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Open Marriage Ends in Murder · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: Imagine for just a moment waking up in the pitch black.
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's never a good start.
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Speaker 1: Right. I mean, you're totally disoriented, swimming up from the
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Speaker 1: depths of this really heavy medicated sleep. And suddenly your
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Speaker 1: bedroom door just slings open.
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Speaker 2: Terrifying.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And you hear shouting. You instantly think, you know,
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Speaker 1: it's an intruder. So in this blind panic. Your heart
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Speaker 1: is just hammering against your ribs. You reach for the nightstand.
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Speaker 2: Like pure fight or flight.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. You grab the cold, heavy steel of a handgun
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Speaker 1: and you fire into the darkness.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: And then as the ringing in your ears begins to fade,
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Speaker 1: a voice cuts through the chaos. And it's the voice
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Speaker 1: of the person you just shot.
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Speaker 2: Oh, man.
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Speaker 1: And you realize with this sickening drop in your stomach
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Speaker 1: that you didn't just shoot an intruder. You just shot
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Speaker 1: your own spouse.
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Speaker 2: That is just a nightmare scenario.
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Speaker 1: It really is. And that is exactly the scenario that
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Speaker 1: 51-year-old Cheryl Ko claimed she lived through on the evening
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Speaker 1: of June 23, 2021. This was in Coweta County, Georgia.
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Speaker 2: And this case, I mean, it goes in so many directions.
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Speaker 1: It really does. Today, we are pulling from a mass
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Speaker 1: stack of source material for this deep dive. Primarily, we're
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Speaker 1: looking at a super detailed case analysis and the actual
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Speaker 1: trial transcripts provided by the Long Crime Network.
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Speaker 2: Which are just Fascinating to read.
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Speaker 1: Oh, totally. Because this material, it tracks a single 911
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Speaker 1: call through just an absolute labyrinth of changing stories, secret
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Speaker 1: relationship rules, and this forensic evidence that completely changes the
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Speaker 1: trajectory of the whole investigation.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the physical evidence in this one is wild.
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Speaker 1: Right. So the mission for you, as we go on
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Speaker 1: this deep dive today, is to deconstruct how a lie
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Speaker 1: is built from the ground up. Like how investigators systematically
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Speaker 1: dismantle it, And what happens when the physical reality of
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Speaker 1: a room absolutely refuses to corroborate a carefully crafted narrative?
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Speaker 2: It's like watching a house of cards just slowly fall apart.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. OK, let's unpack this. We have to start with
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Speaker 1: the chaotic first moments of this case. So it's June 23, 2021.
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Speaker 1: The 911 call comes in and deputies are dispatched to
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Speaker 1: the home. Right.
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Speaker 2: So the deputies arrive at the residence at roughly 730
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Speaker 2: in the evening. They enter the home. They make their
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Speaker 2: way to the master bedroom and they find a really
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Speaker 2: grim situation. Luke Coe, who is Cheryl's husband of four years,
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Speaker 2: is on the floor.
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Speaker 1: Okay. Wow.
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Speaker 2: He's suffered multiple gunshot wounds. And the room is just,
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's an active trauma scene. And right in
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Speaker 2: the middle of this is Cheryl.
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Speaker 1: And the audio from this initial encounter, from the body
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Speaker 1: cams and the 911 call, it's what caught my attention
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Speaker 1: immediately when I was going through the source material. It
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Speaker 1: presents this fascinating contradiction.
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Speaker 2: Oh, the tone of her voice, you mean.
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Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. Because on the surface, Cheryl is hysterical. She
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Speaker 1: is wailing, crying out, screaming for help. But right beneath
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Speaker 1: that layer of hysteria, there is a totally different frequency playing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weirdly analytical.
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Speaker 1: Yes, she is highly clinical.
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Speaker 2: Highly clinical. I mean, she isn't just asking for an ambulance.
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Speaker 2: She is actively directing the medical response.
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Speaker 1: Like she's in charge.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. She specifically yells to the dispatchers and the arriving
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Speaker 2: deputies that Luke needs a, quote, chest tube.
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Speaker 1: A chest tube.
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Speaker 2: Right? And she tells him the bullet is stuck in
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Speaker 2: his lung and it didn't go through and through.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let's pause right there. Because this is where the
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Speaker 1: average person, as understanding of trauma, just completely clashes with
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Speaker 1: the reality of what's happening on that tape. Right.
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Speaker 2: Because think about how a normal person reacts.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. If you accidentally shoot someone in the dark, you
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Speaker 1: are panicking. You are screaming that they are bleeding. You
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Speaker 1: don't use phrases like, Through and through.
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Speaker 2: You certainly don't. And you don't immediately leap to the
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Speaker 2: necessity of a chest tube.
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Speaker 1: Right. Like, how would you even know that?
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Speaker 2: Well, to give a little context on the medical side here,
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Speaker 2: a chest tube is a very specific intervention. It's for
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Speaker 2: something like a pneumothorax or a hemothorax.
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Speaker 1: Which is what? A collapsed lung?
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Speaker 2: Basically, yeah. When a bullet punctures a lung, air or
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Speaker 2: blood escapes into the pleural space. That's the cavity between
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Speaker 2: the lung and the chest wall.
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Speaker 1: Okay. Got it.
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Speaker 2: And because of the negative pressure required to breathe... that
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Speaker 2: trapped air or blood compresses the lung, causing it to collapse.
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Speaker 2: So the chest tube is inserted to drain that fluid
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Speaker 2: or air and restore the negative pressure.
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Speaker 1: Wow, okay. So it's a very specific mechanical fix for
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Speaker 1: a very specific anatomical problem.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. The average person in a state of blending shock
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Speaker 2: does not mentally diagnose attention pneumothorax and prescribe the correct
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Speaker 2: surgical intervention.
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Speaker 1: No, of course not. You're just screaming for a doctor.
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Speaker 1: So where does this vocabulary come from?
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Speaker 2: Well, you have to look at her employment history.
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Speaker 1: Right. Because looking at her background, it suddenly makes sense,
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Speaker 1: but it also makes her behavior infinitely more suspicious. Cheryl
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Speaker 1: Coe had worked as a patient access team lead at
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Speaker 1: Piedmont Fayette Hospital for 27 years.
