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The Panthers Super Bowl Vault: Legacy, Lore, and 2026 Blueprints 🐾🏆 · C3 Panthers Podcast: Carolina Panthers

• 0:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Tell your darling, and not to it, but to do it, brother, let's roll.
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  [SPEAKER_08]: You don't worry about it.
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  [SPEAKER_08]: We're Caroline of Panthers fans, having been so school Thursday.
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  [SPEAKER_08]: The Panthers lose and opinions.
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  [SPEAKER_08]: Only one podcast, always for the closest league.
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  [SPEAKER_08]: He's in a suit with every spot catch.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome back.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's nostalgia night on the C3 Panthers podcast.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: What we're calling nostalgia night brings back Greg the bat daddy is here with us.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And we're going to dive in to the history are talk about our reflecting on the past of the Carolina Panthers Super Bowl appearances given that this is Super Bowl week.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: The New England Patriots and the Seattle Seahawks, a two teams that the Panthers have, a intertwined legacy with in their, and some of their better seasons, one of those being in the 2003, for the 2004 Super Bowl, 2003, four season, think that was Super Bowl 38.
• 1:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: With the Carolina Panthers lost in over time, early Super Bowl for Tom Brady.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll be taking your calls tonight on the cat calls line the numbers two, five, two, two, two, eight, fifty, ninety eight.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And the big deal that we're celebrating tonight is you sharing your favorite Super Bowl memory, your worst Super Bowl memory.
• 1:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I would like the calls if it's to be creative.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: They do not just have to be.
• 1:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I remember this play.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I remember this moment.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it's about where you were at.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it was the feeling that you had.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it was something, you know, a food you ate.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know it.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: The
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  [SPEAKER_03]: we're going to give away a seat.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: This is a official metal full metal.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: This was a reclamation from Bank of America after their renovations to one of those calls.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So we do in that later in the show.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: The numbers two, five, two, two, two, eight, 50, 98, my name's Tony Dunn.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm welcoming the bat daddy, the stat daddy.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, how are you, my friend?
• 2:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Been a long time since we've got to hang out.
• 2:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm doing great man, you know, it's life is live in life and we're doing everything I can to keep things going.
• 2:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, I got to tell you the Tony and like I got to monitor you right off to be getting right off the start.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: Like we did not lose that over time.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: It's the Super Bowl and over time.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: We lost on a game losing field goal before over time.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: The first over time, Super Bowl.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: And fortunately it was carrot was.
• 2:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it was right.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: It was in New England.
• 2:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was heading into over time.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't miss.
• 2:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: No, no, no, it wasn't.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: We were actually down by two.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: No, sorry, we were up by time.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: We did out of bounds.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: No, the win-times.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: You'll go.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: We were up by one or two.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: It wasn't tied.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: No.
• 2:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, we made a good bet check it.
• 2:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: I could be wrong.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm pretty sure we weren't tied.
• 2:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: How about we should be?
• 2:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: We were in, instead of win that Super Bowl and John Casey, kicked it out of bounds.
• 3:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know what, timing done in his whole career was in the biggest moment of his life.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, and actually we're going to, I want to talk to you that tonight we're going to talk about nostalgia and Super Bowl.
• 3:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: We're going to get indescripted in a fill seasons.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: And I kind of want to talk about that because there's one thing I want to bring up.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It was 29 29 Patriots 1 32 29 last second field goal.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So we're both wrong.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: How about that?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Take a Panthers fan podcast where they're both 20.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: He's gotten years later both wrong about what they're talking about.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, that's a great time for people to call in and tell us, right, panther pickle, there's time for you to call in, white chocolate espresso in the chat, there's time for you to call in, Greg, I hear you're doing some home renovations, he's a mute, he muted himself, he's renovating his life right now, it's okay as he gets his up, your audio went out.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: How about now is that better?
• 4:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I'm holding the mic tonight.
• 4:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: So when I hold the mic, it makes a little different.
• 4:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I hit the button accident.
• 4:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I'm doing some home renovation.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: Let's try and get this placed ready to rent out and purchase new property and have some income properties.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: So it's going to be, yeah.
• 4:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I mean, you know, honestly, he looks at anybody who makes money in the world.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: They have income properties and properties, the biggest of the day.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, it's definitely the way to go.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: Hopefully I can make a lot of money doing this or at least you know what not a lot of money just enough money to survive enough money to live Come boy or have somebody else buy an asset for you.
• 4:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the way I really think about it is.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Is somebody else is investing for you Yeah, um, guys.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a fun.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's super boy.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: We
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  [SPEAKER_03]: That's where it is, is the Panthers had a good season this year, Greg.
• 4:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: We haven't, you've been on this, been able to be on the show a lot this past year, which is, but we keep in touch, we see you around in the chat.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Carol had a Panthers do, I mean, it's a slow time right now.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So there's a lot of room in the calls for you guys to get in with your opportunity to win.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I think this came off the wall in section in a section when you're in Bank of America, like when you're walking by, like walking in the tunnel, either that.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: or it's the back to a seat if somebody can tell us that's what that would be cool yeah is tell us where in the stadium this metal plaque was that has this because there's like 100,000 I've probably got 20 of these maybe 10 of them
• 5:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: But the care on the path is had a good season this year Greg or an interesting season.
• 5:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: It started out poor and or weird The panthers had a good run game and resilient resilient down to the end Beath and good teams run games altered to some level of surprise.
• 5:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: You don't really played well And the panthers snuck again to the playoffs Greg we rise to have that performance in the playoffs
• 5:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: No, no, because if you remembered the beginning of the season, I produced this when the 11 games.
• 6:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: We fell a little short of that and we came close.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: Really did.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: But I predicted 11 games.
• 6:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Did you say that when we went or hosted LA, did you expect them to perform as well as they did?
• 6:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that game specifically talking about how LA's coming off a loss to us.
• 6:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: They know that they can't sleep on us.
• 6:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the Panthers really kind of punch back and forth with them.
• 6:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, do you mean the playoff game or the game playoff game?
• 6:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but no, honestly, I fully expect that it's to play well in that playoff game.
• 6:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: Look, I mean, I mean,
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  [SPEAKER_06]: We have a decent team.
• 6:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I think this year was more the talent amongst teams.
• 6:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: It was more evenly split than any other season.
• 6:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: There was no real dominant team in the league this year.
• 6:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, there was nobody who was 15 and won.
• 6:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: There was nobody who was 14 and two.
• 6:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like we had a lot of variety across the league.
• 7:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, I think that, you know, I personally and everybody who's been on the show and knowing me knows that I've not had a lot of faith in Bryce Young as a quarterback, um, it in his entire career and rightfully so he hasn't really proven much.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: This year he didn't do bad.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not going to lie.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: He really showed a lot of moxie this year.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: He really showed a lot of poise.
• 7:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: I still don't believe Bryce Jung is like the guy that's going to take over the league.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: He's not going to be a calmeria or a match Stafford.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm a match Stafford, a Jackson, a homes, an Allen.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: He's not going to be that kind of guy.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: But I believe that with the right pieces around him, we can have a winning team.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if it'll ever be the guy that
• 7:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: puts up a season like Cam did in 2015, and I don't know if anybody ever did it again to be honest with you, because I'm going back and watch that, and like going back and watching Cam that season, he was amazing, absolutely amazing.
• 7:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: I go back and watch those games, and I'm feeling blown away.
• 8:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: It feels so good.
• 8:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, I've watched the Josh Norman Odele Beckham Game over and over again.
• 8:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: I've gone back and watched Shubny Game from that season,
• 8:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: how good canned mutant was playing that year.
• 8:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if I'll ever see that again in Carolina or really a singular season from a quarterback playing that well because you can say what you want to about cam and I'm a huge camp fan and even though right now what he's doing off the field and like his life's off the field doesn't really vibe with me when he was on his game as a quarterback in the NFL.
• 8:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's prime
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  [SPEAKER_06]: He might be the best thing you've ever seen like yeah, it was amazing.
• 8:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was towards games.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It was a unicorn at least.
• 8:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, you know, you know, I don't know if it was a best thing you'll ever see or ever had saw, but it was something you hadn't ever seen.
• 8:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was just like this.
• 8:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was like a was just different and the way it was done very similar to college.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: How he wasn't college.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Just a different like that's just one of a kind way of doing it.
• 9:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, if you think about it, he had, I mean, it's going to go down a history right now.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: He had the second best regular season record ever in the NFL.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: He scored 50 touchdowns over all that year.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: They had the most rushing touchdowns by any quarterback.
• 9:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like the guy played overall better than we've seen anybody all around play.
• 9:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: can honestly say ever I mean there have been quarterbacks of that great year but man that year he was on point he was and it wasn't just the run game it wasn't everything else like he'd go back and look at it he was throwing the ball with touch I mean he had a he had a danna always there and it was like it it was just amazing the things we were doing that year and I would love for Carolina to get back to that I don't think that Bryce Jim will ever be that be and I don't think honestly there's not a lot of quarterbacks or
• 9:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: But I've got to eat some crow and say that I was possibly wrong about Bryce Young.
• 10:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: being a NFL caliber quarterback.
• 10:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: He's not the greatest thing ever, but I think if you put the right pieces around him, he can do some damage in this league.
• 10:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, I don't think he's going to be, you know, MVP or like I said, they're going to be writing stories about him.
• 10:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: He's not going to be a Hall of Fame quarterback, but this guy, if you do the right stuff, put the right pieces around him, might be able to get things done, you know.
• 10:27
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• 10:29
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• 10:31
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• 10:33
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• 10:36
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• 10:39
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• 10:42
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• 11:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're honestly, you know, we're walking through the snow at right now the off-season Finding fun things to talk about tonight.
• 11:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're talking about the past a little You know, in 2003, you remember the cardiac cats, so 11 and 5 team of destiny
• 11:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Led by Journeyman Jake the loam a non-none Jake the loam the unknown out of nowhere And that run gave us some legendary moments in Panther history from Steve Smith's Clown double overtime walk off against the Rams
• 11:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: And one of the greatest grittiest NFC championships I've seen in my life or at least one of my favorites.
• 11:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a, you know, I guess both NFC championships that the Panthers have won are my two favorite NFC championships of all time.
• 11:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 11:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: And for different reasons, though, is like I was at the 2015 one, and it was just a blowout, which is, yeah, everything.
• 11:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: We blew the cardinals out of the water on that game.
• 12:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: It was crazy to watch that game over.
• 12:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and then but if you go back to that gritty one in 2003 where we have that wonder like that infamous or my one of my favorite plays and all of football history were just Sean Foster runs like 40 yards for five yards and breaks like six tackles in the process that team was tough superior gritty team of defense
• 12:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: defense and then an offense coming into its own down the stretch, right?
• 12:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 12:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then you look at the 2015 season.
• 12:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Unparalleled, like you mentioned, MVP, Cam Newton, Superman, cash, what a time it was.
• 12:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: He bought this team bully teams on defense and offense.
• 12:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, Luke Keakley, it kind of, I think the moment that we saw, like, we were about to beat your tale.
• 12:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: That Thanksgiving game where you just destroyed the Cowboys in every possible way physically imposed your will and that defense, you know, really did it to him.
• 13:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, they dismantled the Cardinals in that NFC championship and a sad loss both of them very sad losses if you think about the Carolina Panthers are so close Super Bowl championships.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So we're looking back right now and a Greg if we start with the 2000 three season the cardiac cats.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: This is when the name I think came about
• 13:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: right yeah yeah yeah i think so well you know the thing about the two thousand three season was uh you know i was a freshman in college my roommate was a pat's fan so like that was a crazy year for care a lot of them willing to go in and that was the really the start of the Tom Brady Dynasty we were supposed to be in the super world that year like everybody expected us to lose to forever by expected well filly before that
• 13:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, it went Dallas, Rams.
• 14:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Silly.
• 14:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was okay.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: Sorry.
• 14:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, everybody expects us to lose those games, maybe not Dallas, but like we weren't supposed to be where we were.
• 14:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: And honestly, if you look at that game, Jake DeLome, although he has the biggest pass in the Super Bowl of NFL history, 85 yards to see Smith.
• 14:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, maybe I'm not sure.
• 14:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's the biggest.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 14:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: He's the biggest pass in Super history.
• 14:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: He really didn't play well that game.
• 14:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like I mean, I think he had like the first half.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, 60 yards.
• 14:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: So like that the first half.
• 14:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like it was terrible.
• 14:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: We didn't play well and we hung in there and you know, made it
• 14:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: and my opinion one of the best Super Bowl's to watch it wasn't exciting game.
• 14:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, this was we're sharing our moments later favorites or whatever moment you want to share in your Super Bowl history.
• 14:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to be doing that in the cat cause and Greg, I'll be my moment comes from much of what you're talking about that feeling.
• 15:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: in half time and where we're at and I was a new panther fan.
• 15:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was a new panther fan.
• 15:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've been a panther fan for a year at that point.
• 15:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: I started the year before with Julius Pepper's.
• 15:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 15:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it was like it was really cool.
• 15:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: But your right is that first half.
• 15:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: That first half was kind of like the Denver game in 2015.
• 15:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was just like back
• 15:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, and you're right, and Jake the love came out of nowhere that year.
• 15:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Was it in and the chat can help me out on that is Jake the loom?
• 15:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: I even think it was a start quarterback.
• 15:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: I didn't know he wasn't Rodney Pete because what happened was we went down 17 nothing in a game Rodney Pete and they and I can't remember if Rodney Pete got hurt or if they pulled him.
• 15:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: But I remember that moment they that were they were we down 17 nothing.
• 15:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: and jaked along came in and we came back in one that game and that was when jaked along became our starter.
• 16:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Those games, uh, so we, if we think of this, the regular season, we were coached by John Fox at the time, the Panthers finished 11 and five.
• 16:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, they won the NFC South quarterback out of nowhere.
• 16:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: This, uh, I mean, and cool, kind of the cool story.
• 16:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's like a, a discount court, or he's like a,
• 16:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: discounts or dollar tree, uh, cart Warner.
• 16:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's a good one.
