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Women are turning away from the right, and why it doesn't matter | Maintaining Frame 92 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Oh yeah, Hello everyone, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name
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  is Brian. I'm here with Alison, and this is maintaining frame because I
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  mean this, Allison in me ninety two women are turning away from the right
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  and why it doesn't matter where. We're gonna be looking at a video from
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  our boy Carl Benjamin aka Sargon of a cod who made a video that I
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  guess like everybody saw making the rounds called is there a place for women on
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  the right. So we're gonna be going through that, and we're also recording
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  here on Riverside, so hopefully this will be hitchless, but you know,
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  you never know, so before we get into it, though, Allison,
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  maybe you should do the things all right, I warn you that I am
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  having a little bit of an issue with echo for some reason. The sound
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  is going out turned. No, no, it's not you, it's actually
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  we're going to be talking about here. I will continue to endeavor to fix
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  this, this small issue that I seem to be having. And let's let's
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  go. You know what, shall we just start or did you want to
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  give your thoughts on this? Well? I mean I watched it. I
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  agree with part of it, but I think that there there is he's operating
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  under well, I don't know, maybe we should just play it, okay,
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  And I know that the audience is gonna get pissed, but we're gonna
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  play it. There are parts of it that I don't think is completely wrong.
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  But again, this is more of a reaction to the online trolling,
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  because that's really what this whole repeal the nineteenth thing is. It's trolling like
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  there's no way it's ever gonna happen. It happen, but for some reason,
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  women are really upset because they're getting in their feelings over it, even
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  though again it's not gonna happen, Like that's just not feasible. But it
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  is funny to, you know, to see them squirm and see over something
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  that they would literally have to collectively vote in favor of to make happen,
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  Like, how is this? How is this even trolling? It's like,
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  uh, you know, you could twitch your fingers in a socket and and
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  and electrocute yourself ha ha ha ladies. But and I'm like, yeah,
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  but what if I didn't do that? You know, like all the women
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  are like, oh my god, they're they're forcing us to put our fingers
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  in the socket and electure cute himself. But it's yeah, but I it's
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  And the fact is that I'm gonna just say this. I was listening to
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  what Sargon had to say, and I'm like, dude, you were the
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  one who said I wouldn't you, I wouldn't even rape you. Remember that?
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  Do you remember that whole kerfuffle? It's of the same nature as this.
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  It is. I mean, there, you know, there are some
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  people who literally believe it, I guess, But nonetheless, I'm well anyway,
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  let's just get into the video. I feel like we're gonna be talking
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  around something that we haven't heard, so let's let's play it. Carl,
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  please don't ding us. I've recently seen a great deal of discourse around the
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  subject of the way that right wing women are treated online by right wing activists,
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  and this has, from what I've seen, happen mostly on Twitter,
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  which is rarely the best place to have any kind of productive conversation. What's
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  worse is that the conversation about the right wing conception of the romantic relationships between
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  men and women is not mature and is being undertaken by people who probably don't
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  actually have all that much experience of them personally, and so have to go
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  from the examples of others. I think that actually I do have some authority
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  on this subject. I have to say I would never talk to my wife
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  in the way that I see right wing men online speak to women that they
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  view to be on their own team. But those people, those women are
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  not their wives. I would say it to my wife that way, but
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  I might speak to like women that claim to be on our side but aren't
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  in that way. Yeah, you know, a wife isn't in cheek clapping
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  distance. You know that that makes it different. Like, I mean,
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  I I've you know, I debate with Lindsay all the time. Though,
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  yeah, I know, and you know, so sometimes we're not really nice
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  with each other. It's fine, Yeah, like people are too maybe a
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  little bit too precious. And again, like a lot of this trolling that
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  I see that that women get upset about, I'm like, but think about
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  it. Think think it through logically, Like for example, well, I
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  mean, yeah, we just talked about the repeal of the nineteenth. Well
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  who's going to be repealing the nineteenth? The majority the majority voter block?
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  Well who's the majority voter block? Women? Okay, well, good luck
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  with that. Good luck with it. It's on its face happening. But
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  you know that it does what I think is good that it does. It
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  is opening a conversation about what a vote is and what name right is.
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  And I think that's the most important. That's the important thing. Like is
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  that And I think people getting all like, don't say that, you know,
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  we shouldn't have this conversation. Don't be so rude. It's not helpful
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  to pretend like this is not something that is affecting people like women vote in
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  mass they vote as a block, especially if they're single, and they vote
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  in their own self interest, and it has an effect on who is put
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  into power, what policies get passed, who is affected whether or not we
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  go to war, you know, and we have, by the way,
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  and it's not women. Those women are not the ones that have to pay
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  the price for that. It's the men that get sent off. It's the
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  men. So like this is an important Yeah, it's an important conversation though,
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  Like doesn't matter how realistic it is. What matters is that something that
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  we didn't really talk about before the vote as a right, which is how
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  it has been commonly accepted, is now like on the table to be discussed.
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  It doesn't matter if some people get rude, who cares? Yeah,
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  Like is there important things to discuss? Like in the previous episode or one
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  of the previous episodes, I said, well, at least the red pill
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  bros Are forcing the conversation. They're forcing this to happen, which you know,
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  that's something that that you know, Paul e Limit's a strategy that he
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  pursued trying to force the mainstream media to actually take men's issues advocates and men's
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  rights activists seriously, and so he tweaked their nose, And that's what this
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  is. This is some nose tweaking. It's it's ridiculous on its face.
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  And the other thing is that a lot of people are like, well,
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  why aren't you calling them out? Okay? And I have guy men saying
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  this to me, and I'm like, because I don't want to be part
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  of a gender schema in which I have to be offended by patently ridiculous assertions
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  by men who are making patently ridiculous assertions like that requires me to be a
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  particular sort of sensitive that I'm not. I'm not the princess and the p
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  you know, with their eighteen mattresses. That feels oh my goodness. These
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  men have told me, well, why don't you take away your own vote,
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  lady? Oh wouldn't that be cool? I'm sure, I guess because
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  that's essentially what the framework is. They're basically saying, why don't you take
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  away your own votes, ladies? And the ladies are like, how dare
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  you to take away our vote? I'm like, what are you? Is
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  everyone mental? Is everyone losing their mind? Here? Like? This is
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  this is it's it's absurdity. It's like getting offendedive dataism. Okay, anyway,
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  so I got I got well, go ahead, no, no,
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  no, I was gonna say, I got a rumble rant. That's okay.
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  I wanted to read it out. So Nova Fan twenty one gave us
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  a dollar and said, I may be wrong, but in my opinion,
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  most right wing women are lefties from past years and given the current trend of
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  people being rejected by the left, and the real right faded long ago,
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  so there is no more right wing. Yeah. Look, I I was
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  afraid that this was going to start. That look to me, and I
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  people hate me for this. I don't know why. There's really not a
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  right. There's just there's just different degrees of feminist people. Like if we
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  break it down, there's like different levels of ginocentrism, and that's all there
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  is. So like when when Carl says, does the right look just stop,
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  like you're you're already concede. You're basically seeding ground to your enemies because
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  you are operating within the framework that they have created. I've tried. I've
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  said this countless times, and people got pissed at me because they really want
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  to draw lines. They want to say this is this side and this is
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  that side. It's not that it's not guys, please you have to stop.
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  Like the last time there was something conservative was probably during the time of
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  like Queen Victoria. Like we were like, it's seriously, like we don't
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  really have it, Like we don't. It's been liberal forever. So it's
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  just different degrees, that's all. So this is why I don't I see
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  it like this, and I think this is the most the way that it
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  makes sense the most in the modern world. Okay, there is like the
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  far left, and then there's everybody else. That's all. It is.
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  Like there's like a vocal minority of progressives that are just like pushing, pushing,
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  pushing, and then there's like normal people who have like normal beliefs and
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  normal values, and they differ amongst each other a lot, but they're normal.
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  Like we're like within range, Like I can have conversations with, you
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  know, people who are agnostic or secular atheists or or Muslim and Buddhists,
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  and we're and we're not at each other's throats. We're not trying to convert
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  each other. We believe that there are men and women. We believe that
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  children are good, we believe in private property like these are not right wing
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  things. These are just normal things that people believe. And that's just where
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  I'm at. So I appreciate the message Noba Fan, not criticizing you,
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  but the discourse, the way that we talk about this has to change otherwise
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  we will continue to lose forever. So we have to stop accepting their terms.
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  And I just I want to I want to add to that. Like
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  a while back, I called it the Church of Women Worsting and then I
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  updated that to the Party of the Party of Single Women. Essentially, what's
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  happened is that the predominant political force in our society is the Party of Single
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  Women and there is nothing else and what the right is proposing. And the
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  other thing is that who who thinks this is the right? Like these red
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  pill bros. Are they the Republican Party? Absolutely not. They don't reflect
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  any political they don't have reflected any political position whatsoever. Oh so, but
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  they still get lumped in. That's what I'm saying. Like you can see
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  that, Like I live in Southwest Virginia. I see you know the church
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  I go to, there are men and women and their children that go every
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  Sunday like and I wouldn't even say they are like, you know, right
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  wing per se. I would just say that they're regular people, like they
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  just like, you know, like they have kids, and they're married,
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  and they're and they're happy, and they're religious, and that's it. They're
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  nice people. They cook meals for us, that's it. That's normal fucking
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  people. Allison's neighbor city, your town probably has the same kind of people,
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  even though they're in a completely different country, in a different, completely
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  different environment. So when you this is why I'm saying, like the way
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  that people like Carl and Lawrence Southern and Sydney Watson talk about this stuff is
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  so incorrect. It drives me up the wall because they're they are attributing like
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  they're just trying and they're they're trying to draw lines where there are no lines.
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  There's just you know, and anyway, I feel like I'm later in
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  the point I'm gonna stop. So I got a super chow from Richard Bierre
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  for five bucks, and he says, instead of removing women's voting rights,
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  this is joke, by the way, so get ready, instead of removing
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  women's voting rights. How about just rescheduling or just scheduling a marathon of real
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  housewives of particular community on election day instead. There you go. So I
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  don't know that. Yeah, thank you for the super chow. And again,
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  if you if you send me a rumble rant, just send me a
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  message saying that you sent one in the regular chat and I'll see it.
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  But let's play some more, and I think, yeah, you build your
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  let's start by your habits. The conversation, which is what I'm to generously
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  call it sly, consists of center right women who are essentially nineties liberals and
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  their beliefs being attacked by the more hardline right wing twitter and nouns. Put
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  simply, this unpleasant fiasco basically boils down to the question, is there an
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  honorable place for women on the right? Okay, okay, let's stop here.
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  Hard right twitter anons have no political home. Are they on the Republican
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  Party? Does the Republican Party have any interest in them? No? I
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  don't even know what that means. They're just they're just I don't even know
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  what that means. I don't know either, But they're just on the internet
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  having an opinion. So quickly, they don't anyone but themselves, like the
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  right, the Republicans, the Libertarians, they aren't the same thing. So
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  when they go after women, that's not Republicans going out. And Republicans would
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  never say these things, by the way, and Christians would never say these
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  things like oh a man can have like for what this is not, or
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  or adultery is good or all of the other stuff that they say. This
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  is not an attitude that comes out of conservatism. It doesn't come out of
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  Christianity. I don't even think it really comes out of his lawm all right.
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  It comes out of the absolute cartoonification of masculinity. Right, and that
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  cartoonification can be traced directly to feminist scholarship, because that all of feminist scholarship.
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  I hope people notice now that feminist academia, Jenner studies the act,
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  all of that stuff filters out into the into the greater world. It doesn't
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  contain itself. It gets art this idea of what masculinity is like. In
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  the previous video or previous stream that we did that sort of related to this,
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  I said, you know, who was it that guy we were talking
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  about? He said, Andrew Tate is a fourteen year old boys idea of
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  masculinity. Enterteam cause a feminist ideologue, idea of masculinity. And that's where
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  it came from. Like, the people understand how much power they have over
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  the culture, they also have power over how young men define themselves. So
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  this cartoonish nonsense is feminists. It's what feminists said men are. And then
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  suddenly there's a group of men being this way because that's how feminists said,
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  Well, this is this is how men will differentiate themselves. This is the
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  this is the stuff we're giving them that's left over after we take all of
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  the goodies for women, Like we can't give men any particular virtues for being
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  men at all. So this is what's left. They can be playboys and
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  they can be assholes, and lo and behold. When you tell young men
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  that the only way to differentiate yourself from women is to be playboys and assholes,
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  you get these people, and you get a whole bunch of them.
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  Well, and on top of that, women reward that. Yeah it actually
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  they reinforce it, you know, yeah see that and yeah, so men
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  see that, and women are are drawn to it, and they're like,
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  whoa, that's and I think women might be drawn to it because they're also
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  told that that's what masculinity is, and so if they say, if they
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  want something masculine, they go after that. So it's sort of like a
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  self perpetuating, perpetuating cycle. Yeah, And I mean, I look at
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  this and I see and I even said, you know, this is gonna
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  happen. Like if the only way that you give me boys and men to
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  differentiate themselves from women is to become plague boys and assholes, that's what's going
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  to happen to a certain number of them. The rest of them are just
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  gonna silently fold into themselves and die quiet deaths, you know. But but
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  the ones who can manage the the playboy and asshole, they'll go whole hog
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  into it, and they'll probably be the only men who can hear because all
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  the other men are just silenced. They don't know what they are, who
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  they are, where they are, and they're just becoming dropping into code.
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  Like so this is I predicted this. I said, this is the this
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  is the masculinity that feminism is going to create. And I am not gonna
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  answer to that, Like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna accept people saying,
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  oh, well, you need to call them out. Yeah. Sure.
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  This is a symptom of feminism. This is a symptom of feminism's cartoonification of
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  masculinity. This is what happens when feminists say the only way you can differentiate
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  yourself as a boy from girls is to become an asshole and a playboy.
