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Rooted in History: Unearthing Lone Fir Cemetery's Haunting Past · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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  While normally that's not my favorite, I do feel like that is an improvement over the screaming.
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  Yeah, the screaming is hard. That makes me sad.
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  Screaming dead lady is not my fave.
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  But it could be like, you know, like a dimension like time slip kind of thing where she thinks you're the fucking ghost.
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  And she's like, "Oh, fucking ghost!" and screams. Like, maybe she's not in pain or anything. She's just scared, too.
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  That's perfectly reasonable explanation. That makes me feel better about it.
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  No. I'm glad that that helps you.
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  Hi, Caitlyn. Hi, Cassie. Hi, creepy people.
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  If you're new to our creepy little corner of the world, this is P-N-W-Honks and Homicides,
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  where we chat about true crime, the paranormal, and anything spooky, cookie, weird, and creepy in the Pacific Northwest.
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  Yes, and sometimes we very individually over-pronounce specific letters,
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  because we don't want there to be any confusion.
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  I just don't want to slur my words already.
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  I know she's had like three whole sips of wine, so we got to be careful.
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  Yeah. We also do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for a little bit of deeper insight
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  into our topic for the day, so make sure you stick around if you're into that, which obviously at
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  this point you should be. You will be, or converting you. We're trying. We've got a really cute
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  alter today. We do. Super special and cute, but we won't tell you what it is yet. We're going to wait.
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  Oh, okay. You don't think I can tell? Well, I mean, but they're listening right now.
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  Oh, right. They might not know yet. Oh, you guys can't see it.
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  We can't see it yet.
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  Welcome to my autobiography, line one. Hi, my name is Cassie, and I'm a fucking tree hugger
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  from Portland, Oregon. I mean, that's true. That's the truest thing you've said so far today.
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  I wrote ha ha after that in my note in case you didn't laugh. Okay. So I would remember that it was
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  supposed to be funny. And then you would just giggle to yourself and be like, "Ha ha, fuck you."
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  So I wrote that because I'm starting this episode off by nerding out on trees.
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  Dindrafelia. Is that what it's called? Well, okay, listen, I don't know. Hold on.
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  Is that like boning a tree, though? I say, yeah, well, that's why I didn't want to.
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  I think so. I maybe don't want to do that. Yeah, I don't know that it means that you're actually having
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  sex with the tree. Let's we're going to find out together. Literally means love of trees.
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  So the term may sometimes refer to a parapheria in which people are sexually attracted or sexually
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  aroused by trees. So it may or may not involve sexual contact or penetration. I mean, you know how I
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  feel about wood. I feel like you've made your thoughts very clear. I would never want to make love
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  to a tree unless I had the tree's consent. I feel like that's a little bit harder to get the trees
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  consent. Yeah, yeah, I feel like that could be a real sticking point. Yeah, but you know, people do
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  talk to trees. So maybe someday we'll see. I'll keep you guys updated. Yeah.
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  Caitlin, do you know what a heritage tree is? Is that where people keep their family log books?
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  No, they are officially placked up trees that are preserved due to their unique size, age,
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  historical or horticultural significance. Horticultural. I said that word right the first time I
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  just want everybody to know. I'm very proud of that. As of about a year ago, there are 328
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  heritage trees in Portland, representing 134 different tree species.
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  Species species. Species. That number may be a little different now since they do add new trees
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  every year. And some of the heritage trees were destroyed by the quote extreme weather events of
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  2022. Oh, no, which I was like, do we have extreme weather? I don't remember. Yeah, no, we the last
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  couple of winters. We've had a ton of falling and/or otherwise damaged trees. Yeah. Do you remember
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  when you drove up here shortly after the big snow storm? I remember like this year, but I don't
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  remember two years ago. It's been like that like every year since basically 2020. I just want to
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  head and walked everything out. Oh, I mean, it's the strongest policy. It's that that's what keeps you safe.
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  That's what helps you sleep at night. Does it? It's not working. I mean, it doesn't work for me.
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  Anyway, about trees. It's a lot of fucking trees. It is a lot of trees. Yes. And why are we talking
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  about trees today? I don't know. Is it going to be a ghost tree? Is it going to be a true crime?
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  About a tree, fucker? Maybe. We'll see where this is headed.
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  Well, one of Portland's oldest and still used cemeteries is also an arboretum located in the
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  southeast. It is Portland's second largest arboretum behind Hoiitt, which is Yiu. It's Yiu. So big.
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  It is also listed on the National Register of Historic Places. Okay. Yeah. There are more than 700 trees
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  of 67 species on just over 30 acres of the cemetery. Wow. Yeah. It's big. That's so many trees.
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  And it's in the city. So two of these 700 trees are heritage trees. But one of them is extra special
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  because the cemetery/arboretum was lovingly named Lone Fir in 1866 after the Douglas Fir.
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  The heritage tree that's there. Well, there's like three of them there, but that's the one that's
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  named doctor. Okay. Which was the only tree in sight. Get it? Lone. Lone Fir. Who's the only one?
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  I was like, that's she means something. I'm not getting it. I'm not getting it. Clearly she means
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  something beyond this. No, no. Okay. There's just one. I got it. One tree. It's a single. Yes.
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  And you're probably thinking, yeah, but didn't you just say there's a fuck ton of trees here? Yeah.
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  I think that's where I got lost. Yes, I did. Couldn't see the forest for the trees.
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  Through the tree. The one tree. Yeah. But the arboretum grew in kind of the same way that the cemetery
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  did. I don't know. So we're going to go on a little journey. Okay. In 1846, Emore, it's E-M-M-O-R.
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  Emore. Emore. Emore. Emore Stephens was buried on his son's family farm when the farm was sold
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  to Colburn Barrel in 1854. He made a promise to maintain Emore's final resting place. Okay.
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  He kept his word, but under some unfortunate circumstances. In the same year, he purchased the land.
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  Two of Colburn's friends were among 24 passengers that passed away in a steamship explosion.
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  Yeah. Oh god. That's got to be one of the most terrific ways to die. I imagine I'm not going to
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  look into that. Yeah, I didn't like go deep into what happened. You'll have to do that on your own time,
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  but it was a big deal. Yeah. He turned 10 acres of his land into a cemetery for the burial of his friends,
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  and I believe some of the other passengers as well. Oh. Yeah. Even naming it Mount Crawford after
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  one of them Crawford Dobbins. These names. I know. Colburn, what was this barrel? Crawford Dobbins
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  are Dobbins, but I think it's Dobbins. Yeah. Wow. Mount Crawford grew to 30 acres by 1866,
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  and was named Lone Fir Cemetery by Colburn's wife Aurelia, AURELIA. Yeah. I would say Aurelia.
