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Sharri | 8 April · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Skynese Vin Shari, Good evening.
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Speaker 2: I'm Cali Marqus filling in for Shari marks a bombshell
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Speaker 2: exclusive tonight, the Jahati preacher linked to one of the
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Speaker 2: Bondai gunmen is back online spreading hate against Jews and Christians.
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Speaker 2: I'll bring you the details then get reaction from Matt Cannavan.
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Speaker 2: There are shock waves in the veteran community as Ben
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Speaker 2: Roberts Smith's war crimes case is mentioned in court for
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Speaker 2: the first time. I'll discuss it with his friend former
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Speaker 2: sas soldier, an elite canine handler horse, plus Trump's extraordinary
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Speaker 2: Iran threat, a ceasefire twist, and what it all means
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Speaker 2: for millions of Iranians. I'll get into it with the
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Speaker 2: co founders of the Iranian Australian Patriots Association, but first
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Speaker 2: tonight I can exclusively reveal the notorious Islamic hate preacher
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Speaker 2: linked to one of the Bondai gunmen is bad back
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Speaker 2: spreading hatred against Jews and Christians in a new sermon.
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Speaker 2: A thirty minute lecture from with some Hadad were shared
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Speaker 2: on YouTube and Telegram, an encrypted app. In the video,
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Speaker 2: Haddad takes aim at fellow Muslims who mix with kafar,
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Speaker 2: the Arabic word for infidels or non believers, one of
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Speaker 2: them going as.
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Speaker 3: Far as being in a video with a rabbi who
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Speaker 3: said that we are awe the children of God, and
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Speaker 3: he's nodding his head. Does this person is saying this
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Speaker 3: and he is something with which we know is calld Ford.
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Speaker 2: Haddad sites part of the Hadith, a collection of sayings
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Speaker 2: by the prophet Muhammad telling his followers Jews, Christians, and
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Speaker 2: even moderate Muslims well mostly end up in Hell.
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Speaker 3: The Jews split into seventy one six, one of which
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Speaker 3: will be in paradise and seventy in hell. The Christians
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Speaker 3: split into seventy two six, every one of which weill
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Speaker 3: be in the hell, be in Hell, and one in
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Speaker 3: the paradise.
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Speaker 1: Now just a reminder wisdom.
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Speaker 2: Haddada is the Jihadi preacher successfully taken to the Federal
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Speaker 2: Court for racial vilification by the Peak Jewish Representative body
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Speaker 2: after preaching hatred and violence against Jews.
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Speaker 3: Towards the end of the times, when the Muslims will be
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Speaker 3: fighting the Jews, the trees will speak, the stone will speak,
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Speaker 3: and I will say, Oh Muslim, Oh believer. There is
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Speaker 3: a Yahoode behind me, Come and kill him.
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Speaker 2: Haddad had also called Jews vile, treacherous, and the descendants
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Speaker 2: of pigs and monkeys.
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Speaker 3: Yes, the descendants of pigs and monkeys are stealing the
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Speaker 3: organs of your brothers and sisters.
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Speaker 4: It wasn't bad enough that they killed them. They also
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Speaker 4: want to take the organs.
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Speaker 5: They took their.
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Speaker 3: Houses, they took their lands, and now they want their organs.
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Speaker 2: Yaard's legal team tried to defend those sermons by arguing
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Speaker 2: in court they were derived in substance from the Qoran
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Speaker 2: and other religious texts.
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Speaker 1: The federal court rejected that finding.
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Speaker 2: In July last year, the Sydney preacher had breached the
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Speaker 2: Racial Discrimination Act in speeches full of racist and anti
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Speaker 2: Submitic material. The judge ordered those sermons be taken down
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Speaker 2: and warned Haddad he would be found in contempt of
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Speaker 2: court should he vilify Jews again. Well, I would argue
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Speaker 2: that's happened now, So now it's over to the authorities
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Speaker 2: this time to finally act.
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Speaker 1: Haddad is not just a dangerous Jew hater.
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Speaker 2: He's been linked to surviving Bondai gunman Navid Akram, who
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Speaker 2: counted terrorism. Sources told the ABC's four Corners was a
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Speaker 2: follower of with some Hadad and a worshiper at Haddad's
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Speaker 2: Al Medina Dawa center in the city southwest. Akram had
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Speaker 2: even acted did as a street preacher for her Dad's
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Speaker 2: Dawa movement.
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Speaker 6: We're here brings session, spreading dat continuing the work of
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Speaker 6: the prophets, whether there's the reigning healing or Clee Guy
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Speaker 6: Oliver award you or whatever actually do in his course, Cholo,
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Speaker 6: this will save you on the day of judgment.
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Speaker 2: Her Dad's Armadina Dawa center was finally closed down a
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Speaker 2: month on from the Bonnai attacks after the local council
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Speaker 2: issued it with a c'se use note saying it never
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Speaker 2: had permission to run as a prayer haul in the
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Speaker 2: first place, And just this weekend we learned the council
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Speaker 2: had ignored two years of warnings about this center. But
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Speaker 2: closing down the center is one thing. Har Dad has
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Speaker 2: just shifted online where he's offering his new lecture series,
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Speaker 2: and as I revealed in January, an animated cartoon targeting
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Speaker 2: young children with his preachings, welcome.
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Speaker 7: To learning with a say today we we are learning
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Speaker 7: about tahheed. Knowing that Allah is one talheed means believing
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Speaker 7: that Allah has no partners, There is no one like him.
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Speaker 7: We worship only Allah.
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Speaker 2: In this latest offering, Hadad, also known as Abu Usayad,
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Speaker 2: also mocks Christians and Easter.
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Speaker 3: They celebrate the supposed crucifixion of And I don't say
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Speaker 3: how that's a celebrations panel. Their God's being killed and
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Speaker 3: buys and they're celebrating and it's a good Friday.
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Speaker 4: Makes no sense.
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Speaker 2: The authorities must no longer leave it up to the
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Speaker 2: Jewish community alone to take action against hate preachers like Haddad,
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Speaker 2: but we've seen a perilous reluctance for them to act.
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Speaker 2: Just consider the two Islamic hate preachers granted visas to
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Speaker 2: come to Australia last week to spread their hatred of Jews.
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Speaker 2: It was only when media revealed their public history of
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Speaker 2: anti Semitic comments that Home Affairs cancel the vizas they'd
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Speaker 2: issued them in the first place. And we still have
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Speaker 2: no answers on what due diligence, if any, was done
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Speaker 2: on these two preachers before they were allowed to come here.
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Speaker 2: Shadow Assistant Multicultural Affairs Minister Dave Shima said with some
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Speaker 2: Hadad's most recent public sermons are disgusting and deserve.
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Speaker 1: The strongest possible condemnation.
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Speaker 2: Haddad's past hate speech has already been found to be
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Speaker 2: in breach of the Racial Discrimination Act, but this latest
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Speaker 2: example plumbs new depths of depravity. Haddad mocks other faiths
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Speaker 2: and criticizes those who support coexistence. His comments are an
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Speaker 2: affront to every Australian and to Australian values and are
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Speaker 2: corrosive of national unity. Senator Shima called on New South
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Speaker 2: Wales Premier Chris Mins to direct New South Wales Police
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Speaker 2: to investigate the comments and for the Federal Police to
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Speaker 2: investigate where the Hadad's speech is a crime under new
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Speaker 2: combating Antisemity, hate and Extremism laws passed by Federal Parliament
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Speaker 2: in January. Sharma has also referred the video to YouTube
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Speaker 2: for removal on grounds of hate speech. Premier Means is
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Speaker 2: on leave but is expected to respond to this story tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: An AFP spokesperson wouldn't comment on whether the police would investigate,
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Speaker 2: but said if any person has information on hate preachers
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Speaker 2: or hate speech incidents, please contact the National Security Hotline.