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  That's what happens. Where did you think that these people came from. They
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  didn't come from the right, They didn't come from Christians. They didn't come
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  from Muslims because muslim don't like them either. They are con They are also
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  a conservative culture that is deeply invested in the chastity of women. They're not
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  interested in this kind of red pilled bro, you know, shoving money down
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  a stripper's freaking thong Like that's not ye. This came from feminism. It
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  is a direct result of how feminism framed masculinity and intersecting with young men's desire
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  to differentiate themselves from women. So they have any identity whatsoever. As Michael
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  I think it's Michael, or as Marshall mclewan said, you know, people
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  without an identity resort to violence because it's agony to have nothing to be nothing.
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  So we put boys and men in that nothing state and they either implode
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  or they just do what we tell them. Makes them men. Right,
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  what a surprise, And again I get I get shit. I am calling
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  this out. Andrew Tate is pus. The pus is coming from an infection.
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  I am not defending Andrew Tate when I say he is pus. I'm
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  saying, you gotta fix the infection. You gotta treat the Okay, you
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  can wipe away the pus as much as you want, just gonna be more
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  puss until you treat the infection. And the infection is how feminists have framed
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  men and boys in a cartoonish way. And they have given them one way,
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  one way to differentiate themselves from girls and women, and that is asshole
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  and playboy. Right, that's it. That's where it comes from. Yeah,
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  all right, all right, I got a superhow from tell him nar
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  it's a big one. He says, for fifty dollars, Thank you so
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  much. That was that for the fundraiser. Maybe come again, let me
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  I'll take a look at whatever. He gives us fifteen and he says,
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  hello, dear Badgers, just a quick note your previous Rand Zirker, what's
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  happening between men and women? And how do we make it worse? Rand
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  Zucker two thirteen on Rumble has a problem with its audio for almost the entire
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  video. Might want to look into a reupload. Also, modernity in the
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  West arguably started after the end of the Middle Ages, so around five hundred
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  years ago. Instead of a feudal society structured by the Great Chain of Being
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  and centered socially around religious institutions, we developed not nation states and the idea
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  of practical politics a la Machiavelli, and the states started to take over more
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  institutions as opposed to the church, as well as actually create institutions slash establishments
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  to do things that did not exist before. It worked great for quite a
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  while, but now it looks like it has gone too far. And also
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  people have come up with an ideas on how to exploit these institutions. Thank
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  you them the thank you for that, Yeah, super child. I mean,
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  like, obviously there's no hard stop or start on anything. Some people
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  would say it's a renaissance. Some people will say of the Enlightenment. There
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  could be any number of things. But all I know is is that what
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  The way that we talk about these things now is just not useful at all,
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  and it needs to be abolished, you know, out with this sort
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  of thing completely. So anyway, but we can't talk about it. I
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  just think we have to talk about a different way, all right. So
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  let's let's look at yes or else. The right is going to die a
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  painful and embarrassing death of irrelevance as it alienates half of the population and then
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  wonders why it keeps losing elections? What type of you know what? The
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  answer is here? Okay, yeah, again, like I repeal the Nineteenth,
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  all right, So I'm supposed to take seriously some dude shuffling over with
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  like a freaking troll face on and saying, what if you voted to get
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  rid of your vote? What then? And I'm supposed to be like,
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  oh my god, you're telling oh my god, I can't. Can you
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  imagine, like any any candidate running on that platform the nineteenth? That not
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  only that, okay, not only that, but like I think Carl is
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  going to say that it alienates half of your support or half of your base.
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  So are you suggesting that if women are made upset by mean tweets?
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  Online that they would choose to vote to destroy the country just to get back
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  at men from tweeting mean things at them online. And if that is true,
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  then what does that say about the thing that they're tweeting about regarding repealing
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  the nineteen, Like doesn't it support their claim that women should not have the
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  vote if women will vindictively use the vote to destroy the people on their side,
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  Like they're like, what do they? Basically, what I'm saying is
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  there is there doesn't appear to be any loyalty to any principle when it comes
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  to the way that you're talking about women's political power. You're saying, well,
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  women have political power, so we should be very careful not to piss
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  them off because they instead of who's that power to destroy us? Instead of
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  saying, well, why don't you use that power as response as men do
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  or expected to write? So like this is what I'm saying, Like do
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  you see what's wrong with this? Like do you see it? Well,
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  I know you see it. I'm I'm kind of talking to whoever's watching,
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  like do you see that? Like there was a yes, it's deeply wrong
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  with it. They're like, yeah, very no expectation of citizenship responsibilities.
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  We got a tiptoe around women like they're the borderline mom in the room,
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  Like what the hell? And I just wanted to say, Okay, now
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  I'm taking this from a completely different and you, I know you have an
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  anecdote you want to say, just put a pen in it. I'm taking
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  this from a completely different perspective. He says the right needs to attract women
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  and we need to fix that. Right, Okay, Well, then become
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  the Democratic Party, Like the Democratic Party has molded in itself into the buffet
• 25:02
  for single women. And the more single women there are, the more power
• 25:07
  the Democratic Party will have. And the only way that the Republican Party is
• 25:11
  going to attract them is to do the same thing, except maybe harder,
• 25:15
  right, And so I mean, ultimately, like I said, we live
• 25:19
  in the mono party of single women, because both the left and the right
• 25:25
  tries to appeal to women as the largest voter block. And now we have
• 25:29
  Sargon saying we need to do that more. Well, okay, then this
• 25:34
  is what the right needs to do. They need to go ham into trans
• 25:38
  rights, like really ham even more than Democrats. They need to say that
• 25:42
  trans drag queens should be able to tell stories to they should have infants taken
• 25:49
  away from their moms and giving them drag queens like things like that. You've
• 25:52
  got to go ham into the into supporting and nurturing and taking care of and
• 26:00
  restructuring society to create a cradle and a safe space for the monolithic victim class
• 26:10
  of the single woman like the whatever is triggering her nurturing maternal instincts. On
• 26:15
  a political stage, you need to go ham into protecting those people. And
• 26:18
  believe me, the next group of people after the trans community, that becomes
• 26:23
  the next victim, monolithic infant class for the party of single women that the
• 26:30
  people who make them feel like, Oh, I got to protect this precious,
• 26:36
  vulnerable creature. I got to make sure that it's swaddled. I got
• 26:40
  to make sure that everybody keeps their voice down and that it lives in the
• 26:44
  harshness of the world. It's protected from and it doesn't have to justify itself.
• 26:49
  It gets its needs. When the next group of people is going to
• 26:53
  be worse than trans trans women Republic. So you what you need to do
• 27:00
  here, okay, is you need to identify that next infant class and get
• 27:07
  to it first before the Democrats and then you'll lock in the party of single
• 27:12
  women. Right. So that's what the Republicans need to do. They need
• 27:17
  to get rid of all of their principles, if they have any. They
• 27:18
  need to get rid of all of their ethics. They need to deconstruct any
• 27:22
  expectations that they put on women. They need to find before the Democratic Party
• 27:29
  does the next monolithic infant class to present to single women and say, hey,
• 27:33
  you can treat this like your political infant. And oh, Alison,
• 27:41
  you dropped. You're muted. What happens? I got muted because I accidentally
• 27:48
  hit the space button and I don't know why. That's that way. I'll
• 27:51
  move my money thing a little bit further. So you get to swaddle this,
• 27:55
  and that's the way you do it. You want to out compete the
• 27:57
  Democrats with attracting women. Then you find the next infant class to swadle for
• 28:03
  them to swat monolithic infant class. That's what you do. Right here.
• 28:07
  I should get it. I should okay, now go ahead, Yeah,
• 28:11
  let's move on. I think this is getting like we get a teenth once
• 28:15
  in the heart of hearts. Women are not about to lose the vote anytime
• 28:18
  soon, and so shrieking about how degenerate modern women aren't over and over and
• 28:23
  over is not going to win you any friends. Whether these are okay,
• 28:27
  yeah, of course they aren't. Well I will yeah, of course not,
• 28:30
  but I will say that I think Carl's not talking principles right now.
• 28:34
  He's talking like, you know, this is strategy. The unwhy Yeah,
• 28:38
  he's talking strategy, and I get it, but you know again the like,
• 28:42
  I think that people saying this stuff online know that it's not going to
• 28:45
  happen, but they are They're curious to see how supposed women on their side
• 28:51
  will react. And I think that they're getting they are learning something about so
• 28:56
  called women on their side. And this is like when he said nineties Roles,
• 29:00
  this is like, I mean, what he should have said is nineties
• 29:02
  feminists, because that's what it is, Like you're this is why I'm saying,
• 29:06
  like it's all that they're like, I don't know, very radical feminists
• 29:10
  with breaks or like yeah they're they're going to speed limit. Very few people
• 29:15
  men and women are not somewhat feminists, like very very very few, and
• 29:23
  so especially the younger generation. So yeah, I mean that this you're dealing
• 29:30
  with feminism, No matter what. That's why again the left and right thing
• 29:34
  not useful, not no point in talking about it that way. Whatever it
• 29:38
  is we call democracy is probably going to be here for the foreseeable future.
• 29:45
  Women as a voting block will matter, and so courting their vote matters.
• 29:51
  Put simply, if the world man doesn't find a way to telegraph its values
• 29:56
  to women, it is going to continue losing. Moreover, but I think
• 30:00
  that right wing thought leaders and the twitter and ons who act as foot soldiers
• 30:03
  for right wing ideals really need to learn how to regulate their trigger fingers,
• 30:08
  because I'm seeing a lot of what amounts to friendly fire going on, and
• 30:11
  I don't think it's decent. The left are actually really good at telegraphing their
• 30:18
  ideals to young women, which is why they keep winning. They promise women
• 30:22
  liberation, not from physical constraint, but from shame. It used to be
• 30:29
  that the things many young women now do openly were done in secret in the
• 30:34
  past, which kept them to a tolerably minimum level because people used to take
• 30:40
  a dim view of such activities and this reduced their proliferation. However, now
• 30:47
  it is completely normal for women to simply be indecent on a daily basis,
• 30:52
  and and men are allowed to have opinions on that. Yeah, Like,
• 31:00
  I mean, I think he understands that, but I think he's also saying
• 31:04
  again he's worried about what wins. And the problem is is that if the
• 31:11
  only way you have a chance of making any political ways is to appeal to
• 31:17
  women's sensibilities without appealing to their duty or their their like spility, yeah,
• 31:23
  their responsibility, like what they like? If how can you you? How
• 31:30
  can like? Why would anyone care what a woman believes if it's only about
• 31:36
  what she wants and not about what is good? Like you are not here.
• 31:40
  Here's the thing. I'll say this last thing and then you You are
• 31:44
  not here as a person to be happy. You are here to be useful.
• 31:49
  You are here to do something good and that will make you happy.
• 31:55
  Women right now are only encouraged to try to be happy and it doesn't matter
• 32:01
  what it costs anyone else. This is why they have this, Well,
• 32:07
  this is why women have like you know, girl math where when you when
• 32:12
  a woman is asked how much do you want your man to make? She
• 32:15
  can just make a number up because to her money doesn't mean anything, because
• 32:19
  she doesn't actually do any mass, she doesn't consider the cost of anything,
• 32:23
  and it encourages solipsism in these women to do that, And so what we
• 32:30
  should be doing is putting a different set I'll just say, like, okay,
• 32:37
  So, like there's a lot of talk from some parts of the men's
• 32:43
  circles, the manisphere of circles, where they are also saying that, well,
• 32:46
  if women are only going to be focused on making themselves happy, then
• 32:50
  men should only be focused on making themselves happy. But the problem with this
• 32:52
  is, in my view, it will make both unhappy tremendously. And I
• 32:59
  think that if men pursue something that makes them feel like they are contributing to
• 33:05
  society in some way, they will be happier. And I would prefer to
• 33:08
  encourage women to do the same rather than focus inward, because they're going to
• 33:13
  be miserable. And you can see that in the data that women are very,
• 33:17
  very unhappy despite being totally liberated. Right, So this comes back to
• 33:25
  what I think The point is, we can't appeal to women on the basis
• 33:30
  of offering them stuff because we've already been doing that and it hasn't done anything
• 33:36
  except make them resent the world more. When what we should be doing is
• 33:39
  telling them you need to be useful and you will be happy for it,
• 33:45
  you know. Okay, yeah, I want to actually speak to that,
• 33:49
  because what he's saying here is that women are going to the left because they
• 33:54
  offer liberation from shame. I'd like to take a completely dif an angle that
• 34:00
  may not have been considered by anyone. I think women may be going to
• 34:05
  the left because the left offers them a framework in which they are actually expressing
• 34:10
  their pity or sort piety and submission to something greater than themselves, which is
• 34:17
  intersectionality. Like this is yeah, heading back to the thing that you said
• 34:22
  before. I think it could be both though, because they want to be
• 34:24
  like, you know, crowd sluts and look out for the brown people.
• 34:30
  Yeah, well, I mean they want to they want to rebel against male
• 34:35
  authority and look out for the vulnerable. They want that narrative of heroism,
• 34:39
  right. So, but and it is a narrative of heroism because the thing
• 34:44
  is that everything every time I hear this talked about, like the becoming a
• 34:49
  boss bitche you know, not having children, it's in defiance of some kind
• 34:53
  of authority, like they are the chosen one, finding the sort of feminism
• 34:59
  and strike looking down the dark lord of patriarchy. It's I mean, there's
• 35:04
  a there's a heroic narrative at the core of this, and they're also doing
• 35:07
  it for the brown people, you know. So there's this whole kind of
• 35:12
  heroic narrative in the left for women, and maybe the real issue is that
• 35:17
  there is nothing comparable in the right to the point where it well, I
• 35:22
  mean, and Sargon is sort of buying into it but also expressing what's already
• 35:25
  happening. Yeah, there are the red pill bros. But they didn't come
• 35:29
  from republicanism, they didn't come from libertarianism, they didn't come from classical liberalism.
• 35:34
  They came from feminism's own cartoonish interpretation of masculinity. Right, this is
• 35:38
  the only way you can differentiate yourself from women and girls boys, So go
• 35:43
  do it. And they did, and then everybody's like, oh my god,
• 35:45
  I can't believe what really okay? Because I predicted that, you know,
• 35:51
  when I was looking at feminist theory or feminist conjecture. And I don't
• 35:53
  mean to be like up my own ass about it, but it's like,
• 35:57
  this was obvious to me that this is the going to happen. So these
• 36:00
  red pill bros have sprung from feminism's brow and they haven't come from Republicanism,
• 36:07
  and so they're off on their own. I don't think Republicans need to really
• 36:10
  answer to them or anybody they just they are themselves. The only people need
• 36:14
  to answer from them are the ones who created them ideologically, which is feminists.
