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Paul Skenes wanted a Bucs pitching coach change? New Pitcher Stat, Baseball’s ultimate superfan joins · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: All right, I want to take you guys to another
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  Speaker 1: coaching decision, and really this comes from the front office,
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  Speaker 1: and we see these moves made all the time, mostly
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  Speaker 1: in the off season. So the Pittsburgh Pirates have a
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  Speaker 1: banger offense so far to start the year. That's been
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  Speaker 1: the problem for them for years. That suddenly has changed.
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  Speaker 1: The problem has become the bullpen, very very clearly the bullpen.
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  Speaker 1: So here's Jason Schettler, who covers the team, said, from
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  Speaker 1: what we heard over the off season, the Pirates staff,
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  Speaker 1: particularly Schemes, wanted a different pitching coach, which is why
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  Speaker 1: they moved on from Oscar Marin and brought in Bill Murphy.
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  Speaker 1: He said, as easy as it is to point the
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  Speaker 1: finger at Murphy as well as Kelly, the pitchers want
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  Speaker 1: to change. So there's dialogue going on Adam on social
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  Speaker 1: media about the change in pitching coach. We've talked a
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  Speaker 1: lot about Jeremy Hepner getting let go by the Mets
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  Speaker 1: and how that's how to ripple effect in some ways,
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  Speaker 1: which you can comment on, I'm sure, but your thoughts
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  Speaker 1: on how this is going down where the Pirates are
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  Speaker 1: suddenly looking up going oh wait, we were good on
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  Speaker 1: pitching now, that's a problem for us. And the hitting
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  Speaker 1: is doing what it should, but they're not going to
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  Speaker 1: make the playoffs if they don't fix what we're seeing
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  Speaker 1: from their bullpen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and also Mitch Keller, you know, sliding sliding a
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  Speaker 2: little bit right now as well. It's almost never the
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  Speaker 2: pitching coach's fault. You know, they don't throw the ball.
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  Speaker 2: They're not out there, they're they're the modern pitching coaches
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  Speaker 2: is a collaborator, you know. It's somebody that you talk to,
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  Speaker 2: you kind of work through problems together with, but they're
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  Speaker 2: not out there dictating what you're doing, you know, And
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  Speaker 2: I think it's it's easy to point the finger at
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  Speaker 2: somebody like that. At the end of the day, it's
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  Speaker 2: it's the guys. Some of the guys aren't getting the
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  Speaker 2: job done. Maybe they didn't build in enough depth in
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  Speaker 2: that bullpen. And it's a long season. I know, they
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  Speaker 2: attacked this offseason really strong to go after that offense,
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  Speaker 2: and and you know, to a large degree, they've really
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  Speaker 2: they've really done that. They've proven that with the way
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  Speaker 2: they've swung the bat this year. But it takes three units,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the starting staff, the lineup as well as
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  Speaker 2: that bullpen to make the postseason in Major League Baseball,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, maybe they didn't have quite enough resources
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  Speaker 2: to make the whole thing really well rounded. And that's
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  Speaker 2: kind of rearing its head right now. But I can't
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  Speaker 2: point the finger at any coaching change.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's the hardest part.
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  Speaker 4: You know, somebody has to be to blame, and why
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  Speaker 4: can't it just be you know, we're not playing well
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  Speaker 4: or you know, I don't agree with some of the decisions,
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  Speaker 4: But ultimately, it's not his job. It's my job to
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  Speaker 4: get to you know, to do what I do best.
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  Speaker 4: So part of the game, part of the business. And
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  Speaker 4: a lot of times they blame the coaching staff because
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  Speaker 4: the players are getting paid a lot of money and
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  Speaker 4: it's not fair to them. But you know, we've seen
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  Speaker 4: some cases where coaches are a little out of hand, so.
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  Speaker 3: That give and take.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, pull, if we're going back to Paul
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  Speaker 4: Skins and he's saying something, man, you got to listen,
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  Speaker 4: because he's he's the face of that franchise too.
