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SMNTY Classics: The Last of Us Special, Episode 1 · Stuff Mom Never Told You

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Steff
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: will never told you a production of iHeartRadio and Welcome
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: to I'm not sure how long of a run it
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  Speaker 1: will be. We might do the whole thing of classics
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: around the Last of Us. Of when we started our
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: Last of Us watch party, it feels so long ago,
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: and we didn't at the time. I didn't know it
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  Speaker 1: was going to be a weekly episode thing that we did.
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  Speaker 1: But if you are listening to this when it comes out,
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: you know, if you've listened to me, the Last of
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: Us Day is coming up, and it happens to be
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  Speaker 1: the same day as Samantha's birthday. Birthday, Yes, and we
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: are going to Seattle, which happens to be where the
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  Speaker 1: second one, a lot of the second one takes place.
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  Speaker 1: And I've already got my Last of Us tour spots
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to hit up and I'm very, very excited.
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  Speaker 1: And there has been a lot of news about the
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  Speaker 1: second season, which is coming out before March. They haven't
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  Speaker 1: said win, but they said it will be an Emmy contention,
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  Speaker 1: which means it has to be before March, so it's
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  Speaker 1: coming out. It's been a lot of interesting updates around it.
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  Speaker 1: I have a lot of thoughts around what might happen,
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  Speaker 1: but in the meantime, please enjoy the part one of
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  Speaker 1: our Last of Us watch special.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not King of Stefan never told you protection of
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  Speaker 1: iHeart radio and we are thrilled. I am thrilled. I
• 2:08
  Speaker 1: am so thrilled to launch a new segment. I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: it's surprised to no one who's seen the title, but
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  Speaker 1: the Last of Us show has premiered on HBO Max
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  Speaker 1: not currently a sponsor. But if you know me, you
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  Speaker 1: know I'm a huge fan.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, a huge fan is an understatement. What are you
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  Speaker 2: talking about? Like this? Is you just go ahead and
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  Speaker 2: say you are an expert of the Last of Us?
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  Speaker 2: I think that's it point.
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  Speaker 1: Point yes, yes, And originally we were going to just
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  Speaker 1: make this kind of like my check in on how
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  Speaker 1: we are enjoying it or what we're loving about it
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  Speaker 1: or not loving about it as a happy hour, and
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  Speaker 1: we recorded an original intro for that. But Samantha, who
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  Speaker 1: is the best most support of co host, was like,
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  Speaker 1: I think you should we should do a reaction to
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  Speaker 1: every episode and it should be its own thing, and
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  Speaker 1: you didn't have to twist my arm.
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  Speaker 2: Right, let's innule hear in the in the pre recorded
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  Speaker 2: intro where we talk about the fact that, yes, I
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  Speaker 2: think we need to do a recap, we need to
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  Speaker 2: have this conversation. It is riddled with amazing feminists and
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  Speaker 2: women characters and film characters that I think we should
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  Speaker 2: talk about anyway. Yes, it's a mistake that HBO iHeart
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  Speaker 2: did not ask any to be a part of the
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  Speaker 2: podcast to begin with, So we're going to correct that
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  Speaker 2: course and do it ourselves. That's what I said.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, And I am so happy, like just even doing
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  Speaker 1: this rerecord, I'm getting excited of the intro of the intro.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone west the level we're talking about, and we are
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  Speaker 1: going to talk about that more. I also wanted to
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  Speaker 1: clarify there are going to be spoilers for the episodes
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about, but they're always going to come out
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  Speaker 1: obviously after the episode has aired. I'm Samantha is doing
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  Speaker 1: a very good job of rating me in so I
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: don't spoil the entire show.
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  Speaker 2: As a team, we've got this.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, because Christina, super producer Christina is watching it
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  Speaker 1: and I don't want to ruin it for her. I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to ruin it for people who have miraculously,
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  Speaker 1: in one way or another, avoided the spoilers of this
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  Speaker 1: very show where I've talked about this game, these games
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  Speaker 1: so so many times. There will be spoilers for the
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  Speaker 1: episode we are talking about, which will be labeled and
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  Speaker 1: omnous hints. I will say, there are some hints at
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  Speaker 1: what's to come, but I also think like basically those
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  Speaker 1: hints are it's grim like, it's an apocalypse show, and the.