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Speaker 2: 27 years. I mean, spending nearly three decades in a
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Speaker 2: clinical environment completely changes how you view trauma.
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Speaker 1: You absorb the language.
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Speaker 2: You learn the jargon. You understand triage and you know
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Speaker 2: the mechanics of severe injury. just by being around it
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Speaker 2: every single day.
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Speaker 1: It's like an actor who completely forgets the emotional motivation
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Speaker 1: of a scene, but they remember their blocking and their
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Speaker 1: stage directions perfectly, you know?
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Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it.
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Speaker 1: Her panic seems loud, but her clinical assessment is just
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Speaker 1: far too sharp for someone who supposedly just woke up
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Speaker 1: in a drunken, medicated haze and fired blindly into the dark.
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Speaker 2: The neuroscience of trauma actually supports that suspicion really strongly.
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Speaker 1: Oh, really?
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Speaker 2: How so? Well, when the human brain experiences genuine, sudden,
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Speaker 2: catastrophic trauma, the prefrontal cortex, which is the logical, analytical,
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Speaker 2: problem-solving part of the brain, it essentially shuts down.
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Speaker 1: It goes offline.
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Speaker 2: Totally offline. The amygdala, which is the primitive fear center,
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Speaker 2: completely takes over. You are thrust into pure fight, flight,
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Speaker 2: or freeze.
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Speaker 1: Right. You're running purely on instinct at that point. Exactly.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. And in that state, you do not perform clinical
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Speaker 2: assessments of exit wounds. You just don't.
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Speaker 1: So what does that say about Cheryl in that moment?
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Speaker 2: The fact that her analytical brain is not only functioning
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Speaker 2: but operating at a triage level suggests she is not
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Speaker 2: in the amygdala hijack she is portraying.
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Speaker 1: She's faking the panic.
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Speaker 2: Or at least she is observing and calculating in a
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Speaker 2: way that contradicts her story.
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Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, so that clinical detachment inside the bedroom is
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Speaker 1: suspicious on its own. But it becomes incredibly damning when
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Speaker 1: you compare it to how she acted once police moved
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Speaker 1: her out onto the front lawn. Right.
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Speaker 2: The lawn is where things get really interesting.
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Speaker 1: First responders take over the medical efforts inside. They move
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Speaker 1: Cheryl outside to clear the scene. And deputies start observing
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Speaker 1: her behavior in the aftermath.
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Speaker 2: And how a person acts after claiming to have accidentally
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Speaker 2: shot their spouse is a critical piece of the investigative puzzle.
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Speaker 1: Because everyone expects a certain type of reaction.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. We all have cultural expectations of what trauma looks like.
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Speaker 2: The wailing, the collapsing, the hands over the face. And
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Speaker 2: Cheryl is giving them that exact performance.
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Speaker 1: She's playing all the hits.
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Speaker 2: She spends roughly an hour outside, acting so distraught that
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Speaker 2: deputies literally have to pull her off the ground. She
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Speaker 2: is physically collapsing into the grass.
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Speaker 1: But the deputies note a massive red flag here. Despite
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Speaker 1: the wailing and the collapsing and the hyperventilating, they do
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Speaker 1: not observe a single actual tear on her face. Not one.
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Speaker 2: And what's fascinating here is that this is a profound
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Speaker 2: physiological tell.
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Speaker 1: Explain that. Why is a lack of tears such a
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Speaker 1: big deal?
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Speaker 2: Because you can force your vocal cords to wail. You
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Speaker 2: can command your skeletal muscles to collapse. You can even
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Speaker 2: force yourself to hyperventilate by just breathing fast.
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Speaker 1: Right. Those are voluntary actions.
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Speaker 2: But you cannot easily force your lacrimal glands to produce
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Speaker 2: tears because If the genuine neurochemical trigger of sorrow isn't there.
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Speaker 1: You can't just squeeze your eyes and make them water
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Speaker 1: on command, at least not easily.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. Tears of grief are physiologically different from basal tears,
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Speaker 2: which are the ones that just keep your eyes lubricated.
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Speaker 1: Oh, really? I didn't know that. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Emotional tears actually contain higher levels of stress hormones. They
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Speaker 2: are triggered directly by the parasympathetic nervous system. So when
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Speaker 2: the physical reality, the completely dry face, doesn't match the
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Speaker 2: auditory performance... investigators instantly shift gears.
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Speaker 1: They go from this is a tragic accident to we're
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Speaker 1: dealing with a potential crime scene.
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Speaker 2: 100%.
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Speaker 1: But I want to push back on that for a
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Speaker 1: second just to play devil's advocate. Let's look at the
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Speaker 1: context of her evening because she claims she was heavily medicated, right?
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Speaker 2: She does claim that, yes.
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Speaker 1: Couldn't a massive cocktail of central nervous system depressants and
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Speaker 1: alcohol completely blunt a person's emotional effect? Like, is it
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Speaker 1: possible she wasn't crying simply because she was chemically numb?
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Speaker 2: It's a very fair question, and honestly, it's exactly the
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Speaker 2: kind of alternative hypothesis investigators have to rule out right away.
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Speaker 1: Right. You have to look at the pharmacology.
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Speaker 2: In benzodiazepines, for instance, do blunt, extreme emotional spikes. They
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Speaker 2: flatten you out. However, pharmacology doesn't allow you to pick
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Speaker 2: and choose your symptoms like from a restaurant menu.
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Speaker 1: Ah, I see where you're going with this.
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Speaker 2: If you are so chemically blunted that your autonomic nervous
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Speaker 2: system cannot produce a single tear... in the face of
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Speaker 2: accidentally killing your spouse.
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Speaker 1: You're practically comatose.
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Speaker 2: Yes. You are far too blunted to accurately diagnose a pneumothorax,
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Speaker 2: locate the entry wounds, determine the lack of an exit wound,
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Speaker 2: and request a chest tube.
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Speaker 1: That makes perfect sense.
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Speaker 2: You cannot be simultaneously comatose to grief, but surgically precise
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Speaker 2: in your medical analysis. The two cognitive states literally cannot
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Speaker 2: coexist in the same brain at the same time.
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Speaker 1: Wow. The inconsistency is the tell. It's not just the tears.
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Speaker 1: It's the lack of tears combined with the high level
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Speaker 1: medical jargon.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. It's the contrast.
