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INTERVIEW: Tasha Cobbs Leonard Talks New Album 'TASHA', Finding Her Calling, Her Father's Impact + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Every day, Click up the Breakfast Club, finish for.
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  Speaker 2: Y'all, dump mourning, Everybody's dej n V. Just hilarious, Charlamagne
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  Speaker 2: the Guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We got a
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  Speaker 2: special guest in the building. Her album's out right now, Tasha.
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  Speaker 2: We have Tasha Cobbs learn Welcome.
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  Speaker 3: What's up? Good morning? You look beautiful?
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  Speaker 4: Thank you?
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  Speaker 3: How you feeling cold? Yes, it's freezing outside, but it's
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  Speaker 3: all right.
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  Speaker 5: It's freezing it there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, y'all, all right, new album Tasha out right now.
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  Speaker 1: When people name their albums like their name, usually it's
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  Speaker 1: very personal.
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  Speaker 3: So I know that that's what this is. Yes. I
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  Speaker 3: remember Karen Clark sheared a few years ago.
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  Speaker 4: She did an album called Finally Karen, And I always
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  Speaker 4: wonder why did she name this album Finally Karen? And
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  Speaker 4: when I got to this album, I completely understood that
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  Speaker 4: she was in a place where she was just settled
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  Speaker 4: with herself, like this is who I am, this is
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  Speaker 4: what I have to offer, And that's what this album
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  Speaker 4: is about.
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  Speaker 1: For me.
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  Speaker 4: It is a testimony, so many testimonies bottled up in
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  Speaker 4: a bunch of songs from you know, from miscarriages to
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  Speaker 4: grief to celebrations and blended families.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, everything is in there. God, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: How did the gospel community feel when you put when
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  Speaker 1: you put yourself as the.
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  Speaker 4: Focus, it's you know what it's It's more so about
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  Speaker 4: the testimony that God has been faithful through those through
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  Speaker 4: those seasons, and I feel like it has been accepted
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  Speaker 4: much better because a lot of times we can hide
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  Speaker 4: behind like this fog of everything is holy, holy, holy, holy,
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  Speaker 4: you never go through anything. And I think people can
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  Speaker 4: relate more when you tell the truth about your story
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  Speaker 4: that there are some seasons where I was sitting down
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  Speaker 4: like God, what are you doing?
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  Speaker 6: You know?
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  Speaker 3: And people can relate to that.
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  Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, even when we
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  Speaker 4: went into the writing sessions, my main thing was we're
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  Speaker 4: going to always offer hope that we tell our truth.
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  Speaker 4: At the end of the day is still faithful and
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  Speaker 4: He's been good and it has been received so well
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  Speaker 4: by so many people.
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  Speaker 2: We talked about all these things that you've been going through.
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  Speaker 2: You're never scared to put that much personal information out,
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  Speaker 2: especially because people always say church folks are the most judging.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you never.
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  Speaker 3: You know what not judge, but boyoh my goodness, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I.
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  Speaker 4: Last year I released a book called Do It Anyway,
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  Speaker 4: and that was probably one of the most transparent things
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  Speaker 4: I've ever had to do, is like memoirs. So I
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  Speaker 4: went back into my life and my story, and I
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  Speaker 4: realized that sometimes we can put these songs out and
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  Speaker 4: people think you just singing pretty pretty melodies like your
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  Speaker 4: like your story is disconnected from it. And I and
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  Speaker 4: I saw through that book and the response of it
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  Speaker 4: that people wanted to hear more about the story. And
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  Speaker 4: so I'm willing to be transparent if it's going to
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  Speaker 4: be somebody's healing, you know, if if somebody's healing its
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  Speaker 4: connected to it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm willing to be transparent and tell my story.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's what the gospel is, you know,
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  Speaker 4: just you know, telling, being honest about what you've gone
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  Speaker 4: through and how God has always been faithful in delivering
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  Speaker 4: you from that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, people always say that, they say your music
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  Speaker 1: is always felt like a bridge between traditional worship and
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  Speaker 1: the emotional realities of every day people. So what you're
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  Speaker 1: saying makes sense. But how is your understanding of calling
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  Speaker 1: evolved as your platform is bro.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, it is with every presentation or every entity.
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  Speaker 4: So with every album I listen back to, like some
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  Speaker 4: of the older albums like Smile and Grace, and I
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  Speaker 4: hear this innocence that sometimes I honestly miss because being
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  Speaker 4: exposed in industry and being exposed to different platforms, it
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  Speaker 4: introduces you to things that you can't forget.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's almost like I want to get back
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  Speaker 3: to that.
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  Speaker 4: But then too, you know, I've experienced so much life
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  Speaker 4: and so many testimonies of how God has been so
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  Speaker 4: good in every season. You know, you have this interesting
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  Speaker 4: dichotomy like, hey, you know, the innocence was great, but
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  Speaker 4: then the experience is really good too, because now I
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  Speaker 4: have testimonies that I can share that teach other people.
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  Speaker 2: The only awards you won Grammy Awards, still awards, Double Wars,
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  Speaker 2: Billboard Music Awards.
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  Speaker 5: Right, what is success to you now? Because you didne
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  Speaker 5: achieved everything as far as award wise, So what is
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  Speaker 5: success to you? What do you? What do you if
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  Speaker 5: you're chasing? What are you chasing now? If anything?