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  Speaker 2: Creators are the creators of Chernobyl and if you know
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  Speaker 2: anything about that, it was tragic and said and all, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's about where we are. We just want
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  Speaker 1: to clarify, clarify that I'm so excited to do this,
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  Speaker 1: and I hope a bunch of you listeners join us
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  Speaker 1: along their eye, and I hope that uh you are
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  Speaker 1: enjoying it, will enjoy it. But yeah, So there will
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  Speaker 1: be nine of these episodes. They're going to come out
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  Speaker 1: on Saturdays so that you can easily search for them,
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  Speaker 1: and they're kind of their own thing and for a
• 5:05
  Speaker 1: couple as long as the show is airing, which is
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  Speaker 1: nine episodes, I believe the season finale is well, I'm
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  Speaker 1: assuming season finale, not series finale, but that is March twelfth,
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  Speaker 1: and so during that time some of my Happy Hours
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  Speaker 1: will be replaced with classics. We're just doing a little
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  Speaker 1: schedule switch. Yeah, yeah, and we might switch out the
• 5:25
  Speaker 1: name of our Sex and the City segments, which also
• 5:29
  Speaker 1: we should have separated into its own thing and HBO
• 5:32
  Speaker 1: should have paid us more. But whatever, we agreed. They
• 5:37
  Speaker 1: might be called throw back Thursdays, but it's the same thing,
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  Speaker 1: and the Happy Hour will be back everybody. This is
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  Speaker 1: a temporary thing, but we had to take the opportunity
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  Speaker 1: and rork with it. We're gonna yes. So all that
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  Speaker 1: being said, you might hear some things that are very
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  Speaker 1: reminiscent of our Happy Hour segments, because that's what it
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  Speaker 1: was originally. But yeah, let us get into it. So
• 6:01
  Speaker 1: what are you sitting on, Samantha.
• 6:05
  Speaker 2: Confession time, Both of us were talking about the fact
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  Speaker 2: that last night was not a good night when it
• 6:11
  Speaker 2: comes to being rested. I don't know if it was
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  Speaker 2: just an ANTSI night, or things were happening, or maybe
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  Speaker 2: we're just excited about life whatever what not. So I
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  Speaker 2: did not get a lot of sleep, and we have
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  Speaker 2: a pretty long day of recording, as we do again
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  Speaker 2: behind the curtains. We do this in chunks, so I'm
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  Speaker 2: keeping it with my caffeinated black tea. Yes I am,
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  Speaker 2: And that's how we're leaving it that you Trader Joe's
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  Speaker 2: not a sponsor for making this winter wake up, which
• 6:40
  Speaker 2: is kind of chai ish I think flavor. So yes,
• 6:44
  Speaker 2: I'm keeping with the spicy warm tea. It is cold
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  Speaker 2: and dreary and rainy right now, so it just felt fitting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean another peak behind the curtains is
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  Speaker 1: last week we had some pretty severe weather. I know
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people did. We hope that you're all okay,
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  Speaker 1: But we were actually recording a different happy hour that
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  Speaker 1: was not about the Last of Us, and we had
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  Speaker 1: to stop because I thought I heard a tornado outside
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  Speaker 1: my window. And I had made a Dark and Stormy
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  Speaker 1: because of the weather, and so I have made another
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  Speaker 1: very modified not really a Dark and Stormy, but the
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  Speaker 1: closest I can make it with the ingredients that I have,
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  Speaker 1: which I think is very fitting for both the weather
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  Speaker 1: and the Last of Us. Because, as we've talked about,
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  Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by this. I feel like whiskey is the
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  Speaker 1: like I'm traumatized, anti hero go to drink. They always
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: go for whiskey. And Joel, who is the main character
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  Speaker 1: of the first Last of Us, is no exception and
• 7:42
  Speaker 1: we saw him drink quite a lot of whiskey.
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  Speaker 2: Right. The only exceptions, so that would be if they're
• 7:48
  Speaker 2: like Russian, it's a bad guy drunk. And then I
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  Speaker 2: feel like Asian people have a difference. It's not whiskey,
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  Speaker 2: it's different as something like the bad guys they typically
• 8:00
  Speaker 2: don't drink. And then I'm thinking about I'm thinking about
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  Speaker 2: all the K dramas. They don't drink, like they're supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be really disciplined, unless they are like a psychopath
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  Speaker 2: bad guy. Yeah, then they may, which is hilarious because
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  Speaker 2: that's K drama K actions. They're very extreme. That is
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  Speaker 2: what I'm thinking about.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, there is some variation, and like, if we ever
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  Speaker 1: get out of the also drink responsibly if you choose
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  Speaker 1: to do so. Yes, if we ever get out of
• 8:30
  Speaker 1: Terminus the fiction, the ongoing monthly fiction that we're reading
• 8:35
  Speaker 1: my other like very Close to my Heart story I
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  Speaker 1: wrote she has. I wanted to make it purposely like
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  Speaker 1: not one of those classic drinks, so her name is
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  Speaker 1: Gin and she drinks gin, and people always make fun
• 8:48
  Speaker 1: of her because she drinks gin and her name is Gin,
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  Speaker 1: and she's not somebody who likes being made fun of.
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  Speaker 2: But I like to mix that on the nose.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I thought it was a fun little.
