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The Kenny Report | 29 January · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Roscoe jumping to us a little early. Hey, thanks
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Speaker 1: for joining me tonight. The Liberal leadership stale mate Andrew
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Speaker 1: Hasty and Angus Taylor hagel over who will challenge Susan
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Speaker 1: Lee for the top job. Dave Sharma will join me live.
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Speaker 1: A labor minister lashes out at Scott Morrison's sensible ideas
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Speaker 1: for tackling Islamist extremism, and some in labor are antagonistic
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Speaker 1: about a visit by Israel's President Isaac Hertzog an independent
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Speaker 1: supermarket pushed out of a shopping center by one of
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Speaker 1: the Big two. A'll cross to Adelaide for that story,
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Speaker 1: and I'll check in on the economy and the cost
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Speaker 1: of living. Plus Alexander Downer on global affairs, and Tim
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Speaker 1: Blair and Mark Nicholson for our national cabinet. Let's get
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Speaker 1: into it. With the Liberal Party in diabolical trouble, record
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Speaker 1: low polling levels, the coalition with the Nationals broken up
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Speaker 1: for the second time in a year, and shambolic discussions
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Speaker 1: about a possible leadership spill, Many senior Liberals gathered in
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Speaker 1: Melbourne today for the funeral of former Liberal MP Katie Allen.
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Speaker 1: Allen died just before Christmas after a battle with cancer,
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Speaker 1: and let me honor her and offer sympathy to her
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Speaker 1: friends and family. She was an intelligent and engaging contributor
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Speaker 1: to this program many times and lived a life of
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Speaker 1: service to medicine, politics, her family, and community. But while
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Speaker 1: Katie Allen was farewelled, her former colleagues were consumed with
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Speaker 1: their political future. Before the service, potential leadership contenders Andrew
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Speaker 1: Hasty and Angus Taylor conducted a summit of sorts at
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Speaker 1: a private home with Victorian Senator James Pattison, Tasmanian Senator
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Speaker 1: John o'dunniham, and WA Senator Matt O'Sullivan also attending. Both
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Speaker 1: Hasty and Taylor are conservatives, both covet the leadership, and
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Speaker 1: unless they can come to an agreement, any challenge to
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Speaker 1: opposition leader Susan Lee, a moderate, will get messy. Indeed,
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Speaker 1: at the moment, it's believed no accommodation has been struck,
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Speaker 1: which is good news for Lee in the short term.
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Speaker 3: I can't predict what all of my colleagues may or
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Speaker 3: may not do, but I can say that in my
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Speaker 3: assessments as and continues to enjoy the support of the
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Speaker 3: majority of the party room.
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Speaker 1: Sure, but once Hasty and Taylor can agree on which
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Speaker 1: of them can best challenge for the leadership, these days
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Speaker 1: are likely to be done. Federal Parliament sits again this Tuesday.
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Speaker 1: We've seen a pretty dismal and worrying response to the
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Speaker 1: words of wisdom and useful suggestions from Scott Morrison that
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Speaker 1: I shared with you yesterday. The former PM says the
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Speaker 1: government should work with the leaders of Muslim communities to
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Speaker 1: make sure accountability and transparency in mosques and schools to
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Speaker 1: try to identify and flush out any Islamist extremist indoctrination.
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Speaker 1: Here is some of what he had to say.
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Speaker 4: This requires a peak body that goes beyond representation to
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Speaker 4: being given the authority and tools to enforce membership standards.
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Speaker 4: This does not currently exist in Australia. Religious education should
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Speaker 4: promote coexistence, civic responsibility and respect for Australia's pluralism, explicitly
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Speaker 4: rejecting anti Semitism, sectarianism and incitement.
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Speaker 1: Teaching should be.
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Speaker 4: Transparent with English translations available. Religious leaders must also clearly
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Speaker 4: reject political Islam and transnational movements that weaponize faith for
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Speaker 4: power rather than worship and warn their faithful about such movements.
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Speaker 1: And I showed you yesterday the reaction from the National
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Speaker 1: Imam's Council. Sadly, this representative body of Muslim groups attacked Morrison,
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Speaker 1: calling his intervention reckless, irresponsible and deeply ill informed. They
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Speaker 1: invoked the term Islamophobia and accused Morrison of undermining trust
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Speaker 1: and social cohesion. Now this is bad enough, but if
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Speaker 1: that makes you despare, then listen to an alban Easy
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Speaker 1: labor government minister this morning.
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Speaker 5: I think it's incredibly irresponsible, and I also think it's
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Speaker 5: incredibly disappointing because it draws on historical stereotypes and a
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Speaker 5: historical trope that continually puts the blame and responsibility and
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Speaker 5: the burden on Muslim communities whenever there is any form
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Speaker 5: of a terrorist attack.
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Speaker 1: Where to start with that? Hey, well, for starters, Morrison
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Speaker 1: is not speaking about any form of terror attack, but
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Speaker 1: about Islamis. It's extremist terrorist attacks, and of course they
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Speaker 1: are of special interests in Muslim communities because it's their
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Speaker 1: faith that's being hijacked, it's being perverted to inspire the
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Speaker 1: slaughter of innocence. But even from this government minister. Instead
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Speaker 1: of being prepared to discuss and confront these issues, she
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Speaker 1: turns it into one of Muslim victimhood, the very victimhood,
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Speaker 1: of course, that so many extremists seek to capitalize on.
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Speaker 1: And Ali launched a horrible allegation against Morrison.
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Speaker 5: This consistent seeking to blame the entire community, an entire
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Speaker 5: faith community, for the actions of two radicalized individuals to
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Speaker 5: take advantage or something like the Bondai attacks to Soo
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Speaker 5: seats of discourse is absolutely abhorrent and should be rejected.
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Speaker 1: Now, Anne Ali is a Muslim, the first woman of
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Speaker 1: the Islamic faith elected to our federal Parliament, so her
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Speaker 1: role in this debate is crucial. It's one of leadership
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Speaker 1: and she's failing that responsibility badly. Because if you had
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Speaker 1: the patience to stick with this interview, she actually admits
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Speaker 1: to the very problem that Morrison is trying to deal with.
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Speaker 1: She actually describes the problem that demonstrates very clearly how
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Speaker 1: the Muslim community has much to lose from this extremism
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Speaker 1: and must be involved collaboratively with tackling it.
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Speaker 5: It is an ideology that is a political in the
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Speaker 5: sense that it seeks to establish a form of Islam
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Speaker 5: a particular interpretation of Islam that is extreme and that
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Speaker 5: is rejected by the vast majority of Muslim So yes,
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Speaker 5: there is an ideological strain of Islam that is extreme
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Speaker 5: and that is used to radicalize individuals towards a particular worldview.
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Speaker 1: Yes, minister, that's what we're talking about, and that's why
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Speaker 1: all of us, but especially Muslims, ought to be very
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Speaker 1: focused on combating this ideology. Let's work together in this battle.
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Speaker 1: I'd be very happy to have you here on this
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Speaker 1: program to discuss it directly. The Minister has just there
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Speaker 1: correctly identified the problem. So the question is how can
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Speaker 1: we deal with it? If Morrison is wrong, what's her solution?
