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EP 26: Halloween Special - The Thing (1982) Review · The Podyssey: A Film Podcast

• henry: Hey guys, welcome back to the poddicy. I'm Henry Wilkinson. I'm Andrew Mosley. This is episode 26 of the poddicy. Happy Halloween. We're recording this on October 31st. That'll be coming out a little bit later. And you guys are listening to it. But today we're going to be reviewing the 1982 classic the thing We're not being horror movie fans on this podcast as we've expressed that before But Andrew watched this sometime within the last year really really loved it. We saw that it was being shown at our local theater for They're doing some sort of like scary movie thing for October. They were showing some classics. They showed psycho They showed like the original Frankenstein We saw this as being shown. was a last minute thing. We're like, yeah, let's go see it and let's do a podcast about it. So my first time watching it, Andrew's second time watching it, got to see it in a theater. Package crowd, it was awesome. Yeah, so we'll be doing that full review today. But first, Andrew, what else have you been watching? I didn't really watch a ton of movies once again, which sucks. Neither but I didn't I didn't He's allergic to logging dude I actually I'll just I'll get on a streak where I do it like right after the film then I'll get on a streak where I don't do it like the whole week and then I'm I watched The thing obviously if you watch last night I watched young Frankenstein, which is Mel Brooks. Jean Wilder Probably from the... Late 60s, early 70s. They might have showed that at the theater. Did they? Or no, they showed. 74. They showed the one from like the 30s, I think. Like the original Frankenstein. All right. So funny. Yeah, it's great. It's on your watch list. Yeah. What's it got on Linderbox? You haven't pulled up? 4.0. So you haven't logged it yet. Do know what you'd give it about? I'd probably give it a four, four and a half. This whole area is. Okay, good. Yeah, I like Mel Brooks. I love Gene Wilder too. It was just funny. I watched Coraline. Next episode we're going to do, or is that a spoiler? No, not a spoiler. We're going to do a Lyca Studios episode. Well, in two episodes, because next episode. Right, sorry, two episodes. So I've been trying to prepare for that. I will go see Wildwood on Tuesday. that's sweet. I got to watch Kubo and then I'll probably watch Paranorman. I don't know if I'm going to get to the sloth one. Missing link. Disrespect. That's disrespectful. I know. just, I don't know. The box trolls? Box trolls looks kind of good. It actually did. don't know. I watched the trailer for it because me and Addison. watched Kubo however many weeks ago and then watched Paranorman last week and she's vibing with the Leica stuff and so we just watched a trailer she said she might be interested in watching it so I'll definitely watch it before next episode because I care about the podcast. Right yeah I don't care at all. Yeah. I probably won't. But I mean they're all just cool how they're made so like. So what have you only seen Coraline? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you've seen that before, right? Yeah, I watched it a long time ago. But yeah, I rewatched it. It was a lot better than what I remembered. was really good. Did I watch anything else? watched 75 % of the prestige came home from the theater from the thing in my I was just like I was like mentioned to him a week ago we were just he was just like the podcast or whatever and I was like good and me and my brother were talking about the century episode that I was like bro do you even have skyfall on it do whatever he's just just the movies that he likes and was like no and he's a What was your number one pick and I was like the prestige and my dad's like what's that? He'd never heard of it and you guys watched inception together, right? We watched interstellar together and her cellar and So I just like I was just like, yeah, it's like my favorite movie ever. Yeah, he's like, okay And then I just came downstairs and he's just watching he's like He was at the part like where Angie or sees all of his hats. Yeah. At Tesla's place, he's like that. And then Reza got done. He's like, what the heck? What does that mean? Or whatever. So I was trying to explain it to him. And that's yeah, I remember after we watched Interstellar, he was just like, that was stupid. He's like, I don't get it. And I was I think I was in seventh grade. I was like, yeah, well, I was like, I don't get it either. So but yeah, I think he liked it. And then this morning, he was like asking me questions too, which I thought was funny. just know he's just thinking about it because he likes to figure stuff out. I'd log that. I'd log that on letterbox. I personally would. 75 % prestige? Yeah. think I'm literally just going to like maybe tonight I'll just watch the first or just watch it again. I'm going to just watch it again. Yeah. Trying to be as ethical as possible. Yeah, I don't want to. I like the first he's not trying to farm logs. Yeah, no, I'm not a log farmer. But I honestly like I like the first part of the movie like better honestly. Like the second half is really good, but I like the build up. I like the lead like the journal back and forth. Yeah. And I'm like halfway through the book and the book is really good too. It's like about the. It's about Angier's, no, it's about Borden's great-great-grandson. So that just makes it cooler what Nolan did as I'm reading it. I mean, it talks about the back and forth between Angier and Borden, but you can just kind of see what Nolan does with it. Yeah, aspiring readers on this. Yeah, yeah. I'm looking for a new book. I'm an aspiring reader. What about you? You've been watching. You watched a great flick. Great. Well, I watched It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown. Banger. Why don't you just give that a five? Why are you giving it a heart? I don't know, dude. Just give it a five, bro. It's a five. Yeah, I should just give it a five. I don't know. When I started, not when I started, that's not like I'm like an avid short film watcher, but it's just like I just, I had only been logging like feature length movies and then I was watching like short, shorter movies and I was kind of giving them ratings