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Herbert Mullin: How many People Did You Need To Sacrifice? · When Killers Get Caught with Brittany Ransom

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  Everybody into your killer country.
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  My name is Brittany. Ransom and my name is Brian Joo,
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  winner. And this is when Killers get
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  caught a podcast about do deep. Dives into the lives and psyches
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  of the Killer's. We love to learn about each
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  week. We'll discuss something new and
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  interesting in the serial killer world.
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  We will discuss one well-known or lesser known killer and go
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  deep into their childhood lives methodology, and most
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  importantly how they got caught. And then because most of your
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  killer fans, love a little spooked, Brian will lead us down
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  the road of the Paranormal and to something he found to be
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  particularly creepy. So one thing that we've been
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  trying because updates in the serial killer world are kind of
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  few and far between and we started this on last week's
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  podcast and I kind of want to continue with it.
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  Is that Brian? And I are going to Find a story
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  that interested us this week and tell each other about them last
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  week. I think we were just trying to
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  make the other laughs. Maybe I don't know probably but
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  this week's story for me is local to where you and I live
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  and so that's why this one kind of struck me.
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  So in 1977 a woman was found in Delaware.
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  She was spotted by a boy, riding his bicycle in June near New
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  Castle Delaware for years. All police had was a cause of
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  death homicide, a description of her.
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  She was about 53 dark blond, and somewhere between 40 and 55
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  years old, and they really had nothing else until now.
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  So after four decades, they have identified, the remains of this
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  woman. Her name is Mary patri hyzer.
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  She was 50 years old and she was the wife to a retired police
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  officer in Philadelphia, okay? Right.
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  He was part of the Philadelphia, Police Department, Highway
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  Patrol during the 50s and 60s and I guess they were kind of
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  like the what's that basketball? Team that does the cool tricks.
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  The Harlem Globetrotters yeah, they were like the Globetrotters
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  but cops and they would do all sorts of like shows and local
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  like are like Theatres and stadiums and stuff.
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  And yeah. Well so Heiser got hurt her
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  husband, William Heiser, senior got hurt.
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  And so he had to retire from being a police officer and he
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  became. What do you think his job was
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  when he retired from police officers.
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  A teacher. It's one of the number 10 killer
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  jobs the truck driver. Yep.
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  He became a truck driver. So so yeah, they and so after
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  his wife was murdered, he relocated to South Daytona Beach
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  and he actually died in 2006 from cancer.
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  They don't know entire like they know it was homicide, you know,
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  DNA record. They've been able to do to her
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  but here's the worst part about this.
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  After dad killed her. He told the kids that she had,
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  like, run off with some guy. So these children grew up their
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  whole life thinking that their mom was just this awful woman
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  who abandoned them when really dad killed her and left her in a
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  ditch in Delaware. This terrible.
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  Yeah, she also worked part-time at the Ashbourne Country Club in
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  Cheltenham Pennsylvania, which is also near where I lived.
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  So I was like, gosh, this is like some local horrible stuff
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  that happens. Terrible.
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  It was I just feel so bad. I'm at least they have some kind
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  of closure but poor Ted. Yeah, yeah, they're probably
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  like 40 something. 50 years old now and now they find out that
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  their mom wasn't a horrible person.
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  You know, your dad was a horrible guy.
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  And also, if you look like right next to you on the thing, so
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  yeah, the book Is Here. Yeah.
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  So I'm full on TV. So you are.
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  Welcome to read that. Okay?
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  Yeah, tell me about your story. So that's something that was
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  found out over the last couple of weeks.
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  Okay, let me pull it up, pull up.
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  All right, mine is not local. Okay, at all, my next week comes
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  from UK. So, I guess they're still in
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  covid, lock down over there. So a group of ghosts, and Ghost
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  Hunters. Broke their lockdown, okay?
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  They're covid rules and they went to go see a haunted house,
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  of course they did. Yeah.
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  Um, I just watched a movie and shattered today about a group of
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  people who could try to do a seance over a zoo call, and I'm
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  like, yes, it's on there. It was a weird and they somehow
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  accidentally, you know, brought about it.
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  Men that we happen. Always happens when people do
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  seances. Oh okay.
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  But yeah like what they just think about that right now like
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  this is what kind of world we're in 2021.
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  People are breaking quarantine to go.
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  Ghost hunting people are doing seances of resume.
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  This is weird. It says about says 12 men and
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  women. Okay.
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  We're so it was like three different groups of those
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  Hunters. Oh geez.
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  And It's like the whole TAPS in this one house, okay?
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  I mean yeah it's like so oh but wait that's more than 8 people.
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  Yeah. So, yeah, you're 12 people in
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  the South, I don't know. Well, the rule in the states is
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  like no more than eight people at any Gathering.
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  Yeah, that's why they definitely reached it.
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  I would fall people there. Okay, well, here's a really
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  important question. Hmm, did they find any evidence?
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  No, don't say that. Ah, sorry, you know, all they
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  found was arrested getting arrested other films being taken
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  in, or I think arrested Another the police called him.
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  So there was this great one over in the UK or was it France?
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  It was over in Europe. And this guy had like take it
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  out like a stuffed dog because he was so tired of being stuck
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  in the house and the rule was that like at like 4:00 p.m. you
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  had to go inside and he hated it.
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  So he was taking this fake dog on fake walks at like 10:00 at
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  night. Hmm.
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  Oh so people are like okay. I can only imagine if we were
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  in, lockdown lockdown. Down like they are.
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  As long as they work, we probably should have been longer
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  but we've been out for almost a year now.
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  Yeah it says says, there were no permissions granted to anyone to
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  be in a building which was in poor state of repair.
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  Also they also broken entering and trespassed.
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  Yeah. And as a result, it was an
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  incredibly dangerous place to be with parts of the building
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  subject to collapse when checking the building, it
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  quickly became clear that a number of people were inside and
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  others. He's outside.
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  Three groups were eventually located.
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  So yeah, it was like what's this?
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  How they got fined. So it's a apparently, it's a
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  haunted house. Let me see.
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  Where's that was it? I was that.
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  I know what's in goodness. Cheshire knows it Cheshire.
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  Yeah and as probably one of them because it stays different
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  places where people are from like so.
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  Okay, some of the people who drove from like West Yorkshire
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  and yeah, some girl from Derbyshire.
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  Oh wow. And yeah it's like so they all
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  just drove out here. And I guess they didn't plan on
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  like being there together but they okay.
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  So, three separate groups. Yeah.
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  Of Ghost Hunters all showed up at the same house.
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  At the same time it is is Chester is near Chester.
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  Okay but yeah, here's a picture of the house.
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  It looks like an old on the house, you know, music, there
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  you go. Give me at landscape by those
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  horrible, right? And you can see there's like
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  graffiti on the side of it and everything so as they are want
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  to do. Yeah.
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  So I mean, it looks like a looks like it's haunted so well then
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  yeah. Yeah, there it goes.
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  That is kind of funny though in the sense that like three
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  different groups made that decision completely separate
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  from each other. I would love to know what was so
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  important about that house that made them want to do that.
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  I'll probably just bored anyone to say they said, hey, I'm gonna
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  go something today. Yeah.
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  Is that what we do? We just say, hey I'm going to go
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  sun today. Yeah.
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  Like you need to prepare a little bit.
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  I mean it's like um Have you ever heard of random?
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  Random Nautica? Yeah.
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  Okay, it's like that sort of, it's like, you just, you know,
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  you just like, I'm bored. Ran, an article was kind of cool
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  and creepy until those kids found that lady in a okay
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  suitcase. Yeah.
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  But then it got a little too real, but yeah, but this was
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  like, you know, during quarantine or, you know, people
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  would go out and like, hey, you know, I got my friend, I want to
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  do it. Yeah.
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  People will go out and they're like, hey, I'm bored, let's go,
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  you know, look for something interesting today.
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  We're Rando Moreno not today. So you know, they're just bored
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  in the house in the house. Bored bored in the house in the
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  house. I think that's a great premise
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  for a movie on shutter, boarding house.
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  No, everybody's like, they're like I'm so bored.
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  I've been in quarantine for like eight months a year and a half
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  who knows how long some people have been quarantined.
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  Now this point, like we're going Ago.
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  And then inadvertently, they all end up at this place and they're
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  all locked in this haunted house.
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  Bam. Oh, if only you had just stayed
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  in quarantine like you were supposed to do.
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  No, souls have to work. Excuse me, ma'am.
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  That's because you're a medical person.
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  So you have to work. Yeah, exactly.
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  But anyway, so this week's person, I kind of brought it
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  back to America, but for point for a reason, okay, I realized
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  that in taksaka on Tick-Tock. I discussed the different kinds
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  of serial killers and I've discussed a lot of comfort
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  Killers, like Ray and Faye Copeland, from episode seven or
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  Belle gunness from episode 2. Those are people killing for
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  money or things to make them comfortable.
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  I've discussed hedonistic Killers like Ian, Brady and Myra
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  hindley, I've ask us to power and control killer Ivan Milat.
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  But there are two that I've kind of abandoned the Visionary and
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  the missionary. So I'm going to discuss a
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  Visionary killer today. Probably one of the classic
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  cases for people who are not well, versed on this Visionary.
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  Serial killers are delusional, and they believe that some other
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  power is commanding them to kill and that they are working for a
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  higher purpose, okay? At one of the classic cases
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  would be Herbert Mullin a man. Who believed if he killed, he'd
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  safe. California from a massive
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  earthquake that he was convinced would destroy the state.
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  Hey, since you know I mean if you didn't kill people, he's a
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  sacrificing for the ancient volcano.
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  God, well, he believed that other people should be
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  sacrificing. Yeah, he was like a poison.
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  He was sacrificing other people to the ancient volcano guys.
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  Actually saw, they do you mean, well, you'll see how very much
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  has his line of thinking, actually was very much like
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  that. Okay?
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  So Herbert Mullin was born, April, 4th 1947 and Salinas
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  California, This is coincidentally, the anniversary
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  of the San Francisco Earthquake of 1906, that massive one that
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  destroyed San Francisco. Something that he was well aware
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  of and thought was divine prominence.
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  He was born to two Catholic, parents Gene, and Bill, Mullen
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  and his own father described, their home as oppressively.
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  Religious mainly due, to her birth mother who was a devout
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  Catholic, he had one older sister named Patricia and his
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  father was a World War 2, vet and was described his Stern, but
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  not abusive. However, he did show Herbert all
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  of his Idols and taught how to use a gun at a young age in.
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  1952 the family moved to a small farming town of San Francisco.
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  And then when he was 16 Herbert's family moved again to
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  Santa Cruz, they lived and his aunt and uncle's cabin and
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  Boulder Creek until they were able to find a house and felt
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  him, which is a small town in Santa Cruz County.