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Speaker 1: But I have to share what happened at the very
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Speaker 1: end of that interview, and it's pretty depressing. The Labor
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Speaker 1: Friends of Palestine has opposed next month's visit by Israel's
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Speaker 1: President Isaac Hersong. Ann Ali was asked three times whether
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Speaker 1: she welcomed it, and three times before the cock crowed
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Speaker 1: if I could use that religious analogy, she pointedly did
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Speaker 1: not welcome him. He's the third time she was asked,
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Speaker 1: will you be welcoming him?
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Speaker 6: Is this a welcome visit?
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Speaker 5: He was invited for the Bondei terror for the victims
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Speaker 5: of the Bondei terror attack, and that is protocol sally.
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Speaker 1: Such a worry, isn't it. Israel is a long time
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Speaker 1: friend and ally to Australia. It has helped to stop
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Speaker 1: terrorist attacks against US. It's defended itself over the past
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Speaker 1: two years from murderous attacks in its south and from
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Speaker 1: the north and from the east. And Ali could not
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Speaker 1: welcome the president's visit. She later made statements that were
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Speaker 1: more generous and sensible. Maybe she was leaned on to
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Speaker 1: do that because the Prime Minister was certainly quick to
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Speaker 1: point them out.
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Speaker 7: I certainly welcome him coming and I look forward to visiting.
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Speaker 7: And I note that Anne Ali has made appropriate comments
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Speaker 7: as well, welcoming the fact that this will be welcoming
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Speaker 7: anything that leads to a greater sense of unity.
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Speaker 1: Why is it so hard? How can we expect to
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Speaker 1: rebuild social cohesion in this country if the government can't
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Speaker 1: lead by example. How can we rebuild trust when our
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Speaker 1: government has demonized Israel for more than two years and
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Speaker 1: some of its members want to continue in that vein.
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Speaker 1: And how can we tackle Islamist extremism unless Muslim community
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Speaker 1: leaders embrace the debate about solutions. That's got a Dave Sharman,
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Speaker 1: now the Shadow Assistant Minister for Treasury, joins me live
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Speaker 1: from Sydney, also former Australian Ambassador to Israel and given
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Speaker 1: your expertise in that area, Dave, I'm really keen to
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Speaker 1: get your thoughts on what I think is a really
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Speaker 1: sensible and constructive in event by former Prime Minister Scott Morrison.
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Speaker 1: What do you reckon?
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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Christen Good to join you.
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Speaker 8: I haven't read all the Scott Morrison's speech, so I've
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Speaker 8: only just seen them Metia reports of it, but I
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Speaker 8: haven't seen anything he said that I find objectionable. I mean,
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Speaker 8: it's I think a matter of public record that the
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Speaker 8: two bond I terrorists, the father and son, were inspired
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Speaker 8: by isis like ideology, and that means that we need
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Speaker 8: to be addressing the promotion and promulgation of isis like ideology,
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Speaker 8: which you know clearly the cause of this attack, but
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Speaker 8: has also been the cause of many attacks around the world.
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Speaker 8: Now going back back at least a decade and a half.
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Speaker 1: You know, I would have thought, rather than rejecting Scott
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Speaker 1: Morrison's suggestions, both the Imman's Counsel and the Federal government
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Speaker 1: ought to say that in broad terms, this is a
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Speaker 1: project we all need to embark on that is getting
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Speaker 1: rid of extremism, getting rid of this ideology. So let's
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Speaker 1: sit down and talk about the the ideas. It's not
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Speaker 1: a prescription from Morrison. He's a former Prime minister for
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Speaker 1: crying out now, but let's talk about whether there's some seeds,
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Speaker 1: some ideas here that could help.
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Speaker 9: Well.
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Speaker 8: I remember and you would recall this too from your
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Speaker 8: time in government, Chris. But after the Bali terrorist attacks
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Speaker 8: in two thousand and two and the September eleventh attacks,
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Speaker 8: that Howard government at the time made quite a concerted
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Speaker 8: effort to work closely with Australians Muslim community and Muslim
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Speaker 8: leadership to one reassure them, but to make sure they
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Speaker 8: had the tools they needed and a support they needed
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Speaker 8: to keep an eye out for any radical elements in
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Speaker 8: their midst and to my mind, Scott Morrison's suggestion was
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Speaker 8: very much of that flavor. I don't think it's about
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Speaker 8: targeting or seeking to punish a particular community. It's working
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Speaker 8: with the community of Australians to make sure that that
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Speaker 8: they've got all the tools and the assistance they needed
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Speaker 8: to make sure that would protect the security of all Australians.
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Speaker 1: Spot On. Now, let's turn then to your show. Sad
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Speaker 1: gathering today in Melbourne with the funeral of Katie Allen,
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Speaker 1: but with so many liberal heavyweights in town, Angus Taylor
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Speaker 1: and Andrew Hasty took the opportunity to meet with some
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Speaker 1: of their senatorial colleagues. Is it just a matter of
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Speaker 1: those two coming to an accommodation about who will challenge
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Speaker 1: Susan Lee? Is that the only thing keeping her in
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Speaker 1: the job at the moment?
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Speaker 8: No, I don't think so, Chris. I was at Katie
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Speaker 8: Allen's funeral today. I wasn't at any secret meetings for
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Speaker 8: other meetings at the time, and you know, I think
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Speaker 8: I didn't discuss any of this with my colleagues.
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Speaker 2: Now, maybe I'm unusual or.
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Speaker 8: The exception there, but Susanly remains the leader. She has
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Speaker 8: the support of everyone who serves in the shadow ministry,
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Speaker 8: In the shadow out of ministry, I'm not aware of
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Speaker 8: any leadership challenge. Yes, there's a lot of speculation, but
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Speaker 8: you know, at the moment, Susan Lee is our leader
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Speaker 8: and I think we all need to just get on
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Speaker 8: and supporter and I think, you know, my frustration and
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Speaker 8: all of this, and I'm sure it's shared by the public,
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Speaker 8: is that there's too much focus on ourselves and not
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Speaker 8: much focus on all the problems and challenges our country
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Speaker 8: is facing under this Labor government.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. From that point of view, though, if there's going
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Speaker 1: to be a change in leadership, if these ructions need
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Speaker 1: to be put to bed, then the sooner the better, right, Well, yes, I.
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Speaker 8: Think we just need to get on and unite behind
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Speaker 8: Susan and the leadership team and move forward. And if
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Speaker 8: someone wants to make a challenge, of course, you know
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Speaker 8: they're free to do so within the Liberal Party rules.
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Speaker 8: But I think we need to be mindful that our
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Speaker 8: job is an opposition year is not to know, rotate
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Speaker 8: shares in the shadow cabinet or the shadow ministry. It's
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Speaker 8: to hold the Labor government to account and to present
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Speaker 8: a responsible and credible alternative government.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Pretty difficult though, a lot of holes in that
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Speaker 1: shadow cabinet at the moment because you've got six nationals
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Speaker 1: out of it, and yeah, you want to keep them
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Speaker 1: open really because you want them to come back, and
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Speaker 1: there's no sign of that. So we'll keep on those issues.
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Speaker 1: But I want to get back to the economy because
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Speaker 1: it's so important. Of course, you are shadow Assistant Minister
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Speaker 1: for Treasury. Inflation not under control. Inflation is still going up.