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  Aurelia. Yeah. And there are now 25,000 people and counting laid to rest here. That's so many.
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  Kind of a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Just right in the city. Cool. So just like the lone man,
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  Emore Stephens, that started at all with time, the lone fur was joined by more and more trees
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  buried in the soil of the cemetery. Okay. That's fine. The trees are good. Or are they? Is this like a
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  happening sort of a scenario? I don't know. You have to wait and find out. Emore's son James and his
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  wife Elizabeth are also buried here with a rather unique headstone. Oh. That I meant to pull up before
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  this, but I forgot. Why do I feel like I'm not going to like this? Okay. Let me get the close up. Why?
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  It's very sweet. Oh, I'm sure I'll like it much better close up. It's very sweet. Said no one ever.
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  So it is a gravestone with two people carved into it. It's creepy, but it's also very sweet.
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  They just wanted to be remembered together forever. I mean, I sincerely doubt I will ever forget that.
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  It's very haunting looking. Yes. Yeah. Very haunting, haunted, all of the above. On this very unique
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  haunting gravestone is an inscription that everyone is kind of obsessed with.
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  Okay. So it says, here we lie by consent after 57 years, two months and two days, so journey through
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  life awaiting nature's immutable laws to return us back to the elements of the universe of which we
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  were first composed. Okay. I think that's beautiful. And normally this is a word I like, but the
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  consent part that I don't know why that's concerning me. That was confusing to me too.
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  Are there unconsenting graves of people in the... It's funny you say that.
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  I know. At the time their headstone is put up. I don't think so. I don't think that's why they put it on there.
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  But that's interesting. Yeah. So I don't know what the consent thing is all about. Maybe it's just like
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  like we wanted to end up here together. I mean, yeah, but like consent is
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  depending on the context to me that just says like, okay, sure. I need like we enthusiastically
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  consent. We should change the inscription to enthusiastic consent. I'm really stressed out.
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  But James passed away two years after his wife and during that time it is said that he would visit
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  their shared burial plot and imagine holding Elizabeth's warm loving hand again. So he... I don't know
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  if the statues of them were there at the time. Yeah, I guess that's an interesting point. I'm like,
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  why do we have to use like these words that it's like they did like a madlibs of words that would
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  just make me upset? Why do we have to describe her hand specifically as warm? I mean, I put that in
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  there. He didn't put that in there. Oh my god. I will. He doesn't know why that's creeping me out so much.
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  And now my toes are cold. I put it like that because I I didn't want anyone to think he was imagining
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  holding her past away. Hold hands. Yeah. Yeah. He was remembering her as she was living. Okay. But he
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  did specifically say he imagined holding her hand again. So fucking sweet. God damn it. God,
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  Frisk, why don't you ever tell me that you imagined holding my cold dead hand. Maybe after today,
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  he will. Yeah. My hands are always cold. So we're going to go on and talk about some of the other people
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  who are buried here. Harriet “Hatti" Redmond is laid to rest at Lone Fir. She was a leader in the
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  community being involved in the Colored Woman's Council and the Women's Suffrage Campaigns,
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  which were successful. And had he registered to vote in 1912. Good for her. Yeah. And I did read that she put
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  her occupation down as hairdresser and I just thought that was so fucking cute. It was really cute.
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  Adam “Gus" Waterford, Portland's first African American firefighter. Stop it. Yeah. And he has water
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  in his name. Right. I mean, I know, which is kind of a theme throughout this happens again, which is
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  weird. It's not fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire,
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  something else but still cool. But he was originally buried in an unmarked grave, which sadly,
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  kind of a theme around here. More on that later. But in 2015, the students of Madison High School and
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  the Portland Fire Department got a proper marker for Gus. Okay. How I'm sorry in what year? 2015.
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  Cool. Just like casually decades and decades later. Yeah. I didn't write down the specific date
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  who was buried, but it was not close to 2015. I'll tell you that. It's correct. I have to imagine.
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  Cool. Ada Smith, who was six when she died in 1885. Oh, she has a beautiful angel statue on her head
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  stone. And at some point, the angel was stolen. Dick. I know. But it was later found in an abandoned
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  warehouse in his sense been restored and returned to Ada. You stole the angel and just like left it
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  somewhere else. Right. I know. I don't know like what they plan to do with that or what and maybe they
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  just wanted to be Dick's and still a fucking six year old angel headstone. Like who are you? I,
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  you know, she was six years old and died and that alone is sad enough. Yeah. Wow. Just, just
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  trash. But thankfully, it's back with her now. So the Macleay family has a gorgeous mausoleum. In
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  the 1880s, Donald Macleay was a well known investor, real estate developer and president of the
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  board of trade in Portland. And if the name is sounding really familiar to you, that's because
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  the witch's castle, which we did an episode on, is located in Macleay Park. Okay.
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  Which was named after him. Okay. All right. I thought, I thought maybe I was like, hmm,
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  somewhere in my little lizard brain. I was something was yeah, wiggling.
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  Big famous Portland family with a big famous Portland mausoleum.
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  That calls. Next, we're going to move on to Julius Caesar. This was not his given name.
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  But he don't say yeah, no, but he was born and enslaved person and had the name of the family that
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  enslaved him. So understandably as a free man, he decided he needed a new name and he loved
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  reciting Shakespeare. Okay. Yeah. All right. I kind of love that. It's not so fucking cute. Yeah.
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  We're bringing back Shakespeare again. Oh, yeah. Cause yeah, you guys Shakespeare was so out before.
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  But we're bringing him back. I really meant just because we just talked about this with the park.
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  No, but I just really wanted to envision that people were thinking like Shakespeare is so out.
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  Yeah. Who's he? Yo. He was also a huge sports fan in the phrase play ball being among his favorite
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  was actually coined by him. What? Apparently that's what this article says and he was actually featured
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  in Ripley's Believe It Or Not. Oh, yeah. Wow. So a local friend he'd made during his lifetime
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  purchased him a headstone and it has that very phrase engraved on it. Play ball. Yeah. Isn't that
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  so fucking all of this is so cute. It's really cute. Unfortunately though, they misspelled Caesar
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  on his gravestone. Well, which you know, it's a hard word. The A and the E or you know,
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  well backwards. It's fine. But the thought was there. Just like one of the most famous figures in
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  all of history, but yeah. Yeah. So thought that counts. Play ball. Caesar ball. What are you going to have
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  engraved on my headstone? Oh, no, I knocked that over.
