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Episode 278: The Seer (SG-A 4.08) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Get into Gate episode two hundred and seventy eight. I
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  Speaker 1: love it when they rhyme Mitch and Maddie. Here, we
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  Speaker 1: need to talk some more Atlantis.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't done three or oh oh, that was very smooth.
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  Speaker 2: Just there you're doing that whole thing with my microphone off,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, God, have I done three already?
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  Speaker 1: You're good mate? Look at you. We work.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: It's like I do this for a living. Not well,
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  Speaker 1: might I add, not well, but I do do it.
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  Speaker 1: We are here to talk about season number four, episode
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  Speaker 1: number eight of Stargate at and to the seer Seer,
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  Speaker 1: I think the first time I ever come across that word.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ever read the books animals? You're aware of animals.
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  Speaker 1: I'm aware of the TV show.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that I ever read the book.
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  Speaker 1: That's okay. I'm a watcher. You are a watching me.
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  Speaker 1: You know the book changed some of the law, and
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  Speaker 1: you know it was made on a shoestring budget, and
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  Speaker 1: you were dealing with a concept where humans physically transform
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  Speaker 1: into animals. So like you know in the books, let's
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  Speaker 1: say it takes two minutes to properly morph into into
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  Speaker 1: animal or reason the show, they did it in about
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  Speaker 1: two and a half seconds. Yeah, and I think it's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: it's a two and a half seconds, so the bad
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  Speaker 1: CGI doesn't stand out for that long, you know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and we've got to acquire the DNA first. Yes, so
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  Speaker 1: we're going to deal with real world animals, and then
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  Speaker 1: we're going to have our jackets transform into like a
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  Speaker 1: tiger coat, which again also didn't work in the books.
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  Speaker 1: But I move on, and I do wait.
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  Speaker 2: For I don't want a bunch of naked kids running around.
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  Speaker 1: No, they okay, even more confusing a so I go
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  Speaker 1: from an early tangent. They were allowed like leotards and
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  Speaker 1: like skin tight outfits that works, so they could get
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  Speaker 1: around in like you know, gymnastics were almost and that
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  Speaker 1: would successfully morph into a bird or whatever. But realistically
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  Speaker 1: they should have been nude, which which Ashmore was in
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  Speaker 1: that show. Do you remember the other one, Sean or Aaron?
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  Speaker 1: I want to say Aaron. Okay, no, that might be
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  Speaker 1: because I believe research.
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  Speaker 2: I believe friend of the show, Mike, my friend Mike.
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  Speaker 2: He he is a big fan wink wink of Sewan
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  Speaker 2: Ashmore and to the point where I think, you know,
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  Speaker 2: people used to think he looked like him as well,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah, I think he would very much enjoy Sewn
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  Speaker 2: Ashmore in a in a leotard.
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  Speaker 1: It was Sewn Ashmore. They I mean, they did use
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  Speaker 1: Jake ash Moore a one stage. There is a there
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  Speaker 1: is a doubling situation, so I knew that they were
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  Speaker 1: both in there. But Aaron, what I say, j Jake
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  Speaker 1: is the character, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think.
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  Speaker 2: I saw somewhere where they said Sean Ashmore sci fi
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  Speaker 2: Aaron Ashmore like fantasy.
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  Speaker 1: Superhero or something.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I guess he was because Sean was Iceman, but
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  Speaker 2: then like Aaron was Olsen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, although I did see something on Michael Rosenbaum's podcast
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  Speaker 1: recently he had well they were both on the show, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but he had Aaron ashe and they were talking about
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  Speaker 1: the fact that did he get wiped out at some
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  Speaker 1: point and it was basically like, oh, you were kind
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  Speaker 1: of Jimmy Olsen but not really, like you didn't get
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  Speaker 1: to do all the cool Jimmy Olsen things, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, it was something very ridicular.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but also Sean was on in a previous seasons
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  Speaker 2: like the bad Guy of the Week, so I think
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  Speaker 2: I met him say, that's why he didn't think you'd
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  Speaker 2: get casts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well we got one actor that's certainly reprising a
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  Speaker 1: role and a secondary role within Atlantis. They played multiple roles,
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about that when we talk
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  Speaker 1: about the seer, which, yeah, like I said that there
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  Speaker 1: was there's like a race of characters in that Animal's thing,
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  Speaker 1: and they referred to someone as a I guess as
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  Speaker 1: a seer. Yeah, they saw things. They were a se
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  Speaker 1: because they were old wise, you know, you know, veterans,
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  Speaker 1: the elderly of a particular race. But I read it
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  Speaker 1: as seer like like chandelier, Like, well, yeah, they're like
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  Speaker 1: you're going to see a piece of state scar. Yeah. Almost,
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  Speaker 1: That's how it sounded as I read it, because I've
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  Speaker 1: never heard of the terms the see earth yea. And
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  Speaker 1: also it just looks weird. It's just an R opposed
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  Speaker 1: to an er on the end of You're a Dreamer. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: this would be c if it was her with three e's. Again, look,
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  Speaker 1: it would look weird. So we'll see dash ear. I
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  Speaker 1: can understand what I think.
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  Speaker 2: My first introduction to it was charmed in like season
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  Speaker 2: four with Julia McMahon, and he was like the big
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  Speaker 2: bad and he had a seer and she could like
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  Speaker 2: she would see the future. She had premonitions and stuff
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  Speaker 2: like that, and she could see the future.
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  Speaker 1: Do you mc mart a bad guy? You say? Interesting?
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  Speaker 1: And then we could pull that off. Balthas are the demon.
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  Speaker 1: I'm joking, he like, I feel like he always plays
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  Speaker 1: bad guys. He's just got that look right.
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  Speaker 2: What was the other show we did, n Nip Tuck?
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  Speaker 2: I think he wasn't a great person in that either.
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  Speaker 1: And of course famously I mean a great doctor Durman
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  Speaker 1: and otherwise excellent also fantastic four to two movie franchise.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be interested to see how that that comment ages
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  Speaker 2: in the next what six months?
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, will he be the definitive doctor to do there?
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  Speaker 1: As better than that fan forcetic crap that that slot.
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  Speaker 1: They've all had their all their issues, haven't they. We
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  Speaker 1: shall see. Okay, got to say that correctly. Okay, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: we shall see, Thank you. Good. The Seer Taylor seeks
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  Speaker 1: help from a seer in her search for her lost people,
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  Speaker 1: as the Wraith offer their help in stopping replicators from
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  Speaker 1: destroying Cubans throughout the galaxy.
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  Speaker 2: The irony of this episode that he could see the
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  Speaker 2: future and im.
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  Speaker 1: This episode what It's funny. It's almost like the people
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  Speaker 1: writing that little synopsis forgot that the wraiths were in there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: as well two bouts of like wraith ships that we
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  Speaker 1: get old Mates still yet without a name, without a fall.
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  Speaker 2: That never get Yeah, he's definitely don't don't worry, don't
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  Speaker 2: get hung up on that.
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  Speaker 1: He's not going to get a name. Well, but but
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  Speaker 1: he's back with old mate playing him. Its crystal idol hauling, yes, houling, yes,
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  Speaker 1: hauling with the one I was struggling with. Yeah, so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the irony. I was surprised that, oh, sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Come on mate, come on, we're doing a thing here,
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  Speaker 2: We're doing a thing. Don't maybe cut audio for nothing.