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  Speaker 1: Have you guys, you don't need to name names obviously,
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  Speaker 1: unless you want. Have you guys ever seen you know,
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  Speaker 1: players get involved with trying to make coaching decisions. What
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  Speaker 1: I mean is, have you seen a player complain about
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  Speaker 1: a coach enough that they really don't want them there?
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure you guys have.
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  Speaker 1: So if you can take any context there, right, I'm
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  Speaker 1: every player I'm sure has had, you know, some little
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  Speaker 1: disagreement or beef with somebody else in the organization.
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  Speaker 5: So Adam, I'll start with you.
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  Speaker 1: Any situations, again, you can generalize where you've seen that
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  Speaker 1: become a problem for a team where you've got some
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  Speaker 1: guys saying, hey, I don't want to work with this guy.
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  Speaker 5: I think we should move on.
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  Speaker 1: It holds more weight maybe if it's a star player
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  Speaker 1: and he's locked in for a long term contract.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it definitely holds for a way to feel
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  Speaker 2: the star player and you know they have a lot
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  Speaker 2: invested in you. I've never been a part of any
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  Speaker 2: of those conversations, Like, I've never gone to ownership and said,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we got to get rid of this guy.
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  Speaker 2: You know it's me or him or anything like that.
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  Speaker 2: But I do know that that does happen. I know
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  Speaker 2: that that happens. Sometimes guys will flex their power a
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  Speaker 2: little bit. They're not afraid to get in there and
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  Speaker 2: voice their opinion. The way I always looked at it
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  Speaker 2: in my career is, you know, I might not agree
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  Speaker 2: with something that you know, manager or coach is putting
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  Speaker 2: into place, but you know, in the pecking order, they're
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  Speaker 2: they're my boss, so I have to at least respect it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have to agree with it. I have to
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  Speaker 2: at least respect it and then try to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: navigate myself accordingly. But honestly, like, I haven't agreed with
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  Speaker 2: every coach I've had over the years, whether it's strategy, pitching,
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  Speaker 2: or different things. But it's not always it's not always
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  Speaker 2: correlated with success. Like I've had times where I was
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  Speaker 2: in disagreements and then I pitched my best and I
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  Speaker 2: have times where we were in lockstep and it didn't
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  Speaker 2: go well. So it's not always correlated. At the end
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  Speaker 2: of the day, the players are the ones with the
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  Speaker 2: with the game in their hands, and that's where you
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  Speaker 2: have to keep the accountability.
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  Speaker 3: In my opinion, yep, accountability.
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  Speaker 4: I mean have been apart some squabble, some disagreements, but
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  Speaker 4: nothing of the stature of you know, we got to
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  Speaker 4: get rid of this guy.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's a sign of a dysfunctional team right there.
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  Speaker 3: If we're being.
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  Speaker 5: Honest, you never saw, though Todd.
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  Speaker 1: You never saw someone else even like complain like a
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  Speaker 1: teammate being like, hey, I don't like this guy. He's
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  Speaker 1: trying to tell me to do this, and I disagree.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, but nothing comes out of that complain All you
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  Speaker 4: want Remember it's you're You're.
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  Speaker 3: The one that's got to hit the ball. You're the
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  Speaker 3: one that's got to pitch.
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  Speaker 4: So listen to him, and if you don't agree with him,
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  Speaker 4: go with what you feels best. And a lot of
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  Speaker 4: guys used to do that and do well. And some
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  Speaker 4: guys in the coach of becks, yeah I told you something.
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  Speaker 4: The guys I oh, thanks in about and he looks
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  Speaker 4: at you're like I did totally opposite, or or he did,
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  Speaker 4: you know, vice versa. So listen, you're the one that
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  Speaker 1: So I'll give you one other example on the on
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  Speaker 1: the hitting side of things that's happening right now as
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  Speaker 1: we speak. I mentioned it once the other day and
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  Speaker 1: it continues to be a theme right now. Tod Father
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  Speaker 1: Caleb Durbin, who used to be in the Yankee system.
