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ALLIGATOR ATTACK UNLIKELY, Gorgeous Paola Maria Miranda Rosa last seen in swamp reserve · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gorgeous woman disappears on
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Speaker 1: the edges of a well known and popular swamp forest.
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Speaker 1: What happened to Paola Miranda Rosa? Absolutely stunning with a
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Speaker 1: loving family, lots of friends. Why has her case not
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Speaker 1: been solved? As the days to buy? Where is Paola?
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Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to our friends at
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Speaker 1: Fox thirty five. It's hard to even focus on the
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Speaker 1: fact that it's the holiday season. I don't know what
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Speaker 1: they it is right now. Andrea Miranda says it has
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Speaker 1: been a whirlwind since her sister, thirty one year old
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Speaker 1: Paola Miransa Rosa of Asiola, accounts he went missing last week.
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Speaker 1: We've see Christmas slates around this. We see that, but
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Speaker 1: your tunnel mission on the mension of finding her. Her
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Speaker 1: family reported Paola missing Sunday after they had not heard
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Speaker 1: from her since Friday. Monday, they started making flyers and
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Speaker 1: searching the area, and they eventually found her car at
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Speaker 1: with khaih Whi Spring State Park on Tuesday. Guys, we've
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Speaker 1: got to help find this woman. Her family's so distraught,
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Speaker 1: and what concerns me is that people saw her waiting
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Speaker 1: in the water. They took pictures of her, but they
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Speaker 1: didn't comment or speak to her. That the facts surrounding
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Speaker 1: Paola's disappearance are studying. We want to find this woman
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Speaker 1: the tip line four zero seven three four eight two
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Speaker 1: two two two. And I find it highly significant that
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Speaker 1: her family is raising funds for a private investigator. Joining
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Speaker 1: me and All Star palel to make sense of what
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Speaker 1: we know right now. Lisa daddy O, former police lieutenant.
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Speaker 1: You have a police department and senior lecturer at the
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Speaker 1: Center for Advanced Policing where she's Director. Karen Start, renowned
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Speaker 1: psychologists joining us out of Manhattan at Karen Stark dot com.
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Speaker 1: Dale Carson, high profile lawyer joining us out of Jacksonville.
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Speaker 1: Former fed with the FBI, author of Arrest Proof of Yourself.
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Speaker 1: He's at del Carson Law dot com. A very special
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Speaker 1: guest joining us. He will remember him from the Gabby
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Speaker 1: Petito Brian laundry case. He's known as the Turtleman, Chris
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Speaker 1: Adams swap survival expert. You can find him on Facebook
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Speaker 1: at Living Wild, on TikTok at Georgia Turtleman, and you're
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Speaker 1: gonna see why he's so important. Nicole Parton first to
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Speaker 1: you Nicole parton Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Explain
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Speaker 1: to me where Paola was last seen? So December seventeen,
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Speaker 1: she spends a great day with her family, her grandmother,
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Speaker 1: her uncle, her mother. They have lunch together. She leads
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Speaker 1: there later in the day. You say there, Nicole, who
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Speaker 1: what where her wife? When? Don't say there? Where? Where?
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Speaker 1: She leaves her grandmother's home, which is on Simona Avenue
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Speaker 1: in Orlando? Or thank you? Have you ever heard of
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Speaker 1: that game? Twin one questions? Don't let me play that.
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Speaker 1: I'm a j D, not a DDS. Don't know how
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Speaker 1: to pull it too. So Orlando. She's at Orlando lunchtime,
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Speaker 1: December seventeen. Is that correct? Yeah? To see how easy
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Speaker 1: that just came off my tongue. Orlando, December seventeen. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Then what happened? She left there? She went to a
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Speaker 1: doctor's appointment. Jar's confirmation that she made that appointment, saw
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Speaker 1: the doctor. After that, she returned to her home again
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Speaker 1: in Orlando. Did she live one day? Did she live
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Speaker 1: along with her Twitter doggies? Yeah? Okay, go ahead. December eighteen,
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Speaker 1: she makes an ATM deposit at the bank. You know
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Speaker 1: that's interesting deposit versus withdrawal. I'll circle back with that
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Speaker 1: with you, Dell Carson. But a deposit, not a withdrawal. Okay,
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Speaker 1: go ahead. After that bank deposit, she heads down to
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Speaker 1: which she was state park, which she had planned to do. Okay,
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Speaker 1: go ahead. Where's that? And that's about a thirty five
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Speaker 1: to forty minute drive about twenty miles north of her
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Speaker 1: home in Orlando. Did she take her dogs? She did
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Speaker 1: not take her dog would she normally have? No And
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Speaker 1: her family knew that she was going. She had told them, Hey,
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Speaker 1: I'm going up to the state park tomorrow, so it
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Speaker 1: was a planned visit to the state She a hiker
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Speaker 1: or a jogger, a nature enthusiast. She did enjoy the outdoors.
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Speaker 1: She didn't see Land's interesting. That's interesting because I tell
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Speaker 1: my children we're going to go in to nature hike
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Speaker 1: and they go, oh, Mom, not another tree. Do you
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Speaker 1: know how much that breaks my heart? Since I taught
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Speaker 1: tree identification on a national forest. I want them to
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Speaker 1: love nature, and they do love nature, but not necessarily
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Speaker 1: my nature walks. So she goes on on her own volition.