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  Speaker 3: Wow?
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  Speaker 4: I love the season that I'm in. I'm married now,
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  Speaker 4: I have children, you know, family, that's my thing.
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  Speaker 3: I love to be home. I'm just coming off of
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  Speaker 3: sixty days sabbatical. It was just amazing.
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  Speaker 4: I love being at home with my kids and with
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  Speaker 4: my family, My husband and I we pastor a church,
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  Speaker 4: you know, so building community and family in the local
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  Speaker 4: like a local church has always been my heart.
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  Speaker 3: So I pursue that.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, I believe that God honors my commitment
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  Speaker 4: there and it still gives him this trust, like I
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  Speaker 4: can trust you with greater things because you are still
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  Speaker 4: committed to my local community, the people.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the mother is in the church. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: I still love that.
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  Speaker 1: I love.
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  Speaker 4: I still love to be able to touch people and
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  Speaker 4: relate to the and have community with them. So if
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  Speaker 4: I'm pursuing anything, it would be that to be the
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  Speaker 4: best me that I could be to the people that
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  Speaker 4: I see every day.
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  Speaker 2: And how do you give those church people hope? Because
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  Speaker 2: right now I feel like this is where people needed
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  Speaker 2: the most.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Groceries are high, builds a high, people are not making money.
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  Speaker 2: They feel like it's a crazy world with everything that's
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  Speaker 2: going on. How do you give those people hope?
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  Speaker 4: Now?
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  Speaker 7: Man?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the first answer that comes to mind is
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  Speaker 4: I keep giving them Jesus. But number two, one of
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  Speaker 4: the things that we focus on is what I'm talking
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  Speaker 4: about now community.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of people in our.
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  Speaker 4: Church, they are business owners, you know, they're entrepreneurs. And
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  Speaker 4: so within that community, if I can encourage everybody, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: we're gonna rally around each other. If you got a
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  Speaker 4: lawn service, we gonna use you if you you know
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  Speaker 4: those I think we have to now in this season,
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  Speaker 4: use strategy, even in the Kingdom, Like you gotta use strategy.
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  Speaker 4: Even though you know we trust God and He's gonna
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  Speaker 4: be faithful and he's gonna take care of us. But
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  Speaker 4: I still think we have to be wise with how
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  Speaker 4: we manage what God has entrusted us with. And so
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  Speaker 4: that's one of the things that we want to do.
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  Speaker 4: Continue to build community, support one another, support each other's businesses,
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  Speaker 4: and I believe we'll thrive that way.
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  Speaker 1: An impartation the sharing of what is the sharing of
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  Speaker 1: something valuable yourself?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, you find it Like when you read about Acts,
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  Speaker 4: there was this moment where people were like selling their
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  Speaker 4: goods and they would bring all of the good everything
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  Speaker 4: that they earned from the goods. And that's how the
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  Speaker 4: community survived, is that they would come to the church
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  Speaker 4: because people would bring all of their arms and their
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  Speaker 4: goods to the church and the community survived in that way.
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  Speaker 3: Oh you can go. Okay. When you were just talking,
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  Speaker 3: I love y'all. You were just talking about community, saying,
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  Speaker 3: don't guess this turmoil crazy what you were saying about community, right,
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  Speaker 3: I I always like find it. I don't know what
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  Speaker 3: it is like.
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  Speaker 6: The youth will not willingly come to the church. Back
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  Speaker 6: back when I was younger, we we were more like,
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  Speaker 6: we did want to go. We The only complaint that
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  Speaker 6: I had was church was too long. But I still
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  Speaker 6: wanted to go.
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  Speaker 3: I still received the word. You know, my uncle. I
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  Speaker 3: went to my uncle church.
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  Speaker 6: He's best and he he was able to break it
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  Speaker 6: down in a way where everybody got it right. I'm
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  Speaker 6: just trying to figure out what the disconnect is between
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  Speaker 6: the church and the young people.
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  Speaker 3: I go to church and I don't see young people.
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  Speaker 5: I ain't go front. I was forced.
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  Speaker 1: We had to go.
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  Speaker 3: Because it was too long and it was born.
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  Speaker 5: You're going to church, you go sit in that back.
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  Speaker 5: You're gonna shut that up, Baptist church.
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  Speaker 3: But I do think that I don't think. I don't
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  Speaker 3: like we were made to go. I don't think.
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  Speaker 4: I think a lot of kids now are having they
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  Speaker 4: get to choose, and I think sometimes as parents we
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  Speaker 4: have to gauge it, like manage our kids and what
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  Speaker 4: they're exposed to. So I do think some of the
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  Speaker 4: responsibility may be on the parent, parental figure in their lives.
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  Speaker 4: But I think church has changed a little bit too,
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  Speaker 4: because you have different options for teenagers. Like at our church,
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  Speaker 4: so our teens they participate in worship and then we
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  Speaker 4: release them to their own things, so they get taught,
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  Speaker 4: They have different games, stuff that they play when they
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  Speaker 4: go out, like we had Sunday School and all that
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  Speaker 4: kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Now they actually have children's church.