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  They enrolled him in San Lorenzo Valley High School where he made
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  a lot of friends. He played football, he was a
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  really popular guy. He had a Steady girlfriend and
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  he was even moated most likely to succeed in his senior year,
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  in high school. Oh wow.
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  Look at them. Then in 1965 when he was 18
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  years old. His best friend.
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  Dean Richardson was killed in a car accident.
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  This was the summer after they graduated.
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  This was a major event in Herbert's life and he actually
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  built a shrine to his best friend and his bedroom, and then
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  he began to worry that his inability to get over his
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  friend's death was assigned that he might be homosexual.
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  Just so, I mean, even though he had a girlfriend, I'm taking
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  that as partially. Well, I spoke to you about this
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  the other day off, camera that I I told I called it the
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  schizophrenic time. Oh, Rarity that schizophrenia is
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  known to start in late teens, early twenties, which is the
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  primary time that we are going to be discussing Herbert Mullin
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  life. So this is kind of what they
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  would think of, as sort of a trigger moment for him.
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  And his life is a big issue. He didn't know how to handle it.
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  He just for some reason he didn't have the tools to get
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  over this and he began to read about reincarnation natural
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  disasters. All religions and it all kind of
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  became an obsession for him and this will also be the time that
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  people begin to notice a little bit of his mental decline.
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  He entered Cabrillo College in the fall of 1965 to study
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  engineering which is also when he started using drugs and
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  self-medicating with marijuana and LSD.
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  At 18. He was diagnosed as a paranoid
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  schizophrenic, but he was allowed to go to college.
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  As long as he continued his medication, he finished his
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  first year of school. He got a summer job with the
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  county road crew. He broke up with his long-term,
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  girlfriend Loretta for about six months and they got back
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  together in 1967 and then I got engaged.
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  Nice. So like it seems like he's
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  determined that he's had an illness, he has a mental illness
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  but he's got like a plan you know he's doing something about
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  it though. So you know, he's trying to help
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  himself. The thing is though in that
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  summer of 1967, when he got back together with Loretta, he also
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  started experimenting with drugs more and he also began to fixate
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  on Eastern religions. He did manage to graduate with a
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  two-year degree in Road engineering and he enrolled in
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  San Jose State College. That fall of 67, he became
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  active in the protest against the war in Vietnam.
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  He changed his major to philosophy and became like kind
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  of a hippie. It's just one would do that.
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  He withdrew from San Jose State College registered as a
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  conscientious objector has an affair with a man cheating on
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  Loretta and then after getting violent with her they break up
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  and he comes out as bisexual, okay?
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  So still nothing too crazy. April of 1968, he gets arrested
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  for possession of marijuana. He pleads out to a lesser case.
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  Getting only probation gets a job at Goodwill Industries and
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  he manages a Goodwill in San Luis.
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  Obispo California, he actually gets granted that conscientious
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  objector status and October of 1968, after his dad, wrote a
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  letter to the draft about how his son was very peacefully
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  minded. Oh, He okay.
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  Yeah, his dad had to help the Selective Service Board
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  credited. His time that he was working at
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  Goodwill toward the required alternative service.
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  So if you were granted conscientious objector, you
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  still had to do like community service or something for the
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  good of America if you weren't going to join the war that was
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  just a part of the time period. Okay.
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  I guess. Look you just gave me that you
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  doing shit. Fuck.
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  Are you past the age where they could call you and now?
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  Oh no probably not. I mean you are a young strapping
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  man? I am 32.
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  If I don't know I forget What age you suddenly become too old
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  for it? I think it's 35 outs of listen.
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  If World War 3 breaks out, you can still be called in.
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  Don't jinx us, please. So things were going.
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  Alright, for Herbert until February of 1969.
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  He announces to his family. He's going to India to study
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  yoga. You'll be Yogi instead he moves
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  to, okay, I'm going to mess this team up, but it's about
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  Sebastopol California. I never heard of the city.
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  In my life, normally cities in California are Spanish on what
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  that is probably Spanish. But either way, he moves into a
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  trailer on the ranch owned by his sister and her husband,
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  maybe after a month. about a month after he moves in, he's at
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  dinner and their house and he begins, imitating his
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  brother-in-law's moves So this is known as a capri Axia or Echo
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  Kinesis and it's an involuntary repetition of another person's
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  actions and it is a sign of schizophrenia.
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  And this was assigned to his family.
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  He is not getting better and They begged him to admit himself
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  into a treatment facility. What happened to be in the yogi?
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  Nothing. He just, he moved in with his
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  sister and called it a day. Yeah.
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  You want him to be a yogi? Yeah.
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  Well him to be. How do you wait?
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  Wait a second, you know. That he ends up murdering a slew
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  of people in Santa Cruz, right? Yeah.
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  But maybe I can change the story and by manifesting just get a
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  manifest the fact that Herbert Mullin didn't kill 30 people
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  right there. But no unfortunately, he did
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  not, he did even take the trip. He just he made it like an hour
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  away, okay. That's as far as he traveled.
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  But I'm at the urging of his family.
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  He voluntarily committed himself to the Mendocino state hospital,
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  and he stayed there for six weeks there.
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  He was treated for schizophrenia, aggravated by
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  drug abuse, and treated with antipsychotic medications.
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  So wait, so his drug abuse. Made it worse.
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  Yes. Okay.
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  It's pretty common. A lot of people with mental
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  illness is self medicate as a means to feel better.
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  Right. Right?
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  Yeah makes sense. Well that's not you know.
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  Yeah we all eventually tell you like how much he was abusing LSD
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  if it's a lot. But he's only there for about
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  six weeks because he didn't think it was doing anything for
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  him and his doctors listed him as uncooperative, and they also
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  wrote in his chart, they gave him a prognosis of poor, he
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  checked himself out, May 9th, 1969.
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  So this is the beginning of the story right now.
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  Okay. And we already have a poor
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  diagnosis. He's our yeah.
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  It's this is a really I guess. Kind of a tragic tale.
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  Hmm. So, that's summer 69.
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  He went to Lake Tahoe with another patient for the
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  facility. The two of them found jobs as
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  dishwashers at a gambling resort known as Harvey's Wagon Wheel.
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  This bit of stability, only lasted a couple months as soon
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  as he went home in August of 1969, he got in trouble.
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  Again this time for pulling a knife on a forest, ranger, who
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  told him to leave a park? He did not stab the forest
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  ranger and he was taken to county jail but he was not
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  booked and was released to his family.
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  Okay shortly after this his family thought that if he could
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  get his drug use under control he would be able to get the
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  schizophrenia under control, right?
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  So they kind of don't want to say bullied, but we call that
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  positive early intervention in support of they convinced him
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  to, he goes to a community drug Center in Santa Cruz impatient.
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  That's September of 69 some time while he was there.
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  He began and like this was multiple sources.
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  That said this term. So I just ritually burning his
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  genitals with cigarettes. Yes, what?
• 23:38
  Yep. Know that that was the direct
• 23:41
  term ritually burning. Yes, I'm sorry.
• 23:47
  So that's September of 1969, a lot happens in October 1965 he
• 23:53
  leaves the drug rehab center. He applies to be on public
• 23:56
  assistance since he's got no job and no real place to live.
• 23:59
  He goes Goes to his old manager, at the Goodwill store.
• 24:02
  And Herbert tells the store manager, he's hearing voices and
• 24:05
  receiving messages. He also made sexual advances
• 24:11
  toward one of his friends, who then called Herbert's, Uncle
• 24:17
  Herbert over was a doctor and immediately informed the local
• 24:21
  sheriff that his nephew was having a psychotic episode that
• 24:25
  month, he gets involuntarily committed to the psychiatric
• 24:28
  ward of San Luis Obispo. Eddie Hospital.
• 24:31
  A doctor. There says this is a direct
• 24:33
  quote as a result of a mental disorder.
• 24:36
  He is a danger to others, a danger to himself and Gravely
• 24:39
  disabled. This is the first time that they
• 24:43
  have said, that his mental illness is a disability.
• 24:47
  And I think that is a drastic shift, right?
• 24:50
  Yeah. While they're Herbert, start
• 24:53
  sending his letters to his parents and begging them to
• 24:55
  write to him, that's November by now.
• 24:59
  He's been there for a couple weeks, he ends up getting
• 25:01
  treated total of your body eight weeks and they diagnosed him for
• 25:05
  announce the third time as a paranoid, schizophrenic at the
• 25:09
  end of November his family drive to see him.
• 25:12
  And he tells them he's homosexual I guess fully coming
• 25:16
  out on November 23rd. 1969, he's discharged from San Luis.
• 25:20
  Obispo County Hospital contingent upon Him attending
• 25:24
  sessions at the Santa Cruz mental health, clinic near his
• 25:27
  parents house. Wait, this is a Reed hospital.
• 25:30
  This is the third hospital. He's been released from Mmm.
• 25:33
  Okay. And he has to go to another one.
• 25:36
  Well, they're saying at this point, they're saying we can
• 25:38
  treat him outpatient, right? And we've set up something at
• 25:42
  another clinic near where your parents live because they're
• 25:46
  releasing him to his parents, right?
• 25:48
  So make it easier. Bring his prognosis listed now
• 25:51
  is grave. Oh, that's worse than poor.
• 25:55
  Yes, indeed! Oh, so why really some him and
• 25:58
  to his defense Oh, Herbert did originally try and follow the
• 26:01
  guidelines, right? The problem is with the illness
• 26:05
  he had and the time that he added, we didn't know nearly as
• 26:07
  much about it as we do now, he probably shouldn't have been
• 26:11
  released on his own at this point.
• 26:13
  Not like you said, Yeah, by January of 1970.
• 26:18
  So literally a month later, he's not keeping up with his sessions
• 26:21
  at the clinic. He's not going to gloop group
• 26:23
  therapy. He is taking his medicine
• 26:25
  intermittently and we learned from the Elisa Lam case that
• 26:29
  Some of these medications you cannot take off and on.
• 26:32
  You have to be consistent or can cause even more aggressive,
• 26:37
  horrible, you know, violent behaviors.
• 26:40
  The only thing that Herbert is able to seem to be able to do in
• 26:43
  the beginning of 1970 is keep a job.
• 26:46
  He's a dishwasher at the Holiday Inn.
• 26:49
  Okay. So March 1970.
• 26:55
  So he manages to keep that up for about 2-3 months.
• 26:59
  He starts getting into fights with his dad.
• 27:01
  Oh, really like real? You know, very much pushing the
• 27:06
  boundaries and finally, his dad is like, you got to go.
• 27:08
  Yeah, he moves out of his parents house into a cheap hotel
• 27:11
  paid for by the state assistance.
• 27:13
  Checks he's getting, he meets this guy named Eddie Lawrence
• 27:16
  who introduces him to the commune life in Santa Cruz.
• 27:20
  He's super into it, but the other residents there are like
• 27:23
  no we don't we don't want him. So there's off about this guy.