• 16:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's dropping.
• 16:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, uh, is uh, played in NFL Europe.
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think he was on draft.
• 16:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember his draft or undrafted had kind of played in the background.
• 16:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was just out of the saint's the year before something like that.
• 16:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the Panthers picked him up as a free agent because they didn't know what the heck was going on with Rodney Pete and Who's the guy the old guy that we drafted from Florida state that won the Chris Winky Chris when I'd winky
• 16:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's a great story too because what Deloam became to Panther fans in the history.
• 17:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is like a really, it's a Kurt Warner without the Super Bowl story.
• 17:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's a good way to put it honestly.
• 17:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I would.
• 17:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: I would.
• 17:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think he didn't have his big of armist court war, but man he had that that grit, you know, like he took chances.
• 17:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you know, a little bit of Brett farven him.
• 17:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, the good slinger.
• 17:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to throw the past maybe I shouldn't.
• 17:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 17:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I get away with it sometimes for a lot of times.
• 17:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: And hey, I'm not supposed to be in it to be here anyway.
• 17:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: So let's do this.
• 17:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 17:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: The occasion accent has probably diminished throughout the years.
• 17:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was like, I don't even know how he called plays in the huddle like they're like, uh, it's like they're a guy from water boy calling plays or something
• 18:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: you know what's funny about calling plays it's like camdooton ruin me for that because now like when i go back and watch these games with camdooton and his cadence like i'm just like man i i i i miss just that itself you know right yeah like everything about i don't know man everything about camdoo's prime was just great but uh that team had some other cool players on it right is uh i mean if you think uh Steven Davis
• 18:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: fourteen hundred yards fourteen four four four four fourteen hundred forty four yards Russian to Sean Foster like they had a two-headed monster that was but that that battering ram of Steven Davis and to Sean Foster seemingly you know on the back end of that season getting a lot of momentum Well didn't Steven Davis play for Norms before that?
• 18:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, he was with Redskins at the time.
• 18:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then he was a free agent.
• 18:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think he was a free agent pick up that year that year before, and it came in.
• 19:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's kind of one of those things.
• 19:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is this team, in many ways, I want to say, is that the Panthers team this year, Greg, this year, Greg, had some of the characteristics of that team.
• 19:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: And when I say that, don't go too far with a chat.
• 19:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: is that they had a slow offensive start that year.
• 19:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: They were not a juggernaut.
• 19:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: They were not the juggernaut offense or that.
• 19:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: When we think of in the playoffs, then putting up those big explosive plays early in the season, right?
• 19:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it was built a lot upon a run game and a strong defense.
• 19:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: The difference being,
• 19:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is that Carolina's defense was no, where close to being is suffocating, is that 2003 defense, because they had Chris Jenkins, Mike Rucker, Julius Peppers, and Greg, I just remember one game.
• 20:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like one of my favorite games.
• 20:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let me see if I can find what we get was.
• 20:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's see.
• 20:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I can just type it in.
• 20:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 20:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, while you looked it up, I got to say, man, I think that our 2015 defense was, was one of the ones that really put us over the top.
• 20:26
  [SPEAKER_06]: And like, 22 turnovers.
• 20:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like that defense was hungry.
• 20:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: Thomas Davis, Luke Keakley.
• 20:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, we were Pat Tillman, like we were Ron Harper.
• 20:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like we were hungry right here.
• 20:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, Brett, Roman Harper, yeah.
• 20:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, um, and that is actually here.
• 20:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I got a,
• 20:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's one, as this is a cool one, as I was gonna, I didn't have a trivia question with this in it.
• 20:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: But Kirk Coleman had seven interceptions.
• 20:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that year.
• 20:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm saying.
• 20:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I didn't had a lot in the playoff.
• 21:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: See, I already had a couple.
• 21:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: He had one in that Dallas game that we talked about.
• 21:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is one of my thoughts.
• 21:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let me see, the Panthers week two.
• 21:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is it.
• 21:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we can look at some of these box scores a week to they are in Tampa.
• 21:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: How about this?
• 21:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: The Carolina Panthers had a buy week in week 3 in 2003.
• 21:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: What the hell?
• 21:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: What the hell was that?
• 21:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: What the hell was that?
• 21:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: A buy week in week 3?
• 21:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: The Carolina Panthers beat the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
• 21:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is one of my favorite games in Panther history.
• 21:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: 12 to 9.
• 21:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: and they blocked obviously if I could get those if I could get some of the stats for this they blocked and we should good players stats team stats here turnovers
• 21:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: they out and I was going to take me too long to figure it out but it was that they had like two block field goals and two uh three block field goals in a block extra point and it was the block extra point that changed things so that they could win the game with a field goal now right go ahead Greg well let me ask you you were talking about running back earlier um okay so in a vacuum here you take you take in Steven Davis or Sean Foster
• 22:26
  [SPEAKER_06]: d'Angelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart, or Chewbehovert Ricodello.
• 22:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: We've had, that's 32 hit of monsters we've had in the last 20 years.
• 22:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: Which of those three right now, which of those are you taking right now?
• 22:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was Jonathan Stewart.
• 22:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Who was Jonathan Stewart?
• 22:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jonathan Stewart.
• 22:39
  [SPEAKER_06]: John Stewart and Daniel Williams.
• 22:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Daniel Williams.
• 22:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, but they weren't there for this, all right.
• 22:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: They weren't there for the Super Bowl, but they were a leaflet shop at their top as Jonathan Stewart, Daniel Williams.
• 22:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks, though.
• 22:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that.
• 22:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: they just beat teams by themselves.
• 22:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 22:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was what 2000.
• 23:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but it would be anything.
• 23:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, like think about it, the other two combos.
• 23:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: But well, I guess Hubbard and Dowd will have only thing yet either, but yeah, they had an epic.
• 23:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: There are the ones that kind of started the idea of a two-headed monster.
• 23:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like before that group right there,
• 23:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: a lot of teams wanted to belcal was the o8 uh you know they wanted to belcal running back like a fact that did it that you counted on all the time um so let's get so just kind of reminiscing about that season
• 23:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh... you go back there the wild card round they beat the cowboys decisively in a twenty nine ten and a dominant uh... performance at home they won this is the game that is iconic for a lot of people twenty nine twenty three double overtime victory
• 23:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: against the St. Louis Rams.
• 23:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: The game ended on the first play of the second overtime when Deloam hit Steve Smith for 69 yard touchdown.
• 24:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: A play famously called as X-cloud.
• 24:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
• 24:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I remember specifically being like that was freshman year of college.
• 24:13
  [SPEAKER_06]: I remember I was washing dishes at Apple Peas.
• 24:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: When it happened, if a game was going on, and one of the servers came back right when I went to Delaware of Times at Man, he said, the Panthers are going to fuck around and make it the Super Bowl.
• 24:26
  [SPEAKER_06]: And literally a few seconds later, that play came up and we won that game, it was crazy.
• 24:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: The Rams were the team that people believed were destined to win that Super Bowl and they were on a dynasty run at that time.
• 24:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Remember they had the greatest show on turf.
• 24:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, because the previous year was the, was the Rams the Patriots.
• 24:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: That was the first year Brady won the Super Bowl.
• 24:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: That was when they were the undefeatable team that Brady didn't have taken down that first year.
• 24:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they, this, it was our, maybe in some ways it could be argued that the Carolina Panthers defeating them kind of bit marks the end of that, um, that great show on turf, that super, that epic run.
• 25:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, let me ask you that year that we lost a Brady and I guess his second Super Bowl.
• 25:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: Have you won that game?
• 25:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: Do you think Brady's career would have been different?
• 25:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: Do you think that one Super Laws would have changed the trajectory of this career?
• 25:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a good question, you know.
• 25:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe maybe, you know, is it kind of started to cement confidence in Bill Bellachick, you know, or the the Patriot way was being made and maybe you don't get maybe it doesn't have the opportunity.
• 25:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: to stick around as long or you know I mean they could have gone a different direction but it did start it is one of the things that people forget when it comes to Tom Brady or at least I don't know I mean I think the way I remember it is that he became the greatest quarterback.
• 26:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: He wasn't the greatest quarterback to start.
• 26:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like he became a different type player.
• 26:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: He played a different type game in 2008 and 2010 and 2010 and 2015 or all the way.
• 26:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Played all the way to what 2019.
• 26:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I don't think Tom Brady became the greatest until he'd beat Atlanta.
• 26:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think once he sealed that deal with Atlanta, it's like, okay, I hate Tom Brady.
• 26:39
  [SPEAKER_06]: I hate him as a player, not as a person, but like I hate him as a player.
• 26:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: After that game, it's like, okay, this guy is the greatest quarterback there.
• 26:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: Play the game.
• 26:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like, hands down.
• 26:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 26:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: And, and he, well, I like that year.
• 26:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: He had Randy Moss, and they put up that.
• 26:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: On the year they lost the Giants.
• 26:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 26:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, but yes, that you're right, is that is what I'm saying is that when he played us, he was a game manager.
• 27:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 27:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, and he became a guy that was like the most brilliant quarterback that could do anything with anybody he wasn't that and that actually was like it's kind of neat as if you think of Tom Brady was drafted number one Overall he might not have ever been
• 27:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: the player he was.
• 27:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: I agree because he went and I had to rope.
• 27:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, you also got to think about it too.
• 27:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like I said, I think Tom grated Brady after everything is said and done, just by looking at stats.
• 27:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think he's the best quarterback to play the game.
• 27:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: But he's also had a lot of things go his way.
• 27:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, if you look at it, the tuck rule, yeah, that call that year, they wouldn't even made the Super Bowl that year.
• 27:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: That would have ended that whole dynasty thing.
• 27:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: John Casey kicking the ball out of bounds.
• 27:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not saying we to one that game, but it definitely changed the game up.
• 27:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: The interception and the one yard line against Seattle.
• 27:59
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 28:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: Edelman making that amazing catch that's basically kept the game going against Atlanta.
• 28:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like there are certain things that have happened in Tombery's career and I'm not saying and he's an amazing quarterback that if just this one thing I go on the other way and it's just a split second or a fraction or a few millimeters or an inch of things that happened.
• 28:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: his, his career is written differently, you know, uh, good boy.
• 28:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: And then he's the little Ron James of the NFL instead of the Michael Jordan of the NFL.
• 28:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 28:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 28:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 28:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: To be truly honest with you.
• 28:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's what it is.
• 28:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: So with that 2003 season, the Carolina Panthers walk off, walk off touchdown.
• 28:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's really.
• 28:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's when Steve Smith.
• 28:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is the Steve Smith coming out for.
• 28:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's when he picked.
• 28:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was when he was like, when he showed a showed that he could that he was about to be that he's going to be a star.
• 28:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, didn't he break his leg the next year in Precision was another next year that is the.
• 29:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 29:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think he had two.
• 29:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Remember, they were two anomalies, not anomaly injuries, but I think he got another injury later in an important season.
• 29:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it was a way to owed nine where he's playing flag football outside, but yes, it was, and I think that for some Panther fans, it might be the Steve Smith injury that makes you go, we don't want to play our season, it's players in the three season, because like Steve Smith was like trying to hurtle somebody or do something like
• 29:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've lived like for me over the war, you know, it was kind of overboard hurt like to get her like you know, this game don't matter Steve.
• 29:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Why you fighting into Huddle and it showed his passion in the man.
• 29:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: He was a passionate player and that's why it what was he five nine?
• 29:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, five ten five ten hundred and eighty five hundred and eight pounds.
• 29:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's small for the NFL He was a guy that nobody but you know when he was drafted nobody nobody's sitting there Go when he's gonna be a super star one receiver.
• 30:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was like he he made his name the year before and even throughout that season many ways Especially unspecial team to a point turns and
• 30:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I got my simahomit over there and I'm the better player on the field right now.
• 30:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: That, you know, you win in the defense, the Panthers, defense, stifled that Eagles team and we won 14 to 3 and you go in and it was February 1st.
• 30:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh... two thousand four thankless fave no would have been the same yet it was February first two thousand four uh... superbow thirty eight carolant panthers after scourless this is what it was scourless first quarter the game then exploded into a shootout later on i mean it really kind of you started to see a little bit of it at the end of the second quarter is like oh man these teams might play today
• 31:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then that second half was just one of the most exciting thrilling paths for Carolina Panthers ever where it comes back to taking the lead on a 85 yard pass from Deloam to Muhammad.
• 31:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: But the game eventually tied at 29, 29, the Patriots, 1, 32, 29, and a lot of it comes back to the Casey Kickoff.
• 31:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of an interesting moment here.
• 31:39
  [SPEAKER_06]: And we went for two in that game two times and missed it both times.
• 31:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you know, but like, I mean, we'd only been up to have gotten those, but I mean,
• 31:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: What I'm sorry, we'd have been up for a theme of the game, have we gotten both of those and that field go wouldn't have mattered.
• 31:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you could have been up, not tied, right?
• 32:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 32:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: And at the end, and you wouldn't have, you would have just tried to win the clock now.
• 32:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: in a way.
• 32:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: In that season, we talked about that pivot to the quarterback from Rodney Pete where pulled, he was pulled and the loom comes in.
• 32:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Had a great game in that Super Bowl, talk about that.
• 32:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: What about the legacy of Jake Delome is not being a starter and then being in the the Super Bowl.
• 32:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Talk about, I mean, if you wanted to parallel and not parallel completely, but this Super Bowl right here is
• 32:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: slept on player all I mean not slept on but I mean that the idea that Sam Dornald is starting quarterback in a Super Bowl game it's kind of well
• 32:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I mean, honestly, the Jake alone going to Super Bowl, like kind of parallels the way Tom Brady where he wasn't the starter, wasn't the guy who's especially to be that.
• 32:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: And then he comes in, saves the team and goes to Super Bowl and well, probably one.
• 32:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: But I mean, it was very similar to that.
• 33:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: Hey, real quick, while we're on this topic, when you mentioned she mentioned Sam Donald, have you heard about the NFL conspiracy theories?
• 33:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, he's like, they've heard that they exist, that it scripted.