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Speaker 1: That's probably going to lead to an interest rate rise
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Speaker 1: next week. This is the opposite to what Labor has
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Speaker 1: promised they would deliver. Yet Jim Chalmers continues to assert
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Speaker 1: that it's not his runaway government spending that is a
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Speaker 1: large part of the problem. How can the highest ever
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Speaker 1: levels of government spending not be part of the problem.
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Speaker 2: They are part of the problem, Chris.
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Speaker 8: I mean, you've got inflation in Australia now three point
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Speaker 8: eight percent, and it's rising. In the rest of the
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Speaker 8: developed world that's coming down. If you look at what's
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Speaker 8: driving the rise in prices, it's entirely domestic factors. That is,
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Speaker 8: its home grown inflation. And the largest single cause of
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Speaker 8: that is a government that is spending the highest that's
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Speaker 8: ever spent in forty years outside of the pandemic, and
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Speaker 8: a government that's spending taxpayer money at four times the
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Speaker 8: rate that's collecting it now that is creating inflationary pressures.
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Speaker 8: Every economist says it THEBA says it diplomatically. It's only
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Speaker 8: Jim Chalmers that seems to be in denial about that.
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Speaker 1: And the other huge factor is electricity prices, and this
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Speaker 1: is a policy area where they have direct responsibility and
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Speaker 1: direct impact.
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Speaker 2: That's quite right. I mean electricity prices.
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Speaker 8: We were told, you know that the government provider, at
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Speaker 8: the cost of several billion dollars of taxpayers money electricity
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Speaker 8: rebots over the course of the last year. They were
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Speaker 8: sued that, you know, once they came off, the electricity
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Speaker 8: system would stabilize. We were also assured that they would
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Speaker 8: not have anything but a temporary impact on inflation, and
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Speaker 8: inflation was coming down. That is not the case clearly.
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Speaker 8: Electricity prices, housing, but also food and clothing and services.
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Speaker 8: Is the cost of services, that's what's driving inflation. You've got,
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Speaker 8: you know, too much government money chasing a limited or
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Speaker 8: finite supply of goods and capital and labor.
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Speaker 2: Inflation is the result.
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Speaker 8: That's just basic macroeconomics.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Dave, I appreciate it. Dave Sharma,
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Speaker 1: the Shadow Assistant Minister for a treasure doing the rounds
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Speaker 1: of the circles there with us. Now, I want to
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Speaker 1: go to South Australia. There's plenty of consternation in this country,
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Speaker 1: understandably about the two big supermarket chains. Are they too big?
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Speaker 1: Is there enough competition? Do they keep out or force
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Speaker 1: out other retailers and in the end do consumers therefore
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Speaker 1: lose out? Well cop this an independent supermarket has been
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Speaker 1: given the boot from a major Adelaide shopping center after
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Speaker 1: two decades in there, to make way for Woollies. Shopping
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Speaker 1: Center owner Vicinity has ordered Drake's Supermarkets to shut up
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Speaker 1: shop at Castle Plaza and Edwardstown by the end of
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Speaker 1: next month. Let's bring in John Paul Drake, who's the
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Speaker 1: director of Drake's Supermarkets. Thanks for joining us, Jean Paul.
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Speaker 1: Good to catch up with you again. Now, your supermarkets people,
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Speaker 1: you've run a successful business, a growing business. You've extended
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Speaker 1: into state from South Australia. But a lot of South
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Speaker 1: Australians see you as hero because you set up supermarkets
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Speaker 1: in competition with the big two trying to give people
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Speaker 1: lower prices. Does that mean they're out to get you?
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Speaker 1: Do the Big two going up on you?
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Speaker 10: Absolutely? Let's face that there's no love and war here.
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Speaker 10: It's all war and supermarket land and Wolworsts have come
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Speaker 10: into the site, but it's a more of a bigger picture,
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Speaker 10: like you said, Christophine, there for two decades, we've spent
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Speaker 10: over ten million dollars in making the store better and better.
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Speaker 10: And the interesting part of it all is about two
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Speaker 10: years out we got put on a quarterly lease, so
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Speaker 10: we knew something was up. We spoke to the landlord
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Speaker 10: and said, hey, guys, is something going on. No, No,
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Speaker 10: nothing to see here, nothing to see here, and then
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Speaker 10: we went on a monthly lease. Nothing to see here.
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Speaker 10: Obviously we knew something was going on. And then evidently
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Speaker 10: we find out a week ago that Wolworst will be
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Speaker 10: in there and we'll be out here in February the
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Speaker 10: twenty eighth.
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Speaker 1: Unbelievable really, So obviously they were looking at a rebuilder
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Speaker 1: uvenation of the shopping center. They're obviously in goots with
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Speaker 1: the Woolworths. Have confirmed that Woolies are saying they're going
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Speaker 1: in there to be part of this redevelopment. Shouldn't the
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Speaker 1: landlord at first have come to you to perhaps raised
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Speaker 1: with you that they're doing this redevelopment and whether you
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Speaker 1: might want to contribute and be part of that. Well,
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Speaker 1: it gets better, Chris.
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Speaker 10: They came to us a couple of years ago by
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Speaker 10: doubling the rent, thinking that was a good deal for us.
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Speaker 10: We went back with a counter offer, and that was
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Speaker 10: over a year ago and we'd heard nothing since, so
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Speaker 10: we had no chance to try and get that lease.
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Speaker 10: But interestingly enough, the A Triple C put out a statement,
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Speaker 10: I want to get it right, said that Walworst proposed
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Speaker 10: acquisition of the lease at the shopping center last year.
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Speaker 10: They knew last year where we didn't know about that
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Speaker 10: there was a low risk that the transaction would result
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Speaker 10: in substantial lessening of competition. So just to put into
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Speaker 10: perspective there, there is now seven Woolworst stores, five coal
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Speaker 10: stores and three independents no sorry, two independents now because
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Speaker 10: we're then within.
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Speaker 1: A five k radius.
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Speaker 10: I don't see how you think that's fair competition. And
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Speaker 10: I have no idea how the ageable see who have
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Speaker 10: failed to respond to us. Mind you, this was going
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Speaker 10: on for a couple of years now and we're the
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Speaker 10: only response we got for Nurtribal C was that. So
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Speaker 10: you really have to wonder if we're talking about fair competition,
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Speaker 10: we need to make sure this process is transparent in
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Speaker 10: regards to dealing with landlords, because you can't blame a landlord.
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Speaker 1: For taking double the money.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, the clear thing here and the thing that we're
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Speaker 10: angry about is we had no chance to be able
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Speaker 10: to even react to that. So if you take away
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Speaker 10: the opportunity for the site, you reduce the competition. Now,
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Speaker 10: I'm not the smartest guy in the room here, but
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Speaker 10: we've got to understand that if the inflated market value
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Speaker 10: is now seen in the five six hundred, seven hundreds
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Speaker 10: per square meter and a supermarket from three hundred, then
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Speaker 10: you know that the independence sector cannot play in that
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Speaker 10: water and we will end up with only two players
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Speaker 10: in the competition.
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Speaker 1: It is amazing that the AH Triple Cee haven't taken
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Speaker 1: a deeper interest in this and will follow up with
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Speaker 1: them to try and get a response, because that's exactly
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Speaker 1: the case. You're diminishing competition, yet they give it a
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Speaker 1: tick of approval. Tell us what's going to happen? Tell
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Speaker 1: me how many staff you employed that supermarket, whether you
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Speaker 1: are going to look to reopen that supermarket somewhere nearby,
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Speaker 1: or whether you can absorb those staff into other supermarkets.