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Speaker 1: So while she is giving this tearless performance on the lawn,
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Speaker 1: she starts giving her first official story to the coroner
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Speaker 1: and the deputies who are out there with her.
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Speaker 2: And she sets a very specific scene.
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Speaker 1: She does. She lays out a detailed timeline starting from
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Speaker 1: when she got home from work around 5.30 p.m. She
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Speaker 1: mentions running errands in a town called Noonan, then coming
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Speaker 1: home to find Luke out in a shop.
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Speaker 2: He was working on his motorcycle, right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, his panhead motorcycle, and his son was out there
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Speaker 1: with him.
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Speaker 2: So she's setting a very normal, totally domestic stage, just
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Speaker 2: a regular Wednesday evening.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and then she details her evening routine. She admits
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Speaker 1: to drinking on the back porch, but she adds this
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Speaker 1: very specific detail totally unprompted.
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Speaker 2: Oh, the drink choice.
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Speaker 1: Yes. She tells the investigator that she usually drinks Captain
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Speaker 1: Morgan and Dr. Pepper, but tonight she decided to drink cider. Tonight,
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Speaker 1: it was Angry Orchard.
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Speaker 2: This is a fascinating psychological tactic that people use when
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Speaker 2: they lie.
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Speaker 1: Why do they do that? Why bring up the cider?
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Speaker 2: It's an anchoring detail. When people spin a narrative they
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Speaker 2: know is going to be heavily scrutinized, they often sprinkle
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Speaker 2: in completely irrelevant, hyper-specific truths.
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Speaker 1: Like, I'm telling the truth about this tiny thing, so
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Speaker 1: everything else must be true.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. Think of it like a magician's sleight of hand.
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Speaker 2: The magician waves a brightly colored handkerchief to draw your
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Speaker 2: eye so you don't look at what their other hand
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Speaker 2: is doing in the shadows.
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Speaker 1: Right, it's misdirection.
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Speaker 2: By offering a seemingly honest, highly specific detail about her
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Speaker 2: beverage preferences... She hopes the listener will subconsciously extend that
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Speaker 2: aura of truthfulness to the rest of the story. She
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Speaker 2: wants the detective to think, well, she's being so transparent
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Speaker 2: about the rum versus the cider. She must be telling
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Speaker 2: the truth about the gun.
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Speaker 1: It's a total distraction. And then she moves from the
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Speaker 1: alcohol to the medication. And this is where she really
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Speaker 1: tries to build an alibi out of impairment.
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Speaker 2: She lets a heavy cocktail.
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Speaker 1: Very heavy. She tells them that around 630 p.m. she
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Speaker 1: took a bunch of drugs. She lists Klonopin, claiming she
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Speaker 1: needs it because she, quote, can't turn her brain off.
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Speaker 1: She lists Phenergan for migraines, and she lists her menopause hormones, progesterone,
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Speaker 1: and estradiol.
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Speaker 2: Let's break down the pharmacology of that cocktail because it
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Speaker 2: is intense.
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Speaker 1: These do because it sounds like a lot.
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Speaker 2: It is. So Klonopin is a powerful benzodiazepine. It works
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Speaker 2: by enhancing the effect of GABA, which is an inhibitory
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Speaker 2: neurotransmitter in the brain.
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Speaker 1: So it slows things down.
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Speaker 2: Basically, yeah. It slows down brain activity. It reduces anxiety,
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Speaker 2: induces sleep. Then you have Finnergan or promethazine. It's an antihistamine,
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Speaker 2: but it crosses the blood-brain barrier and has heavy sedative properties.
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Speaker 1: Oh, so it makes you super drowsy, too.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it blocks histamine receptors, which normally help keep you
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Speaker 2: awake and alert. And then you add alcohol, several hard ciders,
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Speaker 2: which is another central nervous system depressant that also acts
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Speaker 2: on those GABA receptors.
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Speaker 1: So she's hitting her brain's off switch from three different
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Speaker 1: chemical angles simultaneously.
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Speaker 2: Precisely. Mixing a Bembo... A sedating antihistamine in alcohol is
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Speaker 2: profoundly dangerous. It causes severe drowsiness, motoring coordination, memory impairment,
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Speaker 2: and terrible decision making.
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Speaker 1: And she is openly admitting to taking all of this.
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Speaker 2: Right. She is essentially building a foundation of extreme self-induced
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Speaker 2: impairment to explain her upcoming actions. She claims she went
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Speaker 2: to bed, the door slung open, she was terrified by
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Speaker 2: an intruder, grabbed her gun, and fired twice.
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Speaker 1: And she claims she only realized it was her husband
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Speaker 1: after he spoke.
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Speaker 2: Which, again, we have to look at capabilities.
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Speaker 1: Right. Put yourself on that dark lawn for a second.
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Speaker 1: You are the investigator. You have a suspect who just
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Speaker 1: confessed chemically impairing herself to the point of a near blackout. Right.
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Speaker 1: And she is using that self-induced fog to explain why
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Speaker 1: she shot her husband. But again, we run into this
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Speaker 1: huge contradiction of capabilities.
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Speaker 2: Exactly.
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Speaker 1: If you are truly that impaired, so impaired you can't
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Speaker 1: recognize the man you've been married to for four years
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Speaker 1: standing in a doorway. How on earth do you possess
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Speaker 1: the fine motor skills and tactical awareness to locate a
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Speaker 1: weapon in the dark, aim it at a moving target,
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Speaker 1: and fire two distinct shots?
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Speaker 2: You don't. You simply don't. Extreme impairment is a terrible
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Speaker 2: defense strategy when the crime requires precision.
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Speaker 1: It's like saying you were too blind to read a book,
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Speaker 1: but you managed to thread a needle.
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Speaker 2: That's a perfect analogy. You can't be too impaired to
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Speaker 2: recognize a face, but sober enough to execute a lethal action...
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Speaker 2: and then instantly transition into a highly functional triage nurse.
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Speaker 1: Right. But people don't just shoot their spouses out of nowhere,
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Speaker 1: even if they are sober. Investigators know they have to
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Speaker 1: look for the current running beneath the surface. Like, what
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Speaker 1: is the underlying motive?
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Speaker 2: Why the separate bedrooms? Why the tension?