• 33:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: I haven't heard the one that you're probably about to say, I think.
• 33:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, so at the beginning of the season, they showed a picture of everybody.
• 33:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: It was a picture of the 49er stadium and the Lamberti trophy and it had an animated character from every team, mostly quarterbacks, but some weren't from every team and the two that were in the very front that were closest to the Lamberti trophy was Sam Donald and Drake May.
• 33:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: So everybody, so everybody's saying that all this is scripted, but if you go back and look at the
• 33:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: The two that are closest besides Sam Darnland Drake may is Baker Mayfield and Bryce Yon.
• 33:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: So in my mind, I'm thinking, yeah, there are some theories about being scripted.
• 33:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: And maybe it is.
• 33:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: I've heard players talk about getting scripts before the season and everything else.
• 33:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: And you can only do so much.
• 34:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm thinking if they put that out there inscripted, they just wanted a quarterback who's played in Carolina to be in the Super Bowl with Sam Darnold, Drake May, Carrot UNC, Baker Mayfield and Bryce Young.
• 34:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: They wanted a Carolina quarterback to be in the Super Bowl.
• 34:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: And that was my thing, and I was okay, I'll link it up.
• 34:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's interesting right there as well.
• 34:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Also is, well, yeah, let me do this.
• 34:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: What do you think is, you know, John Casey, Hall of Fame, kicker.
• 34:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: a incredible kicker for the Panthers.
• 34:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's good for the Saints.
• 34:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's crazy how one play.
• 34:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's good for the Saints.
• 34:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's crazy how one play.
• 34:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's good for the Saints.
• 34:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's crazy how one play.
• 34:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's good for the Saints.
• 34:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's crazy how one play.
• 34:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's good for the Saints.
• 34:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's good for the Saints.
• 34:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's crazy how one play.
• 34:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's good for the Saints.
• 34:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's crazy how one play.
• 34:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's good for the Saints.
• 34:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's crazy how one play.
• 34:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's good for the Saints.
• 34:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's good for the Saints.
• 34:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's good for the Saints.
• 34:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's good for the Saints.
• 34:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's good for the Saints.
• 34:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's good for the Saints.
• 34:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's good for the Saints.
• 34:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's good for the Saints.
• 34:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's good for the Saints.
• 34:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's good for the Saints.
• 34:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's good for the Saints.
• 34:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's good for the Saints.
• 34:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: And like you said, is that his him kicking get out of bounds didn't lose the Panthers, the Super Bowl alone, not alone, but it was a big part of it.
• 35:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: It did not give them a good chance.
• 35:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: It didn't get helped a moment.
• 35:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: The momentum was shifting when the Carolina Panthers tied it up.
• 35:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: And kicking it out of bounds, allowing them only needing to get a field goal,
• 35:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it really, um, it just made it hard on that defense.
• 35:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, it wasn't like the Panthers were destined to win it.
• 35:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, and in overtime, like they're guaranteed.
• 35:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: They're not guaranteed, but like I said, this, that John Casey kicking that ball out of bounds does give a little bit of credence to people who have
• 35:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: Conspiracy theories are scripted seasons in their mind, because for a guy who never ever do that to be as good as John Casey is.
• 35:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: Doing a kick off at that moment kicking it abounds.
• 36:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: made it pretty convenient for the Patriots to win.
• 36:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's horrible.
• 36:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's all.
• 36:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just an unfortunate time to make a mistake.
• 36:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a pretty unfortunate time.
• 36:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: I agree.
• 36:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm sure.
• 36:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like it is certainly some sort of if there is like kind of the what's the argument against this guy being incredible, you know, or what's the argument against that play would be held.
• 36:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: against, you know, is going to be the play that people reference a lot, and, you know, and what it does is, I guess, much like, and where we're going to spend a little time, and a little bit, I mean, obviously we're going to go to the 2015 Super Bowl.
• 36:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, because I was so young, right?
• 36:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like you said, you were freshman in college.
• 36:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was in 2003.
• 36:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was second year in college, basically.
• 37:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's like you don't have an experience.
• 37:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't have enough experience as a football fan to maybe know how important these moments or how fleeting they are.
• 37:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think back to 2015, when it was like we lost, we were disappointed, we were shook.
• 37:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I was like, we're going to be, I didn't feel like being back was impossible.
• 37:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I want another chance.
• 37:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's get to 2016, see what we can do.
• 37:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: And after a decade later of not winning,
• 37:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I mean, the Panthers have had a decade of losing Greg after the 20 basically from the 25 from that Super Bowl moment.
• 37:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: 2003, we did have some successes, you know, you get the O5, you get the O8, but you don't get back, it just shows how difficult to get to a Super Bowl is.
• 38:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, and how hard it is come back.
• 38:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Super chat man.
• 38:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: We thank you.
• 38:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for helping keep the lights on for C3.
• 38:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: We got to pay that stream your payment sending love 25 was a roller coaster 26 needs consistency and of a lot of it comes down to price Or it's going to a lot of it will be on price is that Not be on him, but is for the Panthers to take the next step.
• 38:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's going to have to pull this team rather than
• 38:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: be along from the ride lead the team rather than be along for the ride you know you can be a good asset to a team right he hasn't been a negative this season right he was a positive asset to the team he's like a guy then I went back and started watching old seasons a gold rush
• 39:00
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• 39:16
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• 39:21
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• 39:27
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• 43:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: Hey, real quick, go back to Nick's comment about the consistency for needing to be pricing to be more consistent.
• 43:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: I, I get what he's saying, but I couldn't make the argument that through the entire season,
• 43:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: Brightion was probably our most consistent player.
• 43:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think the first four games, right?
• 43:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: I can't think of anybody else.
• 43:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, even if you think about the first four games, like, uh, you know, we lost Jacksonville.
• 43:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: We, you know, we, you know, we, you know, we, my Arizona game.
• 43:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: Arizona, if you have, if you give him the beginning, if you give Brightion a minute and a half more in that game in Arizona, we've been that game.
• 43:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, you know, we played bad in the beginning, but it even's out in the end.
• 43:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think that I'm trying to go back and look at the season and think about plays.
• 43:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think Price Young might have been our most consistent player.
• 44:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: Now that doesn't mean he was good.
• 44:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: That doesn't mean that it was consistently great.
• 44:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think that just like I think he was consistently average.
• 44:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: He was a he was a decent player this year.
• 44:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: He had some really high points, really low points, but as far as consistency goes, I mean hammer me, Ted.
• 44:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: you know um like an and even tether of meal and have a touch down to like what game six seven of this year six seven yeah yeah i mean like uh so i mean i i think that he's right we need consistency from brise but i think we're getting consistency from brise i think that we're not getting consistency from other parts of the field the defense from different players i think that
• 44:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: You replay this season again, and we could win five games or we could win 11 games.
• 44:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: Just a coin flip based on the way things go, you know, there were a lot of games that came down to one play that happened that was bad.
• 44:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you know, things like that.
• 44:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: You give us a good learning to win.
• 45:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it's a good pivot for us going to the 2015 season.
• 45:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the Super Bowl because
• 45:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you think about, you know, Cam Newton coming in in 2011 taking over the league.
• 45:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: and the offensive rookie of the year, you know, 2012, I remember Matt Collio, not Matt Collio, who was the good Collio?
• 45:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Help me out.
• 45:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: What was a Ryan Collio?
• 45:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Ryan Collio.
• 45:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
• 45:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Don't ever confuse Ryan with Matt.
• 45:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Matt Stunk.
• 45:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Ryan Collio took out an ad in 2012, guaranteed a Super Bowl.
• 45:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: and everything fell apart.
• 45:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 45:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: And 20 13 Carolina Panthers start to forge their team in a defense and Cam Newton being this budding offensive, you know, you know, continuing to just be different.
• 46:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: But they didn't have a lot around him or anything.
• 46:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was the defense, which was so dominant that there's my favorite Panthers defense other than that.
• 46:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you know, like that, that 2013 defense was great.
• 46:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: But that 2014 team, seven, eight, one, you win the NFC champ, but you know, it wasn't a good season.
• 46:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, you didn't have a lot of good players all everywhere.
• 46:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: The offensive line was in flux.
• 46:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: The environment fell.
• 46:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it started left tackle.
• 46:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Nothing was great, but this is when Ron Rivera, again, 2014's on the hot seat.
• 46:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Ron Rivera always, you know, all you got to do is tell Ron is we're about to fire you, bro.
• 46:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that mug then all the sudden that team starts to get better quick, but he got the moniker Riverboat Ron.
• 46:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because you know that, like he's like, they didn't have any shit, like they had to win everything for him to stick around.
• 46:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I thought there was something about the 2014.
• 46:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: And here's the parallel that was making to your comment about this past season.
• 47:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: about kind of being close, but not being there.
• 47:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like learning how to win, you know what I mean?
• 47:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you look at how the Rams beat both us and the bears in the playoffs this year.
• 47:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like we've been here.
• 47:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: We know how to win.
• 47:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
• 47:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like in different ways and different scenarios like the Panthers and maybe it's not the greatest book.
• 47:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's 2015.
• 47:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: You didn't have to learn how to win.
• 47:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: They just beat everybody's ass.
• 47:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: It felt like it wasn't like that the whole season though.
• 47:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, we were just winning games, but it felt like teams have to get
• 47:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like my homes in them, or trying to think of another, a Brady type team knows how to win when they were ahead, when they're behind, when things aren't going well, when the defense needs this, like the team was coming into it.
• 47:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so one of the things I think you're saying though about this past season, Greg, is that maybe we gotta learn how to win those games, rather than be one play away from winning.
• 48:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 48:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I mean, you're right, but I kind of look at like the, like, just take the playoff game against the Rams.
• 48:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: That touchdown pass, they scored the end.
• 48:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: Incredible.
• 48:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: You throw that ball ten times nine times he's not catching.
• 48:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: You throw the ball ten times seven times he's not catching it, and nine times he's not scoring touchdown.
• 48:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think it was just everything to sell in place.
• 48:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was perfect.
• 48:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was bad.
• 48:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: Everything to sell in place that play.
• 48:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: And they were meant to win that game.
• 48:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: But like honestly, like I said, we play that game a few times.
• 48:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: And everything happens down to that last play.
• 48:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: We win that game.
• 48:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like we've been debating.
• 48:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: You haven't been, I know you were in the show last week in the chat, I saw you around.
• 48:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: But a lot of people as soon as we come back, or after that game, I bump into people.
• 48:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: were a lot of the callers in the fans kept talking about like oh ever oh in this pre-vent defense that pre-vent defense he did have a big is yeah you gave up all these chunk chunks chunks it seems bad because you lost the game but they made one hell of a play like you know is that the guys there more eggs there defending it
• 49:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: It shouldn't happen.
• 49:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: That play doesn't happen.
• 49:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Carolinas moving on.
• 49:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
• 49:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I agree with you on that.
• 49:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: So going back, though, it's finished up with our server low.
• 49:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, you broke the 2014 season and you felt like we didn't have any players.
• 49:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like, honestly, if you go back and think about it, that was Kevin Benjamin's rookie year.
• 49:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: Calvin Benjamin had a better rookie season than Julio Jones did.
• 49:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: We were going into 2015 on a high horse coming off, like really, really positive going in with Calvin Benjamin and the guy.
• 49:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: And then I think it was preseason.
• 49:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: 2015 kelm Benjamin gets injuries after the season and I remember I think being on the show we thought the season was over Like that's it We're done.
• 50:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: We lost kelm Benjamin.
• 50:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's out and then he ended up being a cheeseburger chasing clown anyway But I remember like the the the gravity of losing kelm Benjamin in the preseason I said all were done
• 50:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: is that we got Philly Brown.
• 50:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: We know his name.
• 50:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, again, Ted again, Philly Brown picked up my trollvert.
• 50:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like I'm thinking about these players from like, man, we're done.
• 50:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then 2015 Jason of Vott, I think that was a year before.
• 50:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I want to catch the bow.
• 50:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's a, and then you had what a magical season 2015.
• 50:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, magical because we didn't know it was going to have it was one of those is like people ask me how I'll say I get like it's not like people stop me on the streets and say I was 2015 to how 2015 season feel But I remember Joe and I do and it was like we didn't know how special it was
• 50:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, you're on this roller coaster that you have no idea.
• 51:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't rollercoaster, but you're on it.
• 51:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're in a movie.
• 51:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: I like it to this a little bit, Greg.
• 51:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: And this is gonna be the stupidest analogy ever.
• 51:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: One of the best movie experiences I've ever had in my life was the movie The Ring.
• 51:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Do you remember that car movie where they call you or the people the girl calls out TV and they haunt you All right, you might not remember The reason this was is because I had no idea anything about this movie I was out of town.
• 51:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: We had nothing to do and we said let's just go to the movies and we just walked in to whatever movie was showing Yeah, I had no I didn't know anything.
• 51:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: I even know it was a horror movie.
• 51:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: It sat down.
• 51:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was like
• 51:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I guess that and it was just like I didn't know what to expect in that 2015 season you're like, man, this is fun.
• 51:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Wow, this is really fun.
• 51:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is getting to be insane, and it was just a ride to that was, it was a magical magic moment.
• 52:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: And when we were talking about Cam being that magical unique player, it was hard to, it's like, they're gonna be players.
• 52:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's the best quarterback in the history world.
• 52:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're not gonna say it's the best football player to history of football or something like that.
• 52:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: But there's only, there was like, I feel like this like one Cam Newton.
• 52:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah.
• 52:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I mean, you look at that season.
• 52:26
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think we were 5-0 and everybody said that we were a fake 5-0 and I think that was the week six.
• 52:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think it was, we played Seattle and everybody said, this is the real test.
• 52:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: We're going to see the real Carolina and then that one passed down the same to Greg Olson that sealed the game in that one.
• 52:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: And everybody was like, okay, Carolina's for real.
• 52:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: And it's good to go after that.
• 52:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: And too like you're saying is that it was every single way and maybe this is what it takes for a team to make the Super Bowl is everything has to go right even when it goes wrong.