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Speaker 1: What's going to unfold here.
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Speaker 10: Well, the biggest concern for us, obviously is our team members.
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Speaker 10: We have about one hundred casual, permanent, part time, and
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Speaker 10: salaried employees there, and we obviously our customers are going
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Speaker 10: to miss out too. Our customers, they'll be lucky enough
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Speaker 10: they'll be able to talk to self service registers in
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Speaker 10: the future with will West of that site, we do
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Speaker 10: have a site that's a couple of kilometers away, and
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Speaker 10: we will make sure that we endeavor to make sure
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Speaker 10: that all of our team members, where adequate, can be
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Speaker 10: put into roles. That's our number one priority. I was
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Speaker 10: down at the site yesterday. You have a Forget too,
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Speaker 10: there's a Coals fifty meters down the road down the mall.
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Speaker 10: And now you've got Woolworths that are coming to town,
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Speaker 10: which will be another cookie cutter effort. I'd like to
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Speaker 10: say the Vicinity people never spoke to us.
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Speaker 1: They had to put out.
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Speaker 10: A press release after the news got out yesterday, but
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Speaker 10: I like their last comment in their press release. Our
21:19
Speaker 10: priority is ensuring a center continues to prevaive a convenient
21:23
Speaker 10: and compelling retail experience for our customer. Now I can
21:27
Speaker 10: assure you, Chris, you know what we're like.
21:29
Speaker 1: We have some of the.
21:30
Speaker 10: Best supermarkets in Australia right here in South Australia. I
21:34
Speaker 10: would like to find any wool worse that is better
21:36
Speaker 10: than our best store on the planet.
21:39
Speaker 1: We will see a fascinating development. I think it applies
21:43
Speaker 1: to the whole country because we need competition in that
21:46
Speaker 1: retail sector. And this is a classic example of how
21:50
Speaker 1: tough it is going up against the big two. Thanks
21:52
Speaker 1: so much for joining us, John Pull and let us
21:54
Speaker 1: know if there's any developments. Thanks Chris will do jump
21:59
Speaker 1: all Drake there from Drake's Supermarkets in South Australia. As
22:02
Speaker 1: I say, they've expanded into other states as well, trying
22:05
Speaker 1: to provide that third alternative, another independent alternative in the
22:09
Speaker 1: supermarket land. And you heard there. It's pretty tough because
22:12
Speaker 1: the big two that I'm muck around going to take
22:16
Speaker 1: a break. On the other side, we're going to talk
22:17
Speaker 1: into national affairs. Donald Trump threatening Iran with major destruction.
22:21
Speaker 1: I'll speak with Alexander Downer next. Donald Trump has taken
22:29
Speaker 1: the truth social issuing a new warning to Iran, ordering
22:33
Speaker 1: the country to come to the table and make a
22:36
Speaker 1: deal on its nuclear program. But the US president, writing
22:39
Speaker 1: time is running out. It's truly of the essence. The
22:43
Speaker 1: next attack will be far worse. Don't make that happen again.
22:48
Speaker 1: And here's Donald Trump speaking at a rally yesterday.
22:51
Speaker 3: They were about a month away from having a nuclear weapon.
22:54
Speaker 2: We had to do it.
22:55
Speaker 1: And by the way, there's another beautiful aromata floating beautifully
23:00
Speaker 1: toward Iran right now.
23:03
Speaker 4: So we'll see.
23:06
Speaker 1: I hope they make a deal. I hope they make
23:09
Speaker 1: a deal.
23:10
Speaker 2: They should have made a deal the first time they'd
23:12
Speaker 2: have a country.
23:14
Speaker 1: Let's bring in Australia's longest serving foreign mister, Alexander Downer,
23:17
Speaker 1: joins us this week from New Zealand. Good to talk
23:19
Speaker 1: to Alexander. Is this really about the nuclear deal, because
23:23
Speaker 1: if it is, then that's an admission perhaps that those
23:26
Speaker 1: important attacks on Iran last year perhaps didn't do the
23:29
Speaker 1: lamp the damage that was claimed at the time. Or
23:33
Speaker 1: is this also about the the massacre of dissidents and
23:37
Speaker 1: the civil unresting a round at the moment.
23:40
Speaker 6: So I think it's a lot to do with the
23:43
Speaker 6: civil unrest, and.
23:47
Speaker 11: As you put up, the massacre of the dissidents, because
23:51
Speaker 11: President Trump has threatened to run with military action if
23:56
Speaker 11: that massacre doesn't stop, and he's talked over the last
24:02
Speaker 11: week about negotiations that are taking place with the Iranian regime.
24:07
Speaker 11: I think his message is that the Americans will target
24:12
Speaker 11: Islamic Republican guard sites if they don't start making some
24:18
Speaker 11: sort of liberalization initiative, in particular allowing the demonstrators to demonstrate,
24:27
Speaker 11: and of course wrapping up the nuclear program once and
24:30
Speaker 11: for all as well.
24:32
Speaker 1: Of course, we can't get verifiable information out of a run,
24:36
Speaker 1: but it seems certain that at least tens of thousands
24:40
Speaker 1: of protesters have been killed by the regime. Shocking numbers
24:44
Speaker 1: of people gunned down by their own government for protesting,
24:48
Speaker 1: and certainly when it comes to motivations for possible American
24:52
Speaker 1: military action that seems to be the focus from the
24:55
Speaker 1: Secretary of State, He's Marco Rubie.
24:58
Speaker 12: Protest may have ebbed spark up again in the future
25:01
Speaker 12: because this regime, unless they are willing to change and
25:04
Speaker 12: or leave, have no way of addressing the legitimate and
25:07
Speaker 12: consistent complaints of the people of Iran who deserve better look.
25:12
Speaker 1: While the under Donald Trump, the US military took the
25:15
Speaker 1: size of action against the nuclear program last year. Also,
25:19
Speaker 1: the evilness if you like of this regime, both against
25:26
Speaker 1: its own people and the terrorism it's sponsored around the world,
25:29
Speaker 1: especially against Israel. Has been talked about and known by
25:33
Speaker 1: Western countries for so long. Would Trump really take military
25:37
Speaker 1: action to try and turn things around?
25:42
Speaker 11: I think, because you never know with President Trump, he's unpredictable,
25:47
Speaker 11: and there's a lot of the advantage in being unpredictable.
25:51
Speaker 11: But it's possible he could launch at tax on the
25:54
Speaker 11: Islamic Republican Guard Call, which the people who basically uphold
25:59
Speaker 11: the regime. I mean, this is a this is a
26:03
Speaker 11: big operation.
26:04
Speaker 6: They have some estimate up to a million members, but.
26:11
Speaker 11: They are the basic military support for the regime. So
26:16
Speaker 11: I think the Trump administration could launch at tax on
26:20
Speaker 11: their various bases and headquarters. They could do, but they
26:26
Speaker 11: obviously want to keep pressure on the regime. Iotola Kamani
26:31
Speaker 11: has apparently the Supreme Leader has apparently gone into hiding somewhere.
26:37
Speaker 11: Nobody seems to know where he is, though you expect
26:41
Speaker 11: the Israelis might know exactly.
26:44
Speaker 6: So we're just and see how it unfolds.