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  Speaker 4: A great guy love match. Okay, what are you saying?
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  Speaker 1: You just so happened to play that one? Okay, I'm
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  Speaker 1: doing here little fingers over there. Yeah. I was surprised
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  Speaker 1: that it had all the makings of being a story
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  Speaker 1: of the week Old School SG one star where they
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  Speaker 1: go somewhere and then there's something fascinating about that world
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  Speaker 1: and they kind of get embroiled because of said thing
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  Speaker 1: and this one being a seer, they show up someone
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  Speaker 1: who's got some some premonition skills, and that that would
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  Speaker 1: somehow work against the Maybe this guy has known they
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  Speaker 1: were coming, he's been using that as some kind of
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  Speaker 1: you know, he's been plotting. Maybe he has interest in Atlantis,
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  Speaker 1: whatever it might be. It just felt maybe because we
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  Speaker 1: were back on a you know, otherwise forests, you know,
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  Speaker 1: outdoors ey typing, rather than a real sci fi heavy
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  Speaker 1: advanced civilization alien group, that it surprised me that it
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  Speaker 1: took a quick turn. And I guess more so it
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  Speaker 1: would have been more so if I hadn't have seen
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  Speaker 1: the previously on, Like the previous one really said, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: these three absolutely unrelated things, they are going to be
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  Speaker 1: told together in a story. So yeah, in saying that,
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  Speaker 1: I think once the story began, I just paid attention
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  Speaker 1: to that kind of forgot about the previously on, And
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  Speaker 1: so I was kind of surprised when all of a
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  Speaker 1: sudden it had this pivots probably too strong a word,
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  Speaker 1: but still pivot towards being Oh, this has actually got
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  Speaker 1: to do with the wraith. Oh, this has actually got
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  Speaker 1: to do with the replicators. Oh, it's also got to
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  Speaker 1: do with that wraith that John had a little packed
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  Speaker 1: with for one episode, and that was last season, and
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  Speaker 1: Here we Go was sort of picking up on all
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  Speaker 1: of those threads, and it's almost like the sea became
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  Speaker 1: redundant within his own story that was named after him.
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  Speaker 1: Like if he hadn't had a they said, like a cancer, right,
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  Speaker 1: if he didn't have that, there would be no reason
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  Speaker 1: for him to be in this In the rest of
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  Speaker 1: this episode written something.
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  Speaker 2: I still maintained it in it. In the same way
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  Speaker 2: this universe has exploding tumors. I reckon, this tumor is
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  Speaker 2: what gave him his powers. I reckon, that's what it was.
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't just born with it, like they was saying,
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  Speaker 1: he's one in a million or probably more.
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  Speaker 2: Mate, consider yourself lucky that when I watched this episode,
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  Speaker 2: I was so tired because there was still that that
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  Speaker 2: two percent in me that wanted to make a super
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  Speaker 2: cut to Lady Gargars born this way when they said
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  Speaker 2: that line about.
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  Speaker 1: Him being born this way. I mean, I can play
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  Speaker 1: it out, pause up.
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  Speaker 2: And interestingly that you sort of picked up on that
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  Speaker 2: because I guess, out of the two of us, I'm
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  Speaker 2: the seer and that I kind of know the future
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  Speaker 2: of what's happening.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not spoil anything for me, you know exactly
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  Speaker 1: what's coming.
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  Speaker 2: Well, not not exactly, because I can really forgot about
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  Speaker 2: this episode, but it might have been in the auto
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  Speaker 2: commentary for this episode or maybe next weeks that I
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  Speaker 2: may have already seen. They did actually reference because Joe
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  Speaker 2: and Paul took over as showrunners and they had a
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  Speaker 2: very specific idea for this season in that it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: going to be a lot of standalone episodes. It was
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  Speaker 2: going to be an arc and things were going to build,
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  Speaker 2: not to be confused with last season's horrible episode. The arc.
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  Speaker 1: It was going to build.
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  Speaker 2: So every episode this season they wanted it to have
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  Speaker 2: just a little a little sprinkle or something to them
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  Speaker 2: that would eventually culminate in something else. So everything in
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  Speaker 2: every episode has some kind of illusion or prelude or
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  Speaker 2: payoff in a in a later episode. Obviously, for this one,
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  Speaker 2: the one thing that we never got resolution to is
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  Speaker 2: we still never all of his premonitions came true, except
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  Speaker 2: for the one that he saw of Atlantis being destroyed.
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  Speaker 2: So that's still the hanging, you know, sort of Damicle's
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  Speaker 2: kind of thing that sort of we may or may
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  Speaker 2: not get a payoff on in some other episode.
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of which movie is now that
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  Speaker 1: reminds me that where they well, I guess it was
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  Speaker 1: kind of the did you ever see Minority Report? Tom Cruise,
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  Speaker 1: Steven Spielberg.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think all in one sitting. I think I've
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  Speaker 2: seen chunks of it, but I don't know that I've
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  Speaker 2: ever sat down and watched it from beginning to end.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, let's carve out another movie night that we've
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  Speaker 1: got to be, like movie not number thirty seven, that
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  Speaker 1: we've got to have which can definitely watch that.
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  Speaker 2: I've been waiting three years for you to let ye
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  Speaker 2: James Bond Field, Yeah, sure, yes, that's just if anyone
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  Speaker 2: who's listening. Yes, that's the thing is, Mitch, I've never
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: seen a James Bond film except for the one that
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: you miss because in Royal right, he wants me to
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: watch him in a very specific order, but I'm not
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: allowed to watch them on my own.
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: I have to watch them with them so that he
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  Speaker 1: can watch me watch them.
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: At least we did Casino Royale, and then he moved
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: and had his fourth child, and he's got the point
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  Speaker 2: now where he's like, oh, we should probably go back
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  Speaker 2: to the start and start again.
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: Well, ye're going to the start, but that's not the start, bro.
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: I want you to go. You sort of like with
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: what your appetite. If there was an appetit to wet
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: with James Bond, and I'd argue there wouldn't be, and
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: there wasn't. But it's like, yeah, good, we're giving you
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: a taste of the modern I think one idea I
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: had was to watch the Daniel Craig ones. This is
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: when we I was gonna say when we had this idea.
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  Speaker 1: I think initially when this idea came about was before
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: no time that Eye came out, which was December twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty one, but then we really didn't think about it
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  Speaker 1: for probably another twelve months. My initial idea was to
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  Speaker 1: watch the old ones, sorry, watch the new ones, then
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  Speaker 1: go back watch them from the beginning of Connery from
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  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two all the way through to the end
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  Speaker 1: of Pierce Brozen, and then maybe rewatched Daniel Craig one.
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  Speaker 1: You know me, whether you watch them with a different
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: eye now that you can appreciate how it was different,
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: but also how they referenced the old.
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: Stime because you know me because in the same way
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  Speaker 2: Laris got you in a couple of weeks ago. You
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  Speaker 2: knew that, Okay, Daniel Craig in little blue trunks coming
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: out of the ocean. That's how we're going to get
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: high pitched. I think you got everybody that and the
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: what is it, the the knotted rope and the chair.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for different reasons though, yeah, absolutely, yeah. We
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  Speaker 1: all know where we were when we saw that for
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  Speaker 1: the first time. Oh yeah, you're on my couch, which
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  Speaker 1: is very strange. But there was no cushion, which is
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  Speaker 1: really weird.