• 53:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Kelvin Benjamin goes down going in that season, but you're able to find an offense that flourishes
• 53:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: with, um, Jericho Kotry.
• 53:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: You had a rookie step in and Devon punches who played probably his best season of his, one of his best seasons of his shorter career.
• 53:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, you had, uh, rookies stepping up in big moments and playing big roles.
• 53:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Been, I've been wickery started a lot throughout that season.
• 53:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Josh Norman, who had a great season.
• 53:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Who is?
• 53:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of a He's not a super he wasn't super star Josh Norman you know, he was good But he's not like of this you know he's like you're not I think
• 53:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: J.C. Horn, you know, is a different caliber?
• 53:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 53:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, cool.
• 54:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, you look at Josh Norman and, like, everybody talks about how Brady was and, like, yeah, he was for a couple of years, really good.
• 54:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, you got to think about that season where Josh Norman was that shut down corner.
• 54:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think he had four interceptions in the first four games and was just tearing it up.
• 54:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like, I think when we got to the game,
• 54:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: And like week 15, where he's playing O'Dell or something like that, he had allowed the top wide receivers in the league.
• 54:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: Don't even have any non yards or zero touchdowns against them for that game.
• 54:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, he was playing great.
• 54:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: But that was his fourth year.
• 54:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: Up until that year, he only had two career perceptions.
• 54:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he was up until up until that point.
• 54:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: He just had a breakout year.
• 54:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he was Ernst's second year.
• 54:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, we're rookie year, can't believe it.
• 54:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was one of those is Josh Norman was a good player who had a great season.
• 54:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and now he was just kind of well, he was good.
• 54:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: He had good moments.
• 54:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was a good player, but like is he's better on good teams
• 54:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, um, trade Boston, another player on that team, trade Boston, who was a rookie that year, who had an important year.
• 55:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I always said he was a good, and I'm, and then please, no offensive, trade Boston here.
• 55:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Here's this, because I'm not a player in the NFL.
• 55:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, I'm like, you guys are all great, right?
• 55:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: But you're a good NFL player, and you could be a very good NFL player on good teams.
• 55:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: but it's harder to be a good player on bad teams for those and then some guys like Julius Peppers are just great anywhere in every moment you know different there but when i said everything goes well you had the rookie class contributing
• 55:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: you had a veteran free agents come in and make a difference from Jericho, contrary, but don't forget to tell him and Tolbert.
• 55:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like these guys all came in.
• 55:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: And one, and this is I think something that, you know, Charles Johnson went down that season.
• 55:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he gets hurt.
• 55:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: The Panthers are making a push.
• 55:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: A Carolina Panthers went made a trade for Jared Allen.
• 56:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: and Jared Allen came in and made a difference yeah like it was like is that went right uh... the panthers offensive line played well there were no injuries throughout the season and players like my grandmothers that played better
• 56:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Then he was supposed to and Michael or I would say blind side.
• 56:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you know, that that was his year right there before the concussions and all them and you know, you got blessing my hope he's okay, but that was before he really started falling off the cliff, you know, that was definitely his breakout year and then after that, it was just kind of nothing this was the season to the Odo back up pulled the baseball bad out.
• 56:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Wasn't that the year we walked around on the baseball bat on the side of the sideline and timidating people?
• 56:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: And was that also the year that, was that the year that Odo Beckham and Josh Norman fought?
• 56:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
• 56:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Or, or, oh, well, did that super cheap comeback or whatever?
• 56:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I went back and I watched the game a couple of times.
• 57:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, oh, well, that could have been kicked out of that game a number of times.
• 57:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: A number of times should have been kicked out of the game.
• 57:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not too difficult.
• 57:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: How do you have three personal files and not get kicked out of the game?
• 57:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like it was absolutely insane.
• 57:13
  [SPEAKER_06]: The only reason and this goes back to the script thing.
• 57:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: The only reason they kept him in that game was because we were up 35 to 7 in that game.
• 57:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: and we end up winning that game by a field goal.
• 57:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wow.
• 57:26
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, and Oddo Beckham only had one touchdown, but the thing is, like, he's in the mind of everybody else.
• 57:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: He's messing up, he's just taking cheap shots into our game.
• 57:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: If he was kicked out of that game, we should have been.
• 57:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: We do one that game 50 to seven, 50 to 14, you know?
• 57:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: See, note where the games from that season come back, see, the Seahawks game.
• 57:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
• 57:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was a big, that was a game.
• 57:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Also week by week early is an early week five that year better than week three of 2003 The Panthers at that time have beaten the Jacksonville Jaguars, which Odo Beckman Although Josh Norman had a pick six I was at that game.
• 58:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: We went to Jacksonville with the ruin riot They beat the Texans then they beat the Saints
• 58:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: on put up a bunch of points against Tampa, your four, no, but you got that mantra, your beat and nobody's, you know, this is like a, and if Cody was here, he's like, he says week six is when you start to learn who a team is.
• 58:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: And Carolina is makes it come back.
• 58:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was a comeback when.
• 58:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, it was a back and forth game, and we had the ball down at the end, but we, you know, that was that Greg Olson, dad run up the seam, nobody covered him and scored such down the rear end, yeah.
• 58:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll see if we look at the player stats from that game.
• 58:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Cam Newton had 269 yards passing, it took the passing touchdown.
• 59:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: It two picks in that game was sack three times.
• 59:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Only rush the ball for 30 yards.
• 59:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: We rushed a ball all right with Jonathan Stewart 78 yards in that game.
• 59:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Greg Oltzen had a monster game with seven catches 131 yards and a touchdown How did the Carolina Panthers score so many points?
• 59:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: They had oh no, they had a rushing touchdown from camp They had two rushing touchdowns from Jonathan Stewart
• 59:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and then they had the Greg Olsen touchdown Russell Wilson was sack four times in that game.
• 59:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: And, uh, through was 18 for 30 for 241 yards Jimmy Graham nothing.
• 59:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, Martian Lynch, uh, 54 yards rushing.
• 59:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Who did it for them?
• 59:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, Jimmy Graham.
• 59:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Here we go.
• 59:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was looking at his Russian yards eight catches for 140 yards in that game.
• 1:00:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:00:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Holy cow.
• 1:00:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it was that it was kind of like winning big games and that was speaking of a team that is in the Super Bowl right now.
• 1:00:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: with the Seattle Seahawks is this was the time where Seattle was our one of our biggest rivals.
• 1:00:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well they had the Legion of Boom then that was like the peak of Legion of Boom.
• 1:00:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we played them three or four years or row and there was like 15, 12 games, the 12, 9 games but it felt like they always got the they got the best of us more than we got the best of them.
• 1:00:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:00:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: And this was a changing of the guard kind of moment, right?
• 1:00:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:00:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Where Russell will play.
• 1:00:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'll say you're too.
• 1:00:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that was a big game and then it's kind of like, oh, do you do people believe in us or, or, you know, nobody's believe in that Philly game.
• 1:00:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like it was a three game stretch, Greg, where it was Seahawks, then you beat Philly and then the big one, a lot of people really think was a kind of a pivot point was that cult's game.
• 1:01:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: over time when I was at that cool to game.
• 1:01:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
• 1:01:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, the rain game.
• 1:01:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I was at that cool to game.
• 1:01:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: So we were up big and then we're coming back and going to overtime, we didn't learn overtime.
• 1:01:26
  [SPEAKER_06]: I was at that cool to game.
• 1:01:27
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:01:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: And Andrew luck with kind of an up and down game in a sense is that you had 231 yards you had two touchdowns you had three picks.
• 1:01:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Cam really similar type game that day.
• 1:01:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: No Russian touchdowns for him.
• 1:01:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I think this is again, I bet you if we look back is that Olson had a good day there.
• 1:01:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: So if you go back, nobody stands out on the box, she is like, it's just they figured out how to do it.
• 1:02:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, what's funny is you go back and look at Camlie and I think still to this day, I think his first game ever against Green Bay was his most passing yards of his career.
• 1:02:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: If I'm not mistaken, it's first game ever against Green Bay.
• 1:02:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was first game was Arizona.
• 1:02:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it was Arizona.
• 1:02:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: Was it Arizona?
• 1:02:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 1:02:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then they play Green Bay, then they get 400 yards in a row.
• 1:02:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's right.
• 1:02:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
• 1:02:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: Never did it again, it's all career.
• 1:02:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: But if you go back and look at that Odale game that we're talking about, the Giants game, he had four touchdowns and a rushing touchdown.
• 1:02:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think in the first half.
• 1:02:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: Right, like he was on pace that game down on him.
• 1:02:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, he was on that game to score 10 touchdowns and for some reason the second half.
• 1:02:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: It just didn't happen.
• 1:02:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it was crazy The Carolina Panthers then go on to beat the Green Bay Packers Tennessee Titans Washington Redskins, but one of the most iconic games from the 2015 season that Dallas Cowboy game
• 1:02:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: right there.
• 1:03:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's hard to argue that there is a more, you know, you're on a stage.
• 1:03:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: People are telling you, you don't belong.
• 1:03:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, is that they're not at your best undefeated, you know, worst undefeated team we've ever seen.
• 1:03:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they go on the road on the biggest stage and Thanksgiving.
• 1:03:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: and really the defense went this one for him.
• 1:03:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, let's see, Stuart had, say who scored touchdowns in this game.
• 1:03:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Cam had a rushing touchdown.
• 1:03:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: He had no passing touchdowns.
• 1:03:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: We had, see, I don't even know, do we have any buddy?
• 1:03:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: There was not a single off.
• 1:03:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: How do we beat them so badly?
• 1:03:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: When there were no offensive touchdowns scored really, except for one offensive touchdown is that true?
• 1:03:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you very much.
• 1:03:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I said, no, but I'm looking at the Boscow right here is that there are no receiving touchdowns.
• 1:04:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Cam didn't throw a pass and he was 16 for 27, 183 yards.
• 1:04:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, he had one rushing touchdown on the day.
• 1:04:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: No one else had a rushing touchdown on the team.
• 1:04:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we have one offensive touchdown.
• 1:04:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: The Panthers won that game.
• 1:04:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's see, what was the final score that that game was 33 to 14 and you have one offensive touchdown.
• 1:04:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, that was like yeah, that was like I can't remember the year the chief speed us Um, I think this chord like 28 points and didn't have an offensive touchdown and they'd be Alice had three turnovers Let's see if we can wish I could read I know that the keycly had a pick six Coleman had a pick six, so that's two
• 1:04:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you had seven, seven, twenty one of the, or 14 of those points aren't pick six, twenty one points, but there's still, uh, was that twenty one, there's twelve more, I guess the rest were field goals.
• 1:05:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:05:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's crazy.
• 1:05:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: You came out of the Russian touchdown too, so yeah.
• 1:05:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, so yeah, so you had two picks six, maybe something in there.
• 1:05:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: But that was like, I mean, I don't know, I felt like that was like when the defense said,
• 1:05:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: We want our note a riety here.
• 1:05:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Don't let get cam all the attention on this team, but that defense was really important for that for that team going forward.
• 1:05:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the divisional round you're right, they, they hosted the Seattle Seahawks jumped out to a 31 and nothing lead.
• 1:05:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're really cooking by that point.
• 1:05:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we almost lost that game too, I think I think they came back on 24 was yeah, I don't score.
• 1:05:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:05:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: I went to the NFC Championship.
• 1:05:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, similar to just the weather wasn't like this type of weather that we had we got like a 14 inches of snow here at Greg.
• 1:05:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think I got 12 where I was crazy.
• 1:05:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was like nobody knows what it looks like.
• 1:05:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've never seen that in my yard before.
• 1:06:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: But we had a ice storm the week before.
• 1:06:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it was one of those where it was bad enough with the ice.
• 1:06:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: That we were like, gosh, I mean, is it safe to make this trip to Charlotte, and we said we're school.
• 1:06:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're doing it.
• 1:06:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: And the weather turned out great and it became weather greatest games I ever attended my life.
• 1:06:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's it's it's funny because I go back and watch that game and I I wonder like I wish we could have saved a little bit of that offense for the Super Bowl.
• 1:06:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like, like give me 14 of those points for the
• 1:06:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: like like we were going into the into the Super Bowl after that slacking of the cardinals that game I was like there is no way we lose this Super Bowl like no way and then you know once again you get in the conspiracies scripting I look at with the NFL rather have cam Newton be the face of the 50th Super Bowl winner or
• 1:07:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: uh, Peyton Manning.
• 1:07:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, well, you know, I feel like this is that yeah, it was, it was not a price.
• 1:07:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: So let's just talk about the Super Bowl.
• 1:07:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was finish up with that.
• 1:07:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then we're going to your calls.
• 1:07:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: We want to hear your Super Bowl moments.
• 1:07:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then I'm going to give away this metal thing that no one is never told us, but it goes on the wall or a back of a seat for the end of a road.
• 1:07:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is from Bank of America Stadium, sandwiched from their last renovations.
• 1:07:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: the lead up.
• 1:07:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think this is one of the things is like that week off, and all the media and this and that, you know, it felt like if Carolina could have gone and played that game one week after they beat Arizona, they're toasting these mugs.
• 1:07:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: What is your thoughts on?
• 1:07:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Why is it what happens in Stifle?
• 1:07:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because some people put a lot of this on, or I've heard players talk about, even it was Mike Shula, who said, we didn't just take advantage of the opportunities we had.
• 1:08:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we try to do things like force or scrap bag to around hoe with our offense.
• 1:08:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: But what is it that stuck out because the team I mean it was a boring game, but there's some moments that there just could not capitalize on I think Von Miller happened.
• 1:08:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think prime bond Miller Absolutely dominated our offensive line and and and he's the reason he's the if you can Want to put it on one reason why we lost that game.
• 1:08:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think it's him to be truly honest with you Because you go back and look at that game.
• 1:08:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: We're in the fourth quarter.
• 1:08:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: We're down what 10 to 14
• 1:08:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and have the ball and that's the that's the that's the drive that can be fumbles the ball and then everybody gets madied and dive on it, which I mean if you go back and look at it Even if he dives for that ball is not going to get it and I have a knee injury or shoulder injury or something like it's one of those things like I mean I get people getting on to but not diving on that ball
• 1:09:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: What, oh, here's your, this what he should do is a pole right here is the pole is what's worse.