• 9:02
  Speaker 2: I like it.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, So I don't think it's any surprise to anyone.
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  Speaker 1: I was so so excited about the Last of Us. Again,
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  Speaker 1: I cannot emphasize enough they are not a sponsor.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and she's very upset about this, By the way.
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  Speaker 1: I just think it's a missed opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: It really is that they just don't understand how many times, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I need to put my caveat here a I have
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  Speaker 2: the reason, I know as much as I do, I
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  Speaker 2: still like I've blacked out, blacked out on so many
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: things because this is a whole traumatic journey. Just an FYI,
• 9:41
  Speaker 2: if you are not ready for a traumatic journey, this
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: might not be the show for you. I think it's
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: appropriate that the creators of Chernobyl is the one that's
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: creating this, just so you know. But I was introduced
• 9:55
  Speaker 2: to this game because Amy started playing it having arguments
• 9:59
  Speaker 2: with people about why it's the best there's a lot
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: of controversy. And then she was adamant that when we
• 10:06
  Speaker 2: were we were in quarantine. And you know, if you
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: have been listening for a while, you know that Annie
• 10:11
  Speaker 2: pretty much lived with me on the weekend during quarantine
• 10:16
  Speaker 2: because we did not associate with anybody, and then we
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: just stayed in the house. At one point in time,
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: we all went to the beach together because we're like, yes,
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: let's go do this. Annie brought her giant PlayStation and
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: was like gotten. My partner, who was an avid gamer
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: as well, was like, play this because she just wanted
• 10:33
  Speaker 2: to watch what was happening, and she'd already played it
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: how many times at this point? Oh my good one truth? Truth, okay,
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: because but she wanted that perspective, and with that, they
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: it was like watching a movie. And they went through
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: not only Last of Us, but Last of Us too
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: and DLC yeah, and the DLC which Ree learned again.
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  Speaker 2: But it was such a thing that not only did
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: they do this, Annie went back home and then got
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: all her friends to watch, and they are now all
• 11:09
  Speaker 2: caught up in this moment, like the excitement has been building.
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  Speaker 2: When I tell you, Annie was so excited. I got
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  Speaker 2: texts the day before. I think I got a text
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  Speaker 2: a week before, the next day, the next day, the
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  Speaker 2: next day, the next day, the day before, super excited.
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  Speaker 2: The day she came in, we watched it together. She
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  Speaker 2: was so excited all she could do was sit straight
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: back on the edge of her seat talking about what
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: she expected. Was breathless in trying to explain how excited
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: she is sending me all these tech, random out of
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: nowhere texts about what she just read about the series,
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: like when I tell you it's a missed opportunity that
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: Annie did not get some kind of sponsorship bill, it's
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: a missed opportunity. But maybe they did it on purpose
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: because they know you love it so much you'll do
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  Speaker 2: it anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Probably they got me pegged. Oh yeah, it was. I was.
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  Speaker 1: I felt like I could have floated away.
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: It looks like you were about to just watching you
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  Speaker 2: literally space out, and I knew what was floating through
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: your head. I knew what was happening, but you kind
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: of looked like your head would kind of float, and
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: then your body was floating on the edge of the
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  Speaker 2: seat like you were pushing forward and nothing was happening.
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  Speaker 2: It was like five hours before the show was happening.
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  Speaker 1: You were just sitting Yes, well, I because the reviews
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: had come in and a lot of you listeners actually
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: contacted me about it and thank you and sent me
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: articles about it. Because video games are have a great
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: history of being adapted, like they're kind of notoriously not
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: good when they're adapted to TV or movies. And this
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: is so close to my heart that when like the
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: reviews started coming in, they were so good. It's like
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  Speaker 1: it was it unleashed something in me that I'd been
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: trying to keep tame, where I was like, I don't
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: know that I can be excited about this because they're
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  Speaker 1: usually bad. And then what will I do because I've
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: talked about how much I love it, how good it is,
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: and then that happened, and then everyone else was getting excited,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like, I think a week before something unleashed
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  Speaker 1: in me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The week before is when
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: all of the messages started coming. We would have every
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: now and then talking about it, and then the reviews
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: are coming in and all of them were just glowing,
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: and you were having every minute. We saw some trailers
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: and the trailers were so on point with the game.
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  Speaker 2: You were freaking out and I loved it. And I
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: want to say this, even though it is all joking
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  Speaker 2: from my end, it is contagious. Well, Annie was so excited.
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  Speaker 2: It makes other people really excited, Like, Yeah, one of
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: those things when I'm like, man, I wish I had
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: a hobby here or excited about something, because that's an
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  Speaker 2: incredible feeling, Like I love seeing you do this, and
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: it is it's a joy to be around. Yeah, even
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: though the actual story is quite traumatic, and I think
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: I'm really glad I know what's going to happen. I'm
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: really glad I know the whole story because I don't
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  Speaker 2: think I could handle the show if I wasn't already prepared.