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  Speaker 2: I was getting really really concerned, but I think especially
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  Speaker 2: just had a tire knots in the curtains.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, what's going on here. There's something in
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  Speaker 1: Minority Report where there is a premonition and then there
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  Speaker 1: is like falsified premonitions in a way, and that probably
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  Speaker 1: doesn't make sense without context, but I think that's what
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  Speaker 1: it was reminding of you just saying because I watched
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  Speaker 1: this episode, I'm like, oh, they averted it, which they
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  Speaker 1: do kind of hint at going it's not those saying
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: oh the future is, you know, fluid and ever changing,
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  Speaker 1: but it's like, what was the I don't remember the
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  Speaker 1: specific line but it was kind of like, it is
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  Speaker 1: the future is formed. It's like, bro, I got you,
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  Speaker 1: I got you. Thanks buddy, you're telling me.
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  Speaker 4: That the future is predetermined, But I have always believed
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  Speaker 4: that the future is what you make it. Perhaps both
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  Speaker 4: are true. Perhaps the future is predetermined by the character
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  Speaker 4: of those who's shape it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's it is a great line. Does sort
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  Speaker 1: of merge both of those worlds, because when he first
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  Speaker 1: said that, like, oh, I think both are true, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, they can't. They contradict each other. You can't
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  Speaker 1: say that it's completely open, but it's also absolutely planned
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  Speaker 1: and predetermined. But when you get well, okay, it does
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  Speaker 1: represent both, which makes it a cop out. But I
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  Speaker 1: do like the way that line sounds. Yeah it is
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  Speaker 1: it is predetermined by those that are making it. It's like, yeah, yes,
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  Speaker 1: you are right.
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  Speaker 2: Because we've kind of had this already in SG one,
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  Speaker 2: when Jonas had the ability to see the few he
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  Speaker 2: got those little future flashes, and I think his future
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: flashes were tumor as well.
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  Speaker 1: Weren't they did? He have nothing question mark?
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  Speaker 2: And I think a lot of the premise of that
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: episode is what if what we're doing is the cause
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  Speaker 2: of it like the causality loop predestination paradox kind of situation.
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  Speaker 2: And I think Carter does hint at that at a
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  Speaker 2: certain point and she said, you know, I think her
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  Speaker 2: and John had the conversation where She's like, I just
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  Speaker 2: have to make decisions as if he's not here, because
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  Speaker 2: then I'm going to second guess what I'm doing.
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  Speaker 1: And that's a.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty solid sort of sci fi trope at this point
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  Speaker 2: that of everybody does. But yeah, the only thing and
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  Speaker 2: obviously because I know the future, there was the line
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  Speaker 2: where you know, I think Carter it was was talking
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  Speaker 2: to the sea and he and she says, have any
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  Speaker 2: of your visions never come to pass? And he says no.
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  Speaker 2: The only difference is they have context. By the time
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  Speaker 2: that comes to pass, they have context. Like obviously when
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  Speaker 2: he saw the ambush with the Wraith, he didn't see
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  Speaker 2: the context of it and didn't see that we had
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  Speaker 2: the jumpers and all that kind of stuff. And I
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  Speaker 2: think John even said, well, we were going to do
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  Speaker 2: that anyway, like we knew it was a trap. We
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: were of course going to use our magic invisible jumpers
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  Speaker 2: to give us that.
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  Speaker 1: I like that those the shields or the cloak also
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  Speaker 1: manages to hide wind.
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  Speaker 2: And sound and sound Star Trek cloaks don't even do that.
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: I don't mind the idea of sound for some reason.
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  Speaker 1: I think I've been okay with that because we've clearly
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  Speaker 1: seen that in the past. But there was such an
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  Speaker 1: obvious change. They were out there, it was dead still,
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  Speaker 1: and then he's you're supposed to come alone? Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: and then the jumpers revealed themselves, and then it goes
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  Speaker 1: back to unnamed Wraith with the four letter name and
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  Speaker 1: it just and his long wraith hair is Yeah, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: where did that wind come from?
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  Speaker 5: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: From the engines that were previously cloaked that.
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  Speaker 2: It turns out the cloak shield is kind of like
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  Speaker 2: it's like a hot box. It's it's like when someone
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: wants to unlive themselves and they get the tailpipe from
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: the car and put it into their own thing. They're
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  Speaker 2: just they're just hot boxing themselves, breathing their own air
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: until the shields go down.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: And then all the exhausts all of a sudden. Yeah, yeah,
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: you were.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: You were making some movie references before.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: That doesn't sound like me, mate.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: You never know, especially not James Bond or animals. You've
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: never done that before.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Lord of the Rings.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well funny you say that. Did you recognize the
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: seer Davos? Did he sound familiar to you? Did he
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: look for you at all?
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Because the first shot we get of him is quite wide,
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: and I was watching it on my laptop screen so
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: a little bit smaller than the TV, and my eyes
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: are a bit funny at the moment.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: And I was done, all right, everybody. You know he's
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: got a pretty bit. He's got two very large televisions.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: It's not curved anymore.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: You know, his head to make some cutbacks so he
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: doesn't have the large curved TV anymore.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Not all were cracked up to be. I could see
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: things better when I was doing dishes at the kitchen
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: when I was side on now not so much.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: You pay for a cleaner, so you don't need to
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Occasionally. Context. Where's the buttonsm getting roasted? Yeah?
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: Context matters for that comment, christ I.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Don't know the context helped. So relatable, that's what content
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: hashtag relatable. My god, take a breather. And so I
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: didn't see his face, but I'm hearing his voice and
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: I thought, I reckon this, this will be some kind
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: of stunt cast a little bit, Yeah, this will be
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: someone that I recognize, and then he pops up and
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: I didn't recognize him. And the more I watched it,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: I was like, how did we not get someone like
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: you F grade famous to play this role? Because he's
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: got a great voice. Yes, is this somebody? And do
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: I not know? But I couldn't pick anything. He does
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of voice work.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Something that I think Brendan probably would have picked up
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: straight away is he plays Alfred in the Arkham Knight
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: game series Back Arkham Knight. He's also done voices in
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Mass Effect two. He was physically in Girl with the
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Dragon Tattoo, Titanic Eragon. He also voices Ian Fleming in
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: the Bond Radio plays on the BBC, and I think
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: he directs them as well. And he was the voice
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: of Gandalf in Lord of the Rings Conquest.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Which I'm imagining is a video game. So I wouldn't
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: have played that. Yes, okay, I thought you were going
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: to say that he was a particular character in the
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: live action stuff, and I would have been like, how
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: did I not see that?