and then after a while I'm like, I don't even know how I give these a rating compared to like a feature length movie. Like it's just too hard. So then I just stopped rating them. and then I just give them a heart if I really liked it. But it's a great pumpkin Charlie Brown is just a freaking classic and all the Charlie Brown like holiday ones always watch them every year on the holidays. So I'll watch the Thanksgiving one and Christmas one too. They're all great. Then watch Wildwood. Man. So good. Really freaking good. It might be, I think it's my second favorite theater experience of the year. And it might be my second favorite movie of the year, I don't know yet. Behind the Odyssey. Behind the Odyssey. Dang. It is just like, I can't even fathom what's happening on the screen just knowing everything that went behind it. And I've seen a lot of people that are like, well, it's, you know. It's derivative and it's pulling from Lord of the Rings and Narnia and all these other movies. And like we've seen this story before and I'm just like. basically every movie is modeled after something else. It's so hard to have a completely original story, which is why anytime there is something that you think is completely original or feeling it's completely original, it's really, really special. But just because it's pulling inspiration from really good movies doesn't just make me hate the story. If anything, I think it's really cool that they're pulling from some really monumental cultural movies like Lord of the Rings and Narnia and Obviously I haven't seen all of Leica's movies but it seems like their first time really leaning into fantastical elements and just really really cool to see in a stop motion medium. Like I just I don't know how they did it. It's really really crazy. Had to watch a bunch of behind the scenes stuff. Yeah, just a great time at the theater. Five stars for me. Going again on Tuesday. Yeah, I can't wait. Then I watched The Ring with my dad and my brother. They wanted to watch a scary movie. My brother really likes it. It's a early 2000s horror, and it's like a remake of either a Japanese or Korean horror. So I really want to watch the original. It was good. I gave it a three stars. It had me really locked in for the first two thirds of it. then there's like almost, there's little to no. gosh, ambiguity. Is that the right pronunciation of that? At the end of the movie, just because it's so over-expository at the end, just showing and telling you everything that happens. And I think it's meant to be this big reveal and twist kind of thing. I think a lot of people really like that. But for me, I just. the prestige, like movies that end with, that really leave you thinking and being like, what did I just watch? Like what just kind of happened sort of thing. I gravitated a little bit more towards those, but it was still really, really fun. And it's like an atmospheric horror. Like there's not really jump scares. And I really liked those sort of movies more than like a traditional horror, I guess. Yeah, and then I think I watched the thing and that was it. There's been a lot to watch lately. know. Playoff baseball, World Series. Shout out to the Brewers. Yeah, Brewers, World Series champs. I'm not even a Brewer fan, but it was fun to watch. I'm just cool for Wisconsin. The Packers played on Thursday. Badgers are playing right now. are they? Playing Iowa. It's big game. They played at 11. I didn't know that. Yeah, the big noon game. Let's check the schedule. Or check the score. 10-0 Iowa. They just can't. Okay, fourth and goal at the Iowa one. Now Badgers have the ball. Really? All right. Dang. But yeah, I don't know, just didn't watch Tungz. There was a lot of stuff to watch. And yeah, just been busy. Movie news. Rest in peace to Patrick Stewart. He was in a of movies, but I mean, I watched him in the X-Men movies. He's gonna be in doomsday. Yeah, coming back is his magneto So yeah, he's a, I know, I saw a really cool video on Instagram, just him talking about movies and art, which was cool. he was very old, he lived a great life, so. But yeah, very influential in movies and yeah, Sheep Detectives, goaded movie, right? Chicken Little, you like Chicken Little? I remember liking it. I don't remember anything about it though. just figured as a baseball guy. Yeah, I mean it's... It's one of your favorites. Yeah, one of my favorites. Just missed the century. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't really have that much more for movie news. I just saw that. Jennifer Lawrence is going to do another Hunger Games. yeah. Or has that been known? No, I don't know. Her and Hutchinson. Yeah. Or they tease that they're gonna be in the movie that's coming out or something like that. Yeah, I don't I don't know what's going on there Really yeah, yeah think it's like alien, that's like a... I know, they had Alien Covenant, it was like Prometheus, Alien Covenant, Alien Romulus, and this is gonna be like the fourth one to that or something like that. Guzikowski is gonna write it. Guzikowski, alright. He's writing it, I don't know if he's directing it. Guzikowski. so. Yeah, so I don't know, yeah that'll be cool. And then I just saw some pictures from Ghost Rider, Ryan Gosling, Ghost Rider. Big news with Ghost Rider. Linus Sangren is going to do the cinematography for that, which is kind of an interesting choice for him. He'll be coming off of Dune Part III. He's a great cinematographer. He's done La La Land, Babylon. Yeah, very highly respected cinematographer. interesting choice for him to do an MCU movie. I think it's a great move by. MCU to have him doing it. think that it'll hopefully look a little different. So they're Marvel moves, but yeah, it's exciting. He's worked with Ryan Gosling before, obviously, on Lala Land. I think he did First Man, too, which Gosling's in. So they have a little bit of a working relationship there. And then speaking of Linus Sangren, the final trailer for Dune 3 release and It just looks so good. I'm very excited for that. Dude, yeah, there is. mean, there's so many movies coming out, soon too. Yeah. Wild Horse 9, Godzilla. Cliff Booth, Hunger Games. Madden. Madden. It's kind of junk, but Mosquito Bowl. Have you seen anything about the Mosquito Bowl? Is that already out? I don't know either. I know people have seen it. I don't