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: All of that to say is like, yeah, I know
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  Speaker 2: you're super excited, and I know you sometimes get embarrassed
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: because you get so super excited, but you shouldn't because
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: I think it's such an amazing thing that you love
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: something in that depth of feeling that you feel such
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  Speaker 2: a personal connection is beautiful when something is created like that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure that's what the writers and creators want, is
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: for you to feel that depth. Of course, if it
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  Speaker 2: controls your life, that's a whole different conversation, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: what you are doing and what I see you doing
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  Speaker 2: is exciting in this contagious and that's why you got
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: probably one hundred and fifty thousand messages.
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  Speaker 1: It made me panic. Yeah, I'm really glad to hear
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: you say that, because I do get self conscious about it.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: And I actually one of the friends who hung out
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: with us, Marissa, who's been on the show and who's
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: a great friend of ours and listens and thank you,
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: We appreciate you. The next day, I texted her and
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm so sorry because she was sitting
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: next to me. I was like, I'm so sorry. I
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: was trying to like control my excitement, but I know
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: it was like a lot. I was kidding so like
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: because I kept like grabbing around and like ooh is
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: that And she was like are you kidding? Like let
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: it fly?
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you found the best person to do
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: that with because she was on that level too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like she's not on that level of excitement of the show,
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: but on that level of connecting with you, connecting with
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  Speaker 2: the show.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's funny. I was thinking about this too,
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  Speaker 1: because I am somebody who I love watching TV shows
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: with friends. I love sharing entertainment with friends and that's
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: like my love language. But I have sort of built
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: myself into a trap with this one because everyone knows
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: I love The Last of Us and so everyone and
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, go crime me a river. You
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: have friends, I know. But everyone was like, why did
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: you not watch it with me? Why can't we watch
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: it together? I want to be the first time you
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: see it. And I'm like, I cannot have fifty people
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: in a viewing party for the last But I'm so
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: sorry because I actually like, I like a small group.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: This is the thing that's really important to me. I
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: want everybody to watch it. I'll watch it with you again.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: I'll be there, but I can't be everywhere at once.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: This is where I get the brag. I have to
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: be there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you did. You were very kind and supported
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: me and my love of it, and you did watch
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Because the game is like fifteen hours long, the first
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: one fifteen hours.
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  Speaker 2: I will say, I think I've forgotten d a bit
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  Speaker 2: of it because part of the game was so long.
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  Speaker 2: I just fell asleep in the middle of some of it.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Wow, you're in for a good time and
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  Speaker 1: I do. So we're like, we said, we're probably going
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: to do a couple of these. And if you're listening
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: to this and you're like, this doesn't feel very feminist,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: I promise I have. I have thoughts about things that
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: relate to feminism. We've also done several episodes in the
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: past about the Last of Us, the Last of Us
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: two Survival Horror, and in fact, old hosts of the show,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Christen Caroline they knew I was a gamer and they
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: asked me once like, who is a character in video
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: games who was a woman or girl who you think
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: is like really innovative or connected with a lot of people.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: And I said, Ellie. It's Ellie and that the game
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: came out in twenty thirteen and she felt very new then,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: and uh.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Well sen years old.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't. I don't think I yes, it came
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  Speaker 1: out twenty thirteen, so new to me. Yes. And if
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: you noticed in the show, I promise I'm going to
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: try not to do this so much. But in the
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: showy they set it the kind of like setting of
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: the scene when all the sad stuff in the beginning happens,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: when the outbreak happens. It's in twenty it's in two
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: thousand and three, and I think that's so that the
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: show is set like currently in our modern year. But
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: they did shift the date because in the original game,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: the outbreak day is twenty thirteen, so they pushed it
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: back by ten years. These are all the facts I
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: was trying to hold in while we were watching it.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: No, but this is what you need to share. So
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: you need I don't know why you just said I
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: won't do too many of these. You need to do
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: more of these because this is what you do. What
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: are you talking about. Come on, so let's get into.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: This so you know. If you don't for however, you've
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: avoided it and you don't know. The Last of Us
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: is a PlayStation game that came out in twenty thirteen.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: It is one of the most highly rewarded games of
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: all time. It is pretty much like a movie, and