• 36:19
  So my point is that I don't think there is a narrative of responsibility.
• 36:24
  I don't even think that the red pilled bros present a narrative of responsibility
• 36:29
  for women. In fact, they seem to by saying repeal the Nineteenth,
• 36:35
  they're essentially saying bring women back into male authority in order to make society work
• 36:40
  again. So it's still an appeal to the idea that men have to take
• 36:45
  charge in order to make women take responsibility, or not even take responsibility,
• 36:51
  or just take it away from them, and that that's not a narrative of
• 36:53
  women taking responsibility. And I don't think it's on the right either. And
• 36:59
  I know this is gonna blow people's minds, but I don't think that the
• 37:01
  right is in a position for many generations now to enforce responsibility on women.
• 37:10
  To present something vulnerable that they need to protect as a hero. Like there
• 37:16
  is no heroic narrative for women on the right. There is motherhood on the
• 37:22
  left, well, yeah it's motherhood, but they're not willing to enforce that.
• 37:24
  I mean maybe the pro choice or pro life advocates, but for the
• 37:31
  most part, the right is really toothless. You gotta agree with me on
• 37:36
  this, right bright is really toothless when it comes to these are the standards
• 37:40
  that you need to uphold as women. I'm just saying this is like the
• 37:45
  inverse of what people are saying, Well, the left is offering liberty,
• 37:49
  the right is offering shame. Actually, I don't think the right is.
• 37:53
  I mean, maybe it's offering shame. Maybe the red pill bros who are
• 37:57
  not the right are offering shame, which I don't know if is really effective
• 38:00
  or helpful in this instance. True, I agree with Sargon in this.
• 38:04
  I don't think the right, the true right, like the Republican right,
• 38:07
  is really offering anything in terms of responsibility for women, like really enforcing it,
• 38:12
  saying hey, no, they're yeah, they're just keeping their head above
• 38:16
  water. They're just keeping their heads down head again, and they don't want
• 38:21
  to piss off the women, because not only do you have single women voting
• 38:24
  in their own best interests that's why they vote left or whatever, but you
• 38:29
  also have women who are not single that vote on behalf of other women.
• 38:32
  So like there are plenty of women, like very few women who are like
• 38:39
  married with families of their own are not going to vote in favor of other
• 38:45
  women. So like, for example, Roe v. Wade's been overturned,
• 38:47
  and like there's there's talk that women are going to vote in favor like against
• 38:54
  whoever you know made that happen the Supreme Court, I guess, but like
• 38:59
  it's being framed as something that Republicans did to women, and even women who
• 39:05
  were who never got an abortion will vote on behalf of the sisterhood like that.
• 39:12
  The the number of women who are absolutely one against abortion in all circumstances
• 39:17
  is far higher than the number of men in that. So it's like other
• 39:22
  men aren't even they don't even matter anyways, like they're yeah, they're not
• 39:24
  even PROD. But yeah, I want to conclude my thought here. And
• 39:30
  so we have the right that really isn't offering any kind of external standard to
• 39:37
  live up to, and then you have the left and what's interesting here and
• 39:39
  maybe and I know this is like way out in left field, ha ha
• 39:44
  ha, So I know this is going to be something that will probably take
• 39:46
  a while for people to chew over. But think about the moral pressure that
• 39:52
  intersectionality applies to women, like just think about it, like taking a knee,
• 39:59
  for like submitting to really opening up your spaces as a woman to trans
• 40:06
  women. You know, all of this is a lot of moral pressure that
• 40:13
  is put on women by intersectionality. Now the right will look at that and
• 40:16
  be horrified by it because they don't agree with it. But if you think
• 40:21
  about it, that moral pressure that intersectionality applies to women in the left,
• 40:25
  there is no corresponding thing on the right. There's nothing. The right doesn't
• 40:31
  put that moral pressure on women anymore. Maybe fundamentalists might, but they it's
• 40:38
  fewer and fewer and fewer. So to get that sense of a moral schema
• 40:44
  external to yourself, women have to go to the left because there's the moral
• 40:49
  pressure. Isn't there anywhere else? In my opinion, because because a lot
• 40:53
  of Christian communities, a lot of more conservative have speed run away from saying
• 40:59
  anything to women. They've they've bought into this idea that men are less moral
• 41:05
  for the same narrative, for the same narrative reasons as is embedded in feminism,
• 41:12
  like when you say things like men are responsible for rape, men arely
• 41:15
  responsible for domestic violence, men are the violent gender. You take away,
• 41:20
  their moral authority is gone poof. And a lot of churches buy into those
• 41:25
  frameworks, and they have for a long time. In fact, I would
• 41:29
  say that feminism marched through the church's weakness there, that's weakness in presenting men
• 41:37
  as being more fallen, more demonic than women, like women are more elevated
• 41:44
  than men. And I know that this isn't necessarily supposed to be the case,
• 41:47
  but in the case it is, it has become the case in a
• 41:51
  lot of like and I've had young like I remember a young woman who was
• 41:58
  part of a more fun a mentalist church community who talked about this in her
• 42:04
  community, about how they would present men as being a danger to women.
• 42:08
  And then she would say, like she she questioned that, and she said,
• 42:12
  well, if men are presented in this way, how are we supposed
• 42:15
  to respect them, Like we're also supposed to see them as you know,
• 42:20
  like Jesus Christ, not not literally Jesus Christ. But you know that they
• 42:23
  embody the spirit of Jesus Christ, and yet we're also supposed to see them
• 42:28
  as these kind of fallen, violent, immoral creatures. And she's like,
• 42:34
  well, how how do you how do you reconcile that? And I think
• 42:37
  that's the problem. The Church creates this situation where it completely undermines men's authority
• 42:44
  by presenting them as morally lesser than women, and then they don't have that
• 42:50
  moral pressure that we're finding in intersectionality. And women are attracted to it because
• 42:57
  it's a place where they can express piety. It's a praise where they can
• 43:00
  express moral submission to something supposedly greater than them. So I would challenge Sargon.
• 43:06
  I don't know if he even listens to us anymore, but I would
• 43:07
  challenge him to think about it in those terms instead of seeing the Left is
• 43:10
  giving women more license. And sure, yeah, in some cases it gives
• 43:14
  license from the things that used to be expected of them in more conservative communities,
• 43:19
  which aren't anymore. But it also gives them also, yeah, it
• 43:27
  also gives them a framework of heroism, a framework of submitting themselves to something
• 43:32
  to protect something vulnerable, you know, and there's no narrative of that anywhere
• 43:37
  else for women. And I'm not I'm not saying that it's good narrative.
• 43:44
  It certainly is causing a heck of a lot of problems. But I'm saying
• 43:47
  that maybe we should We were looking at this in the wrong way, right,
• 43:52
  And I was gonna say, yeah, we should probably play more.
• 43:57
  You know what, I've I've yapped long enough, so let's play more,
• 44:00
  all right? All right? So I got a super child from Richard Beierre,
• 44:05
  and he says, for five dollars, why not just have candidates just
• 44:08
  campaign in cat costumes to appeal to the female voters. They're hot and scratchy.
• 44:15
  He's got jokes, all right, consider what they do to be morally
• 44:20
  questionable at all. This kind of dress in the gym, for example,
• 44:24
  is practically a hole's uniform. It is as maximally revealing as it is possible
• 44:30
  to be advertising all the goods. Where did these pants come from? Lumone?
• 44:37
  Okay, I remember when objected to. I remember being like going to
• 44:45
  the gym, right and wearing clothes I suppose would be considered appropriate, And
• 44:51
  I never saw like and that was like, I haven't been had access in
• 44:53
  the gym since two thousand and seven or twenty ten. Actually I never saw
• 44:58
  clothes like this. Yeah, well this isn't about These are not the I
• 45:04
  didn't even know you do that. There's clothes made specifically to take photos of
• 45:12
  yourself for social media purposes like they have. This is not just a simple
• 45:16
  pair of workout pants. They have like parts that are meant to tighten and
• 45:22
  enhance and lift and separate kind of like bras. So they're wonder yoga pants.
• 45:27
  Like this is like a whole industry just for women, specifically women who
• 45:31
  like to go to the gym and like to take pictures of themselves. It
• 45:36
  feeds into that, I mean, how do they are gonna seamless? Are
• 45:39
  we gonna get into the science of this. No, it's the way that
• 45:43
  they're designed. They are fiber. It's just like, yeah, it's doesn't
• 45:49
  leave a lot for the I just didn't know pants could do that. It's
• 45:52
  like and there's no they're like sculpted. So all right. Anyway, Let's
• 45:57
  place becomes accused of being a pervert of some kind, as if perversion itself
• 46:00
  isn't widely celebrated, and that is to say nothing of what the only fans
• 46:06
  generally well Internet. Even the things that young women post that aren't pornography seem
• 46:12
  positively indecent. I can't even imagine how strange and bewildering such messaging is for
• 46:17
  young men who are just arriving into manhood. If women post this sort of
• 46:22
  stuff in public, what does it say about how they want to be treated
• 46:25
  in private? And it's hard to believe that the debauched nature of the modern
• 46:30
  woman isn't directly connected to the surge of red pill content creators, as this
• 46:35
  state of affairs clearly isn't fair on young men. All of the onus to
• 46:39
  behave decently has been placed on young men, while young women are encouraged to
• 46:45
  be as libertine as they please. While I wouldn't call them right wing necessarily,
• 46:50
  many of the red pill critiques rest on traditionalist priors, which have been
• 46:54
  formulated into a set of principles extracted from the live realities of the generations which
• 47:00
  before them. The problem when general behaviors are abstracted into principles to be dogmatically
• 47:05
  parroted at people on the Internet is that it all takes on a very artificial
• 47:09
  tone and just comes across as means spirited twitter. Well, okay, so
• 47:17
  what I'm getting from this is that And it just occurred to me that the
• 47:22
  way that women have approached the so called liberation is to strip all of their
• 47:28
  expectations but keep men's. So men still have to provide and men still have
• 47:34
  to be faithful. But apparently they can love, prey, eat love,
• 47:39
  prey, eat, pray, love, you know, and they can do
• 47:43
  all. And I've seen articles justifying every single aspect of negative female behavior,
• 47:49
  and they do it by saying appealing to well, men were allowed to do
• 47:52
  it in some far off fron changri la which never existed. This never exit,
• 47:58
  men were never allowed to do this stuff. They appeal to that in
• 48:00
  order to justify this liberty libertine behavior. At the same time as it feels
• 48:07
  almost like they're doing it to spite patriarchy, and they're not even actually,
• 48:13
  you know, they're not even like hedonism bought. They're not actually enjoying their
• 48:16
  uh, their hedonism. They're just doing it to spite someone else, and
• 48:21
  it's making them for thee for the sake of the relative, without even a
• 48:25
  sense of what it is that makes you happy, which means that they are
• 48:30
  speed running away from their own happiness. But regardless, the point is that
• 48:36
  they are allowed to engage in all of this. This is all justified.
• 48:37
  While men still have to sign up for selective service, they still have to
• 48:44
  work, They still have to take shitty jobs in order to hopefully one day
• 48:49
  be able to afford a family. They still have to do all this.
• 48:51
  They still have to live in a society that doesn't give them services or recognize
• 48:54
  their worth when they're vulnerable like this. This is still all all on men.
• 49:00
  And then what I'm seeing he acknowledges that. But then what we're seeing
• 49:06
  is the rise of red pill bros who are saying, wait, how about
• 49:09
  we do what women did and say we're not going to take part in the
• 49:14
  male role and we're going to expect all of these beat moral behaviors from you,
• 49:19
  but we're not going to apply it to themselves. So this is an
• 49:22
  exact dark through a mirror, darkly reflection of feminism and what and what women
• 49:29
  are doing. And then suddenly we have to be worried about it because they're
• 49:35
  trolling with a ridiculous statement. They're going up there saddling up to a woman
• 49:38
  with a shit eating grin and saying, hey, lady, what if you
• 49:43
  voted to remove your vote? What? Then I'm like and then she's like
• 49:47
  freaking out, and and I'm looking at this and I'm like, nobody's gonna
• 49:52
  say the obvious here. We're all gonna go with with Oh my god,
• 49:57
  somehow this guy is going to project his thrall and force her to do it,
• 50:00
  and we have to react to that, like that's that itself is an
• 50:05
  insulting framework as far as I'm concerned as a woman. That's insulting for me.
• 50:09
  For people to expect me to get bothered by that, well, it
• 50:14
  just goes to show like what, like how accustomed to not being even trolled
• 50:20
  women are that when they are, they take it really seriously. Like it's
• 50:24
  like, you know, it's it's like if a child is protected from in
• 50:31
  disease and infection and harm from the mother until they become and they're like a
• 50:38
  dysfunctional child and they go out into the world and they catch cold and it
• 50:43
  basically like kills kills them because they didn't develop anything. Well, think about
• 50:46
  it, no no resilience. Yeah, that's it. Like in order to
• 50:52
  get upset at this, in order to you're encouraging women to get upset at
• 50:58
  this instead of telling them step back and think about it. Develop some mental
• 51:04
  resilience here instead of instead of buying into this nonsense, Why don't you just
• 51:10
  step back and use a bit of logic, because it honestly is hysterical to
• 51:15
  get upset about this, like it's honestly his Yeah, it's it's it's you
• 51:21
  shouldn't do that, yes, And the people on the right should be encouraging
• 51:25
  women on the right to well, you know what, I I don't want
• 51:30
  to speak for the right because I don't care. I don't care if women
• 51:32
  go to the right. But people should be encouraging normal people who want an
• 51:37
  end to the madness should be telling women step back, don't react emotionally,
• 51:45
  and think it through. Use your adult skills, and just take a moment
• 51:53
  to think about what they're saying. Don't react to it, don't don't don't
• 51:59
  blow because it is of the nature. And I don't know why Sargon's missing
• 52:05
  this. This trolling is of the same form as I wouldn't even rape you.