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: I just thought that was some great overlap that he was.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: He does a lot of bond stuff and a Lord
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: of the Ring stuff.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: So he's ticking a lot of boxes for me. But
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: I've not seen any of it.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: I guess because a lot it's video game content. It's
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: not it's not quite up here. I've said content twice.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: I know you hate that word, so just don't follow
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: it up with creator. Only CECS a chip mate and
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: superior to Dorito's. I'll give you that.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: No, we've had this discussion we have does mean you
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: won the I've tested it.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: I I market tested it with people in this very
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: bi went in thinking CC's were better. You tested it
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: and came out that ccs were better.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, I tested people around this building and CCS
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: came out superior.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Well, I think we've talked about us doing that, so
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe an extracord.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: When when court chips aren't six dollars a bag, we
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: will absolutely do that.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Come on, manufacturers, or probably more so supermarkets, get your
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: hand off it. Yeah, okay, a.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Block of cabrig chocol for eight dollars, get absolutely And
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: then they trying to two for ten.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: No, there should be no more than three dollars the
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: big things. Yeah, take I'd take two for ten of those. Absolutely,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: we don't have to go back too far when they
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: were five dollars and that did seem like a lot.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Now I don't pay for I don't pay for anything
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: over three dollars. You count by much, then well, yeah,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: three fifty for one of those you know, rectangular.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Now unless it's three dollars round up, not even going
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: anywhere near.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I'll find the ones that are reduced to clear. I
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: respect that, yes, yeah.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Or what I'll do is to get around that is,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: I'll wait until like all the individual bars are like
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: a dollar, and then I'll just go on by half
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: a dozen of those of different flavors.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're probably paying more per one hundred grams. It
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter absolutely, But the principle, it's just me serving size,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: mate serving size. Yeah. It's funny when they do have
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: those sort of philosophical type discussions because I love I
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: love thinking about that sort of thing and whether things
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: are predetermined, whether it is all just a chaotic mess
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: that cannot be planned, which is really realistically it's what
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: it is. I just remember having these common stations with
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: a classmate of mine, senior and fast, smarter than I was,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: and we got she's brilliant, and I think I just
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: liked messing with her, maybe the perception of everything that
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: she had sort of locked herself away with you know that,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: you know everything is unplanned and blah, And I'm set
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: in that now I can approach the rest of my
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: life and me probably coming in from as a plan Mitchell, Well,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: God has a plan for us.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: All.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: That's the thing. I wonder whether she was religious or not.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I can't, I can't remember, but I remember saying to her,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: probably off the back of watching some type of stype
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: TI movie, television show or something sing an episode like this,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: even though they don't really hammer it as much in this,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: but certainly this sort of context, this sort of concept,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: And I said to her, Well, you say that it's unplanned,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: how can you guarantee she's liked?
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: You know, for example, if I get to a fork
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: in the road, I have a choice whether I go
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: right or I go left. And I said, sure, but
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: who's to say that you what do you choose right?
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Might choose right? Who's to say you weren't always going
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: to choose right? But then it takes choice out of it,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: and it takes free will out of it. And if
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: that's the case, then why we even hear? Like, what's
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: the point If if this is somebody else's plan, or
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: if this is the universe as an idea, as a
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: giant body, if it is all determined for us, then
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: why should we be here? Why would I want to
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: exist in that? I'm like, hey, you just kind of
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: along for the ride. It's fine, just play dumb. You're
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: along for the ride and just enjoy it. Once you
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: forget about having this sort of conversation and discussing this
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: sort of concept, you're fine. Yeah, And I love living
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: like that going. I don't know that I'm making any choice,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: but I like the ride that I'm on, And then
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: since then, I probably I love chaos, and I love
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: the idea that everything happens because of something. You know,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: it is the consequence because of an action that you
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: that you have made. But at the same time, I
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: don't mind that I've flipped because who I don't know. Yeah,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: it allows us to play with great ideas like this,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: where someone can see shit like this beyond even their
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: own planet.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Perhaps well, because we have the ability it could just
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: in the same way, like you know, we see a
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: certain visual spectrum other animals see a different visual spectrum. Yeah,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: you know, so we don't perceive everything in the universe.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: But also we have a degree of being able to
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: tell the future. If I take this penan's in my
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: hand and throw it over at that wall, I can
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: predict with fair accuracy what's going to happen. So what's
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: to say that there isn't something out there that more
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: advanced than us that can predict the future. And it
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: just happens to be a tumor in this guy's head,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: you know, it can be those things. So yeah, it's
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: a really interesting idea of, yeah, what you can predict
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: versus what is just sort of the chaos. So I
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: did like the way they kind of rode both lines
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: with that, and it's still kind of stuck fairly well
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: to Carter's character of being, you know, quite a scientific person,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: except for that weird one episode where she was dying
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: and thought she believed in God or whatever, which ironically
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: I think was written by the same right, I think
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: there been an Alan Mcolor episode.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I did like the back and forward with that.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: It was quite interest I like the philosophical debates because
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: there's no right or wrong answer really it's just the
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: thought exercise is what I enjoyed the most, and just
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: broadening your horizons and going and opening something going, oh,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: that's an.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Interesting way to view that, that kind of thing. So
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Shaman him like lean into it more. And I know
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: it was the through line of the episode, but once
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: he sort of said, oh, this is what's going to happen,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: then it was all about talking to unnamed Wraith and
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: him saying they're coming and if these other people come
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: there to gain and destroy or if we don't do
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: this and the replicators are going to come and kill you,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: And it was a matter of like, well he said that,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: is it true or is it not. It wasn't continuously
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: going back to him and delving more into him. It
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, he's dying off to the side. Let's
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: forget about him. So I feel like they sort of
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: teased this with what they could have done, and they
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: just ran with what they had rather than maybe expand
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: on it a little bit, which is a shame. I mean,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: it was still still fun enough episode, which we got
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: to like four minutes before the end of the episode,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: and I think the other Wraith ship was just about
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: to show up, and I had this mad panic because
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: it's just about me coming into the studio and I'm thinking,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: hang on, was I supposed to watch two? Is this
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: a double part of going to come in and go on?