• 27:29
  Yep. So in the summer of 1970, a
• 27:31
  friend. He met at the con you named Pat.
• 27:33
  Brown was like I'm going to Hawaii, do you want to go with
• 27:37
  me? And her it's like, absolutely,
• 27:41
  it's Hawaii. Because who would turn down a
• 27:43
  trip to Hawaii? Yeah.
• 27:47
  Pat abandons Herbert in Hawaii, because Herbert's acting weird.
• 27:51
  So he just leave them there. Yes, he leaves them in Hawaii.
• 27:54
  Yes, and Herbert admits himself to the mental health clinic in
• 27:58
  Maui. Oh goodness.
• 28:01
  Okay, he is examined by a psychiatrist there and this time
• 28:05
  they diagnosed him with schizoaffective schizophrenia.
• 28:08
  So I feel like Now, is the point ready to talk about the
• 28:11
  different diagnosis because we're hearing so many different
• 28:13
  ones. Yes, he's got three different,
• 28:17
  very similar diagnosis. And first thing you got to know
• 28:21
  if there's multiple kinds of schizophrenia as a teen and an
• 28:25
  early adult he's diagnosed as just gets a frantic, which is a
• 28:28
  mental illness, characterized by hallucinations delusion
• 28:32
  disordered thinking behavior that a daily functions.
• 28:37
  He seen as a severe case at that point but not Debilitating at,
• 28:41
  then he gets diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic with
• 28:45
  paranoid. Schizophrenia delusions are
• 28:47
  fixed and the person is, as it states very paranoid, this is
• 28:53
  the kind of person who thinks that, you know, like the tinfoil
• 28:56
  hat like they're listening in on me, the FBI is out to get me.
• 29:00
  They have a fixed delusion, that's kind of the center of
• 29:03
  their problem, okay? Now in the clinic in Maui, he
• 29:07
  gets this third diagnosis schizoaffective schizophrenia
• 29:11
  which we would now and 2021 call schizoaffective disorder.
• 29:16
  This one is you have some of the schizophrenic things like the
• 29:22
  Delusions and disordered thinking, but it's also
• 29:25
  connected to other disorders like depression or bipolar
• 29:29
  disorder. So at this point more than
• 29:32
  likely what probably freaked out, Pat Brown is him swinging
• 29:36
  from high to low with his Outburst, okay?
• 29:41
  At this point. Now I mean the first time it
• 29:42
  started was only a couple years ago.
• 29:44
  I was 18. His illness is not only
• 29:49
  progressing, it's progressing fast and he is rapidly declining
• 29:55
  and like I said, so I really don't think in this day and age.
• 30:00
  He would have been allowed to just travel freely.
• 30:03
  No, even in this situation, it takes some time for the hospital
• 30:07
  to be willing to release him. They're not willing to release
• 30:10
  him until July of 1970 and he went to Hawaii in June.
• 30:15
  So at least about a month, my God, ya know, he has to write
• 30:19
  his family for money to essentially buy him a plane
• 30:23
  ticket to get back to California.
• 30:27
  He moves back in with his family on July 30th and he gets
• 30:32
  arrested for being under the influence of drugs and
• 30:35
  possession of illegal things almost immediately.
• 30:40
  I just feel like it might sound bad, but I feel like at this
• 30:43
  point, like, a mental institution would be like, like
• 30:47
  in Patient like, would be best for him.
• 30:51
  It's rough on one hand. It feels like you don't want to
• 30:56
  limit people's freedom. Yeah but but on the other hand
• 31:01
  like this is someone who's just deeply unwell and like people
• 31:04
  just keep passing him off back and forth to other people.
• 31:07
  Yeah. And it is not helping him.
• 31:09
  It's not in like while he's in jail, they don't give him his
• 31:13
  medications which is horrible. He starts singing, Singing at
• 31:18
  the top of his lungs for hours and the prison decides to lock
• 31:24
  this as an emergency and they sent him to the county hospital
• 31:27
  where he's committed again on a mint.
• 31:30
  Like if I figured that's called, um, attend a 90/10, 50, forget
• 31:34
  what it's called, the charges got dropped.
• 31:37
  He's released again, under a California law that says that
• 31:40
  you can't hold a mental patient longer than 72 hours.
• 31:45
  Oh okay. That's because it Be used to
• 31:50
  detain people. Unlawful a sometimes.
• 31:52
  Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, Herbert is 23.
• 31:57
  This is where we are right now and to his like to in his
• 32:01
  defense he tries to get his life on track again.
• 32:05
  He applies for readmission to Cabrillo College to study
• 32:07
  psychology this time, but he can't keep up with his
• 32:10
  counseling appointments. He is very mad at his parents.
• 32:15
  He's living with them again and he blames them for.
• 32:18
  The fact that he has a mental illness, he changes his life
• 32:21
  insurance policy, so that if he dies UNICEF will be his
• 32:24
  beneficiary, he gets a job driving trucks for Goodwill.
• 32:29
  Has a couple of you know, affairs with other people,
• 32:32
  during the winter of 1970 1971. He starts changing himself,
• 32:36
  physically. He shaves his head goes on a
• 32:40
  macrobiotic diet loses. A bunch of weight begins wearing
• 32:43
  a big black sombrero and speaking in a fake Mexican
• 32:46
  accent. Okay, yeah, it's weird.
• 32:52
  March 1971. He spends 10 days in jail for
• 32:56
  public intoxication and resisting arrest.
• 32:59
  They dismiss his public drug charge.
• 33:02
  April, 1971, the hospital decides to close the case and
• 33:07
  Santa Cruz because he just hasn't shown up for any
• 33:09
  appointments in about a year in. May, he moves to San Francisco
• 33:14
  into a crappy apartment full of Alcoholics, drug addicts, and
• 33:18
  people who are also mentally ill?
• 33:20
  Okay, yeah, the people you're not supposed to be, you should
• 33:22
  not be around right now and he makes a friend.
• 33:26
  Yes. Can't sit still the people you
• 33:29
  should not be around right now. He and Alan Bond over
• 33:33
  reincarnation and they begin discussing that the voices that
• 33:38
  he's hearing are actually telepathy telling her birth that
• 33:42
  he's been chosen by God to do something very special.
• 33:47
  He also picks up a fascination with leader and DaVinci during
• 33:50
  this time. While studying in the library
• 33:52
  one day, he learns that he was born on the anniversary of
• 33:56
  Albert Einstein's, death and that really solidified for him
• 34:00
  that he was born for greatness. Almost that, maybe.
• 34:05
  He might be The Reincarnation of Albert Einstein.
• 34:09
  All right. Look, me and the rock or Taurus
• 34:12
  is okay. That doesn't that doesn't make
• 34:15
  me think that hey I can go out and be a wrestling Superstar
• 34:18
  now. I mean, he's still alive.
• 34:22
  Yeah, exactly. So what so they weren't
• 34:24
  reincarnated as the wrong? No.
• 34:26
  But I can't lie, I could have he's older than me.
• 34:29
  So, you know, I guess one of his wrestling prowess or something
• 34:32
  like, oh my goodness. So September of 1971.
• 34:37
  Now, 24 years old, he takes a job at the Newman Herman gym and
• 34:42
  gets into amateur boxing know. This actually proves to be a
• 34:46
  good outlet for him and he doesn't get in trouble at All
• 34:51
  it's like a it's like I've had a therapist before and they do say
• 34:55
  like exercise and stuff like that.
• 34:57
  It's really good for your mental health.
• 34:59
  And honestly, any Outlet you have can be really good.
• 35:02
  Absolutely see why? So many people started doing
• 35:04
  creative stuff during covid-19 slap down.
• 35:07
  We'll just like doing sports. I mean, like I started making
• 35:12
  things out of plastic and resin and stuff like that, and And I
• 35:18
  use my outlet to skate in. Yeah.
• 35:22
  Hey people my shoulders. Oh yeah.
• 35:26
  Yeah. I mean this is all really good
• 35:27
  like it, having an outlet at all for you to express yourself is
• 35:30
  really great. You know he's doing so well that
• 35:33
  in March of 1972, they give him a permit to box in a Golden
• 35:38
  Gloves competition. Oh nice, you know, better good.
• 35:44
  You know, I know where it's going but well unfortunately, he
• 35:49
  doesn't get to compete in that competition because while he's
• 35:52
  like sparring and practicing, he won't stop attacking the other
• 35:57
  person and trainers. Like don't want to work with
• 36:00
  him. So essentially, he's having
• 36:07
  impulse control issues. Yeah.
• 36:09
  But so still like he's practicing and like fighting
• 36:12
  with somebody else. Yeah.
• 36:13
  And so you know, when they say like stop and they say, like
• 36:16
  give the other person a break or call it off?
• 36:18
  He won't stop. He's going, he keeps keeps
• 36:21
  hitting that. Okay.
• 36:22
  Okay. Okay.
• 36:23
  I just got confused by bringing such shut down for a second.
• 36:27
  So it's September 1972. He moves back in with his
• 36:30
  parents gets a job as a busboy in a restaurant and he stopped
• 36:33
  taking his medication. Occasionally again, he almost
• 36:35
  had a he had a almost a good year.
• 36:39
  This time, he starts to fixate on new things.
• 36:41
  He's real mad at his dad and he says the voices were telling him
• 36:45
  to kill his father publicly. A large earthquake is predicted
• 36:48
  to hit California, that might cause Mass casualties.
• 36:52
  And this is another detail that is something else he becomes
• 36:55
  fixated on. He later says that he'd been
• 36:58
  receiving telepathic messages from his father.
• 37:01
  The tell him to kill someone. So, October 13, 1972.
• 37:08
  He does. He's driving and he passes a
• 37:14
  transient man. Lawrence white walking alone on
• 37:18
  this Winding Road in Santa Cruz. He stops his car had of him and
• 37:22
  pretends to have car troubles and when Lawrence stops to help
• 37:25
  Herbert, he beat him to death with a baseball bat in his car
• 37:29
  and leaves the body on the side of the road.
• 37:30
  Oh wow. Yeah.
• 37:33
  So he was out that night that night was just went like, I
• 37:38
  guess you couldn't say, you wouldn't say it was like
• 37:40
  premeditated. Hate it but he did plan on
• 37:42
  killing someone that night. This will be your line of
• 37:46
  thinking where you're going right now is going to become
• 37:47
  very important when we get to trial, okay?
• 37:50
  But first, we have to talk about the murders.
• 37:54
  October 24th 1972. Only a couple weeks later.
• 37:57
  He picks up a woman named Mary gilfoyle.
• 38:00
  She also, she went to Cabrillo College and she was running late
• 38:03
  for an interview. He offers her a ride, stabbed
• 38:06
  her in the chest, and the back drives to a field cuts, open her
• 38:11
  body, and spreads her insides all along the hillside.
