have, you, it's
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: more heightened. So that's why, so as it's more heightened
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: then it's just clear. Yeah.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So I mean, going back to your story, right?
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Uh I mean, uh I think it's probably what you
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: saw is uh it could be related to the Ha
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: by Wu Tang or uh some form because there are
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: different levels of the help police. So it's a form
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: of help police. I think it was just like, oh,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: you see me? Hi. And that's his normal look like
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: the tongue is really like, come on and, oh, yeah,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: because he needs to be fearsome for the spirit. They
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: keep them in line. And
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: I think it's also like a form of fate because
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: not many people can see him.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: So um it's an extension of what Kyle is saying.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: It's not so much that you did anything wrong or
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: like you overstepped anything, but it's just your gift. And
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: sometimes in uh with certain belief,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: it's like it's special that you're able to see that
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: the thing that I saw pushed outside, could it be guardian?
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: It could probably be the guardian deity of that Taoist priest.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: So every priest will have like a deity they pray to.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: It could be that
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: and that process you just, just some house or it
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: could be a procession of remove. You say there are
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of people following dancing, right? Could be like
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: chasing out something that is not particularly good, right? OK.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Yeah. OK. So
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on seven months? Because for myself,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: you know, II I know that during the seven months,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: we have to respect
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: uh the possession more because when we see them, like
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: you mentioned, not to look directly to the fire. I've
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: heard stories growing up. My friends tell me if you
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: see an offering, like, don't kick or accident step on
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: them if you do accidentally say sorry. Yeah. And it, it, it,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: it became a habit whenever it happened to me. I
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: was just like, oh, sorry, sorry. You know, even though
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: we have different beliefs, what about you guys agree? Whatever
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: he said.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Second to
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: that,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: I, I will expand on it. I think, I think
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: your perspective on it is a bit closer to the
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: festival itself. So II I, I'm going to them, as
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: I said, I agree. But I will also add that. It's,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I always found it very interesting and I think it
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: comes back to the idea of respect because I've, I've
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: had this conversation with my mom before when I was younger.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: You know, I was raised in a different religion and
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: every time it was seven months my mom would be like,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: don't come back, don't come back to me. Oh, yeah.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: You know, and make sure you, if you see your offerings,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: you know, if you can cross the road, like she,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: she was really cautious. It's like cross the road so
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: that you don't step on them. And I always was
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: confused by that because I know it's not part of
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: the religion that I was raised in. So I always
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: wondered about that. And then as I got older I realized, no, it's,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: it's just, it was about respect and, you know, even,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: even when, you know, we, we, we let's say we
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: come here or, you know, um,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: whatever precautions, for example, that, that, uh, the spiritual master
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: has set forth just because it's not, my religion doesn't
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: mean I'm not going to follow it because it's just,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: it's just that it's just a matter of respect. When
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: is it the right time to clear the offering that
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: why I ask is because someone I know works as
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: the cleaner of a certain place. And then she was
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: told that she needs to do certain things before she
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: cleared the stuff.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: And then she did, she followed, she followed the things,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: but then something still happened afterwards. Actually, you asked a very,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: very good question. I think, um,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: the people who clean up the, the, the offerings are
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: like unsung heroes.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: So I think basically telling them that I look, I'm
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: sorry if I offended you.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Uh I'm going to clear it now because it's part
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: of my job. But at the same time they were
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: human ones, right? You can tell someone, I tell you something, bro,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: don't get offended. But if the person get offended can't
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: help you. I think it could be a rare occurrence.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: But I think usually, uh, to clear things, right?