26:47
Speaker 1: And let's remember that this action and these threats and
26:50
Speaker 1: the moving of these military assets is likely saving innocent
26:54
Speaker 1: Iranian lives as we speak, it's likely keeping around back
26:58
Speaker 1: from killing its own people. This is what the Iranian
27:00
Speaker 1: Foreign Minister of us Rujni says. He says, our brave
27:04
Speaker 1: armed forces are prepared with their fingers on the trigger
27:07
Speaker 1: to immediately and powerfully respond to any aggression against our
27:11
Speaker 1: beloved land here and sea. So that's the sort of
27:15
Speaker 1: the defiance you get from a run. We will see
27:17
Speaker 1: what unfolds there. But Alexander, I wanted to get your
27:19
Speaker 1: thoughts too on East Team or a country that you
27:22
Speaker 1: were a pivotal player when Australia helped deliver independence for
27:27
Speaker 1: that country. Anthony Alberanez, he's been there. This week he
27:30
Speaker 1: signed a new broad agreement including security. Here's what the
27:34
Speaker 1: Prime Minister had to say.
27:36
Speaker 7: Partnership cements our cooperation across economic security, development and people
27:44
Speaker 7: to people relations right across the board, supporting our partners
27:49
Speaker 7: along the journey of economic development. Resilience is so important
27:53
Speaker 7: for securing opportunities for the entire region.
27:57
Speaker 1: Now, East Team has never really had a better friend
28:00
Speaker 1: in Australia. Has anything changed under this agreement?
28:05
Speaker 11: No, No, this is just a continuation of our relationship
28:09
Speaker 11: with EASE Team Or.
28:10
Speaker 6: They are not very.
28:11
Speaker 11: Easy people to deal with, to tell you the truth.
28:15
Speaker 11: But nevertheless, we don't want East Team or to fall
28:19
Speaker 11: under the influence of China, and so the Prime Minister's
28:23
Speaker 11: visit there is very timely and the security agreement with
28:28
Speaker 11: them is entirely appropriate. So I'm glad it's all sort
28:33
Speaker 11: of going reasonably well. But it's not a country that
28:38
Speaker 11: has been very well run. But we delivered back in
28:43
Speaker 11: nineteen ninety nine, we delivered their nationhood to them. Australia
28:49
Speaker 11: has been absolutely pivotal in supporting the new East Team Or,
28:54
Speaker 11: so it's nice for them occasionally to reciprocate the woman
29:00
Speaker 11: because most of the time they just criticize this.
29:03
Speaker 1: Indeed, all right, Alexander, good to catch up with you again.
29:06
Speaker 1: We'll see you in Sydney next week. We'll catch up
29:08
Speaker 1: with you in person. Alexander down to their Live from
29:11
Speaker 1: New Zealand. He's speaking in Sydney next week at a
29:14
Speaker 1: Center for Independent Studies event. Jump onto their website if
29:18
Speaker 1: you get the chance, and I'll be catching up with
29:21
Speaker 1: Alexander's biographer Tony Parkinson next Monday before that event on
29:25
Speaker 1: the Tuesday night in Sydney. Now we've better take a break.
29:29
Speaker 1: On the other side of that, I'm going to check
29:30
Speaker 1: in again on the economy and Jim Charmers delusional statements
29:33
Speaker 1: about government spending. Gigi Foster will join me. Cost of
29:41
Speaker 1: living is still a problem, inflation hasn't been beaten, and
29:44
Speaker 1: interest rates likely to go up next week. But Jim Charmers,
29:48
Speaker 1: the smirking treasurer reckons us all dandy. Let's go to
29:51
Speaker 1: Gigi Foster, the New South Wales University of New South Wales'
29:54
Speaker 1: economics professor. She joined us from Sydney GG. Good to
29:58
Speaker 1: talk to you again. You listen to economists, most economists
30:02
Speaker 1: to be fair, and certainly politicians on the right of center,
30:07
Speaker 1: and then compare them to what labor is saying about
30:10
Speaker 1: the economy. It sounds like they're talking about two very
30:13
Speaker 1: different economies. Surely government spending has something to do with
30:18
Speaker 1: our inflation problem.
30:20
Speaker 13: No, obviously that's true, and I think a prior guest
30:22
Speaker 13: of yours said that. But I would also say that
30:25
Speaker 13: some government spending these days, of course, has to go
30:28
Speaker 13: towards servicing the debt, right, and that means it doesn't
30:31
Speaker 13: really go into our economy in the traditional ways we
30:34
Speaker 13: think of often like with infrastructure spending or healthcare. But
30:38
Speaker 13: of course healthcare expenditures are going up, and we've had
30:41
Speaker 13: those massive electricity rebates, and so some of the costs
30:44
Speaker 13: that we're now experiencing as consumers are because of the
30:48
Speaker 13: removal of those rebates, and that's part of what has
30:51
Speaker 13: driven this inflation number most recently to go up. And
30:54
Speaker 13: also just you know, a few other things including recreation,
30:58
Speaker 13: domestic travel costs for them I have gone up. And
31:01
Speaker 13: in general, when you have more of the economy that
31:04
Speaker 13: has been determined in ways that are not directly about markets,
31:07
Speaker 13: it makes it very difficult for the RBA, first of
31:10
Speaker 13: all to figure out what's actually going on, what is
31:12
Speaker 13: the natural price level here, and secondly for the RBA
31:15
Speaker 13: to impact what those price levels are through its actions,
31:18
Speaker 13: because of course it operates through market forces, not through
31:21
Speaker 13: backroom deals or so we hope.
31:23
Speaker 1: Yeah. For instance, we hear of it also is of
31:25
Speaker 1: price gouging through the NDIS, and that might be a
31:29
Speaker 1: very artificial level of pricing that's funded by government that
31:32
Speaker 1: doesn't affect the rest of the economy. Let's have a
31:34
Speaker 1: listen to what the Treasurer said on the ABC last night.
31:39
Speaker 14: The increase in inflation today was primarily driven in fact
31:42
Speaker 14: by less government spending, by the withdrawal of energy rebates,
31:46
Speaker 14: plus holidays, plus housing. I don't think that any of
31:50
Speaker 14: that could be objectively attributed to government spending or the
31:54
Speaker 14: budget position.
31:56
Speaker 1: Is there more that he could be doing? Well?
31:59
Speaker 13: Certainly think there's more that the government could be doing
32:02
Speaker 13: in relation to structural problems in the economy which flow through,
32:05
Speaker 13: by the way, to the housing market. So he's quite
32:07
Speaker 13: right about housing costs, which themselves are fed by electricity costs. Right,
32:11
Speaker 13: It costs more to build a house when you have
32:14
Speaker 13: to pay more for electricity, and that's of course what's happened,
32:17
Speaker 13: particularly in Queensland and Wa in the last quarter. But
32:21
Speaker 13: you know, sure you could more targetedly kind of address
32:25
Speaker 13: particular problems, whether it's housing or healthcare, and be more
32:29
Speaker 13: efficient with how we are spending so that you don't
32:31
Speaker 13: have to tax as much and you don't have to
32:33
Speaker 13: spend as much. I mean, he is correct in that
32:36
Speaker 13: government revenues are coming down a bit with those Stage
32:39
Speaker 13: three tax cuts, and it is true that the rebates
32:42
Speaker 13: are going away, so those are good.
32:43
Speaker 1: Docking points, it's absolutely true.