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  Speaker 4: So a lot of times, what I'm finding even in
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  Speaker 4: our church is now kids are being drawn to just
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  Speaker 4: different styles of worship. Now, let me tell you this,
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  Speaker 4: kids these days don't want fluff. They don't want all
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  Speaker 4: the religious fluff feed. They want a real God, you know,
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  Speaker 4: And a lot of times we have to bring that
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  Speaker 4: to them, like okay, all of that other really just
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  Speaker 4: stuff that we were taught. We got to take give
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  Speaker 4: them just the meat they want, the meat of who
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  Speaker 4: God is, and I think they'll really pursue it much better.
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  Speaker 3: Like I have two teenage well she's nineteenager more.
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  Speaker 4: We have a twenty three year old and I have
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  Speaker 4: a nineteen year old, and some of the questions that
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  Speaker 4: they ask us just about God, it's it's totally It's
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  Speaker 4: much more mature than some of the questions I would
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  Speaker 4: have asked at nineteen because they're exposed to so much more.
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  Speaker 4: And I feel like we have to take the fluff
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  Speaker 4: off and just give them like the meat of who
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  Speaker 4: God is, and that's what they really want.
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  Speaker 1: And I think being having it rooted in real life experiences,
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  Speaker 1: like like how your outu is. Like when I listen
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  Speaker 1: to Pastor Torrey or Sara Jax Roberts or bish you
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  Speaker 1: TDJAS when they're preaching, it's rooted in something real ask
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  Speaker 1: me going on that we're dealing with, and here are
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  Speaker 1: the scriptures that can.
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  Speaker 3: Help you get yep, something they can relate to.
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  Speaker 7: And I also think too, like when you get the
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  Speaker 7: kids back into church and you take away all the
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  Speaker 7: fluff you give them kind of like a foundation to
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  Speaker 7: like go through every day life with yeah you got
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  Speaker 7: this on church with John Legend and talk about teach
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  Speaker 7: me how to church on the Monday.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, break that day for us. So I feel like
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  Speaker 4: there are people when I went into this album. One
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  Speaker 4: of the things that I wanted to do. I remember
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  Speaker 4: Kirk Franklin, Mary Mary. Back in the day, they used
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  Speaker 4: to have these songs where I was like, I don't
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  Speaker 4: want the person who just got saved Sunday to miss out.
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  Speaker 4: I want to give them something they can relate to.
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  Speaker 4: And the truth is they may come to church and
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  Speaker 4: they may not understand everything, like they may not understand
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  Speaker 4: the church lingo and what we're doing, but they can
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  Speaker 4: understand lyrics that says, Okay, God, I love what I
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  Speaker 4: felt Sunday, But teach me how to get that in
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  Speaker 4: my house today. Teach me how to feel you, teach
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  Speaker 4: me how to pray, Teach me how to love on
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  Speaker 4: you and build a personal relationship with you today.
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  Speaker 3: So that's where that song came from. Because the preacher
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  Speaker 3: ain't gonna be in your house.
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  Speaker 4: You ain't gonna have a keyboard player there, Like how
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  Speaker 4: do I build relationship with God on my day to day?
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  Speaker 3: And that's what that song is about.
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  Speaker 7: And yet day to day because on your first song
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  Speaker 7: on the album, I needed God you or I need
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  Speaker 7: God You talk about dealing with like social media comments
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  Speaker 7: and like the end of day and I've never thought
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  Speaker 7: about gospel people dealing with because it was so like,
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  Speaker 7: I know, I pushed back, but he's never talked about
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  Speaker 7: comments and being in the comments.
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  Speaker 3: I was when I heard that.
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  Speaker 7: I'm like, I wonder what she deals with on a
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  Speaker 7: day to day just like, all right, I see y'all
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  Speaker 7: leave me alone, Like how what is your experience like
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  Speaker 7: with that?
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  Speaker 4: Everybody has an opinion about everything, and sometimes can they
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  Speaker 4: say in the comments though they oh no, did they
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  Speaker 4: talk about your clothes, They talk about your head, they
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  Speaker 4: talk about you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, just everything. It's the same.
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  Speaker 4: And I guess it's the platforms that have been given
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  Speaker 4: through social media.
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  Speaker 3: You have to manage it.
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  Speaker 4: You have to you know, it could be good, it
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  Speaker 4: could be bad, depending on how people use it. And
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  Speaker 4: sometimes we're human, you know, you get in the comments
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  Speaker 4: and you're like, wait a minute, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Because it's it's like you you're you're focusing on okay.
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  Speaker 4: So one of the last things that happened with me,
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  Speaker 4: I wore a red outfit to the Stellar Awards.
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  Speaker 3: It was amazing. I mean that people was like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: she sold her soul to the devil, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: color red. I'm like, what in the world.
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  Speaker 4: I could not believe it, and so I literally had
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  Speaker 4: to just take a moment away from social media because
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, y'all miss the whole moment. It was like,
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  Speaker 4: this is on television, millions of people are going to
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  Speaker 4: be watching. I had an opportunity just to spread the
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  Speaker 4: word of Jesus, and y'all talking.
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  Speaker 3: About my clothes, you know.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's so, You're right, I have to just kind
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  Speaker 4: of pull away sometimes and refocus on what my calling
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  Speaker 4: is and who I'm called to.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of call, and when did you first realize
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  Speaker 1: that the ministry God gave you wasn't just about singing
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  Speaker 1: but about impart.