• 38:18
  Okay? Yep.
• 38:21
  It's a new take, on The Hills, Have Eyes.
• 38:22
  She The hills have energy since she wouldn't be found for
• 38:27
  another four months. Oh goodness, November 2nd, 1972.
• 38:32
  All Souls day, Herbert goes to st.
• 38:34
  Mary's Catholic Church and confesses his previous two
• 38:38
  murders. He's in the little confessional
• 38:42
  booth and he thinks he's alone. So, at some point he realizes
• 38:48
  that there's a priest in one of the booths.
• 38:50
  Yeah. And he starts trying to lick it.
• 38:54
  And the guys, you know, now does this man is Father, Henry to me
• 38:57
  to me to my is t0 Mei, I feel bad, father, Henry, tell me.
• 39:05
  Because Herbert freaks out and starts trying to stab father,
• 39:11
  Henry a church parishioner actually walks in on the attack,
• 39:15
  screams and runs away. And calls the cops.
• 39:18
  Oh, she did get a glimpse of him, but she described him as a
• 39:21
  blur of black and blood. This is the first murder that
• 39:27
  the community is really aware of wait.
• 39:28
  So he got he killed the father. Yeah he brutally stabbed.
• 39:33
  Father Henry and runs away. Oh man.
• 39:38
  So, see the thing is The Drifter had been an elderly man and a
• 39:41
  drunk with really no family, but the priest was a member of
• 39:45
  community. He was a World War Two veteran,
• 39:48
  religious. People were like, is this like
• 39:50
  an attack from a Satanist cult, the police even went to the
• 39:54
  funeral hoping to see if the killer would, you know, show up
• 40:00
  at the funeral? The typical thing that they do.
• 40:02
  Uh-huh, only problem is Herbert is not killing like a typical
• 40:06
  killer at this point. Well, it seems like a random
• 40:11
  killing, it's not that odd that Herbert third killing was a
• 40:14
  priest, considering he has a lifetime of rage towards
• 40:17
  organized religion, based around his sexual identity, which is so
• 40:21
  interesting that I chose to write about this this week.
• 40:24
  When there is a song that just came out from a musician,
• 40:30
  discussing the same thing or more.
• 40:33
  So the music video discusses. Yeah, that feels Of being told
• 40:39
  by the church or the Christian church, that you're going to go
• 40:45
  to hell for being the way that you are.
• 40:49
  Yeah. And so, for a little nozick's,
• 40:52
  apparently it came out in the desire to give the devil a lap
• 40:55
  dance, Herbert Mullin, decided to stab a priest to death.
• 40:59
  I feel like one of the two of them came up with a much more
• 41:02
  creative and healthy Outlet. Good job Herbert.
• 41:06
  No. In top Herbert.
• 41:09
  Good job. Montero.
• 41:11
  Oh kidding. I haven't seen the video yet
• 41:13
  though you should. It's actually got a lot of depth
• 41:16
  to it. People are really freaking out
• 41:18
  over the like two screen shots of him.
• 41:20
  You know, busted It Wide Open with the devil.
• 41:21
  Oh no. But there's a lot of other
• 41:23
  subtext. That's quite lovely.
• 41:25
  Him being seduced by the serpent in the Garden of Eden.
• 41:29
  Hmm, who is himself? Wait, he's by himself.
• 41:33
  Yes, listen is covid. You can't be hired other people
• 41:36
  to being in music videos. I didn't mean like that element.
• 41:40
  I don't was like some type of elderly I don't think with that,
• 41:42
  I think so but he's Adam and he's being seduced by a serpent.
• 41:46
  Okay. See you try to blame me for
• 41:49
  everything. See not in this case but yeah so
• 41:53
  it's not too crazy that Herbert Mullin is against organized
• 41:56
  religion. The interesting thing though, is
• 41:59
  that whenever he would rebel against religion he would also
• 42:02
  flip flop like really aggressively the extreme so then
• 42:06
  like after he would go through these phases.
• 42:08
  Has of like earlier I hate Christianity.
• 42:10
  I hate my parents then he would like walk around carrying a
• 42:13
  Bible and talking about how he was going to join the
• 42:15
  priesthood. Oh God, he was very much
• 42:18
  flipping like and see. That's why I don't doubt the
• 42:21
  when they said this gives the affective disorder, potentially
• 42:25
  a little bit of bipolar disorder, his, he got real high
• 42:27
  highs and real low lows. Yeah.
• 42:29
  But that's like, that's like a change of character raise
• 42:32
  theirs. Absolutely.
• 42:34
  Okay. During this time though, the
• 42:36
  voices change for Herbert, he told the police that he was
• 42:40
  being told by Albert Einstein, that he was the designated
• 42:44
  leader and that now his victims were giving him permission to
• 42:49
  kill them as a sacrifice to save California.
• 42:52
  The leader of what you would seemingly.
• 42:56
  He says the words designated leader.
• 43:02
  Okay, okay. After killing the priest, it
• 43:05
  seemed to have clicked for him. The real source of his anger,
• 43:08
  his Evangelical parents specifically his father November
• 43:11
  1970. So, it's weird though member, I
• 43:13
  told you he's flipping back and forth, and right?
• 43:15
  His dad was in the military. So, on one hand, he's like, my
• 43:18
  dad's, the military you were this, like, you told me all
• 43:21
  these horrible things you did in the war.
• 43:23
  But then November 1972. He tries to join the Coast
• 43:25
  Guard. To almost, it seems like get his
• 43:29
  father's approval. Do you think that like him?
• 43:34
  Killing a priest was like him? Killing his dad in a way?
• 43:38
  We'll see. There's a lot of questions about
• 43:42
  his his mode. I'm sorry.
• 43:43
  No, it's okay. Was that he tried to join the
• 43:46
  Coast Guard, but he failed the psychological evaluation of
• 43:48
  course which put him in laps him into another bit of paranoia
• 43:52
  about his father, conspiring against him.
• 43:55
  But the hippies in the war resisters were to blame I'm they
• 43:57
  brainwashed him into giving him drugs and destroyed his mind.
• 44:03
  This time. However, he decided he was going
• 44:07
  to kill people who ruined his life.
• 44:10
  There's a gap that happens in The Killing here.
• 44:12
  But I'm, I'll explain it to you later because it's really more
• 44:14
  important in the trial, in December.
• 44:17
  He buys a gun. This is 72 that after reading
• 44:20
  the book Einstein on peace, he tells the police that he need
• 44:24
  the gun, because he was one-third Scandinavian.
• 44:27
  And in the book, every adult male in Switzerland, was in a
• 44:30
  militia and had to keep a gun for protection.
• 44:32
  So he's like, I'm Scandinavian eyes.
• 44:34
  I should have a gun too. Okay, this Jamie 15 1973, he
• 44:39
  manages to pass the physical and mental exams, to join the Marine
• 44:43
  Corps also not awesome. How in the world, did he pass
• 44:49
  the psych eval? Whose it was?
• 44:52
  Yeah. I have no idea.
• 44:57
  Those are some crazy guys out there here's what?
• 44:59
  Yeah, that's my first thought, when I saw I was like wait a
• 45:02
  second. He pass But he messes it up for
• 45:06
  himself. So, in the last phase of
• 45:10
  whenever you work for the government, which happened for
• 45:12
  me, when I work for the government, you have to give
• 45:14
  them permission to do it very extensive background check and
• 45:18
  Herbert refused to sign the documents, giving them
• 45:21
  permission to seize criminal records.
• 45:23
  He insisted it wasn't important. And that the charges should have
• 45:25
  been dropped. So because he wouldn't comply
• 45:29
  with this final step. He was dismissed from the
• 45:30
  process. Yeah.
• 45:32
  I'm trying to just remember his everything I remember, he got,
• 45:36
  what do you got arrested for? It was moving, his public
• 45:38
  drunkenness and refusing. Also any time he got arrested,
• 45:42
  even if the charges were dismissed, those would be on his
• 45:44
  record. Okay, yeah.
• 45:45
  But I'm just saying, like, they weren't that bad.
• 45:50
  I agree with you, but in his head, they were.
• 45:53
  Yeah. So January 19th 1973, Herbert's
• 45:58
  dad tells him again, you need to go, so he moves into another
• 46:01
  crappy apartment. His parents were kind of tired
• 46:04
  of them, him constantly, criticizing them, and
• 46:07
  criticizing them as parents. He was like, listen, I'm going
• 46:12
  to try and get into the army, and he started applying for a
• 46:15
  number of jobs. So, Remember, I told you that he
• 46:20
  was fixated on the people who ruined his life.
• 46:24
  After about two point, five months of jeweling on a man by
• 46:28
  the name of James G and era. He decides he's going to kill
• 46:32
  him. So in Herbert's mind, James
• 46:35
  represented, everything that had messed up his life.
• 46:38
  James gave him the drugs that messed up his head, James had
• 46:42
  told him about the peace movement which made society shun
• 46:44
  him. He even said that James had
• 46:47
  tricked him into buying land. And I'm like, how is that a
• 46:51
  trick? That's a solid investment is
• 46:53
  harassment. Doesn't matter what you put.
• 46:55
  There's a haze. I wasn't making money.
• 46:58
  That regardless, January 25th, 1973, he decides, I'm doing it.
• 47:04
  He goes to James's old house and a woman named Kathy Francis
• 47:07
  lives there. Now, with her kids and her
• 47:09
  husband, her husband was actually a drug dealer.
• 47:11
  So that's how he and James knew each other, who was out in
• 47:15
  Berkeley probably selling drugs of college kids because That
• 47:19
  happens. There she tells him.
• 47:22
  Hey, well, Jim and his wife moved to the other side of town
• 47:25
  and gives him the address thinking that maybe Herbert was
• 47:28
  like, a drug to faction, or it was something, you know, solid,
• 47:31
  right Herbert drives to Jim's new house.
• 47:33
  He gets let him with no issue because James remembers him
• 47:38
  Herbert, however, is not okay and he shoots him downstairs.
• 47:43
  James, drags himself upstairs, trying to get to his wife, who
• 47:47
  was taking a bath, He shoots both of them in the head stabs
• 47:51
  them repeatedly. I couldn't get an exact tally
• 47:55
  when I was looking up articles, just the word Overkill?
• 48:02
  Okay, repeat it. So the two of them would be
• 48:05
  found later that day. When Jim's wife Joan her, the
• 48:10
  grandmother her mother returned after babysitting, their infant
• 48:13
  daughter. I know.
• 48:17
  Then he drives back to Kathy francis's house and kills her
• 48:20
  and her two children, David, and Damon who were four and nine
• 48:23
  years old. Why?
• 48:24
  Because they knew they didn't know nothing where they were.
• 48:28
  They saw him. So, what everybody saw you that
• 48:32
  day, Well, this is five people in one day.