• 1:09:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: The KC kick out of bounds or the Cam Newton not diving on it.
• 1:09:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was what has hurt there like you know how about this is I bet you jog KC is happy.
• 1:09:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: They don't have social media.
• 1:09:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: They didn't have social media then.
• 1:09:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
• 1:09:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because think of how many times we've had to see that stupid Cam Newton not jumping in
• 1:09:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're right, as I think you're right, the Von Miller happened.
• 1:09:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think you should probably should have committed to the run a little bit more.
• 1:09:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I think the one thing is to look at the reverse of that is not just Von Miller is I feel like Mike Rembers.
• 1:09:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: God bless my great I mean talk about a real success story from a nobody dude who is made he got a free agent deal later with the Vikings My crammers was a good tackle For about 13 weeks.
• 1:10:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and he hit this wall like I may as remember is like every year It was just like it's like he started to play worse like it was just like this too much football for me and he just got was on those guys were on skates Dude, they were literally sliding backwards.
• 1:10:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah
• 1:10:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: You have the Jericho Cotry.
• 1:10:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: the non-catch.
• 1:10:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 1:10:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, see, honestly, I think that right there was one of the biggest plays of the game.
• 1:10:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: Because I know it was the beginning of the game, but you're talking about a momentum killer.
• 1:10:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like, I think that was what our first or second drive caught really makes this catch, and they called it in complete.
• 1:10:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: You change the game up, if that's that catch is called correctly.
• 1:10:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, the entire game is differently, different for that.
• 1:10:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: Because we can see that drive, and the way we were going are offence was pumping at that point in time.
• 1:10:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: Totally changed the game.
• 1:10:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that was a huge play in the Super Bowl That really affected everything that I if you went on like if he said I think I'm angry It's that hot Miller happened is the thing Are you whatever do you say to singular plays some people say the fumble some people say the Jericho cut for me It was the John Casey miss field goal going and I have to
• 1:11:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: You tie this game up, and you make it a battle where you run, run, run, we make somebody win instead of feeling like you got to come back, you know, it was the miss feel go.
• 1:11:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Think of that.
• 1:11:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was Graham good no, right.
• 1:11:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: I was just saying, it wasn't Casey.
• 1:11:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: I said John Casey.
• 1:11:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:11:39
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, what I thought about it and also it was that John Casey.
• 1:11:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the problem.
• 1:11:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was, I think it was, I think it was Graham.
• 1:11:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:11:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that would have been a gram getting no year.
• 1:11:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: And probably the reason I hate gram getting was from two kicks.
• 1:11:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's, you know, gram getting no loss against Denver twice in my mind was that kick, which could change the momentum of a game, right?
• 1:12:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is, you know, you tied up, you walk in a half time, you say we got, we, you know, this isn't the best looking thing, but we can figure way to win this out.
• 1:12:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Not we're gonna cut fight from behind.
• 1:12:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and then the next year, Greg is he, uh, we go and open up the season in Denver, 2016.
• 1:12:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Michael, where I think it's a, maybe got a concussion next week, but Cam Newton leads them on a fourth quarter, come back damn drive.
• 1:12:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Do you know how many times people have defended?
• 1:12:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Bryce Young on this team on this podcast for that Atlanta game where he led us from the five to hitting a 45 year of like we didn't go score touchdown.
• 1:12:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: He just got us in field goal range.
• 1:12:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm selling like I'm not anti-ricin here, but can with all the criticism, all the power, all the things that
• 1:12:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: The way he handled the post game and the Super Bowl, that six months of Cam is a demon talk.
• 1:13:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: They open up the season against the team that beat them.
• 1:13:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Denver's head hunting this dude, all game.
• 1:13:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's toughest man on earth, Cam.
• 1:13:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he comes and leads them down the field and you miss
• 1:13:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then the whole trajectory You were talking about like you asked about Tom Brady and like what what would his story of bed?
• 1:13:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, well, you got to wonder is what was Cam's story of Bynath?
• 1:13:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: They won this Super Bowl?
• 1:13:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Or if even the next year they had just beaten Denver.
• 1:13:43
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, think about what Cam Newton's story would have been if if if the Panthers invested Had to take the best in price.
• 1:13:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh my god.
• 1:13:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like I said, I don't want to talk trash about price But if they if they treated Cam Newton the way they treated Bryce Young as far as What's your doing to build around him?
• 1:14:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: He'll be never did that.
• 1:14:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: We can can Newton would have been An MVP.
• 1:14:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean we wasn't MVP.
• 1:14:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: He would have dominated the league for years
• 1:14:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: If you're drafting players, for him, like they are for Bryce, if you're building the offense, like they are, like it's just, it's not even funny.
• 1:14:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: And you're right.
• 1:14:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: A lot of people in the podcast, people, and just the football talking world, your friends, they give Bryce so much rope that we never gave can.
• 1:14:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I don't know, and that's that Superman syndrome, that's that you're so big you don't deserve this that like he would get hit like other players wouldn't get hit and they say, well, he's a big guy, you know, it's the Shaxon.
• 1:14:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're not old enough for that call.
• 1:14:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's the Shaxon drum, you know, she'll kneel kneel didn't get calls that other players in the NBA got calls because he was so big.
• 1:14:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, it's still a foul.
• 1:14:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: you know, like it's still a bad play like this place need to be called and it's just it's crazy how it works out like that, you know, but that's that's the way the NFL is.
• 1:14:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm so the the Panthers really to moralize and now it's just like let's just think about the CK is texting me right now.
• 1:15:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we might be able to get CK in here if I can
• 1:15:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't have.
• 1:15:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: He took social media.
• 1:15:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's on a fast, by the way, and not like a food fast.
• 1:15:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: But he's deleted social media from his phone.
• 1:15:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, you know what, man?
• 1:15:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: I've gotten off Twitter and I don't miss it one bit or she's me ex.
• 1:15:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't miss it one bit and it's, uh, it's absolutely phenomenal.
• 1:15:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: Getting away from all that noise.
• 1:15:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I use, I have to use those for this.
• 1:15:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll just get my news, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:15:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:15:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like your quick news, see if I can get him this link real quick.
• 1:15:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Guys, what we want to do now is we've shared, I'm going to share my Super Bowl moment after a caller to Greg, if you can remember, maybe a story you want to share from one of those years that is meaningful to you.
• 1:16:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: But let's go ahead and check in with the catcalls.
• 1:16:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's your time to be a part of the show and get involved and we are giving away this historic Panthers memorabilia from Bank of America Stadium to a story that we deem has just endearing and whatever way it may be.
• 1:16:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: The good news for you guys said there are rather high odds
• 1:16:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: for you to potentially win an artifact here.
• 1:16:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: So let's get into the calls.
• 1:16:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: The numbers 252, 228, 50, 98, where's this cat call?
• 1:16:39
  [SPEAKER_05]: So what are your thoughts on cat calling?
• 1:16:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's pretty sh**t. It shouldn't do that to somebody.
• 1:16:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: And how do that make you feel?
• 1:16:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Very uncomfortable.
• 1:16:45
  [SPEAKER_05]: How do you think cat calling makes the person feel?
• 1:16:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: It feels good like the three and a four and a four.
• 1:17:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I read your play hope dealer play.
• 1:17:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: See, Chatey Tony Dunn was up to us as the hope dealer checking in real quick with the C3 Legion.
• 1:17:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I trust and play everybody is doing all right out there, happy Super Bowl, we happy Tuesday.
• 1:17:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: So let's get into it.
• 1:17:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, after 10 coaching spots.
• 1:17:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: available all ten field and none of them feel with zero a barrel.
• 1:17:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he's back.
• 1:17:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ah, well, all I can say is we gotta get some some good talent.
• 1:17:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's all I can say.
• 1:17:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I still haven't gotten over the fact that our defense is so dependent upon their
• 1:18:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: how the whole difference just fell apart.
• 1:18:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: That speaks volumes to me, but hey, it is what it is.
• 1:18:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's back, so let's make the best out of that.
• 1:18:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: But hey, y'all, I was thinking, we got to draft the tackle.
• 1:18:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Too mo is basically on the last year of this contract, and we can't stop building that wall of brown bright shone.
• 1:18:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be too expensive to bring in a starting caliber tackle, and with itky with his injury now.
• 1:18:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: It sees them, and then of course, it sees out.
• 1:18:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we'll pay him by showing the fifth year option.
• 1:18:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: We don't have to draft the tackle.
• 1:18:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's unexpected, but I'm thinking regardless of what happens.
• 1:18:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have to draft the tackle just for death and for development.
• 1:18:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Give me your thoughts on that.
• 1:18:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Once again, it's the whole village happy Super Bowl.
• 1:18:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody out there, keep down there.
• 1:18:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
• 1:18:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hope, Dila, for your call, talking about news in the NFL.
• 1:19:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Agiro Evera was not hired in the latest coaching cycle and focusing on the Carolina Panthers, the aftermath of a Kim Aquinas injury, which looks to be a season ending injury.
• 1:19:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: that he will not play it all in 2026, but it would probably be a naive to make a game plan for the Carolina Panthers heading into 2026, believe in that he would be somebody who could count on even half way through the season and how you're going to fill that void through the draft through free agency.
• 1:19:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I do think the Carolina Panthers who have never drafted an offensive lineman under Dan Morgan's regime yet are really going to need to start thinking about that.
• 1:19:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's welcome at C. K. He's sitting on the couch in Murdoch Beach.
• 1:19:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was hoping he was going to be only fancy K in the bed that was originally there.
• 1:19:59
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm going to bed.
• 1:20:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just putting up for it.
• 1:20:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 1:20:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: I got lower.
• 1:20:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: We have to send you money.
• 1:20:06
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm still open to that, you know, there's still some opportunities, but that super chat makes sure it's indicated that it's coming to me for my only fans content, and I will make sure to get that out as soon as my wife allows, which will most likely be never.
• 1:20:23
  [SPEAKER_05]: but yeah, so we're happy to hear a seed Greg has joined us and not only has Greg joined us, a beardless Greg has joined us after the playoffs were made by the Carolina Panthers.
• 1:20:39
  [SPEAKER_05]: And here we are, Greg.
• 1:20:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: uh uh uh uh uh you know the the curse has been broken whatever you want to you know say that we earned it or not I mean I think we were the better team in the NFC South but um i'm happy to hear you hear you're here I'm sure you guys have talked about your opinion on the season and what have you so um i can go back and watch the bod and see how that went but um what uh you guys were having a conversation about your favorite moments of the Panthers is that what it was?
• 1:21:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah
• 1:21:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: We are right now.
• 1:21:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: We have mainly we started off CK with talking a little bit about You know what the season was like for the vibe of the season for this year But this has been a nostalgia moment.
• 1:21:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: We've been going through the 2003 We went back to 2003 worked a little bit throughout the season talk about the playoff talk about Jake the loam and some of those iconic plays
• 1:21:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we just revisited the 2015 Super Bowl run and how insane like great it was.
• 1:21:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: And one thing that will bring you in and dovetail you in on this conversation is it's been 10 years since the Carolina Panthers were at that Super Bowl.
• 1:21:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and it took 13 years to get back to one after 2000 and 3.
• 1:22:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and just shows you at this moment when Sam Donald is in that today or this week playing in this moment.
• 1:22:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: for a guy who's not supposed to be there, or even think about the Patriots.
• 1:22:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you know, if you're a Patriots fan, there's jerks probably.
• 1:22:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're just so used to winning.
• 1:22:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: Drake may as had an incredible season.
• 1:22:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I really have been to, I mean, it's like a Charlotte kid.
• 1:22:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, as I'm rooting for him, I'm like, I am mad about how much I like not like, but I've been a supporter of Drake may throughout the season.
• 1:22:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Or I've picked New England and moments where everybody
• 1:22:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like I've not let my Patriot's hate overwhelming in this moment, but if you're a Patriot's fan right now, CK, you're like this is we've got an MVP basically, who's gonna lose it to Stafford.
• 1:22:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: We got variable even if we lose to the better C-Arts team.
• 1:22:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're gonna be back.
• 1:23:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're gonna be back and it's not guaranteed.
• 1:23:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: No, it's not, but I think that the difference between this Patriots team and the Patriots teams of years past are that I don't, Drake May has played well this year, but I think there's also been enough question marks to where it has been, this team fills somewhat in complete.
• 1:23:25
  [SPEAKER_05]: And so it'll be interesting to see how they hammer home next this off season,
• 1:23:33
  [SPEAKER_05]: under Bill Bella check they weren't big spenders here the past few years they've been big spenders and free agency and so it will be interesting to see how they approach it.
• 1:23:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm you might if we haven't had a chance to talk about our predictions I'll be happy to tell our firm you know the my prediction if we have it's not I'll wait a little bit later.
• 1:23:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll talk to that just for a second but yeah go with your point.
• 1:23:53
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but I think Cam Newton had talked about this in the middle of the season where he said the Patriots were pretenders and you know, I think down the stretch we started to feel that a little bit more
• 1:24:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, with some of the games that they won, they kept it a little too close.
• 1:24:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: There was just like, there were some question marks around that team.
• 1:24:12
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think the whole there are good team.
• 1:24:14
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I do think that the bills have to be feeling sick as can be.
• 1:24:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: That they missed their opportunity for a Super Bowl.
• 1:24:22
  [SPEAKER_05]: And now the Patriots are back at the end of the dominant team in the ASC piece.
• 1:24:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: And so, I do expect they're going to be a contender every single year.
• 1:24:35
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just curious to see if they're going to be heavy hitters.
• 1:24:38
  [SPEAKER_05]: Because if you think that one year removed from the playoffs means the chiefs are no longer the chiefs, you're out of your mind.
• 1:24:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I don't know if I'm putting anybody above the chiefs until, you know, for any extended period of time.
• 1:24:55
  [SPEAKER_05]: So this is the Patriots' best opportunity of winning the Super Bowl over the next five to 10 years in my opinion.