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Speaker 2: And we've also reached out to YouTube. The fact is,
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Speaker 2: as recent events have shown, we can't afford for authorities
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Speaker 2: to tolerate radical Islamists like Wis. Some hadad any longer,
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Speaker 2: and tonight I can also reveal the Israeli flag has
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Speaker 2: again been stolen from the international flag display in Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Our cameramen took these shots at Commonwealth Place, showing the
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Speaker 2: flag missing and the flag poll protected by a work fence.
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Speaker 2: You can also see the pluque that's meant to bear
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Speaker 2: the country's name Israel missing too. And this isn't the
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Speaker 2: first time the flag has been stolen. Back in August
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Speaker 2: last year, the site was vandalized and the flag was
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Speaker 2: taken then too, leading to international headlines. After then, Israeli
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Speaker 2: ambassador and Me and my mom tweeted where has the
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Speaker 2: flag of Israel gone? Defaced, removed and now missing? The
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Speaker 2: absence of our nation's flag from Camera's international flag displays
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Speaker 2: both noticeable and unacceptable. Liberal Senator Michalia Cash also weighed
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Speaker 2: in at the time, posting, whatever the reason Israel's flag
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Speaker 2: is missing from Camera's International Flag display, it should be
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Speaker 2: restored as soon as possible. Well, the flag was eventually replaced,
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Speaker 2: and I can also reveal. Federal police later arrested and
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Speaker 2: charged a thirty four year old man from Chisholm Over
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Speaker 2: that August twenty third. Theft fleeted guilty in October to
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Speaker 2: theft and damage of Commonwealth property and one count of
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Speaker 2: defacing property, and he was fined by the court. But
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Speaker 2: not even six months later, the Israeli flag was stolen again.
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Speaker 2: This time, an ACT Policing spokesperson told me the latest
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Speaker 2: theft was reported back on February nine, after a member
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Speaker 2: of the public noticed the flag pole had been damaged
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Speaker 2: and the flag was gone. Work is now underway to
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Speaker 2: replace the flag again, and a temporary security camera has
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Speaker 2: even been set up, presumably to capchu or deter any
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Speaker 2: future thieves.
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Speaker 1: What extraordinary measures just to protect.
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Speaker 2: The flag of one of our allies from flying in
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Speaker 2: our nation's capital. And I note Iran and Russia's flags
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Speaker 2: are still flying, just to put this in context. This
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Speaker 2: latest theft and vandalism coincided with a visit of Israeli
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Speaker 2: President Isaac Hertzong at the start of February. He came
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Speaker 2: to Australia at the Prime Minister's invitation to offer support
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Speaker 2: to the Jewish community after the Bondi terror attack. That
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Speaker 2: visit was of course marred by disgraceful, violent protests on
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Speaker 2: our city streets. And it's to our great shame that
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Speaker 2: in the wake of such a tragedy for the community
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Speaker 2: and for Australia more broadly, someone saw fit to damage
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Speaker 2: the flag of the Jewish state again. Now, let's get
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Speaker 2: some reaction to that exclusive I brought you at the
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Speaker 2: top of the show about Islamic hate preacher with some Hadad,
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Speaker 2: as well as some of the other big news.
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Speaker 1: Of the day.
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Speaker 2: And joining me now is National's leader Matt Cannaban. Matt
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Speaker 2: always great to see you. Now this preacher, he's been
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Speaker 2: linked to Bondi gunman Navite Akram.
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Speaker 1: Who's before the courts.
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Speaker 2: Do you agree with Dave Shama that the federal and
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Speaker 2: New South Wales Police the authorities need to act on him.
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Speaker 8: Now, Look, I definitely say these links should be properly investigated, Carolyn.
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Speaker 8: I think the problem we've had ever since the October
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Speaker 8: seventh attacks is that our existing laws haven't been properly
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Speaker 8: enforced her. We saw that straight away with the scenes
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Speaker 8: at the Sydney Opera House twice. Now the Australian federal
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Speaker 8: police and others have asked us to increase penalties and
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Speaker 8: increase the scope of so called hate speech laws. I
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Speaker 8: haven't always agreed with those changes, but they've wanted them,
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Speaker 8: and they still don't seem to get used. So I'm
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Speaker 8: not sure why we rushed back to make these changes
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Speaker 8: then if that were the case. So I think we
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Speaker 8: had enough laws on our books against vilification, against incitement
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Speaker 8: of violence in particular.
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Speaker 4: That's the thing I'm concerned about most.
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Speaker 8: So Look, I only caught the tail end of your
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Speaker 8: segment today, so I can't comment in detail on it,
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Speaker 8: but they definitely need to be investigated, these links, and
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Speaker 8: it surprises me that, given the request we've had from
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Speaker 8: authorities to change our own laws, those laws haven't really
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Speaker 8: been used.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you raise a good point.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we had racial prolification laws, we had incitement
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Speaker 2: to violence laws, and they were never tested even though
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Speaker 2: they were existing when some of these hate speeches were
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Speaker 2: made in the first place by with some Hitdad. Let's
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Speaker 2: talk about now your five point patriot agenda, which you
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Speaker 2: announced at the National Press Club this afternoon. It includes
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Speaker 2: permanent tariffs on imports and closing borders to mass migration.
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Speaker 1: Let's take a look.
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Speaker 4: You described this crazy net zero madness.
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Speaker 8: We need to protect our industries again so we can
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Speaker 8: defend our nation. And we need to grow our country
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Speaker 8: agree and grow it in many different ways so there
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Speaker 8: are more opportunities and most of all, people can feel
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Speaker 8: they can have a family, kind of babies.
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Speaker 4: It's the most important thing in life.
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Speaker 2: So, Matt, is this a pitch to One Nation voters
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Speaker 2: to come back to the coalition?
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Speaker 8: Look, Carolyn's a pitched to the Australian people because I'm
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Speaker 8: patriotic and believe in the future and promise an opportunity
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Speaker 8: of all Australians. It's a lot of things that I've
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Speaker 8: spoken about for many years. Have I suppose a bigger loudspeaker,
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Speaker 8: hours leader of the Nationals Party to spread this message.
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Speaker 8: A lot of what I spoke about today was in
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Speaker 8: a paper that I helped put together with Bridget mackenzie
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Speaker 8: and others in the Nationals party room five years ago.
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Speaker 8: We released a paper five years ago, well before all
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Speaker 8: this surge of One Nation, but we released a paper
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Speaker 8: on how to revitalize Australian manufacturing. There we did identify
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Speaker 8: then our current approach to respond to the protective actions,
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Speaker 8: increasing actions we're seeing from other countries to take our
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Speaker 8: jobs and industry is not working well. We do currently
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Speaker 8: charge anti dumping tariffs or duties on twenty eight different commodities,
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Speaker 8: but it's all a bit of a dog's breakfast. I
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Speaker 8: haven't got as long on your show tonight to explain
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Speaker 8: how crazy, how complicated it is to work. So what
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Speaker 8: I'm saying is we should just be a lot more
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Speaker 8: clear in what our goals are, what our ambitions are,
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Speaker 8: and I think our ambition ambition should be to keep
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Speaker 8: key industries in this country to protect them from unfair
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Speaker 8: competition we've seen increasingly overseas, and particularly things like steel.