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  Speaker 1: Had a pretty good year with the Brewers last year
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  Speaker 1: and then gets moved over to the Red Sox. He
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  Speaker 1: was not putting up numbers through May, right, and May itself,
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  Speaker 1: like five forty ops in May. I think April was worse,
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  Speaker 1: and the fives, and then yeah, before that, the first
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  Speaker 1: few games in March was oh something. So overall he
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  Speaker 1: was like in the mid to like probably five seventy
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  Speaker 1: ish ops. All of a sudden here in June, and
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  Speaker 1: I know it's only half a month so far, he's
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  Speaker 1: got a nine eighty seven ops. He just had a
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  Speaker 1: two homer game against the Rays, and he just looks
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  Speaker 1: different at the plate right now. You're getting some extra
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  Speaker 1: base hits going here for him, some pop, and just
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  Speaker 1: some more consistency from him at the plate. He's been
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  Speaker 1: going now to another spot to work with, you know,
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  Speaker 1: one of those facilities. He drives to Waltham out in
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  Speaker 1: New England every day. Every day before every game, he
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  Speaker 1: drives out there to work with a private hitting coach.
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  Speaker 1: Carlos Novaaz suggested it one of the Red Sox catchers.
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  Speaker 1: And so since that he's come back, he made some
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  Speaker 1: changes and he's working with them and it's working, So
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  Speaker 1: you got to take that as a team like, oh, like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm happy he's doing that, but damn, we couldn't figure
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  Speaker 1: him out.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, I've heard of a maybe I can't count in
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  Speaker 4: my hand how many times I've heard.
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  Speaker 3: Of guys doing that, and not every.
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  Speaker 4: Day either, but yeah, as an organization, you know, if
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  Speaker 4: you're one of the top guys, you're.
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  Speaker 3: Like, what are we doing? Are we doing something wrong here? Like?
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  Speaker 3: What is going on?
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  Speaker 4: And this guy's got to go get an outside source
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  Speaker 4: to help him with his swing?
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  Speaker 3: And he's in the big league professional athlete. Listen.
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  Speaker 4: I love that he's doing that. He's taking the ball
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  Speaker 4: in his hands and in his court and going with it.
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  Speaker 4: But this is it's usual. It's very unheard up to
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  Speaker 4: do something like this. It's been hurt. I've heard a
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  Speaker 4: couple of times. But hey, whatever works, I guess, So,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. It's a tough one to answer there.
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  Speaker 4: If you're in the organization, and if you're the hitting coach,
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  Speaker 4: you're like, all right, well, he's already got his work.
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  Speaker 3: Done, so I ain't got to worry about it. I
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  Speaker 3: guess it's somebody you don't even worry.
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  Speaker 5: About yeah, I mean, Adam, you want him to do
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  Speaker 5: his thing.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, like if I'm part of
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  Speaker 1: the front office, I'd be like, hey, guys, how come
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  Speaker 1: we weren't able to provide him this supporter or like
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  Speaker 1: what did we disagree with that? Now he's getting elsewhere
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  Speaker 1: because he did tweak the swing a little, he's been
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  Speaker 1: more aggressive, which I know that's kind of a simplistic
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  Speaker 1: way to look at things, but it's not like he's
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  Speaker 1: a different hitter the last couple of weeks too, Like
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  Speaker 1: it's not like he's just you know, doing something for
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  Speaker 1: good luck.