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  Speaker 3: That's a good question.
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  Speaker 7: I love this.
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  Speaker 4: So my dad was a pastor, so they calling me
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  Speaker 4: a p K all right, And he started passoring when
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  Speaker 4: I was ten years old. And I came from a
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  Speaker 4: family of singers, so everybody singing, all of my aunts,
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  Speaker 4: all my cousins, everybody, And I wasn't like the.
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  Speaker 3: Singer in the family.
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  Speaker 4: My dad actually was cultivating me to be a speaker,
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  Speaker 4: like a communicator. So my first sermon I appreciated when
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  Speaker 4: I was ten years old and I wasn't really singing
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  Speaker 4: on a stage like that. But I grew up in
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  Speaker 4: a small town called jessep, Georgia, and we were bored.
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  Speaker 4: So we started like this teenage choir. Everybody it was
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  Speaker 4: like fifty of us. We had band singers, all that
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  Speaker 4: kind of stuff, and we were singing Kirk Franklin song
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  Speaker 4: Now Behold the Lamb by Tamla Man and the lead
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  Speaker 4: singer could not make it. He got a minor fender
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  Speaker 4: bender could make it to the concert. So everybody was like, Tasha, Tasha,
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  Speaker 4: you got to sing out. I was like, guys, I
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  Speaker 4: don't sing in front of people.
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  Speaker 3: What's wrong with y'all?
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  Speaker 4: So, needless to say, I ended up singing the song
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  Speaker 4: that night, and just like people do now, when I
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  Speaker 4: open my.
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  Speaker 3: Eyes, people were crying, they were in the floor in worship.
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  Speaker 4: I'm looking at my dad like, okay, this sing what
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  Speaker 4: we've been doing, this is different. They're looking back at me,
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  Speaker 4: and I think we realized at that moment that the
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  Speaker 4: singing and the songs would be an avenue that would
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  Speaker 4: be used for me to also get the gospel to people.
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  Speaker 4: So it wasn't like a dream either. I just loved,
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  Speaker 4: Like I just said, I loved singing in church. I
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  Speaker 4: loved building a choir.
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  Speaker 3: That was my thing.
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  Speaker 4: So it was never a dream to be on like
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  Speaker 4: major platforms. I just loved being in church, Like I
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  Speaker 4: got disciplined by not being able to go to church,
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  Speaker 4: like what you talk about. I was one of the
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  Speaker 4: kids who was on the front roll.
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  Speaker 3: I'm now early. I loved church.
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  Speaker 4: So for for this plat for me to have the
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  Speaker 4: platforms that I have now, it's just something new. It's
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  Speaker 4: it's not something that I dreamed about I thought about.
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  Speaker 4: I just loved to sing. I love to worship and
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  Speaker 4: I love God's work.
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  Speaker 7: You talk about your your dad, and I know you
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  Speaker 7: have your song do it anyway on the project, And
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  Speaker 7: I can't imagine how emotional that was for you recording
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  Speaker 7: that song because I know it's based off feel like
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  Speaker 7: a lot of life lessons you give you in.
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  Speaker 3: Your book yep, yep.
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  Speaker 7: So talk about, you know, deciding to put that on
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  Speaker 7: this album and get the process of like writing it
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  Speaker 7: and recording it. What that was like for you emotionally.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. When I when I wrote the book, I wrote
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  Speaker 4: it off of my dad's the the last thing that
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  Speaker 4: he taught me, the last lesson that he left with me.
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  Speaker 4: We were on the way to the Stellars. I just
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  Speaker 4: released the song Break Every Chain, and I was nominated.
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  Speaker 3: For several awards.
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: And my dad was an old school pastor, so for
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: him to leave on a Sunday it meant the world
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: to me. So my dad and my mom came to
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: Nashville and he was They had like this catwalk that year,
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: and my song was positioned in the middle of the
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: room and he was literally probably three seats away from me,
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: and I could see him just beaming from ear to ear.
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: But leading up to going to the Stellars, the Grammys
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: were seven days later, and he kept saying, Dadd's gonna
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: be with you in Nashville. I'm not going to LA,
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: but I want you to go anyway, like we're thinking, Okay,
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: nobody ever thought she was going to lav you know,
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: And I thought that's why he was saying that. So
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: he showed up in Nashville and on the way. I
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: won three awards that night, and the last picture I
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: have of him is him holding my awards up getting
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: on the elevator. He was getting on the elevator said Dad,
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: oh wait a minute, let me stop you and take
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: a picture of let me see the backstory is my
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: daddy paid for my independent project with his full savings.
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: He's spent his whole savis and so for years he
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: kept saying when does the executive produce.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: To get his money back? But that was his arm,
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: that was his one joke.