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: So it was the unofficial part one and part two.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: They've got two separate names, and I was like, shit,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: how could this possibly wrap up right now? Yeah, we've
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: got three and a half minutes ago and we're getting
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: to teasing what the climax of this episode is going
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: to be. But then it did all wrap up quick
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: and it didn't feel rushed. It felt like the natural
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: base on what they'd already told us that we're all
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: in these different factions as the Wraith, we're all fighting
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: each other because you know, we're all off, we're not
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: under one rule or whatever. And they come across some
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: other random shit hovering over a I think I said
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: shit over a ship hovering over a The Hives do
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: kind of look like a big purples, a little bit
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: an uninhabited planet. What are you doing here? Fire on
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: each other and kill each other? So it did pay
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: off what that had been teased earlier, but it just
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: felt like it was coming coming very late. But that's
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: what she said. Thank you very much. Just I don't
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: know if you've seen it does the rounds every couple
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: of months. I feel a real TikTok wherever you might
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: find it, which dives into the is it predetermined or
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: is it based on everybody's own personal choices and we're
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: living in chaos. There's a video of a kid and
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: he says to his dad and only saw this the
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: other day, so I don't know if it pops up
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: in your algorithms. If not, it's going to happen now.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Where he holds a kitchen plate, dinner plate, and he
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: says to his dad, I'm going to drop this and
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: I bet it won't blake. He's a break he's a mate.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Please don't it's it's ceramic. It's of course it's going
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: to break. Don't do that. Please, It's a glass plate,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: whatever it might be, it's definitely breakable. Please don't do
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: this a dad, I'm telling you, I'm going to drop it.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: It will not break. He drops it, hits the floor
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: and shatters, and the dad's just looking at him. He goes, dad,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: you were supposed to catch it. He said, what are
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: you talking about? You said it wouldn't break. Is yeah,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: it was going to break because you would catch it.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Why would you let it break? He starts gas lighting
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: his dad. He was like, the joke is I drop
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: it and you you don't want it to break, so
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: you catch it. And then I'm right because I dropped it,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: and yet it didn't break. So it's like he had
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: predetermined what was going to happen, and yet the thing
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: that he planned on because of his predetermination didn't quite
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: work out. And then there's also you know, depending on
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: what you watch, and there's some of them where it's like,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: you know, a time travel movie, it's like, this has happened, Well,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: let's go back and let's change it. Or we get
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: a premonition and we act accordingly and then we change
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: it because we know what to expect. And then there
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: are a couple of movies I can't even give a
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: spoiler alert because once I say them, maybe we'll at
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: the head twelve monkeys. Have you seen this? And not
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: since I was probably came out okay, And there's a
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: movie called Premonition with Sandra Bullock. Feel free for yourself
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: to turn down your own headphones while I while I talk.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: About that better or worse than the lighthouse, the lake house,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: lake house.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't mind the lake house.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Well, I didn't mind it either, But that was obviously
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: a bit of a time you wind me travel.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: A little bit timing. I mean, this was premonition. She
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: had a premonition of her husband's death, and then she
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: did everything she could to try and avoid it.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, I think I might have seen.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: That back in the day. And then at the end
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: she sees only because of the changes she has made
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: to avoid her husband's death, she kind of put them
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: in a position where he died the exact same way
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: she saw on the highway. On the highway, yes, I'm
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: supposed to be Yes. So she goes out of her
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: way to try and avoid what she saw in a premonition,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: and that actually caused Yeah, right, twelve monkeys. They are
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: out to avoid this thing, so they go to all
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: these travel trouble to go back in time and do
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: all this stuff blah blah blah blah blah, and by
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: doing that, it actually causes the thing that they're trying
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: to avoid in the first place. If they just would
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: have done nothing, it would have been fine. I mean,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: in a way, it's kind of like, you know, terminator
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: in a way like the the Skynett send the terminators
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: back to kill John Connor. But if they didn't, I
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: mean they kind of create their own Ye.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: If they hadn't have done that, potentially wouldn't have been
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: trained up well enough if they.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Didn't get out the resistance. If you don't try and
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: kill Sarah Connor, then John kind of doesn't grow up
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: to become a resistance leader. But also if you don't
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: send someone back, then they would not have been killed
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: to have the little chip being discovered by Nile Gison.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: And we don't try and kill Sarah Conna the waitress
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: in the first one, she hasn't become the.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Bad us in the second one trains him up. So yeah,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: oh here we go paradoxes, get the Butcher's paper house,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: give me a white food. So yeah, I love all
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: this shit. So I love when they play with That's
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: why I feel like this one was like, oh, great
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: concept at the start, But you know, that's where maybe
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I would have loved to have seen an episode where
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: the Seer we just go old school. Season three, Season
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: four of SG one, we show up on a planet
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: even without the necessity to go there because we know
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: this guy can see. That's why we went there, because
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Taylor's like, we've dealt with these people. There's a guy
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: who can see the future. Take that out. They're just
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: dialing into some random planet, which is going against what
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: our showrunners want where we have a standalone episode and
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: they go there. This guy gets that, they're greeted at
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: the gate. Oh we knew you were coming. Okay, we'll
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: go and delve in. And that starts some type of thing,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: a conflict within that own planet and we can really
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: dive into it without having these sort of galactic wide
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: in a way repercussions where we have two Wraith ships
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: are now out of out of it. You know, we've
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: got unnamed Wraiths, his people, his ship that was coming
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: to him, they're gone, and he's still a prisoner. And
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: he's still a prisoner. Have they haven't they actually got
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: a real weapon that can help destroy the replicators. Unnamed
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Wraith tells us that that we do. We're believing him
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: because we need to. But you know, other than those
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: little bits and pieces, you know, we we don't have
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: this massive tie in. But because we do now, I
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: think it took a little bit of the steam out
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: of what could have been a great solo episode.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Are we going to remember that we have the Wraith
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: as a prisoner, considering we forgot about that redheaded Jani
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: woman from season one that she was a prisoner and
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: we never saw her again.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: She just rodding away someone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they'll
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: remember the past word to get into the into the jail.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: She's food in the cell for the Wraith in the.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: It's funny you say that because apparently the idea of
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: the sea actually went through several for iterations of how
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: they were going to get in and get out of
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: the episode. And I think, because, yeah, we've had episodes
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: like the one with Jonas in it where he could
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: see the future and other things like that, so I think, yeah,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: they can sometimes get a little bit too bogged down
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: and trying to do something different.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: You know, it was incredibly tough to break this story. Boy.
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: We started out we experiment and we knew we wanted
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: some device by which we could see the future and
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: how that would impact Carter's decision making, you know, whether
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: too much information was was good or bad or you know,
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: And and it started out originally we found this device
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: on Atlantis, and the device was able to calculate probability,
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: because you know, it was just a massive, massive number
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: of calculations that they could arrive at probabilities. And it
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: started out with McKay able to make predictions, and then
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: we scrapped the device because we're like, well, how we
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: don't want it at the end of the episode.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: We want it, we want and we can't just have
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: it blow up or something.