• 52:10
  Okay, you should not react to it. This is an opportunity to
• 52:15
  develop adult skills and self regulation. I just have to do again. Hey
• 52:24
  lady, what if you voted to get rid of your vote? Okay,
• 52:32
  okay, browbeating young women who don't hate men for not being what amounts to
• 52:37
  willing domestic slaves is not a winning argument, and the hyper masculine way that
• 52:44
  this presents it. Again, I'm just struck by the fact that the fact
• 52:49
  that this is the exact this is the exact reversal, Like they're exactly reversing
• 52:53
  almost like the whole women should abide by all of their old traditional role but
• 53:00
  we should have liberty thing. What does that sound like? Why should I
• 53:05
  get upset at this? Like I'm just like, yeah, this is this
• 53:07
  is this is the outcome. This is the outcome of what women are doing
• 53:13
  moment, at least publicly. I know there's a lot of women forget that,
• 53:19
  but the ones who are going on TikTok that is the attitude. They
• 53:22
  have sex roles for THEE but not for me. Pill bros are going to
• 53:29
  sex roles for THEE and not for me. And then everybody's like, oh
• 53:34
  my god, the red pill bros. Really how about everybody? All y'all,
• 53:38
  all of y'all are fucked? Okay, oh no, did I lose?
• 53:45
  Did we lose? Brian? Hmm? Okay, what's going on?
• 54:00
  I'm back all right? Yeah, it justside just dropped. Can you hear
• 54:05
  me? Yeah? I can hear you. I wonder what this is.
• 54:07
  What's gonna happen with the record? I don't know, but it's still it
• 54:12
  is would be in like two instances or something, just like last time.
• 54:16
  That last time when that happened, it screwed everything up, So you might
• 54:20
  want to stop the recording. And well though, I mean like if I
• 54:23
  could or we can keep going, we could keep going, all right,
• 54:27
  I want to play more of the video. Sorry, this is this is
• 54:30
  a new thing that we're doing, and it's I'm not impressed so far,
• 54:34
  but let's play some more. We'd be off putting for any other young woman
• 54:38
  who is looking at the left with a skeptical eye, and it's curious on
• 54:43
  where else she might find social acceptance and guidance as she moves through her life.
• 54:47
  The Twitter and ons don't come across as rugged, competent, heroic warrior
• 54:52
  monks who will protect their women from the wolves when they're purity testing women on
• 54:58
  Twitter. They come across like resentful internally online in cells, whether that is
• 55:04
  what they are or not. And I would venture that most of the young
• 55:07
  men behind these Twitter accounts are actually not in cells. But they also do
• 55:10
  not have what they most desire, a loving wife and family. And this
• 55:15
  is okay, slight against them, Yeah, go ahead, all right,
• 55:20
  But so I think you got to really consider this. What standard are you
• 55:28
  gonna hold women to? Because you can't have a society and only half the
• 55:32
  race, half the society is held to a standard. Like what's happening now
• 55:38
  is men are still held to a standard. Men are still expected to provide
• 55:42
  for themselves at the very least right and to work towards providing for another person.
• 55:49
  This is a standard that they're held to, that this is an expectation,
• 55:52
  and it's reinforced not just socially, but it's also reinforced in terms of
• 55:58
  what we choose to spend money on. We don't choose to spend money on
• 56:02
  men when they're in trouble, which sends a very significant message to men that
• 56:07
  they're only valuable to us when they perform, when they provide. So this
• 56:13
  pressure is on men, and then you have all of the conscription and all
• 56:15
  the other stuff that tells men that they're expendable, which then you direct them
• 56:22
  towards making money as a way to earn some form of worth. Social worth
• 56:28
  that's still on men. There's still and because that value is still put on
• 56:32
  men, they are still running the utilities now, they are still basically keeping
• 56:39
  society together because we still have those expectations on men. Right, the instant
• 56:46
  UBI comes in, we're screwed, because how the hell is anybody going to
• 56:51
  get anybody to do sewer work? Right, But because you've basically taken away
• 56:55
  that last bit of providership role for men, which is providing for themselves,
• 57:00
  Okay, And because of that asymmetrical pressure, men are more likely to take
• 57:04
  the roles that women don't want. So there's sexuals on men. There's expectations
• 57:09
  on men, both legal and social. You know, they're still there.
• 57:15
  We can't have a society with only half of it pulling in the traces,
• 57:22
  Okay, it's just not going to work long term, particularly since there's an
• 57:28
  implicit there is an implicit contract in men becoming providers, and that is by
• 57:37
  engaging with the system, by engaging with the financial system, developing those resources,
• 57:43
  they have a chance to have a family, and that's becoming it's becoming
• 57:47
  abundantly clear to men that it's this is not the case with this society,
• 57:53
  that this society has no future for them, and that is a bad situation
• 57:59
  for us to be in, because again, they're the ones who are keeping
• 58:01
  it running, and they they are looking at the society and it doesn't matter.
• 58:06
  Like people are like, oh, they get money, that should be
• 58:07
  good enough. It isn't. No, men invest their time and their labor.
• 58:13
  The one thing that they get for free from God or the spaghetti monster
• 58:16
  or nature or Mother Nature is them is their time and their labor. And
• 58:22
  they invest it in a system for a reason. And if that reason isn't
• 58:28
  there, they have every right to no longer invest in the system. We
• 58:32
  don't have any right to expect men to continue to uphold anything in the face
• 58:39
  of our system giving them no assurance, absolutely no assurance that at the end
• 58:45
  of the day they're going to get something out of it, like they're going
• 58:49
  to get a family or at least gratitude. Mm hm. Like I mean,
• 58:54
  men have gone to war knowing that at the end of the day they're
• 58:57
  more likely to be dead than ever have a family. Out of it.
• 59:00
  But at least they got gratitude for it. At least society said you are
• 59:06
  a hero for this. You know, we don't do anything, We don't
• 59:10
  reward it in any way. We don't even reward it with positive recognition,
• 59:14
  except you know here at Honey Badger Radio, we don't reward men's participation in
• 59:19
  society with anything. Money. Well, how valuable is money now? It's
• 59:23
  just printed and it's used to select winners and losers in the financial system like
• 59:31
  it's it's it's a it's another form of nepotism. So money is losing its
• 59:37
  meritocratic value. All right, So I mean this is this is not good.
• 59:42
  And you can say, while we need to attract women to the Republican
• 59:45
  Party, Well, first of all, maybe what's attracting women to the left
• 59:51
  isn't necessarily the license. It's the responsibility for the vulnerable classes that the left
• 59:57
  identifies. But also, so what is it what standard are you going to
• 1:00:02
  hold women to? And if you are falling down the rabbit hole of we
• 1:00:08
  can hold women to no standard, right we and we constantly compensate for women
• 1:00:15
  choosing things that are bad for them. You know, we're constantly giving them
• 1:00:22
  safety nets. I mean, then you're basically just the left, or you're
• 1:00:27
  not even the left. You're the left without even a framework for women to
• 1:00:31
  take responsibility for something outside of themselves. You're like the super left. You're
• 1:00:37
  the super left. Well, you're the left and the super left. I
• 1:00:43
  was gonna say, I was gonna say that. So Carl was saying that
• 1:00:47
  what would a young woman who is not interested in the left be like,
• 1:00:54
  you know, you might drive her away with this rhetoric. Again, this
• 1:01:00
  brings me back to what I said before. What that suggests to me is
• 1:01:05
  that women are not If Carl's right, then the problem is that women are
• 1:01:12
  looking to see what these entities bring to the table, which is the thing
• 1:01:19
  they ca Yeah, which, but this is the thing that he was against
• 1:01:24
  when guys would say what do you bring to the table? And the problem
• 1:01:30
  with this thinking is that women shouldn't be saying what does this party have to
• 1:01:35
  offer me? Women should be saying what do I have to offer to society?
• 1:01:39
  This is what this is the difference between ultimately the way that these men
• 1:01:45
  that he is talking about are seeing the world because the expectations on men have
• 1:01:51
  not changed, so they're not saying like some of them are starting to say,
• 1:01:54
  well what do I get out of it? But mostly they're like,
• 1:01:58
  well here's what I'm going to do. And women are, according to him
• 1:02:02
  anyway, saying well what are you going to give me? And it's like,
• 1:02:05
  no, it's not about what I'm gonna give you. It's about what
• 1:02:07
  you have to offer, because we're all trying to build something. If you
• 1:02:12
  want to live in a better world, then you can't look around to see
• 1:02:15
  who's offering you something. You have to say, this is what I have
• 1:02:20
  to contribute as a woman. There's your heroic narrative, right, what do
• 1:02:23
  you have to offer? So I was at when I was at church this
• 1:02:29
  Sunday, we had Palm Sunday. And I'm telling you this because there was
• 1:02:34
  this guy that I'm I know, he's I no, no his name,
• 1:02:37
  He's one of the guys he goes there regularly. And he's like this really
• 1:02:42
  big, tall, you know, dude, like almost like a man Ogre
• 1:02:46
  type. And I don't mean this as an insult. I'm just giving you
• 1:02:49
  a sense of this big, this gigantic guy. Right, and he's got
• 1:02:53
  long hair, but he's like bald on top. You know, and he's
• 1:02:57
  got a big beard and his eyes are a little bit crazy, but he's
• 1:03:00
  really like friendly and smiles off and he just has an unfortunate appearance, right,
• 1:03:06
  And I was he just, yeah, he has a look you know
• 1:03:10
  that like would scare people off if they didn't know that. He was like
• 1:03:15
  going to church and he sings in the choir. He's like the gentle giant
• 1:03:17
  archetype. And I'm saying this because as we were leaving, he was standing
• 1:03:22
  by the door and he said goodbye to us and he said, how are
• 1:03:24
  you guys doing And we were weh, yeah, we're good, you know.
• 1:03:28
  And I said how are you and he was like, oh, yeah,
• 1:03:30
  I'm doing good, you know, And he said something about despite being
• 1:03:35
  a garbage man. He was like, well, you know, I'm just
• 1:03:36
  I'm a garbage man. So and I was like, don't ever and I
• 1:03:39
  told him, I said, don't ever say that, like that is an
• 1:03:43
  extremely important job and I'm very grateful that people like you do it. And
• 1:03:47
  I had to make a point to say that to him because I don't think
• 1:03:50
  a lot of people do. And he smiled at me and he was like,
• 1:03:53
  oh, you know, like really, I was like, Yeah,
• 1:03:55
  dude, if you weren't taking out the garbage, we'd all be dead because
• 1:04:00
  of the disease that would spread, you know what I mean, Like,
• 1:04:02
  like what you do is absolutely important. He's this garbage man and and I
• 1:04:08
  mean he looks like a garbage man, but but he was. I was
• 1:04:12
  like, yeah, like I'm sure that he doesn't get to hear that very
• 1:04:15
  often, you know, So no, yeah, go ahead. Well,
• 1:04:20
  like you said, like, you're right, it is. How are you
• 1:04:23
  to be of use? And here's the other thing. We have a lot
• 1:04:27
  to fix. And do you really want to appeal to women who look look
• 1:04:30
  in the world in terms of what they get out of it? Yeah,
• 1:04:34
  because we're rapidly getting to a situation where it's not going to be about what
• 1:04:41
  you get out of it, because we're not going to be getting much out
• 1:04:43
  of it. Like that's what happens when a breeding colony collapses. The productivity
• 1:04:46
  goes down. Yeah, you know it's so what I'm trying to get at
• 1:04:51
  is I can tell you what appeals to me. I mean, I know
• 1:04:56
  I don't represent a hell of a lot of women, but maybe I'm somebody
• 1:04:59
  who's worth being appealed to. You know, you know what they're getting it.
• 1:05:03
  And what appeals to me is a knowing that I'm protecting something, right,
• 1:05:13
  And I think, and I maybe this is why I see that when
• 1:05:15
  I look at the liberal women, I see what they're doing. They are
• 1:05:18
  protecting something, and they want a heroic narrative. And maybe they want a
• 1:05:25
  narrative that's a bit more bigger than it was for women before, because before
• 1:05:29
  it's like, oh, you protect the I mean, I would say that
• 1:05:32
  protecting the God child is a pretty big heroic narrative. But let's get out
• 1:05:38
  of the religious element. I mean, maybe before protecting just a child isn't
• 1:05:45
  enough. Maybe they want a more a larger heroic narrative and take part in
• 1:05:49
  that. I mean, is that so bad? And so I see that
• 1:05:54
  among the liberals when they're when they're doing this with this infant class. But
• 1:05:58
  at the same time, I also see that there's a big mistake being made
• 1:06:02
  because the people that they're turning into the monolithic infant class are adults, and
• 1:06:09
  adults can't be treated like that without being turned into monsters. Right, So
• 1:06:15
  they need also need that the recognition that their moral actions are significant and matter,
• 1:06:21
  and they don't get that when when you know, the liberal women are
• 1:06:26
  indulging their heroic fantasy about protecting the vulnerable. But that's the thing, Like
• 1:06:30
  that appeals to me that I know that I am being responsible, that I
• 1:06:38
  am self moderating, like that whole thing with the being trolled by repeal the
• 1:06:44
  Nineteenth. Well, I mean, really, so you're saying I'm going to
• 1:06:46
  vote to remove my vote? I mean I don't. I honestly, I'm
• 1:06:49
  terrible because I only ever really vote whatever Jonathan tells me to vote. But
• 1:06:58
  like no, because like generally people in marriages are probably going to vote the
• 1:07:02
  same, Like why would you be married to somebody who has, like,
• 1:07:05
  you know, my opposite views? So it almost well, I mean the
• 1:07:10
  thing is that he's he's more concerned about that local stuff, right, Like
• 1:07:14
  sure, I'm much like more I don't know, maybe the big philosophical underlying
• 1:07:18
  picture, And he's like, yeah, but we got to vote for these
• 1:07:21
  people because they're not insane, you know, And I'm okay with I just
• 1:07:25
  go with that. Yeah, And I'm just so what I'm saying, vote
• 1:07:29
  the same, So it's not really weird. Well they yeah, or they
• 1:07:33
  just vote together like which which actually gives me to my other point, like,
• 1:07:38
  Okay, well, actually I might reserve this for the end. But
• 1:07:42
  my final part of this is I'm a woman. Should you not try to
• 1:07:45
  appeal to women like me? Because they're more than just me out there who
• 1:07:49
  are like this. We want to feel we we we are attracted to that
• 1:07:54
  heroic narrative at the same time as we would prefer something a little bit more
• 1:07:59
  raretional and long term sustainable than going after like the like the tiny, tiny
• 1:08:05
  minorities and trying to reshape society so that they live in a cradle, you
• 1:08:12
  know, you know what I mean, Like they live all laws, powder
• 1:08:15
  their ass and everything, and we see that as not being functional long term.