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: So I promised him that if I ever won awards,
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: I would give them to him. So that night he
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: took those three Stellar awards home and he was so
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: so so proud. The next morning, he had a heart
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: attack in the car and he and he died with
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: my mom in the car, but he saved her life.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: Like even in that it was just the story is
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: just absolutely amazing, Like.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: Oh for sure.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so my mom my dad they dated since she
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: was thirteen years old. They were the only two they
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: ever been with. And in the car, so you know,
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: my father had the heart attack immediately, they're basically saying
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: that he passed away, but even in death, he lifted
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: his foot up off of the gas and you know,
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: gravity is gonna make you press the gas. He was driving,
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: he lifted his foot up off the gas while he
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: was having a heart attack, and the car just kind
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: of floated into a ditch, so that my mom wasn't
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: harmed at all, and she was able to get out
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: and just run across the street and say, hey, I
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: think my husband's having a heart attack.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: I think he's having a heart attack.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: And in that moment, my dad used to always say,
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: if I ever get a glimpse of God's glory, I'm
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: not coming back. So that's how I think he's like,
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: he ain't coming He's not coming back. But I remember
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: him saying, baby, Daddy's not gonna be with you in LA,
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: but I want you to go anyway. And I and
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: in that I believe that he was teaching me that
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: life is gonna get hard, your heart is going to
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: be broken, You're not gonna understand the seasons that you're in.
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: But Daddy wants you to dig deep and do it
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: anyway whatever you feel like God has called you to do.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: And so that was the last lesson that he left
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: with me. My father was fifty four. Yeah, but he
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: was a great man. He got paid. I'm he said,
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: what is executive produce? To get his money back? Didn't
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: you know what? I didn't have it to pay him.
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: I was trying.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: I'm taking it. Yeah, I always tried, y'all.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: They You've always been transparent about like therapy and and
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: doing in the work. What do you feel the faith
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: community still misunderstands about mental health?
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Oh, my goodness.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: You know, I think there's a greater focus on it
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: than there has been in the past. And I feel
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: like many people who are who have platforms are talking
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: about it more like you were just mentioning Sarah. Sarah
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: is very adamant about pushing like with her Woman Evolve.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: They talk about it all the time. We always have
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: therapists there. She's a good good friend of mine, And
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: I feel like more people are being open about it.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: It wasn't just it was something that was just kind
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: of taboo, you know, because we.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Got the Holy goals. You know, God's gonna help with everything.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: And I think now we can just kind of teach
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: it a little different that God uses people to help us.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: You know, most of the time, what you will find
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: when God is going to do something in the earth,
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: he's going to use a man to do a person
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: to do it. And so I feel like there's a
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: greater emphasis on it. We could do better. You know,
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: you have therapists like Kobe Campbell, She's absolutely amazing. If
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: you've never heard her of, y'all gotta go just kind.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Of read some of the stuff that she does. You know,
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: she's absolutely amazing.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: So you have a lot of God centered Kingdom therapists
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: who are being exposed now, and I think, Jack, yes,
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: oh my goodness, yeah. And so you have a lot
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: more of that that can be trusted. And they're relevant,
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: like we were saying, you know, it's it's like they
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: know the language, but they also have the education to
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: help you manage like your mental health. And I think
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: it's great. I think it's a lot more exposure. We
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: can do better, but I think we're getting good at it.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: When did you know you needed it? Like you know,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: you know, if you're faith for us and you believe
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: God is enough, you know I needed I need therapy too.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: I remember, man.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: It was about twenty ten, and I was actually a
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: worship leader at my church, and I would go to
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: church and I would like sing these songs just like
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: I was just talking about, and watch people be healed,
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: watch them have moments in the presence of God. And
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: I would go home for like three and four days
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: in the dark under the covers, crying. Didn't understand why
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: just you know, just heavy. And I remember one night
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: it just got so heavy. My cousin was my roommate,
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: and she was like, Tasha, I gotta go like it is.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: You could feel it in my house, you know.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: And I remember probably after she left, maybe two nights later,
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: I just woke up in the middle of light like
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: I gotta do something about this, Like I can't. I
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: can't continue to offer hope and inspire people. And I'm
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: in this dark place every day. There has to be more,
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: you know, for me going to therapy. Mine was self rejection.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: I dealt with rejection very bad. I was you know,
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: we celebrate O. Taasha got in trouble because she didn't
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: want to go to church. This is but along with
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: that was the persona of perfection. Like I adopted this perfection.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: I remember being ten years old and one of the
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: deacons from my church would come to me and say, hey,
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: my son is in your class. Make sure he doing
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: his homework. Can you imagine a weight of responsibility a
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: ten year old has to take on. So I adopted
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: this thing like I can't have any flaws, I can't
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: have any issues. I gotta be perfect, And so I
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: hit my flaws for years, and that went into adulthood
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: and it just turned into this darkness like I can't
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: accept who I am because I don't think people will
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: accept it. I don't think they'll love me, you know,
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: I don't think they want me. And so mine was
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: really birth from self rejection.
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: Do you have a question your faith?
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Like all the things that you've been talking about that
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: you went through and I see all the things that
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: you wrote on the.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Album Cover the World, which I love you take that
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: down fire?
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: Did you have a question in your faith? I did,
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: you know what?