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  I feel like given time, I could come up with something better, but I was thinking about this
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  actually, well, all the time because it's I do. That's just where we are. Yeah. That's who I am.
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  I was going to say probably would say, but I dig right. Yeah. That too. That's a good one too.
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  You can have a double-sided. Yeah. Put both on there. Oh, see, that's very own brand. You're like,
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  she had a lot to say. Yeah. Yeah. You're just going to be filled. Mine's just going to say, I'm home.
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  Mine's going to have stuff that I like half.
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  Change my mind. Half thoughts. Yeah. We have like little carrots like inserting other things I forgot.
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  That's going to be the best. Oh, don't die anytime soon. Okay. I wasn't planning on it.
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  Now we have some fun boozy things here. Oh, James Frush. Froosh. Froosh like fruit, Froosh.
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  Froosh. I like Froosh. I like Froosh. He's Froosh now. James, we love your last name. I'm sorry if I'm
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  mispronouncing it, but you're Froosh. Yeah. I'm going to get me some Froosh. There is a marble earn
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  at his grave, one that actually sat on the bar where he worked as a bartender. Okay. Well, you know
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  I love that. You know how I feel about marble. Yes. It's very pretty. And during the holidays, it was
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  filled with a drink called Tom and Jerry. A Tom and Jerry is a traditional Christmas time cocktail
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  in the United States. It says sometimes attributed to British writer and professional boxing journalist
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  Pierce Egan. Okay. I don't think I've heard of this. What is in it? Do we know? Well, I'll tell you.
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  Okay. It is a variant of eggnog with brandy and rum added and served hot. Yeah, that's usually in a
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  mug or a bowl. Okay. Well, apparently they filled this marble earn, which like why do they have an
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  earn filled with booze? Listen, it was an earn, but I was still on board. And where we part ways is
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  the ingredients of this cocktail. I hate eggnog. That is disgusting. Yeah. Does eggnog,
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  hard eggnog, isn't that like what that is? Oh, it's served hot. So I guess that's a little different.
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  Yeah. I know. It sounds disgusting. Served hot. Serving it in a mug or a bowl. A bowl? You know what,
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  I was picturing people just like coming under the earn and like I don't know how they got it out
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  of the earn. No, probably they probably had like a ladle or something. Yeah, like a punch. And then
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  they heated it up, but I'm picturing like already hot people having their mouths under like a drain
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  and like draining the Tom and Jerry into their mouths. The hot eggnog. I really, I'm deeply uncomfortable
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  with either of those scenarios and I just know. Well, now I should have made us a friggin Tom and Jerry
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  for today. I'm really glad that you didn't. They have eggnog in February, right? You know,
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  actually I have some in my fridge. Oh, I'm sure it's totally still good. Just kidding. I don't
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  don't get eggnog. I hate eggnog. Chris likes eggnog. I know. I find that it's honestly his
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  most upsetting character flaw. So the saloon where this all happened was actually
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  owned by Colburn Barrel himself. Okay. So after James died, they moved the earned his grave,
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  but they would bring it back during the holidays to the bar and fill it with Tom and Jerry again to
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  honor him. And I really hope that they cleaned it. I don't think anybody was drinking out of that.
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  I think this was one of those like kind of poor went out for my whole day. Yeah, like an offering
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  type of thing. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay. What I'm going to go with. Yeah. Well, we should go and
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  bring him a Tom and Jerry. I don't do you think people are still like is someone still doing that?
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  I don't I don't think they they definitely don't take it anymore to fill it. And I don't think you
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  could just like leave eggnog sitting out at someone's grave because like animals might get into it.
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  Well, you know, squirrels are, you know, they're wily. Maybe, you know, yeah, they need a stiff drink.
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  But I don't want to make a sick like when it goes bad. No, I don't like it. And you're not supposed to
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  dump like milk on grass or anything. So I really don't know where we would put it. Maybe we just
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  inject it right into the ground. What what is milk to grass? It can like kill the plants or it like
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  grows. No, it grows a fungus on it that is harmful to like the animal. I don't like it. You ready for
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  the next boozy themed grass please. Is this one to have tequila? No. Okay. But the bottler brothers
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  have a pretty big monument. They were some of Portland's first brewers. Okay. Bottleer brothers. Yes.
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  Okay. And I'm like, is it bottler or bottler because it's B-O-T-T-L-E-R. It looks like bottler.
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  Bottler to me. Yeah. And I wrote bottler really? So did they choose this path or did the path choose them?
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  That's a really good question. Yeah. Who knows? Their monument is in desperate need of restoration.
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  It's kind of all blocked off. The roofs kind of caving in. But I have no doubt that Portlandians will
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  show up for this pair of brewers. Brewer brothers. Brewer brothers. Yeah. The bottler brewer brothers. Yes.
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  I believe they're raising funds to to get it all fixed up. So that would be cool. Okay. We're moving on.
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  Andrew Johnston and Sarah Francis Wisdom. They were former enslaved people
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  who were self emancipated. Okay. In the 1840s, they made a home from them from themselves. They
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  did not make a whole lot of themselves. It's a real edgene vibe there. It's a real gingerbread house.
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  None of it's good. Oh, like that. Do you think about that? That gingerbread men live in a gingerbread house?
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  No. Made out of the bodies of gingerbread? No. No. No. I'm not going to start now.
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  Oh, anyway. It's February and you ruined next Christmas. With the gross egg,
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  no, I'm a gingerbread. Oh my god. Yeah. Wow. Okay. In the 1840s, they made a home for themselves in
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  Portland, ignoring Oregon's black exclusion law. I was wondering which we heard about in one of
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  Caitlyn's cases. I can't remember which one. Probably a couple of them, but Alonzo Tucker. Yes.
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  Yeah. Alonzo. I know. They owned the first African American restaurant in Oregon called R&D.
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  Wow. Yeah. Isn't that so cool? I can love all of this. Yeah. There is an unmarked Celtic Cross.
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  Cemetery Records show. It was the grave of Alice Oberle, who was a fancy house sex worker.
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  I like it. They called it a fancy house. Yeah. Like a brothel. She's a fancy, she's a fancy sex worker.
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  Like an upscale. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No one really knows for sure, but the story is that
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  the Celtic Cross was donated by her clientele. Okay. Well, yeah. It doesn't get a whole lot
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  fancier than that. Yeah. She was a popular one. This Alice O'Burrow. Good for you, Alice.