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: So then it became a time travel thing where Carter
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: and McKay somehow got you know, shot into the future
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: and then back and so she knew that Shepherd was
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: going to die in the future and they were trying
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: to prevent that from happening by changing the way events
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: played out.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: And we went back and forth on that for days
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: then then.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: And then finally it was Rob who came in and said, well,
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: there's an easy way to you know that we can
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: lose the device at the end.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: Just make it a person and make that person sick.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: So, you know, the the the device became the guy
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: who had this strange ability to see the future, which
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: we never explained.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I mean that does they do make a good point
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: for something that I questioned before, Why do they have
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: to make him sick? But it's like that's their way
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: of destroying the device. They killed the man, So that
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: does make sense, and thank god they went away from
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: the idea of like, oh, they traveled in the future,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: they saw it. No, it's the same as them going
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: to a parallel universe and going, oh, there's enough threads
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: here that match, you know, we were trying to avoid that. Yeah,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: we've done that.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Or another lab they find in Atlantis that had this
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: piece of technology of the week that you know, like
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: the one that made Rodney almost as send and then
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: the one that brought the Rodney from the other galaxy
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: the other universe and all that kind of stuff, or
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: you obviously Before I Sleep kind of did the whole
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: time travel thing already where we got the old Weir
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: and you know, she was the one that had gone
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: gone forward in time to prevent a disaster.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: And all that kind of stuff. Yeah, we've covered it. We've
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: covered all that kind of stuff. And they feel like
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: it does feel it is. It's similar, but it's definitely
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: different enough having a person being able to see the
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: future as opposed to all of that stuff. It doesn't
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: feel like, oh, Okay, this is the season four version
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: of that storyline just with a guy. It feels, it
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: feels fresher than that. It's definitely on the fresh side
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: of the line down the middle between the two.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be opposed to an episode where Carter and
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: mackay are having highjinks, like in the future or something
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: like that. But I don't necessarily know that I need
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: the whole thing where they have to prevent a disaster
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: like a predistonation, paradox, all that kind of stuff. I
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: just those who offer a high jink somewhere. Yeah, great,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: sign me up. But yeah, I think I think this
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: was kind of the best scenario, even though it is
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: kind of frustrating that the whole sort of impetus for
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: us to go and find this sea that Taylor just
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: happened to know about that she's never said anything about
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: previous was to find an information about the Ethosians. But
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: he has all these premonitions, none of which tie into
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: the Ethosians. He has that line about all where they're
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: shrouded in darkness or something like that. So that's kind
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: of frustrating that we did all that and then got
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: nothing out of it. Yeah, ethosion wise, but I guess
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: that is the same kind of I guess core concept
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: of like the early SG one days where you know,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: like the Knox where till it would be like I
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: would do go do a blooded where these giant visible
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: bugs and blah blah blah, and then we end up
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: beating the Knocks and don't get anything out of it
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: and don't getting back at the end, and so yeah,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: it does kind of working in that regard.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm nervous saying this and things like this every
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: single episode because, like you said, you are the Seer
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: of Atlantis, because you've got.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: A pretty good idea of where we see my big
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: wooden throne that I've got a home.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: It's amazing. But yeah, yeah, funny that very Game of
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Thrones little tantum, Like I feel like you'd be one
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: with the people. He wouldn't just be sitting there just
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: waiting for someone to come in and talk to him.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: But you saying before, oh, well, maybe that premonition will
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: pay off, just not now, like we might see some
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, well now I'm kind of waiting for that,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: but also not might be next to next week would
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: be the series finale exactly, And you if you hadn't
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: seen that, and you were watching this for the first time,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: like I am. My question would be to the room,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: which definitely doesn't work because it's only you now, would
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: be well, can he only see not just the future,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: but the future that he is involved in? You know?
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, it is an interesting concept because it's like
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: he wasn't present during the ambush, but he saw the ambush. Yeah,
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: you know, if he was present on Atlantis when it
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: was being destroyed, would he have been killed?
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Like if he's in.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: That tower when it collapsed and stuff like that. He's
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: obviously seeing things from a from a third person point
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: of view. It's not like he's seeing it through his
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: own lives, which is I think the difference bewe Hi
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: and Jonas' pretty sure Jonas only saw things through his
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: own eyes, Yeah, yeah, yeah, whereas the Seer seems to
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: be able to just get random visions of something that
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: he doesn't even know exists.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And even before they really went into just how
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: sick that he was and how much shirts or how
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: little time that he had, when he said, oh, my
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: own fate remains a mistress to me for as much
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: as I can see, And I'm like, actually, I like
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: that because we've seen stuff like that in movies and
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: TV in the past, where someone can see stuff, I mean,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: the ancient one in Doctor Strange and she's like, I
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: can only see so far, you know, like I've never
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: been able to see past this point, and it's because
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: that's the moment where she died, and she just keeps
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: trying to like work out how they how they sort
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: of get there. So whereas in this, you know, it
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: was one thing for them to arrive at the gate
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: and his daughter and the people be there waiting for
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: our team, But it would have been different for me
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: if he would have brought up something that Taylor had
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: said in the briefing room and she's like, we're a
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: bit skeptical on it, but yeah, for the most part,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: he's good. He would have been like, I know that,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: you doubt it's only an hour ago. It's like, can
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: you did you see that from a far? Like can
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: you are you another malevel reference? Are you haimedel? Can
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: you see everything everywhere? Or is it just stuff that
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: you are involved with yourself? If you on your planet,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: you can see stuff happening in your planet or is
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: it just your people? So, yeah, when he can't see
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: his own future, and that premonition ends with the giant
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: tower collapsing and Atlanta's being shot to shit? Is that
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: because well that's where he dies and he sees everything
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: to do with that and that battle. So when we
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: do we or do That's what I'm talking about, That
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: the actual vision of his might be a couple of
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: months in the future, a couple of episodes in my
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: future or did we actually change the future and so
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: he still died when he was supposed to die, but
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: that tower falling down is now a future that has
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: been avoided?
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Is it a future that's been avoided or has
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: he seen something beyond his death?
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah? And it's a mirrored situation of event that they
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: think that they've avoided eventually. Yeah, which now I'm thinking
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: is what's gonna happen.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: I used to get into that enjoyment of when I
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: watch Charmed because Alissa Milano's character Phoebe, she could have premonitions.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: But again, it's like hers was a little different in
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: that she could after she learned her power, she could
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: choose when she wanted visit like she could she could
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: touch something and that would give her a vision like
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: you know as she would pick up your phone and
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: that's because that's something of yours that would happen to it,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: and she would be able to have a vision about
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: your future or something like that. Whereas, Yeah, I feel
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: like with Davos it was very like just random stuff.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Did he even have a line about he's never had
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: a vision about himself or something like that. He just
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: he just seems to get visions for the quote unquote greater.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Good of you know, the galaxy? And yeah, where does
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: that extend?
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Is he suddenly going to have a vision of SG one,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: you know, or something that or the SGC which is
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: in another galaxy? You know, as far as we're aware,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: he's never seen a Replicator ship, but he had a
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: vision of the Replicator ship firing on Atlantis. So it's like, well,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: if he had had that vision a month ago, would
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: he have any context for who that ties in to
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: if he hadn't?