know if it's like a wide release or what. And also with Dune, they announced that Dune 1 and 2 are getting a re-release in IMAX from November 13th to the 17th. so they're going to do like a double feature for one of the days where Dune 1 and 2 are playing back to back. And then. They'll have other individual showings for the respective movies. Dang. I might take part in that, and go in to see the second one in IMAX. What do you mean, see the second one? I might go to the cities and see the second one, doing part two. you're not going to do the double feature. No, probably not, because I looked and the tickets are really expensive for both of them. Which, I mean, it kind of makes sense, because it's like, it's the price for two movies to see an IMAX. Yeah, so was 35 bucks, which is probably worth it. But yeah, I for sure. That's something that's probably what I would have expected it to be. Going to see the, because the Odyssey was 18 bucks, I think, for a ticket. So 35. Yeah. Makes sense. Makes sense. Which I'm actually kind of, I don't know. I was wondering if maybe it'd be more expensive, it's like an event type of thing. Yeah, so those are getting re-released in IMAX. I'm sure a lot of people will go and see those leading up to the December 18th release date. The Nathan Feeler's documentary, you can see everything surpass $50 million. I had it somewhere. think it's like the third highest grossing non-music documentary or something like that. the third non-music documentary ever to reach that milestone. So people are loving that. Me and Andrew really want to go see it. We just haven't really found a time to go see it. But I definitely want to. What are you doing after this? I want to see that. I'm just kidding. No, yeah, we got to we we do have to go see it at some point though I think that's all I got for movie news. So what did you think of the thing? I really liked it. Really? I was worried you weren't going to like it. No, I really liked it. I don't know what I'm going rate it. I haven't logged it yet or anything. It's got, I think I've said this before, but I love a movie with good bookends. It's got a good opening sequence and a good ending sequence. yeah. That kind of just ties everything together. That obviously really helps. And the opening was really, really good. And the last scene was really, really good, And. We got there a little bit after the show time was eight. It's on me. Well, I got there like right at eight, too. It's not. No, it's on me. I didn't see anyone else pull up after. So and it was at the mall when they don't. Yeah, so the theater we were at, you don't pick your seats when you get there, or when you're buying your ticket. You just get your tickets and then you sit wherever. And so we get there and the theater's like packed and there's maybe like one row of seats where there's two spots open. I'm like, well, we might just be front rowing it. And we front rowed it. And right away, like, I'm like, I'm having to like follow this, follow the movements around with my head. And Andrew said he saw me doing that right from the get-go, which is pretty funny. But it was, it was honestly like, I don't really mind. I don't either have to scan the screen a little bit people hate like it's not ideal, but it's yeah, I don't I don't hate it. I don't hate it either. Yeah, it didn't it didn't take anything away from the movie. It was a great experience Very very similar to Ridley Scott's alien, which I watched before the Ridley Scott episode can definitely see the era of sci-fi horror filmmaking that it was then and I'm sure it drew some inspiration from Alien. But yeah, just a lot of fun. all the characters are just under like a heavy microscope every time they're on the screen. Yeah, I don't want to spoil anything, but yeah, it's just, you're really just always analyzing the character's behavior every time because you're trying to figure the... figure out the mystery of this thing. Especially on a second watch, I'm like... Are they giving something away? Yeah, I'm trying to see who goes into what room. Like who, who... I don't know. Would you say that the movie benefited from a re-watch? Yeah, it was actually after the hours of YouTube deep dive in like the after the first time I watched it I watched so many YouTube videos. It was awesome to see in a theater. I've never like seen a I've only seen new releases in a theater. Yeah, I've never gone to yeah, I think a classic like that or anything. Yeah So that was really cool. And it was just cool to see the theater packed like I wasn't expecting that I guess but a lot of people wanted to pull up for the thing I guess but Also, the movie poster is so sick. Yeah, I just love the movie poster movie posters iconic so sick But yeah, I think, can't remember what episode we talked about. Movie flops. One of the ones shortly after Digger came out, but the thing is one of the more famous box office and critic flops that kind of had a reclamation later with fans and critics alike and. Yeah, I don't know, people just weren't ready for it, I guess. I guess so. People weren't vibing with it. was, I mean, it's like very extreme and out there and just kind of different. Yeah, now it's one of the more famous sci-fi movies of all time. And obviously, it didn't help that it came out around the same time as ET. And so you have very two different depictions of an alien. maybe people just liked the more heartwarming story with ET. yeah, let's get into spoilers. Right away the opening scene, it just looks great with the kind desolate landscape and the snow. chasing the Husky with a helicopter. like, why the heck is this dude shooting at this You're rooting for the dog. Yeah, you're like, what's going on? What's this weirdo doing? Then he pulls up and he says a bunch of gibberish. Which in hindsight, was not gibberish. I don't know, it Norwegian? Is that what they say? Norwegian. In Norwegian, he says like, That's not a dog. It's a thing get away from that thing or something Yep, the order I was looking at IMDB and they have like a trivia section. It says it translates to Get the hell out of there. That's not a dog. It's some sort of thing. It's imitating a dog it isn't real get away you idiots and obviously the the people that are at the camp or whatever think that He's just pulling up. He's trying to shoot the dog. He