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  But her sister, on the other hand, was not a fan of any of that lifestyle. Anything. The donation
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  from the clientele, not a fan. So she had Alice moved to Mount Calvary Catholic Cemetery.
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  Oh boy. That is mouthful. And her information was erased from the magnificent Marvel monument.
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  Not cool. Not cool. Alice's sister. I bet. Dude, I bet Alice was like pretty pissed on the other side.
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  I'm gonna haunt you until you die. Like those were her life choices. And I mean, I don't know. She
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  was okay with them, but it seemed like it. There was there was actually a bunch of information on her,
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  but I didn't obviously didn't include it. Like I don't need you judging me. I'm dead. Yeah.
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  But you know, so anyway, I thought it was rude, but who knows who Alice was thinking, but
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  her sister had a stick up her butt. Okay. Anyway. Kind of a C-U-next Tuesday. Sorry, Alice's sister,
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  if you're listening. So the next person we're going to talk about is Emma Merlotin.
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  M-E-R-L-O-T-I-N. Merlotton. Maybe? But she went by Anne Jeanne Tingry Le Coz. Le Coz.
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  I think it's French. It's a very long- Oh, Tingry. Did I say it? Tingry? Tingry. Tingry? But Tingry sounded better.
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  Huh? T-I-N-G-R-Y. I just feel like that's a whole lot of names that are not yours.
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  Anne Jeanne Tingry Le Coz. How's the last one, Sam? L-E C-O-Z. It's like two words. Like,
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  Le Coz. Yeah, I don't know. A lot of the articles had different variations of
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  the same, which is the long name. So. I know fair. But this is how it's listed on findagrave.com
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  so I chose that version. So she was also a Portland sex worker, and by all accounts was a very sweet
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  person who helped out in the community a lot. The sucks. And these next couple, like, let me know if
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  we need to cut anything out. If it like steps on any of your true crime toes. Oh, okay. So just let
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  me know, but I didn't go in debt because I don't want to. Yeah, because you're like just you. I'm like
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  skimming, skimming, skimming. Okay. No, thank you, please. It was awful. So she was maliciously murdered
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  with a hatchet at the age of 33. Yeah. It was brutal. I did skim it, but it was brutal. Yikes. Yeah.
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  And this next part is slightly disturbing, but no, it's a lot disturbing. I don't know why I wrote
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  slightly. You're like, this is fine. It's okay. You're okay. You're doing great. I mean, they were trying.
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  We'll talk about it. Okay. This is one I've actually kind of heard of before. I don't know if they
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  did this with another person or what, but I never heard it connected to Portland in this way.
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  At the time, it was thought that the last image a person saw could possibly be captured in their
• 31:08
  eyeballs. So they removed one of her eyes to see if they could see who killed her. Yeah. And did that work?
• 31:18
  It unfortunately did not work. Yeah. But I mean, you don't know when to try, right? Yeah, but I feel like
• 31:30
  we've heard this echoed through various aspects of history. Like how many eyeballs do we have to
• 31:38
  remove before we say like, I don't think that works. Yeah. And I definitely didn't like look up
• 31:43
  context. I don't know if it had happened before or if they were still trying it or what. I didn't
• 31:48
  dig deep because that's not what this is about. Yeah. And also because I don't want to. I have
• 31:54
  a lot of thoughts and feelings about eyeball stuff. Okay. Yeah. No, at least they, you know, they only
• 32:02
  did one. They didn't try both of them. I guess I just kind of I almost don't know if it's better or worse.
• 32:08
  I hate it. And I don't know who knows like what her stance on it would be like, hey, like if it
• 32:14
  could possibly help catch my killer. Like go ahead and try. But you know, the consent probably
• 32:21
  wasn't there. So who knows. So have you heard of charity lamb? Yes. Yes. Okay. I just have like a
• 32:33
  little paragraph. But if anything is in here, I need to cut out. Let me know. Okay. Oh, no. So charity
• 32:38
  lamb was the first woman to be convicted of murder in Oregon. And I'm not going to say what she
• 32:45
  did. We're just going to leave it up to someone else later. And was sentenced to a lifetime of
• 32:51
  heart labor in 1854. Later, the lifetimes were shorter. Yeah. Yeah. Later, she was transferred. Well,
• 33:02
  I know there's a lot of like nuance in this story. Yeah. Later, she was transferred to the Oregon
• 33:09
  insane hospital and actually died there in 1879. And then she was buried in the loan for cemetery.
• 33:16
  She's there. She is there. Okay. I would like to say there. I'm not 100% if she had a grave marker or
• 33:26
  not. Okay. I thought you were going to say they moved her. And I was like, there's a lot of unknowns
• 33:35
  with this cemetery. Because to go to their resting place, thinking that it's final. Yeah. You know,
• 33:45
  in 1955, they built a Multnomah County office, The Morrison Building, right on top of this area where she was
• 33:57
  buried. So this makes me think she did not have a marker. Along with many others from the hospital
• 34:07
  and other places we'll talk about in a minute. In 2004, the area was excavated and evidence of
• 34:15
  human remains were found under the building. Yeah. No shit. So they had it demolished and
• 34:22
  returned back to the cemetery. And I was really just wondering like what kind of haunted shenanigans
• 34:31
  was happening in that fucking building. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? It's funny that you say
• 34:41
  crazy specifically because these are people that were literally in an asylum. Yeah. Where if they weren't
• 34:48
  already crazy, like actually for real, living in one of those in an old, tiny era, that would do it.
• 34:56
  It's not great. It's not great. No, no, this is great. And there's a lot more to it.
• 35:00
  So do you remember how I said there was kind of like a theme of unmarked graves in the cemetery?
• 35:08
  This includes 132 to 185. We're not really sure. Patients from the asylum.
• 35:18
  Many families did not come to claim the bodies of their deceased family members. And
• 35:24
  the head of the hospital, Dr. Hawthorne, which might sound familiar. It does. Why? I'll tell you.
• 35:32
  He ended up paying to have these people buried at the cemetery, which was obviously an expense. Yeah.
• 35:42
  And to keep things kind of on the cheaper side and more simple, he just had them buried.
• 35:48
  It's some of some people say they were mass burials. Yeah. Like a mass grave. Some people say there
• 35:54
  was just no no markers or anything. But it's debated on whether this was a nice thing or not
• 36:03
  because otherwise where were they going to be buried, you know? Yeah. So some people say he was
• 36:10
  actually a great doctor and had a lot of sympathy and his practices. Obviously we know the things that
• 36:18
  happened in the silums weren't great. No. But maybe there were some people out there trying,
• 36:23
  you know, it's up in there. I didn't dig too deep into it. Right. And anything is possible. So
• 36:30
  but either way, Dr. Hawthorne also resides in Lone Fir. Great. So if he did anything naughty, he has
• 36:40
  some friends there to help him out with that. And that means he has a beautiful monument.