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Speaker 1: She goes to you're saying with Kiwa State Park twenty
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Speaker 1: miles north of Orlando. Yes, that's correct. Okay, is she
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Speaker 1: spotted there? She is? Um, So at that point, let's
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Speaker 1: let's skip a day and then we're going to come back.
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Speaker 1: So December twenty two, authorities located you left off December eighteen.
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Speaker 1: One day would be December nineteen. December nineteen, there's nothing, okay,
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Speaker 1: December twenty nothing, December twenty one, nothing, December twenty two.
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Speaker 1: By now, her family has reported her missing and police
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Speaker 1: locate her black two thousand and eleven Chevy h h R.
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Speaker 1: Her car parked at the state park. H what h
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Speaker 1: h R. It's a it's a Chevrolet vehicle, a little car,
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Speaker 1: Okay at the state park. Yes, and very quickly they
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Speaker 1: find the car. There any signs of foul play, No
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Speaker 1: signs of foul play, was the carlark? The car was locked,
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Speaker 1: where the keys enter out of the car are not found?
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Speaker 1: That was not found, not disclosed. Okay, I'm letta start
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Speaker 1: right there, guys. We were talking about uh, Paola Miranda
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Speaker 1: Rosa stunning beautiful, spends the holidays with her family, but
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Speaker 1: then December eighteen, is he just here? From Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporting Nicole Parton, she goes to with
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Speaker 1: Kiwa State Park. Enter the Turtleman Chris Adams. You can
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Speaker 1: find him on Facebook, Living Wild, TikTok Georgia Turtleman Chris Adams.
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Speaker 1: I assume you've seen the photo of Paola in the water.
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Speaker 1: Did you see that? The photo actually, to me almost
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Speaker 1: doesn't look It looks like a beautiful drawing or set
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Speaker 1: up photo. She's in this beautiful swamp area with a
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Speaker 1: tree canopy over her, and she's wading into the water,
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Speaker 1: you know, for a swim. And I was curious why
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Speaker 1: complete strangers thought that was a good picture to take.
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Speaker 1: Why would they take that picture? Tell me about where
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Speaker 1: she was? That was my initial thought, as well as
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Speaker 1: why were these hikers she was randomly taking a photo
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Speaker 1: or a video of this other person on the trail.
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Speaker 1: The thing is she wasn't on the trail. Understanding is
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Speaker 1: that was an area that swimming waiting was not permitted in.
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Speaker 1: So I guess to their surprise, they saw this individual
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Speaker 1: in the water and they thought it strange enough to
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Speaker 1: take video or photo of that. Tell me about this
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Speaker 1: is a swamp is it not. With Kiwa State Park
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Speaker 1: by the Chicago River right there runs out of the
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Speaker 1: park but as with any river, you've got the floodplain
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Speaker 1: off to the side, which makes you know dozens of
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Speaker 1: little gullies and swimming hole areas. That's nothing more than
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Speaker 1: a river swamp. So yes, I'm looking at the video
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Speaker 1: right now. Is that her hair she's got long brown hair.
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Speaker 1: Is that her hair down her back? Or does she
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Speaker 1: have on a backpack? It looks like a backpack or
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Speaker 1: a swim shirt of some sort, like a tank top
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Speaker 1: over her shirt. Have you looked at that. I've looked
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Speaker 1: at the photo, but it's kind of grainy to me.
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Speaker 1: I thought it could be either Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Okay,
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Speaker 1: now I want you to tell me about the area.
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Speaker 1: Why would you not go swimming in that water? It's
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Speaker 1: just I'm just looking at this picture because everything about
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Speaker 1: it to me, Jackie is screaming alert read alert. But
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a trial lawyer. I put the bad
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Speaker 1: guys behind bars, that's my thing. But I don't even
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Speaker 1: know what I'm seeing. Chris Adams, you're the survival expert.
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Speaker 1: What's wrong with this picture? Well, going back to twenty fifteen,
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Speaker 1: on the same section a river, there was a reported
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Speaker 1: alligator attack with a woman who lost part of her
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Speaker 1: arm to a larger alligator. And mind you that alligator
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Speaker 1: attacks are pretty rare, but it is always a possibility,
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Speaker 1: especially in an area such as that. I mean, you
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Speaker 1: show me a cup of water in Florida, I'll show
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Speaker 1: you an alligator. But that area she was in is
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Speaker 1: only about hit deep, so where she was waiting through,
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Speaker 1: one would think that she might be able to see
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Speaker 1: an alligator or any individual see an alligator in that
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Speaker 1: amount of water. But I have run up on roadside
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Speaker 1: ditches with no more than eight inches of water and
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Speaker 1: there'd be an alligator laid in it that you wouldn't
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Speaker 1: see unless you a keen eye for it. So there's
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Speaker 1: always a possibility that river has alligators, just like every
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Speaker 1: other spot of water in Florida. So you take for
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Speaker 1: caution anywhere you put your feed in. Okay, I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to take in everything you're you're saying, well, you're saying
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Speaker 1: to me, Chris Adams aka swamp man, excuse me, turtleman.