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's again it's one of those things where
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: you that's the kind of power that you know, a
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: whole season of television to really delve into what are
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: the rules and how does it work? But like alle
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: mcculor said in that it's like we just never explained it. Yes,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: he was just he was He was literally a device,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: a plot device, and a device that they just made
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: human so that he could die at the end. So
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: we didn't have to deal with that technology.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Another thing they avoided, and maybe it just came down
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: to scripting that the length and they've had to cut
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: the scene. But like considering the last episode ended with
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Taylor being told by Keller, We've got to talk about
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: your test results. We as an audience can speculate, and
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: like we spoke of it in the podcast last week,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: well this is just coincidentally off screen, Rachel Lateral is pregnant,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: so that's probably what's going to be happening with Taylor.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: And then when the seer says, oh, are you not
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: carrying another life within you? I thought she was going
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: to be like, because I didn't see that, of course
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: that Keller is not going to go we need to
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: talk about your test results. And she's like, okay, what
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: I know, we're actually out of time. I'll get back
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: to you later and walk away like she's never going
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: to do that, so obviously she should know. But because
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: we as an audience didn't see that, I was my
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: first thought, only for a split second, was oh, this
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: is going to be how she finds out Now it wasn't.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: She's it would have been cooler to do it this
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: way rather than Keller.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, yeah, it would have actually yeah, But because
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: she had already had that conversation, she just confirmed yeah,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: actually I am. And I'm like, oh, why did we
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: not get that? I would like Taylor. I don't know.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I feel like I would have loved to have seen
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: what is that character and the way that she operates
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: and has to live her life and all of her
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: experiences and her hopes and dreams for the future of
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: destroying her enemy so that she can reunite with a
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: bit kind of like Tilk, but of course destroy the
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: end of me, reunite with your people and live happily
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: ever after. How does you falling pregnant in the middle
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: of that? What does that do to you? How does
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: that change? What do you think about that? I'm sure
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: it's all very positive, blah blah blah, nothing, nothing like that,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: But I just I don't know. I hate when movies
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: and TV shows cheap out on a conversation like that,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: or you do actually see people talking and then it
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: just slowpan out, bring up the music, and we just
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: see them out they oh, someone be shocked, or someone
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: gives someone a cuddle, whatever it might be. And I know,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: write that scene, I want to know what that dialogue
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: sounds like.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: I'm in the middle of doing a rewatch of Parenthood
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: that we've spoken about it, and one of the characters
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: has to announce the entire family that they've got cancer,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: and we know, as an audience know. But then as
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: they start to tell the entire family, I won't give
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: it away, just in case you walk into the room
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: watching it, the music swells and the whole thing is
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: played with no dialogue and just music, and you just
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: see the reactions of people's faces and stuff like that.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: I'm like, no, kind of want to I kind of want.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: To see that that particular acting person because I'm not
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: going to give I want that that that actor person
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: over there to you know, be able to flex a
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: little bit and show what they can do.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: And half the time when you do see scenes like
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: that where the score is just over the top of it,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: drowning it out, they're still acting. There ares off and
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: you see a lot of facial acting and the other
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: reactions of the people that have no speaking roles in
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: that scene, And I'm like, hang on, was this was
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: this written and filmed and in the edit you found
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: it stronger to drown it out with music or in
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: the moment, could you, as a writer go, I don't
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: know how to write this scene success. So I don't
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: know how to write it and give it enough mph.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: The director comes and goes, hey, look, I tell you,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: We'll just say, get the actors to say I have cancer.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Everyone else can react and it's just that. Can just
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: add lib and we'll take care of it later, fix
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: it in posts. So I'm always wondering, gonna need a
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: mon time? Was that a choice? Or was that what
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: was written? And I never I can never tell, and
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: I'm always just like, no, I want to either way.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: I wanted to see what that was. I want to
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: know how you wrote that character finding out that piece
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: of awful information.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: And I think, unfortunately, and this is probably the twenty
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: twenty five of it all is I think stuff like
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: this really highlights the fact that it's an all male
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: writing stuff. Yeah, when it comes to doing this kind
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: of thing without giving away too many spoilers, because I
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: am the seer What I find really unsettling with the
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: whole Taylor pregnancy situation is when other members of the
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: team and stuff start to find out, so many of them,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: the first question they ask is who is the father?
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: And it's like, really, that's the question you ask when
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: this person who is like family to you. Yeah, it's
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: not a congratulations, it's oh my god, holibla, it's who's
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: the father?
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: And I'm just like, that's a little bit dicky. That's
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: a little bit dicky, And like, you know, on the harmless,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: on the on the on the nice side, you can
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: get well, who are you hanging out? Because you're here,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: it's no one here, so who is it? Like, you know,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: it's almost like, well, why is why is this something
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: you haven't shared with us? Why have you felt the
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: need to keep this secret from us? You know, we
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: would have been supportive of a relationship that you have,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: or you know, the plans for your feet all that
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: sort of stuff.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: But then when she also could have curked it and
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: I just couldn't one night stand with some random on
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: a planet. It could have been one of Ronan's people
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: back in that episode four, she could have she could
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: have banged tear and.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: We just didn't see it.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so no, I get I had him aggressive, like
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: the fight turned into a fight, if you know, a
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: little bit of Yeah.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: The other the other part of this for me as
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: the first time Wolsey, He's back, Oh yeah, what a dick.
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: But I want you to know I'm here as an
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: observer only. I have no intention of getting involved in
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: the day to day operations of the base.
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: Really, that's refreshing.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I love that first moment, like not two minutes later
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: on screen time, it felt like and he said, so,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: he was just engaged in the conversation. He was playing,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: playing his part, and it felt it felt natural with
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: what they were talking about. And then cartera just turned
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: and said, how's that that observation going for you? It
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: just like fully shuts him down and like that's fine.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: That's what we've always done to Wolvesey and you can
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: understand why he was doing certain things that he was
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: doing and saying what he was saying. But then come
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: the end where it was a real like no you
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: do this and Carter going yourself, Yeah, no, I loved that.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: That was so good. And of course she was going
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: to get paid off. Of course she was going to
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: get proven to be right. But you know we really
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: needed that moment him like you will kill us all
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: It's like, no, bro, you're going to do it when
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: you make the opposite choice, because then we're going to
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: get turned on. And yeah, like I know we came
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: to like him a little bit more last time, one
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: of the last times he was around whatever it was.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: But the return when he was with ONEO. Yeah that
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: double ep that wasn't too bad. Yeah, you didn't hate
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: him in that episode, and you could see that he
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: was starting to come around on us. But at the
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: same time, it's like still bit of a dick move.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: And you know, I love having I love having someone
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: back that we can we can warm to the characters.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: We can warm to Carter and and her. I guess
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: confidence in herself to be able to run that base
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: when you put her up against a character like Wolsey
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: where she has to make a contradicting decision to his
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: wishes and a payoff or spectacularly not. But we understand
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: why she did it.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Do you still have the law in order?
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Du Tom mate? Do I? It is up right in
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: front of me.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: I would like the record to show Mitchell. Mitchell James
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Lewis of sound mind. Oh God is the one that
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: brought up Wolsey, not me?
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Ah right, okay, good, good good.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: And I would like to present this piece of evidence
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: to the court.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately representing, So because I brought up Wolsey, you're going
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: to just tag onto the end of that. So it's
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: we're not gonna We're gonna un that's one you.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: No, no, it's nothing, nothing to do with that, going
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: in a completely different direction.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: It can be crazy for thinking that's what you were doing.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: I can go there if we want later, But Representative
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Gibson is not here. He is not here to defend himself,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: your honor. But I would like to present this piece
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: of evidence to the court.
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: Well, the Ioway has come to realize that bureaucratic interference
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: on Atlantis isn't always as beneficial as we might like
• 46:20
  Speaker 6: to hope.
• 46:21
  Speaker 7: Say her name, say it, say it, put some respect
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: on her name, and say it, you bald headed.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: I didn't.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Only after losing the beloved Elizabeth wea.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Do they well done? I took a breath. I shouldn't have.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Do they decide, oh suddenly, maybe we shouldn't be interfaring.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: In the command decisions because.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: What happened, it doesn't work out so well.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: I mean your honor, you know, but you can see
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: why they you know, I get it.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, just looking, I mean looking you down the
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: barrow guard say her name.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm on top of the Gaga montage. I
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: almost had a florence in the.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Machine, same mad name.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: So just be glad that my internet was slow that
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: day and I was tired.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Well, look, sometimes we only learn things when bad things happen. Okay,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: he just wanted to move on from it. He doesn't
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: want to apologize. He just wants to move on.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: If only Davos could have met Woolsey six months ago
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: and said, listen to doctor Wea.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: I don't want to do that.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, now you won't be at war with the
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: replicators and the race at the same time, had some
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: I had.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Some weird audio, John Yeah. Well, I mean I've always
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: got get out of the way. Yeah, that'll do. Of
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: course that's some Linda Hamilton, but it doesn't.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: But that was what we have said when she took
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: all that glass to the face. Just get out of
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: the way, Joe, get out of the way.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Almost un alive. Night's in the brain.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you mentioned the Wraith apparently, and I don't
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: know who keeps track of this, because obviously we kept
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: track of the important things like how many women Daniel
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: slept with while he was still technically married to share Ye,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: someone has been keeping track of how many Hive ships
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: we've seen destroyed, and apparently in this episode it marks
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: the eleventh and twelfth Hive ships that we've seen destroyed.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: That's not bad. That's not bad that the show began.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: That's a good tally. Yeah, I mean yeah, when they
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: talk about that's all love you know here. I know
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: that we're a unique but on many different you know,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: sci fi formats, even to go back made to believe
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: it or not, animals, you know, where these aliens are
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: out there to take over other races and other species.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: When they discover Earth, they're like, there's six billion on
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: This is back in the mid nineties. There are six billion,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Like that is unheard off numbers like and these are like, oh,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: the Wraith of destroying human planets. How many were on
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: that planet? Have we lived there?