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Speaker 1: Exactly. Why would a married couple of four years be
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Speaker 1: sleeping in separate rooms? Why were they not speaking to
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Speaker 1: each other that day? Let's shift our focus to the
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Speaker 1: events of the days leading up to the shooting because
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Speaker 1: this is where the motive really crystallizes.
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Speaker 2: And the motive here is rooted in a fundamental shift
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Speaker 2: in their relationship dynamics. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: About a year prior to the shooting, Luke and Cheryl
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Speaker 1: made a decision to open their marriage to other people.
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Speaker 2: And opening a marriage is incredibly complex.
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Speaker 1: I can only imagine.
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Speaker 2: From a psychological standpoint, it requires a profound level of differentiation,
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Speaker 2: meaning the ability to maintain your own sense of self...
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Speaker 2: while staying emotionally connected to a partner, even when they
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Speaker 2: are engaging intimately with someone else.
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Speaker 1: That sounds like it takes a lot of secure attachment.
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Speaker 2: It does. For some couples, it works. But for many,
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Speaker 2: it acts as an absolute stress test for any existing
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Speaker 2: cracks in the foundation of the relationship.
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Speaker 1: And the source material shows this was definitely a massive
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Speaker 1: stress test for Luke and Cheryl. This arrangement required a
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Speaker 1: complex web of rules... That they had to constantly renegotiate.
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Speaker 2: Which is exhausting.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl actually admits to investigators that they usually arrived at
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Speaker 1: these new rules only after heated arguments.
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Speaker 2: When a relationship relies on an ever-shifting set of rules
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Speaker 2: to manage jealousy, it's a huge sign that the foundation
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Speaker 2: is cracking.
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Speaker 1: Right, because you're just policing each other at that point.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. The rules aren't creating freedom. They are creating tripwires.
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Speaker 2: Every text message, every late night out, every new person
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Speaker 2: becomes a potential violation.
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Speaker 1: It sounds like a minefield.
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Speaker 2: It is. Instead of fostering openness, it breeds a constant
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Speaker 2: state of hypervigilance and resentment.
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Speaker 1: Which brings us to the inciting incident, the specific event
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Speaker 1: that escalated this underlying tension into a full-blown crisis.
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Speaker 2: This happened on the Monday before the shooting, right?
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Speaker 1: Yes, two days before. Cheryl described this text exchange to investigators.
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Speaker 1: On Monday morning while she was at work, Cheryl texted
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Speaker 1: Luke asking for permission to meet up with someone else
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Speaker 1: that week.
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Speaker 2: Asking for permission implies they had a structure of veto power.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. And Luke used his veto power. But he didn't
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Speaker 1: just say, you know, no, I'd rather you didn't. Maybe
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Speaker 1: next week. Right.
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Speaker 2: What did he say?
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Speaker 1: He texted back that the idea of her meeting up
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Speaker 1: with this person made his stomach turn.
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Speaker 2: Stomach turn. That is, I mean, that is visceral.
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Speaker 1: It really is.
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Speaker 2: It's not a logical objection about scheduling. It's a profound
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Speaker 2: physiological reaction of disgust and deep jealousy.
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Speaker 1: Like a gut punch.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. It indicates that despite whatever intellectual agreement they made
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Speaker 2: to open the marriage, emotionally, his attachment system was completely
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Speaker 2: panicked by the reality of it.
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Speaker 1: So Cheryl claims she responded to that text by saying, OK,
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Speaker 1: let's just don't do this anymore. She meant let's close
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Speaker 1: the marriage. Let's stop seeing other people.
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Speaker 2: OK, so she's shutting it down.
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Speaker 1: Now, she presents this to the investigators as a very mature, mutual,
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Speaker 1: respectful disagreement. She paints a picture of, you know, He
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Speaker 1: was uncomfortable, I respected his feelings, and we calmly agreed
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Speaker 1: to stop.
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Speaker 2: But the behavior that follows completely shatters that serene framing.
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Speaker 1: I completely agree. Because if it was so amicable, why
17:35
Speaker 1: did it trigger a domestic Cold War?
17:37
Speaker 2: It definitely wasn't peaceful.
17:39
Speaker 1: Not at all. What happened next was dark. Luke came
17:42
Speaker 1: home that afternoon, loaded up his motorcycle, left the house,
17:46
Speaker 1: and didn't return until after midnight.
17:48
Speaker 2: Wow. Just bailed.
17:49
Speaker 1: And the entire next day, Tuesday, they completely refused to
17:53
Speaker 1: speak to each other. They gave each other the silent treatment.
17:56
Speaker 1: They slept on opposite sides of the bed. If they
17:58
Speaker 1: even slept in the same bed at all.
18:00
Speaker 2: That's intense.
18:00
Speaker 1: This wasn't a minor scheduling conflict. This was a deep
18:03
Speaker 1: romantic betrayal playing out in real time.
18:06
Speaker 2: The physical actions fleeing the house, the silent treatment. These
18:11
Speaker 2: are hallmarks of severe relational distress in psychology. The silent
18:16
Speaker 2: treatment is actually a form of stonewalling.
18:19
Speaker 1: Stonewalling.
18:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is incredibly damaging to a partnership. It
18:23
Speaker 2: actually elevates the physiological arousal and heart rate of the
18:26
Speaker 2: person being stonewalled. It feels like an existential threat to
18:30
Speaker 2: the relationship.
18:30
Speaker 1: So you're basically trapped in a room with a threat.
18:33
Speaker 2: Yes. When he says it makes his stomach turn, he's
18:36
Speaker 2: feeling betrayed. When she says, let's just stop, she is
18:40
Speaker 2: likely feeling resentful that he is pulling the veto card,
18:43
Speaker 2: especially since she pointed out to investigators that She always
18:46
Speaker 2: allowed him to see people when he asked.
18:48
Speaker 1: Oh, so there's a double standard playing out here.
18:50
Speaker 2: Exactly. The open marriage didn't save them. It provided the
18:53
Speaker 2: exact catalyst for their breakdown. The sheer exhaustion of managing
18:58
Speaker 2: this jealousy had brought them to a total breaking point.
19:01
Speaker 1: So we have a marriage on the brink, a house
19:03
Speaker 1: poisoned by toxic silence, a wife fueled by alcohol and sedatives,
19:08
Speaker 1: and a husband dead on the bedroom floor.