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I think after one day you pray you can clear it.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: You just need to just say, look, I'm sorry, I
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: need to clear this. Not when the fire is burning,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: only do it when the fire is gone or whatever,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: like nothing is burning already. You can. Ok. Yeah. If not,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: you know, most of the time the animals will clear it.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: There is this funny story that, that my uncle told
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: me that happened to him personally. It's very funny.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: So he said that, um, uh, sometimes, uh, during summer
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: months in the day that he will go and visit
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: my grandfather's grave to, you know, to do some offerings
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: and prayers. Uh uh And this was when my grandfather
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: was still buried in Lim Chu Kang. The cemetery before
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: they exhumed, right? Layers and layers of grave. But there
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: was nobody because it's like an off season kind of thing.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: So not Qing Ming festival. So he, he, he brought
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: out the chicken and everything that he prayed and he turned,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: you know, he turned and then we turn back to
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: the grave, the chicken was gone, the chicken was gone
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: like gone. He was like, oh my God father, you
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: come back
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: because the Chinese believe that you know, you give the
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: food to the disease, they will eat it. And then
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: after that, you bring back home to consume the food.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: It's good luck because it's descendants only in that case,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: not for hungry ghosts, not the food, not for the spirit.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Then he was like where the chicken go. Then he turned,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: the dog took it
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: somehow the dog went through like ninja training, like they
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: were silent when they took the chicken and then they
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: were like tearing the chicken. It's like, then he had
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: like a really good laugh. He was like, yeah,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: depending on the, uh, it's time for them to move on. Yes.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: But maybe they can't move unless they have assistance. Yes. So, uh,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: whether we have the third eye or not, the third eye,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: if we give merits to help them cross over, that's
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: sort of why they are still lingering around.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: So you've seen the Hungry Ghost Festival in Singapore before? Right. So,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: are there any noticeable differences between how we celebrate it
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: here and in Thailand?
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Um there are like slight differences. The
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: scale is it
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: there?
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's uh no, I was gonna say
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: like everything is like centered around Chinatown. So, so I
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: think the rituals and the processions are happening in Chinatown
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: and then uh the houses do it separately here. I
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: guess it's like, it's the same and different.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's, it's different because it's like a different country.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: And um and I see like little bits and pieces that,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: that's different for me here in Singapore. I see like
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: some of the performances. Yeah, the performances um I don't see,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: I don't see the performances in Thailand. What I see
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: is like more of like the parade. Yeah,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: there's like a parade and a procession of like for
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: The Hungry Ghost. So it's like very lively, very vibrant
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: right here. It's vibrant in a more theatrical way. Ok.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: So that's the difference that I, that I've experienced. But
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: for me it's like, I guess my experience with The
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Hungry Ghost is I'm not freaked out by it, by
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: it or freaked out. For me. It's like, it's sort
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: of like celebratory.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think, um, Singapore,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Malaysia and Taiwan are the three places that, that still do.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: The Hawker Thai, the whole more like showy kind of thing.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Like the big burning, that kind of thing. Like, sort
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: of retaining their history.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: I think it's also, uh, quite dangerous too in this
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: day and time when, like, everything is so dense. Yeah,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: because there was like, news, like, uh, I think, like
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: in the last maybe a year or so where, uh,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: a gram
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: she was doing the burning for the Hungry Ghost seven
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: months and the whole balcony and her flat just burned. And, um,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: and it was the whole entire floor that she was on.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Yeah.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So that's the, that's the danger of any ritual
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: and any religion like to practice caution.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Ok. So I just need to do a check
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: everybody. How are
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: you?
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: You, are you vibing with us?
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: You and II, I, how are you doing? I am
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: very comfortable. You look good. You look good. I'm fine.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I just, ok, look, we can keep this in but
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I keep hearing the lizard noises at the back. And
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: so I love that we were talking about this, you know,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: you know how we are feeling right now because I
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: think one of the superstitions that we saw in the
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: episode is that to not poke the offerings with a steak, right. So,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: what are some of the superstitions that you have heard of?