32:45
Speaker 13: But still government spending as a percentage of GDP. The
32:48
Speaker 13: last forecast I saw it was going to reach a
32:51
Speaker 13: local maximum in twenty twenty five twenty six of twenty
32:53
Speaker 13: seven percent. Now that's nothing like what we saw during
32:56
Speaker 13: the COVID crisis, but it's still high relative to last year.
32:59
Speaker 13: So it is still this concern that the government is
33:01
Speaker 13: just spending too much, it's intervening too much in markets,
33:04
Speaker 13: there's not enough competition, and of course we also have
33:07
Speaker 13: disruptions overseas which are causing some supply chain issues. But
33:11
Speaker 13: really I'd like to see the government addressing some structural
33:13
Speaker 13: economic problems.
33:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, we need more productivity, greater productivity in the country,
33:17
Speaker 1: I think as well. We'll get onto that topic another time.
33:20
Speaker 1: It is complex because it's good for the budget that
33:24
Speaker 1: those rebates are coming off, but it's going to hurt
33:26
Speaker 1: some people who are getting the rebates. But then we're
33:29
Speaker 1: going to get the electricity prices going directly to people,
33:31
Speaker 1: and that's pushing up inflation as well. So you've got
33:34
Speaker 1: to get the fundamentals right. Just briefly, there was a
33:37
Speaker 1: great discussion on Ross Greenwood's program just before mind talking
33:41
Speaker 1: about how because so many of us have kept out
33:45
Speaker 1: mortgage repayments high. That is, when the interest rate cuts
33:48
Speaker 1: have come over the past year, we've kept paying the
33:51
Speaker 1: same level, thinking well, you know, we're going to chew
33:53
Speaker 1: into our mortgage a bit more. They're saying that any
33:56
Speaker 1: interest rate increase might not put up our mortgage payments,
34:01
Speaker 1: in which case the IBA would be increasing interest rates
34:05
Speaker 1: without having much of an effect on the economy.
34:08
Speaker 13: Exactly, that's right. And that's one thing that I mean,
34:10
Speaker 13: certainly because of the volatility of the rates recently, a
34:14
Speaker 13: lot of people, as you say, if they've had the
34:16
Speaker 13: extra money in the bank, and if the mortgage holders
34:19
Speaker 13: they often do they say, well, I'm just gonna you know,
34:22
Speaker 13: pay off a little more, and so we kind of
34:24
Speaker 13: just don't want to have to be constantly thinking about
34:26
Speaker 13: how much we're paying on our mortgage, right doesn't know,
34:28
Speaker 13: Let's just leave it there. And so that's true. Also,
34:31
Speaker 13: only what something like thirty percent a third or so
34:34
Speaker 13: off Australians actually own their homes, you know, are paying
34:37
Speaker 13: off a mortgage, and so you know, the actual fraction
34:39
Speaker 13: of the economy you're affecting through that particular mechanism is
34:43
Speaker 13: not that large. The other thing is of course this
34:45
Speaker 13: is partially a signal that Michelle Bullock is sending, and
34:48
Speaker 13: she's sending it not just to Australian investors and consumers
34:51
Speaker 13: but also to the government. So she may be also saying,
34:54
Speaker 13: in whatever decision she makes next week, Okay, well, if
34:58
Speaker 13: you're going to keep spending, I'm going to keep raising rates,
35:00
Speaker 13: or if you are gonna you know, not address some
35:03
Speaker 13: of these productivity problems and other baseline problems housing market,
35:06
Speaker 13: et cetera, well I'm gonna, you know, maybe punish you
35:10
Speaker 13: by raising rates, making it look even worse. So there's
35:13
Speaker 13: a little kind of political game that's going on as well.
35:16
Speaker 1: Fascinating stuff. Great to tap into your insights. Thanks again,
35:19
Speaker 1: gig Gigi Foster there from the University of New South Wales.
35:22
Speaker 1: Now that's kind of the only area of life at
35:24
Speaker 1: the moment it seems to make sense, and that is sport.
35:27
Speaker 1: We'll catch up with Mark Robinson, the former chief footy
35:30
Speaker 1: writer at the Herald Sun joins us from Victoria and
35:33
Speaker 1: and Mark, you know, it hurts me to say this,
35:35
Speaker 1: you know, as a former South Australian now Sydney sider,
35:38
Speaker 1: but it is indisputable. Melbourne remains the sporting capital of
35:43
Speaker 1: the country, if not the world, and the Australian Open
35:46
Speaker 1: has been fantastic to watch. Yet again, hasn't the tennis
35:49
Speaker 1: has been scintillating.
35:51
Speaker 15: Explain, Okay, I'm not rapped. I'm not in rapped in
35:54
Speaker 15: tennis like you are. But certainly the austral And Open
35:57
Speaker 15: has become a tennis tournament, fashion of event and a
36:01
Speaker 15: hugeiety attended. They're getting them on eighty ninety thousand to
36:05
Speaker 15: turn up. It's they've done a fantastic job to turn
36:09
Speaker 15: this into event. And that's what Melbourne sporting events do.
36:13
Speaker 15: They turn it into bigger than the sport. But the
36:16
Speaker 15: first week of the tennis made the biggest story is
36:18
Speaker 15: what Naomi Saka wore on the on the road and.
36:24
Speaker 1: Russian We did show it. We did show that last week.
36:27
Speaker 1: I must have been look and I've got to tell you,
36:29
Speaker 1: when it comes to tennis, become a big cricket fan
36:31
Speaker 1: and I'm going to come back to other sports in
36:32
Speaker 1: a moment, But when it comes to tennis, I get
36:35
Speaker 1: a bit blase about it. It's great fun to play,
36:38
Speaker 1: but I found it a bit boring to watch at times.
36:41
Speaker 1: I yearned for the days of Jimmy Connors and beyond
36:43
Speaker 1: Borg and John McEnroe. But I watched that first set
36:47
Speaker 1: the other night when dimon all up against our Raz
36:51
Speaker 1: and that was as good a set of tennis as
36:53
Speaker 1: I could see.
36:53
Speaker 11: Now.
36:53
Speaker 1: Our Kaz clearly outclassed him in the next two sets,
36:57
Speaker 1: and it was no shame to Dimonor, but that first
36:59
Speaker 1: set was just brilliant tennis.
37:02
Speaker 15: When you get the best players in the world playing
37:04
Speaker 15: at the best of their game in any sports, not
37:07
Speaker 15: just tennis, it is scintillating to watch. And that's when
37:10
Speaker 15: mere humans look at these people and say, Wow, look
37:14
Speaker 15: at the talent they've got. And Alex dimen Or, really
37:17
Speaker 15: he made a great run. And I really know what
37:19
Speaker 15: pisces me off. People have a crack at him for
37:22
Speaker 15: not getting past the quarterfinal. Let me just say this,
37:25
Speaker 15: dear Chris, if he was your son, and your son
37:29
Speaker 15: was top six or top eight in the world at
37:32
Speaker 15: his chosen sporting profession, you would be proud as punch.
37:37
Speaker 1: Absolutely, this guy is very good.
37:41
Speaker 15: He may not be a great tennis player, okay, but
37:45
Speaker 15: he shouldn't get criticized. This might just be his level
37:49
Speaker 15: that he's got to and well done to win he
37:52
Speaker 15: is top ten in the world.