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: And it wasn't during those times that I was just
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: talking about. It was actually more recent.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: My husband and I went through a miscarriage and in
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: that time, you know, I was like, man, God, I
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: spend my life worshiping you. I spend my life inspiring
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: and teaching the Gospel of Jesus. And the one thing
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: that I really wanted was the one thing that I
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: did not get. And I remember walking through that season
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: and I questioned, you know, my faith was shattered. I
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: remember calling my mentor, William Murphy and I said, met,
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: my faith is shattered right now, and he was like, good,
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: that's a perfect place for God to put you back together.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: And I was like, of course, you don't want to
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: hear that right now. I'm like, okay, we don't want
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: this lesson right now.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: But it was the truth that during that season, I
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: realized just how weak my faith was, that hey, it's
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: the one thing that you wanted, but God wants to
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: do it differently. I have a friend who her name
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: is Jackie Green, and she says this. She was like,
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: we all we often want God's will, you know, we
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: want the promises, we want the prophecies, and we want
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: the blessings, but we don't stick around to hear his way.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: And God's way for us was adoption. You know, we
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: have a beautiful baby boy. His name is Asher. He's
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: four years old, and he looks like us, acts like us.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: He's a perfect fit to our family. And it was
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: God's way, not our way. And when I you know,
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: when I relinquished that like thinking it has to be
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: done this way and I allow God to do it
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: his way.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: You know, my faith was is so much stronger.
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: You know, it's so much stronger in your faith being
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: stronger and something like what you just talked about with
• 23:02
  Speaker 7: your fertility journey, when you when you're opening up and
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: kind of being honest about that, because I know you
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: also talked about this in your book as well too.
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: What do you tell others who they're not at that
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: silver line yet? Like, because I'm sure it took you
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: some time, Yeah, you to this point. Yeah, how do
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: you because you say you want to bring hope all
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: the time, how do you coach someone through a challenge
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: of faith like what you went through?
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: Wow? You take it day by day, you know, and
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: you feel what you feel every day. There were some
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: days where I, you know, people would try to call
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, I don't want to hear it. I
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: don't want to hear a scripture. I don't want to
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: hear prayer, you know, because y'all are the same people
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: that's telling me you won't have a kid.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: You don't have a kid, you know. And I feel like,
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: you know, God is God.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: He is not moved off of his throne by our humanity,
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: you know, And I think we've made it seem like
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: we can say things, are do things that offend him
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: and make him less God. That's you know, he wants
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: our truth. The Bible talks about worshiping in spirit and
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: in true truth. And the truth is is that in
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: that moment, you don't feel like it. You know, you don't,
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: you don't feel the strength of your faith, and you
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: don't feel encouraged. And God wants that truth too, just
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: as much as he wants us when we're on a mountain,
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: he wants us when we're in the valley too.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: When you think about your father, God blessed that you
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: think about like miscarriages, How is grief shifted the way
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: you minister the people?
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I love this question because a lot
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: of times we minister from a place like we just
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: want to you know, I just want to my songs
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: to be rooted in scripture, rooted in scripture. But sometimes
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: we also have to have cultural intelligence about the people
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: that we're ministering too, Like there are people who are
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: dealing with grief for real, and they don't want the
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: fluff like we were just talking about. They want the honesty.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: And so for me, it kind of shifted my approach
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: and ministry that I'm thinking there are people though there
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: may be thousands of people out here in this arena
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: or wherever I am, but they are dealing with real grief,
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: real heartbreak, and they don't want a false hop, you know,
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: they don't want the fake this is just a pretty song.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: They want somebody who's gonna reach their heart, you know,
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: And what comes from my heart, I believe will reach
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: their heart. And so yeah, those experiences really changed the
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: way that I minister. I remember after my dad died,
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: about two weeks later, I had a concert because I
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: canceled everything for about two weeks, and I was in
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: la standing on the stage and I remember just being
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: heartbroken and people are still worshiping, you know, they're still
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: with their hands lifted, but I'm on the stage destroyed,
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: like my heart is broken. And a song from my
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: childhood came back to me. And the song, you know,
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: it says, I'll.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: Say yes, Laury, yes to your willing, to your way.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: I'll say yes, Lauries, I will trust you and obey.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: And then it says, when your spirit speaks to me, and.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: I changed the lyric right there on the stage with
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: my broken heart, I'll still agree and.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: My answer will be yes, Lord, Yes.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: And in that moment, I realized that my gift wasn't
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: just for the cloud, that it was also for me,
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: Like in those broken moments. God gave me a gift
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: that would help usher me through different seasons too. You
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: got on the album God in the Valley, the Hend
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: that keeps On Holding Me. Those songs are very much
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: like the song you just sang, yeah, And I really
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: feel like so many people are relating to those songs
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: because it speaks directly to their season, especially right now
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: in the world that we're in. People don't you know,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: like you were saying, people don't know sometimes where their
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: next meal is gonna come from. You know, there are
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: mothers and fathers who are really challenged about how they're
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: going to take care of their families. And I feel like,
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: you know, we have to offer some hope with the
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: gifts that we have. And my gift is music. My
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: gift is teaching. And if I can offer one person hope,
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: you know, through my gifts, that's my desire.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: And this is a live album. So this is my
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: first studio album.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, this is the first time I did a
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: studio All of the rest of them they were live, alright,
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: So how do you for a live album's?
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's no like, you don't go back, you
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: don't you stopping right, you know?