19:10
Speaker 2: The motive is starting to look very, very clear.
19:12
Speaker 1: It is. It's not a tragic accident. Born of a
19:15
Speaker 1: misunderstanding in the dark. It's the violent climax of this
19:19
Speaker 1: cold war they were having.
19:21
Speaker 2: So with the scene documented, the initial story recorded, and
19:25
Speaker 2: the motive kind of established, investigators bring Cheryl into the station.
19:29
Speaker 1: Right. This is June 24th, the day after the shooting.
19:32
Speaker 2: She is formally Mirandized. And this is where the interrogation
19:35
Speaker 2: actually begins. And it's important to note how detectives operate here.
19:40
Speaker 2: They don't just sit down and call a suspect a
19:42
Speaker 2: liar to their face.
19:43
Speaker 1: Why not? Wouldn't that be the easiest thing to do?
19:46
Speaker 2: Because that shuts down communication immediately. If you call someone
19:49
Speaker 2: a liar... they cross their arms and ask for a lawyer. Instead,
19:53
Speaker 2: they let the suspect talk. They let them weave their web.
19:56
Speaker 2: They let them lock themselves into a timeline and a
19:58
Speaker 2: sequence of events.
19:59
Speaker 1: And then they spring the trap.
20:00
Speaker 2: And then they use the physical realities of time, math,
20:05
Speaker 2: and space to build an inescapable wall around them.
20:07
Speaker 1: OK, let's break down the math of Cheryl's timeline because
20:09
Speaker 1: it is the first major trap she just walks right into.
20:12
Speaker 1: She specifically claims to the detectives that she went to
20:15
Speaker 1: bed around 7 to.
20:16
Speaker 2: 1 5 p.m. 7.15.
20:19
Speaker 1: But the 911 call was officially logged by dispatch at
20:22
Speaker 1: exactly 7.26 p.m.
20:24
Speaker 2: Here's where it gets really interesting. That leaves exactly an
20:28
Speaker 2: 11 minute window.
20:29
Speaker 1: 11 minutes.
20:30
Speaker 2: 11 minutes from the moment she supposedly got into bed.
20:34
Speaker 2: to the moment she's on the phone with 911.
20:36
Speaker 1: And within those 11 minutes, Cheryl is asking investigators to
20:38
Speaker 1: believe a remarkably dense sequence of events.
20:41
Speaker 2: Did you get it?
20:42
Speaker 1: She wants them to believe she got into bed, and
20:44
Speaker 1: despite being geared up from a highly stressful multi-day fight
20:47
Speaker 1: with her husband, she immediately fell into a deep drug
20:51
Speaker 1: and alcohol-induced sleep.
20:53
Speaker 2: Which is unlikely.
20:54
Speaker 1: Then she was awoken by a loud noise, the door
20:56
Speaker 1: throwing open. She had time to process that fear again,
20:59
Speaker 1: reach for the nightstand, grab her gun, aim into the dark,
21:02
Speaker 1: and fire two distinct shots.
21:04
Speaker 2: Right.
21:04
Speaker 1: Then she had to realize it was her husband, get
21:06
Speaker 1: out of bed, assess his runes, realize they were severe,
21:10
Speaker 1: find towels, apply pressure, locate her phone on the floor
21:13
Speaker 1: where she claimed she threw it, and dial 911.
21:16
Speaker 2: All of that.
21:17
Speaker 1: All of that. Start to finish in 11 minutes.
21:20
Speaker 2: It's an impossibly tight timeline. Let's just look at the
21:23
Speaker 2: physiology of sleep for a second. Even with heavy sedatives
21:26
Speaker 2: on board, the transition from active wakefulness to brushing teeth,
21:31
Speaker 2: getting to bed, turning on the TV, to a state
21:33
Speaker 2: of sleep deep enough that you are disoriented upon waking,
21:37
Speaker 2: takes time.
21:38
Speaker 1: Usually more than just a few minutes, right?
21:39
Speaker 2: That process alone usually takes more than 11 minutes. And
21:43
Speaker 2: waking up from a benzo and alcohol sleep induces severe
21:46
Speaker 2: sleep inertia.
21:47
Speaker 1: What's sleep inertia?
21:49
Speaker 2: It's that groggy, confused state where the brain doesn't just
21:52
Speaker 2: snap to tactical awareness. It struggles to distinguish reality from dreams.
21:57
Speaker 2: You're fumbling. You were slow.
21:59
Speaker 1: You're not John Wick grabbing a gun.
22:01
Speaker 2: Exactly. Then factor in the chaotic aftermath of the shooting,
22:05
Speaker 2: the realization, the scramble for towels. The timeline she provided
22:09
Speaker 2: requires her to have essentially teleported through the physiological stages
22:12
Speaker 2: of sleep and the physical actions of trauma response.
22:15
Speaker 1: It just doesn't fit the math. But the detectives don't
22:18
Speaker 1: stop at the clock. They start pressing her on the
22:20
Speaker 1: sensory contradictions of her story. This is where the environment
22:23
Speaker 1: of the room itself becomes a witness against her.
22:26
Speaker 2: Detectives are absolute masters. at using the physical environment to
22:30
Speaker 2: dismantle a sensory defense. Let's look at the lighting.
22:34
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about the light.
22:35
Speaker 2: It is 7.3 CRPM in late June in Georgia.
22:39
Speaker 1: It is broad daylight outside. The sun doesn't set until
22:42
Speaker 1: almost 9 PM in June.
22:44
Speaker 2: Exactly. We are well before sunset. The investigators note that
22:47
Speaker 2: the home has many windows. Now, Cheryl claims she had
22:50
Speaker 2: blackout curtains on the bedroom windows because of her migraines.
22:53
Speaker 1: Which, okay, plausible.
22:55
Speaker 2: But detectives push back on this reality. Even with heavy
22:58
Speaker 2: blackout curtains, ambient summer daylight leaks in around the edges,
23:03
Speaker 2: under the door, through the seams. It is never pitch
23:05
Speaker 2: black in a room with windows at 7.30 p.m. in
23:08
Speaker 2: the summer.
23:08
Speaker 1: Never. Furthermore, Cheryl herself admitted that she left the television
23:12
Speaker 1: on because she didn't like being alone. A modern television
23:14
Speaker 1: is a massive light source.