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Speaker 1: It's like drinking from a fire hydra. It's too much
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Speaker 1: tooth asked now, if I were to start throwing a
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Speaker 1: lot of Latin legal terms that you like, non secretary
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Speaker 1: racips a loquatory. You go, what that's what's happening to
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Speaker 1: me right now. So, just for my benefit and for
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Speaker 1: our friends here in the studio, could you tell me
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Speaker 1: what you just said one more time, because the thing
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Speaker 1: that jumps out at me, Chris Adams, is that I
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Speaker 1: see her alone out in the water. And you're right,
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Speaker 1: it's just barely up to her hips. Who would worry
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Speaker 1: about that? But nobody else is in the water. I
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Speaker 1: don't see any other watercraft, no ski, do boat, no pontoon, nothing,
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Speaker 1: And just my instinct is there's a reason why she's
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Speaker 1: the only one in the water. Now, tell me everything
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Speaker 1: you just said one more time, Chris. That's an area
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Speaker 1: to my understanding that swimming is not permitted swimming or waiting. Well,
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Speaker 1: there's no signs saying that. I believe there are another
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Speaker 1: sections of the park. Well not right there, Chris. I'm
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Speaker 1: looking right at it. I don't see any sign But
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Speaker 1: I mean when you pass signs going in it' say
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Speaker 1: bewarey gay ors. I don't know if there were any,
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Speaker 1: but I don't see any right there. Guys with me
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Speaker 1: an all star panel to make sense of what we
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Speaker 1: know right now about a gorgeous young woman missing. We
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Speaker 1: know that she had already put Christmas presents under the
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Speaker 1: tree that she planned to give her family and her
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Speaker 1: furry babies. I think she had four animals, that she
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Speaker 1: had just spent an afternoon with her family at a
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Speaker 1: kind of a Christmas celebration lunch and then suddenly drops
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Speaker 1: literally off the mat. But I'm not buying that this
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Speaker 1: woman did not drop off the match. She did not
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Speaker 1: intend to go missing. Her car locked and in the
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Speaker 1: correct position at the state park. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut to This is jesse Canalis Spectrums thirteen. The
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Speaker 1: thirty one year old went missing the week before Christmas.
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Speaker 1: Faulla was with her grandmother on Friday eighty seven, seventeen
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Speaker 1: and was supposed to meet up with her sister the
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Speaker 1: next day, but never arrived. Five thirty in the afternoon
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Speaker 1: on Friday was the last time we spoke with her.
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Speaker 1: Her mom became worried Saturday morning when Paola didn't call her.
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Speaker 1: After not hearing from her at all on Saturday, her
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Speaker 1: family went to her home on Sunday, so her car
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Speaker 1: was gone and her pets left all alone. It's something
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Speaker 1: her dad said she didn't never do through our own investigation,
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Speaker 1: we found she exited the last the four twenty nine
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Speaker 1: in ze world, so we know where she exited the interstate.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen now to our friends at Fox thirty
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Speaker 1: five Orlando uricat four. This is Christy Kern. Debbie's have
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Speaker 1: been searching the area, but still no sign of Paola.
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Speaker 1: We immediately felt like there was something wrong. Maybe it
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Speaker 1: was just not normal. The family has also been searching ants.
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Speaker 1: They are hoping for others to come forward with any information.
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Speaker 1: Don't be afraid to share it, even if it's wrong,
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Speaker 1: like if it's somebody else. We want her home. Bla,
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Speaker 1: we love you, We want you home. They say. Paola
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Speaker 1: was last seen wearing blue jeans, shorts and a green
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Speaker 1: or white shirts. Of course it hurts as holiday. We
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Speaker 1: want her with us. Oh, we gotta do what we
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Speaker 1: gotta do. Right there, we've heard a lot of very
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Speaker 1: significant details. Do you Karen Start joining us from Manhattan,
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Speaker 1: renowned at New York psychologist at Karen Start and dot com.
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Speaker 1: The father says she would never leave her pets alone.
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Speaker 1: It would be a cold day in HBL. You know,
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Speaker 1: just for one moment, Karen Start, you were with me
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Speaker 1: here in my whole pregnant. See as far as it's
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Speaker 1: going to be to do put my children out of this,
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Speaker 1: I would never leave fat boy the dogs, sent them
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Speaker 1: in the cat Abbie Chloe, the guinea pigs to find
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Speaker 1: for themselves that that would not happen, would not happen.
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Speaker 1: So I think the father's right. And this is what
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Speaker 1: we call behavioral evidence, evidence of routine. Karen start jump in.
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Speaker 1: I was thinking the same thing, Nancy, because I have
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Speaker 1: dogs and I can't imagine leaving them, even overnight, by themselves.
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Speaker 1: So this is uncharacters the behavior. Anyone who loved Atamas
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Speaker 1: know that. And also the fact that she had an
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Speaker 1: appointment with her sister and she never showed up, and
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Speaker 1: her cars just they're abandoned, not in touch with her family.