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: And I love the live albums because I'm a worship leader,
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: so you know, it gives me a moment with the crowd.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: We're we're vibing off of each other.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: The studio was actually harder for me. This was that
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: was a new space with no crowd. You know, I
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: enjoyed it eventually. My my husband is my producer, so
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: he's like kind of coaching me through it. But I
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: I I realized that we had an opportunity to bring
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: other elements in with the studio this time.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Like when you're doing live, you get what you get.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: You know, you got the background singers, the band is there,
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: you got the crowd, and you capture it that night.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: But this we had an opportunity to just walk it
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: out day by day, like we sat in writing sessions.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: I had a chance to kind of share my heart
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: with all of the writers. And then one of the
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: things that I loved the song with John Legend on church.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: People don't know this. Both of our family sing and
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: so we suppress them. They came to our church for
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: like a church anniversary and we set up one of
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: the rooms as a studio.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: So you hear our uncles and aunts, our parents are
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: all on there.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: Our cousins, so the background singers, so we had a
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: chance to bring in other elements that meant something to
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: us on this project and I love that, so.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Listen. No, they don't get paid round.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: This might be a stupid question, but how do you
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: feel the spirit in the studio. I feel like when
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: you're live, you probably feel that spirit, you know what
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I mean. But in the studio it's little manufactured.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: That was one of the it's not manufacturing.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: That was one of the challenges that just kind of
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: with me transitioning from the live crowd, feeding off of
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: the people to now.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: And the truth is is that I just envisioned the
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: people that I would be ministering to.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: Like I was just talking about the mother who may
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: have dropped her kid off and she's having a moment
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: and she's listening to church on a Monday. You know,
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: I'm seeing her in my spirit, like I really want
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: this song to minister to her. So it was still
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: a crowd, it was just different. It was a different
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: approach on how you know I addressed that crowd.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: I enjoyed that. I know you can't wait to sing
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: it live. Yeah, the reaction.
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: On your last album why don't know this was your
• 29:15
  Speaker 7: last album before this one, Heart Passion.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Pursuit, we did.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: I did another one called Him that was like a
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: gospel record, but the Heart Passion Pursuit, Yes, that was
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: a strong record. So on on that project, I know
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: that you had gotten some pushback for putting Nicki Minaj
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: on the album, right, and you've never like talked about
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: like why you chose to put Nicky on the album,
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: but you've always stood by she was meant to be
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: on that album. On this project, you open it with
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: La Craze and I instantly understand why he's.
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: On that song.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, can you talk a bit about why.
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: You chose Nicki Mina should be on that album and
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: putting Le Cray on this album? Like how do you
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: go about finding your features?
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: And like wh did that lead?
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: You? Spiritually stand by those moments because you still buy
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  Speaker 7: the Nicki Minaj moment piercely.
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  Speaker 4: Lots of lots of prayer with a Niki moment with
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  Speaker 4: the song I'm Getting Ready.
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  Speaker 3: I took a different approach.
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  Speaker 4: It was twenty seventeen, so this was before the pandemic,
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  Speaker 4: when people were just putting everything out and I really
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  Speaker 4: felt like during the rehearsals preparing for that record. We
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  Speaker 4: were in the studio for like seven days, and so
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  Speaker 4: we would sing the song, sing the songs, and I
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  Speaker 4: would just put like little clips out, like Okay, this
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  Speaker 4: is one of the songs we about to record.
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  Speaker 3: And Nicki saw one of the.
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  Speaker 4: Clips off I'm getting ready and she sent me a
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  Speaker 4: comment and was like, hey, Tasha, when you finished this song,
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  Speaker 4: send it to me. I'm gonna put sixteen bars on it.
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  Speaker 4: And she didn't DM me. She put that out there
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  Speaker 4: in front of the entire world, so everybody come see it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it was a comment, and so I was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: first of all, she's serious, this is crazy. And number two,
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  Speaker 4: I started just to just listen to that song, like
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  Speaker 4: you said, even with the Lule cray Win, and I
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: was like, you know, this song, it's a church vibe,
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  Speaker 4: but I really feel like this will work, especially with
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  Speaker 4: what the content of the song was.
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  Speaker 3: And so I did it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, after praying about it, I was like, you
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  Speaker 4: know what, I feel like platform that she has this
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  Speaker 4: is gonna expose some people who may not come to
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  Speaker 4: our churches, may not ever get a gospel record. But
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  Speaker 4: now if a Nicki Minaj follower will listen to a
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  Speaker 4: song that said I'm getting ready to see something I've
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  Speaker 4: never seen, the blessings of the Lord.
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  Speaker 3: Like that was just different.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, man, okay, this is an opportunity to
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  Speaker 4: spread the gospel, and so we did it.
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  Speaker 3: I sent her a song.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, she said it right back. I was like,
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  Speaker 4: this is amazing, and so that's really it's really how
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  Speaker 4: that happened. And we One of the things that people
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  Speaker 4: don't know is that we also had relationship. So like
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  Speaker 4: NICKI would text me, you know, I would text her,
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  Speaker 4: check on her, that kind of stuff. And so said, again,
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  Speaker 4: oh absolutely, yeah, yeah, not as often now, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: I just love Nikki.
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  Speaker 3: I love her.
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  Speaker 4: I love her, and you know, just like anybody else
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  Speaker 4: that we love family members. There are some things that
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  Speaker 4: we don't agree with, you know, but at the end
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  Speaker 4: of the day, I love her. I want the best
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  Speaker 4: for her, you know. And that's what that was about.