• 1:08:19
  But hey, maybe it be nice to have a heroic narrative too,
• 1:08:24
  you know, maybe that would be nice like Showgun. All right, okay,
• 1:08:28
  sorry, show I will say that show Yeah, very good. I
• 1:08:31
  was gonna say something about it, but I'll just I'll save it for the
• 1:08:34
  end. I want to mention something about Vainglory and and women, mostly like
• 1:08:41
  liberal women acting this way because it's more about how they are seen rather than
• 1:08:46
  what they do. But I will play more of this society is set up
• 1:08:51
  for them not only to fail, but to suffer in the process, to
• 1:08:57
  be humiliated, to slow some single white male dog's body carrying the privileged minority
• 1:09:05
  classes above them while they are tongue lashed by their burden about their privilege.
• 1:09:12
  It's a terrible thing. And I do not blame them at all for being
• 1:09:15
  angry with this situation, and it isn't surprising that they have arrived at the
• 1:09:18
  point where they are not willing to regulate themselves over the issues. However,
• 1:09:23
  it's unhealthy to see women as the enemy. I'm saying that modern women arennecessarily
• 1:09:30
  respectable, but acting as if women just need to be put into a handmade's
• 1:09:33
  tail situation is not well you consider this again. So this is kind of
• 1:09:44
  like responding to LARPing. Yeah, exactly, Like it's this is what I
• 1:09:49
  have to say. There was an individual in my comments who said something like,
• 1:09:54
  oh, these men are out there and they're saying that men are gonna
• 1:09:57
  put us in our place. And I'm like, well, but that's in
• 1:09:59
  your framework. Like, that's your framework is that men control the horizontal and
• 1:10:04
  the vertical and they decide what rights women have. I mean, in my
• 1:10:09
  framework, it's far more complex than that, far more complex. But in
• 1:10:13
  your framework, it really is men who decide everything. So these guys are
• 1:10:16
  saying, well, what if we did this? I mean, you're we're
• 1:10:19
  letting you act in terrible ways to us. Well, what if we did
• 1:10:24
  this instead? That's what I'm seeing. It's like, well, first of
• 1:10:28
  all, if you could do it, I'm pretty sure you would have already.
• 1:10:32
  But if men could do it, I'm pretty sure they would have already.
• 1:10:36
  So it's sort of an empty threat. But also it again, it
• 1:10:42
  only exists in the framework that women are using to Lambast Like he talks about
• 1:10:45
  tongue tongue lashing, right, the framework of the Mahanmaiden's tail is a framework
• 1:10:50
  of tongue lashing men. And these men are turning around and saying, but
• 1:10:55
  what if we took away rights? Because they're being lashed and abused by this
• 1:11:00
  framework, And now they're turning around and using the framework to give a bit
• 1:11:04
  back from what they're getting. Right, step out of the framework, and
• 1:11:10
  this is all like I'm outside that framework. Men don't oppress women. The
• 1:11:14
  Handmaid's Tale is ridiculous, not the least of which it's based on a biblical
• 1:11:17
  story. That's about the sexual exploitation of a man, which just somehow,
• 1:11:24
  Margaret would a feeling compel that there is a not insignificant portion of the female
• 1:11:31
  population that actually has a sexual fantasy about this situation. I yees, sure,
• 1:11:39
  I mean I think that there iss Yeah, I think that there is
• 1:11:43
  like a it's almost like become you know, Sox's like something. It's so
• 1:11:48
  like they make it so scary that it's arousing, And I know it sounds
• 1:11:53
  weird, but I think a lot of things are scare women arouse them at
• 1:11:56
  the same time. So this is what I see. I see to have
• 1:12:00
  framed men cartoonishly, and they have said that this, that the Handmaiden's tale
• 1:12:04
  is what men want, right, and that they can do it at any
• 1:12:08
  moment. So they inculcate a sense of fear in women and that's their framework.
• 1:12:13
  And these guys then turn around and say, well, hey, that's
• 1:12:16
  what I want and I can do it at any moment. Yeah, And
• 1:12:19
  I'm like yeah, but also they've just said exactly what you said about them.
• 1:12:26
  So who's who's lying here? I mean, we're we're at the like
• 1:12:29
  the the whole uh one one person in front of the one guard in front
• 1:12:32
  of the door is lying and the other one tells, always tells the truth.
• 1:12:35
  Yeah, Okay, which is it? Which is it? Feminists?
• 1:12:39
  Are you lying about men's nature and their ability? Because when men turn around
• 1:12:44
  and say, hey, that's what I want to do and I got the
• 1:12:46
  ability, you act like you've just seen a sasquatch. Oh my god,
• 1:12:54
  I can't believe you would dare really, because you've been telling men that's what
• 1:12:58
  they are for two generals and then suddenly men pop out and say, well
• 1:13:02
  that's what we are, and you're like, oh, how dare how dare
• 1:13:06
  you become what we told you you are? Okay? Who's lying? Okay?
• 1:13:13
  And which liar is more concerning? Should we be more concerned with the
• 1:13:16
  liar who is in a non on Twitter, or more concerned about the liar
• 1:13:21
  who is embedded in academia, government media, in elementary schools, you know,
• 1:13:30
  in in libraries, the liar who is engaging in campaigns of censorship and
• 1:13:35
  demonization? Like, which liar should we be worried about? Yep, all
• 1:13:42
  right, I've chosen the liar that concerns me most. Mm hmm. Yeah,
• 1:13:48
  Well, I think that the States are slightly different. Right, all
• 1:13:53
  right, let's play, But also again before we go on, I just
• 1:13:57
  want to I want to drive this into the ground again. Feminists said,
• 1:14:01
  when men want handmaiden's tail and they have the power to do it, and
• 1:14:05
  the black the red pill bros stood up and said, we want the handmaid's
• 1:14:11
  tail and we have the power to do it. And then suddenly everybody's running
• 1:14:15
  around with their head like a chicken with their heads cut off. Well,
• 1:14:17
  who was lying? Who's lying here? Okay? Actually, and doesn't tend
• 1:14:25
  to bring them around to a right wing way of thinking. And I really
• 1:14:28
  don't care. An argument that Twitter is a male coded gladiatorial arena in which
• 1:14:32
  women have no business either, whether it's true, who wants to be part
• 1:14:40
  of the dialogue uses Twitter? If you want to have male only spaces in
• 1:14:43
  which people can engage in verbal spiring matches, go ahead. But Twitter isn't
• 1:14:45
  a male only space. It's a very very public space. And wow,
• 1:14:51
  you know, yeah, you know, if men had a space where they
• 1:14:55
  could like talk to each other, that's a really good idea, very novel.
• 1:14:58
  Let's try that. Will wait, every time men fall in space,
• 1:15:02
  women invade it and destroy it and eat it from the inside out because they
• 1:15:05
  don't like the fact that men are talking to each other. Oh well,
• 1:15:10
  I guess we'll just not have that and then men will just have to talk
• 1:15:14
  about whatever they feel on Twitter. Maybe, like I don't know, maybe
• 1:15:17
  men shouldn't give a fuck about what women think on Twitter. How about that?
• 1:15:20
  How about if you don't want to hear what men have to say,
• 1:15:24
  you mute them, or you block them, or whatever the hell you do,
• 1:15:28
  but leave Twitter alone. How about how about how about there it's a
• 1:15:30
  wild idea. I know, it's a wild idea, letting men talk to
• 1:15:34
  each other. Like I mean, I'm sorry, but like I don't care
• 1:15:43
  that gotcha. Look, I forget it. I'm done. I just think
• 1:15:46
  it's no, it's a really good point. It's a good point. It's
• 1:15:49
  like, well, you know, sure this is this is if there's a
• 1:15:54
  place for men to talk to each other like men talk to each other,
• 1:15:58
  that's totally legitimate and isn't going to be taken and over by sweet Baby inc.
• 1:16:01
  And used into a to create a vehicle for their ideology. Sure that,
• 1:16:05
  then you have a point. But here's the problem. There isn't such
• 1:16:10
  a thing, nor is there allowed to be such a thing. Yeah,
• 1:16:12
  and also Brian is absolutely right. Yeah, like, what what do you
• 1:16:16
  want? You want? You're calling to make the atmosphere on Twitter more female
• 1:16:20
  friendly, to make men moderate themselves based on women's feelings, right, okay,
• 1:16:28
  because red pill bros will drive women away from the Republican Party or the
• 1:16:32
  right even though they don't really have anything to do with each other. Like,
• 1:16:36
  because this is what this is what it looks like to me. This
• 1:16:41
  is what it looks like to me. A couple is walking down the street.
• 1:16:44
  Some dufus, like drunk ass dufis starts to harass the woman. This
• 1:16:49
  is the red pill bro, Oh my, what if you voted to repeal
• 1:16:54
  your you're right to vote? Lay? And then she's like eyeing the man
• 1:16:59
  beside her, which is the I guess the dude, not even the normal
• 1:17:03
  dude, just somebody who wants women to be on the right, someone who
• 1:17:08
  wants women to be attracted to something other than men. See do you get
• 1:17:12
  that? Like that's the other thing that's really frustrating about this framing. I
• 1:17:15
  want the right to be attractive to women, Well, who cares? I
• 1:17:18
  want women to be attractive to men or to attract men to be attractive to
• 1:17:24
  women. That's what I want women to be attracted to. But regardless,
• 1:17:28
  So we got this this dude who's I guess the Republican and his girlfriend is
• 1:17:32
  being harassed by the red pill guys, and she's like looking at him and
• 1:17:35
  she's like, if you don't do something, I'm going to leave you.
• 1:17:39
  That's what this is, m right. It has nothing to do like,
• 1:17:43
  Okay, fine, if you want to do that, that's fine. Yeah,
• 1:17:47
  but that just makes you the super left. Yeah, but if you're
• 1:17:49
  the left without any sense of responsibility for women. If a woman was ready
• 1:17:55
  to like not support you because some random person made you feel uncomfortable online,
• 1:18:00
  guess what, she was never really interested in supporting you to begin with,
• 1:18:03
  because that that means that she has nothing but her whims making these decisions.
• 1:18:11
  So it's like, do you want someone like that on your side that will
• 1:18:15
  like just turn on you like exactly, Like it's like, this is what
• 1:18:19
  I'm saying, Like this is such a It's so obviously a trap because women
• 1:18:27
  are saying, be nice to us at all times, otherwise we're going to
• 1:18:30
  turn on you. Well it's like, well, then you're not really on
• 1:18:31
  my side, like, you're this is all make sure all of these other
• 1:18:36
  dudes over there who have no relation to you are nice to me too,
• 1:18:40
  right, Well, but they're lumping it all in together anyway, so it's
• 1:18:44
  it's essentially the same, essentially, right, and that's it. Like,
• 1:18:47
  and it's like, well, why, like what what do you I'm sorry,
• 1:18:51
  lady, but but what what? Why are you here if if you're
• 1:18:56
  not going to be a part of a solution, like if you're aware of
• 1:19:00
  the of everything that's happening in the world, and you're like, man,
• 1:19:02
  I feel like I should get involved in some fashion because I don't like where
• 1:19:06
  this is going. And I'm hoping to have kids one day, and I'm
• 1:19:09
  hoping that my children will have like a future, And well what do I
• 1:19:13
  do? And then you're like, well, I guess I'll look I'll look
• 1:19:15
  at this and the oh those guys are being mean. Well, I'm gonna
• 1:19:17
  vote against it and destroy the country because I'm mad at them because they said
• 1:19:21
  mean things. And that's like, well, then you weren't. You'd never
• 1:19:25
  had any principles to begin with, So you're useless to us, is what
• 1:19:30
  I'm saying. You're useless to uyes like, so, I'm sorry, but
• 1:19:33
  like women are gonna happen who put themselves first? Yeah, are useless?
• 1:19:39
  Yes, in building anything like that. I mean yes, to a certain
• 1:19:43
  degree. They have a right to be, to have their own self interest,
• 1:19:45
  like to take care of them whatever. But if they put themselves first
• 1:19:49
  like this, they're not gonna help you build anything, exactly right, And
• 1:19:54
  and again like, am I not a woman? Do women like me not
• 1:19:58
  count? Like? Just no? Somebody like, well, how do we
• 1:20:00
  appeal to women who actually want to live by principles and have resilience? Everybody?
• 1:20:05
  Send Alison a tweet saying that she should vote to repeal the nineteenth even
• 1:20:11
  though she's not American, And then like see how she reacts. All right,
• 1:20:15
  I'm gonna play more of the video. As I have learned firsthand,
• 1:20:18
  you should watch what you say on it very carefully, because everyone can and
• 1:20:24
  probably will see it. The problem that the center right women have is that
• 1:20:29
  right wing and noons are not wrong in their critiques of modern womanhood. Their
• 1:20:33
  complaints have teeth, and the women themselves know it. In many cases,
• 1:20:39
  these women themselves will be ashamed of at least some of their past behavior and
• 1:20:44
  wish they had made better choices, but the past cannot be changed, and
• 1:20:47
  the internet is forever so berating women for the same mistakes, even after they
• 1:20:53
  may have mended their ways, keeps them trapped in the same horrible place.
• 1:20:58
  And it's not some anyone wants them. Like wait wait, wait, wait,
• 1:21:01
  wait wait wait wait, who's trapping women in that horrible place? I
• 1:21:08
  guess red pill bros. Bringing up women's do you even think that they're shaming?