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: For Hungry Ghost? Man? I've got, I've got one g
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: you're not supposed to watch. I mean, I was told
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: that I'm not supposed to watch it as a child.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: It's a good, it's an extreme precaution, but it's more
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: like you can watch but don't see on the front row,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: the front row is for the spirit. I only learned
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: about this fairly recent. Thankfully, I have never gone to
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: a good before, but I only learned about that recently.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: You go very, very good. I think it literally was
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: from you. I learned that you are not supposed to
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: sit in the front row is the OK. So what
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: if you accidentally sat on the front row? Apologize because
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: you don't know. Yeah. So I think
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: it's like physically sitting on someone.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: essentially. Yeah. But I think like the extreme precautions I
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: don't watch at all. I, I don't know about that,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: but I think it's quite fascinating. It's literally a concert,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: like a concert. There is a lot of people like,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, actual people really attending the concert and it's
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: like just, yeah, just for everybody. So it's like a
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: festival in that sense that, that I think is cool. Yeah,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: we all go together.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: OK. What about you guys? Superstitions you've heard of For
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Hungry Ghost Man? Don't eat the offerings. Oh yeah, I
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: mean that's a given but I think some people still
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: dare to do it.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know. What's the name? Yeah, they are, they are,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: they are, they are. So there was this documentary that
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I saw on the news channel documenting about this movement
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: called the Freedom Movement, which is you take free food
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: and then don't waste. I mean, food waste, it's against food,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: which I completely agree. And these people they are doing
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: it like the one that they
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: pick up all the oranges and they are good oranges
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: because you know, like we always pray with oranges. Yeah.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Then they are like, oh this is good, then we
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: can give it to the needy. It's a very good idea.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: But you forgot the aspect of the spiritual part. And
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: then I don't think they pray before they take. But
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: technically you're not supposed to take because it's for the spirit.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: So
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: interestingly like in uh not, not, maybe not in regards
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: to the Hungry Ghost Month, but
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: any offerings for spirits and any rituals that we do
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: in Thailand. Um it is encouraged to take the food
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: and to eat the food and um because uh after
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: the offerings because the thing is after the incense run out. Basically,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: the offerings have always, has already been given to the
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: spirit
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: in the spirit world. So then now it's back to
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: the tangible physical merits, all the food. So it's believed
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: that there's even more blessings in the food that has
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: been given in the ritual. So people want to take
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: the food.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: another question. Let's say, you know, you do the burnings
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: and then people fly out,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: right? And then they happen to go into your house
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: because you know, especially H DB. Sometimes you might be
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: open at night and then they go into your house.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: How should you react to it? You can just, sorry, sorry,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: it's OK. Just, just throw it away because it's not
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: meant to go into your house. I mean, it's not
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: really a pro tip but for me, right, I do
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: burn during the seven months but I burn uh not
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: a lot, but I always close my window because I mean,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I personally I don't like the
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: No. Yeah. Yeah. What about those papers lying on the floor?
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Are you allowed to? I mean, sometimes you might walk
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: and step on it, just apologize. It's not on purpose
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: because sometimes it can be unavoidable pathway is really blocked.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: It's literally like what my mom cross the street. I just,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, how careful you are for me, it's like
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: I will try to navigate it and sometimes I step
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: a little bit. I say, I'm sorry, it's unavoidable. One
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: of the superstitions that I would like to share, I
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: think
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: people know, but not, not, not as much is that
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: during several months? Because there is so much activity, right?
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Don't do the, you know, you stand and then you
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: look down between your legs, you see things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: So that's not good. Actually, it applies to us as well. Right.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Actually any time or any time
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: special kind of did that though is very strong.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say it then you will see an
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: and you doing it,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: you go to like a hungry ghost and you see
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: these two we
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: want to
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: distinguish,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: right? Is that real? You see you see
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: you're not allowed to go swimming. 00 I heard that also.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Is that right? Not advisable? Ok. I don't know if
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: you can testify for that but because he is the
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: hungry ghost man. Uh there is more spirits out. Sometimes
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: they are looking for replacements, especially for water spirits because
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: it could be very sudden, you know, they don't want
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: to go. So they need a
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: placement to complete the cycle. So it's a never ending cycle.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: So uh I remember growing up, my grandmother always say
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: seven months you don't go swimming, swimming, I smack you. Yeah.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: And I said, oh, ok. But I was scared because
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: she would tell me in very gruesome details. I was like, ok,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not going swimming forever,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: especially in the sea. Actually, in your expert opinion. Right.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: I am not an expert.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Why do you want to fool me as this is
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: not even the first time somebody is like one. I'm
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: not an expert. Please. Do not find me. I don't
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: care if you are human or whatever, don't find me.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not an expert. Kyle is not an expert, please. Just,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I'm an enthusiast. He, he's very knowledgeable but not an expert. Yeah. Ok.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Do you think it's wrong for me to shoot
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: horror stuff during the seventh month? Is it like disrespectful
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: or am I like asking for it or is it? Ok.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: I think it's no different than what we are doing
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: right now. So as long as you go into it
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: being respectful, I think it's fine. Yeah.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: If there is no choice, ah then you have to
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: do what you have to do. I know of other
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: filmmakers because sometimes it's unavoidable, it's unavoidable, like really unavoidable. So,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: but then you do your due diligence, I'm sure you know,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: you guys also will do your own prayers, your own blessings.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Uh It's across the board when people like us, we
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: do horror, right?