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Speaker 8: We're with the biggest exporter of cocing coal and iron
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Speaker 8: ore in the world, the two main things you need
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Speaker 8: to make steel. It's ridiculous that we now have to
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Speaker 8: import that. As I said today, I installed a whole
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Speaker 8: hills Hoist clothesline.
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Speaker 4: My wife did want it.
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Speaker 8: It wasn't for mother's days, some fake news has reported,
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Speaker 8: but I installed one a few years ago. You know,
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Speaker 8: hills hoists not actually made here anymore. It's not made
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Speaker 8: that it's quite being it.
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Speaker 4: No, it's not.
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Speaker 8: I had to go. I went and board in ostil
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Speaker 8: One because I wasn't going to cop that. I found
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Speaker 8: one that is exactly the same as a Hills horse line.
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Speaker 8: But Ostill great company made in Australia. So why are
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Speaker 8: we making so many things overseas from basic essentials which
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Speaker 8: we could produce here.
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Speaker 4: That's what we need to do more.
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Speaker 2: I mean it's an iconic it's iconic Australian brand, isn't it?
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Speaker 1: Hills Voice. Everyone knows that.
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Speaker 2: But do you think that this position puts you at
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Speaker 2: odds with the color with the liberal leader Angus Taylor.
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Speaker 2: I mean he's come out talking about free trade. He
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Speaker 2: pushes that, a lot of people pointing out there's now
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Speaker 2: the dark difference between you two.
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Speaker 8: No, I don't think so at all. As I said today,
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Speaker 8: I want to see free trade. Free trade would be
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Speaker 8: the ideal outcome for our country. But of course we've
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Speaker 8: long realized that we don't live in that ideal world.
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Speaker 8: Many of those duties and tariffs I mentioned in those
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Speaker 8: twenty eight commodities, they were introduced by former coalis and
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Speaker 8: governments that August Taylor was a member of it, and
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Speaker 8: he was responsible for some of these areas. But as
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Speaker 8: I say, I think we need to update those and
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Speaker 8: refresh those now given we pretty much can can settle
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Speaker 8: this case that there's no longer a push for free
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Speaker 8: trade from most major countries in the world now. Just
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Speaker 8: over the weekend we saw the United States imposed one
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Speaker 8: hundred percent tariff on our pharmaceutical products. In the last week,
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Speaker 8: China decided not to take any more beef from Australia
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Speaker 8: this year because we've reached a self imposed quota they've
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Speaker 8: put on us for the year. Even the UEU, which
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Speaker 8: we signed a free trade agreement is two weeks ago.
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Speaker 8: Weeks before that, they had up their tariffs on steel
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Speaker 8: to fifty percent. So why aren't we responding in kind?
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Speaker 8: Because I just can't. I just don't want to sit
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Speaker 8: back here and watch our industry go overseas.
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Speaker 4: As we've increasingly seen.
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Speaker 8: We can all see how crucial it is with the
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Speaker 8: liquid fuels crisis we face right now, but it does
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Speaker 8: should extend to many many other basic essentials that we
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Speaker 8: can produce here if we protect those industries, identify those industries,
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Speaker 8: support them, and not cop other countries acting in ways
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Speaker 8: that are not consistent with their free trade obligations.
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Speaker 1: Just quickly. We only have about a minute left.
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Speaker 2: But Labour's draft platform for the next election has quietly
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Speaker 2: dropped the explicit promise of eighty two percent renewables by
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Speaker 2: twenty thirty, even as Anthony Albanesi insists the ambition is
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Speaker 2: still there and the government doubles down on wind and
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Speaker 2: solo to cut power prices. Matt, there's a mission with
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Speaker 2: something else that you brought up today at the press club.
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Speaker 1: What do you think that it tells us?
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Speaker 8: Well, I think it tells us that Labor realizes they've
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Speaker 8: backed the wrong horse here on net zero on these
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Speaker 8: crazy renewable energy targets. I mean the press club that
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Speaker 8: I was at today, Anthony Alberinezi spoke about spoke at
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Speaker 8: just at that platform just a few days ago, just
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Speaker 8: before Easter, and in his whole speech, which did cover
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Speaker 8: a lot of similar territory. To me, he's got this
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Speaker 8: future made in Australia. He wants to make things too great.
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Speaker 8: I just don't think he has a very good plan
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Speaker 8: for it. In that whole speech he did not mention
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Speaker 8: the words net zero once. I mean, if you go
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Speaker 8: back to the inception of the so called future made
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Speaker 8: and Australia gender. The whole point is net zero, The
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Speaker 8: whole centerpiece of foundation stone of the Labor Party's manufacturing
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Speaker 8: policy is that supporting ed zero, Supporting these global goals
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Speaker 8: which require global cooperation among nations is what will see
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Speaker 8: us thrive and have a hydrogen industry, critical minerals industry,
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Speaker 8: batteries and solar panel industries. None of those things have
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Speaker 8: come to fruition under Labor and now seeing that bankruptcy
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Speaker 8: of that agenda, the promise to won't even mention the
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Speaker 8: words net zero. I mean, net zero has become the
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Speaker 8: love that cannot be named by the Labor Party. Now
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Speaker 8: they're dropping a renewable energy target as well from that platform.
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Speaker 8: But if they do drop those things, they actually don't
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Speaker 8: have a policy. They don't have any plan anymore because
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Speaker 8: their current one is not working.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like Voldemort.
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Speaker 2: I guess it's become netzero. Thank you so much, Matt
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Speaker 2: kunt Of, and appreciate your time. Let's go out to
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Speaker 2: one of the biggest stories of this week, the arrest
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Speaker 2: of Ben Robert Smith. The war hero, will now spend
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Speaker 2: at least a week behind bars after he was formally
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Speaker 2: refused bail today following his shocking arrest in front of
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Speaker 2: his family at Sydney Airport yesterday.
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Speaker 1: The former SAS.
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Speaker 2: Soldier was charged with five counts of war crime murder
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Speaker 2: or relating to his deployment in Afghanistan between two thousand
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Speaker 2: and nine to twenty twelve. He's due for a bail
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Speaker 2: hearing on April seventeen, before his case will return to
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Speaker 2: court in June, with a brief of evidence to be
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Speaker 2: served towards the end of next month. Many people are
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Speaker 2: out pointing out how Australia's most decorated war hero put
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Speaker 2: his life on the line for Australia, only to be
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Speaker 2: persecuted by the country he served or The Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: John Howard has issued a measured statement this afternoon saying
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Speaker 2: that rest of Ben Roberts Smith will tug at the
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Speaker 2: heartstrings of millions of Australians.
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Speaker 1: This is a difficult.