• 1:21:14
  Is worse than the horrible place that women are in now. I mean,
• 1:21:16
  like women's mental health is doing a nose dive, and among all the
• 1:21:21
  women who have suddenly turned by that, the amount of sexual and domestic violence
• 1:21:27
  is skyrocketing, Like, and they're finding out what it's like to date people
• 1:21:31
  who who say, well, I'm the table. And when you have two
• 1:21:34
  people saying well, I'm the table in a relationship, how healthy that ends
• 1:21:38
  up being? But regardless, like who's trapping women in these circumstances, it's
• 1:21:44
  their choices that are doing that. Yeah, okay, I mean, like
• 1:21:46
  women make choices, and those choices have consequences, have consequences, Like again,
• 1:21:53
  like what women do you want appeal to here? All right? Like,
• 1:21:57
  are you just gonna endlessly appeal to women who create more and more think
• 1:22:01
  problems for you to fix? Oh goodness, that's why this is, isn't
• 1:22:05
  it Because men identify with fixing problems, So women who create more problems are
• 1:22:13
  much more attractive. I suppose, okay, let's keep going wonder then that
• 1:22:17
  right wing women might drift leftwards over time if right wing men shame them for
• 1:22:24
  their past behavior in a feminist culture, why wouldn't they be drawn to the
• 1:22:29
  movement that will liberate them from the tyranny of judgment? But I think women
• 1:22:33
  are naturally drawn towards They're naturally drawn leftwards. That's why there is a left
• 1:22:40
  because it's a feminine way of you in the world, about caring for people
• 1:22:44
  and not judging people, and lifting people up and protecting them and liberating them
• 1:22:49
  and securing them and keeping them feeling safe. These are all feminine traits.
• 1:22:54
  This is why most women period lean that way, like generally, you know,
• 1:23:00
  like there are very few women that don't, So you're not going to
• 1:23:05
  Men can't easily sell women on liberty because women value security too much, And
• 1:23:16
  that's really where the conflict is at. This is why Karen has always said
• 1:23:20
  that the Libertarian Party has to be very careful about letting women in and be
• 1:23:29
  very discerning, because women like Hannah Cox, by the way, will join
• 1:23:34
  the party and say, oh, yeah, I read miss and I know
• 1:23:39
  I know about you know, I know about Locke, and I know about
• 1:23:42
  free markets. But they're gonna go in there and they're gonna start talking about
• 1:23:45
  misogyny, and they're gonna start talking about rape culture, they're gonna start talking
• 1:23:47
  about feeling unsafe, and you're just gonna lose everything. And that's already starting
• 1:23:53
  to happen. So the problem, Carl, is that this is the nature
• 1:23:57
  of women you're fighting. You're not just you're not just making general statements about
• 1:24:00
  this is what the left is and this is what the right is. You
• 1:24:03
  are dealing with biological, evolved traits that women have that place them in this
• 1:24:10
  position to value these things more than these the things that men tend to value.
• 1:24:15
  And the only way to rectify that is to put women in a situation
• 1:24:19
  where the things that they want, security, stability, et cetera. Are
• 1:24:24
  provided to them by men instead of the state, Because if they don't get
• 1:24:29
  it from men, they're going to get it from the state, and that's
• 1:24:30
  where their leftist tendencies come in. And of course, power hungry status types
• 1:24:36
  would love to have women dependent on them so that they can continue to grow
• 1:24:41
  their power. So this is where the conflict is. You are fundamentally going
• 1:24:45
  against female nature when you ask that men somehow sell them on this thing that's
• 1:24:51
  called liberty or freedom. And when I say liberty, I mean from the
• 1:24:55
  state. I don't mean feminist liberty. And that's going to be a really
• 1:25:00
  hard sell. It's actually going to be a bit of a contradiction unless women
• 1:25:04
  can take their security from men instead of a state. I'm going to ask
• 1:25:13
  if the problem, and I think the problem is like I think he's recognizing
• 1:25:16
  that there's a problem in with women's behavior and it's not sustainable. Okay,
• 1:25:20
  well, if the problem is women's behavior, how can the solution be don't
• 1:25:27
  mention it at all? Yeah, Like, like this is the thing,
• 1:25:32
  Like it feels like this is a sort of an all over the place statement.
• 1:25:39
  He recognizes that women are being degenerates. He recognizes, like what does
• 1:25:44
  degeneracy do to a society? It destroys it, like true degeneracy. Not
• 1:25:48
  just he does me, but this this kind of degeneracy, which is almost
• 1:25:53
  like self flagellation. It's like you're not even enjoying yourself, Like, I
• 1:25:59
  mean, if you're gonna be degenerate, can you at least enjoy yourself,
• 1:26:01
  because that's not what's happening here. You're doing it to spite someone else,
• 1:26:06
  which has to be the most degenerate thing you could possibly do, to be
• 1:26:11
  degenerate in order to spite someone else. Okay, this kind of attitude is
• 1:26:15
  destructive. And even more, it's let's just set aside women's behavior, because
• 1:26:20
  I don't think slutty behavior is necessarily as bad as it could. You know,
• 1:26:25
  people make it out to be necessarily, But let's set aside that.
• 1:26:29
  The real behavior that's destructive, in my opinion, is that women have constructed
• 1:26:36
  a social meleeu in which men no longer think they can be loved. That's
• 1:26:43
  what's really destructive. And if you can't call women out on that, well
• 1:26:47
  you're not doing much of anything, right, You're not doing much of anything.
• 1:26:55
  So you really have to ask yourself what standards are you gonna hold women
• 1:26:59
  too? Because from my look throughout history, if a society doesn't hold women
• 1:27:05
  to any standards. It doesn't last very long. Yeah, right, it
• 1:27:12
  just doesn't. So we gotta ask ourselves what standards are we gonna hold women
• 1:27:16
  too? And if this is the answer from the right, I honestly think
• 1:27:23
  that he needs to consider that maybe women are drifting leftward because at least there
• 1:27:27
  is some moral authority over them, and that is intersectionality. Because if this
• 1:27:32
  is the answer to the right, well let's just let's shame them even less.
• 1:27:35
  Because honestly, if you think about it, just the red pill bro
• 1:27:40
  shaming that would have been done by church communities like thirty years ago, right,
• 1:27:46
  yeah, that would have been done by other women thirty years ago.
• 1:27:49
  That would have been done by general society thirty years ago, like they wouldn't
• 1:27:54
  have liked this behavior, and they would have been vocal about it. And
• 1:27:57
  now it's just red pill boro bro's doing it. I mean, what what
• 1:28:01
  have you? What are you left with? Then you're taking every conservative value
• 1:28:05
  and saying, no, we don't have to actually overtly apply that to women
• 1:28:10
  or hold them to it. We can't punish them for that because that'll push
• 1:28:13
  them left. So what are you going to be? You're going to become
• 1:28:16
  the left? Like I said, the super left, you're going to become
• 1:28:18
  the left without any kind of moral framework for women to live up to,
• 1:28:24
  They'll just be basting in this shameless void. Like, do you get what
• 1:28:32
  I'm saying? I know that I sound like I'm insulting that right. No,
• 1:28:34
  No, I understand what you're saying. I get it. I want
• 1:28:39
  to get through the rest of the video. Okay, Oh that's what the
• 1:28:42
  stress is. Okay. Problem the center right women have is that they can't
• 1:28:45
  simply live in the fancy play park of centrist liberalism forever. And at some
• 1:28:49
  point we'll even need to mature out of it or commit to it. And
• 1:28:55
  the right is making it very difficult to mature out of it and very easy.
• 1:28:59
  Not the right, it's just the red pill bros. To it again,
• 1:29:02
  tation does matter, and again again, like thirty years ago, the
• 1:29:08
  shaming would have come from the general community, right, not the red pill
• 1:29:13
  bros. So what are you saying here? All? Right? Then we
• 1:29:18
  ought to consider what representatives we hold up as models of womanhood and then begin
• 1:29:24
  from where we are to create a path to where we want to be.
• 1:29:29
  This means that purity testing just has to stop, because nobody is pure.
• 1:29:34
  We are all a product of a debauched culture that got to us the moment
• 1:29:39
  we came out of the womb, raised us in sin and tainted us,
• 1:29:43
  probably irredeemably. If we want to improve things, appealing to a perfect and
• 1:29:48
  non existent state is just silly and unreflective of the real world in which we
• 1:29:54
  all live. Beginning to where we are and taking sensible steps forward, one
• 1:30:00
  off for another in the right direction is the only way to climb out of
• 1:30:03
  this mess. Okay, but how are you going to make women take those
• 1:30:11
  steps without holding them to a standard at least of moving in the right direction,
• 1:30:15
  Like, you can't get away from this, And I don't think you.
• 1:30:20
  I don't think can't that this is a purity test. I think that
• 1:30:25
  I think that what these red pill burrows would be satisfied with would be like
• 1:30:30
  a smidgeon of humility from women that would have been I think that's like,
• 1:30:35
  that's like the beginning. You say that was wrong. I know, crazy,
• 1:30:42
  but that's how it starts. Here's the thing, Like, here's the
• 1:30:45
  other thing. Yeah, the red pill borrows are what they are, Like
• 1:30:48
  they're just out there and they're a product of feminism. Essentially, and the
• 1:30:53
  social condemnation of men and not giving them any way to differentiate themselves except become
• 1:30:57
  that well, they're going to force the conversation like all right, well,
• 1:31:02
  if you don't want to deal with us, ladies, you deal with them
• 1:31:06
  the end, like you you deal with them, or you listen to us,
• 1:31:12
  and we'll tell you how to walk away from what they're saying with your
• 1:31:16
  head held high, you know, be like, oh, yes, I
• 1:31:18
  take I'll take your consideration. You know, i'll vote to I'll consider your
• 1:31:24
  proposal that I vote to remove my vote. And that is a first step
• 1:31:30
  towards the kind of self self reliance that an event invent eventually might get women
• 1:31:36
  to the point of being like, how can I help others? How can
• 1:31:40
  I serve society? It starts with that kind of self moderation, like being
• 1:31:45
  able to control yourself when people are trolling you, right, being able to
• 1:31:48
  say, hey, I don't need to respond to that, because on its
• 1:31:51
  face it's ridiculous, you see what I'm saying. But that's a step.
• 1:31:56
  That's a step towards becoming the kind of woman who says, hey, how
• 1:32:00
  do I pitch in? You get what I'm saying Brian, yeah, is
• 1:32:05
  to actually like the red pill bros are the force that will drive women either
• 1:32:14
  to continue to expend their emotional energy on their bullshit forever, even though the
• 1:32:18
  red pill brows have absolutely no power for nothing, right, or they grow
• 1:32:25
  up and they start to take responsibility for themselves emotionally and say hey, yeah,
• 1:32:31
  okay, well I'll take that under advisement. Thank you, moving on
• 1:32:36
  like, yeah, it's not worth it's not worth the emotional effort. But
• 1:32:42
  at the same time as they're forcing women to make that emotional effort until they
• 1:32:46
  grow up and start to establish boundaries around what they need to care about,
• 1:32:50
  and in the process of developing that skill, maybe they'll become a person who
• 1:32:56
  says what can I give the world rather than what can I take from it?
• 1:33:00
  Yeah? See what I'm saying. Those those are the small steps.
• 1:33:03
  Okay, you're getting I mean, okay, I got a super chat from
• 1:33:08
  Albernia retro for two dollars Canadian he says, No, I am fucking defending
• 1:33:13
  Andrew Tabs. Oh wait, no, he didn't say anything about entertaining,
• 1:33:15
  he says, So, wait did Sargan switch teams? No, he's I
• 1:33:18
  mean, he's still the same guy, and I don't have I still like
• 1:33:21
  him, but yeah, what I mean, I'm just sort of like saying,
• 1:33:26
  you know, here's some things you probably have not considered, and it's
• 1:33:30
  it's always the same stuff, because I know it's hard. I know it's
• 1:33:32
  hard to like, you know, to hold him in accountable. And also
• 1:33:40
  when Carl talks like strategies, he usually isn't thinking about like the bigger picture.
• 1:33:45
  I remember years ago when we first started talking to him, one of
• 1:33:49
  the first strategies he proposes that we not call ourselves men's rights activists and we
• 1:33:55
  call ourselves something he did. But that's my point is that that was his
• 1:33:59
  first thing that he was banging on, is you guys should stop calling yourself
• 1:34:01
  men's rights activists. And he was like, he proposed a rebranding like say,
• 1:34:08
  oh, you call yourselves, you know, egalitarians or equalists or something
• 1:34:12
  like that. And I was like, it's not gonna matter, Like this
• 1:34:14
  is not a you know, a label that we chose was chosen for us.
• 1:34:18
  And we just kind of shrugged and said okay, sure and went with
• 1:34:21
  it. And doctor Randavercam met with him, Mike met with if Carl had
• 1:34:27
  a meetup. It was like the first time they ever met, I think,
• 1:34:30
  and I remember the video. They were sitting on in a pub and
• 1:34:32
  they were drinking and Mike said that we're not going to change what like our
• 1:34:40
  name and it's not gonna matter, and you're going to back down from that,
• 1:34:44
  and Carl sr Enough did so I get where he comes from. I
• 1:34:46
  think he thinks about strategy. But sometimes it's just like you're you're not looking
• 1:34:54
  at the bigger picture and we're trying to show you, you know, because
• 1:34:57
  again you're you're trying to create. It's like you have this giant chalkboard with
• 1:35:01
  this huge mathematical formula and women are not in it, and you're like,
• 1:35:05
  why is this not adding up and that? And that's where the problem is.
• 1:35:09
  So yes, well, I mean exactly like, you can't Okay,
• 1:35:14
  you want to have these small steps that women can take to become the not
• 1:35:18
  the ideal but better? Right, Well, how are you going to get
• 1:35:21
  them to take those steps? Right now? I could tell you one way.
• 1:35:26
  It's the red pill, bros. Because you can say, well,
• 1:35:29
  if you want, if you don't want to deal with us, and we
• 1:35:30
  will give you an explanation and we'll give you that framework, you know.