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: The first thing is respect. The second is don't antagonize.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: The third is don't acknowledge. Yeah. So all this, if you,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: you should be fine, it's just that sometimes, you know, cameras,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: they also have that eye, then you might find some
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: extra footage then you can sell that camera for more.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Just kidding. But um but yeah, uh uh one thing
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: that I noticed is that a lot of my friends
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: who shoot wedding, they don't shoot we Chinese weddings during
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: summer months because Panam, so the Chinese will not get
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: married during summer months. I mean, with what we have heard,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: I think there's more to it that we all is
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: a tradition that has been going on for thousands of years. So, yeah.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: So this question is for everyone, there's a theory that
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: goes around saying that the food offerings during Hungry Ghost
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: months are tasteless. What do you think about
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: that?
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: I've never tasted it.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: I give the answer but it looks, it looks appetizing. Sorry.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: I seen those like biscuits, right? At one point of
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: time I was contemplating but I didn't, I didn't for you. OK.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Thank you
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: to buy. I honestly thought it's food that people just
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: buy from. Like I didn't realize it. It is, it's
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: just that they use like, OK, for example, for example,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: like uh when you pray to the Kuman Tong, you
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: give yo, it's just a preferred taste. Yeah. So thats
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: the same idea. That's exactly what I thought. Yeah, like
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: like that probiotic drink for that particular entity.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: So uh for the Hungry Ghost is like someone who
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: started it, you know, the small little low biscuits, no
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: biscuits and they put, yeah, because you need something sweet.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's the mythology behind it. But you
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: need something sweet as part of the offerings and with
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: the food and then depends on your belief. Sometimes the
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: food is vegetarian. Not necessary. Meat, depends, depends. It also
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: depends where you are
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: at in Thailand. They have like the, the, the vegetarian
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: festival once a year. They have vegetarian for the ghost.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: So it's like, specifically, it's sort of like an extension
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: of the hungry ghost, but it's like pure vegetarian. Um
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: You can search and look it up. It's where you
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: have these crazy um rituals that's happening like huge giant
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: like swords that be put through the mouth and
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: they are being possessed by the deity. So that's why
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: they have supernatural powers so they can pierce through. There's no,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: how does it with vegetarian?
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: I
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: think like this, the period of this uh uh celebration is,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: it's like a week or two week period of eating
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: this vegetarian vegetarian, no meat. Oh I see, I see
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: as a form of respect to the possessions and the gods,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: they abide by paying respects by
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: not eating any meat in that period.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: It is a form of giving respect. It's like um
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: uh you can be followers as well or people who
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: help out. So it's their way of giving back. So
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: for example, the Chinese do believe that when you have
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: uh your your family member who, who passed away within
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: the 100 days of that grieving period. If you go
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: with a full vegetarian, they will have a lot of merit. So,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: the more vegetarian because you are essentially not killing animals. Right. So,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: it's more merit for them. I see. I see. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: So
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: interesting.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I didn't know about this. I really didn't know about that.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I had no idea. There was a vegetarian festival. Yeah. So,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, have you guys tried any of the food?
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: I presume. No. Right. The, the, the food that's offering
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: food, the merits that you want to give is just,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: you want the food to be as good or even
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: better than
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: what is eaten by in real life. So the food
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: is quite good, you know,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: normal. Then you eat, the taste doesn't change
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: for me. It doesn't change because the thing is like
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: when they have a basket of apples, it's probably that
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: one apple that has the inn that in that, you know,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: you won't eat that particular apple. So it tastes like
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: a normal apple.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: What
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: about meat,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: meat
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: offerings?