shoots the guy in the leg. They see him as a threat. And shoots him up the window like sheriff guy or whatever. His name is Gary Gary. Yeah, Gary shoots him. Which, obviously I came to the I found that out like after I watched the movie and I was looking into it. But there's like good intent to that opening scene when right away when I'm watching it, I'm kind of like I don't really know what's going on. I don't suspect anything from the dog. I just think it's a dog. Yeah. And you see it. You see it lick one of the guy's faces right when it gets. dang. Licks one of the guy's faces right when it shows up. Dang, I did not catch that. There is also, I was going to say this before, there's like a sequel to the thing. Is it? It's like. Is it a direct sequel or is it like a John Carpenter like? I think it's like a. I don't know, it's like terrible. I don't know if it's an ice forever scene that There's no theatrical sequel. But there is a prequel. OK, maybe that's what it is. It's like 2011? Yeah. OK. It'll ruin the movie either way. Yeah, it probably will Yeah, and the non, at the beginning when I was talking non-spoilers, like once you start to catch on what's going on, like every time they're showing a character, I'm trying to be like, all right, is he acting differently or what? Yeah. What were you thinking like right away? Like, did you know anything about the movie? I had no idea. You didn't know it was like alien? I knew, I knew. So. Couple years ago my brother and my dad were watching the movie in the living room and I just walked by during One of the scenes where Someone's turning into the thing. Okay, and my brother and my dad were just dying laughs They like just they love they love the movie, huh, but they also find some humor like practical effects for sure. Yeah And I'm just like, what the heck are they watching? So I knew that it had like something to do with humans. But I like had no idea that it was basically this organism that was just trying to like imitate stuff or whatever. So the dog had no clue. Like that first scene where it goes into the cage and like turns into the thing or whatever, did not see that coming. At first when the dog kind of sits down, I thought maybe the dog was seeing something in the cage with them, like an alien type thing or whatever. And it just opens up and starts just... The practical effects are like, they just look like, it looks like it's from the alien. It's very just like... But it's like, I don't know, it's crazy. I've... It's like good and bad at the same time. Yeah. I've... So apparently the guy that did the practical effects, I think I have it. Yeah, I feel like I remember something about this. The effects were created by Rob Botton, who was only 22 when he started the project. Dang. So literally our age doing that stuff. That's crazy. And that's like one of the... pioneers for special effects in a movie. I know my brother said they use melted gum and just a bunch of other stuff to create it, which is just crazy. But it's cool to... Yeah, it's all made by it. There's no computer. It's all just... It's cool to know that they had to go through all that time and effort and creativity to... to put that on screen. But yeah, I have a hard time with some other movies. maybe not like practical effects, effects. And I think this worked for me because they were practical. It looked like it was tangible and real and all this stuff. And it does add a little bit of humor to it. I know that's not the intent to it, but when that dude's just walking out like. the head or whatever. and all the all the actors just laughing. Yes. Like, I just thought that was great. And yeah, there were definitely times during the movie where like everyone in the theater like had a laugh. Yeah. Which was not the intent of the scene. But that's just kind of how it's aged. Yeah. Which I think kind of makes it a little bit more special. I was thinking that too. I was like, there's no way like this is made to be funny. Yeah. not. Everyone's just laughing. Definitely not. I don't like your first time watching it really like all that like this is kind of funny No, I was like I really I locked I remember being locked in yeah watching it crawl out of the door. Yeah, yeah that I don't know. guess it is funny. Yeah, it absolutely is funny. I guess seeing it in a theater definitely enhances that. But I feel like either way it would have been kind of like, that's kind of funny. But yeah, really, really cool what they did with all the practical effects and just how they did everything. A lot of the times in movies, I feel like they're... More often than not, I don't really notice a bad score. I don't know if I've really ever encountered a movie where I'm like, that's a bad score. But there are definitely movies where scores dramatically propel a movie from good to great, or from great to an all-timer. But John Carpenter, he's known for composing most of the movies he does. He didn't do this one. And it's just like, I think it's just because it's so minimal. There hardly is a score to it. But I think that it works really well for this movie and this atmosphere. I think you just feel like you're more in the scene with the characters. Yeah, it's just got the ominous, it's just like two notes. Yeah. Or it's the same note. Yeah. it just plays. when it pans to the dog under the table, you hear it. And you hear it at the end of the film with McCready and Chiles. And yeah, I mean, it's just, I think it's good. Yeah, like it's not it's very simple. Yeah, there's nothing. There's nothing really to it. It just adds like a little bit of suspense. And again, like in a movie where it's, I don't know, just such a suffocating environment. feel like it just works to have something more simple. Yeah. And just make you feel like you're more immersed with the characters and yeah, it's very intense. Yeah, I don't know. I kept on going back and forth the entire time. Like, okay, McGreedy's the thing. Like, he's definitely the thing. Okay. He's not the thing. All right. He's definitely the thing. Like I don't As soon as I knew that it was imitating whatever and that it had to do with people, I'm like, okay, it's gotta be McCready. He's the one that's orchestrating everything. And why him? I don't know, just because he said he was gonna be, basically. Gary, the sheriff or whatever, is