• 36:46
  And if that name sounds familiar, Hawthorne Boulevard was named after him and that's actually where
• 36:54
  the hospital was located, which is now it's torn down. But yeah. I was going to say weird because
• 37:00
  I don't recall ever seeing it. Yeah. It's not there no more. Yeah. Actually no one really knows where
• 37:07
  all of these people were buried. It's speculated that they're in or around block 14, which is a whole
• 37:15
  other ass can of worms were going to open in a minute. Yeah. The graves may have had markers,
• 37:24
  but they were probably wooden. And so they've either brought it or like burned away. So it's possible
• 37:31
  they were buried, you know, with little wooden markers, but those don't last. Yeah. So I didn't
• 37:37
  write the year. It was a long time ago though that Oregonian had an article describing dense
• 37:43
  rows of asylum burials to the east of block 14, where the cemetery parking lot is now.
• 37:51
  Do you know what song I'm thinking of? No. What do you think? Come on. Pave the parking lot.
• 38:00
  Pave the paradise. Yeah. With the parking lot. You know. You know. Yeah. You know. Okay. Yeah.
• 38:07
  So it's possible that there are still people under the parking lot there today. Yeah.
• 38:15
  Yes. No, thank you. But it does make me think that maybe there was like those wooden markers because
• 38:21
  in the in the article they're describing seeing rows of burials. So I don't I don't know if they're
• 38:28
  just seeing like mountains or I don't know. I don't know. But so we're going to talk about block 14.
• 38:35
  Block 14 was the Chinese slash Chinese American section of the cemetery. Yes, they
• 38:45
  disgustingly were separated from everyone else. Yeah. And they they might have been, you know,
• 38:53
  intermingled with the asylum patients too. It was pretty much anyone who couldn't really pay for
• 38:59
  a proper burial. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. Let's go ahead and most segregate all of these disgusting
• 39:06
  boards. Yeah. Yeah. It'll grate. Yeah. Um, gross. Yeah. It's like it was a time. It was a time. Most of
• 39:20
  these people were railroad workers and people who built the foundation of the city pretty much
• 39:26
  an estimated 1100 to 2800 again. It's not clear. Immigrants were buried here. And
• 39:36
  265 of those bodies were moved back home for proper burial, which is great.
• 39:47
  But only 265 of them. Yeah. So awesome. It's awesome. They were trying to do something good.
• 39:56
  I mean, were they or were they're just 265 families that actually advocated for their loved ones?
• 40:04
  Yeah. I don't know. And it was so long ago, like who knows how many of their family members know
• 40:11
  about them? Yeah. Like we're still around. But it's getting better. Are you sure it is getting better?
• 40:21
  It's where it was getting worse. It's getting better now. It's like, it's looking up.
• 40:26
  This section was part of what I talked about earlier that was paved over and the office was built.
• 40:33
  But since everything has been torn down and returned back to the cemetery,
• 40:39
  plans are underway for a cultural heritage and healing garden to honor. I'm going to cry. Don't look at me like that.
• 40:47
  I wasn't going to cry. And I looked at you. Okay. Yeah.
• 40:50
  So I got to say again, plans are underway for a cultural heritage and healing garden
• 41:01
  to honor Chinese immigrants. That's cool. Like I'm fucking built our city. Yeah.
• 41:08
  Like we're living on shit that someone else built and they were just treated like garbage.
• 41:12
  Yeah. So like I guess if you're like into any of that stuff, like whatever.
• 41:16
  But they're also going to honor the patients of the mental hospital as well. Since there's so many
• 41:23
  that we just like don't know. We don't know what's under there.
• 41:27
  Kind of damn it. Caitlyn, you're the one without feelings.
• 41:34
  I know. Well, I obviously caught them from you. God damn it.
• 41:38
  This is a quote from Oregon Metro, who has been charged of taking care of the cemetery.
• 41:44
  The memorial will be shaped by input from the community and funded through voter approved
• 41:52
  2019 parks and bond. The memorial is expected to be completed by the end of 2026.
• 42:01
  So that's taken a little while. It always does. This all kind of started like the petitions for this
• 42:07
  and everything started in like 2008. And it just passed in 2019. It's going to be finished in 2026.
• 42:15
  Yeah. Fingers crossed. That seems like actually like incredibly fast.
• 42:19
  The quote goes on to say racial equity is the core of the bond measure.
• 42:26
  It prioritizes outcomes that benefit people of color, Indigenous people, people with low incomes,
• 42:33
  people with varying abilities and other historically marginalized groups, who have not benefited
• 42:40
  equitably from past investments. The bond measure also prioritizes work to make the region
• 42:48
  more resilient to climate change, which is that's great too. I thought that in there too.
• 42:53
  I also didn't mention this earlier. I wasn't sure like where kind of to fit it in with the story
• 42:59
  because it had a certain flow. But many bodies from older cemeteries in Portland had to be transferred
• 43:06
  too long for due to the marshy earth. So I don't know if you remember any stories of Portland where
• 43:13
  it was like, "Floody and like bodies were kind of... it's a bit safe." Rising back up. Yeah.
• 43:22
  There's a lot of riverage in the city. So yeah. Yeah. This land is a little more stable.
• 43:31
  So they do have a lot of people who have been moved from other cemeteries.
• 43:38
  I'm really glad that I haven't eaten yet today. Is this place haunted?
• 43:47
  Probably. Is that a serious question? Probably from all of the shit that I just told you, all the
• 43:53
  displacements, all of the unmarked craves, all of the stolen angel statues. Just the what the
• 44:03
  fuck of it all? A lot of things. A lot of things. Most describe seeing kind of misty figures walking
• 44:10
  across the cemetery during the daytime as well as after dark. Oh cool. Some people say they see a younger
• 44:19
  woman wearing a red dress who is just kind of like walking around the grounds. She doesn't seem to be
• 44:26
  angry or in pain or anything. She's just kind of walking around but kind of like oblivious to other
• 44:33
  people. Just casual. Yeah. Okay. A lot of other people say that they see a shadowy woman dressed in
• 44:43
  French clothing. Walking around the cemetery. Like a mage uniform or not like a mage.