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  Speaker 2: It's just so awkward. I mean, I've seen some situations
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  Speaker 2: over the years. I mean I've seen a player have
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  Speaker 2: his dad come in and hit with him, you know,
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  Speaker 2: pregame or after the game, and that that caused a
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  Speaker 2: stir at one point. And I know of a lot
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  Speaker 2: of pitchers actually that get some scouting information behind the
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  Speaker 2: scenes kind of quietly. But that just the fact that
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  Speaker 2: this has become so public. And then also like the
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  Speaker 2: hitting outfit that he went to was like very quick
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  Speaker 2: to take immediate credit for it. Even in this I
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  Speaker 2: think it's hilarious. Like the whole thing, you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Uh, the player wanted to make some adjustments.
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  Speaker 2: He sought information that could help him, which I think
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  Speaker 2: he should do. But man, it is awkward. You just
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  Speaker 2: hope that these that these people can get on all
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  Speaker 2: on the same page with it, and that you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think if I were like a Red Sox hitting coach,
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  Speaker 2: it's easy to be offended in this situation. But the
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  Speaker 2: age that we live in, you you kind of have
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  Speaker 2: to check your ego a little bit at the door
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  Speaker 2: and say, okay, for this individual hitter, am I looking
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  Speaker 2: at this properly? What is this other information? How can I,
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  Speaker 2: you know, best be of service here, as hard as
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  Speaker 2: that might be.
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  Speaker 1: How can we save this guy the drive every day
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  Speaker 1: to the other facility and try and bring it home.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a good one, all right. Let me take
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  Speaker 1: you guys to something that just broke this week. A
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  Speaker 1: new stat We're pretty pitching heavy today, of course, with
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  Speaker 1: Adam making his debut here on the show. A new
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  Speaker 1: metric released from the stat cast crew at Baseball Savant.
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  Speaker 1: How much do pitchers miss the bat by? And is
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  Speaker 1: the bat over the ball or under the ball? Many
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  Speaker 1: other details within here, and I'm going to let Adam
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  Speaker 1: do most of the cooking here and then Todd react
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  Speaker 1: of course on the pitchers and hitters who actually played
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  Speaker 1: in the sport.
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  Speaker 5: But we're looking at average.
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  Speaker 1: Miss distance by inches, and Mason Miller's name is no
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  Speaker 1: surprise at the top. Number two is aj Bluebaugh.
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  Speaker 5: And you can see here we're showing you where is
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  Speaker 5: the baton relation to the baseball? Can we go back?
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  Speaker 1: This is Mason Miller absorbed this for a moment, but
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  Speaker 1: then I want to go back to the other list.
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  Speaker 1: So blue Ball is number two, Andrew Abbott number three
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  Speaker 1: on average miss distance at nine point three inches. And
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  Speaker 1: then the players that are in the eights are Blake Trinin,
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  Speaker 1: Justin Sterner, Fernando Cruz.
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  Speaker 5: And Luke or sorry Lake.
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  Speaker 1: Batcher eight through ten is Mike Burrows, Anthony Nuniez, and
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  Speaker 1: Jose Soriano.
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  Speaker 5: So point is Adam.
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  Speaker 1: We've got some good names on here, but we've got
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  Speaker 1: some other names that people probably don't know much about.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe that piques the interest of a front office
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  Speaker 1: to say, hey, they're getting some serious misses.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about the miss distance part of it yet.
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  Speaker 2: To me, it's more like these are just spectacular flails,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like you're getting some guys to swing at
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  Speaker 2: some really really unhittable pitches. And I mean, Mason Miller
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  Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense. What was so cool for
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  Speaker 2: me with the metrics coming out is the early on
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  Speaker 2: time late stuff and then also the like is he
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  Speaker 2: swinging under it? Swinging over it? I think that information's
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  Speaker 2: super interesting if you're trying to scout out a hitter
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  Speaker 2: or a pitcher kind of understanding what makes them effective,
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  Speaker 2: even even in terms of weak contact. I find that
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  Speaker 2: that stuff to be very informative and super interesting. And
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  Speaker 2: I didn't see that coming. The pure miss distance, Like
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  Speaker 2: I always knew it was probably gonna be guys that
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  Speaker 2: get swings in the dirt because you're not going to
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  Speaker 2: have your bat rubbing up against the dirt a lot.