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Speaker 1: Something that's really wrong. And I can understand why the
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Speaker 1: family would hire a private investigator at this point. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that brings me to a very very important point. The
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Speaker 1: family is now hiring a private investigator. Back to Chris Adams,
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Speaker 1: swamp survival expert who took the forefront and the search
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Speaker 1: for Brian Laundry. After Laundryes fiance Gabby Petito was found
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Speaker 1: dead out near the Tetons Chris Adams. After all of
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Speaker 1: searching for days and days and days at Carlton Reserve
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Speaker 1: for Brian laundry, the parents went in and found his
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Speaker 1: items not far from his body in less than an hour.
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Speaker 1: So what what are the deputies missing? Why does this
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Speaker 1: family feel they've got to hire a private eye? Explain
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Speaker 1: to me how you would search a place like with
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Speaker 1: Kiwa State Park. All right, So this is just like
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Speaker 1: I pointed out in that previous case you just mentioned,
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Speaker 1: you can go over a wild area like that would
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Speaker 1: fine tooth calm, and still miss something. And I'll repeatedly
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Speaker 1: say that to anyone I meet, because you're going to
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Speaker 1: leave some trace. If you're just going in there on
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Speaker 1: a leisure trip, you were going to leave some trace
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Speaker 1: that you were there. Now, that doesn't mean necessarily dropping
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Speaker 1: a trail behind you, a key chain or a bill
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Speaker 1: fold or anything. That just means tracks you stopped and
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Speaker 1: had used the bathroom somewhere, anything like that. Now, this
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Speaker 1: is going to run back into what I was just
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Speaker 1: trying to convey a little while ago. I was mentioning
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Speaker 1: the alligators in the river. Because there was an alligator
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Speaker 1: attack on this river does not mean that this individual
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Speaker 1: or any individual for that matter, that goes into a
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Speaker 1: swamp is going to be attacked by an alligator. And
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Speaker 1: one of the things that media outlets get wrong is
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Speaker 1: they say alligator infested. That makes everybody thinks the worst
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Speaker 1: of an area that this person went into, makes them
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Speaker 1: think that this person probably was attack. That doesn't mean
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Speaker 1: that at all. It could have very well waited further
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Speaker 1: down that river gotten out somewhere I have done many
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Speaker 1: times before on rivers around here in South Georgia. Walked
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Speaker 1: into the woods and found a thick place that I
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Speaker 1: couldn't get through, and I had to make my own trail.
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Speaker 1: It's very easy to get lost, to get turned around
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Speaker 1: in some area like that. China, So kin everything you're saying,
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Speaker 1: Chris Adams, Because out of the twenty five thousand acre
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Speaker 1: Cralton Reserve, police used drones, boats, scuba disers, scuba divers,
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Speaker 1: bloodhounds to try to find Brian Laundry and his family
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Speaker 1: found evidence of him near his body in less than
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Speaker 1: an hour. So, Chris Adams, what do they need to
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Speaker 1: be doing to find Paola? Well, from what my understanding is,
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Speaker 1: they have done all of that on this side too,
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Speaker 1: with underwater scuba gear. They've had people on horseback, people
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Speaker 1: on foot, but there are conservation easements state forest lands
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Speaker 1: adjoined to this. An individual could get off and walk
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Speaker 1: very far out of the park and they have gotten
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Speaker 1: turn around, so they may not even be looking in
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Speaker 1: the right place. This is where police oftentimes make mistakes
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Speaker 1: because they try to use technology when the only actual
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Speaker 1: solution is to get on the ground and search inch
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Speaker 1: by inch, and the use of thermal camera cameras in
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Speaker 1: order to search for a lost person is only marginally successful.
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Speaker 1: I agree totally prime stories with Nancy Grace. Okay, what
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Speaker 1: do they need to be doing right now? Del Carson,
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Speaker 1: former FBI now high pifile lawyer out of Jacksonville. This
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Speaker 1: is fairly straightforward. I mean, you've got to get boots
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Speaker 1: on the ground, which means you're going to have to
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Speaker 1: extend energy and personnel in order to thoroughly search the area.
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Speaker 1: And from my reading of the news articles, they didn't
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Speaker 1: do a very thorough search. They went a little bit here,
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Speaker 1: a little bit there. That's not how you conductor search,
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Speaker 1: and Chris is entirely correct. You get into a swamp,
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Speaker 1: if it's dim or getting dark, you don't know which
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Speaker 1: direction is which, you'll never find your way out, and
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Speaker 1: you can be literally lost for days. The only way
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Speaker 1: to sort this out is to go where she was
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Speaker 1: last seen. Start from there, one step at a time,
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Speaker 1: searching on the ground. And it's Chris also mentioned there
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Speaker 1: are areas that are just impassable. So unless you have
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Speaker 1: a machette or some way to exit through those areas,
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Speaker 1: it takes days and weeks to search, not hours. To you,
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Speaker 1: Nicole Pardon Crime online dot Com, explain to me what
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Speaker 1: this search is entails so far, so, the Offiola Sheriff's
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Speaker 1: Department are saying that from that siding where the video
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Speaker 1: was taken, they searched the river with high intensity cameras
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Speaker 1: four miles north and miles south from that point. They're
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Speaker 1: also saying that they secured the park by plane, by drone,
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Speaker 1: by boat. They've had divers in the water, they've had blood, bloodhounds.