• 1:35:35
  And honestly, I think the people are miss maybe misreading women when they say,
• 1:35:41
  well, it's the license that's giving that's making women go to the left
• 1:35:45
  rather than the moral framework with a serious amount, like the moral framework of
• 1:35:51
  racism, transphobia. That is a serious, serious moral punch. Yeah,
• 1:35:57
  you know you can feel it. I can feel it, and I don't
• 1:36:00
  even like, I'm like, uh, you know, I can feel that
• 1:36:02
  moral punch. There's nothing like that on the conservative side, So God will
• 1:36:09
  judge you. I'm like, Okay, thank you, come again. You
• 1:36:12
  know, like whatever we could there instead of it being like a bludget and
• 1:36:16
  there could be like I said, some there something that has more sustainability that
• 1:36:23
  is not going to be as easy to you know, use, So it's
• 1:36:27
  like the past. But basically the social justice stuff is the dark side.
• 1:36:31
  It's easier, it appears stronger, it's easier to access, but it's not
• 1:36:35
  sustainable, you know. So it's not sustainable because it doesn't include the masculine
• 1:36:41
  virtues. That's literally what it is. Like women want to see or left.
• 1:36:45
  Women want that moral like that they want an infant to take care of
• 1:36:50
  basically, which and all of the attendant compulsion that comes to the moral compulsion
• 1:36:57
  that comes from that. And that's fine, that's their instinct, right,
• 1:37:00
  But it doesn't include the male instinct to nurture autonomy, which needs to be
• 1:37:08
  there too, otherwise it's totally unhealthy. So okay, So anyway, but
• 1:37:14
  my overall point is he's not bringing women. He's not. Okay. There
• 1:37:17
  has to be a standard of expectation to make women somehow. You've got to
• 1:37:21
  make women take those steps towards something better, right, And yeah, I
• 1:37:26
  agree the shaming the red pillbros. Like the amount of shaming they do to
• 1:37:33
  women. I don't know if we shame women so much. Like I definitely
• 1:37:40
  try to look at the things they say and look at the things they do
• 1:37:43
  and point out the illogic of it. But I'm not really for triggering anxieties
• 1:37:48
  around their self worth necessarily, or their beauty or their fertility. Like I'm
• 1:37:56
  not there, I'm not I don't want to do. I don't want I
• 1:37:58
  don't think that's helpful. So that kind of shaming I'm not interested in engaging
• 1:38:02
  in, although I do. I did get on Hannah Cox about our lips,
• 1:38:06
  all right, I'm sorry about that. Guys, it's my great shame
• 1:38:09
  in life. I'm shaming myself, Okay, But anyway, so it's not
• 1:38:13
  I don't necessarily want to get into the shaming of women's age, their fertility,
• 1:38:16
  their looks, and yeah, I understand that bad choices happen, But
• 1:38:24
  are you somebody who's ready to take the plunge into letting go of noxious narratives
• 1:38:32
  like men oppress women? Are you ready to do that? That's how I'll
• 1:38:36
  judge women, because when you're ready to do that, that's a that's a
• 1:38:40
  big step for women. And I think that's why instead of family and men
• 1:38:45
  and children, they're going to trans people and brown people and and gay people
• 1:38:53
  and and and furries. Now, I guess to find there to find that
• 1:38:58
  that moral impetus, like that more moral force in their life, or that
• 1:39:01
  moral framework in their life, because they can't literally, they cannot recognize men's
• 1:39:08
  moral authority because men are seen as morally fallen to a degree that women aren't.
• 1:39:15
  And it's like, and you know what, you can recognize a man's
• 1:39:17
  moral authority in the framework of men's issues, Like men have moral authority because
• 1:39:25
  sometimes they're vulnerable, sometimes they need to be taken care of. Right,
• 1:39:30
  that's a moral authority that people don't realize that because it's it's not something I
• 1:39:34
  think that men are used to. But the reason why the trans people have
• 1:39:39
  moral authority is because they're vulnerable. You know, the reason why we we
• 1:39:45
  serve God is because he's vulnerable in a way to our choices. Right,
• 1:39:51
  I think because if we make the wrong choices, he loses power, or
• 1:39:57
  Satan gains power, he loses power. I don't know how exact works exactly.
• 1:40:00
  That's a lay interpretation. I could be corrected at any point if you
• 1:40:03
  want to cry, but I don't think so. Okay, So we serve
• 1:40:12
  the vulnerable. It's something really profound about us as humans. And by embracing
• 1:40:17
  that vulnerability, I think men gain moral authority. Now, it's going to
• 1:40:21
  take a frickin' frick ton of time for that to really penetrate, but I
• 1:40:29
  think that that's that That is the issue here, is that women are serving
• 1:40:34
  these these forms of vulnerability because they can't. They no longer have like that.
• 1:40:41
  That narrative of men oppressed women is throwing. It's like shutting the door
• 1:40:45
  in their face. On family and relationships with men, on family on children
• 1:40:49
  on community, and as soon as they get rid of that narrative, the
• 1:40:55
  door opens up again. It just opens up and you can walk through and
• 1:41:01
  we can go back to being happy with each other and forming families. And
• 1:41:06
  we don't have to form families like cookie cutter trad con families. We can
• 1:41:13
  form lots of different types of families. As long as we have that framework
• 1:41:18
  of recognizing male moral authority. It's maybe a different type of male moral authority,
• 1:41:26
  but as long as we have it, we'll be fine. We'll be
• 1:41:29
  fine, okay the video, Yes, I would suggest that the right wing
• 1:41:36
  ideal of womanhood is encapsulated in what it is to be a lady. If
• 1:41:43
  right wing men want women to be ladylike and marriageable, then they have to
• 1:41:47
  transmit that message in a way that can point something out they find appealing.
• 1:41:53
  And what is he doing there the painting, Yeah, what's the man doing
• 1:42:00
  is kneeling before her, right, She's knighting him. She's like a princess
• 1:42:05
  king or something. In the process of being knighted. What is he doing
• 1:42:10
  He's making himself vulnerable to her, because that's what that that's what that demonstrates
• 1:42:15
  is like, it's almost a ritual decapitation, So you are submitting yourself.
• 1:42:23
  It's like a dog rolling over on its stomach saying I am vulnerable to you.
• 1:42:29
  Right, that's what's happening there. And he's trusting her with his vulnerability
• 1:42:35
  and she is not abusing it. But that trust is what gains him the
• 1:42:42
  status that she confers upon him. Right, it's interesting. I just wanted
• 1:42:46
  to point that out because it's interesting that this was the choice that was made.
• 1:42:49
  Sure, then cultivate the chivalrous natures which provides honor to women who are
• 1:42:58
  sympathetic to their ideals. It has to be something beautiful. It has to
• 1:43:03
  contain the promise of happiness. If the right is going to attract women,
• 1:43:10
  it has to show them that there is a way that the right as a
• 1:43:14
  whole will honor them. And if right wing women seem to be treated with
• 1:43:17
  kindness and respect, I think they will grow into the form that the right
• 1:43:21
  most desires, and this will ennoble the men themselves. Other women might come
• 1:43:29
  to see the right wing and noons as actually being the heroic guardians of Western
• 1:43:32
  civilization that they wish they were, and support them rather than being disgusted by
• 1:43:38
  their toxic behavior online. Perhaps maybe the damage to male female relations caused by
• 1:43:45
  feminism could begin to be repaired. Yeah, but see without getting rid of
• 1:43:50
  feminism. Well, okay, there's a few things. Go ahead, Okay,
• 1:43:56
  go ahead, I'll let you. No, I was just gonna say,
• 1:43:58
  I don't think he saying that we should keep feminism around. But I
• 1:44:01
  don't know, no, no, no, I know, I know.
• 1:44:03
  I'm just saying, but yeah, feminism is not going to go away unless
• 1:44:08
  you address it. And honestly, like the red pill bros are a reaction
• 1:44:14
  to feminism, and they are a reaction to feminism that's actually forcing the dialogue
• 1:44:17
  to be fair. Now, if you want to say, let's be something
• 1:44:20
  different than them, that's fine, But honestly, okay, I will defend
• 1:44:26
  the red pillbros. They are forcing the dialogue. They are showing feminism.
• 1:44:31
  Feminism basically has said this is what men want, the handmaiden's tail, and
• 1:44:36
  they have the power to get it. And the red pill bros Have stood
• 1:44:40
  up and said, we want the handmaid's tail and we have the power to
• 1:44:43
  get it. And feminists are running around and women are running around with their
• 1:44:45
  heads cut off. Well, something's got to break here, either you have
• 1:44:49
  to acknowledge that that narrative was a convenient lie in order to manipulate men,
• 1:44:59
  or you can in the psychological torture of men calling your bluff right there,
• 1:45:05
  I'm defending that attitude. Yeah, maybe it's something that women need to contend
• 1:45:10
  with. For however long they have essentially tortured the average man with that narrative.
• 1:45:16
  You want the handmaiden's tail, and you can do it. Therefore,
• 1:45:20
  you have to do everything I say, when I say it, how I
• 1:45:24
  say it, and also give me your wallet. Like they've been torturing men
• 1:45:28
  with this nonsense for generations. And finally there's a group of men saying,
• 1:45:31
  oh, yeah, I am this and like nobody could predict this, Like
• 1:45:36
  feminists said, this is all that men are and this is the only way
• 1:45:40
  they can differentiate between men and women and girls. And then some group of
• 1:45:43
  men were like, well, I guess I'll do that, like it's amazing,
• 1:45:46
  and it took this long mm hm, And it's directly their fault.
• 1:45:51
  It's directly feminism's fault. And sure you can say, hey, let's be
• 1:45:57
  in another group of men doing something a little less knock anxious, because it
• 1:46:00
  is noxious, Like what the red pill brows are doing is noxious, what
• 1:46:03
  the feminist did is noxious. It's all noxious. You're all fucked right.
• 1:46:08
  I'm not defending anyone except that it's pushing the dialogue because finally I can say,
• 1:46:13
  well, hey, you can either talk to us and we're gonna talk
• 1:46:15
  to you about responsibility. We're gonna talk to you about fairness and equity.
• 1:46:21
  We're not going to justify anybody's adultery, including men's right. We're gonna talk
• 1:46:27
  about being honorable and just. Or you can go to the red pill borrows,
• 1:46:31
  who will shame every aspect of your life, your choices, your wrinkles,
• 1:46:36
  your ass, your freaking fertility. You can go there and they will
• 1:46:41
  say, no, we want the handmaiden's tail and that's all you're gonna get
• 1:46:44
  from us. You can go there, or you can go with us.
• 1:46:47
  Choose, choose, choose your poison. Right, and again, like I
• 1:46:53
  think that there's a there's I think there's something very much. He has a
• 1:46:57
  point. Like I'm not gonna sit here and say he doesn't a point.
• 1:47:00
  I think he does. There has to be an alternative to the red pill
• 1:47:03
  bros. Right. But on the other hand, unless you want to censor
• 1:47:09
  them, They're there. So unless you're advocating censorship, they're there. They
• 1:47:14
  are a thing the end, They exist, and they're gonna do this as
• 1:47:17
  long as feminists keep pushing this shit. As long as feminists keep pushing the
• 1:47:20
  narrative that men want the Handmaiden's tail and can get it, the red pill
• 1:47:25
  bros Are going to continue to stand up and say I want the handmaid on
• 1:47:28
  sale and I can get it right, and they can can continue to troll
• 1:47:30
  women with their own nonsense. They're going to continue too to call feminism's bluff,
• 1:47:38
  and then we are going to continue to see women who apparently have a
• 1:47:42
  really strong attachment to that narrative for some reason, because I don't like,
• 1:47:48
  I mean literally, you don't have to play this whack a mole game with
• 1:47:53
  these people. With these men. You could just be like, well yeah,
• 1:47:57
  but you don't have the power to do that. So in all so,
• 1:48:00
  most men don't have the desire to do it. So so what like
• 1:48:03
  that's my attitude, Like I know, I have one faith in men that
• 1:48:10
  they do not want the Handmaid's taill, Like most men do not want that.
• 1:48:15
  What they want is whatever will make them feel like that's possible to be
• 1:48:19
  loved by women and again women again, And also men don't have the power
• 1:48:25
  to do it the end, because the narrative is broken, walk away from
• 1:48:30
  it, and they're gonna force women to face this this nonsense over and over
• 1:48:36
  and over again until women can tend with it. That you know what,
• 1:48:41
  the red pill bros are, their feminists, SOMs, Sarah, they're feminist
• 1:48:45
  karma, and I don't feel like we should censor the Internet, so they're
• 1:48:51
  there. Yes, sure, we can be better than that. We can
• 1:48:57
  offer better opportunity. We can offer something clearer, something more sensible, something
• 1:49:01
  more honorable men for women to approach as a standard. But the red pill
• 1:49:08
  rules are there. They're not going anywhere unless we want to censor things.
• 1:49:11
  And I don't want to censor things. So what's the point of this conversation?
• 1:49:15
  You see what I'm getting at? Yeah, yeah, So the other
• 1:49:21
  thing I wanted to point out is I don't care about women being attracted to
• 1:49:26
  the right to the right, or the left, or libertarianism or communism or
• 1:49:29
  capitalism or anything. I'm sorry, guys. I care about women being attracted
• 1:49:32
  to men, full stop. That's what we need to fix, and it
• 1:49:40
  people who are more concerned about attracting women to something other than men. I
• 1:49:45
  don't think they're going to solve this problem. You need to get that in
• 1:49:48
  your head. What we need to fix is women's attraction to men. And
• 1:49:53
  I agree with Sargon. I don't know if he's making this point, but
• 1:49:58
  it's maybe I'm like step on what he's saying, stepping up, you know,
• 1:50:01
  like standing on the point that he's making. But anyway, you can't
• 1:50:05
  shame women into into loving men. You can't shame women into wanting to be
• 1:50:11
  with men. So we got to figure out how to make men attractive in
• 1:50:15
  the circumstances we have. Now that makes sense. I mean, one thing,
• 1:50:23
  it may it may require what men cultivating new whatever, new skills,
• 1:50:26
  new talents. One thing that I think that might be a good option,
• 1:50:31
  and something that seems to have sort of fallen by the wayside storytelling. There
• 1:50:39
  used to be a huge emphasis on storytelling in male culture. Did you do
• 1:50:44
  you know what I'm talking about, Brian? Yeah, of course, like
• 1:50:47
  the tall tales your grandfather would would tell about catching a trout once you know,
• 1:50:51
  that kind of thing. Stories men would teach younger men and boys how
• 1:50:58
  to tell stories. By time stories and through stories, you are able to
• 1:51:03
  develop friendships, You're able to develop community, You're able to explain morality and
• 1:51:10
  wisdom. You're also able to elicit attraction. So I think maybe men might
• 1:51:15
  cultivate that that old aspect of male culture, and that might help to rekindle,
• 1:51:23
  you know, the love affair between men and women. You know,
• 1:51:26
  that may be something something worth looking at, you know, and other things
• 1:51:30
  might might also be beneficial, more creative stuff. But my overall point is
• 1:51:34
  that, yeah, you can't shame women into desiring men. You can't do
• 1:51:39
  that, So that's not gonna be worth that. The red pill bros Are
• 1:51:42
  not going to change that. So yeah, fair enough, but you still
• 1:51:46
  need to have some kind of standard that women need to live up to.