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  Speaker 2: So Fernando Cruz splitter makes a lot of sense. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: Mason Miller gets you on that fastball, so guys are
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  Speaker 2: off timing trying to hit the fastball, and he throws
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  Speaker 2: them that slider. So some of them makes sense. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: i'd be I'm curious to watch some of the big
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  Speaker 2: misses from like a blue bar a guy that I
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  Speaker 2: haven't watched a ton and kind of understand it a
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  Speaker 2: little better, but I don't know a lot of cool
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and a little bit not to take away from this,
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  Speaker 4: which is pretty cool to see, but some guys can
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  Speaker 4: be sitting on a pitch and all of a sudden
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  Speaker 4: they get a slider and they're missing by that much.
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  Speaker 4: I would help out all of these pictures because I
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  Speaker 4: swung and missed a lot, and when I did, I
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  Speaker 4: look silly. It probably if it was Mason Miller versus me,
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  Speaker 4: probably be twelve point five inches because if I swung
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  Speaker 4: and missed and I was waiting on a fastball and
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  Speaker 4: I saw a slider, I would make these guys look
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  Speaker 4: absolutely better than what they are.
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  Speaker 3: So I think it has a lot to play with.
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  Speaker 4: You know what hitters are looking for and getting fooled
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  Speaker 4: too as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what Adam was bringing up is the swing timing
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  Speaker 1: they have, which expresses where the bad is in relationship
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  Speaker 1: to the ball at the closest point of contact in
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  Speaker 1: three demn So they're looking at late on time early,
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  Speaker 1: they're looking at over lined up. Under lined up is
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  Speaker 1: a swing where the barrel is within plus or minus
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  Speaker 1: three inches from the ball vertically, and then they're also
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  Speaker 1: looking at tied up, centered and flail. So I think
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  Speaker 1: that flail that you had some flails, which you know
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  Speaker 1: our buddy Pitching Ninja has called swords at times as well.
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  Speaker 1: So you have to when you come up with these
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  Speaker 1: stats of Todd Father, you actually have to define things.
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  Speaker 1: So it's fun when you're sitting there behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 1: You've got smart people that noada crunch numbers. Mike petri
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  Speaker 1: All has been on the show, He's part of that crew.
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  Speaker 1: But then they also get to sit there and come
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  Speaker 1: up with some creative or I mean baseball y terms
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  Speaker 1: to be able to label everything.
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  Speaker 4: Yep, yeah, and I love them swords, flail. You know,
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  Speaker 4: they're making up new names for pitches, the splinker, all
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  Speaker 4: that kind of good stuff. So makes baseball more interesting.
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  Speaker 4: But again another state at where you know these pictures
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  Speaker 4: are like, yeah, let me put that not stat on
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  Speaker 4: the board too as well, so there's a stat for everything.
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  Speaker 4: I'm I'm looking at a stat here. People are saying
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  Speaker 4: I made at him look good. Yeah, I did make
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  Speaker 4: him look good. I did that on purpose, knowing we'd
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  Speaker 4: be in this situation.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 1: That was nice of you, Yeah, the matchup between Ottobino
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  Speaker 1: and Todd Father.
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  Speaker 5: That's good.
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  Speaker 1: That's good because you know you got to sit next
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  Speaker 1: to him, maybe on a desk, and you're like, you
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  Speaker 1: know what.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want him to be mad at me.
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  Speaker 4: I can tell you know. I don't know if he
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  Speaker 4: could have taken it if I if I wasn't one
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  Speaker 4: for eleven against if I was like six for eleven.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, I just gotta I gotta think about the future.
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  Speaker 5: When were those AB's too, Do you remember, like, do.
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  Speaker 4: You I went one for one with like a cheap
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  Speaker 4: single and then zero for ten the rest of the way.