• 44:51
  What makes it French? Like French dresses like that French fashion. Okay. Of the times, you know,
• 45:00
  back in the way that day's okay. Period clothing. Yes. Is that like period panties? No. Oh, like
• 45:09
  period of time. I didn't like it like an era. It's a red dress. Maybe it is a period dress.
• 45:14
  Oh no, that was the other way. Is this the woman? Wait. Where did I get red dress from? Did I say that?
• 45:24
  You did. When? I mean, was that not a part of the story? Oh, it was the first one. Okay. Okay. I was like,
• 45:33
  you definitely said it. Sorry. Yeah. That was the first figure. I don't know if they're the same or not.
• 45:38
  First ones have the red dress. It's choosing to make them one in the same. Anyway, it could be the same
• 45:44
  woman who knows. But this woman in the French dress or French fashion. I assume it's a dress.
• 45:54
  I would think so. Okay. Because like, people weren't women weren't wearing pants back then. I know.
• 46:00
  Depending on like specifically when. Yeah. It was illegal at points in certain parts of the
• 46:07
  world for women to wear pants. So fucking weird. I could dress as a safe pattern. Yeah. Yeah.
• 46:11
  Probably a dress. Yeah. Well, when this woman is approached, she like throws her hands up and screams.
• 46:21
  And then she does her favorite thing. She disappears. I feel like while normally that's not my favorite,
• 46:29
  I do feel like that is an improvement over the screaming. Yeah. The screaming is hard. That makes me sad.
• 46:36
  Yeah. Yeah. Screaming dead lady is not my fave. But it could be like, you know, like a dimension,
• 46:45
  like time slip kind of thing where she thinks you're the fucking ghost. And she's like, oh,
• 46:49
  fucking ghost and screams. Like, maybe she's not in pain or anything. She just scared too. Okay.
• 46:55
  Yeah. That's a perfectly reasonable explanation. That makes me feel better about it.
• 47:02
  You know, I'm glad that that helps you. There weren't a lot of other accounts of hauntings here.
• 47:11
  Mostly just, you know, the misty things, the figures, feeling of being watched, that kind of thing.
• 47:16
  There is another story that has been repeated in some articles. It was originally from Reddit. And it was
• 47:22
  someone describing something that might not have been a ghost, something that is maybe just
• 47:30
  easily explained as being Portland. I really want to read this though in a Patreon bonus because the
• 47:40
  red is fucking hilarious. It's so funny. So I want to read that. I don't want to include that story
• 47:50
  as part of this because I don't think it was a haunting. Just a bit off topic. Yeah. Okay. I don't
• 47:56
  think it was relevant. But I love that for us. I want to read it for Patreon. So we'll do that not
• 48:01
  today, but I'll put it together another time. Oh, okay. Let's go. I do, I do wonder
• 48:10
  that with the remodel of the healing garden and stuff, like what what's going to come up?
• 48:17
  Because you know, ghosts kind of get more active when things are changing.
• 48:20
  Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know if it's necessarily like going to be bad things that are happening,
• 48:27
  but it might just be a little more active while they're they're building the memorials.
• 48:35
  Okay. Yeah. So everyone go visit right now while it's at its most active or don't or just stay
• 48:43
  home and just wear cozy sweaters and your ugg slippers and you know, drink wine on your couch.
• 48:51
  I'll go. I might be going soon because I did a very spooky, Cassie thing to do. Yeah.
• 49:00
  I am now a photo volunteer on Find a Grave. So they they need people to take pictures because they,
• 49:09
  you know, they track like every single grave and some people kind of request to have certain
• 49:14
  graves photographed and whatnot. So okay, well great. Now that I know that I have a list that you can
• 49:22
  start working through. For your personal use. Well, I mean in connection with the podcast.
• 49:30
  They might be on Find a Grave, but I could probably take a better picture. Yeah. Also that.
• 49:36
  I also am thinking about volunteering to help clean headstones and stuff.
• 49:42
  They have a lot of volunteer opportunities. You can they have a class that like teaches you how.
• 49:50
  They have tours at this place. Everything's on their website. You can find things, but they have
• 49:56
  different types of tours to learn about the history and the people. And then during that
• 50:00
  Halloween time, they have special like kind of spooky tours. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Well, I mean,
• 50:08
  I need advance warning if you start posting down graves. If you become a grave janitor, I feel like
• 50:18
  the needs of my home for I just need to know ahead of time. I'm going to it's going to involve a lot
• 50:28
  of crystals and herbs. I'll be protected. I will be I know how to protect myself. I will not make
• 50:35
  sure nothing follows me home. I know, but what I'm worried about is that despite your desire to
• 50:42
  indirect, it doesn't want you. It wants to get to me because they're like, sugar I like a lethal
• 50:49
  girl. Well, if they can't attach to me, they can't get to you. Okay. I'll just I won't think about
• 50:56
  you all one there. They won't even know about you. Yeah. You're like you're in the witness protection
• 51:02
  program, but you're like in the ghost protection program. You know, we're we're we're going to workshop
• 51:11
  it because I feel like it's there's something there. It's not like we're not there yet. Yeah,
• 51:18
  whatever. No one tell any ghosts about Caitlyn's existence. Yes, please. Thank you. Well,
• 51:25
  should we do some tarot? Yeah, I'm excited. Let's use some tarot and our cute little graveyard altar.
• 51:32
  It's very cute. We have a special kind of riddle. It's the what is it? Cemetery stroll. Cemetery stroll
• 51:40
  from mythic wick. Mythic? Yeah, I said it right. Yeah. Thank you, Jocelyn.
• 51:47
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• 52:12
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• 52:20
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• 52:30
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• 52:47
  wine. Well, of course, we're here at the tarot. We're back. We're back. We have lit our beautiful
• 52:59
  cemetery stroll candle. It smells like grass and rain. It smells like what does it say? I think
• 53:09
  grass and rain. It smells like an impromptu walk through the cemetery in the rain. How cute is my
• 53:17
  little cemetery? I know you can't see some of the headstones, but that's what pictures are for.
• 53:25
  There you go. Okay, do you guys want to help me pick send me all your energy from the future?
• 53:38
  Okay, well, this one came out, but yeah. Okay. Oh, okay. We got the star in reverse. And then
• 53:46
  the queen of cups. Oh, okay. I kept seeing that card. I did too. Is that weird? I was seeing it too
• 53:56
  while you were shuffling and while I was shuffling. Okay. Oh, and I turned right to it. So,
• 54:02
  oh, okay. Our key words are creativity, fertility, strong emotion, change, and intuition.