23:16
Speaker 2: Huge. So you have ambient summer daylight leaking in, compounded
23:20
Speaker 2: by the flickering glow of a television screen. The room
23:23
Speaker 2: is not a lightless void.
23:24
Speaker 1: Not at all.
23:25
Speaker 2: It is illuminated enough to see shapes, to see details,
23:29
Speaker 2: and certainly enough to recognize the physical silhouette and gait
23:32
Speaker 2: of a human being standing in the doorway.
23:34
Speaker 1: Especially the human being you live with. You know how
23:37
Speaker 1: they stand, how they walk.
23:39
Speaker 2: Right, you know their outline.
23:40
Speaker 1: But the sensory traps extend beyond the light. They move
23:43
Speaker 1: into the physics of sound. And this is a logical
23:46
Speaker 1: paradox she completely traps herself in.
23:48
Speaker 2: Oh, this part is fascinating.
23:50
Speaker 1: Cheryl claims she fired the gun, hoping that Luke would
23:53
Speaker 1: hear the gunshots and come running from the shop to
23:55
Speaker 1: save her. She knew he was out there playing loud music.
23:59
Speaker 1: But in the exact same breath, during the same interrogation,
24:03
Speaker 1: she claims that she couldn't hear the loud music from
24:06
Speaker 1: the shop while she was inside her bedroom.
24:09
Speaker 2: This is a devastating logical contradiction regarding acoustic transmission.
24:13
Speaker 1: Because it just defies physics.
24:15
Speaker 2: Completely. Completely. You cannot claim that your bedroom walls provide
24:19
Speaker 2: such effective soundproofing that you cannot hear blaring music from
24:22
Speaker 2: a garage, but simultaneously claim that a gunshot fired inside
24:27
Speaker 2: that soundproofed room would somehow penetrate the walls, cross the yard,
24:32
Speaker 2: and be heard by a man over the very music
24:35
Speaker 2: you just established you couldn't hear.
24:37
Speaker 1: It defies the basic physics of sound.
24:40
Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture, investigators are
24:43
Speaker 2: using logic to dismantle her entire sensory defense.
24:46
Speaker 1: You can't have it both ways. You can't claim it
24:48
Speaker 1: was too dark to recognize your husband of four years,
24:51
Speaker 1: but bright enough for you to accurately aim a weapon. Right.
24:54
Speaker 1: You can't claim the walls were thick enough to block
24:56
Speaker 1: his music, but thin enough to broadcast a gunshot.
24:59
Speaker 2: It's absurd.
25:00
Speaker 1: The detectives lay these contradictions out in front of her
25:02
Speaker 1: one by one. They systematically remove every single pillar supporting
25:06
Speaker 1: her intruder narrative.
25:07
Speaker 2: And when a suspect is trapped in an interrogation room
25:10
Speaker 2: by glaring, undeniable inconsistencies, When the math of the clock
25:14
Speaker 2: and the physics of the room prove their stories a lie,
25:17
Speaker 2: they experience immense psychological pressure.
25:20
Speaker 1: It must feel suffocating.
25:21
Speaker 2: It really does. The cognitive dissonance of maintaining a broken
25:25
Speaker 2: lie becomes too much. They only have one option left
25:28
Speaker 2: if they want to avoid confessing to cold-blooded murder.
25:31
Speaker 1: They have to pivot. They have to create a brand
25:33
Speaker 1: new narrative.
25:34
Speaker 2: Happens all the time.
25:35
Speaker 1: We see this all the time in interrogations. Once the
25:37
Speaker 1: first lie collapses... The suspect tries to salvage their freedom
25:42
Speaker 1: by offering a second, slightly more plausible lie. And this
25:45
Speaker 1: is exactly what Cheryl does. The tragic accident suddenly transforms
25:50
Speaker 1: into a deliberate act of self-preservation.
25:53
Speaker 2: The pivot is just jarring to read. Once the detectives
25:57
Speaker 2: press her on the light in the room, the 11-minute timeline,
26:00
Speaker 2: and the sheer impossibility of her not recognizing him, Cheryl
26:04
Speaker 2: completely abandons the intruder theory.
26:06
Speaker 1: She just drops it.
26:07
Speaker 2: She just drops it entirely. She admits that she knew
26:10
Speaker 2: it was Luke.
26:11
Speaker 1: That is a massive admission. It completely changes the legal
26:14
Speaker 1: landscape of the investigation. So the news story goes like this.
26:18
Speaker 1: She claims Luke came into the bedroom. He didn't just
26:21
Speaker 1: walk in. He was furious. He was yelling, throwing things
26:25
Speaker 1: around the room, demanding that she get her, quote, ass
26:28
Speaker 1: out of that bed and go sleep in the other
26:30
Speaker 1: room because she was refusing to talk to him.
26:33
Speaker 2: OK, so she's establishing a threat.
26:35
Speaker 1: And then she escalates the threat. She alleges that he
26:38
Speaker 1: didn't just yell, he physically grabbed her and began attempting
26:42
Speaker 1: to drag her forcefully out.
26:43
Speaker 2: Of the bed. By adding this physical altercation, she is
26:47
Speaker 2: attempting to establish the legal framework for self-defense.
26:50
Speaker 1: Right, because now it's not an accident, it's protection.
26:52
Speaker 2: In Georgia, as in most states, to legally use lethal
26:56
Speaker 2: source and self-defense, you must reasonably believe that such force
26:59
Speaker 2: is necessary to prevent death, or great bodily injury to yourself.
27:03
Speaker 1: And a large, angry man violently dragging a woman out
27:06
Speaker 1: of bed certainly sounds like an imminent threat.
27:09
Speaker 2: It sounds like a scenario that might justify a defensive response, yes.
27:12
Speaker 1: But how does she explain the actual shooting in this
27:15
Speaker 1: new context? Because two shots were fired.
27:18
Speaker 2: She introduces the warning shots. She claims that while she
27:22
Speaker 2: was still in bed being pulled, she grabbed the gun
27:25
Speaker 2: and fired a first shot. But she says this was
27:27
Speaker 2: a warning shot aimed up at the ceiling just to
27:30
Speaker 2: scare him into stopping.
27:32
Speaker 1: Which I've heard is a terrible idea legally.