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  Speaker 5: Whoa what do you guys remember? Like what teams?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously there's a few scenarios, but was there
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  Speaker 1: a spot where you guys probably faced each other the most?
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  Speaker 2: I remember he almost hit a home run off me
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  Speaker 2: at cors with the White Sox. We've talked about it before.
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  Speaker 2: He thought he got it, just missed it a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: And then I remember facing him a couple of times
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  Speaker 2: with when he was on the Mets as well. I
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  Speaker 2: remember one time when I was at the Yankees subway series,
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  Speaker 2: so we crossed paths now and then and then also
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  Speaker 2: even back, I'm pretty sure I faced him going back
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  Speaker 2: to a K league too.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, and I think he.
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  Speaker 3: Got a hit off.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't count here, but I think you got a
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  Speaker 2: hit off me.
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  Speaker 3: Then Oh, all right, I'll tell you I did well there.
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  Speaker 3: The year.
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  Speaker 5: Todd was on Chatham, what were you on Harwich? Harwich? Nice?
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  Speaker 1: Oh so close by too little neighbors there, like a
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  Speaker 1: ten minute drive. All right, that's good stuff. Coming up next,
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  Speaker 1: we've got a unique one. Mike Cassiano has been to
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  Speaker 1: more games than you, and he'll tell us why. Well, Mike,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: it's great to have you on here. You know, we
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  Speaker 1: we don't do these interviews in yeah, of course, we
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  Speaker 1: don't do these types off. But your story stands out.
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  Speaker 1: So we were like, hey, we've got to get this
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  Speaker 1: guy on the show. I'll let you take it for
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: thirty seconds to first off, just explain your backstory and
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  Speaker 1: then our guys will have some questions for you.
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  Speaker 7: Well, it just started kind of innocently enough, you know,
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  Speaker 7: trying to be kind of like normal and do all
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  Speaker 7: kinds of other things, and you know, and having dates
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  Speaker 7: and this and that, and then it's just one day
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  Speaker 7: she started going to Chase dam and she just kept
• 19:29
  Speaker 7: going because when I watch the game at home, I'd
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: be yelling and screaming at the TV set and we bother.
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  Speaker 7: My mother she hated it, So I said, why I
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: should just go to baargame instead. And then I met
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  Speaker 7: all of these guys to call themselves a Season one
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  Speaker 7: fan club, this guy named Don Comen, Fuzzy pac Woman,
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  Speaker 7: a guy we call Indian Sam can you watch them in?
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  Speaker 7: And a host of others. So I just started going
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  Speaker 7: more frequently and more often, and I just couldn't stop.
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  Speaker 4: Let me ask you this question, this is so interest
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  Speaker 4: thing to make. How many total games do you think
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  Speaker 4: you've been to between all the sports?
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  Speaker 7: It's seventeen thousand seven, It's almost seventeen thousand. We got
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  Speaker 7: ten thousand faithball, almost four thousand hockey, over two thousand NBA,
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  Speaker 7: almost five hundred NFL. I stuck in seventy soccer the.
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  Speaker 3: Last like twelve years.
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  Speaker 7: One cricket match and about eight and nine rugby matches,
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  Speaker 7: and then maybe four hundred college basketball games or a
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  Speaker 7: little over one hundred college football games, then a couple
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  Speaker 7: of junior hockey games, a couple of only five only
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  Speaker 7: five college baseball games.
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  Speaker 4: So this is absolutely phenomenal. Do you keep all the
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  Speaker 4: ticket stuffs that you've been to or that's your life whatever.
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  Speaker 7: Unfortunately that they they no longer issue the tickets up
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  Speaker 7: almost everywhere, but at home, I definitely have well over
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  Speaker 7: ten thousand ticket stubs and over the place.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what to do with them anymore.