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: when it came out it was a lot of the
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: most popular games were open world games, so those are
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: games where you can like do whatever you want. You
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: can go explore and you can make choices with your
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: character that affect the ending or affect what happens. The
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Last of Us is very much like a movie. You
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: do make choices as a character, but they're not going
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: to change the story as a whole. It's not going
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: to change the ending. And that was one of the
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: biggest critiques of it. Like most people loved it. It
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: was highly praised, but most people who tell me they
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: didn't like it, it's because it's like a movie and
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: they can't change the ending even though they want to.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: But it was really interesting reading that, And I swear
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: I don't normally do this. I bet it sounds so unbelievable,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: but I actually don't normally read a bunch of like
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: interviews and stuff because it makes me nervous. But the
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: interviews of how they adapted this and the process of
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: how they did it, we're fascinating because the creator said, like,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: the reason I did that was Joel wouldn't do that.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Joel wouldn't that's like not his story, and he needs
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: the character and this is how it plays out, and
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: that's kind of a lot of refuse. Had said, that's
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: like the definition of the tragedy is you can't stop it.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: It's like you see it unfolding and it's too bad.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: But it is so much like a movie already that
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: when I was watching it last night. I've watched it
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: like six times already. I watched it this morning. It's
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: it's already there like in the game, and so much
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: of it is, oh, this is exactly like the game.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: And I never want anything to be beholden to do
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: something like that because they're different mediums, the game and
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: the movie, and in fact, the creator stepped away from
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: the movie the show because it is different when a
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: person can control the camera and the viewpoint versus like
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: you the director picking the shot. But it was like
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: all there, like the imagery. I was like, oh, there's
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: the burning house, and there's the guitar. You know, I
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: saw the guitar.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, So that's the significance. I might not
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: know it yet, Yes, it is the guitar.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Well, they already introduced stuff from the second one, which
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: you know, who knows if they'll ever make the sequel,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: But there was the there's the guitar. There's a bunch
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: of little things they did. I was like, oh, okay, okay,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: but it's a yeah, it's basically like a zombie outbreak.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: It's very frightening, like the setting setting up scene they
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: had with the two scientists in the sixties who were like, actually,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: we should really be afraid of this flungol thing. What
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: if the temperature goes up and then they can take
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: us over? Gave me and there's already all these like
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: theories I love, Like you have sent me some, your
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: partner sent me some about like where did it start?
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: How did it come from? And oh, super exciting but
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: basically zombie outbreak not good. Billions of people and the
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: opening scene is where you meet Joel and his daughter
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Sarah and it's his birthday and everything everything goes so
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: so wrong. And as you texted me in some of
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: these random texts, we'd exchange with each other. Nico Parker,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: who plays Sarah, it looks exactly like that Andy Newton,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: her mom, and she was definitely like the breakout like
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: so many people were praising her and they should have been.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: She did an amazing job. She did uh huh uh,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: and that I loved. One of the things that is
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: tricky about adapting a video game is a lot of
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: times there's a pressure to do the shots, like Doom
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: is sort of an infamous example where all of a
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: sudden there's like a first person shooter shot that doesn't work.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: The whole thing, but that part where Tommy and Joel
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: and Sarah are driving away and you're seeing all these
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: signs of like the world is ending. These planes are crashing,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: this house is on fire. There's zombies. That shot the
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: way it is in the game, where it's sort of
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: like you're looking out the windshield. I just thought it
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: was so effective. It looked so cool, but it was
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: also kind of you could never tell what would be
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: around the corner with that shot. Oh, I loved it.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm being so excited. I did already
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: like plot out where I think every episode's gonna go
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: and every episode has a tragedy in it, just so
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm pretty sure it's not. It's a very
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: sad tale, and I'm going to talk about this more
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: at the end, but I'm very interested and excited to
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: see how people feel about the ending of it. So
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: there are a couple things I wanted to bring out.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: One of them is Okay. First of all, the clickers,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: who you only hear at the end. The clickers are
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: very creepy zombies everybody. I can't wait, But their voice
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: by the same actors they used.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: To that time. Yeah, and I heard a couple of them. Actually,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: may a couple of the clickers may be them?