basically like, I can't do this. Someone else has to lead these guys and child's like, All right, say less. And they're like, no, no, no. Yeah. you. And then it just, I don't know, they just were cool with McGreedy being it. I'm like, okay, so he's the thing. And then... Yeah, I just, I still don't know. I think he's automatically ruled out because of... The first scene when... When he's playing chess against the computer, yeah and Like the computers beats him. Yep, and he's like Not like no he just pours his drink in the computer basically like And he says, cheating bitch. He's a cheating bitch. He pours his drink in the in the computer and then it just fries the computer. And then at the end, when they're like basically like the last three guys are like fighting the thing, he's like, we're not going to make it. this thing isn't going to make it either. Kind of like the same mentality. let's just blow it up. Yeah. I don't care if I die. Like I'm going to pour the drink into the I'm gonna blow this thing up. Yeah, but maybe Because if it's alive like in him, isn't that like all that matters? Yeah, but not if they burn. Yeah, but I guess I don't know if he knew he was going to make it out of there. Right. I don't know. I don't know, because then there's his torn up whatever jacket, which never gets explained, which I love. I'm glad they don't. I don't know, just give some cop-out explanation for why his ripped up jacket is just in the middle of, right? Because isn't it just in the middle of the camp? The guy with the glasses finds it. Yeah. And then he comes racing back to the camp. Wait, no, no, they go outside and they see it because that guy finds it and it gets and he gets torched. Remember, they go outside because they're like, where'd he go? And he's just in a pile and he's just torched. No, but then they're like, why would the thing torch him? Yeah, then, OK, yeah, he but then. Wait, what is it? I can't remember the other black guys name, not Childs, but remember, like they go out and he because the light was on in his shed and he's like, OK, the light was off when I left, me and this guy are going to go check it out. And then he comes racing back to the camp. They're like, where's McGreedy? Where's McGreedy? And he's like, I don't know, but I. Didn't he say, I saw his jacket or something in the snow? He cuts them loose off the tether. they were tethered together? They're tethering back to the camp. And he cuts them loose. Why does he cut them loose? Something explanation for cutting him loose. It was didn't have anything to do with the jacket No, okay, and then he's like and then they're basically gonna leave him out there McGready. Yeah. Yeah, and then he came back without him, which is what those were the instructions To leave him there that if anyone came back by themselves right to Not let anyone else in yes, and he breaks in the window. Yeah And then, Did they do a blood test after that? No, okay, so then... Then, Clark, who's the guy that was like really close with the dogs. He's like basically the dog whisperer in the movie. He's got that... like pocket knife or whatever. And McGrady's trying to explain himself and trying to come up with a plan, like, what do I do, basically. Yeah. and then he goes after him and... He goes after him and so McGrady shoots him. Then they do the blood test. Then they do the blood test. And Clark and the doctor were both human. Yep. human. People say like, people I think like, who think Macready is the thing, say like the blood test can be skewed or like, it's not 100%. Yeah. Like foolproof or whatever. But. Which is a, it's a possibility. Yeah, but the blood also jumps from. the one guy and then he turns into the thing right there in the chair. Yeah. In the couch. And they torch him. Yeah. And is that when it tries to get away and they torch it again? Right. Yeah. No, like the spider thing. Yeah. No, that's when, that's when the dude like leans back, hits his head. And then they try to like, yeah. It just goes and opens up. That was funny, but that was actually kind of sick. I was not expecting that at all. Yeah, yeah, the chest gets the dock. And then it tries to escape. Yeah, and then agree to test them one by one. Palmer is the guy who that was that's the other black guy or no no that's the it's like the pilot or yeah he is the one who turns into the thing right there yep and then then they go and try and then Blair they don't they know that Blair is the thing because they go and they don't see him. He's not in the crazy guy. Yeah. And they go underneath the Yeah. Shed. And the thing is trying to build a spaceship. Yeah. Yeah. But here's why I think it's child's because he turned the power out. Childs goes outside and they tell him to stay inside. And I don't know what the other black guy's name is. And then when would it, when? They're like, they're like, I just saw Childs go and then lights go out. And then they don't see him again until they get inside. then he's just all of sudden inside. McCready's like, where were you, Childs? And he's like, what does he say? Was that inside? I thought that was at the end outside. did they see? maybe that is. Yeah, that is. Because McGready was the only one that saw Childs again, I think, right? Yeah. right at the end when they're having that conversation. Yeah. This is unrelated, but it took me so long to figure out that Windows was like a guy. Like I thought they were just yelling Windows, like go to the Windows. Like now, go to the Windows! Windows is dead. Yeah, so that was a fun, fun, I don't know, revelation for me that that was a character, Windows. All right, so your second time watching, you pick up on any sort of hints more or think you found any more sort of evidence for who it is? because there's something where. The glint in their eyes, I don't know if you saw any of this. There's like a, I think John Carpenter said and like another guy who worked on it said, a way to tell who is the thing. I think it's like people who aren't the thing, you can see like a little glint in their eyes. Define glint. I don't know, it's just like a little shine in their eyes. Okay. But that's only. That's people who are known to be the thing later in the movie. So if you look at like... Who's the guy we just talking about who turns on the couch? Blair. Is that not Blair? Clark. On the