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  Speaker 7: But my ten thousand game, somebody in the Mets ticket
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  Speaker 7: off is it printed me a ticket for that game,
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  Speaker 7: which I have in my book now, which is gonna
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  Speaker 7: stay my scorebook the whole year.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, you've been to thousands of baseball games, give me
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  Speaker 4: one game in particular where you're like, I'll never forget
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  Speaker 4: this game because it was something really great, something.
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  Speaker 3: They continue to ask me that question.
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  Speaker 7: But that's a tie Game six, Game seven, nineteen eighty six.
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  Speaker 7: And the thing about Game six, if you're sitting there
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  Speaker 7: knowing my team lost the World Series, gosh, you know's
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  Speaker 7: and you know that's such a great year. But they
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  Speaker 7: didn't lose two hours Nobody on baby. They won the
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  Speaker 7: game and there were no doubt in my mind, and
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  Speaker 7: were getting one Game seven and they did so those
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  Speaker 7: two games are like a one way tie or two
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  Speaker 7: way tie, anyway you want to look at it.
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  Speaker 2: So, obviously this is awesome. By the way, Mike, nice
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  Speaker 2: to talk to you. Obviously, you have something almost every day,
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  Speaker 2: and you're going to a ton of places, a ton
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  Speaker 2: of places, over and over and over again. Do you
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  Speaker 2: always sit in the same places? Do you have a
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  Speaker 2: similar routine like going the same way?
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  Speaker 7: I try to set up there behind the plate. I
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  Speaker 7: get the full view of the home field. So I
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  Speaker 7: just try to sit up behind the plate everywhere I go.
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  Speaker 7: There's a picture of my father and my brother just
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  Speaker 7: popped up in there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, my father passed away earlier this year. Up there,
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  Speaker 3: I got you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Clint, let me ask you this question. Let me
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: ask you this big New York guy, right, you love
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  Speaker 4: the New York teams?
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  Speaker 3: Have you one?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, talk to me. Who's that? Oh?
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  Speaker 7: They're playing the Brox somewhere up there in Rivery Road,
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  Speaker 7: you know, but I got a lot of their game too,
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  Speaker 7: because it's home.
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  Speaker 3: Have you been to Have you been to a game?
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  Speaker 3: I've played a.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Okay? Did I do? Well? Do you remember? I know
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  Speaker 3: you got a King's memory?
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  Speaker 5: Is this Todd.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, I've seen you hit thirty five home runs, and
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  Speaker 7: with the Match you hit eleven and twenty nineteen eleven
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  Speaker 7: and twenty eighteen. In twenty seventeen, I've seen you hit
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  Speaker 7: full home runs, but I don't know how many of
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  Speaker 7: those were with the Yankees. But I have seen you
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  Speaker 7: hit thirty five home runs. Incredible, remembered all igin, it's all, it's.
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  Speaker 3: All liked in. That is, are you logging in your
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  Speaker 3: brain or in the computer.
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  Speaker 7: I have a friend who lists in San Andrew, California.
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  Speaker 7: His name is Tyke Narry Edward type Narry. And if
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: you went this back, somebody said he a picture of
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  Speaker 7: all my game lags from my books, and he put
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  Speaker 7: it all together, and he put all the information together.
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  Speaker 7: And now he's actually an Amtrak engineer, so when he
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  Speaker 7: has time, he updates it every day or every two
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  Speaker 7: or three days, and it's constantly updated. So he could
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  Speaker 7: tell me how many Grand Slam home runs, I've seen,
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  Speaker 7: how many no hitters, I've seen, how many triple plays
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  Speaker 7: I've seen find the way two on assisted triple place
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  Speaker 7: two hundred and sixty two unassisted assisted at triple plays,
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  Speaker 7: and one of them was one sty Field that I
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: was against the Phillies and that was not good.
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  Speaker 3: Who was your favorite? Who was your favorite player that
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: you got to see?