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I think so. I think so oh oh.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: For anyone who's listening and you're like, what are you
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: talking about? I cannot wait for you. But the character Marlene,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: who is coming up on Fictional Women around the World,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: is one of my favorite characters and is played by
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: the original voice actor Merle Dandridge. Amazing looks just like
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: her so good. She's the leader of the Fireflies. There
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: were a couple of times during the show where I
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: was like, I wonder what it's like if you go
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: into this and you have no idea what they're talking about.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: But the Fireflies are kind of like fighting against the
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: government entities that run the core teen zones, and they're
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: trying to find some way to get back to the
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: world that it was some way to get back to
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: democracy all of those things. So like when in the Darkness.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Milicia yes outscarded Militia.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Right Movement Yes, so yeah, they're saying is look for
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: the light. And throughout that episode you see instances of
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: skirmishes with the military entity which is FEDRA and FEDERA
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: controls like the quarantine zones, they control your education, they
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: control your food, they control your jobs, that whole thing.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: So she's the leader of the fireflies in Boston, and
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: this is something I've found really interesting in late media,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: and Or was a good example as well the New
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Star Wars show. She's the leader of this thing, and
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: it's clear she has a lot of really tough decisions.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: So at one point she says rebellions take time, and
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: another point she says Tommy is just one man, implying
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: like we have to sacrifice him or we have to
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: put our you know, resources where we can. And then
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: at the end of the episode, she makes this deal
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: with Joel, who they don't have a good relationship. Joel
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: is kind of a smuggler, traumatize what happened in the
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: beginning to his daughter, just like a real shut off individual.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Uh and Tess, who will be talking about a second
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: to transport Ellie, this young fourteen year old girl across
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: the country. And that moment was so tough when you
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: know how it ends, because she's like, please, don't get up,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: I'm trusting you, and you're.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Like, all right, everybody's going to get a little anxio,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: So pull back and he pulled back, get so far,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: gets far.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Ahead, but it was just like every time I'm like,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: ooh what a yeah, But I don't know. I think
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: we should come back and talk about that because I
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: feel like we've seen a lot of instances of these
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: women characters who are the leaders. I think you could
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: even make the argument Lea in some ways, but are
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: like making these really tough decisions, and then a lot
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: of the men in their life are kind of like
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: getting angry with them or judging them or like you're
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: being cold or whatever it is, which is not like
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: it's this whole story. I'm just going to tell you
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: because the reviews kept cracking me up. This whole story
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: is complicated. There's no like one instance where you're like, oh,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: that was the complete right choice. There's just isn't and
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: it's like, right, a lot of it's complicated and nuanced
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: and not pretty. It doesn't it's not happy.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Right, So maybe we should go ahead and tell you.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: And I think we talked about this before. You talked
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: about this before, definitely when we were talking about the
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: actual game. This game makes you choose lesser evils, and
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: in that many people hated this game because of that.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: What most people want is a z and a villain,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: and this does not really have that. You do have villains,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: but you don't really have heroes. That's not really a thing,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I don't think. So, you know, the conversation of anti heroes,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: and we've talked about that before, really does apply for
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: the show. Of course, we're anticipating some changes and what
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: people are going to do with characters and what people
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: are going to do just because they love the actors
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: who are portraying these characters. So that's a bias in itself.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: I think that's going to be interesting to see, especially
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: people's reaction, because a good show draws you in with
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: that character, and then those biases can make or break
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: how you feel about the show, and I think that's
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: interesting to know. So for sure, the Last of Us
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: is one of those, and in the game because it's
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: a little different as a person who never played it
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: versus the person who has, because you are actually in
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: their shoes, you are making these decisions instead of watching
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: someone else make a decision and feeling removed from it.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's one of the things I'm very curious about,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: especially if they do the second one, because it does
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: force you to even if you don't want to connect
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: with this person that you're controlling. And that's one of
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: the beauty I think of video games. A good video
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: game is you just get pulled in and you're like, oh,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: I didn't like, maybe your mind will change or whatever,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: and you'll you'll feel something for them, even if they're bad,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: and even if you don't agree with them. And yeah,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: again like good and Bader, so like simplistic terms in
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: this conversation. And that was something that I kept coming
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: across in reviews because most interviews I read they'd never
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: played the game, which I loved. I loved how they
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: described it as like being repeatedly punched in the heart
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, yep. But they would say, like, you know, one,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: is this what's happening? And that we didn't know these
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: kind of stories were being told in video games. Yes
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: they are, but too like there's no easy answers, and
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: they were curious how audiences were going to react to that.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: And I am also curious. I do want to mention
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: test real quickly because tests in the game, she's like
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: the partner of Joel. I feel like they gave her
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: more of a leadership role in the show than she
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: has in the game, or at least from what you see,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: because she says like he answers to me about Joel,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: So I'm curious. I'm curious about that. But she's also
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: pretty harden like seeing some.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Sh She's the rational one. This is the thing about
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: the game, and I was going to come back to
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: both she and Marlene are the rational ones. They have
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: to pick and choose. So they set aside what they
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: want or what they're afraid of, or if they're angry