37:54
Speaker 1: He played the best player in the world and could
37:56
Speaker 1: have had that first set pushed him to the limits.
37:59
Speaker 1: He's a ripper. And you know, I think of Darren Kle,
38:02
Speaker 1: the coaching supremo with now coaches Janick Sinner from a
38:05
Speaker 1: famous South Australian sporting family. Darren Cale was a great player,
38:09
Speaker 1: but he only ever got the semi finals. You get
38:12
Speaker 1: to a semi final of the Grand Slam. I think
38:14
Speaker 1: he might have done it twice at the US Open
38:16
Speaker 1: and he got knocked out by Ivan Lendall. You're a
38:19
Speaker 1: pretty good player if you get down to the last
38:21
Speaker 1: four in a Grand Slam and get knocked out by
38:23
Speaker 1: one of the greatest players ever.
38:24
Speaker 11: Yeah.
38:25
Speaker 15: Now I agree with that, and that brings us to
38:27
Speaker 15: the other great player, and Djokovic might be the best
38:30
Speaker 15: player ever. I had a conversation with someone, Yes, it
38:32
Speaker 15: wouldn't it be great to have the twenty five year
38:35
Speaker 15: old Jocovics versus the twenty five year old Wow. Yeah,
38:38
Speaker 15: Roger feder up, because it's hard to compare tennis players
38:43
Speaker 15: with their age and their feetness and their body. But
38:45
Speaker 15: Jokovic has had two walkovers in the last two matches.
38:50
Speaker 15: He's into the semis.
38:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, he goes in fresh. He goes in fresh because
38:54
Speaker 1: of the injuries of players against him. We'll see how
38:57
Speaker 1: he goes. I've got to get onto cricket twenty World
39:00
Speaker 1: Cup coming up. Steve Smith is not in the Australian squad.
39:04
Speaker 1: He's been building it to every corner of the ground
39:07
Speaker 1: in the Big Bash. Surely one of the world's premier batsman's,
39:11
Speaker 1: Australia's got to include him, don't they.
39:14
Speaker 15: If you listen to Mark I've been listening to Mark
39:16
Speaker 15: Wall talk on this and I agree with Mark ware
39:18
Speaker 15: so so much.
39:19
Speaker 1: He should be in the team.
39:20
Speaker 15: Maybe the batting order should be short Mark Steve Smith.
39:25
Speaker 15: No one could complain about that, and Smith came back.
39:28
Speaker 15: I didn't know if he still had this capability in
39:31
Speaker 15: increase to watch him bat in the BBL, because he
39:34
Speaker 15: started here as a Test match player. But what we saw,
39:38
Speaker 15: Book was this extraordinary attacking ability he's got, and the
39:43
Speaker 15: eye he's got, and the array of shots that he's
39:46
Speaker 15: got that he sometimes puts away when he plays Test gregorit.
39:49
Speaker 15: But his BBL series was as good as anyone's.
39:53
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. We'll just chuck up some pictures
39:55
Speaker 1: quickly of a bit of a biffo in the NBM
39:57
Speaker 1: basketball Brisbane Bullets versus the ADLAE two twenty six is
40:00
Speaker 1: got a bit rough and willing. We don't like that,
40:03
Speaker 1: but it's good to see basketball making the news likely.
40:06
Speaker 1: But I've got to say, Robbo, help me out here.
40:09
Speaker 1: Cricket's been great, the ashes were sensational, the Australian Open
40:12
Speaker 1: Tennis brilliant. As we're just saying, bit of basketball going
40:15
Speaker 1: on and BBL but god, I miss footy. How long
40:18
Speaker 1: do we have to wait?
40:20
Speaker 15: Hang onto yourses mate? I understand is in February twelve,
40:25
Speaker 15: but it just with that fight. There's a surprise that
40:28
Speaker 15: there's violence everywhere in the world now, everywhere there's a
40:31
Speaker 15: surprise that comes up on comes up on basketball.
40:35
Speaker 1: Great to talk to your Robbo. Robbo will be joining
40:37
Speaker 1: us every Thursday this year and I can't wait. Plenty
40:40
Speaker 1: of sport always happening around the place. Better get to
40:43
Speaker 1: a break now though. On the other side, we're going
40:45
Speaker 1: to have our National Cabinet with Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson.
40:47
Speaker 1: As protesters gather outside of Melbourne premiere for Marx movie
40:56
Speaker 1: Let's convene this meeting of National Cabinet. I'm sitting here
41:00
Speaker 1: our Sydney studios. Tim Blair is in the wild west
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Speaker 1: of Victoria, and Mark Peterson joins us from the heart
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Speaker 1: of the Heart of Melbourne. Mark Wilson step makes year.
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Speaker 1: It's great to have you both on board. Guys. Look,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to spend too much time talking about
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Speaker 1: the chaos on the conservative side of politics. But Mark,
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Speaker 1: if you're drawing cartoons of political leaders as of next
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Speaker 1: week with a challenge in the NATS, you could be
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Speaker 1: drawing Colin Boyce. Have you Have you worked up a
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Speaker 1: caricature of him yet?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got I've got I've got to brush up
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Speaker 3: on what Colin Boyce looks like. But we're here in
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Speaker 3: rumblings and we've got Hasty, we got Taylor. We haven't
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Speaker 3: even done those blokes yet. But I've been I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I've been traveling around with Pauline in the one nation bubble.
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Speaker 3: I don't know what these minor parties are up to.
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Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on with these little minor parties.
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Speaker 3: We don't have to I'm on the central one. These
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Speaker 3: guys need to get it together if they want to
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Speaker 3: have any chance.
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Speaker 1: There's a big cast, Tim, There's a big cast of players,
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Speaker 1: some of them not so well known.
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Speaker 16: Yes, but I think Mark's got a great point. While
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Speaker 16: the Conservative you know, the official big c Conservative fight
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Speaker 16: of politics as all you know, who was going to
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Speaker 16: take on the season Lee and what's going to happen
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Speaker 16: with the Nats. The real challenge is one nation. One
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Speaker 16: nation is challenging them. It's not internal anymore. Keep having
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Speaker 16: this little internal fight, you're gonna get a lot of trouble.
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Speaker 16: And now with the Holy Valance single and everything, one Nation,
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Speaker 16: they've got one Nation a riding the pop culture wave.
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Speaker 16: It's like it's time in nineteen seventy two with Kevin
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Speaker 16: O seven. They've got a bit of an edge.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 16: The sort of pop culture market and that sort of
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Speaker 16: stuff should be they should be a lot more threatened
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Speaker 16: than they think they are.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Mark, you've turned You've turned Australian politics into south
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Speaker 1: Park and it's almost as successful. You've been doing the
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Speaker 1: movie tour. We previewed it with you on Monday. There
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Speaker 1: have been threats of cancelations of some of the major screenings.
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Speaker 1: Here's a clip of you and the car with Paul
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Speaker 1: when you when you heard that one threatened cancelation was
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Speaker 1: not happening, haven't.
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Speaker 6: Look, we can confirm that the booking will proceed.
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Speaker 3: The screening and associated Q and A take place tomorrow
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Speaker 3: evening are now formally confirmed.
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Speaker 6: Fantastic. That's great. So that was one hundred percent.
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Speaker 2: That was one hundred percent.
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Speaker 15: That phoncal you had where you told them.
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Speaker 6: That's stuff as we're coming.