couch. Palmer. Palmer. So if you look at his eyes, there'll be there'll be no glint in them in the scenes before. Interesting. But Childs has glint in his eyes early and then you can't tell for the rest. But no, didn't. To answer your question, no, I feel like I didn't really pick up on anything. So literally I was trying to literally like a sparkle in the eye. Yeah. the lack of Sparkle. The lack of Sparkle is what, a regular version. Yeah. I think they did some editing or something. Interesting. So I was trying to look at that, but I couldn't really tell. I like that it is just so ambiguous and you have no idea. And Carpenter has never revealed. Yeah. I don't even The cast doesn't even know. I would guess that there's not even an answer. Yeah. Josh, mean, I think Carpenter knows internally maybe. I think he just said he doesn't want to tell people. Christopher Nolan says he wished he never revealed the intent of the end of Inception. Because then it takes away that ambiguity of it a little bit. But yeah. I think it's child because he goes outside and the power goes out. Or is that just him being stupid? That's what I'm saying. that could be a good idea to turn the power out. But then when you see the room again, the coat room again, the coats are all different. Yeah, see that less. I have no idea. The doors open. Like I need to look more into this. Yeah, the coat rooms, they're all different. I think the thing gets to them there. And then I think. Because when him and there's so many things. Because when because when McGready and Childs are just talking at the end. Yeah. McGready is like. It almost seems like he's just contempt with like, let's see what happens. Like, I don't know. It doesn't seem very stressed. No, to me that feels like he either knows. I mean, obviously he either knows for sure that childs is a thing or he is the thing. Yeah. And also if child wasn't the thing and McGready just offered him. drink. Yeah, then he now is the thing. Now he is the thing. Right. And and McGready like sort of chuckles after he takes a sip. So is that him being like, I knew this guy was the thing. If he wasn't the thing, he would be like, I'm not drinking out of that. I don't. So I haven't even seen this theory. This is just me when I was watching the movie. But a child's like. He looks like way more bothered by like the heat and stuff at the end of the movie. Like he's like, and this could just be because he's coming from fricking flames, but he's like sweating a ton. He's always the guy with the flame thrower. Yeah. Maybe that's something too. But he's like, he sits down, he's like out of breath, he's sweating a ton, and the thing hates the heat. So part of me is like, ooh, he's the thing for sure. And then we get out of the theater and you're like, I think it's McGready because he gives him the thing to drink, and he's the thing, and he chuckles after you, I think it's him for sure. And then he sends me another text later that, it's Childs, Childs the Thing. at all cabs. That bastard. saw one theory that was like when they were setting the TNT charges, they have some Molotov cocktails. So they've got gas in bottles with rags or whatever. And then it's like some people say that bottle is just gas. And he gives them a sip and he can't tell what it is. But I think that's you. I just saw something that when they're, cause a bunch of people did think that, but I saw something which I thought was intentional when they were doing that, it was with like unmarked bottles or whatever. And like that bottle had to label. Yeah. Where's he got time to get a bottle? Where is he getting a bottle from? Maybe he thinks, because he thinks it's just him left, right? We don't know what he thinks. He could think. I he just got blown up, too. Like, ooh, am I greedy? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Because it almost seems like McGrady is like, yeah, like I said, he's either so confident in it's him, and he's like fine just going to sleep in the ice. Yeah. And whatever, that's it. Or he's so for sure that he knows it's Childs that he's like just laughing. I know it's you. I got you, basically. Because if it is Childs, then basically he's like the last. Yeah. the last thing or whatever, you just gotta torch them. Bye. Well, we could frickin we're never going to solve this ever. do. There's one new rock star has a really good breakdown. I still haven't. I got it. There's one that's literally like the dude just maps out where everyone is, which guy goes where like it's crazy. But I like the attention to detail is insane because you told me this before, but there's a scene when the dog's going through the house and there's a shadow. Yeah. And people are like, that's the first victim basically they cast just some random guy to be the shadows that you can't tell exactly who it is I think the first First person get contaminated is Clark though, because he gets licked by the dog right away. The dog whisperer? Whoever gets licked by the dog right away. first scene, whoever that is. But also I saw something where production had a bunch of delays. And like it took like I can't remember why there's a bunch of stuff where it's just like got delayed and kept getting delayed. So Carpenter had like a ton of time to just make the script like just airtight. Like it was fricking airtight. Yeah, it was like no. Yeah. I mean, it's been four years and obviously it's like people still talk about it. I'm so stupid what I'm thinking of old boy Spike Lee has an old boy. I was trying to look like no way There is a there is a 2011 movie called the thing which I is like a sequel. Yeah, okay. Okay, and who does that? Yeah, I don't I don't know I didn't recognize who it was. Yeah Man, it is. And then what, well just the fact that like there literally is just no holes, there's no answers, like you have to be so. you just have to be so careful every time you're shooting something to not give away this major hint. And I think, I don't know why Childs would leave. I I don't think he, if he is the thing, I don't think he's the thing there. And if he's not the thing there, why is he leaving his post? Why? Like, bro, this is that last stand. Bro, stay where you are. And yeah. I don't know. We'll continue having this debate. Yeah. Till the end of time. Yeah, seriously. But aside from the story, the movie