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Speaker 1: But they're saying they secured the perimeter by those methods,
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Speaker 1: not that they searched every acre of the park by
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Speaker 1: those methods. But the reality is to Chris Adams, a hey,
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Speaker 1: a turtleman is I believe joining me from a swamp
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Speaker 1: right now? Chris, there are thousands of acres, seven thousand acres,
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Speaker 1: and there are miles and miles of trails to walk
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Speaker 1: and to bike, So it's like a needle in a haystack.
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Speaker 1: It's just reminded me of the Brian laundry case. It
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Speaker 1: does in many ways, and like we all just said,
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Speaker 1: it is going to take people getting in there and
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Speaker 1: calmbing it over time and time again and there again
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Speaker 1: we might not even be in the right location, be
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Speaker 1: in the proximity, That might not be the exact spot
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Speaker 1: that we need to be looking. What about the main
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Speaker 1: attraction there, which are the springs themselves? Would that be
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Speaker 1: where she would be headed Chris Adams, I mean based
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Speaker 1: on where she's been seen my understanding as she was
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Speaker 1: heading down the river. So it is also my understanding
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Speaker 1: that that is away from the springs. The main hiking
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Speaker 1: trail is about fourteen miles long. There are miles and
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Speaker 1: miles of other biking and hiking trails. So at this point,
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Speaker 1: Chris Adams, what do you make at the theory of
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Speaker 1: alligator attack? Is that probable or is this just a
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Speaker 1: big cover up for what really happened to her? Again,
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Speaker 1: as I always say, it is a possibility when you
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Speaker 1: are in any part of the American alligator's range, if
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Speaker 1: you go into the water, there is a chance that
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Speaker 1: that animal may perceive you as a threat in a
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Speaker 1: fight or flight defense, harm you, or if you are
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Speaker 1: a small enough, weak enough individual and that animal is
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Speaker 1: hungry enough, it may take the chance to make you
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Speaker 1: a prey item. But those odds are very, very slim. Okay,
22:14
Speaker 1: explain that to me. Why do you say the odds
22:16
Speaker 1: are very slim? It just doesn't happen every day. I
22:19
Speaker 1: work in a swamp, like you said, Okay, Finoki, it
22:22
Speaker 1: has been a wildlife refuge for over eighty years and
22:26
Speaker 1: we have had absolutely zero depths caused by an American alligator.
22:32
Speaker 1: And in the hundred and fifty years of Anglo presence
22:36
Speaker 1: here in the swamp, I don't know of one incident
22:38
Speaker 1: where someone has been killed by an alligator in Okay, Finoki.
22:42
Speaker 1: So that's just speaking for here, to Lisa Daddy, for
22:45
Speaker 1: a police lieutenant Haven Police. The reality is, if she
22:50
Speaker 1: had drowned, I ain't gone underwater. Wouldn't the natural gases
22:56
Speaker 1: within her body caused by decomposition bring her to the
22:59
Speaker 1: surface of the water, Unless a gator had taken her
23:02
Speaker 1: down to the bottom. Absolutely, it would have by known
23:05
Speaker 1: the NC I mean typically you see that within its
23:09
Speaker 1: depending on temperature water, air temperature, the size of the person.
23:14
Speaker 1: She should have surfaced by now if she was in
23:17
Speaker 1: the water somewhere, unless she's on one of the many
23:20
Speaker 1: thousands of acres you know, on land, beast, upon the
23:24
Speaker 1: current or whichever of the river, and they just haven't
23:28
Speaker 1: found her physical body yet too, Chris Adams. If she
23:33
Speaker 1: had drowned, would an alligant gator eat her dead body?
23:37
Speaker 1: Are they very particular? Now there's there's the question. So
23:41
Speaker 1: that animal is an opportunist, as our turtles and other
23:45
Speaker 1: animals that live in the water that consume organic matter
23:48
Speaker 1: like that. Now, if a person's body is decomposing, has
23:53
Speaker 1: floated to the surface and been there for a few days,
23:56
Speaker 1: any animal in that swamp that eats meat is going
23:58
Speaker 1: to use that as an opportunity to feed. So then yes, yes, Okay,
24:03
Speaker 1: here's the next question, Chris Adams. If Palla had been attacked,
24:09
Speaker 1: don't they drag the victim down to the bottom of
24:12
Speaker 1: the water, the body of water, and then roll over
24:15
Speaker 1: and over and over it till the victim's drowns. Well,
24:17
Speaker 1: they are primarily ambush predators. So if an animal like that,
24:21
Speaker 1: an alligator, was to grab a hold of a person,
24:24
Speaker 1: it will try and take the motor. Now that's spinning
24:26
Speaker 1: and what they call a death roll. That's more used
24:30
Speaker 1: to tear chunks off of an already decomposed form for
24:34
Speaker 1: them to be able to swallow sizeable pieces. That's not
24:37
Speaker 1: to kill whatever item is dragged under. You know, Karen
24:42
Speaker 1: start on York psychologists joining us at a Manhattan It's
24:46
Speaker 1: very difficult for me to look at the photo of
24:49
Speaker 1: this gorgeous girl Payola and hear what Chris Adams is saying.