27:34
Speaker 2: The warning shot is a pervasive myth in self-defense claims.
27:39
Speaker 2: From a legal standpoint, firing a warning shot is incredibly
27:43
Speaker 2: problematic and often illegal, usually constituting reckless discharge of a firearm.
27:49
Speaker 2: But suspects use it to mitigate intent. They want to say,
27:52
Speaker 2: I fired the gun, but I didn't mean to kill.
27:54
Speaker 1: She claims this first shot worked momentarily. Luke retreated out
27:58
Speaker 1: of the bedroom toward the kitchen. But then he turned around.
28:01
Speaker 1: He came back to the doorway and started coming at
28:03
Speaker 1: her again.
28:04
Speaker 2: Okay, so the threat returns.
28:05
Speaker 1: At this point, she claims she stood up by the
28:07
Speaker 1: nightstand and fired a second shot. But again, she insists
28:10
Speaker 1: she was not aiming at him. She claims she was
28:13
Speaker 1: firing a second warning shot, this time aiming at the
28:15
Speaker 1: wall across the room. She says she never intended to
28:18
Speaker 1: hit him at all. He just stepped into the path
28:20
Speaker 1: of the bullet.
28:21
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating evolution of a lie. She has moved from,
28:25
Speaker 2: I didn't know who it was, to... I knew it was.
28:28
Speaker 2: He attacked me, but I didn't mean to shoot him.
28:30
Speaker 2: He just happened to get in the way.
28:32
Speaker 1: That's a lot of gymnastics.
28:33
Speaker 2: She is desperately trying to downgrade the narrative from murder
28:37
Speaker 2: to a tragic accident during a justified self-defense scenario.
28:41
Speaker 1: But there is a bizarre detail in this new narrative
28:45
Speaker 1: that the detectives zero in on. It's one of those
28:47
Speaker 1: things that just makes you scratch your head. When Luke
28:50
Speaker 1: was found by the deputies, he was completely naked.
28:53
Speaker 2: Yes. This is such a weird detail.
28:55
Speaker 1: And when detectives press her on this, asking why a
28:58
Speaker 1: man would violently attack you and drag you out of
29:00
Speaker 1: bed completely naked, Cheryl goes into overdrive trying to explain it.
29:05
Speaker 2: She doesn't just say, I don't know, he just was.
29:07
Speaker 1: Right. She offers a whole buffet of possible explanations. Way
29:11
Speaker 1: too many explanations.
29:12
Speaker 2: Which is always a red flag.
29:13
Speaker 1: She suggests that maybe he was taking off his greasy
29:16
Speaker 1: clothes in the laundry room so he wouldn't crack dirt
29:18
Speaker 1: into the house after working on the motorcycle. Or, she suggests,
29:22
Speaker 1: maybe he was hot and decided to go for a
29:24
Speaker 1: swim in the pool and then came inside naked.
29:26
Speaker 2: And then she relies on that anchoring technique again, the
29:29
Speaker 2: sleight of hand.
29:30
Speaker 1: Exactly. She tells the detectives that when the deputies let
29:33
Speaker 1: her go outside to grab her flip-flops earlier that evening,
29:36
Speaker 1: she noticed all of Luke's belongings neatly lined up on
29:39
Speaker 1: a tablecloth. outside. She uses this hyper-specific detail about his
29:44
Speaker 1: belongings on a table to validate her theory that he
29:47
Speaker 1: had gone for a swim.
29:48
Speaker 2: This is a classic hallmark of deception driven by information overload.
29:53
Speaker 1: How so?
29:54
Speaker 2: When someone is telling the truth about a genuinely traumatic event,
29:57
Speaker 2: Their memory is intensely focused on the threat itself, the weapon,
30:01
Speaker 2: the physical pain, the terror. Your brain experiences tunnel vision.
30:06
Speaker 1: You aren't taking inventory of the patio furniture.
30:08
Speaker 2: Exactly. If a naked, furious man is violently dragging you
30:12
Speaker 2: out of bed, your focus is not on his laundry habits.
30:15
Speaker 2: You are not contemplating whether you just took a refreshing
30:18
Speaker 2: dip in the pool.
30:18
Speaker 1: It makes no sense.
30:19
Speaker 2: By adding these hyper-specific, mundane details, the flip-flops, the table,
30:24
Speaker 2: the neat line of belongings... She is desperately trying to
30:28
Speaker 2: anchor her false story in reality. She wants the detectives
30:31
Speaker 2: to go outside, verify that the table exists, verify that
30:35
Speaker 2: the belongings are there, and then, by association, accept her
30:39
Speaker 2: entire narrative of the attack as truth.
30:41
Speaker 1: Look at the table. Don't look at the fact that
30:43
Speaker 1: my story makes no sense.
30:44
Speaker 2: Exactly. It's a distraction technique.
30:46
Speaker 1: And honestly, Cheryl thought she had done it. She thought
30:49
Speaker 1: she had successfully navigated the interrogation, pivoted away from the
30:53
Speaker 1: timeline trap, and created a legally plausible case for self-defense.
30:58
Speaker 1: She had an explanation for the light, the timeline, the motive,
31:01
Speaker 1: and the nakedness.
31:03
Speaker 2: She really thought she was the smartest person in the room.
31:05
Speaker 2: But she forgot one crucial element, however, and is the
31:09
Speaker 2: one element that a suspect can never manipulate, talk their
31:12
Speaker 2: way out of, or pivot away from.
31:14
Speaker 1: The physical evidence.
31:15
Speaker 2: The body. The victim's body tells its own story in
31:19
Speaker 2: a language written in tissue, blood, and ballistics. And this
31:22
Speaker 2: leads us to the undeniable physical evidence that was eventually
31:25
Speaker 2: presented at trial, the forensic betrayal of her narrative.
31:29
Speaker 1: This part is mind-blowing. The bombshell finding came from the
31:32
Speaker 1: medical examiner. When they performed the autopsy on Luke Coe,
31:36
Speaker 1: they didn't just document bullet wounds. They found something highly
31:40
Speaker 1: specific called muzzle compressions around the entrance wounds on his chest.
31:45
Speaker 2: Muzzle compressions. This is where the science of forensic pathology
31:49
Speaker 2: entirely shatters her second story.
31:51
Speaker 1: Let's explore exactly what a muzzle compression is, because the
31:54
Speaker 1: physics of it are terrifyingly definitive.