• 54:12
  Usually the queen of cups appears seated on a throne, wearing a crown and lovely garments. A beautiful
• 54:21
  woman she exudes warm sensuality and maternal caring. Oh, like the sex workers. Oh, and they were like
• 54:31
  sweet too. Yeah. Okay. And dressed in nice clothes. Or like one of the ghosts at least was, you know.
• 54:38
  The French, French, where in a reading, the queen may signify an actual person. When she does,
• 54:46
  it's usually a mature woman who's creative, nurturing, changeable, intuitive, devoted as a wife or
• 54:54
  mother and highly emotional, sometimes a drama queen. Oh, sounds like me today. Yeah, I feel like
• 55:04
  just picking up our hands like chaos. All right. The upright queen represents deep emotions,
• 55:14
  compassion, and caring. When she comes up, you're experiencing strong feelings about someone or
• 55:21
  something. She can also urge you to use your intuition to express your creativity. If this card
• 55:30
  signifies a real person, she's nurturing and generous, a mother figure, ruled by her heart,
• 55:37
  not her head. She's changeable and sometimes unreliable. Okay. Interesting. There's an extra excerpt
• 55:46
  and then I'll read the three bullet points. Okay. The queen of cups is like a body of water,
• 55:55
  ever flowing onward as she brings inspiration and feeling to the world. Though she may sometimes
• 56:03
  seem as mutable as the sea itself, she is ever true to her heart. Oh, I like that. It's always like
• 56:12
  reminding me of the change that's going on in the... Why am I doing this? I don't know what I'm doing,
• 56:17
  but the change for the memorial, you know, it's very emotional for a lot of people and there's a lot of...
• 56:25
  I assume a lot of intuition involved in that and creativity and... Yeah. In reading about money,
• 56:34
  the queen can mean earning money from a creative activity. Earning money for? Raising money for maybe? Yeah.
• 56:43
  Or... Yeah. Often she recommends being flexible and willing to make changes. Use your intuition as
• 56:52
  well as your intellect in financial matters. I wonder how many times the like the plans had to be
• 56:59
  changed and, you know? Yeah, I feel like that's a good point. If the reading is about your job,
• 57:04
  this can be a creative and inspired time for you. To be happy, you need to be able to use your
• 57:11
  imagination in your job. Sometimes the queen shows unreal... An unrealistic attitude about work or a
• 57:18
  desire to be taken care of rather than working. In a reading about love, the upright queen
• 57:26
  represents a deeply romantic, sensual and emotional relationship. All like if all of your clients
• 57:34
  like paid for... Yeah. Here, memorial, headstone. Yes. Words are hard. And the couple holding hands forever.
• 57:46
  Yeah. With the not creepy headstone. Yeah, with the headstone. Yeah. Of indeterminate creepiness.
• 57:56
  If this card signifies a real person, she's probably manipulated. Oh, I... Oops. I started to skip
• 58:04
  down into the room. I was like, "Whoa, this took a turn." Yeah, it really did. You open yourself to a
• 58:12
  partner and lavish him or her with love. Sometimes the queen advises you to be more discriminating.
• 58:19
  This is a fortunate card if you want to have children. Well, I don't think any of these people
• 58:25
  are having any children anytime soon. Probably not. It was kind of reminding me though,
• 58:32
  there was a lot of people who purchased headstones or like grays for other people. Yeah.
• 58:41
  There was a lot of care-taking on the part of others. Yeah. It was like giving me that vibe.
• 58:49
  I know I was talking about a couple, but you know. Yeah, but I don't know that it necessarily
• 58:54
  is exclusive to that though, either. Yeah. Yeah. It's just a vibe.
• 59:01
  Oh, you're going to love that. Oh, yay. Yay. Okay. I think the star, key words, are happiness,
• 59:13
  hope, light at the end of the tunnel, which that is some powerful imagery associated with death.
• 59:20
  Yeah. You're going to come up in this reading. It is. I kind of like, what is that guy too?
• 59:27
  Is that the morning death? I can't remember. Oh, I think you're right. I think you're right. I know
• 59:34
  it's on one of the cards we've gotten recently, but okay. Hope, which whispered from Pandora's Box,
• 59:42
  only after all the other plagues and sorrows had escaped, is the best and last of all things. Wow. Yeah.
• 59:51
  I love that quote. It is a morning dove, which is fucking crazy. Yeah.
• 59:57
  Okay. And we got this in the reverse, but there is another extra excerpt. Optimism is the faith
• 1:00:07
  that leads to achievement. Nothing can be done without hope and confidence, which there was a lot of
• 1:00:17
  people fighting to get this cast. Get these people memorized, memorized, remembered. Yeah. Memorial
• 1:00:24
  lessons. Yeah. They needed a lot of hope and persistence. You're going to shit. Remember how they
• 1:00:32
  had taken one of her eyes? Oh, yeah. Do you want to guess who that quote is from in the second excerpt?
• 1:00:42
  I don't know. It's Helen Keller. Oh, weird. Interesting.
• 1:00:51
  Okay. And then here's the reverse. Trust life and its process. And yourself.
• 1:01:00
  The reverse star can mean you're following your path in a private way instead of shining your
• 1:01:06
  light into the outer world. Hmm. The blessings you receive may be spiritual rather than material.
• 1:01:13
  So yeah, all these people are just buried in the dirt. Yeah. Privately. Which perhaps you feel
• 1:01:23
  devitalized, uninspired or low on self esteem at this time. Oh, after you attune yourself to what
• 1:01:33
  your soul needs, you'll feel more energized and in harmony with who you truly are. Wow. This
• 1:01:42
  is really cool. In a reading about money, you may feel disappointed because a hoped for payment or
• 1:01:51
  payoff gets delayed. It's just a couple of years, you know, 2008 to 2026. Yeah. After you're dead for almost
• 1:02:03
  a month. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, gosh. Even though you're trying hard, your efforts don't bear much fruit.
• 1:02:10
  The time may not be right yet. Don't give up. I hope it's right right now. Yeah.
• 1:02:21
  It seems like now we're in the final stages. I hope so. I don't know if they've actually started
• 1:02:27
  construction yet. I haven't seen any of the last pictures I see or like a sign of like,
• 1:02:35
  this is what's coming. Anyway, we get there eventually. Yeah. If the reading is about your job,
• 1:02:43
  you may be hiding your light under a bushel. Okay. Perhaps you don't realize your true abilities
• 1:02:52
  and thus aren't getting ahead as quickly as you could. The star reversed can also represent
• 1:03:00
  disillusionment, disenchantment, or lack of inspiration. In a reading about love, this card can mean
• 1:03:09
  your expectations are unrealistic. You're searching for perfection, which can never be attained.