• 1:25:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, let me ask you, you know, you talk about the Patriots and they're going to come back strong.
• 1:25:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: You think you even if they lose this game.
• 1:25:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: And can we not look at this year as possibly an anomaly?
• 1:25:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, look at last year, they won four games.
• 1:25:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, they don't be wrong.
• 1:25:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: They played well this year, but like you said, that if you games that were very questionable this year, and it takes a lot of, it takes a lot of talent to win a Super Bowl to get to a Super Bowl.
• 1:25:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: It also takes a little bit of luck a lot of times.
• 1:25:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm wondering if this team is a team that is,
• 1:25:34
  [SPEAKER_06]: like a patriot's density team like we've seen the past or a team that's going to come back and be strong or if they just had a good year and this is a run they're making and you know the next few years that the bills are going to continue to dominate that debate argument I have against that is microable.
• 1:25:53
  [SPEAKER_05]: Mike Brable has rebuilt franchise already within the Tennessee Titans took them to pretty deep in the playoffs.
• 1:26:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: He's never made it to the Super Bowl as the coach, but you know, here he is.
• 1:26:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: He's coming in and he's already inherited.
• 1:26:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: Let's be real.
• 1:26:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: He inherited a really good team as it was, you know, when he jumped up the balance they had.
• 1:26:16
  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, what I mean is he and the talent that they have, the change, like if you think about it this
• 1:26:22
  [SPEAKER_05]: they had Drake may last year.
• 1:26:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, rookie, though.
• 1:26:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's a little, um, what is?
• 1:26:29
  [SPEAKER_05]: They didn't have stuff on digs, right?
• 1:26:30
  [SPEAKER_05]: They didn't have him in the offseason and they had Milton, what's his name Milton?
• 1:26:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: They injected, they spent, and I think to pay their gals comment is, I think a CK was talking about historically they had not spent money in free agency.
• 1:26:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 1:26:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: But in this season, they did.
• 1:26:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, they are a poster child of if you execute free agency, well, and add in around those building blocks of the corner pack and some different things to you're talking about this kind of...
• 1:27:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: base talent maybe or at least base building blocks, but they did.
• 1:27:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: They were the number one spinning team in free agency this year.
• 1:27:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and you're right.
• 1:27:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: They injected talent around those foundation.
• 1:27:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a crazy story to go from three and 14 to 14 and three.
• 1:27:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, right.
• 1:27:20
  [SPEAKER_05]: That's it.
• 1:27:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: That leads to, you know, bad daddy's point is, doesn't that lead credence to the fact that that could be an anomaly of a year?
• 1:27:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: But let's keep in mind that there is something that is real about the Super Bowl hangover.
• 1:27:38
  [SPEAKER_05]: We felt it in 2016, you know, the chief felt it this year, you know, when a team loses the Super Bowl, which, you know, again, we don't know who's going to be the outcome, you know, winning Victor this week.
• 1:27:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: But, you know, there's a good change you start going into next year.
• 1:27:55
  [SPEAKER_05]: And that, that does somehow translate into another year, where maybe it's a down year for the Patriots.
• 1:28:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: Now, again, I'm inclined to believe that Mike Brable,
• 1:28:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: is the coach that caused them to be where they're at.
• 1:28:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think that again, while they did have some big spending and free agency, I think that he did have the team as a whole.
• 1:28:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: Like you, there's only so much you can do in free agency to make your team that much better.
• 1:28:23
  [SPEAKER_05]: the core was there.
• 1:28:24
  [SPEAKER_05]: They just needed to shore up some stuff and the good coaching needed to happen.
• 1:28:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 1:28:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't, yeah.
• 1:28:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know if the core was there is that they had a quarter back that was there, that they had some things, but then you're, I mean, variable, the variable effect.
• 1:28:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I want to highlight.
• 1:28:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: The variable I'm going to do is Josh McDaniel's director is some credit to is Josh McDaniel's obviously is the only thing he's good at, not that that's rude.
• 1:28:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: The best thing he's at, the best thing he's best at is being the Patriots offensive coordinator.
• 1:29:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's not good at being offensive coach.
• 1:29:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, heck though, but he has been great as an offensive coordinator for the Patriots historically in the past.
• 1:29:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And what they were able to do with Drake may, like you're saying, is, um, I mean, it is, it's, it shows you what a guy, I don't know, it's like, can you put a value on it?
• 1:29:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, is, uh, maybe it's like, is the only thing is we could wonder, is will Harba be able to do something like this for the giants?
• 1:29:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, well, you know, I didn't even think about it until CK just mentioned that, but think about Raeble, like you got to think about the pedigree that he comes from, I mean, he was part of that original, as a player, part of the original Patriot's dynasty that won the Super Bowl, playing for Bill Bellachak, he's kind of the bill, a part of the Bill Bellachak.
• 1:29:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: Coaching tree and I didn't even think about him going Tennessee.
• 1:29:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: You might be right CK.
• 1:29:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: It could be just the fact that Rable's just a great leader and knows how to put a team together.
• 1:30:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I mean, I mean, I think I'm working as the camps organized the meetings.
• 1:30:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:30:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:30:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: He may just be that good.
• 1:30:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 1:30:11
  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, you think about what happened to Tennessee after he dipped.
• 1:30:14
  [SPEAKER_05]: right they they've never been able to recapture what they were able to do under variable.
• 1:30:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: He goes to New England after they'd been in turmoil since Bill Bellett so it really since Tom Brady left and year one there he's able to pull this stunt and get this team into a super bowl.
• 1:30:33
  [SPEAKER_05]: Like nobody would have thought this was going to be a possible outcome and it and so I think he deserves a lot of credit.
• 1:30:39
  [SPEAKER_05]: Again
• 1:30:40
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think that he inherited a team that just needed guidance, so I think that he didn't have to do as much work as people thought he was going to have to do because the core was there.
• 1:30:52
  [SPEAKER_05]: Outside of Milton Williams and Stefan Diggs, you can't really name much as far as what they've done in
• 1:30:58
  [SPEAKER_05]: their biggest spender was Milton Williams, and that's why they were the number one free agent spender in the all season.
• 1:31:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: So it was 100% that the draft and the fact that they were able to perform really well, as far as their core players prior to that Christian Gonzalez, you had Drake May, you had Ramadri Stevenson, is that what does the name is?
• 1:31:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: like you have you had some real dogs on that team they just needed a coach that could keep this team that knew how to guide them to the right in the right direction to get them where they needed to be.
• 1:31:33
  [SPEAKER_05]: But I just wanted to say first I want to say I'm probably going to have to dip off here we're about to go to bed.
• 1:31:37
  [SPEAKER_05]: We've got to get up super early but I wanted to make my prediction if that's cool.
• 1:31:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, can I make one comment about rainbow real quick right here?
• 1:31:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
• 1:31:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, a reminder, and Super Bowl 30 eight versus Carolina Panthers, Raeville caught is when you aren't touched down.
• 1:31:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'll say score.
• 1:31:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a player scored a touchdown against.
• 1:31:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
• 1:31:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Go ahead.
• 1:31:58
  [SPEAKER_05]: So I got a dip out here, but my prediction is Cam Newton was right, and we're about to see the sea hawks humble the hell out of the New England Patriots, not that I wanted to happen.
• 1:32:12
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think this is our dad's New England Patriots.
• 1:32:16
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's not the same New England Patriots, we're mad that are back in the Super Bowl.
• 1:32:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: Like legitimately, I think most people I talked to are not really that upset that this Patriots team is in the Super Bowl.
• 1:32:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: five years ago, 10 years ago, whatever it is.
• 1:32:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: So I'm not even saying that at just pure hatred.
• 1:32:35
  [SPEAKER_05]: I just think, I saw enough from this Patriots team so far in the playoffs, who were there were more questions and answers on this team.
• 1:32:43
  [SPEAKER_05]: When it comes to going against good teams, there's shouldn't have been a situation where that game against the Broncos was even anywhere close to that with the being a backup quarterback.
• 1:32:53
  [SPEAKER_05]: And they kept it way too close down to the wire even before the blizzard started.
• 1:32:59
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I just think the Seattle Seahawks have it every turn proved they deserve to be here.
• 1:33:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: And they are by far the most complete team that I think I've seen than a Super Bowl in years.
• 1:33:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: Is this a Seahawks cult Super Bowl?
• 1:33:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: You remember when the Seahawks beat the breaks off the cults in Super Bowl years ago?
• 1:33:17
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think that it's going to be, I don't know if I'm going to say that it's going to be a massive blowout, but I think it's going to be by more than two scores.
• 1:33:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, thank you.
• 1:33:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, man.
• 1:33:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Shoot straight and true.
• 1:33:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's good seeing you, man.
• 1:33:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Don't look at the snow and the sand boxes or wherever you're at.
• 1:33:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Have fun on this trip.
• 1:33:39
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's pretty good.
• 1:33:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's CK there, Greg.
• 1:33:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: We only got a few calls more tonight.
• 1:33:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll be right.
• 1:33:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to be getting out of here.
• 1:33:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: See Greg don't worry.
• 1:33:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just hang in there for just a couple more moments.
• 1:33:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, so I'm off tomorrow.
• 1:33:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: Anyway, I'm not worried about it.
• 1:33:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: I really quick Tony was that guy Williamson, the guy who's talking with the victim of Fridgey, was that the guy that the Patriots snipe from us?
• 1:33:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
• 1:33:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: The one that we signed or were about to sign?
• 1:34:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like we were in terms to agree.
• 1:34:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: And then all of a sudden he was a Patriot.
• 1:34:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's offensive tackle.
• 1:34:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was it.
• 1:34:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that was kind of the start.
• 1:34:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then we pivoted to Turkey, Martin, Bobby Bound III, which
• 1:34:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I won't say it was a great thing, but obviously, you know, you look at them in the Super Bowl.
• 1:34:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: You say, man, I wish we would have had him instead.
• 1:34:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: But, um, Tark Wharton didn't, you know, suffered through injuries.
• 1:34:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Was not an impact.
• 1:34:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Bobby Brown, the third was a pretty strong masala player for us this year.
• 1:34:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think the Panthers had so many needs.
• 1:34:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I, I think that sinking too much into a singular player would have, you know, like we needed some bodies to, right?
• 1:34:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't know if it was a blessing in disguise.
• 1:34:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: And crazily, uh, we talked about the Patriots making this flip flop from nothing to something.
• 1:34:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Spending all this money.
• 1:34:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Greg, there's no surprises to Carolina pay it there somehow never have cap money.
• 1:35:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we only have 11 million dollars right.
• 1:35:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know that number is going to change as they make some that as they make their adjustments to the roster, right?
• 1:35:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: So they're going to cut some players.
• 1:35:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're going to do this.
• 1:35:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: That number's going to go up because I remember That's what year was it.
• 1:35:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was like we only have 12 million dollars.
• 1:35:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then we had 33 You know, as when it came time to start doing business.
• 1:35:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: I did see
• 1:35:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: that the cap, the salary cap is projected to go up to 305 million dollars this year.
• 1:35:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why he was.
• 1:35:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Do you think that went to this one mind?
• 1:35:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Do you know when I started this podcast, it was 105 million dollars?
• 1:35:43
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 1:35:43
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's what I'm saying to you.
• 1:35:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm not a player whenever we were younger, like getting like 500,000 dollars and thinking it was good.
• 1:35:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a two million dollar contract.
• 1:35:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Can they change life change?
• 1:35:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's crazy man.
• 1:35:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is, and I can really say this with truth.
• 1:35:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: In my heart, is it was either one or eight?
• 1:36:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was one or five, like it went from one or five to one, 12 or one or eight to one, 12.
• 1:36:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: From the first year we did this podcast in 2013 to 2014.
• 1:36:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: So in 12 years, the salary cap is tripled.
• 1:36:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, well professional athlete salaries are the only ones that keep up with inflation.
• 1:36:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the only salary you know who beats inflation even more.
• 1:36:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: The owners.
• 1:36:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: That just shows how one sort of a business it is because the players ain't even getting most of the money.
• 1:36:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean they're getting a good portion of it.
• 1:36:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: But those owners are getting over 50.
• 1:36:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Think of that.
• 1:36:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: the salary cap is based on the revenue revenue so that just means the NFL is just print money and be careful you price yourself out where we can't afford to go to games it's funny we talk about that with the NFL but like if you go to the NBA or the MLB it makes the NFL look silly
• 1:36:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it really does.
• 1:36:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of different circumstances, right?
• 1:37:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:37:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is that the one, the giant difference between those, is the size of teams?
• 1:37:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that, in the fact that the MLB doesn't have a salary cap.
• 1:37:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 1:37:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they also have guaranteed all but all of them have guaranteed contracts.
• 1:37:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: So the players have a lot more of the revenue sharing and baseball and yeah, that's true.
• 1:37:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, there's what 14 players, 15 players on the NBA team.
• 1:37:26
  [SPEAKER_06]: So I guess that doesn't make a lot of difference.
• 1:37:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then there's only there's really only like 20 on a down baseball team.
• 1:37:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's not as many as you think.
• 1:37:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 1:37:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's like they're like 25.
• 1:37:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the size of it.
• 1:37:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like,
• 1:37:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think the number of games is there of unions.
• 1:37:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:37:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: MLB has great unions.
• 1:37:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:37:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, really, the players make so much more of the revenue.
• 1:37:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:37:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think in the MLB, you know that if you play like three out or one inning in the MLB, like just one professional inning, I think you have health insurance for life, nice.
• 1:38:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's crazy, man.
• 1:38:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like the stats are nuts.
• 1:38:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: like they should just donate like as like fan appreciation week like they should just be like we're gonna let you play one ending for our team this year and give you health insurance.
• 1:38:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like it's as fan appreciation week free and health insurance for a life.
• 1:38:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: Let's tell you what the best position in sports is is a hockey they have the Emergency goalie emergency goalie.
• 1:38:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's the best position in the sport right there.
• 1:38:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a random fan That man fade away whatever you know for the canes that guy think you did it when you're for us All right a couple calls go tell us your fat your Super Bowl moment.