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Like sixty to seventy thousand. I'm like, wow, how heavily populated?
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Oh no, we lost Tasmaniah what how terrible.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: The views and thoughts overall get into game. I love
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Tazzy Mate, I love Tazzy. Tassy's great, Tass He's great.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: I mean way more than that.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: The population'shire if you count up her head obviously, but.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Again, the buddy, you need to know if you can
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: shut down the replicator attack coat on your own.
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: I've been looking into that and it's not very promising.
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: You don't want to activated in the first place.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Well that was easy, well actually was spectatically difficult, but
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: it is relative, Rightney.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very much giving.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: The other week when he was like, yeah, I said
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: it was impossible, but I just having to be wrong
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: about that or whatever it was, he was.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Like, never misses the moment. Did you feel I was brilliant?
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Actually brilliant anyway, stop bring it up. Obviously I'm smart
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: talking about let's let's look ahead. It's like shar up dude.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Ironically, though not his best line of the entire episode.
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: There's boundaries. A few eyebrows. I mean, if if you've
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: had eyebrows, that's.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: The sound bite I had to leave that video. It
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: just it makes it What about now, I don't see
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: a piece of audio that's described his way, but just
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: a little bit of wrath. You ma oh no, I
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: understand his customer to shake hands and they all just
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: like raise their Gunyah, I'm gonna kill you. I was
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: gonna take the life for us from your part of
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: your head.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: I think I think it was just because it's so unsettling.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: It's like when we saw Tilk laugh that time and
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: we're like, oh, this doesn't feel right.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: I know when he was laughing, I'm like, I don't
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: know that I need that. The wraith. Yeah, I think
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: you can leave that. You'll be fair. Smiling is one
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: thing because you're evil, but a laugh because it's something
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: you think is actually funny. No, thank you, Nope at all, No,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: thank you. All right. That is episode two hundred and
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: seventy eight of Get Into Gates back again for season
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: number four, episode nine next week. Miller's crossing.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Do you have any any ideas maybe on not what
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: that could be?
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: What was the one last season? Was the season before
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: missus Miller? What was mill Miller? So that was his sister, right,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Jeanie Jeanie Miller Miller's crossing. Yeah, I mean one would
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: assume it's got something to do with his sister or
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: his brother in law. Who knows. Oh that's true. It
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the missus. See you see
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: what I did. I assumed, Yes, I assumed based on
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: gender gender norms, right, disgusting?
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because of course, and you know from a production
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: all of you. Who are they going to bring back,
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: you know, Debbie Hewlett's actual real life sister who's a
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: talented actress, or just that random the random guy that
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: stayed home dad friends with Martin Geary one episode.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry if it's if it's a case the friend
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: of Button Giro, absolutely not.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: But he is the right gender for the rises of
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: this show. Genie, not so much.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: What do you call it when it's a friend of
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: you know, if you're the son or daughter of someone,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: you're a NEPO in a casting or an epo baby?
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: What do we call when it's a a friend? Friend o?
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: Friend o baby?
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, it needs work.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Have you seen the meme where people said they reckon Australians.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: He's like, how long before Australian start calling non binary
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: people non binos? I mean that's pretty good. I don't
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: mind that my non binos.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: There's a guy, just the thought of that, now that
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: you've said.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a guy I follow on YouTube and he
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: calls lesbians beanie babies because lesbians beanie babies.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I see how he's made that. Yeah. I mean,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: now that you've put it out there, more people will
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: be saying it. And it's not necessarily I mean certainly
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: not you. You're not saying anything that is uh.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: No, it's not drogatoryrogatory again Australia, you give someone a
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: nickname as a form of affection. Yeah, And we shortened
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: things being reportant to us, we shortened.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: See and I won't I won't even say what it is,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: you know, Microsoft, I'll say it to you. You know
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: there there is there is the actual I guess name.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: There is probably two different ones, but there is a
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: name given to a certain ethnic race within our country
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: that is then shortened on toast Okay, yep, what banana
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: and might Yeah. And whenever I had heard that growing up,
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: I heard that as the shortened the nickname version of
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: that much longer name. And then as I got older
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: and people you can't say that because it's racist to
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: say that, And I'm like, why if I say the longer.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: One's like, no, then you sang the name as soon
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: as you shorten it, that's you being racist. I'm like, no,
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: I'm just shortening it because I'm lazy, because I'm Australian mate.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: You know, So like what happens when you showt Arnold
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: sorsenigger's last name, that that becomes problematic?
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know, so you know? Yeah, so I
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: I like the non binar. Are theyre a non bino?
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: I think people will naturally assume you are being transphobic, yeah,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: you know or whatever, you know, like they get when
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: I say that I'm wrong when I say that, I
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: just mean people that don't understand the difference. But people
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: will naturally assume that you are being derogatory towards non
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: binary people because you've got a non binar.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Non binar, just got to shorten it.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: People love drinking wine. A non bindo whino whoa excellence.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Let's not put that under the ether. I don't mean anything.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: We're saying it because that's the absurdity of where we are.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Do you know what they need?
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: People will say a non binary person who drinks a
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: lot of wine to go to East Lannubar so they
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: can see a lot of non bino whino diners.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: If you have any more, get in the gate that Gmail,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: come hit us up on the socials. Get in. If
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: you are a non binary person, you might know things
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: that we don't.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and if if you are a non binary person
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: who enjoys wine dinosaur and you also are a gynecologist
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: and you're a non bino winodyno ghino, hit us up.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: Although that does make it sound like you you're a
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: glenocologist for dinosaurs, we probably got to you know or
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: is it is it a dinosaur gynecologist, in which that
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: point it'd be a non bino winoodyno.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: We're having way too much fun with something so so stupid.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: If you go to Australia Zoo.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: And go to the Africa section, you can be a
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: non bino winoo and you have an you have an
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: interaction with some rhinos.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: I went to say using t before I was and
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: you like watching rugby league, but because it's t I
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: n o but you pronounce it tin, that would have
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: you're a one o gho rhino watching rugby league player
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: Tino fussy with mother like I just wouldn't have wor
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: that's niche. It wouldn't.
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, get into geek, get into Gate, get into get
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: Stargate podcast.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Get into it now before it's too late.