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Speaker 2: Issue for many, as it tests to the limits not
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Speaker 2: only our respect for Australian values, but the deep and
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Speaker 2: special reverence we have for those who put their lives
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Speaker 2: on the line to keep us safe. And Mister Howard
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Speaker 2: also paid tribute to our veterans, whose community in particular
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Speaker 2: this has sent shock waves right through with ANZAC day
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Speaker 2: around the corner of the timing of this, and morale
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Speaker 2: couldn't be worse.
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Speaker 8: Now.
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Speaker 2: Someone who knows more about the fog of war than
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Speaker 2: most is former SAS soldier and elite canine handler horse
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Speaker 2: Horse Hudson. He also did SASR Selection and Reinforcement cycle
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Speaker 2: together with Ben Robert Smith, meaning they saw the very
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Speaker 2: best and worst of each other. Hawse, thank you so
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Speaker 2: much for being here tonight.
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Speaker 9: Thanks for having me on.
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Speaker 1: Really appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: First of all, I want to get your reaction to
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Speaker 2: what must have been shocking news.
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Speaker 1: Hearing of the arrest of Ben Robert Smith.
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Speaker 9: Absolutely, it was shocking, but I think it's fair to
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Speaker 9: say that we deal with shock a little bit better
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Speaker 9: than other. The most the impact on the families. So
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Speaker 9: I've been speaking two parents of the deceased members and
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Speaker 9: another and siblings. They're just distraught and so the impact
20:54
Speaker 9: on what it's done to them is outrageous, and you
20:58
Speaker 9: can imagine the the nature of how it occurred was
21:03
Speaker 9: absolutely reprehensible and the impact upon his family and personal
21:07
Speaker 9: life even more.
21:09
Speaker 2: You're talking about the actual arrest, Yes, arrest him at
21:12
Speaker 2: the airport.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, to do it like that. It's just disgraceful. A
21:18
Speaker 9: lack of humanity really a displayed there. The presumption of
21:21
Speaker 9: innocence is very important and that's part of our due process,
21:27
Speaker 9: and I think that the way it's been portrayed in
21:29
Speaker 9: the media that he's already guilty, which is incorrect.
21:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, to be bear, I think Sky News has
21:37
Speaker 2: been very fair about it. But having cameras at the
21:40
Speaker 2: airport capturing his arrest, which seemed to be I can't
21:46
Speaker 2: imagine any other reason that police would arrest him at
21:49
Speaker 2: the airport except to parade the sort of prized scalp.
21:52
Speaker 1: I just don't understand.
21:54
Speaker 2: Why his lawyers had signals he would come into a station,
21:57
Speaker 2: so I don't know.
21:58
Speaker 9: Public humiliation to it in front of his family is
22:02
Speaker 9: absolutely disgusting behavior.
22:04
Speaker 2: Having spent quite a bit of time so close to
22:08
Speaker 2: Ben Robert Smith during this sort of very difficult recruitment
22:12
Speaker 2: process that you would have had to go through to
22:14
Speaker 2: get into the sas, do you have any insight into
22:17
Speaker 2: how he might be coping, especially with being behind bars now, Well, we.
22:22
Speaker 9: Know that it's not going to be a pleasant experience.
22:25
Speaker 9: He's quite a stoic and he's a tough guy. He'll
22:29
Speaker 9: survive in there quite okay. You know, as a recent
22:34
Speaker 9: Royal Commission the Veteran Suicide said, anybody that comes into
22:37
Speaker 9: contact with legal processes it will have a mental health
22:41
Speaker 9: impact upon him. So yeah, he's going to need a
22:44
Speaker 9: lot of support from friends and family, and as do
22:47
Speaker 9: the The friends and family will still need lots of
22:49
Speaker 9: support as well from this, because it's going to be
22:51
Speaker 9: shocking for everybody, and I think, to be honest, the
22:55
Speaker 9: family is going to be He's a tough guy. You
22:59
Speaker 9: don't put people through this, So his family is going
23:02
Speaker 9: to be significantly more impacted than him.
23:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
23:06
Speaker 2: I think of his parents, who were so lovely I
23:08
Speaker 2: met them at court during the defamation trial, and his
23:14
Speaker 2: twin daughters as well. It must be so difficult to
23:16
Speaker 2: see them go through this, whatever ends up happening. You
23:21
Speaker 2: also have a specific insight to what it's like to
23:24
Speaker 2: be accused of war crimes because you found yourself the
23:27
Speaker 2: subject of allegations of that. Yourself, tell us what happened
23:32
Speaker 2: and are you still under the cloud of that or
23:34
Speaker 2: have they been dismissed?
23:36
Speaker 3: Soho.
23:37
Speaker 9: Back in late twenty twenty, I got a brief from
23:41
Speaker 9: the Inspector General of the eighty for Strained Defense Force,
23:46
Speaker 9: so threatening letters that they said they're going to recommend
23:50
Speaker 9: further charges or further action be taken. And I hadn't
23:54
Speaker 9: heard anything else since. And so touring with the Bravery
23:57
Speaker 9: and Betrayal, it had come up, this is a documentary.
24:01
Speaker 2: That you're part of bravery members of the sas talking
24:04
Speaker 2: about the.
24:05
Speaker 9: Whole about this whole issue. Absolutely, and and it came
24:10
Speaker 9: out fruit that some people had actually had their cases
24:14
Speaker 9: closed and we hadn't been told. So I wrote to
24:17
Speaker 9: OSI and they said that I had no case pending.
24:20
Speaker 9: So I have found out late last year, five years
24:24
Speaker 9: after the fact that I've been cleared.
24:27
Speaker 2: Well, that must have been a huge relief for you.
24:29
Speaker 2: But what was it like living under that cloud for
24:32
Speaker 2: so long?
24:33
Speaker 9: Yeah, so, due to the nature of how we offerate
24:39
Speaker 9: when your mates in trouble, you are there with him,
24:42
Speaker 9: and so it was hardest watching what it was doing
24:47
Speaker 9: to some of the guys who were getting harassed. Obviously
24:50
Speaker 9: I was out at the time and so I didn't
24:51
Speaker 9: suffer any of that. And so yeah, certainly there was
24:56
Speaker 9: that sort of damicle is hanging over your head, which
25:00
Speaker 9: then does impact other aspects of your life. But even
25:04
Speaker 9: now that I am off the hook, my mates are
25:08
Speaker 9: still in trouble, So it doesn't feel that much better
25:12
Speaker 9: to be off the hook. To be honest, give us
25:14
Speaker 9: an idea.
25:15
Speaker 2: What is it like to have served in Afghanistan? I mean,
25:18
Speaker 2: you were in this elite unit, you were asked to
25:20
Speaker 2: put your life on the line for this country.
25:24
Speaker 1: Just what sort of what experience is that?
25:27
Speaker 10: Like?
25:27
Speaker 1: What toll does that take on someone?
25:29
Speaker 9: I was actually proud that I and I felt lucky
25:34
Speaker 9: that I got to actually experience that and serve my
25:37
Speaker 9: country at the highest level. I think the wheels kind
25:42
Speaker 9: of fell off after the service, and you don't understand
25:45
Speaker 9: what impact that has until it's all over and you're
25:50
Speaker 9: separated from the unit. And that's where getting back to
25:56
Speaker 9: normal life is very, very very difficult.
25:59
Speaker 4: Yes, struggled quite.
26:01
Speaker 9: A bit, done getting back into into groove. Now on
26:07
Speaker 9: the up and up.
26:08
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to hear that.