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Um, like, it's more like food that's been offered. It's
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: just like any food that,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: um, that you eat for me. I guess it taste normal.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: have a different perspective and experience on that. Then we,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: every death anniversary we will, uh, like pray and then
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: we have a lot of food and then, um, some
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: beliefs is that, uh, you need to serve a certain
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: amount of food, like fish, chicken, all the poultry, like vegetables,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: that kind of thing. And then for them for full meal,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: then you will invite back all the ancestors for like
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: a family dinner. Then you pray to them, then you burn.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Is that Chen Men?
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Uh Yes, it applies for Ching Ming, but it also
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: applies for deaf anniversary.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: So because that's their new birth date, you see, so then,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: then after that, then after that, then you can eat right.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: So every time I eat the food, I mean, it's
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: like my grandma will whip up very nice food, like
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: curry chicken, all these very nice. But by the time
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: they offer it, taste blend, like it's been eaten, it
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: could be a psychological thing. But I grew up experiencing that. Yeah,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: you try heating it up. No, we then, then I complain.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, the very, I complain the food like not nice.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Ok, I will prepare next time I will prepare a
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: separate section for you. Yeah. Then, then, then maybe like
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: after that, then we mix together.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Then that, that's a very interesting observation because I think
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: for me when you were asking, I don't really dig
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: into the food as if like, you know, it's a
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: whole meal. Like for me it's like I just maybe
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: like a bite or two bites out of the tradition of,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: you know, getting the merits of the blessings of having
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: it been offered. Because I think the way my mom
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: has like, embedded,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: it's like, no, you have to take a bite or like,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: you have to take a bite to get that blessing.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: So it's like, ok, you know. But, um, yeah, it's,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: in some ways I've had similar experience with Kyle where
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: it's like, I just feel it's bland but it's like,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: you know, but I guess, like, psychologically, you know, it's
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: good because it's been made good. So I think my
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: answer was like from a psychological point of view that
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: I know like the best food is being given. But
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: the realistic answer to it is like after taking a bite,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: it just tastes like
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: normal.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: You could be like it's out there for a while,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: you go out there for 12 hours, not the same, right?
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: So your mind is like, yeah, this is not good
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: and it's great to be back, but I cannot wait
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: to get out of here. Truth be told it's more
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: for the sound of lizards than for anything else. Um
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: And why are you guys messing with me? So let's
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: wrap this up with our Bobi Factor of the day. Ok. So,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: you know, different regions and different countries celebrate Hungary Ghost
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Month or like that period differently. Uh Girl ties are
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: mostly like, as I mentioned, girl ties are mostly Singapore, Malaysia,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: some parts of Indonesia and Taiwan. Uh However, uh Taiwan
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: focuses more on the lanterns and the lamp.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Um And Japan, they focus more on the gift uh,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: gift giving. But the gift giving part is unique because they,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: they do, the Hungry Ghost Month is not called Hungry
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Ghost Month. They are called Obon. Ah, so, in fact,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: it's about the same period as Hungry Ghost Month. So,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: it's where, um,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: it is a very interesting one because Japan is much
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: bigger than Singapore. And people usually work in the city.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: They don't go back to their hometowns. But during the
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Ubon season is like a, like a um internal travel season.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: It's like packed because it's summer and then it's packed
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: and everybody travel back to back home town for like
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: a
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: and then they will pray to their ancestors, ancestral spirit
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: for blessings and then there's like summer festivals and stuff.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: So it's like a big cultural thing. Um Yeah. Um
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I think every culture has not specifically a hungry Ghost month,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: at least, you know, festivals honoring into the sea. So it's,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: it's interesting, I think the
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: differences in the different cultures and regions, that's the stuff
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: that really, I find it quite like
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: a lot of times it comes from the same root,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: but then it just expands differently when it goes into
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: a different landscape. Different culture, different place.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Agree. Hearing from you saying that, you know, you
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: eat the food offerings while here we don't. So that's
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: something unique. Something that we all,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: it's like the end goal and means it's the same.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: But then it's like getting there is different, which makes
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: it very interesting.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: It all comes from the whole idea of like giving,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: it is giving energy, giving light. Yeah, it all comes
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: from the same place, right? So thank you once again,
• 42:34
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