• 1:38:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I forgot about the variable one
• 1:38:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: When he was talking about Rable, and I was like, oh, the connection, you know, he's in this, and he caught the fuck, let's go to the ghost.
• 1:38:58
  [SPEAKER_07]: Hey, this is Patrick Pickle.
• 1:39:01
  [SPEAKER_07]: My mitts Super Bowl memory, the one that's just stand out there is how much we fought to the end of the Panthers fought to the end.
• 1:39:17
  [SPEAKER_07]: John Fox went for or forth down a lot instead of taking those at your points, you know, we made a touchdown, it really went for them, but we we made a touchdown and instead of taking for the extra point, Fox went for it, to those who have put it on us again if we just went for the extra points.
• 1:39:38
  [SPEAKER_07]: But he found them.
• 1:39:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: it's been hard to agree because like now if you hear Greg Olson when the greatest commentators like Greg Olson so good on the mic of the booth and the company as a opponent of to new NFL go for more than not this aggressiveness
• 1:39:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: And there is that like we were we've gone through the cycle of analytics is it the what's you don't hear that as much that analytics Tell us to do this.
• 1:40:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're just like hey, man We can try to get this is like is it really you change the game that much so how much become common since it was like trying to get the first down Use all four downs when you can
• 1:40:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I think there is a propote like a thing right now and then I felt people going is that while the stats say go for it over and over, you might not need to go for it over and over until you need to go for it.
• 1:40:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, see like three pre-fourth quarter maybe you shouldn't be in that mindset of One more point is so game-changing.
• 1:40:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, here's my thing and I know me and CK had a debate about this a few months ago with a Panthers game and it was Like I'm part of like if you know you're eventually gonna have to go for two Then the first opportunity you get go for two
• 1:40:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: And my mindset with that is if you do that then you know you have the rest of the game to make it up right if you say but to the end and you don't get that to the games over But if you have a quarter left and you're down 11 points and you score a touchdown and you kick it and you kick a field goal or kick an extra point instead going for two
• 1:41:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: then you know you have to get that too later.
• 1:41:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: Whereas if you go for it, even if you miss it, you have a whole quarter to try to make that up as opposed to the end of the game.
• 1:41:26
  [SPEAKER_06]: It means CK got too big debate about that a few months ago.
• 1:41:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: I would just rather know
• 1:41:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: going into the last seven minutes of the game.
• 1:41:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: I've got a score touchdown or as opposed to or or I can keep a field goal based on the two points as opposed to, I have a score touchdown.
• 1:41:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like I would rather know what I've got to do rather than
• 1:41:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: hope at the end.
• 1:41:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I get this type right now that is you're that's from a behind mentality.
• 1:41:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot more but there's a lot more time and a game like I was thinking about the same thing Greg very similar and it was I forget which or the playoff games it was and I thought
• 1:42:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I was like, man, they really got a, they got to try to get this.
• 1:42:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm saying, like, I can't remember.
• 1:42:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I was like, go for it.
• 1:42:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm fourth.
• 1:42:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Go for it.
• 1:42:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Forth.
• 1:42:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it was, um, this is going to make this, uh, a two score game.
• 1:42:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:42:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 1:42:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it was really, there was like two quarters left.
• 1:42:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, so it's like, it's like, yeah, it's a two score game, but there's going to be like seven more scores in this fucking game and this moment of tying it up versus not tying it up or taking a lead like I think sometimes what I'm just trying to say is I think that you should probably go for it if you're trying to kick a field goal that is low percentage.
• 1:42:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, if like if we're sitting here going man, we got a lot of time in this game and we're going to try to line up here and get three points and kick a 59 yard field goal that we might miss and give them good field position.
• 1:43:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's just rock and go for it.
• 1:43:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I do think is like if you there was a lot of time in that game.
• 1:43:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, is, uh, gosh, is holy crap.
• 1:43:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, what would play one more call, but it was that maybe John Fox felt like this takes for too long.
• 1:43:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like he didn't say, oh, we don't have any offense.
• 1:43:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Our offense is not doing anything.
• 1:43:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's get it right now.
• 1:43:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then the offense came to life in the second half.
• 1:43:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:43:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like you felt like you had to do something more than you had to do.
• 1:43:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, but you know, it is, I, I, I, I agree.
• 1:43:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you hear, well, yeah, well, I, I like it as in the background crap.
• 1:43:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: I heard something.
• 1:43:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't, it sounded like some white noise.
• 1:44:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I would get it like this.
• 1:44:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like, okay, just like, say the team your playing scores two field goals and you scored a touchdown.
• 1:44:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: So now you're up seven to six, okay?
• 1:44:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: And then you score one of the touchdown in my mind.
• 1:44:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's the time you go for two.
• 1:44:13
  [SPEAKER_06]: Because if you make it, then you're up nine.
• 1:44:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: If you miss it, you're up seven still, you know?
• 1:44:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: So there's no loss there, really.
• 1:44:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: You're still up a touchdown.
• 1:44:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: You're either up a touchdown or you're up a touchdown, or a touchdown two positions, you know?
• 1:44:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: So like in my mind, it's just always better to take the chance.
• 1:44:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: If there's plenty of game left rather than saving it to the very end, and just I don't know, but I'm not in the coach.
• 1:44:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're the numbers two, five, two, two, two, eight, fifty, ninety.
• 1:44:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we just listen to Panther Pickle, right?
• 1:44:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go.
• 1:44:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: We got a couple more calls and we might or may we may not even be given away this night.
• 1:44:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: If we don't hear of Super Bowl members, what's all this personal, this is my biggest football member.
• 1:44:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I remember we got a chance.
• 1:45:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Every game I wore, my dream, carry cones jersey, for every game, until the Super Bowl.
• 1:45:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: My mom gave us Superball jersey.
• 1:45:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's not good.
• 1:45:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to wear my, you know, carry cones.
• 1:45:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I couldn't find it.
• 1:45:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I ended up wearing this even day of jersey.
• 1:45:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we lost.
• 1:45:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: inside the season.
• 1:45:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like once the season started and by anything Panthers, all the way up to probably it's three.
• 1:45:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was where I don't want to jinx us.
• 1:45:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I felt like a jinx us by wearing that Steven Davis jersey and sickleball.
• 1:45:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: You did.
• 1:45:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's Kevin's fault.
• 1:45:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: We just solved it.
• 1:45:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's my sickleball.
• 1:45:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: Thanks.
• 1:45:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:45:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's guess fault.
• 1:45:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: We solved it.
• 1:45:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: All right, let's get to Anthony from show it.
• 1:46:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: yo yo yo what's up see three anything from Charlotte man hope y'all boys are having a good Tuesday man um Saltoni and Greg were on the panel tonight uh just wanted to call in i don't know if it's a little late but you know super bowl week um i'm gonna go ahead get my prediction right now i think personally i think this team is gonna be low score and i think this team is gonna be low score
• 1:46:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: the C.O.S.
• 1:46:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: offense, but the question is how effective can the Patriots be versus the C.O.S.
• 1:46:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: defense?
• 1:46:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
• 1:46:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's weird.
• 1:46:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: My heart tells me that the C.O.S are going to win, but for some reason that my gut tells me the Patriots are going to win.
• 1:46:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Give me the Patriots 21 to 17 to this one.
• 1:46:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was it.
• 1:46:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: That was it.
• 1:46:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was it.
• 1:46:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was it.
• 1:46:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Greg, we just made some great points like talking about Bryce Young.
• 1:47:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's essentially how majority of the family should feel at this point.
• 1:47:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Do I think that Bryce Young is going to, potentially get a nice five-year crazy max extension.
• 1:47:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: I really don't.
• 1:47:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Or do I think he's going to be some crazy good player?
• 1:47:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like Patrick Mahomes, no, he's not.
• 1:47:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because there's only like three of those guys in the league.
• 1:47:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I do think this guy can be in that jail and hurts here.
• 1:47:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think he already is with a guy that if you put the right pieces around him, he can perform at a high level, especially in these high-level games like the playoffs.
• 1:47:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, those are my thoughts on that.
• 1:47:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: But as a team and like, we got to get better this off season.
• 1:47:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: We can't be complacent.
• 1:47:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: The division is going to be better.
• 1:47:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: The same's have the easiest schedule on paper next year.
• 1:47:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot to be excited for there.
• 1:47:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think the bucks are on the climb, but the fountains are going to be better.
• 1:47:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: The fountains' coaching should be better.
• 1:48:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: And even though they have quarterback questions, I expect them to be better.
• 1:48:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: So overall, I think there's, we can't have complacency, man.
• 1:48:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: I've already brought up what I think of the major holes.
• 1:48:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think we need to go from bad, if we go from bad to average at those positions,
• 1:48:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: for the team overall, and sorry, I'm maybe breaking up here.
• 1:48:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's fine.
• 1:48:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think if we just go from bad to average at, linebacker, edge, maybe tie-in, I think those positions are going to be better.
• 1:48:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: And also, I do pray that can now just doesn't have a leash on Bryce Young next year.
• 1:48:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Those are my thoughts.
• 1:48:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry if it was choppy.
• 1:48:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: You couldn't get it all.
• 1:48:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not.
• 1:48:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's all right.
• 1:48:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Anthony from Charlotte, you motherfucking power.
• 1:48:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: Thanks, Anthony, for the call.
• 1:48:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, it's so funny.
• 1:48:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: Tony is like, you know, being Anthony, we talk off the podcast and in the fantasy league, and everything else.
• 1:49:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: And for years, ever since Bryce got drafted, Ben, him and I have been, you know, buttonheads and going back and forth about this Bryce Young Fang.
• 1:49:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: And
• 1:49:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: I just think it's so funny that there's so many different takes from him and I about where Bryce is, what he's going to be and everything else, we both come to the same conclusion because I can believe the group is in there and I'm glad that he gives me, it's just crazy how we both took such different paths to get there, you know, and we end up at the same point.
• 1:49:28
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• 1:49:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh... he mentioned the patriots were in the panther's huddle during the first happened two thousand three-seat uh... superbow panther's coaches change up the game plan for the second half team started going off and last week we talked about bill bella check being snubbed for the hall of fame which i think is a great travesty of i mean i think it's a kiss i just
• 1:50:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just, uh, it's insane.
• 1:50:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:50:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, but maybe the stains that come back to the legacies is the, ain't cheating any time.
• 1:50:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: The Panthers were involved in later.
• 1:50:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: What was, have we involved in some scandals?
• 1:50:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: in their history bounty gate with the Saints, right?
• 1:50:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Where they were paying players to try to hurt people, like given rewards to it, monetary rewards.
• 1:50:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: But the parents were caught filming.
• 1:50:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: like cheating throughout the season.
• 1:50:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think they posted somebody up in like a charlotte apartment complex or something like film and practices.
• 1:50:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I mean this is a stain on the legacy of or maybe is like you're like gosh the panzers are fighting everything.
• 1:51:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: My thing is man and I agree with what you're saying okay and I get that.
• 1:51:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: But here's my thing if you're going to hold back bill bill check from the hall
• 1:51:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: Don't you also have to hold back Tom Brady?
• 1:51:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: And a lot.
• 1:51:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: Didn't they both benefit from it just as much?
• 1:51:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 1:51:26
  [SPEAKER_06]: To play gates, by gate, everything.
• 1:51:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't like it.
• 1:51:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what it really was.
• 1:51:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think Greg, that people just don't like them.
• 1:51:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: No, I can't.
• 1:51:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you're right.
• 1:51:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: You might be right.
• 1:51:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's the reason.
• 1:51:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think if that's the reason you held him back, you've got to hold back Tom Bray to I know you probably have not seen this one, but there were real reason is like I am a bill belligerent fan or was Mount like in my knees because we're losing to him, but like I liked his gruffiness I liked his
• 1:51:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, no nonsense.
• 1:51:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's just these moments in my favor.
• 1:51:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: My favorite moments in press conference history was with all of these back in the day when the reporters would have to go put the recording devices.
• 1:52:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Remember they should put their little devices on They're podium and they would all put these little recorders and then go back and write these articles and it wasn't preserved on YouTube like it is now
• 1:52:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it just sits up there just pushes them all off the table.
• 1:52:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, he's like, he's like, just a dick.
• 1:52:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, to be a dick.
• 1:52:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I loved it.
• 1:52:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, so much.
• 1:52:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, he lost all that street cred for me.
• 1:52:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, when he was spotted at a cheerleading competition.
• 1:52:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: And now that you're like a, like, uh, like one of those cheerleading competitions you see in these movies on Netflix.
• 1:52:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 1:52:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he's back there.
• 1:52:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, man, this no nonsense growth dude is now a.
• 1:52:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: would have a sucker a sucker yeah I'm gonna share my superbow moment that I think of to 2003 2003 I was watching the Superbow wearing my Julius peppers Jersey that wasn't purchased I got before you ever played a snap for the Carolina Panthers because I was a Julius peppers fan because he's from Bailey North Carolina which is right down the road
• 1:53:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: from where I live at he went and played at Carolina and really to be honest is while he was most dominant football player at Carolina.
• 1:53:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean this guy was awesome at Carolina football.
• 1:53:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was great as a basketball player.
• 1:53:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was he could have gone pro basketball.
• 1:53:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was awesome and I loved him as a basketball player.
• 1:53:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was just a
• 1:53:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Prooser, just pull it down, rebound, dunk, I love to, I was just a joey's pepper's fan, and I was becoming a football fan, Greg, because I had just started getting into fantasy football.
• 1:53:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: This restaurant, I went to this fantasy, like the guys were like, hey, we're doing fantasy football.
• 1:54:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, let's go, I'm starting to watch football.
• 1:54:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: And this is Gregwin, fantasy football.
• 1:54:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: You was not online yet.
• 1:54:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you do a draft like a bar on paper.
• 1:54:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we went to this dude.
• 1:54:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: His name was Bruce King at the, something Bruce Bruce, something sounds.
• 1:54:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is what I was like, we cooked all day.
• 1:54:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're just grilling, we're drinking beer.