26:09
Speaker 2: I'm glad things are looking up and thank you for
26:11
Speaker 2: your service, and I know most people watching at home
26:14
Speaker 2: would want to thank you too.
26:15
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time.
26:16
Speaker 9: For Thank you very much appreciated.
26:18
Speaker 2: Still to come, the ABC cuts ties with diversity groups
26:22
Speaker 2: after years of criticism it had got too close to
26:25
Speaker 2: activists and Kanye West, blocked from entering the UK over
26:29
Speaker 2: his past anti Semitic remarks. Music festival fans now having
26:34
Speaker 2: to be issued refunds. Michael Kroger and Joe Hildebrand joined
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Speaker 2: me for my panel next Welcome Back Well afresh sky
26:45
Speaker 2: News poll sky News Pulse polls shows Labour's fuel crisis
26:50
Speaker 2: is hitting young families the hardest, with fifty percent of
26:54
Speaker 2: parents with kids under the age of eighteen already cutting
26:58
Speaker 2: back on spending or taking more public transport, changing travel plans,
27:03
Speaker 2: or finding other ways to cope as fuel prices surge
27:06
Speaker 2: after the strait of Hormo's closure. Joining me in our
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Speaker 2: former Victorian Liberal leader Michael Kroger and sky Ney's contributor
27:13
Speaker 2: Joe Hildebrand.
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Speaker 1: Welcome both of you, evening, Great to be you Kark. Michael,
27:17
Speaker 1: I'll start with you.
27:18
Speaker 2: It's looking pretty bleak with fuel prices expected to stay
27:22
Speaker 2: high for many months. It's only going to get worse
27:26
Speaker 2: for families, and these younger families who are struggling already
27:30
Speaker 2: with the cost of living, and I feel for.
27:31
Speaker 5: Them well, as you know are on the lower incomes
27:36
Speaker 5: are going to suffer, of course, and it's a you know,
27:40
Speaker 5: it's an off show, offshoot of the fact that Australia
27:42
Speaker 5: is not energy self sufficient and if any country should
27:46
Speaker 5: be given the reserves we've got on shore and offshore
27:48
Speaker 5: in gas, oil, coal, uranium, the list goes on. So
27:55
Speaker 5: this is a problem for a country like ours, which
27:57
Speaker 5: has been drowning in green the agendas which have shut
28:01
Speaker 5: down so many of our industries and made it very
28:06
Speaker 5: difficult for anyone who wants any company that wants to
28:08
Speaker 5: expend capital in Australia. They've got the environmental defenders off us,
28:12
Speaker 5: they've got regulation demonstrations, et cetera, et cetera. So this
28:17
Speaker 5: is the by product of a cowardly nation that has
28:20
Speaker 5: just just failed to stand up to the left agenda.
28:23
Speaker 5: And here we are, here, we are given the naturally
28:26
Speaker 5: natural resources we've got in this country. We've got young
28:30
Speaker 5: people paying more than three dollars a leader for diesel,
28:32
Speaker 5: and the people we feel, you know, most heartfelt for
28:36
Speaker 5: our farmers who don't know where they're going to have
28:38
Speaker 5: diesel at reasonable prices to harvest their crops when they
28:42
Speaker 5: need to.
28:43
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of farmer's Joe.
28:45
Speaker 2: The polling interestingly showed Australians, or perhaps unsurprisingly Australians in
28:49
Speaker 2: rural areas, they hadn't changed their habits, most of them,
28:53
Speaker 2: and I guess that's because they can't really afford to.
28:56
Speaker 1: They need to drive their cars to.
28:58
Speaker 2: At the distances so from alban easy like take public
29:03
Speaker 2: transport or bowen like check your tire pressures.
29:05
Speaker 1: That's not going to really help a lot of these people.
29:07
Speaker 11: No, it doesn't. But I suppose the idea is that
29:09
Speaker 11: if everyone in the city does what they should do
29:12
Speaker 11: and not use fuel unless they have to, and you know,
29:15
Speaker 11: we're not talking about anything particularly onerous, just you know,
29:18
Speaker 11: if you can get the train or a bus and
29:20
Speaker 11: then just do that, and that means that that frees
29:23
Speaker 11: up that supply so that it can be used in
29:26
Speaker 11: the bush. Obviously, no one in the bush can get
29:28
Speaker 11: a tram to work.
29:29
Speaker 4: And.
29:31
Speaker 11: So they should be able to. They should be the
29:33
Speaker 11: priority right now. I was hugely relieved, and I hadn't
29:38
Speaker 11: been particularly optimistic that there is a ceasefire now and
29:41
Speaker 11: the stratum is going to be reopened. I can't imagine
29:46
Speaker 11: that it will be shut down again. I know, it's
29:48
Speaker 11: just fourteen days at this stage. But I think that
29:52
Speaker 11: now that that door is open, the brickmanship by Donald
29:55
Speaker 11: Trump was extraordinary, something I've never seen in my life.
29:58
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about that, because that was going to
30:00
Speaker 2: be my next time I. Trump went from threatening that
30:03
Speaker 2: a whole civilization will die tonight that was an actual
30:06
Speaker 2: truth social post, to agree into a two week seaspire
30:10
Speaker 2: with around now set as you say, to reopen the
30:13
Speaker 2: Strait of Hormuz and a ten point peace proposal suddenly
30:17
Speaker 2: back on the table. Anthony Albanezi spoke about Trump's threat
30:21
Speaker 2: with Karen Gilbert earlier today.
30:22
Speaker 1: Let's take a look.
30:24
Speaker 12: I don't think it's appropriate to use language such as
30:29
Speaker 12: that from the President of the United States. If that happened,
30:34
Speaker 12: would that be a war crime what the president was
30:36
Speaker 12: talking about.
30:37
Speaker 8: Look, it's a long step between a tweet and that suggestion.
30:45
Speaker 2: Joe Will Barnaby Joyce has said Australia shouldn't alienate our
30:49
Speaker 2: closest owli by criticizing him. I think Albanezy was quite measured,
30:54
Speaker 2: but it is the first time that he has come
30:55
Speaker 2: out and said something negative.
30:57
Speaker 11: That's right, and let's not forget that. For all that
30:59
Speaker 11: Trump criticizes Australia time and time again for not being
31:03
Speaker 11: loyal enough as it does as he does with other countries.
31:06
Speaker 11: Australia was one of the first nations to say, yes,
31:08
Speaker 11: we absolutely support this action. Anthony Alberanez, he was unequivocal
31:11
Speaker 11: in saying that he supported this action.
31:13
Speaker 1: He didn't support it.
31:15
Speaker 2: It's easy to say that he didn't send troops to
31:18
Speaker 2: help America.
31:19
Speaker 11: Other America. I mean America's other poment allies, the UK,
31:24
Speaker 11: and they didn't even they didn't even say offer any
31:27
Speaker 11: moral support for kiss something.
31:30
Speaker 4: Didn't do that.
31:30
Speaker 11: And so Australia has been has had America's back every
31:34
Speaker 11: single time. I've sent defensive personnel over there, which is
31:38
Speaker 11: sharing information with us. They don't really need our military help.
31:41
Speaker 11: Let's face it, They've got the military might.
31:43
Speaker 1: The problem was it tru asked for it though.