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: or not, and then go to Okay, this is the
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: most feasible way to do this without people getting hurt.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Let's do it this way. Just talk to me. I
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: got you because spoiler. And again, at the very beginning,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: we see all the people who have dealt with Joe
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: at this time and point know that he's a violent,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: angry man who has outbursts, yes, and so you have
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: her controlling that, and then Marlene is controlling all of
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: the fireflies and even Ellie when we meet Ellie, because
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Elie is ready to like punch people and a lead
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: at this point stab people. We saw that. So it's
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: very different in that route that these two leaders women
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: leaders are the ones that's like, put your emotions aside, right,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: you have to do what's best for today, for our people, for.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Us, right, which I find fascinating because I think they're
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: judged more harshly. And this actually brings us to my
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: next point. And I'm going to try not to like
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: spoil it too much, but I have like talked about
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: this before in the show, because I've, in my opinion,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: the ending of the first game, the way it's shot,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: the character you're playing at that moment, because you don't
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: play Joel the whole time, to me, suggest that we
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: need to question the morality or what just happened. I
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: don't think the ending is meant to be read as
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: a good thing. That was never the suggestion I got.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: That was not how I felt like they were communicating it,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: with how they shot it and how it ends. But
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: what happens when fandom We've talked about this before a lot.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: With Star Wars, We've talked about this a lot. What
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: happens when fandom doesn't read it the way I personally
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: think it was intended. And you can get into really
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: murky grounds with that, because you know, we all bring
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: our own experiences and interpretations to art. We all do,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: but I feel like it says a lot about how
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: people interacted with that ending, and I think that's I'm really, really,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: really curious how that's going to play out in the show.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I have my opinion, and I told you what it is,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: and we're gonna check back in at the end and
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: see if I was right. But like what happens when
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: when you present something in this one way and like
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: your message was this isn't a good thing, and people
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: take away no, it was, What does that mean? And
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: I think that says a lot about our society, and
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: it does go back to how we judge I think
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: how we judge men and women, and like even going
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: back to like the whole conversation we had about toxic
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: masculinity and the Mandalorian, which, by the way, the new
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: trailer came out today, which I know they did on purpose,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: but like being praised for being violent in protection of
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: an innocent especially like a young girl or a woman,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: as you know, like this masculine thing that we should
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: get behind, whereas in the second one that was not
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: the reaction at all when it was women. That's just
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: something I'm sitting on. I'm thinking about I'm very curious
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: about how they're going to do it, especially because they
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: said they tried to make Joel nicer in the show
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: as opposed to the game. We'll see how that plays out,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: you know. I also want to come back and I
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: want to talk about sad murdered Dad trope, but that
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: whole yeah, like justifying these men's reactions versus women's. So
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: he's Joel's kind of Yeah, this more like combative emotional
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: one where Marlene and Tess are trying to keep things running. Also,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I want to come back and talk about this whole
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Daddy's a state of mind thing, which Pedro Pascal who
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: did an amazing job, so did Bella Ramsey. I think
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I like already know the answer, but we need to
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: revisit like this, this attraction women have for that. Yeah. Yeah.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: I also think that there's something happen here which I
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: kind of jokingly call the Han Solo syndrome, which is
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: when a character is supposed to be like I don't know,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Like we're not supposed to think this guy is like
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: the best guy, but then everybody loves that guy and
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, and then let me go rewrite the
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: story of how Greido shot first a million times, so
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: he's like a better guy this. I don't know if
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: they're going to do that or not, but when I
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: read that they were making him nicer, I was kind
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: of like, huh, okay, well see, I don't know because
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: the first episode I was like nicer.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Said that, like the reactions he had were more violent
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: than it was even in the game.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean some of that is, like I'm not
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: a super violent player and some people are. And that's
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: another issue, is because I was thinking about this where
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: the ending I do believe was meant to be, I've
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: been very least ambiguous, but you're still kind of playing
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: this violent character who you are connecting to because you're
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: playing him. But for me, I'm not that kind of
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: like super violent player, but some people are, and so
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe the nicer part is just like
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: for a certain type of play. We'll see. But yeah,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: I think like it's such a well written story. There
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: are certainly problematic aspects of it, but it's such a
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: like well written story, and so many of the reviews
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: I kept seeing were like, you know, this is like
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: a story about humanity and connection and at a time
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: where it's survival. It's like your whole thing and how
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: does that look? And how can we as humans survive
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: in this? And so there are happy moments. I know,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: I've been painting a very bleak, very bleak thing right now.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: It's a zombie apocalypse. Yeah you're going to good bleak. Yeah,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: I know why you're trying to add like there's definitely
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: gonna be a party in here.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: There's not, no, But there are some like brief shining
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: moments of joy. There are I'm looking forward to. They're
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: expanding on some stories, especially queer stories, that I'm excited
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: to see in the show. But yeah, I mean, I
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: think that characters are so well written and that you know,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: the fears I read in the reviews, I don't think
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: are unfounded because it is not a fun show. It's
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: not an easy ending, but I think that's like a
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: sign of like a well written story in characters. And
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: I mean I also like a very like straightforward, I
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: don't have to cry and everything episode. But like you