• 1:03:16
  Or it can indicate you aren't seeing your partner or relationship clearly.
• 1:03:22
  I feel like this interpretation, I'm the first two bullet points are speaking to me.
• 1:03:32
  I think the stuff about the perfection stuff, they're never going to, unfortunately,
• 1:03:39
  they're probably never going to find everybody and who all of these people are,
• 1:03:45
  because they don't even know where some of them are, some of them are under the parking lot.
• 1:03:50
  They're never going to have perfection in this situation, but they're building something.
• 1:03:56
  They're doing something, but it's not going to be perfect.
• 1:04:00
  Yeah, I mean, I think just by virtue of this project being necessary,
• 1:04:05
  like you can say, yeah, it's not going to be perfect because we didn't do maybe the best things
• 1:04:13
  to begin with. So now it's all about what is going to be the best remedy.
• 1:04:21
  Yeah. Yeah. Well, that was so perfect. Wow, even though I struggled talking,
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  hopefully that wasn't too hard for everyone to listen to. Listen, sometimes your brain hurts and
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  that's all you know in that moment. Yeah. I think I can't remember. Did I read this one
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  last time we got it? She's read it again. I don't know if I, if I could say for sure.
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  Well, yeah, now you have to read it, obviously. This is interesting, then it says that word.
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  Okay. Okay. Doug was most at home in the sky. He had taken flight at dawn. From darkness
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  filled with trepidation and fear, he flew toward the bright beacon above the horizon.
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  Doug's wings kept him aloft into the daylight. Through the forest, valley and wasteland, heading over
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  toward that morning star, still shining in the distance. As Doug journeyed, his heart lightened,
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  he felt echoes of past pilgrims, which is interesting pilgrims because they were like all like
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  pioneer cemeteries, you know, to begin with. Yeah. I don't know if that's like the same type of thing.
• 1:05:38
  Listen, I'm just going to say that's a, it's interesting that that specific word is inserted there.
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  Yeah. Yeah. His path intertwined with those of other travelers. He left his fear behind. He
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  weathe. I did read this before because I struggled on this one too. He wield joyously in the sky
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  and skimmed above the clouds, flying higher than he had any right to. He tested the boundaries of
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  himself and the world he inhabited. A part of him hoped that he would never reach the star,
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  not wanting to, not wanting the journey to end, the rest of him wondered what will happen when he
• 1:06:21
  got there. That's really interesting. Yeah. That's very indicative of the afterlife. Yeah. Wow.
• 1:06:30
  That's what's so weird. It like is still hitting me that we got the morning dove. Yeah. Wow.
• 1:06:40
  Hey, did you like listening to that terror read? Yeah. Do you want to see it with your eyeballs?
• 1:06:50
  I mean, I did, but yeah. Maybe that was a poor choice of words after this episode.
• 1:06:56
  Anyway, if you want to see it, it's on our Patreon. We did a full moon oracle card pull from my moon deck,
• 1:07:05
  what's it called? My moon oracle deck. Yeah. Just for Patreon this week, they also get the
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  more, including the mini-turo reading that goes into the welcome card, which we frequently forget
• 1:07:40
  to mention when we talk about the welcome card. Yeah. That's in there. Also, there's still time if you
• 1:07:47
  join in February and you stay for two months, you get a self-love spell jar. You get our creepy people
• 1:07:53
  stickers. Yeah. All the information is on there. They'll tell you like what tears get them and stuff.
• 1:08:00
  And we did talk about a bonus episode for this one. You've talked about a bonus you're doing. There's
• 1:08:08
  just a lot of bonuses coming up. There's a lot of bonusy bonuses. All the bones. Yeah.
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  We are also going to be doing some fun cold reading. We're going to be reading to you from a book called
• 1:08:23
  Born to Be Weird, Demented Fantasy and Bizarre Horror. And we're going to be doing it from a walk-in freezer.
• 1:08:33
  That part is not true. Cold reading. Okay. I'll just not turn on the heat before you come over. Is that cool?
• 1:08:44
  Yeah, I'll bundle up. Okay. Yeah. No. But that's something we're going to be doing for the Patreon. Come
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  in up here. We're just mixing it up. Doing some fun fun things. Yeah. We like fun things. Yeah.
• 1:08:56
  If you have any stories, we're still doing creepy people chronicles. So send them in true crime
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  paranormal witchy stories to pnwhauntsandhomicides@gmail.com. Did I say that right? Yeah. Okay. Wow. Look at that. She nailed it. That was like...
• 1:09:12
  It came out so fast I was not sure if I actually said it correctly. Yeah.
• 1:09:16
  e also have a Google contact link in the episode description. And our link tree website will be (www.pnwhauntsandhomicides.com)
• 1:09:24
  in there as well. So you can find us on all the socials and all the things. Oh yeah. And I forgot to say it
• 1:09:30
  when you were talking about that story on Reddit, but we're on there. Yeah. We're on the Reddit.
• 1:09:36
  We're on the Reddit. Caitlyn likes to get karma. I have no idea what this means.
• 1:09:41
  I know. But I think it's a good thing. It really speaks to me.
• 1:09:44
  Karma is... It's kind of like points. Oh, I was going Taylor Swift. Karma is my boyfriend. Karma is a cat
• 1:09:54
  on my lap. What else is karma? Yeah. I mean it's that. The breeze through my hair on the weekend.
• 1:09:59
  Is that part of it? Yes. Yes. Reddit does transact directly with warm pleasant breezes.
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  Warm pleasant Taylor Swift lyrics. Okay. Yep. That's fax. Have a creepy ass day. See you next Tuesday.
• 1:10:20
  Or you know. All right. Well, don't go bearing any bodies unmarked in cemeteries because we just
• 1:10:28
  shouldn't do that to anybody anymore. Yeah. No. I don't think so. Like even if they're a like
• 1:10:34
  shitty person serial killer, I still want their grave marked because like you don't want to be
• 1:10:40
  building shit on top of that. I was going to say yeah maybe still it's good idea because like we
• 1:10:45
  want to build their house on that. No. Yeah. Nobody. Yeah. I wonder how many buildings are on top of bodies.
• 1:10:53
  I have this one for sure. It's on something. It's on something I don't like.
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  Oh my god. Are we doing it? Did we do it? Is it over?
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  Bad news, is not over. Oh my god. Is that Taylor Swift song? Is it over? No. I don't know.