31:45
Speaker 11: Yeah, But that's just Trump being Trump. I mean he's
31:47
Speaker 11: said the same thing to NATO as it said the
31:49
Speaker 11: same thing about South Korea, about Japan. You know, he's
31:52
Speaker 11: just it's Trump being Trump. It's the same Trump. It's
31:55
Speaker 11: the same Trump who said that he was going to
31:58
Speaker 11: in civilization.
32:00
Speaker 1: I would argue Michael he has.
32:02
Speaker 2: Allies need to support one another, and when our closest
32:06
Speaker 2: to Ali asks the help, maybe we consider maybe helping.
32:08
Speaker 2: But do you think that there's threat from Trump to
32:12
Speaker 2: end a civilization?
32:13
Speaker 1: Was that just a tactic?
32:14
Speaker 2: He is all about the art of the deal. And
32:17
Speaker 2: did it work in getting the ceasefire?
32:21
Speaker 5: Yes, of course, it's the technique of Trump and it worked.
32:25
Speaker 5: I mean his message was to the Iranian leadership and
32:27
Speaker 5: it worked. I mean, put us on all the discussion
32:30
Speaker 5: about Trump's what's been achieved in five weeks?
32:33
Speaker 4: Okay.
32:33
Speaker 5: He smashed the leadership of the terrorist Nazi regime in Iran,
32:40
Speaker 5: and now they're down to the third and fourth level.
32:42
Speaker 5: They're sort of and of fourteen's running the show now.
32:45
Speaker 5: He smashed their nuclear facilities and made it very hard
32:48
Speaker 5: for them to restart them. Are they finished forever? No,
32:50
Speaker 5: of course they'll try and restart them at some stage.
32:52
Speaker 5: He smashed their ballistic missiles. Are there some left? Of
32:55
Speaker 5: course there are, but he's killed, He's knocked over most
32:58
Speaker 5: of them. They hit twelve thirteen, fourteen thousand military targets
33:03
Speaker 5: in Iran. Iran is on its knees and we hear
33:06
Speaker 5: all this bluster from these Iranian leaders. That country is
33:09
Speaker 5: on its knees thanks to Trump. And have we seen
33:12
Speaker 5: a rocket come out of Gaza by the way, towards Israel. No.
33:17
Speaker 5: Have we seen the hooties in Yemen who've got a
33:19
Speaker 5: bit randy the other day, But have we seen them
33:20
Speaker 5: for a rocket? No? What's happening Israel a still smashing
33:27
Speaker 5: the parts of lemonons south of the Latani River that
33:31
Speaker 5: where Hesblara hiding, and in parts of Beirut. Boy, that
33:34
Speaker 5: looks like success to me. But you know this is Trump.
33:37
Speaker 5: He gets all everyone concentrates on his language, and they
33:40
Speaker 5: have a look at what's been achieved for Goodn's sake. Yes,
33:43
Speaker 5: of course, the negative, the negative, the negative of the
33:46
Speaker 5: straits of hormones. We know that, we know that. But
33:48
Speaker 5: when you've got eighty percent of the Israeli population saying
33:51
Speaker 5: this is a great thing, and when you've got tens
33:54
Speaker 5: of millions of Iranian Iranians saying this is a great thing, well, absolutely,
34:00
Speaker 5: will should listen to these people and not those clowns
34:02
Speaker 5: at CNN.
34:04
Speaker 1: Good point, and we'll have some Iranians joining us.
34:07
Speaker 2: Surely. I want to get onto these topics which we
34:09
Speaker 2: told people will speak about Joe.
34:10
Speaker 1: I know you're key Tab. I'll let you have your
34:13
Speaker 1: say on this one.
34:14
Speaker 2: Though, the ABC has walked away with from its ties
34:18
Speaker 2: to three prominent diversity and inclusion groups after years of
34:22
Speaker 2: criticism that these relationships were compromising the public broadcasters independence.
34:27
Speaker 1: You reckon.
34:28
Speaker 2: One of those groups is a is ACON. It's an
34:31
Speaker 2: LGBTQ plus organization.
34:33
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of reporting on them.
34:34
Speaker 2: It's believed the ABC was paying twelve thousand dollars a
34:37
Speaker 2: year to be a member of this group. Joe, I
34:40
Speaker 2: think it's a positive step under the new managing director Humrcks.
34:43
Speaker 2: Do you think it'll fix the issue with buyas?
34:46
Speaker 11: I think the problem is this actually goes to I
34:49
Speaker 11: think the problem is that the ABC did not realize
34:51
Speaker 11: that these were incredibly heavily contested sort of areas if
34:55
Speaker 11: you like. And now it doesn't matter. I'm you know,
34:57
Speaker 11: a pro LGBTQ, right, don't. This is the and this
35:00
Speaker 11: is the interesting thing, see this is it's the same
35:02
Speaker 11: thing the left does when it says, oh, no, we're
35:04
Speaker 11: not banning free speech and we're just banning hate speech.
35:07
Speaker 5: Right.
35:07
Speaker 11: They just they don't think that they don't like that's right,
35:10
Speaker 11: so they don't think, but they don't think we're over
35:13
Speaker 11: here on the left. They think we're right and everybody
35:17
Speaker 11: else's wrong. We're inclusive and everyone else that's right.
35:20
Speaker 1: It's just going to fix it.
35:20
Speaker 11: So the ABC would just well, whoever put put it
35:23
Speaker 11: in place in the first place is presumably still there.
35:25
Speaker 11: But the ABC would have put this in place saying well,
35:28
Speaker 11: this is not us taking a political stand, This is
35:31
Speaker 11: just us being inclusive and respectful and not realizing that
35:35
Speaker 11: of course, these are really heavily politicized and heavily contested areas.
35:38
Speaker 11: So I think Hugh Marks has sort of come in
35:40
Speaker 11: and rip the band aid off and said, what are
35:42
Speaker 11: you doing? Guys? It would be a bit like, you know,
35:44
Speaker 11: the ABC joining in in partnership with the National Farmers
35:48
Speaker 11: Federation to make sure that you know their rural coverage,
35:51
Speaker 11: is you know fully fully supportive of you know, the
35:55
Speaker 11: farmers in the bush. That wouldn't be such a bad idea.
35:58
Speaker 11: But you will never see them do it, would you,
35:59
Speaker 11: because that is clearly seen as a lobby group in
36:03
Speaker 11: the political publics.
36:04
Speaker 2: No, exactly, they've had this weird blindsidedness.
36:07
Speaker 1: If we want to be generous as you are, I
36:09
Speaker 1: am always very Michael.
36:11
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about this. I know you're
36:12
Speaker 2: a huge Kanye westboat, aren't you. He's been blocked from
36:16
Speaker 2: entering the UK over his past anti Semitic remarks. The
36:19
Speaker 2: British Home Office has pulled the US singer's travel approval,
36:23
Speaker 2: causing the cancelation of the music festival Wireless, and now
36:26
Speaker 2: ticket holders are getting refunds.
36:28
Speaker 1: Michael.
36:29
Speaker 2: Kanye did take out an ad recently apologizing for past remarks.
36:33
Speaker 2: He also had a song you may remember called Kyle Hitler,
36:38
Speaker 2: but he released this apology just before his new album dropped,
36:42
Speaker 2: So I'm slightly skeptical did the UK do the right thing?