• 1:54:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: It took like 10 hours.
• 1:54:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I remember this guy Chris Rouse on Monday.
• 1:54:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: He worked at Marathon with us.
• 1:54:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he would every Monday get at the newspaper out and calculate.
• 1:54:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: All the for every team their fantasy football points like it was not digitized yet, right and he'd be like well you had seven catches for this and then touchdown And and like it was this was that year.
• 1:54:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm like fantasy football and I was getting into that and then I was like I was becoming NFL fan
• 1:55:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I was going to follow Julius Pep.
• 1:55:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was going to root for Julius Peppers as a player, but then when he went to the parent there's I was like, this is you know what this is my team.
• 1:55:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go.
• 1:55:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: The following year in the Super Bowl.
• 1:55:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: At this point, I was working I think back at Michael Angelo's pizza.
• 1:55:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I was hanging out with this guy, my buddy.
• 1:55:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: I haven't seen him in a long time.
• 1:55:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: I see his stuff on Facebook, his name's Matt Elam.
• 1:55:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was from Charlotte, I believe.
• 1:55:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he was living in this place.
• 1:55:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was Bradford Creek.
• 1:55:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was a golf course here in Greenville.
• 1:55:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a little outside of town.
• 1:55:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not a felt farther away than it does now.
• 1:55:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: His is two-player.
• 1:55:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I just remember this is that this
• 1:55:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: This game, this first half was like frustration, you know, like, uh, uh, this tension.
• 1:56:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: But why this memory comes to me is that there are these moments, they're rare in sports, where you are with people that are like-minded, all the same direction,
• 1:56:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: And like, I just remember at points jumping up and down and like hugging each other by Matt Eli like chest bumping and hugging each other and celebrating this to a level that was just basic emotion and fun.
• 1:56:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: So like it was like when you caught with that massive Muhammad cut down and that Steve Smith, it was this just exuberance where we were like, this is happening and we were it was so.
• 1:56:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: emotionally like it was just fun.
• 1:56:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's all I remember is just it was just so much pure like if you could put this in a pill
• 1:56:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: it would be the best drug ever that feeling yeah it was just clatter was so fun so fun so that is my super bowl memory to share thank you Matt Elam for helping that moment come true right there just pointed to ice in the super bowl but Carolina Panthers have not been the longest franchise in the history of football but we've had some moments though Greg
• 1:57:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 1:57:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I mean, if you really think about it, as far as long as we've been in the league, we've, if you look at just Super Bowl appearances, we're actually one of the most successful teams in the league.
• 1:57:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: We've been at Tusset Balls and what we came out in 96 for our first year.
• 1:57:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: So in 30 years, we've been to Tusset Balls and there's no team to have it.
• 1:57:43
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 1:57:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, that's what I mean.
• 1:57:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, that's what I mean.
• 1:57:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, okay, so it's, it's, it's, it's hard for me to pick a suitable moment and, and my thing is, it's like all, all, all things considered in all the suit balls like I said, my freshman year in college, my roommate was from New England, he was in New England fan, I was a Carolina fan.
• 1:58:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: So, and, and the suit ball was his birthday.
• 1:58:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: So New England won, he was in Charlotte, New England won against Carolina on his birthday.
• 1:58:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: So I had to feel good for him, but I'm not gonna lie like the last two Super Bowl's I've...
• 1:58:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: seen from Carolina.
• 1:58:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: I've drank so much of the beginning that I don't really remember the end.
• 1:58:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is also a bad part about a game that you really love so much.
• 1:58:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's the first I got a little taste of the sauce.
• 1:58:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: That can be a problem.
• 1:58:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like you just kind of lose control.
• 1:58:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like I don't drink like that anymore, but like I just remember like I remember watching both the first half supposed to bowl live.
• 1:58:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I don't really remember watching this second.
• 1:58:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
• 1:58:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: If you seriously would watch, remember we lost, you know?
• 1:58:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 1:58:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: Now it's kind of going back and watching it again.
• 1:58:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: I guess one play in six out for me that I'll always in my mind was the Deshawn Foster Touchdown in 2003, where he does that dive.
• 1:59:02
  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yes, for the touchdown, you know, he kind of does his hand like this and dodge over the end zone like an end.
• 1:59:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: And I remember at that point, I was like, we might, we might do this.
• 1:59:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: Like this might be a thing right here.
• 1:59:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Really iconic moments from that, like the X clown to the foster.
• 1:59:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: There were a lot of newspaper worthy headlines, like just these like snapshot moments.
• 1:59:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: So fun stuff right there.
• 1:59:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think I'm going to do this is what we had pickle.
• 1:59:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think pickle is it's either cav or pickle.
• 1:59:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: How about this is a new pit of a poll?
• 1:59:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: with the fence side.
• 1:59:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 1:59:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I would do.
• 1:59:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like this is probably Kev had the pickle had the good, the better history moment.
• 2:00:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: And let me see, you know, we do this real quick, or I'm not real quick, is nothing's real quick or see if I can get to the chat.
• 2:00:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Stick around guys real quick.
• 2:00:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is the final part.
• 2:00:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll talk.
• 2:00:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll give our superbowel projections.
• 2:00:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I some fools up and then get on out here right now is I'm going to put up a live poll as we'll give away.
• 2:00:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, not give away.
• 2:00:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Here we go.
• 2:00:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Give away.
• 2:00:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it will be pickle and history or
• 2:00:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: uh... kett white yeah kev and kevin college there you go kev and Collins eye uh... and do i i don't know how to do these options here most of what ended in just a moment when they stick around guys you guys vote who's gonna get uh... this piece of bank of america
• 2:01:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: history right here.
• 2:01:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know this is like what was was the stadium was the Panthers stadium.
• 2:01:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was Erickson Stadium in 2003.
• 2:01:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Back when Erickson was a big cell phone company.
• 2:01:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Then back of America 2015.
• 2:01:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right Greg the Seattle sea hogs are playing the Patriots here.
• 2:01:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: What do you want to talk about?
• 2:01:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like what do you think?
• 2:01:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Look the C-Hawks are a better team there for us.
• 2:01:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: This story is got to be about Sam Don't Arnold.
• 2:01:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, well look I'm actually in a greens with with Anthony on on this one like something about my my gut Tells or my head tells me to pick Seattle with my gut just wants to lean towards North New England
• 2:01:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: This kind of reminds me, honestly, of the first year, Brady wanted Super Bowl against the Rams against the team that everybody thought was just unbeatable and just gonna dominate the game and the Patriots came back and ended up winning that game, right?
• 2:02:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think that if I had to put money on it right now, simply for the sake that my Jewish Greek comes out a little bit right here, where I just want the money, the bigger payout, I think that I'm going to, I'm going to put money on the Patriots when in this game.
• 2:02:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, man.
• 2:02:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's the answer.
• 2:02:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: That must be the Greek in here.
• 2:02:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Nice to meet you.
• 2:02:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: I can say that I'm Jewish.
• 2:02:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Look at it, but yeah, it's not doing me.
• 2:02:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think this is a story of nobody believes in us versus the better team.
• 2:02:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: To do I think that there is something I don't I think if you just look at it on the face of it kind of like the Panthers host in the Rams is the Rams or Spices beat that tail against us their favorite ten-and-a-half points But there is something about like this moment.
• 2:02:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's an opportunity for Rable to get this team with this young quarterback and then to start to know buddy believes in us.
• 2:03:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: So let's go do this.
• 2:03:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah
• 2:03:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I can see that.
• 2:03:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I do.
• 2:03:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that the Seahawks are a notably better team in so many ways.
• 2:03:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, to me, I think is, I don't know who, I mean, I, I don't know who to root for.
• 2:03:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think I got a root for Sam Darnold.
• 2:03:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm just for a good game to be honest with you.
• 2:03:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: I just want to see, I just want to, I would love to see a high scoring game, or at least a competitive game.
• 2:03:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't want to see, like, uh, what was the Patriots Rams a few years ago, where it was like,
• 2:03:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: nine to three and the game was so boring like I just don't see our Super Bowl versus Denver.
• 2:03:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like I just want to see a good game with good plays.
• 2:03:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: I really don't care who wins.
• 2:03:43
  [SPEAKER_06]: I just want to see a competitive good game, you know.
• 2:03:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think I'm rooting for Sam Darnell because, you know, they have come back player the year.
• 2:03:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is come back career of a century.
• 2:03:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, from seeing goes from being a number one pick to a guy who journey men discarded by the Carolina Panthers, a backup for the San Francisco 49ers to the Minnesota Vikings where he wins 12 games.
• 2:04:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 2:04:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, 14 games.
• 2:04:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they don't believe enough in him to Seattle to become the first quarterback in history to win 12 plus games.
• 2:04:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: with consecutive years on two different teams.
• 2:04:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, he's one more games in the last two years than any other quarterback.
• 2:04:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's a story that is, it's kind of a, it's like a reclamation project was not kind of.
• 2:04:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: How about this is if Sam Donald wins this Super Bowl, which I mean, win in a Super Bowl, probably.
• 2:04:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's Sam Donald, what's the better story of comeback?
• 2:04:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Alex Smith or Sam Donald?
• 2:04:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because remember, Alex Smith was a number one pick.
• 2:04:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 2:04:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: And obscurity then gets to the Patriots.
• 2:05:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, not the Patriots to the Kansas U.D.
• 2:05:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: cheese, make some playoffs.
• 2:05:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Then even get to the red skins or commanders.
• 2:05:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know where they were at that point.
• 2:05:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like Alex Smith went from a, a bus story to a, we adhering.
• 2:05:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Sam Donald is becoming an endearing story.
• 2:05:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think Sam Donald is the greater comeback story.
• 2:05:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: of him and him and spin.
• 2:05:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think so too.
• 2:05:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, when it comes to success, all right, Greg, that is ultimately, I think the C I don't see what I was going to win, I do.
• 2:05:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's like, I would not, I don't think it's absurd to see when everybody is picking one thing, we know the NFL goes another way sometimes.
• 2:05:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think the Seahawks win too, but I'm still putting money on the Patriots, and if the Patriots win, it would be crazy to see them have a comeback win and a game winning field goal and Drake May starting this career off just like Tom Brady did.
• 2:06:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: beading the team that's unbeatable with a game winning field goal.
• 2:06:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if the kicker's name is for For New England, but maybe they're restarting this whole franchise thing over again down here.
• 2:06:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think over again.
• 2:06:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: So you know, do you any chance having a nice up pick?
• 2:06:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, can you think of one if I play the intro and I tell you mine?
• 2:06:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: If not, it's okay.
• 2:06:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: How about this?
• 2:06:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's the longest run in segment on the longest run in Panthers podcast and we're gonna out this year with the last segment.
• 2:06:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is our ice-up pick our chance to tell someone to get it together.
• 2:06:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's our homage to Steve Smith where we tell someone to ice up toughen up to get it together.
• 2:06:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody is fair game.
• 2:06:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't like it.
• 2:06:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: This damn comment.
• 2:07:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, now they're going to mean their comment as a problem.
• 2:07:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: I highlighted it and I didn't take it down.
• 2:07:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: There we go.
• 2:07:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's grow back to get it.
• 2:07:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we tell someone to ice up toughen up to get it together.
• 2:07:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Everyone's fair
• 2:07:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if anything is true and on the internet anymore.
• 2:07:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't have the time to fact check everything.
• 2:07:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I would just preface.
• 2:07:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if this is absolutely true.
• 2:07:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: I would not, it wouldn't surprise me though.
• 2:07:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, so I'm gonna play the whole, I don't want to do it without all I can do is this.
• 2:07:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not gonna look as cool.
• 2:07:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: That is a little cool.
• 2:07:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: This is the tweet that I just saw.
• 2:07:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: It says.
• 2:07:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: This streamer accidentally showed the private key to his crypto wallet live on stream within second someone brand hundred thousand dollars from his account.
• 2:08:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like, that sucks, but you're trying to make a little money streaming.
• 2:08:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 2:08:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: And someone rated you be careful.
• 2:08:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: The internet, they're all looking.
• 2:08:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I'm looking great.
• 2:08:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you think so.
• 2:08:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I said don't know that stream game, and I've been in it for a minute ain't as easy as y'all think folks now Yeah, I guess I can go for low hanging fruit here and I just I just thought about it I was thinking about this.
• 2:08:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: It is funny.
• 2:08:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's in the ice up pick.
• 2:08:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm just gonna ice up the Minnesota in general just
• 2:08:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't even say a whole lot about it.
• 2:08:39
  [SPEAKER_06]: Just just Minnesota ice up instead of ice out.
• 2:08:43
  [SPEAKER_06]: I guess just ice up.
• 2:08:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: So do you hear that Donald is the Marbo man's that Marbo man is Sam Donald's grandfather, by the way.
• 2:08:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: No, I didn't hear that's correct.
• 2:08:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's the real Marbo man.
• 2:08:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's pretty cool.
• 2:08:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 2:08:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
• 2:08:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: The Super Bowls around the corner will be back here.
• 2:09:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: A Tuesday night, guys.
• 2:09:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Greg, wonderful hanging out with you.
• 2:09:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: and i know you're busy with the house with the renovations and the moving and all of that i'm still moving eight months later it sucks yeah uh good luck to all of that everybody thank you for the chat oh wait i didn't even look at we got look at the pole oh yeah we got another two yeah where is this pole
• 2:09:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Kav wins the poll.
• 2:09:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Kav wins 60 percent.
• 2:09:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: The fans have chosen Kav and the carried Collins.
• 2:09:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know what?
• 2:09:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm surprised because Kav lost the fam Super Bowl for us that they've heard of for him.
• 2:09:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
• 2:09:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, that's the C3 Panthers podcast.
• 2:09:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: My name's Tony Dunn.
• 2:09:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's Greg CK's playing golf in the snow.
• 2:09:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it mightle be trying to.
• 2:09:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: I guess it's a it's a no no no.
• 2:09:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll tell you that.
• 2:09:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: And his melting there.
• 2:09:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's get out of here.
• 2:09:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks guys.
• 2:09:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll be back Tuesday