• 48:38
  Yeah. So the community freaks out but
• 48:42
  the police spin this, as what they call a drug burn because
• 48:46
  both Bob Francis and Jim G and arrow were known drug dealers.
• 48:50
  Bob is cleared as a suspect and gives the police a long list of
• 48:54
  potential enemies of both, he and Jim to the cops, but of
• 48:58
  course, Herbert isn't on the list because the last time Jim
• 49:01
  had even seen Herbert had been the summer Of 1971 when Herbert
• 49:05
  did 10 tabs of acid, I don't know what that is.
• 49:10
  I have to explain this to people who don't necessarily understand
• 49:14
  drugs Let me turn them. One tab of acid is how much like
• 49:23
  regular people might take like anywhere from a half to like to
• 49:29
  So for a tall skinny man to take 10 is an exorbitant amount of
• 49:34
  drugs that's like mean I'd be gone for like honestly I have a
• 49:40
  friend who casually does acid and my friend has told me it's
• 49:45
  not even worth it to do that much because at some point your
• 49:48
  brain just goes, no, we cannot process any more drugs.
• 49:55
  So like I don't know if things were different 50 years ago.
• 49:58
  So, in terms of what these drugs did, but they probably were a
• 50:02
  little more dangerous back then as was probably great.
• 50:05
  That's what I'm saying. So it probably was way more
• 50:08
  extreme than even. What is on the market?
• 50:10
  Now, I just can't even fathom the idea.
• 50:14
  Like, I'm trying to think of this, in a way that people would
• 50:16
  understand. Like, imagine you went, you know
• 50:19
  what? I'm gonna do today.
• 50:21
  Drink five bottles of vodka in one sitting.
• 50:25
  Like, I'm going to die. That's the thing.
• 50:28
  You Died from Acid, but you can have a horrible time.
• 50:32
  You could do things, that would make you die.
• 50:36
  You just, you would have what they consider to be a bad trip
• 50:39
  which is just a horrible experience, very bad trip.
• 50:42
  Yeah. I've, I mean, I was actually
• 50:44
  great documentary on Netflix or people talk about acid and some
• 50:47
  celebrities have discussed there.
• 50:48
  Like I did it once. I had a horrible time and I
• 50:50
  never touched it again. Like, that's how bad a bad trip
• 50:53
  is because you're locked into it for 8 to 12 hours.
• 50:57
  Oh, just having a horrible time. Oh, that's terrible.
• 51:01
  Exactly why you want to be an apparently, a good mood and mad
• 51:08
  but I don't think Herbert Mullin was ever in a good mood.
• 51:10
  Looks like he's he was just always having a bad time
• 51:14
  constantly and that bad state of mind.
• 51:16
  He's not taking the drugs for the funsies, he's
• 51:19
  self-medicating. So I can only imagine if you're
• 51:23
  in this terrible mental state and you're like, I'm going to
• 51:25
  take this hallucinogenic drug That only intensifies, my
• 51:30
  feelings. And my experience with the world
• 51:34
  around me. He's already delusional.
• 51:35
  He doesn't need to see more delusions.
• 51:40
  I just Like I'm not a big fan of saying like drugs ruined
• 51:45
  someone's mind but they very well may have with the amount of
• 51:49
  drugs. He was abusing.
• 51:51
  Let me give you abused it. Yes of course.
• 51:53
  But you know if you're just casually taking it's different.
• 51:58
  Oh yeah. So I thought that was surprised.
• 52:00
  I was like 10 tabs, good lordy. That's a lot of drugs.
• 52:06
  I also want to make a note here. Do you when I say Santa Cruz is
• 52:11
  that mean anything to you? You Santa Cruz, Santa Cruz,
• 52:14
  California. It, I know it.
• 52:17
  You do? You should know it?
• 52:18
  Yeah. Because for a good like decade
• 52:21
  people were calling it. The murder capital of America.
• 52:24
  Yeah, I think it was most movies.
• 52:27
  Know there's a really tall serial killer, who used to kill
• 52:32
  their. Oh yeah, at camper.
• 52:36
  In fact, Ed Kemper and Herbert Mill Herbert Mullin were killing
• 52:41
  in. A cruise at the same time so you
• 52:45
  got. You got it.
• 52:46
  Mister, I want to make skin suits out of people.
• 52:49
  No, that's Ed Gein. Okay, you got any a, The Co-Ed
• 52:53
  Killer? Okay.
• 52:55
  He's the guy who was killing college girls and cut their
• 52:58
  heads off. That he killed his mom and cut
• 53:01
  her head off. And look, I can't keep track of
• 53:03
  these guys. The eagle would explain egg
• 53:05
  campers that he's like almost seven feet tall.
• 53:08
  Okay? He's massive, dude, toe boy and
• 53:11
  he Decided while he was in prison and he just doesn't want
• 53:14
  to leave prison, even though they keep offering him parole,
• 53:17
  he's like nah, I'm good. Yeah, I don't like, you know, he
• 53:19
  realizes that he does not know how to function in society, make
• 53:24
  sense, but Also, during this time there's another man named
• 53:30
  John Lilly Frazier, who killed a family, his whole family.
• 53:34
  This time the owner family and their secretary female
• 53:37
  hitchhikers begin disappearing, in April of 1972.
• 53:41
  And there found decapitated Alice, Lou and Roslyn Thorpe go
• 53:46
  messing a 79 year. Old woman is found raped and
• 53:49
  murdered in her bathtub. They find the skeletal remains
• 53:52
  of Mary Guilfoyle the woman that Mullen killed February 11th
• 53:56
  1973. They also find the remains of
• 53:58
  Cynthia Shaw and Marianne pasch both of their heads in the Loma
• 54:03
  Prieta Mountain gun sales, rise rapidly.
• 54:07
  Yeah, you gotta protect yourselves.
• 54:09
  The police don't know if this is Cole killings one, serial killer
• 54:13
  Seven Seas. Like this is one time where I am
• 54:16
  going to give the police a break.
• 54:19
  Santa Cruz is a pretty small town, think of where you.
• 54:22
  And I live about this kind of metropolis about 100,000 people.
• 54:28
  And between 1970 and 1973. Like even the district attorney
• 54:32
  just went This is murder Ville USA and the people like the
• 54:37
  papers called it, you know, is this a sleepy Beach town?
• 54:40
  Santa Cruz is nice little Beach town and they call it.
• 54:43
  The murder capital of the u.s. for about those three years.
• 54:48
  So just after finding Mario, foils Remains, the police, find
• 54:53
  another pretty terrible scene for teenage boys, shot in their
• 54:58
  tent, in the middle of the woods and Henry Cal State Park.
• 55:02
  They were Brian Scott Card, David all occur, Robert Spector,
• 55:06
  and Mark dreibelbis. They had built a temporary
• 55:09
  shelter out of sheets and spare wood, the plastic sheets Herbert
• 55:14
  Mullin, discovered them on February 10th. 1973 the boys
• 55:18
  initially invited him into the shelter, but Herbert was kind of
• 55:21
  pissed because a park ranger had kicked him out while he was
• 55:26
  trying to do the same thing, which was sleep in the park
• 55:31
  Herbert like, tries to like square off and seem like a scary
• 55:36
  guy and tells them to leave and their Facing public property.
• 55:40
  And as teen boys are likely to do.
• 55:42
  They laughed at him? I would They were discovered a
• 55:47
  week later when one of the victims Brothers went looking
• 55:49
  for them, I would have been discovered a week later to the
• 55:54
  scene was pretty gruesome, like one of the boys were shot while
• 55:56
  trying to gather plastic tent. He pretty much heard it.
• 55:59
  Pick them off. One by one, use the all their
• 56:01
  own rifle. That they had brought with him
• 56:03
  into the woods and taking about $20 off of their body.
• 56:06
  So well. So, so he just wanted payback
• 56:10
  for being totally mad. Yeah, he was was a, he's being
• 56:15
  petty. You at this point?
• 56:17
  Yeah. So, police decided after mariga,
• 56:23
  foils body was found to try and like, warn the living of Santa
• 56:26
  Cruz. Like, hey, maybe you should stop
• 56:27
  hitchhiking because like, we don't really know what to do
• 56:30
  here. Like you keep getting into cars
• 56:32
  with strangers and y'all are getting sexually assaulted and
• 56:35
  murdered. So they just assumed that Mary
• 56:38
  was another one of those victims died to whoever was doing that.
• 56:43
  No. It February 13. 1973 Herbert's
• 56:49
  driving sees a man named Fred Perez working in his garden.
• 56:53
  He pulls into the man's driver. Gets out shoots him in the chest
• 56:57
  before he can even see if Perez is Dad.
• 56:59
  He drives off. Just drives off.
• 57:02
  Was he dead? Yeah, he deaf he dies.
• 57:04
  Oh okay Fred's neighbor. Joan stick narrow.
• 57:08
  Writes down. The license plate number and
• 57:09
  calls the police nice. There you go.
• 57:12
  He's pulled over and arrested that day.
• 57:16
  He's silent. He doesn't resist.
• 57:19
  But things do get bizarre once he's in custody during the
• 57:22
  police investigation like interrogation, he only answers
• 57:26
  the police by yelling silence. And he keeps insisting, like, he
• 57:32
  stopped a disaster. It didn't help that just after
• 57:36
  he was arrested, eight days later, Southern California was
• 57:40
  hit by a five point, eight magnitude earthquake and point
• 57:43
  mag you that cost the area over a million dollars in Damages.
• 57:47
  Sir, what does that answer? Did you stop?
• 57:50
  Well, he's saying, had you not stopped me?
• 57:53
  This wouldn't have happened. My man.
• 57:55
  How many people did you already? Kill your a sacrifice eat enough
• 57:58
  for the Gods. Okay.
• 58:04
  Eventually he opens up his the police about the voices that his
• 58:08
  father's voice originally ordered him to kill how he
• 58:10
  gained telepathic permission to murder the for teenage boys
• 58:15
  while in jail. He constantly Rants and Raves
• 58:17
  and writes down bizarre theories.
• 58:19
  Side note, at one point, he was in jail with Ed Kemper and
• 58:24
  temper said that. He used to, just start singing
• 58:27
  and one tonight. He threw water on Herbert and
• 58:33
  her route. Stop singing, he And then I gave
• 58:35
  him peanuts and he said, Herbert really liked peanuts.
• 58:38
  Oh my God, boy. It's so then he goes after that
• 58:42
  he would ask for permission to sing and then, so at, Edward
• 58:46
  camper goes and that's psychological conditioning.
• 58:48
  Oh my God. He's not wrong.
• 58:51
  But also whoa. Oh my God.
• 58:58
  The day after they pick up Herbert, they searched his
• 59:01
  apartment. They find a Bible and address
• 59:03
  book. With Jian dnr's, address listed
• 59:07
  newspaper articles about some of his other murders and a Rosary
• 59:10
  pouch that had belonged to Father Henry he took a little
• 59:13
  trophy. They also find the following
• 59:15
  note, let it be known to the nations of Earth and the people
• 59:18
  that inhabit it this document carries more power than any
• 59:21
  other written before such a tragedy that as what has
• 59:25
  happened, should not have happened.