36:47
Speaker 5: Well? How to get a refund for my ticket? I
36:52
Speaker 5: was busting to get to that concert to hear to
36:54
Speaker 5: hear this Blake sing. I'm surprised the UK barning rather
37:00
Speaker 5: than welcomed him the way they're going over there. It
37:04
Speaker 5: is surprising. Look, the Western world is facing something that
37:09
Speaker 5: is new in my lifetime. There's been antisemitism all my life, right,
37:14
Speaker 5: we know that everyone's seen it, but in the last
37:17
Speaker 5: ten to fifteen years it's got to epidemic proportions, and
37:20
Speaker 5: particularly since October seven, for all the reasons we know,
37:24
Speaker 5: and Western governments are working through a series of waste
37:29
Speaker 5: to deal with Jewish hatred, Muslim hate preachers, anti Semites
37:34
Speaker 5: on the right, anti Semites on the left, Neo Nazis,
37:37
Speaker 5: marching the streets of Melbourne and Sydney. These are all
37:39
Speaker 5: new things to us. You know, there weren't neo Nazis,
37:42
Speaker 5: you know, marching the street when I was a kid,
37:44
Speaker 5: but there are now. So this is one step forward.
37:49
Speaker 5: It is a damn wall that's being plugged. And it'll
37:51
Speaker 5: take years and years for Western governments to stamp out
37:56
Speaker 5: this Jewish hatred that permeates through, you know, from Iran
38:01
Speaker 5: and their hate preaching acolytes in the Western world. But
38:05
Speaker 5: for every time a government stamps on these people. In
38:08
Speaker 5: the Australian government stopped two people coming here recently, thank goodness.
38:13
Speaker 2: First it was only alf first. Then they had to
38:16
Speaker 2: take the diff away.
38:18
Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's why the that's why the Daily Telegraph
38:21
Speaker 5: should be on should be on some kind of retainer
38:23
Speaker 5: from the First Department for.
38:26
Speaker 1: Doing the work. But look, it's one st yeah.
38:28
Speaker 5: It's one thing. Starvarded it was good and you know,
38:31
Speaker 5: good on him. We don't want that bloke anywhere spewing
38:33
Speaker 5: his Jewish hatred and he apologized, oh yeah, right.
38:36
Speaker 4: After he was caught.
38:37
Speaker 1: No one way.
38:38
Speaker 2: Both of you have been absolute champions in this area
38:41
Speaker 2: fighting against anti Semitism. So thank you both, Kroger appreciate
38:46
Speaker 2: your time.
38:46
Speaker 1: Tonight.
38:47
Speaker 2: Still to come, is labor about to put the brakes
38:50
Speaker 2: on andyis growth just weeks out from the budget. Economist
38:54
Speaker 2: Dmitri Burstein joins me on that, plus will get reaction
38:58
Speaker 2: to the ceasefire from two and Australian dissidents. That's next,
39:06
Speaker 2: welcome back.
39:07
Speaker 7: Well.
39:07
Speaker 2: Donald Trump is now talking up a two week ceasefire
39:10
Speaker 2: with Iran, saying peace is close.
39:13
Speaker 1: But what has left a sour taste for a lot.
39:15
Speaker 2: Of people was that extraordinary threat the US President made
39:19
Speaker 2: on truth Social that a whole civilization will die tonight
39:24
Speaker 2: before he backed off at the eleventh hour. So how
39:28
Speaker 2: was that taken by millions of Iranians, most of whom
39:31
Speaker 2: do not support the regime that the President of the
39:34
Speaker 2: United States was talking about essentially wiping them out, or
39:38
Speaker 2: at least that's.
39:38
Speaker 1: How a lot of people took that.
39:40
Speaker 2: Joining me now is Iranian Australian Patriots Association CO founders
39:45
Speaker 2: money Tagazande and his wife Minutusi money.
39:49
Speaker 1: When you heard about this threat.
39:53
Speaker 2: That a whole civilization will die, what was your reaction actually, To.
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Speaker 13: Be honest, I don't care about what Donald Trump's saying.
40:05
Speaker 13: I'm looking at what he's doing. You know, It's happened
40:10
Speaker 13: many times Donald Trump said something and doing something completely different.
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Speaker 13: You know, it's making you know, some claiming about the Gaza,
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Speaker 13: making the hell out of the Gaza, but what happened
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Speaker 13: at the end of the day was completely different. You know,
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Speaker 13: he knows about the civilization cannot be wiped out from
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Speaker 13: the world. You know, it's Iranian civilization is more than
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Speaker 13: three thousand years old. You know, how come America can
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Speaker 13: you know, get it off, the civilition out of the world.
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Speaker 13: It's not possible, you know.
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Speaker 4: But I.
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Speaker 13: Consider how he's doing his policy towards pushing more and
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Speaker 13: more on the regime. You know, he found that without
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Speaker 13: the energy, maybe some sort of you know, treasure on
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Speaker 13: the regime, some push on the regime, on the IRGC
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Speaker 13: to produce more missiles, more drone and so on, and
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Speaker 13: he made a treat But at the end of the day,
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Speaker 13: he made the different policy, and you agreed to cease fire.
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Speaker 13: That's the way I'm thinking about the Trump. I'm looking
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Speaker 13: at him.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I think you're right.
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Speaker 2: The language was extreme, but ultimately it seemed to be
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Speaker 2: a successful negotiating tactic. And Vice President J. D. Vance
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Speaker 2: spoke a bit earlier about the advice he got from
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Speaker 2: Trump about the negotiation process.
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Speaker 11: Let's have a look, go and work in good faith
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Speaker 11: to come to an agreement.
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Speaker 3: He has told us to.
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Speaker 11: Negotiating good faith, and I think if they negotiating good faith,
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Speaker 11: we will be able to find a deal.
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Speaker 4: That's a big if. And ultimately it's up to the
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Speaker 4: Iranians how they negotiate. I hope they make the right decision.
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Speaker 1: So Minu.
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Speaker 2: Now we're seeing this ceasefire in Iran, how is that
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Speaker 2: being taken by the reigning community?
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Speaker 1: Is actually here in Australia.
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Speaker 10: I think the majority of Iranian people they don't see
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Speaker 10: this as a piece. It's like it seems as a pause,
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Speaker 10: and it should be very dangerous in my belief, because
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Speaker 10: whenever this regime using the like ceasefire or diplomatic briefing space,
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Speaker 10: they rehab themselves, the regroup and then it's very dangerous
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Speaker 10: for the people of Iran because they put operations more
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Speaker 10: to the Iranians people. So meanwhile, when the words actually
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Speaker 10: celebrating this piece, the people of Iran will feel and
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Speaker 10: will ask, okay, what's coming next after what just happened.
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Speaker 10: So they're being very worried about what is a negotiation
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Speaker 10: between Donald Trump and this regime. I should I should
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Speaker 10: say the main things should be that don't trump. Let
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Speaker 10: me be clear. Donald Trump to me, in my view,
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Speaker 10: is like a boxer. He's coming to through an upper card,
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Speaker 10: but is ending up to land a kick. So I
43:14
Speaker 10: think it just using as a piece is to probably
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Speaker 10: rehab the like USA Army also and like to balance
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Speaker 10: this fuel price and everything. So that's in my belief.