24:56
Speaker 1: And I know it must be much harder for the
25:00
Speaker 1: family to hear. Well, you can tell just when the
25:02
Speaker 1: broadcast that the family is suffering, really suffering. That's why
25:07
Speaker 1: they went ahead and decided to hire their own Christian
25:11
Speaker 1: And when you think, when you think about it, Nancy,
25:13
Speaker 1: and you've brought this step earlier, it's really confusing that
25:17
Speaker 1: people took pictures of her, actually did a video, and
25:21
Speaker 1: you don't hear anybody yelling out and saying, hey, what
25:25
Speaker 1: are you doing in that water? You're not supposed to
25:27
Speaker 1: be swimming there are you? Okay? So the whole thing
25:31
Speaker 1: is a tremendous mystery. You know, why is she there?
25:34
Speaker 1: Why didn't somebody help her get out? And the family
25:39
Speaker 1: they I can just tell they believe that there's hope
25:42
Speaker 1: for her, and so it seems important to me that
25:46
Speaker 1: people keep looking and trying to help this family. I mean,
25:49
Speaker 1: it seems fantastical to me. Chris Adam said, she goes
25:52
Speaker 1: waiting in the water and what is a type by
25:55
Speaker 1: an alligator? And diyes, I mean she's not. It's barely
25:59
Speaker 1: up to or hips. Would that be conducive to an
26:02
Speaker 1: alligator attack? I mean it's very possible. But here's the thing.
26:07
Speaker 1: As a naturalist, I know these animals. As a human,
26:11
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound insensitive. I mean, someone's loved
26:15
Speaker 1: one is missing out there, and the likelihood of them
26:19
Speaker 1: being attacked by an alligator is probably very slim. I
26:22
Speaker 1: think we as people just are quick to think of
26:26
Speaker 1: the worst. I firmly believe she is probably not in
26:30
Speaker 1: that river. Well, her car is there is still locked, guys,
26:33
Speaker 1: And what I believe Nicole Parton is that her cell
26:36
Speaker 1: phone is still in the car. Yes, that's what I'm
26:39
Speaker 1: hearing her cell phone is still in the car. And
26:42
Speaker 1: again we know she had plans with her family. She
26:44
Speaker 1: was very excited about Christmas. She had a young niece
26:48
Speaker 1: that she was looking forward to spending the holidays with.
26:51
Speaker 1: She had plans on visiting the park for the day
26:55
Speaker 1: and returning home. So something tragically happened. Guys, take a
26:58
Speaker 1: list to our cut seven man. This is Carolynakordiver WKMG
27:02
Speaker 1: new six. Earlier today, the father of Faula Miranda Rosa
27:06
Speaker 1: came to this shopping center on curry Ford Road in
27:09
Speaker 1: East Orlando and handed out flyers like this went to passerbys.
27:13
Speaker 1: The family now telling me they've hired a private investigator
27:17
Speaker 1: to help in her search. Gustavo Mirandas spent the day
27:20
Speaker 1: posting flyers of his missing daughter around his neighborhood in
27:23
Speaker 1: East Orlando. A father living any parents worse tonightmare. Holding
27:28
Speaker 1: back tears, he says he just wants her to show up,
27:31
Speaker 1: describing his firstborn daughter as a smart, active and friendly girl.
27:36
Speaker 1: It's very out of character for her. We have such
27:38
Speaker 1: an open communication in my family. Faula Miranda Rosa was
27:42
Speaker 1: last seen December seventeenth, when she had lunch with family members.
27:46
Speaker 1: The next day, she was supposed to visit her sister
27:49
Speaker 1: Andrea Miranda, but she never showed up. She usually comes
27:53
Speaker 1: over on the weekends. She tries to make it in
27:55
Speaker 1: every weekend event to see her niece, my daughter, and
27:58
Speaker 1: that was the plan for I miss her so much,
28:01
Speaker 1: and you know, everything that passes where just like where
28:05
Speaker 1: is she? So right there? I'm learning more deal Carson
28:09
Speaker 1: every weekend and I know I did this myself. Or
28:12
Speaker 1: my little nephews are being brought up, I would go
28:14
Speaker 1: home to my hometown every weekend to be with them
28:19
Speaker 1: every weekend, rarely missed. What does that tell you, Well,
28:23
Speaker 1: there's no question that she intended to return, based on
28:27
Speaker 1: the fact that she put a deposit in the APM
28:30
Speaker 1: that you know, those are indicators that people continue with
28:34
Speaker 1: their lives. Something has happened to her, and in my perspective,
28:38
Speaker 1: she's more likely than not lost in those woods. As
28:41
Speaker 1: soon as you stepped away from the creek, you're in
28:44
Speaker 1: a situation where you don't know which is north or south.
28:48
Speaker 1: And if you don't have a compass, which she did
28:50
Speaker 1: not basically have any tracking mechanism with her, you could
28:55
Speaker 1: use a cell phone. If you had it with you
28:57
Speaker 1: to tell which cardinal direction there is, but she didn't
29:00
Speaker 1: have that, So she's lost in there and the only
29:03
Speaker 1: way to find her is, as Chris was mentioning, is
29:06
Speaker 1: did you actually do an actual foot search through a
29:10
Speaker 1: very impenetrable seven thousand acres to assure that she's just
29:15
Speaker 1: curled up somewhere waiting for rescue. Time stories with Nancy
29:32
Speaker 1: Grace Back to so called turtleman Chris Adams swamp survival expert.