• 59:27
  And because of this action, which I take of my own free
• 59:29
  will, I am making it possible to occur again.
• 59:32
  For while I can be here, I must guide and Hacked by Dynasty.
• 59:36
  And if that doesn't make sense to you, I agree.
• 59:38
  It didn't make sense to me either.
• 59:41
  A lot of what Herbert moans says, doesn't make sense.
• 59:44
  He, they almost didn't believe that Herbert was acting alone
• 59:48
  because while he was in prison, they keep finding more bodies.
• 59:53
  Well, yeah, they're all here were killing.
• 59:55
  Yeah, exactly. They tried to tie a bunch of the
• 59:58
  unsolved murders to Mullen but they compared marigot foias.
• 1:00:02
  Go foils remains to the other women and determined that
• 1:00:05
  whoever had decapitated The Other Women, The Hitchhiker's
• 1:00:09
  had a level of skill. Will that Herbert did not.
• 1:00:13
  Hmm. If we were watching Criminal
• 1:00:15
  Minds and be like, you know, they're going, oh, this guy must
• 1:00:17
  be a surgeon. Apparently, like whoever that
• 1:00:19
  person was who decapitated them, did it like someone who knew
• 1:00:22
  what they were doing. Trusting the Mullen murders were
• 1:00:25
  not anatomically precise. So March 1st 1973, he gets
• 1:00:30
  charged with 10 counts of murder.
• 1:00:33
  They originally don't charge him with white Gulf oil and two may
• 1:00:38
  he walks into the court carrying a stack of legal books and
• 1:00:43
  attempts to plead guilty to all of them.
• 1:00:45
  But the judge is like, no you can't do that.
• 1:00:49
  Cuz I don't think you are legally competent to represent
• 1:00:52
  yourself. You're definitely not sir.
• 1:00:55
  They do think he is sane enough to be tried.
• 1:00:58
  Mmm, And fun fact, the lawyer who ends up defending Herbert
• 1:01:04
  Mullin. James Jackson also defended
• 1:01:06
  Edward Kemp and camper and Frasier.
• 1:01:09
  Oh, so you got everybody in jail.
• 1:01:11
  He was just doing all of I have a right on Mike, you got them
• 1:01:14
  all. Put in prison.
• 1:01:15
  Was this one purpose? Yes, good job guys.
• 1:01:17
  Good job. Along with giving him Council,
• 1:01:19
  although Herbert refused it multiple times.
• 1:01:22
  They also got him evaluated by multiple doctors and everyone
• 1:01:26
  agrees. He's definitely a paranoid
• 1:01:28
  schizophrenic and that he'd killed At least 10 people so
• 1:01:32
  they set the trial for July 1973 and it starts on July 30th.
• 1:01:38
  This trial was less about the murder like that, he committed
• 1:01:42
  murdered and more about if he was sane enough to be held
• 1:01:46
  responsible for his crimes. Hmm.
• 1:01:50
  The prosecution was hinging their side on the fact that he'd
• 1:01:55
  hidden, the crime, covered his tracks and they consider those
• 1:02:00
  to be signs of premeditation the defense pulled out.
• 1:02:03
  His extensive lasted list of visits to mental, health
• 1:02:06
  clinics, and diagnosis. His lawyer.
• 1:02:09
  Read some of her Birds more bizarre.
• 1:02:11
  Writings, I almost don't even want to read this.
• 1:02:13
  It's so weird. Now you got to read it.
• 1:02:19
  Okay, I believe that my father has unequal has been unequally
• 1:02:23
  blamed for my failures, but surely if he had given me the
• 1:02:26
  six-year-old homosexual, blowjob oral stimulation that I was
• 1:02:29
  entitled to, like most other people get, I would have never
• 1:02:33
  taken the LSD without his permission.
• 1:02:37
  I'm so glad I didn't have a dad. No, Yes, that was one of his
• 1:02:46
  more bizarre theories that his family conspired to hide
• 1:02:51
  bisexuality from him, and that he should have been able to
• 1:02:54
  experience orgasms courtesy of his family at the age of six.
• 1:03:00
  That's okay. Hmm.
• 1:03:02
  No, thank you. Yep.
• 1:03:03
  Now, Herbert even took the stand in his trial to explain himself
• 1:03:08
  and that ended up being a bad idea.
• 1:03:09
  But at first it seemed like maybe the defense Had something
• 1:03:13
  going here. He brought a pile of his own
• 1:03:15
  notes to the witness box, he rocked back and forth.
• 1:03:17
  He blamed his friends, his family his teachers because they
• 1:03:21
  all wanted him to stop becoming too powerful in the afterlife.
• 1:03:24
  Once he would be reincarnated, he told them that because
• 1:03:27
  Einstein had done his birthday but he was the designated leader
• 1:03:30
  of his generation and that his birthday gave him a dominant
• 1:03:33
  position in reincarnation direct quote here.
• 1:03:38
  This is a one-man consenting to be murdered protects the
• 1:03:41
  millions of other Human beings living in the cataclysmic,
• 1:03:44
  earthquake title area. For this reason, the designated
• 1:03:48
  hero and Associates have the responsibility of getting enough
• 1:03:51
  people to commit suicide, and, or consent to being murdered
• 1:03:54
  every day. So it's not just that he was
• 1:03:57
  demanding a sacrifice. This needs to be a consistent
• 1:04:00
  sacrifice every day. Yes, which he didn't do, but
• 1:04:04
  that's beside the point. Herbert told them, he didn't
• 1:04:09
  think much of his victims just that he'd been reacting, he
• 1:04:12
  blamed his father, and then he asked for his father to be
• 1:04:15
  removed from the court. So he wouldn't have to look at
• 1:04:17
  him. Oh, wow.
• 1:04:19
  The judge was, like, you can't actually request that but
• 1:04:23
  ultimately, his dad did leave because he was probably having a
• 1:04:25
  terrible time. Yeah, I would.
• 1:04:28
  Yeah, I believe to he also blamed the Santa Cruz Police for
• 1:04:31
  not keeping him in jail. After he'd been arrested for
• 1:04:33
  possession saying, I never would have killed anyone if they Put
• 1:04:37
  me in jail if they don't punish you for breaking the law.
• 1:04:39
  What were they even doing waiting until I broke a bigger
• 1:04:42
  loss, so they could put me in prison for the rest of my life
• 1:04:44
  Rah. Come on.
• 1:04:46
  It would seem that. At this point, he's doing a
• 1:04:48
  really good job at proving that he is insane, but then the
• 1:04:52
  prosecution got to cross-examine him and he admitted on the stand
• 1:04:57
  that he was capable of ignoring the commands that he was getting
• 1:05:01
  telepathically from his father because he had ignored the
• 1:05:05
  command to kill and destroy. A of 1972.
• 1:05:09
  That was a time period that I told you that there was a gap in
• 1:05:12
  the murders, that's the longest Gap in all of his crimes.
• 1:05:16
  He said, he'd heard his father, tell him to kill his uncle Enos,
• 1:05:20
  and he had asked the voice for a different victim.
• 1:05:24
  So, the prosecution was like, well, you say, you're afraid of
• 1:05:27
  these voices, but you were able to barter with them.
• 1:05:30
  Mhm, exactly. Even said on the stand, I just
• 1:05:33
  didn't want to kill anymore. I didn't think it was right.
• 1:05:36
  That sentence I think was the real Clincher for the
• 1:05:39
  prosecution because he had just admitted on the stand that he
• 1:05:42
  knew right from wrong. Yep, he was not a robot.
• 1:05:46
  Sure his father's thumb as he'd been claiming.
• 1:05:50
  He also told the court. He'd murdered Joan Giancarlo
• 1:05:54
  because she was a witness and I didn't want to be punished. -
• 1:05:58
  that was the wife who was in the bathtub.
• 1:05:59
  Yeah, she wasn't even doing nothing.
• 1:06:01
  She'd my that even heard nothing could have had to water on.
• 1:06:04
  I don't even know. So then the court-appointed
• 1:06:06
  psychiatrists started talking and I'll none of them believed
• 1:06:13
  any of the stuff that Herbert Mullin was saying, was his Hmm.
• 1:06:17
  So he was like, I think the earthquake theory is something
• 1:06:19
  that Herbert came up with later. After he'd already started
• 1:06:22
  killing his motivation for killing Janeiro was because he
• 1:06:26
  blamed Genera forgetting him into drugs.
• 1:06:28
  Yep, and Joan Kathy. Damon and David were just
• 1:06:31
  Witnesses. He killed the campers because he
• 1:06:33
  thought they were hippies and he developed a hatred of hippies
• 1:06:37
  after he had abused drugs. So much.
• 1:06:40
  So he was saying, hippies do drugs, so it's their fault now.
• 1:06:46
  Okay, another psychiatrist of who evaded.
• 1:06:49
  Him said that he blamed drugs for ruining his life and that's
• 1:06:53
  why he took revenge on James in a weird kind of split though, A
• 1:06:56
  Man by the name of dr. Charles Morris testified, he
• 1:06:59
  believed that Herbert was insane when he had killed the random
• 1:07:04
  people when he just picked up the woman and the man and that
• 1:07:12
  he is just displaying rationalizations about his other
• 1:07:16
  murders. Like he had stopped taking drugs
• 1:07:20
  to join the Marines and when he didn't get in, he killed out of
• 1:07:23
  anger dr. Morris also testified that
• 1:07:26
  Herbert had killed the last man, he felt like, in order for him
• 1:07:30
  to just get caught because he was getting tired.
• 1:07:33
  The doctor also, explore did say that he could have been high
• 1:07:36
  while committing some of these murders.
• 1:07:39
  But that he thought that the telepathic permission thing.
• 1:07:41
  Also, just a rationalization Herbert had created in his mind
• 1:07:45
  as an afterthought. And he wasn't surprised by
• 1:07:48
  Mullins, Cosmic sacrifice Theory, or excuse, as he called
• 1:07:53
  it, because he's an individual with a high mental capacity and
• 1:07:57
  an interest in the occult psychology and philosophy.
• 1:08:01
  It was plain to see from everyone and Herbert was
• 1:08:04
  severely, mentally ill, mentally ill.
• 1:08:07
  But the thing is to be declared legally insane.
• 1:08:09
  The defense has to prove that the defendant did not no, what
• 1:08:12
  was right or wrong at the time of the killings.
• 1:08:14
  And that he had a diminished capacity, which is that he
• 1:08:17
  didn't understand the meaning of his actions while he was doing
• 1:08:21
  them. The jury were informed by the
• 1:08:24
  defense that motive didn't mean a lot in this case because
• 1:08:28
  motives are ambiguous, which is talked about a way to fit it,
• 1:08:32
  like a lawyer. Oh my God.