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  Speaker 4: Even the last songs. I did a song on her
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  Speaker 4: record called Blessings and it came about the kind of
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  Speaker 4: the same way she texted me, was like, Josha, listen
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  Speaker 4: to this song. I think you will be hearing on
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  Speaker 4: this song. And most of it is birth from that relationship.
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  Speaker 3: I really like those.
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  Speaker 6: I like I like those type of crossover collaborations like
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  Speaker 6: you know you and Nikki and then Kirk Franklin did
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  Speaker 6: it a Little Baby, because you know what it does, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: big record, you know, and it's a crossover and it's
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  Speaker 6: also a spreading of the word.
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  Speaker 5: Is leading people, leading.
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  Speaker 3: People back to him, you know, because he wants that.
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  Speaker 3: He wants that leadership.
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  Speaker 6: And if two other genres can do it, you know,
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  Speaker 6: hip hop meets you know pop or rap meets pop,
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  Speaker 6: why can't you know, always people it's always people who
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  Speaker 6: has negative things to say.
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  Speaker 3: About it, like that's always gonna come. Yeah, But that's
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  Speaker 3: leading people, that's spreading the word.
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  Speaker 1: Nikki talks about believing in God when she raps sometimes
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  Speaker 1: it sounds like she's speaking in tongue.
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  Speaker 5: But what I saw said, you know.
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  Speaker 7: Her off the stage, her relationship with God. I was
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: just like, what is it that the churchy people are
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  Speaker 7: blocking us from understanding walk because that's where that's where
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  Speaker 7: a lot of the backlash was coming from from you.
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  Speaker 7: I felt like she shouldn't have been doing the music
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  Speaker 7: with Nicki min I and I'm like, man, I wonder
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  Speaker 7: how many other times we're blocked from things spiritually because
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  Speaker 7: people don't accept it and like what we missed and
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  Speaker 7: that you.
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  Speaker 3: Know what from that collaboration. I've had people, you know
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  Speaker 3: a lot of things.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of people came back and they were apologizing
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  Speaker 4: maybe years later, like two years later. You know, I
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: didn't understand why you did the collaboration, But now I
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  Speaker 4: understand and I apologize, Like I respect people who can
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  Speaker 4: do stuff like that, and I'm never gonna, you know,
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  Speaker 4: go back at them back and forth. I'm like, hey,
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: you know, I understand sometimes it's hard to accept, accept change,
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: or accept something different or receive something new.
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  Speaker 3: So I get it.
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  Speaker 4: But I've had people who was like, hey, that was
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: my first time ever buying a gospel record. You know,
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: that was my first I didn't believe in God until
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: I heard that song.
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  Speaker 3: I hurt people.
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  Speaker 4: People have said that to me, and so to hear
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  Speaker 4: those testimonies, that's what it's about, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm here to spread the gospel, and if he
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  Speaker 4: has to use a platform like a Nicki Minaj in
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  Speaker 4: order to do it, then I say yes.
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  Speaker 3: And like you said, God will use people yeah, like
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  Speaker 3: yep ye. Are you more of a artist or worship
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  Speaker 3: leader nowadays?
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  Speaker 4: Ooh ah, that's a good question. I'm a good mixture
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: of both. I'm forever a worship leader. One of the
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  Speaker 4: things that I did not know until entering into the
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: industry is that being an artist is something totally different
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  Speaker 4: like you, it doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: It's a job, you know, you have to have.
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  Speaker 4: You have to have information and knowledge and wisdom on
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  Speaker 4: how to manage you as an artist, and everybody doesn't
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  Speaker 4: have that. Like you can be a great singer and
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: not an artist. You can be I mean a great
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: rapper and not an artist. I think the artistry is
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: the part that makes you stand out.
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  Speaker 3: You know, knowing how to.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: Do an interview, you you know, knowing how to to
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  Speaker 4: speak well, how to carry yourself, how to manage your business,
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  Speaker 4: your business affairs, and those are things that I learned
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  Speaker 4: along the way.
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  Speaker 3: But all of that comes with artistry. So I would
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  Speaker 3: say that I am I am both, Yes you are.
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  Speaker 5: We appreciate you. Let's get into sir, Okay, get a
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  Speaker 5: record what you want to hear, let's play church, church all.
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  Speaker 5: Let's get into it now. I appreciate you for joining us.
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  Speaker 5: We got to close out with the preid.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, am I plenty?
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  Speaker 4: Thank you all right, I'm de Lord. Thank you, Thank
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  Speaker 4: you for being good, thank you for being faithful in
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: every season. I thank you even for this platform, for
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: all four of these amazing people who spread inspiration, who
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: used their gifts and their talents just to help other
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  Speaker 4: people and to and to just be God in the earth. God,
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  Speaker 4: I thank you for the opportunity to talk about you
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  Speaker 4: to millions and millions of people, to anyone who may
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  Speaker 4: be listening, to anyone who may have heard, who may
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: be in a space of grief, you know, a space
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: of depression. God, I ask now that you would show
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  Speaker 4: yourself to them in a special way today. In Jesus' name,
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  Speaker 4: you be glorified.
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  Speaker 3: Amen, Amen, a man.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, Breakfast club, good morning, Thank.
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  Speaker 3: You, Thank y'all.
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  Speaker 5: Every day, breakfast
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  Speaker 3: Glove, y'all done.