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, I think they did it very well.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I'm very very excited. It looked beautiful, it was beautifully acted,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: beautifully written, and it felt like a It was like
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: the game, but in a way that didn't feel like
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: they were doing too much fan service, if that makes sense, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I agree with you. I think it definitely sets
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: up really well. They did a great job in beginning it.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of differences. We know that the spread
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: of the virus is different in the game than is
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: in the he that is in the show, and some
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: people have already picked that apart. As a bystander, I'm like, why,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: it's a disease, it's gonna happen.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: To calm down.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: But on the other note, there was some theories about Flower,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: you know, yes, so if you're watching, look for the
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: details about how and who gets infected and like what's
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: being denied and hint. I found that interesting as well.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: But and they found like, when we first were talking
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: about the series happening, you were so cautious. Yeah, and
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: you stayed very cynical to that. You're like, bad adaptation.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Adaptations have happened. There's a lot of controversies around this game.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna get excited. I'm not gonna get excited.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: She did get excited, so we're just gonna put that
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: at the end. But we were guessing about who's gonna
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: play these characters, and we even like did a whole
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: setup of like who should play these characters. I'm not
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: gonna lie. Pedro Pascal was not on my list, Bella
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Ramsey was not on my list. But then when you
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: come back and like, oh wow, they did an amazing job.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Both of them have done a great job in portraying
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: this character, even the brother who plays Tommy. They don't
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: look anything alike, but they sound and act exactly. I
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: know this is acting, but you also know when you
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: have a picture in their mind and it doesn't fit,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: it kind of shatters, shatters the dream and in the
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: fantasy of it. But it didn't. They did such a
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: good job. Even with the daughter Nico Parker. She is
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: an English actress, or I think she's English. I know
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: her mother's English, so I'm trying to imagine that that's
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: the case. Can't comes in and like, she is not
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: what we saw in the game, But she did phenomenal
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: and it didn't shatter that fantasy at all. She was
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: to a Pascal starter Sarah who had suffered this tragedy,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: and I love the fact that the difference in this game,
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: they did a more and in the game they do
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: see it from her star point of view, but they
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: linkedined her story even bigger. Yeah, it was gorgeous to
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: see like it was gorgeous, but it was still on
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: point with the game, so it didn't shatter anybody who
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: had played the game from their idea of what this
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: should be. So I think that was a brilliant beginning.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that note. Yeah, and they did really well with
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: her because you learn more about Sarah very very slowly,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: but you do learn more about Sarah through the game,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: and she was very smart and she like love museums
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: and all that stuff. So they put like all of
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: those little.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Cues of her shirt was on point.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: The shirt was on point. Yeah, that was one of
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: the first things. I was like, those shorts.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: In the game, She's wearing this shirt. Yes, so they
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: shoot to replicate that did a phenomenal job. She was
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: just getting excited.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: We were going to going to Well that was like
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: I'll close on this note, like I hope that it
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: continues to be this way. But one of the reasons
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: I was worried was because we know, get the gaming
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: world is full of toxicity, and the last of us
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: two it was shocking how much toxicity the first one.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I've made the point before and I think is I
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: would argue is true is because you're playing a male
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: character who's protecting a young girl. That didn't come out
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: as much. But like Bella Ramsey has talked about getting
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: like all these haters after they were cast, and so far,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I was expecting review bombing even though the first one
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: is still well liked. So far that hasn't happened. But
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: I'm like still a little little nervous, especially I think
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: episode three and some of you know what I'm talking about.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: I think that's where we're white see some things in
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: terms of like review bombing. But I just I've been
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: happy that that hasn't happened yet. But I hate that
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: that's like even a thing where I was like, I'm
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: afraid to get excited about this thing that I love
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: because of these bad actors in this space.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Right, And yeah, again we talked about that level and
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: you're not the only one, but the different content creators,
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: not even anybody involved in the game who said they
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: l like this game, yeap got hated on. Like it
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: was like incredible, the level of vitriol that came out
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: of a character or a change in character, changing perspective.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Naughty Dog knew what they were doing and kind of
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: trolling those who already would like trying to hate this game.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: They sure did, they shar did well. Oh my gosh,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: I am so excited now I cannot wait for the
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: next one. I will be doing more of these. Hopefully
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: you enjoy it, whether you watch it or not, because
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: I know some of you have written in and said
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: I've never played the game, but I love talking about
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: it and that makes me really happy. So yes, look
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: for more of these, I promise when one percent we
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: are not currently sponsored by them. But yeah, I mean,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: come on, come on, because I think in the next one,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a lot more to say about Ellie,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: because we did get too much of Ellie in this one.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: No, we get a slight introduction, her attitude, her nice
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: skills and infected but not infected.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: M m, although there is a big theory about that
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: that's for a lad date. Well, thank you, thank you,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: thank you so much, Samantha. This was your idea and
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: you didn't really have to trus my arm. Yeah I didn't.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: I'm into it, and listeners, I would love to hear
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: what you think. If you have any thoughts, please let
• 43:57
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• 44:01
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• 44:05
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• 44:06
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• 44:13
  Speaker 1: And thanks as always to our super producer Christina.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Sorry for the spoilers, Christina, We love.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: You, yes, but please watch it Christina if you haven't already,
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