looks incredible. Yeah. It looks great on that big screen. That was awesome. And I'm learning something here. Cinematographer Dean Cundy. I'd say he's pretty good. What's he got, man? He does the Back to the Future trilogy. He does Jurassic Park. He obviously does The Thing. He does the original Halloween movie, which is John Carpenter. He does Apollo 13. He does Hook, which is another Spielberg. Dang. Bro, what the heck? Yeah. wait. This is 2004. I don't know. He does Garfield, the movie from 2004. Does he do Tale of Two Kitties? seen it on here. do you even do a cinematography? I don't know. It's like a real-life movie. That's hilarious. Yeah it looks really freaking good. of similar to Jurassic Park in a sense. Just like the sci-fi vibes of it. But then going on Halloween, so John Carpenter also does Halloween. He scores Halloween so like the really famous... That's John Carpenter. And bro got, or actually not for the thing, but the thing got a worst score. yeah, it got a razzy for a score, which is. Like it's not great, but it's like. This is like, how do you even judge the score off? I can't remember. Poser, Ennio Morricone. Pretty sure this dude's... Okay, yeah, dude this dude's like the freaking goat he does the thing hateful ate the good the bad the ugly cinema Paradiso once upon a time in America He does that so he does that whole trilogy the Untouchables days of heaven which is Malik The battle of Algiers yeah this dude cuz Back to the future too. This is the Excuse me. We got this one He does the score Yeah Yeah, Mark, honey, okay, he's really go to But apparently they had more to the score than was in the movie and Didn't get added to the movie and that part of the score got added to the hateful eight really Tarantino's hateful eight. Wow. Yeah, so this is low-key like a like a hateful eight Just thought I don't know how I didn't think of that like it's a very similar story. You're saying I gotta watch the hey-fool-a. You really do Yeah, it's like snowy. Yeah, it's like these eight guys in a room. my gosh. It's so similar Yeah, well, it's like a tethering part too dang they got a tether out to like the outhouse So that's like the thing part two basically, bro. That's crazy. I didn't even think of that So yeah, just one of the goats getting a Razzie Yeah. Same with Kubrick and The Shining. But yeah, and dude, man, when they're going through in the night with the flares, that just looks so And the blue lights. Yes. Like the night lights, dude. Yes. Yeah. The flares are sick. Looks. And when they're all like, they've been in the storm for a while, all their coats are just like white. Yeah. the creature just has like snow all over his beard and on his face. And he's just got the flare. So sick. So sick. That's what I got for the backdrop. Yeah, that is good. is sick. Looks sick. Like Gillett. Yeah. And speaking of Kurt Russell, he wasn't supposed to be the main guy. I was supposed to be McGready. He had worked with Carpenter on Escape from New York and I think maybe one or two other movies. And he just really liked Carpenter. And he knew the story of the thing and thought it'd be a sick movie. And he just kind of wanted to be like on production for it or something. just be a part of it anyway he could. I didn't find any of the names but apparently Carpenter had a bunch of other people lined up for McGready and either they didn't want to do it or they couldn't do it. And Russell just kind of snuck his way in there and I think it really worked out perfectly. Yeah, he does a great job. There's nothing from an acting standpoint that super stands out to me. But I just think the chemistry of all the characters is just... It just works perfectly. And I feel like you can just really feel the tension and passive aggressiveness of everyone. Everyone's just spiraling into madness and can't trust anyone. Yeah. I love movies that are almost like character studies. And what would I do in this situation? I mentioned this in another episode, but it opened on the same day as Blade Runner. So like two of the most highly regarded sci-fi movies came out on the same exact day in 1982. And again, as previously mentioned, same time as ET coming out. That's crazy. ET just kind of, I don't know, just took over, I guess. And no one was seeing any other movie except for ET. But so within the same couple of weeks, three of the best sci-fi movies of all time. And people just probably didn't even know how good they had it, too. They probably just like, yeah, the thing. Dude, that's probably what we're going to say in 20 years. It actually is. about Toy and Toy Dude, that's why I just want to go to the movies. I know. like, you never know. This year's just Yeah, this year has actually been this year's last year's peak dude this year's been great and like I don't know, we'll see, but I've already given four movies a five star, I don't know if all that will stay the same. Last year only gave one movie a five star. And I gave a ton of movies a four and a half. I think it was a really good, last year I feel like had more depth than this year. But this year, the heavy hitters are hitting heavy. They're hitting bombs. They actually are. Which is cool. And there's still so much more that I'm excited. Excited. Yeah, that's I was gonna say there's so many more doing still got to deliver but I just it's gonna be a five star like just Log it I could log it right now. Yeah, I've seen people that do that like movies get announced or like a trailer drops they just give it a five star and like we'll review it on I'm just Crazy I don't know I go that far I don't get super, like I like following Oscar stuff, but. Yeah. That's not like the land of the. Whatever. Whatever the saying is. The of the land of the law, the lay of the law. The lay of the land? The. That's the, I don't think that's what that means. The law, it's something to do with the law. It's not a bottom law. No, it's not. It's not the be all end all. I'll just stick with that. And but it is going to be interesting. Just. don't know, people thought the Odyssey wasn't going to have any competition. there's a lot. And now now people are like, well. people are saying you can see everything is gonna get like a best picture and I'm and is gonna compete and There's like a foreign film that's doing really well right now that people are like this