• 1:08:34
  However, the prosecution responded to that in their
• 1:08:37
  closing statement and said, just because two plus two equals
• 1:08:40
  seven in his mind. That mean that mr.
• 1:08:42
  Mullin is not responsible for his actions.
• 1:08:45
  The defense asked the jury to consider the fact that Mullen
• 1:08:47
  kills people because he has to, but he doesn't know why.
• 1:08:51
  I suggest that a person who killed 13 people and doesn't
• 1:08:53
  know why is mad the prosecution said.
• 1:08:56
  There's no question. He's mentally ill, seriously,
• 1:08:59
  mentally ill, but that doesn't mean he's legally insane.
• 1:09:02
  He hid the crimes and even ground off the serial numbers on
• 1:09:05
  his gun. Oh yeah, he knew it is doing.
• 1:09:07
  Okay, a jury of six men and Six Women delivery it for 14 hours.
• 1:09:11
  And found Mullen sane and guilty August 19th 1973.
• 1:09:17
  He received a first degree murder charge for Kathy Francis
• 1:09:20
  and James G and era. The rest were considered
• 1:09:23
  impulsive kills and it was second-degree murder leader on.
• 1:09:28
  They did a separate case for dr. Not doctor father Henry tonight
• 1:09:37
  to me and at that point Herbert just Like I'm just added onto
• 1:09:43
  the pile of other things that this K Mullins defense.
• 1:09:48
  Attorney actually was quoted. As saying, like the jury is just
• 1:09:52
  as insane as melon is, they were afraid.
• 1:09:55
  He'd get out and kill somebody, which is not an illogical
• 1:09:58
  consideration. They didn't want his 14th victim
• 1:10:01
  to be one of them and I'm like, buddy.
• 1:10:05
  Yes, yeah, exactly. He should have been kept in one
• 1:10:09
  of the facilities that he was put.
• 1:10:11
  In several times before, please please, thank you, the
• 1:10:16
  prosecution, however, was kind of disappointed that they only
• 1:10:20
  got two counts of first-degree murder Herbert himself,
• 1:10:24
  actually, just kind of shrugged off the verdict, he was
• 1:10:27
  sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of Parole in
• 1:10:30
  2000 and 2500. He will be in his 80s.
• 1:10:35
  He probably, he has petitioned the court multiple times to be
• 1:10:40
  released and been denied so far. So I honestly don't think it'll
• 1:10:45
  be a good look for him to get paroled.
• 1:10:47
  I don't think he's gonna get paroled in four years, I don't
• 1:10:49
  think so. Either you just in case I mean
• 1:10:53
  he will be 80. He can't do too much damage.
• 1:10:56
  It sounds like from some of the things and I wish I could just
• 1:11:01
  There are so many quotes from interviews from him where he
• 1:11:05
  just says things that make no sense.
• 1:11:09
  Again, I just is very clear that he was completely gone.
• 1:11:15
  And for my sources, which I always like to mention one of
• 1:11:19
  those is called deadly voices. The true story of serial killer
• 1:11:22
  Herbert Mullin by clell, Swinney, The die song, which is
• 1:11:29
  by Lund Donald London Jefferson Morgan that was in 1980 and
• 1:11:35
  murder and Madness. Also by Donald Monde.
• 1:11:39
  And that was it a book for 1975? Both of those last two ones are
• 1:11:42
  out of print. But do you have interesting
• 1:11:43
  details? The die song is a whole other
• 1:11:46
  thing that I don't even discuss, which is just a song, he used to
• 1:11:49
  sing in prison on people that they were going to die.
• 1:11:52
  Oh, that sounds wonderful. It's like I said, he just had a
• 1:11:56
  real. A rough time.
• 1:11:57
  It's just what the situations of like, I don't entirely disagree
• 1:12:01
  with him saying like hey if you would lock me up before I
• 1:12:04
  started killing people, none of this would have happened because
• 1:12:06
  really he brought he should not have been out on his own for as
• 1:12:10
  long as he was, you could have thing about this is that all of
• 1:12:15
  this happened between the time. He was 18 and 26.
• 1:12:18
  Yeah, that's a short less than a decade.
• 1:12:22
  Completely changed his life. Not to say, um, can't you just
• 1:12:27
  say I want to stay in your Institute?
• 1:12:30
  Well, remember the first one. They said that he didn't seem to
• 1:12:34
  be really cooperating with treatment.
• 1:12:36
  That's another facet of this. Okay.
• 1:12:37
  True. You Gotta Be You gotta be
• 1:12:38
  willing to write. You have to really be willing to
• 1:12:43
  do the work to experience any benefit from it.
• 1:12:48
  Okay. Well yeah.
• 1:13:03
  So what do you have to tell us about today?
• 1:13:06
  All right, so this week I had to do a dive deep down into my
• 1:13:12
  collection of paranormal info, nice, yes.
• 1:13:17
  So, since the month of March is over by the time, this episode
• 1:13:22
  will be out. I've moved on to April And since
• 1:13:29
  April is like the month of my birthday, I just figured hey I'm
• 1:13:32
  going to do stuff, I want to do stuff.
• 1:13:35
  I really, really, really like and that's what I'm going to do.
• 1:13:42
  So I'm just gonna let you guys know absolutely.
• 1:13:45
  I do have some, you know, pretty cool books in my collection.
• 1:13:48
  But anyway, While I was like searching, I found an old book
• 1:13:55
  of Greek plays. And yeah, and like to those that
• 1:14:03
  don't search those who know me. I love Greek mythology.
• 1:14:08
  And those who don't know me, I really love Greek mythology.
• 1:14:13
  Oh goodness. All right.
• 1:14:16
  So there was a play that I hadn't read before, it's really
• 1:14:19
  weird. So so this is a story that I'll
• 1:14:24
  be covering today is a like don't worry it has ghosts in it.
• 1:14:29
  Okay and some demons as well. So just sit back, relax and
• 1:14:36
  enjoy because it's about to go down.
• 1:14:38
  Okay? All right. so, the stories about
• 1:14:48
  three, unknown philosophers / Alchemist, and an average, Joe
• 1:14:56
  They all work together. So they go on a journey which
• 1:15:00
  actually may be one of the world's first ghost hunts.
• 1:15:06
  Do they have cool Greek names? I said, unknown, I'd make up
• 1:15:11
  names. I did it for you, boo.
• 1:15:14
  Okay, okay yeah, I like this first go start.
• 1:15:17
  Yes. So this play begins, one of the
• 1:15:21
  Philosopher's will call him. I think I can even was his name
• 1:15:25
  Bank, as he's testing two of the students on the principles of of
• 1:15:34
  what he teaches. So he's obviously flirting with
• 1:15:38
  his feet. Male student.
• 1:15:39
  Well, he's picking on his male student when his partner.
• 1:15:45
  My name is dance. He runs in and tells him that,
• 1:15:49
  you know, his other partner. His name is Ram 'less.
• 1:15:54
  I try, I try to make that worried because I could, I'd
• 1:15:57
  Romulus and Remus. Yes.
• 1:15:59
  Um, so they received word of an apparition appearing at look
• 1:16:05
  like a nearby library. So, so he rushed her because
• 1:16:11
  they may be philosophers, but they're also into Researching
• 1:16:16
  the unknown is this. I mean, the Ghostbusters, first
• 1:16:23
  man, goes to the library to. Is that what it is?
• 1:16:27
  You said I was Library. No, anyway, But you know, they
• 1:16:34
  never seen a ghost. So they rush over there to see
• 1:16:38
  just goes and they actually find it because you know, it's by one
• 1:16:42
  of the bookshelves is like reading and they're like
• 1:16:44
  astonished because they're like It's a, you know, it's a
• 1:16:50
  full-body Apparition, very cool. You can see that.
• 1:16:56
  And I swear to you, they didn't know what to do, so they tried
• 1:16:59
  to fight it but the they got scared off.
• 1:17:04
  So after this happened they got kicked out of their lecture
• 1:17:06
  hall. They told it because their
• 1:17:09
  interests were in a know. So they soon decide, you know,
• 1:17:14
  let's start our own little thing for ourselves and we're going to
• 1:17:19
  offer our services to help people with their paranormal
• 1:17:22
  problems. So you mean become Ghostbusters?
• 1:17:29
  What? What you are?
• 1:17:37
  Not getting the reference here. Know what the hell these three
• 1:17:42
  guys are like, hey, there's a ghost inside of this Library.
• 1:17:46
  They try and fight it. They fail.
• 1:17:49
  They get kicked out of their job at the college.
• 1:17:52
  What is and then they offer their services.
• 1:17:55
  Yo is the whole Ghostbusters movie based off of this is this
• 1:17:59
  Ghostbusters. Hey?
• 1:18:03
  So this is where the Alchemy comes in the craft the
• 1:18:05
  containment you're killing me, right?
• 1:18:10
  No friggin way. They cross the containment unit
• 1:18:12
  of sorts. The cavity Spirits.
• 1:18:14
  This kind goddamn it, the Ghostbusters pretty much stole
• 1:18:25
  their story from a Greek. Let me finish my story, please.
• 1:18:30
  Oh my God. No, I'm just glad you're not
• 1:18:33
  getting it. Okay.
• 1:18:34
  Um, So this is not, you know, going well for them, so everyone
• 1:18:41
  calls them frauds, they're just, you know, they'll laugh in our
• 1:18:44
  faces and like they're out in the streets are advertising
• 1:18:48
  ourselves and finally, a guy comes up to them.
• 1:18:50
  And he's like, he's desperate. So he's like, he's like, are you
• 1:18:54
  guys seriously? Like absolutely.
• 1:18:56
  So yeah, so you can check out his Great Hall that he's holding
• 1:18:59
  a banquet later at night. And there's activity happening
• 1:19:04
  there. So finally, when these guys get
• 1:19:07
  a break it they head over there with their containment unit the
• 1:19:14
  like they're ready to go to war. So everyone sees them as highly
• 1:19:18
  confused yeah they say don't cross the streams so they make
• 1:19:23
  it to the Hawks as you know the Great Hall in these see they
• 1:19:27
  will see anything but they can sense the presence of a spirit.
• 1:19:32
  What is his name is driver? This is smarter is right.
• 1:19:44
  So Bank goes wandering around out the whole way when you feel
• 1:19:47
  the spirit attack him. So even leaves like a trail of
• 1:19:52
  like excrement as it ectoplasmic.
• 1:19:55
  I said excrement as it leaves, it smells horrible, the stamps
• 1:20:01
  and ramble is meet up in there like so excited.
• 1:20:05
  So They're finally able to court.
• 1:20:10
  God damn it. Brittany.
• 1:20:14
  I'm not even doing anything. No, you're not.