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Speaker 3: These people have paid their money, They've organized babiesits have
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Speaker 3: flown in from all over the country for this event.
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Speaker 6: Once she heard that sheet back down completely.
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Speaker 1: Mate, It's a cartoon. It's a funny, satirical cartoon smashing
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Speaker 1: the woke. Why are people so afraid of showing in
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Speaker 1: the similar cinemas?
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Speaker 3: I have no idea that they're being overly prejudicial. In
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Speaker 3: my opinion, it's a it's a super progressive movie. It's
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Speaker 3: actually it's not a hateful movie at all. If they
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Speaker 3: actually go and see it, I think that actually enjoy it.
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Speaker 3: But Mate, that was such a fun experience, Paul, and
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Speaker 3: is honestly the real deal. Will struggling all day with
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Speaker 3: these people, we're on the phone. We're going up against
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Speaker 3: you know, just barriers to barriers, and then eventually we
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Speaker 3: just went Mum, can you please talk to them? And
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Speaker 3: Mum got on the phone and she laid down the
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Speaker 3: law and said, look, we're coming by hook or by crook.
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Speaker 3: These people have got babysitters, they've organized trip. We're coming
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Speaker 3: quite literally, the phone went silent. She has like she
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Speaker 3: dropped the phone, and then the next thing we heard
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Speaker 3: was that was that email. So yeah, she really did
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Speaker 3: it for the people. And yeah, I'm so grateful because
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Speaker 3: she's kept this movie and this tour alive.
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Speaker 2: It's very cool.
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Speaker 3: But no, we're having a ball. We're having an absolute
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Speaker 3: ball with this tour. And we're here tonight in Nam,
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Speaker 3: the Home of Nam.
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Speaker 1: It's all set where the movie starts. And yeah, you
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Speaker 1: got a preview, well a premiere there tonight in Melbourne.
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Speaker 1: I'll just show you something that's circulating now on Instagram.
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Speaker 1: They're planning to protest at your Melbourne premiere and they're
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Speaker 1: saying that we've been told Village Cinemas of backflip. They're
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Speaker 1: going to allow it, so let's have a rally tonight.
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Speaker 1: They're going to meet it Jeff Shed and presumably march
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Speaker 1: on down there to the cinema. They say no to
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Speaker 1: racism and no to one nation. Tim. This is the
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Speaker 1: extraordinary thing about it, No to racism and no to
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Speaker 1: one nation. I wonder if any of them have actually
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Speaker 1: seen the film and know what they're protesting against exactly.
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Speaker 16: That's a lot of the way they're so flexible over time,
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Speaker 16: our leftist friends. It's not so long ago, like I
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Speaker 16: read about the time that Jeff Shed was being built,
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Speaker 16: that they were protesting about Jeff. Now they're protesting about
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Speaker 16: the next They just keep moving along and they never
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Speaker 16: reflect on the fact that, hey, we might have got
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Speaker 16: it wrong back then. Let's maybe review that going forward.
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Speaker 16: Oh no, no, no, it's all screaming, all rage, all
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Speaker 16: outrage all the time. Now, wonder people get tired of
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Speaker 16: it and move on.
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Speaker 1: Well, let me share with you slip it from a
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Speaker 1: film that perhaps they should be protesting against. The documentary.
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Speaker 1: It's been coupled together by the monarch, the King of Australia.
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Speaker 9: Here he is if dedicated much of my life to
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Speaker 9: the restoration of harmony between humanity, nature and the environment.
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Speaker 9: I think we need to follow harmony forget to ensure
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Speaker 9: that this planet can support too.
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Speaker 1: Many You're going to be turning over with that premiere.
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Speaker 3: Mark, what is it with the royal wading shows on Netflix?
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Speaker 3: You've got me and Markel warning a show she's got.
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Speaker 1: What's this is this streaming Wars? With the motech's going
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Speaker 1: on streaming?
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Speaker 3: We're gonna get the artist formerly known as Prince Andrew like,
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Speaker 3: what's he gonna do? No sweat documentary. This is going
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Speaker 3: to be ridiculous, the dumb.
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's streaming Wars. I think they're all
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Speaker 1: competing for the claim or of who saved the planet.
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Speaker 1: I mean, have a look at what the king said
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Speaker 1: in the past.
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Speaker 9: We are seeing alarming tipping points being reached. The dangers
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Speaker 9: are no longer distant risks they've always rather subscribed to.
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Speaker 9: The catastamis here. It's unfortunately, as human beings, we tend
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Speaker 9: to leave everything until it's virtually too late, and they
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Speaker 9: were just about to fall over the edge of the cliff.
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Speaker 11: Listen.
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Speaker 9: Cop twenty six begins in Glasgow tomorrow. Quite literally, it
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Speaker 9: is the last chance saloon at this historic tipping point,
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Speaker 9: with the lives and livelihoods of present and future generations
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Speaker 9: in mind, who were already seen the Arctic melting bits
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Speaker 9: of Antarctica and now you know, dropping off and melting.
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Speaker 1: Tim with his last chance saloon and so many tipping points,
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Speaker 1: he's got to get the doco out before we're all
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Speaker 1: white down.
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Speaker 16: It's it's kind of fun, isn't it that when somebody
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Speaker 16: is in a literal castle he's telling us about how terrible, terrible,
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Speaker 16: terrible power as well, Like all of his claims turn
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Speaker 16: out to be. As with all these claims from our
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Speaker 16: gore down, they're always wrong. The Arctic is still there.
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Speaker 16: Bl Moral Castle hasn't caught tire all of his ridiculous exaggerations.
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Speaker 16: It's just not but people with stupid Pomme accents in
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Speaker 16: mansions in Los Angeles or castles in the UK telling
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Speaker 16: us about the planet dying.
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Speaker 1: He could wander around Bucky in Palace and Windsor Castle
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Speaker 1: and Sandringham of State and bow Morale, all his small holdings,
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Speaker 1: and he wouldn't see any evidence of on the water.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, guys. We'll catch you next week.
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Speaker 1: Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson. They're always a great way
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Speaker 1: to wrap up the week. I want to share some
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Speaker 1: of your feedback from what I had to say last
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Speaker 1: night about Scott Morrison's speech. One viewer says, Morrison finally
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Speaker 1: calls out the elephant in the room. Now for the PM.
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Speaker 1: Another viewer says, a strong and courageous speech from Morrison
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Speaker 1: calling this out honestly is essential for peace and global safety,
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Speaker 1: while Christine says outrageous. I keep yelling about Iran here
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Speaker 1: in the US and no one seems to care. This
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Speaker 1: hurts my heart. I feel helpless, and Paul says, thank you,
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Speaker 1: Chris Kenny. You are a voice alone here in the
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Speaker 1: Australian meter. But I'm not alone. But there aren't too
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Speaker 1: many outside of this station. That's the problem. Now, this
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Speaker 1: is the end of my little stint for the week.
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Speaker 1: Tomorrow night watch at this time for the Bond Report.
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Speaker 1: As you know, Caleb Bond calls it as he sees it.
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Speaker 1: It'll be a fantastic hour of television. But what I
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Speaker 1: like about it best is it means that on this
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Speaker 1: station Monday to Friday, that five o'clock hour is owned
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Speaker 1: by Adelaide Crowe's supporters. I'll see you next week. Here's
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Speaker 1: Peter Quedlin