one's that La Bola yep Yep, and everyone's like what is that about? You know, I really have no idea I know it's about like the Spanish Civil War or something like that. Yeah But that one, like, I don't know, Dune III hasn't even come out. People are like, Dune III's gonna get the Return of the King treatment and just win all the Oscars. But if Matt Damon doesn't win, I'll riot. I don't think he's going to win. Who's going to win? I think you think Timmy. I hope Timmy. I don't think it's going to be Timmy. Timmy just stays getting robbed every year. Does stay getting robbed. He got robbed crazy last year. in like 10 years, people are going to be like, how did we give that to Michael B. Jordan over Timothy Schell? Agreed. Michael B. Jordan's great, but like... That's who he is. He's a cool guy. He plays a cool guy. Oscars are February, right? March. really? I think. Beginning of March? Beginning of March. Maybe Grammys is February. Okay. They they think John Melkovich from Wild Horse 9 is really probably gonna win well so much can change how do they think that it hasn't even come out yet film festivals and so film but like no one knows and Again, it's not the law of the way of the land right As they say as they say because Timmy was running away with it bro Timmy had it bagged he did before Marty Supreme, would say. People still thought it was going to be him. Yeah, I know. I'm just saying. B. Jordan just came out of nowhere. I'm just saying like before that, before Marty Supreme was even in the conversation. Like for Best Actor? Yeah. Like in 2025 before it got released? Right. Yeah, he's in the conversation. that's you're saying. Like people are doesn't even matter. We haven't seen it. No one's seen it yet. He's already in the conversation. don't I don't know. Sinners came out in February, right? Sinners came out in April. OK, so like what are people in? But people are like people weren't even like in June being like this is Michael B. Jordan's Oscar. Right. Like people because I just I don't know. Sinners was. It's just like it's not like a typical Oscar. Yeah. Movie. Yeah. But. Yeah, Timmy got robbed. Timmy's getting robbed. He got robbed. We'll see. We'll see. About two and three. Yeah, but like when Return of the King, I was looking at it because I was curious. Who's it going up against? Like there are some good movies. Lost in Translation. 2008. 2003. Close though. Return of the King is 2003? Yep. dang. there wasn't a movie nearly as like big as Odyssey is all I'm trying to say Like that's just that's a stiff competition. You have like two just massive blockbusters There wasn't a movie this year as big as the Odyssey is that what you're saying in 2003 like return of that so Dune Dune has to compete with Odyssey where Return of the King like just kind of had like dramas that it was competing gotcha so return of the Kings getting costume and everything. Where I don't see that as a possibility for Dune 3 to like sweep like that just because. Dang, killed Bill and Oldboy in 2003. Did those get nominated? don't think it think Oldboy did. For best picture? I don't know about that best picture, but. For something. I think it got nominated. Probably foreign, maybe. Foreign feature, whatever that is. How did we get here? What memories of murder same year? I don't know. Yeah. it's different directors. I was thinking it was the same. How did we? Where did we? I don't know. Where did we go here? Even we even rambling. Are you actually asking how did we get here? I am like, how did we? Oscar's, Michael B. Jordan, Tammy. And it all started with the thing. Razors, score, Marconi guy, cinematographer guy. Dun dun. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not worried. I'm not worried either. How to lose a guy in 10 days. You seen it? Yeah. What do think? Good. Yeah. Nice. It's just 2003. I just saw it. Yeah, I actually really like that. That's one of my favorite rom-coms. too. It's a great movie. Agreed. I'm surprised that, I don't know, Cat in the Hat, Michael. Letterboxx doesn't have it very high. Cat in Hat, seen it? No. Mike Myers? I don't know. Maybe. Probably. But yeah the thing The thing one of the best sci-fi you could definitely throw in the conversation you Where where does it this is our yeah, this is all time for you where about top? top what Let's see This is one of my favorite movies don't even look at your ranking top 30. Okay? I'm see where I have it I would say top 30. it's just dude, my top 100 isn't even done. my gosh, way higher. Where is that? Do you fold that down. Go ahead. You can put a ranking on there so you know. What do mean? You can put a ranking on your list. Yeah, I do. What? No. Go back to your list. Like when I did it on my phone it had all the numbers on it. it just does it on there. guess. I don't have the baller version. You don't have to have the baller like balling like you. Like on my phone it has the number. okay. Yeah. I don't know why it doesn't on here. still trying to think of how we got to Dune. It's really bothering you? Yeah. I'll have to, when I'm editing I'll figure it out. Should we watch? Yeah. I don't know you got anything else about the thing? It's a great movie. It is just a great movie. Atmospheric, thriller, sci-fi, horror. I have to go watch Hateful Eight. Classic. The more I think about it, the more like parallels there are. Yeah, there's a lot. That's crazy. Now that think about it, I feel like I remember seeing something where Tarantino is like, I'm drawing a lot of inspiration from the thing. Maybe I just made that up, but I feel like I remember seeing that. Yeah, I don't know what I'm going give it yet. It's probably 4 and 1 half, probably. Nice. Loved it. Great time with theater. Yeah, theater is sick. Yeah. And as we mentioned, John Carpenter, known for composing his own movies. Funny enough, this is the exception to that. We're like, what are we going to do for Halloween? What are we going to do? We're do a scary movie draft and draft the only five scary movies we've ever seen and just expose our lack of them. even be like that scary. Yeah, just expose our lack of ball knowledge. So we're not doing that. We're going to do a movie score draft for episode 27. So that'll be next episode. And yeah, we got anything else? All right, thanks for tuning into the pod, see you guys. We'll see you next time.