29:39
Speaker 1: Did you hear what del Carson just said? How easy
29:42
Speaker 1: is it? How does it happen that you lose your
29:44
Speaker 1: sense of direction? Well, parts all over the country have
29:47
Speaker 1: trails for a reason, and if people go breaking those trails,
29:52
Speaker 1: that is how you get lost. The trails are to
29:55
Speaker 1: keep you safe and get you back to where you
29:57
Speaker 1: started from. And some of them, if you get off
30:00
Speaker 1: of them, yeah, you'll find your way back in five minutes.
30:03
Speaker 1: But in a lot of these places, and especially down
30:05
Speaker 1: in central Florida, where it's virtual jungle outside of open waterways,
30:11
Speaker 1: it's very easy to get lost and be panned up
30:13
Speaker 1: in there somewhere and you don't know how to get out.
30:16
Speaker 1: Simple as that. I'm just thinking of her in there,
30:19
Speaker 1: unable to get out to Lisa Daddio for a police
30:22
Speaker 1: lieutenant joining us. Do you remember when we couldn't find
30:27
Speaker 1: Gabby Petito And then another survivalist, a camper remembered taking
30:34
Speaker 1: video of her van, her van that she was traveling in,
30:39
Speaker 1: and based on where that camper took the video, when
30:43
Speaker 1: she came forward with the video, Red White and Bethune
30:46
Speaker 1: I think was their name, the cops found Gabby's body,
30:51
Speaker 1: a similar thing happening here, Lisa Daddio. Three weeks later,
30:55
Speaker 1: police finally get a lead from a group of hikers,
30:58
Speaker 1: footage that could be key to her fate. So where
31:03
Speaker 1: does that leave me? Yeah? Absolutely, I mean I think
31:06
Speaker 1: this is exactly that point. I mean, there's no doubt
31:10
Speaker 1: people that were walking that whole park, in that area
31:13
Speaker 1: along the riverbeds, you know, probably saw her and they
31:17
Speaker 1: don't even realize it yet because maybe they haven't seen it.
31:22
Speaker 1: You know, if I was a law enforcement working for
31:24
Speaker 1: law enforcement to see I'd be hitting every social media
31:27
Speaker 1: channel imaginable because I'm sure there's other people that have
31:31
Speaker 1: seen her that day or saw something that looks similar
31:35
Speaker 1: to her, and we need to just do a better
31:37
Speaker 1: job at getting all this information out there. I got
31:41
Speaker 1: another question to you, Chris Adams, expert in swamp survival.
31:45
Speaker 1: We see that picture of her, that video that these
31:48
Speaker 1: campers thought to take the video but didn't try to
31:54
Speaker 1: warn her. How likely is it that we can even
31:58
Speaker 1: identify that case? I mean, does that one area of
32:03
Speaker 1: the swamp look pretty much like another area of the swamp.
32:06
Speaker 1: How can we use that video that picture to isolate
32:10
Speaker 1: at seven thousand acres where she was in that case?
32:14
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to go back to the original source.
32:17
Speaker 1: And whoever took the video, I would ask them where
32:20
Speaker 1: they took the video. It's not like somebody can forget
32:23
Speaker 1: that quickly. I go and take pictures and video all
32:26
Speaker 1: across swamps and river bottoms in South Georgia, and I
32:30
Speaker 1: guarantee you I knew exactly where I took each one
32:32
Speaker 1: of them nearly. Yeah, you're right. So they're on a
32:34
Speaker 1: mark trail taking that video off you. You ought to
32:37
Speaker 1: be able to find it again. Chris Adams, What did
32:41
Speaker 1: you learn from the search for Brian laundry at Carlton Reserve,
32:46
Speaker 1: also a Florida swamp, And how can we apply what
32:51
Speaker 1: you learned to the search for Paola and the old
32:54
Speaker 1: words leave no stone unturned. You've got to go out
32:57
Speaker 1: there and look. And as simple as that, she may people, friends,
33:03
Speaker 1: members of the community, whoever wouldn't put help, They need
33:07
Speaker 1: to go out there and help this family. Take a
33:10
Speaker 1: list of our cut six from our friends at Spectrum
33:13
Speaker 1: News thirteen. During a search, friends at Family found Bauala's
33:16
Speaker 1: car abandoned in Wakaba Springs, Osila County. Shaf's office reports
33:20
Speaker 1: witnesses saw her at the park on Saturday, but eighteenth.
33:24
Speaker 1: More than one hundred and fifty law enforcement officers in
33:26
Speaker 1: Osila and Orange County search the area for three days
33:29
Speaker 1: and weren't able to find Faula. Officers don't suspect any
33:33
Speaker 1: foul play. We're not giving up hope we'll see her again.
33:36
Speaker 1: We're a family of faith and pray for her safe
33:38
Speaker 1: return and also our cut nine. This is our friend
33:42
Speaker 1: Christie Tournament Channel nine. A father on his knees praying
33:46
Speaker 1: for his daughter's safe return. It's been two weeks since
33:49
Speaker 1: family has seen or heard from thirty one year old Payola.