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  Speaker 7: Well, in my very early days, I did get to
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: see with you May's and as far as the messagecern
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  Speaker 7: David Ryan, so we've been one of my favorites by
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  Speaker 7: my early day. I like people like Jim Hicksman, the
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  Speaker 7: original Frank Thomas. In fact, Duke Niner hit my first
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  Speaker 7: met home run in Polling Grounds in nineteen sixty three.
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  Speaker 3: I liked him.
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  Speaker 5: But uh, a lot of players I like.
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  Speaker 7: You know, I don't really differentiate so much. It's just
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  Speaker 7: but as far as like the favorites, I would say
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  Speaker 7: definitely Willie Mays and David Rice's name those two, and
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  Speaker 7: Tom Severe of course the franchise.
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  Speaker 5: And I also love Vy Coust. Go ahead, Scott, tell
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: me about the no hitters. So you've been to thirteen
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  Speaker 5: of them? So so what's that might.
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  Speaker 7: Actually sixteen because there was abbreviated no hitter I was
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: taking away from Major League Baseball.
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  Speaker 3: I also saw two in.
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  Speaker 7: The minor league.
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  Speaker 3: I saw a perfect game.
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: In the minor league je Mark Gomez when he was
• 26:54
  Speaker 7: with Ikron. But I saw David Wells's perfect game, David
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  Speaker 7: Cohnes perfect game, and Dwight Gooden won no hitter with
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  Speaker 7: the Yankees.
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  Speaker 3: So it just took a while before I see him
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  Speaker 3: Matt actually do it.
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  Speaker 7: And you know that was controversial because the.
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  Speaker 5: Umpire at their base one, you know, but there.
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  Speaker 7: Was a no hitter, you know, as far as I'm concerned, because.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know hits for a low.
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  Speaker 7: But my first one was in nineteen eighty three with
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  Speaker 7: Bob Force his second no hitter in Saint Louis against
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: the Montreal Expos.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, pretty pretty cool.
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  Speaker 4: My last two questions for you, when was the first
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: What was the first game you went to?
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  Speaker 3: What year was that? If you could recall May.
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  Speaker 7: Twenty sixth, nineteen sixty three, my dad took me to
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  Speaker 7: a Double Heller a Yankee Stadium. Yankees won the first
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: game seven to one, Elston Howard hit my first home
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: run Jim Bounty game see one of the hosts uh
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  Speaker 7: And the second.
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  Speaker 3: Game the Stunners has won seven to six.
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  Speaker 7: But I did not know I realized at that time
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  Speaker 7: till a few years ago listening on the RA when
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: I went to the masters room doing inning break and
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: I hear the speaker in the men's room and Josh
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: Blowing and Howie Rose had a quiz and the question
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: was when Gil Harsts won his first game as a manager,
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: who was the original men.
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  Speaker 3: In the lineup?
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: And then he set the dates.
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  Speaker 7: It was May twenty sixth, nineteen sixty three, and I
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: knew They asked the Hobie Landris and uh, that was
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: Gil Hart's first was the manager, and I was there.
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  Speaker 3: That's that's really unique.
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  Speaker 4: My last question for you here, is there a day
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  Speaker 4: or time you said I'm gonna go to my last
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  Speaker 4: game and kind of maybe retire from doing.
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  Speaker 3: This, or You're gonna do this for as long as
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: you can. All right.
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  Speaker 7: I've told this to all my friends.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: It says if I did, if I die in a
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: baseball thame bear in my hands. I died happy. Oh less,
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: it's a Yankee stadium. Take the beer off my hands.
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Oh there, we got it.
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  Speaker 5: That is good. That's my dropline right there. That is
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: really fun.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Mike, we really appreciate you sharing the story of
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: seeing some articles about you. People can follow you at
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: King Cougar Mike on Twitter. Thanks so much for joining
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: us and sharing your story and thank you for having
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: on all the games that you've hit. Really cool story,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: thank you, thank you really good.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much.