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Speaker 10: But on the other hand, it should be very very
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Speaker 10: dangerous for the people of Iran because whatever during the
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Speaker 10: forty seven years the regime actually is proved the ceasefire
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Speaker 10: or even like democracy space, it's just rehabbing themselves and
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Speaker 10: being more brutal and more unparticulable.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of the brutality of the regime, I think the
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Speaker 2: irony is that while Trump was getting slammed but his
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Speaker 2: comments online, the Iranian regime was reportedly urging civilians to
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Speaker 2: gather around bridges and power plants and some kind of
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Speaker 2: human shields, quite literally asking them to sacrifice themselves for
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Speaker 2: the regime. I don't believe money that Iranian civilians would
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Speaker 2: do this without feeling some kind of pressure.
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Speaker 1: I think that shows the brutality.
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Speaker 2: Do you sort of wish that Trump would just finish
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Speaker 2: the job over there? If that can be done and
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Speaker 2: have then a new regime would step in. I mean,
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Speaker 2: he says it's up to the Iranian people, but can
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Speaker 2: that be done?
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Speaker 13: Actually, what they're thinking about this cease fire, it's not
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Speaker 13: ending up to a complete piece because it's not possible
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Speaker 13: to making a piece with the tyrannic, brutal regime who's
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Speaker 13: killing his own people more than forty thousand within two nights.
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Speaker 13: You know, it's impossible to make a piece with such
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Speaker 13: a regime.
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Speaker 1: So what would you want to see happen?
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Speaker 13: Actually, we we hope that, you know, it's the US
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Speaker 13: and the Israel making more pressure, military pressure, and destroy
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Speaker 13: all military infrastructure of the regime. There's soup Pressian forces,
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Speaker 13: you know, the special forces of the police, who was
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Speaker 13: responsible for killing innocent people, killing on the streets. As
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Speaker 13: long as the people feel that it's safe. Now we
45:27
Speaker 13: can come back to the streets and push the regime
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Speaker 13: back down and overthrow this regyme they will, without any doubt,
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Speaker 13: they will come back to the streets and finish the job.
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Speaker 10: You know.
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Speaker 13: There is no need to you know, to for the
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Speaker 13: boots on the ground from the US or IS to
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Speaker 13: do the final battle. The final battle can be done
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Speaker 13: by the Iranian people, who yeah, that's that's this is.
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Speaker 13: This is a nightmare for the most millions of Iranian
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Speaker 13: The Israel and the US left them alone with that
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Speaker 13: overthrown the rigion.
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Speaker 2: We feel for you all and the millions of Iranians
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Speaker 2: going through this. Hopefully they can be regime change money,
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Speaker 2: you know, thank.
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Speaker 1: You both much for your time. Thank you still to come.
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Speaker 2: Labor eyes a major and deis slowdown. But will the
46:16
Speaker 2: savings just shift the pain somewhere else? Economist Dmitri Burstein
46:20
Speaker 2: joins me next Labor is looking at cutting NDIS growth
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Speaker 2: from around ten percent to as low as five or
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Speaker 2: six percent in next month's budget. But teal MPs, led
46:34
Speaker 2: by Monique Ryan, a warning that if a new disability
46:37
Speaker 2: supports scheme for children isn't up and running first the
46:41
Speaker 2: cost will just get pushed into other sectors like healthcare,
46:44
Speaker 2: housing and income support. Joining me now is Eminence Advisories.
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Speaker 2: Dmitri Burstein. Dmitri, thanks for your time tonight. I think
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Speaker 2: a lot of Australians are fed up with stories of
46:55
Speaker 2: routing in the NDIS and how expensive it has become,
46:59
Speaker 2: and how many people are on what was supposed to
47:01
Speaker 2: be a system to help the most vulnerable. But do
47:04
Speaker 2: the tills have a point?
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Speaker 1: Do you think.
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Speaker 2: That this spending is just going to the costage is
47:10
Speaker 2: going to get shifted elsewhere.
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Speaker 12: Well, it depends, of course on what proposals the government
47:16
Speaker 12: puts up, but ideally, no, a five to six percent
47:21
Speaker 12: growth is still not good enough. When the economy is
47:23
Speaker 12: only growing it two to three percent. It has to
47:26
Speaker 12: be you know, flatlined or even reversed. Otherwise it's going
47:30
Speaker 12: to eat the budget. It's already three percent of GDP.
47:33
Speaker 12: It's just on an unstable, unsustainable pathway.
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Speaker 2: It's just such a mammoth becomes such a mammoth thing.
47:40
Speaker 2: Even the people who set it up in the first
47:41
Speaker 2: place say that it was never meant to be like this,
47:45
Speaker 2: so surely they have to run it in somehow Labor
47:48
Speaker 2: is also looking at a major super annuation shakeup, proposing
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Speaker 2: stripping self managed the self managed super funds of the
47:55
Speaker 2: ability to claim compensation for victims of financial misconduct unless.
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Speaker 1: They help support it. Dimitri explain this to us, and
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Speaker 1: is that fair?
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Speaker 12: I think it is fair. I think it's a reasonable compromise.
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Speaker 12: There's the compensation scheme of last resort for when somebody
48:13
Speaker 12: is the victim of bad advice and the party has
48:16
Speaker 12: gone broke or there's no assets. I think that the
48:21
Speaker 12: you know, industry, super is being made to contribute, whereas
48:24
Speaker 12: ninety percent of the claims are made by superannuation funds,
48:27
Speaker 12: so you either paid for it or you don't get
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Speaker 12: the benefit. I don't think it's an unreasonable compromise. It's
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Speaker 12: a it's not a particularly well designed scheme. It encourages
48:37
Speaker 12: moral hazard. It encourages people to take risks that they
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Speaker 12: might not otherwise in the knowledge that they're going to
48:43
Speaker 12: be ensured and backstopped by other people's capital.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about the price of oil. It's so
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Speaker 2: high and the strait of Hormus is still shot, but
48:53
Speaker 2: we're here.
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Speaker 1: It's going to reopen.
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Speaker 2: Some economists are warning the Reserve Bank may have to
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Speaker 2: hike rates again and even as recession fears grow.
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Speaker 1: Dmitri, do you share these economists fear?
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Speaker 12: Well, you know the old saying, if you ask five
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Speaker 12: economists still get eleven opinions. I do believe that interest
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Speaker 12: rates need to rise, and I've been saying it for
49:15
Speaker 12: nine months. I was one of the very few people
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Speaker 12: in August last year saying that they shouldn't have cut
49:20
Speaker 12: back then. Yes, Australia has been on a poor inflation
49:27
Speaker 12: footing well before the Iran conflict started, and I think
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Speaker 12: we're in, you know, in line for one, two, maybe
49:37
Speaker 12: three more interest rate rises this year. It's a particularly
49:42
Speaker 12: tricky one the next board meeting, which will only be
49:44
Speaker 12: a couple of days before the budget is put out,
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Speaker 12: so it'll be it's yet to be seen whether the
49:51
Speaker 12: RBA will have the courage to raise interest rates before
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Speaker 12: the budget is handed down.
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Speaker 1: Well, we'll wait and see.
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Speaker 2: It's not looking too positive for people with mortgage Dmitri bursting,
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your time, and that is
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Speaker 2: all the time we have for tonight. I'll see you
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Speaker 2: back here tomorrow at eight. James McPherson is up next,
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Speaker 2: hosting Port Murray Live