• 1:20:17
  So you're finally able to Corner the spirit and in the dining
• 1:20:22
  hall and They throw thoroughly. Destroy it.
• 1:20:28
  Well, we'll try to get the Costa Rica team until they finally get
• 1:20:32
  it in. And let me tell you, they are
• 1:20:35
  flying high right now. The word spreads and more people
• 1:20:39
  start to come to them and even have to hire more help for the
• 1:20:43
  help. Well, thereby, there's a woman
• 1:20:54
  that's experiencing some paranormal activity at home,
• 1:20:57
  like, think of parent that like, the movie role activity.
• 1:21:00
  With all the crazy stuff is happening.
• 1:21:02
  Very demonic. So, so, So she gets these the
• 1:21:10
  three to check out you know and they find nothing but they keep
• 1:21:16
  in the back of their heads you know because it seems like it
• 1:21:20
  may lead to something. Meanwhile, business is moving
• 1:21:25
  and remember the average Joe I mentioned before.
• 1:21:28
  Yeah, he gets hired, you know, next to nothing about what's
• 1:21:32
  going on, but they needed help and he needed work so and and
• 1:21:38
  he's a very devout person. So that kind of works out now
• 1:21:44
  back to this woman. Well, call her Ripley one day.
• 1:21:52
  And her home. She gets attacked by the Demonic
• 1:21:55
  presence and she ends up being possessed by it.
• 1:22:00
  At the same time, her neighbors possesses well, he didn't have
• 1:22:03
  any Paranormal Activity happening, it just popped up one
• 1:22:06
  day and it hit him with a pal. so, Now her neighbor goes out,
• 1:22:14
  running around like a person possessed think it's picked up,
• 1:22:18
  and of course, mmm, picked up a course and instead of like
• 1:22:23
  taking him to like prison or whatever, I guess two stocks are
• 1:22:26
  gel recall that they take up to these guys Banks and his
• 1:22:33
  buddies. And, you know, they quickly
• 1:22:37
  realized. Oh, yeah, this dude is possessed
• 1:22:40
  by a spirit. Could it be soul?
• 1:22:45
  No Zoo does not possess him the GateKeeper.
• 1:22:53
  Gozer. Oh my fucking god. so, His house
• 1:23:05
  is right next to Ripley. So they're like, okay, this is
• 1:23:07
  kind of weird, like a unique name for her.
• 1:23:10
  I know, right? Amazing.
• 1:23:12
  I just feel popped in my head. Oh, pig heads over there anyway
• 1:23:19
  because he's like, he's trying to court Ripley.
• 1:23:21
  So he's like me, he's going, he's going to be her that night
• 1:23:25
  anyway. So She tries to assault him as
• 1:23:28
  soon as he walks in because she has this horny demon inside of
• 1:23:31
  her. Thanks for thanks Bank.
• 1:23:35
  Gets her under control by giving her drink and to put her to
• 1:23:38
  sleep for a bit. Now during all this there's a
• 1:23:46
  skeptic trying to trying to disprove.
• 1:23:48
  These guys will call him pecker because he's a pecker.
• 1:23:58
  So he eventually finds out that they're keeping these Spirits
• 1:24:04
  deep in their home. So he gets this mob together to
• 1:24:10
  prove that they're frauds because, you know, he's a hater
• 1:24:12
  like that they destroy the containment for the spirits in
• 1:24:18
  there, all released Banks and everybody get drunk thrown in
• 1:24:23
  jail because when I get payment was breached or destroyed, Is it
• 1:24:29
  kind of like blew up, so they're accused of Witchcraft later on?
• 1:24:35
  They later on, they they were found innocent by the king and
• 1:24:43
  Since he needed their help to get the spirits under control.
• 1:24:46
  He's like, okay, you guys go handle this shit real quick.
• 1:24:51
  Little, do they know? That the two demons that were
• 1:24:54
  possessing Ripley, and her neighbor working together to
• 1:24:57
  summon their Master to Earth. They finally meet back up and
• 1:25:02
  start the ritual to summon your master shut.
• 1:25:08
  Let me just finish it real quick.
• 1:25:13
  Bacon, bacon the crew the show up in time to see the master has
• 1:25:18
  been summoned. Now, the stealing is one that
• 1:25:22
  takes on the form of whatever so don't think so and destroys them
• 1:25:26
  with it. So if you go on with a clear
• 1:25:29
  mind, then you should be okay. Well let me just tell you that
• 1:25:33
  stance is a pretty freaking pure of heart guy.
• 1:25:39
  So he's like well if I think of something sweet It will hurt me.
• 1:25:47
  And this is where I had to, I had to leave my notes alone.
• 1:25:56
  Tell you that. This is April Fool's joke.
• 1:25:58
  Your commitment to this I realized what it was.
• 1:26:04
  I known I wasn't. I was like you know I realized
• 1:26:07
  it was an April Fool's joke at about when you said the word
• 1:26:12
  containment unit but as like that beautiful it commitment.
• 1:26:19
  There was a lot of commitment there.
• 1:26:20
  Brian. I was trying my hardest not to
• 1:26:22
  fucking laugh and you remember trying to make you laugh.
• 1:26:25
  Yeah, I know you like and you got it like right off the
• 1:26:28
  fucking bat and I was like pretty doesn't remember
• 1:26:30
  Ghostbusters all like that. She's not like me the
• 1:26:34
  Ghostbusters anyway.
• 1:27:03
  Not just any worse, was a marshmallow mascot from his
• 1:27:06
  childhood. It appears as a 100-foot,
• 1:27:08
  marshmallow that quickly makes its way towards them for, like,
• 1:27:13
  a couple of minutes. I really was like, wait, did did
• 1:27:18
  is this where the original concept came from?
• 1:27:21
  But like this was wow, yeah. Eventually they are able to
• 1:27:27
  dispose of said, giant marshmallow mascot, Which was
• 1:27:34
  the form of the demon and they sent it back to those.
• 1:27:37
  ER, this is Hell later on. As everybody is rejoicing that
• 1:27:45
  of the destruction of the marshmallow, they're chanting a
• 1:27:51
  sort of song. Oh yeah, for these for these
• 1:27:54
  Heroes now I can't actually say that song because there's a
• 1:27:59
  copyright. Oh, but It goes, damn it.
• 1:28:04
  Damn it, did it. There's something strange,
• 1:28:12
  there's something strange in the neighborhood, your neighborhood.
• 1:28:15
  Who you gonna call these guys? Haha.
• 1:28:21
  Yes, it was April Fool's joke because it's comes out April
• 1:28:25
  1st. So that was good.
• 1:28:27
  That was good. I was I so took today,
• 1:28:31
  seriously. Yeah, I know and I was like,
• 1:28:34
  well, I thought about this like two weeks ago, I was like what
• 1:28:35
  is what can I do? Like because I'm ending the
• 1:28:40
  women's history month. And I was like oh well by the
• 1:28:44
  time this episode comes out, April Fool's Day.
• 1:28:48
  There you go. I'm gonna do something funny.
• 1:28:52
  Well, it was funny. I cackles.
• 1:28:55
  Oh my God. Many many times.
• 1:28:57
  I'm glad you got a kick out of it.
• 1:28:59
  Oh, I was like, how can I write this?
• 1:29:02
  So that she couldn't problems possibly get it right off the
• 1:29:05
  bat. And I was like, I didn't do a
• 1:29:07
  good job at oh, man. But yeah.
• 1:29:14
  That was like, that was a Fool's joke about Ghostbusters.
• 1:29:18
  And paranormal stuff always fun. It's always going to be short.
• 1:29:26
  That's a true. That's true.
• 1:29:28
  You did tell me that that's because you decided to make a
• 1:29:31
  joke. That it's all good.
• 1:29:37
  Hey, if you heard this episode and you listen to this far and
• 1:29:41
  you didn't enjoy it, I don't know what to tell you.
• 1:29:44
  Okay, I tried my banila. If you listen this far and you
• 1:29:48
  didn't enjoy it. I feel like you should write
• 1:29:50
  Brian and email the caught podcast at gmail.com.
• 1:29:55
  Oh yeah. What should I email you talking
• 1:29:57
  about? I don't know.
• 1:29:58
  Tell him what you liked and didn't like you should have you
• 1:30:02
  should have you. Has more Greek mythology.
• 1:30:04
  True. I was really excited for a
• 1:30:06
  second. That's why I was like realize
• 1:30:09
  like wait, we're going to talk about with ology.
• 1:30:11
  Okay, I'm here for it. I can talk about some Greek
• 1:30:14
  mythology. If you're really want me to like
• 1:30:16
  this is an unknown story, I was like Ah, that's exciting.
• 1:30:21
  And I was like a library and you only talked about getting gas
• 1:30:26
  late hella hard over here. The beginning Ghostbusters.
• 1:30:31
  Well, I was probably I was going to I was trying to say
• 1:30:33
  Ghostbusters. What the hell is that?
• 1:30:36
  You know, there's no way you could ever look me straight in
• 1:30:39
  the face and say, Ghostbusters. What is that?
• 1:30:43
  Oh my God. You know, I was finishing up my
• 1:30:45
  notes today and I had to watch real semesters to either watch
• 1:30:48
  the second one. No, the first one.
• 1:30:50
  Oh, okay. Well, that's always a good time.
• 1:30:51
  Yeah. Oh, there's another story about
• 1:30:55
  these guys and they do have to battle evil painting.
• 1:31:01
  Yes, yes. We're that nasty pink.
• 1:31:04
  Sludge comes out of the painting and like the they have to
• 1:31:08
  animate the statue of Athena to have her marched in the streets
• 1:31:16
  of Athens and get This can this joke cannot work twice in a row.
• 1:31:25
  My God plus it's going to be another four years before April
• 1:31:28
  1st will be on the day that we release the podcast.
• 1:31:30
  So you got a while. Oh, I can believe me.
• 1:31:33
  I will surprise you. All right, don't don't look at
• 1:31:37
  the calender next year because Prize gonna do something silly.
• 1:31:42
  I got I got a feeling in my bones.
• 1:31:46
  Well anyway, it was a pleasure. Yes, always, it was very fun and
• 1:31:55
  we will see you all next week. Yes please.
• 1:31:59
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• 1:32:06
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• 1:32:12
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• 1:32:14
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• 1:32:20
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• 1:32:59
  Okay, I'm pretty, I'm not going to change it.
• 1:33:02
  I just could make it some spooky.
• 1:33:04
  Yeah, I guess so. But yeah, you catch me every
• 1:33:08
  Sunday except for last night because I didn't, Feel like
• 1:33:10
  screaming. So because you felt like playing
• 1:33:12
  Fallout. I did feel like they fall out.
• 1:33:14
  It was fun. I love it up so much.
• 1:33:19
  Anyway, thanks for listening and I hope you have a good week.
• 1:33:23
  Bye.