33:52
Speaker 1: Marie Miranda Rosa of Osiola County. It's my babies, my friend,
33:58
Speaker 1: everything Yvonne Rosa is ringing in the new year, desperately
34:02
Speaker 1: looking for answers and her daughter's disappearance. Half of her
34:05
Speaker 1: heart is missing, like half of her life is missing.
34:08
Speaker 1: Through a translator, the mother says this is out of
34:11
Speaker 1: character for her daughter. They have a best friend relationship,
34:14
Speaker 1: the one that a mother daughter always wants. She would
34:16
Speaker 1: speak to her five, six times a day, talk to
34:19
Speaker 1: her all day. Miranda Rosa's car was found abandoned in
34:22
Speaker 1: Wakaiva Springs State Park last week. Tips led the family
34:26
Speaker 1: to a popco where they gathered New Year's Eve to
34:28
Speaker 1: hang flyers. The family doing everything they can, including creating
34:33
Speaker 1: a caravan, drumming at leads, using posters, banging anyone and
34:40
Speaker 1: everyone for help. But I mean, how difficult is it,
34:43
Speaker 1: Chris Adams. You can't really go shoulder to shoulder and
34:46
Speaker 1: a swamp full of alligators where you just gotta try
34:49
Speaker 1: you best. I know, if I lost a loved one
34:52
Speaker 1: somewhere out in the wilderness and I didn't know where
34:55
Speaker 1: they were at, I pulled every stuff and make every
34:57
Speaker 1: effort try and get out there and find them. So
34:59
Speaker 1: my hats off to this family and to the friends
35:01
Speaker 1: that want to help do that to Nicole parton joining
35:04
Speaker 1: us Crime online dot Com. What is happening right now? Oh,
35:08
Speaker 1: police are basically saying that they've done all they can
35:10
Speaker 1: do in the state part, but as you said, Paula's
35:14
Speaker 1: family is continuing every effort that they can. They are
35:19
Speaker 1: also saying that they are a strong family of space.
35:21
Speaker 1: They're praying for a miracle and that she will be found.
35:25
Speaker 1: Play think a miracle will be getting lawn for us
35:28
Speaker 1: back out there, because I mean, deal Carson, Chris Adams
35:31
Speaker 1: of how many weeks did the FBI and the police
35:35
Speaker 1: search for Brian Laundry and Carlton Reserve. They didn't give
35:38
Speaker 1: up after seventy two hours, Deal Carson, Well, they were
35:41
Speaker 1: looking for a fugitive. And what's more important is this
35:44
Speaker 1: woman is innocent of any crime. They should redouble the
35:48
Speaker 1: efforts to locate her and just getting on the ground
35:52
Speaker 1: searching very carefully. And there's another issue, which is the
35:57
Speaker 1: warm weather is bringing out the other riptile are in
36:00
Speaker 1: the swamps, areas like moccasins. To you, Chris Adams, I
36:04
Speaker 1: know you're heading back out onto the swarmping right now.
36:07
Speaker 1: Is that true? I mean, that's true. I've looked at
36:09
Speaker 1: the weather since December seven, tink down around Orlando, and
36:13
Speaker 1: it's been pretty constient, seventies and eighties, getting down into
36:17
Speaker 1: the sixties at night. With those temperatures, you've got your
36:21
Speaker 1: venomous reptiles like rattlesnakes or watermarksins crawling and though they
36:26
Speaker 1: are a lingering thread, if you don't watch where you're
36:29
Speaker 1: putting your feet, they are out and about. And that's
36:31
Speaker 1: just the simple truth of it. Okay, guys, take a
36:33
Speaker 1: listen to our cut eleven w k M jus six.
36:38
Speaker 1: We've been finding flyers for Miranda Rosa down these trails
36:41
Speaker 1: here behind me, where there are difficult areas to reach
36:44
Speaker 1: unless you're on foot. The Ossiola County Sheriff's office bringing
36:47
Speaker 1: in specialized equipment and hopes of finding any sign of
36:50
Speaker 1: the missing woman. You know, she did go into this
36:52
Speaker 1: area in the water. Hopefully it will shut some light
36:54
Speaker 1: to where she's at. Ossola County Sheriff Marcos Lopez joining
36:58
Speaker 1: a team of eight Marine trein deputies Wakaiva Springs State
37:01
Speaker 1: Park the search for missing thirty one year old Paola
37:03
Speaker 1: Miranda Rosa coming to this spot after video taken by
37:06
Speaker 1: hikers December eighteenth shows her waiting in the water. You know,
37:10
Speaker 1: it's just the last known sighting of her being alive.
37:14
Speaker 1: Walking into that area, Lopez says he's hoping she walked
37:17
Speaker 1: out safely, but if not, this underwater camera system will
37:21
Speaker 1: help see into hard to reach areas of the Waikiwa River.
37:24
Speaker 1: We'll take this pontoon boat, go over about halfway in
37:26
Speaker 1: there and take the camera system and scour it and
37:29
Speaker 1: turn it and look and at Deputy's planned on searching
37:32
Speaker 1: nearly five miles of water. The ship line four zero
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Speaker 1: seven three four eight two two two Nancy Grace Crumb
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Speaker 1: story signing off, goodbye friend,