• 1:51:50
  Otherwise you're going to spark these relationships, but they'll go nowhere because women won't
• 1:51:58
  have the skills to be able to maintain. And really the big challenge of
• 1:52:01
  relationship is to accept your mortality. Commitment means accepting your mortality, and that's
• 1:52:10
  frightening. I mean, can you imagine this is the person I'm gonna be
• 1:52:14
  with until I die? Right? That is a scary thought, and you
• 1:52:18
  have to be able to you have to be willing to accept that you're gonna
• 1:52:24
  die. This is the life you got, make the most of it,
• 1:52:28
  you know. And that's that, you know, And that's that's a skill
• 1:52:34
  that women need to develop. It's a self regulation skill and they need to
• 1:52:39
  be held to it, you know. And so that's my thoughts, Like,
• 1:52:43
  and I don't care about attracting women to the right or anything. Really
• 1:52:46
  accept men. That's what we need to do, because that's what we need
• 1:52:50
  to fix, like the right, the left, every all of this stuff
• 1:52:55
  irrelevant if we don't. If our breeding colleague collapses and nobody has anything to
• 1:53:00
  eat and nobody has any heating or lighting or anything, right, we need
• 1:53:04
  to fix the foundation, which is a relationship between men and women. Okay,
• 1:53:09
  that's that's what I basically had to say. I will get off my
• 1:53:12
  soapbox and seed the floor to you. Brian. Well, it's almost nine
• 1:53:15
  and we should end it. So I don't really have anything else to add.
• 1:53:18
  Yep, really did I did? I say everything? But you have
• 1:53:24
  nothing? Well, I just don't want this to go longer. I was
• 1:53:27
  going to read a parable Okay, so I wanted to make a point about
• 1:53:33
  what is being what women are using when they invoke intersectionality, even if it
• 1:53:40
  is a tool that gives them a sense of purpose. I think it's immoral,
• 1:53:46
  and I'm going to explain why. So I'm not saying it is.
• 1:53:50
  I know this past Sunday was Palm Sunday, and there's a story that I
• 1:53:56
  that we you know, was read and I thought it was really interesting because
• 1:54:00
  there were some things about it that I did not know, and I thought
• 1:54:01
  I would share. So please humor me for a moment. This is not
• 1:54:04
  a sermon. I'm just reading a section from the Bible, John twelve one
• 1:54:10
  to eleven. So six days before passover, Jesus came to bethany where Lazarus
• 1:54:16
  lived, whom Jesus had raised from the dead. So Lazarus was the person
• 1:54:19
  who he raised from the dead, hence these references to Lazarus like you might
• 1:54:26
  if you know Batman with the Lazarus pit. Anyway, here a dinner was
• 1:54:30
  given in Jesus' honor. Martha served while Lazarus was among those reclining at the
• 1:54:35
  table with him. Then Mary took about a pint of pure nard and expensive
• 1:54:41
  perfume she poured it on Jesus's feet and wiped his feet with her hair.
• 1:54:45
  This is a very like special, you know, and intimate thing to do
• 1:54:51
  at that time, to anoint people's feet and wipe it with your hair.
• 1:54:57
  And the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume. But one of
• 1:55:00
  his disciples, Judas Iscariot, who was later to betray him, objected,
• 1:55:05
  why wasn't this perfume sold and the money given to the poor. It was
• 1:55:09
  worth a year's wages. This is what Judas said. He did not say
• 1:55:13
  this because he cared about the poor, but because he was a thief.
• 1:55:15
  As keeper of the money bag he used to help himself to what was put
• 1:55:19
  into it. Leave her alone, Jesus replied, it was intended that she
• 1:55:24
  would save this perfume for the day of my burial, so he knew he
• 1:55:28
  was gonna die. You will always have the poor among you, but you
• 1:55:30
  will not always have me. Meanwhile, large crowd of Jews found out that
• 1:55:35
  Jesus was there and came not only because of him, but also to see
• 1:55:39
  Lazarus, whom he had raised from the dead. So the chief priest made
• 1:55:42
  plans to kill Lazarus as well, for on account of him, many of
• 1:55:45
  the Jews were going over to Jesus and believing in him. So I brought
• 1:55:48
  this up because what was interesting, There's more to the story. So like
• 1:55:53
  later on, you know, you probably known about the story where he goes
• 1:55:56
  into town on a donkey and everyone's like fanning him with palm leaves and stuff,
• 1:56:00
  and he essentially gets a welcome into the city as though he was a
• 1:56:06
  king. And the reason for this was because the Jews believed that Jesus was
• 1:56:12
  coming to essentially overthrow the Romans and free the Jews, right, and when
• 1:56:18
  it turned out that that's not what he was there for, because he didn't
• 1:56:21
  want to free them from some earthly you know what, earthly bondage, but
• 1:56:29
  rather, you know, through the New Covenant, some transcendent after life.
• 1:56:32
  You know, I'm gonna let you into the kingdom after this life. Here
• 1:56:36
  they turned on him, and what the priest that said, these are two
• 1:56:43
  things that I thought were really interesting. First of all, Jesus was the
• 1:56:45
  first victim of cancel culture. So and I don't mean that to be funny,
• 1:56:50
  but this is what happened. Like the people were there, they thought
• 1:56:54
  he was gonna do this thing for them. It turned out he didn't,
• 1:56:56
  and then they within a week after that, they were called for his death
• 1:57:00
  and they demanded that Pilot crucify him, and the Romans didn't want to do
• 1:57:04
  it. Pilot said, look, that's not my business, but they made
• 1:57:08
  him do it. So that's one. He was the first victim of cancel
• 1:57:11
  culture ort least the oldest one we know. And the other is this is
• 1:57:14
  really interesting. So what Judas did here, and it's important that it's Judas
• 1:57:18
  because you guys probably know who Judas is. Right, what Judas did here
• 1:57:23
  was he said, hey, you have this really expensive perfume, and you
• 1:57:28
  could have sold that for a certain amount of money and given it to the
• 1:57:30
  poor. Why didn't you do that? Right? And what he was doing
• 1:57:35
  was he was he didn't actually care about the poor. So this is another
• 1:57:40
  thing that's really interesting because Judas was using what is called weaponized compassion, this
• 1:57:45
  idea that like, if you feel this way, you should be made to
• 1:57:48
  do this thing for these people. And this is interesting because our priest said,
• 1:57:57
  this is social justice of that time. So Judas was saying, look,
• 1:58:02
  I care about poor people. You take that you should sell it and
• 1:58:04
  give it to people. Of course, Chrisce said no, because she chose
• 1:58:09
  to do this for me because you know, like I'm not going to be
• 1:58:12
  here. The poor will always exist, he said, the poor will always
• 1:58:15
  be among you. Right, this is true. Right, there are people
• 1:58:17
  who are suffering in the world. But this weaponized compassion is what you could
• 1:58:24
  say, you know, like, this is what these people, like these
• 1:58:30
  women, these feminists use to essentially manipulate us. And this is the most
• 1:58:36
  interesting thing was the priest said that Judas is the only character in the entire
• 1:58:42
  Bible that did that. It's the only one that said, hey, you
• 1:58:46
  should be doing this for these people, like essentially engaging in weaponized compassion.
• 1:58:51
  And he said that it's very important that it's Judas that's the one that did
• 1:58:56
  it. So I just wanted to give you guys that to think about for
• 1:58:59
  a moment. I thought it was super interesting because it can be very difficult
• 1:59:05
  for people to discern the difference between someone who is actually charitable and someone who
• 1:59:11
  is engaging in weaponized compassion. And a lot of what we see is weaponized
• 1:59:15
  compassion, especially when the purpose is to be seeing calling for it. Like
• 1:59:19
  I want you to know that I care about this group of people because I'm
• 1:59:24
  making demands that you like, do something right. That this is not how
• 1:59:30
  charity is supposed to be done. You know, there's the saying, don't
• 1:59:31
  let the right hand know what the left hand is doing. It's like,
• 1:59:34
  if you're going to do things, do it without any announcements. Don't tell
• 1:59:39
  anybody you're doing it, Just do it because otherwise it's vainglory. It's like,
• 1:59:43
  you want people to know that you're a good person, so you're doing
• 1:59:45
  it loud. This is virtue signaling. So these are like all these things
• 1:59:48
  that we're seeing now, they're very old. That's it. Yeah. No,
• 1:59:56
  Also there's an element of coercion to it, right, he's talking to
• 1:59:59
  somebody, just trying to compel somebody. Yeah, so yeah, no,
• 2:00:02
  it's interesting. Well, like I said, I agree with Sargon. Just
• 2:00:08
  to bring it back to the topic. I agree with Sargon's statement about that,
• 2:00:12
  you know, there's a certain level of shaming that it's not going to
• 2:00:15
  work. Like we can't shame women into loving men again, we can't brow
• 2:00:19
  beat women into getting into relationships again. There has to be a certain level
• 2:00:24
  of consent, and I think that well, there always was right to a
• 2:00:28
  degree, and I think that, you know, there'll be some element of
• 2:00:31
  trying to figure out how to make men more attractive or what men can do
• 2:00:35
  to do that. But also in addition, like it's not all on men,
• 2:00:42
  and it's some of it is on women and some of it is on
• 2:00:45
  society. And I say that it's not like it's on men because it's to
• 2:00:49
  blame that men are to blame. It's on men, because let's be fair,
• 2:00:55
  men are in some ways very creative. They're very fun loving, they're
• 2:01:00
  very funny. You know, they have this flexibility of mind to come up
• 2:01:08
  with something really entertaining and remarkable. You know. So I think that there's
• 2:01:14
  there's that quality of risk taking in men that that needs to be engaged.
• 2:01:17
  So it isn't it an element like, oh, men, you're obligated to
• 2:01:20
  it. It's more like, this is something that you do very well.
• 2:01:28
  You can make something ordinary and turn it into something remarkable. That's something that
• 2:01:32
  men do very well. And if we can just figure out how to engage
• 2:01:38
  that again, you know, that might be one way. And then also
• 2:01:42
  just stop society needs to stop like poisoning the well when it comes to men
• 2:01:48
  with these narrative, these horrible narratives about how worthless they are as partners,
• 2:01:54
  how their primary feelings towards women are one of hatred. You know. It's
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  it's just it's it's destroying relationships between women and men, and it's leading to
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  the eyes of red pill bros. Like this is this is men who are
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  basically they they look at the world, they look at the world, the
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  world does not give them any gratitude for being a traditional stoic man upholding,
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  you know, being a provider doing the work necessary to uphold society. Like
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  men like that gets shipped on. They don't get any kind of gratitude for
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  it. Right. They look at that and they're like, yeah, no,
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  now it's time for me to get mine. I want the bag.
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  I want to get the bag. Right. That's a direct consequence of a
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  society that has has been at war with its sons and said that it had
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  they have no place in society, while still demanding that they serve it.
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  You see what I'm saying, what kind of reaction do you expect. You
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  have no place in our society, You are not worthy of being considered fully
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  human, Yet you still should do the work to make sure this is spartacus
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  like, this is spartacus stuff. This is slave uprising stuff, right,
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  and we don't have the moral position to judge it. Like we have literally
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  told men and boys that they must serve society while being seen as what is
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  the right word for it, less than human like this, that they are
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  the source of original sin and they must serve the society that is benefiting them
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  at the expense of women. Therefore they have to sacrifice everything for it.
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  Like this messaging is serious crap, yea. And it surprised me that it
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  took this long for men to start pushing back and saying no, we want
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  the bag. Some men, a small minority of men, the vast majority
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  under this messaging, it's just shutting down entirely. Right, So we have
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  to be more concerned with the minority that it's committing social suicide by saying,
• 2:04:10
  well, I want the bag now, versus the greater majority that are committing
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  actual suicide from these messages. Right, Okay, get rid of the messages.
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  Get rid of the messages. Start to create a world in which our
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  society, in which men think that it is possible for them for people to
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  be grateful for them and for women to love them, not that they automatically
• 2:04:34
  are going to get women's love, but that it's possible, like it's even
• 2:04:38
  possible anyway. All right, Sorry, I got up on the podium again.
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  I know that Brian is itching, so I'm gonna do my thank you
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  attracted to the right, the left, communist, capitalism, libertarianism. What
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  matters is if women are attracted to men, and that's what we need to
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  fix. What do you guys say about that? Feed the Badger dot com
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  health potion Addict, you Health Addict, mysh spoon is too big.
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  You're better than us? Am I saying that I'm better than you?
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  I guess I'm going a little further than you are. Yeah, I'm fucking
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  better than you. Okay, much better than you. You are, bitch.
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  Okay. And I also want to thank tell him Nar for fifty dollars.
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  Thank you telling Now. Okay, So what we're at is we have
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  two little less than two days left. Let's see what it says. Yeah,
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  it says two days, but it's a bit less and we have we
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  So feed the Badger dot com slash support if you want to join a
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  recognizes that, Yeah, it's not women don't need to be attracted to the
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  right or the left or anything. They need to be attracted to men to
• 2:06:55
  men, and we need to fix that because that is the foundational issue that's
• 2:07:00
  causing all the problems and when those problems start to cascade, need no one
• 2:07:04
  gonna be caring about whether or not women are attracted to ex political party.
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  much for coming on today's episode of Maintaining Frame. And we'll talk to you
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  all in the next one, all right, and I guess I'll stop worry
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