31:56
Speaker 2: Okay, let's break it down. When a handgun is fired,
31:59
Speaker 2: it doesn't just expel a bullet. It expels a violent,
32:02
Speaker 2: rapidly expanding cloud of superheated gases, unburned gunpowder, and soot
32:07
Speaker 2: out of the end of the barrel.
32:08
Speaker 1: It's a literal explosion happening inside a metal tube.
32:11
Speaker 2: Exactly. Internal ballistics turning into terminal ballistics. Now, if you
32:16
Speaker 2: fire a gun from a distance, even a short distance
32:18
Speaker 2: of just a few feet, That cloud of gas and
32:21
Speaker 2: heat dissipates into the air before the bullet strikes the target.
32:25
Speaker 1: So you just get the hole from the bullet. Right.
32:27
Speaker 2: You get a bullet hole and maybe some light stippling
32:29
Speaker 2: or soot on the skin, depending on the exact distance.
32:32
Speaker 2: But a muzzle compression is an entirely different phenomenon. A
32:36
Speaker 2: muzzle compression only occurs when the barrel of the gun
32:40
Speaker 2: is pressed firmly, directly, and forcefully against the victim's skin
32:43
Speaker 2: or clothing at the exact microsecond the trigger is pulled.
32:47
Speaker 1: It is a contact wound.
32:48
Speaker 2: Yes.
32:49
Speaker 1: The gun has to be... physically touching him.
32:51
Speaker 2: Not just touching him, pressed into him.
32:54
Speaker 1: Wow.
32:55
Speaker 2: When a gun is fired in contact with the body,
32:57
Speaker 2: all of those superheated gases have nowhere to expand into
33:00
Speaker 2: the air. They are forced directly into the wound track
33:04
Speaker 2: beneath the skin.
33:04
Speaker 1: Oh, that sounds horrific.
33:06
Speaker 2: It is. The gas violently expands under the tissue, ballooning
33:10
Speaker 2: the skin outward against the hot metal of gun barrel.
33:14
Speaker 2: This forceful expansion, often resulting in what's called stellate tearing
33:18
Speaker 2: or star-shaped ripping of the skin, literally stamps the physical
33:23
Speaker 2: imprint of the gun's muzzle into the flesh.
33:25
Speaker 1: It brands them.
33:27
Speaker 2: Exactly. It burns and crushes the skin in a perfect
33:30
Speaker 2: microscopic replica of the weapon's tip. The shape of the barrel,
33:34
Speaker 2: the sight post, the guide rod. You can literally match
33:37
Speaker 2: the gun to the burn mark.
33:38
Speaker 1: Which raises a devastating question for the defense.
33:40
Speaker 2: The most important question.
33:42
Speaker 1: How do you press a gun so forcefully into someone's
33:44
Speaker 1: chest that it brands their skin with the shape of
33:46
Speaker 1: the barrel if you are supposedly firing a warning shot
33:50
Speaker 1: at a wall from all the way across the room?
33:52
Speaker 2: You can't. It is physically, scientifically impossible.
33:55
Speaker 1: You just can't argue with physics.
33:56
Speaker 2: This single piece of forensic science entirely dismantles Cheryl's second story.
34:01
Speaker 2: It annihilates the warning shot theory. It annihilates the idea
34:05
Speaker 2: that they were separated by distance during a chaotic scuffle.
34:08
Speaker 1: It completely rewrites the physical choreography of the event. She
34:12
Speaker 1: was not standing by her nightstand, cowering in fear, firing
34:15
Speaker 1: blindly toward a doorway. She had the weapon pressed into
34:18
Speaker 1: his flesh.
34:19
Speaker 2: Pressed hard.
34:20
Speaker 1: I want to pause here because the reality of this
34:23
Speaker 1: is chilling. Think about what this means. To achieve a
34:26
Speaker 1: muzzle compression, you have to be within arm's reach. You
34:29
Speaker 1: have to extend your arm, place the gun against the
34:32
Speaker 1: chest of a living, breathing human being. Your husband feel
34:36
Speaker 1: the resistance of his body against the barrel, look him
34:39
Speaker 1: in the eye, and pull the trigger.
34:40
Speaker 2: It's incredibly intimate violence. Yes.
34:43
Speaker 1: This was not a frightened woman shooting at shadows in
34:46
Speaker 1: a panic. This was an execution at point-blank range.
34:49
Speaker 2: The physical evidence proves intent. It proves extreme proximity. It
34:54
Speaker 2: proves a level of cold calculation that completely contradicts every
34:57
Speaker 2: single hysterical word she uttered on that 911 call and
35:01
Speaker 2: every excuse she made in the interrogation room. She didn't
35:04
Speaker 2: shoot a shadow. She shot a man she was physically touching.
35:07
Speaker 1: And with this mountain of forensic evidence stacked against her,
35:11
Speaker 1: the timeline traps, the contradictory stories, the undeniable physics of
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Speaker 1: the muzzle compressions, we move into the final chapter of
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Speaker 1: this deep dive. The legal battle.
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Speaker 2: And this is where things get somehow even more ridiculous.
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Speaker 1: Right, because if you thought Cheryl's tendency to change her
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Speaker 1: story was audacious in the police station, what happens in
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Speaker 1: the courtroom reaches the absolute peak of arrogance.
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Speaker 2: The wheels of justice often turn slowly, especially when dealing
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Speaker 2: with complex forensic evidence and backlogged court systems. It takes
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Speaker 2: nearly four years for this case to finally reach a courtroom.
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Speaker 1: Four years?
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Speaker 2: In the early spring of 2025, Cheryl Coe faces trial
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Speaker 2: in Coweta County.
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Speaker 1: Let's look at the charges, because they are severe. She
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Speaker 1: is charged with malice murder, felony murder, and aggravated assault. Wait,
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Speaker 1: before we move on, what exactly is the legal difference
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Speaker 1: between malice murder and felony murder in a case like this?
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Speaker 1: Why charge her with both?
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Speaker 2: It's a great question about legal strategy. Malice murder in
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Speaker 2: Georgia means that the prosecution believes they can prove you
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Speaker 2: had the express or implied intent to kill someone unlawfully.
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Speaker 1: You thought about it, you meant to do it, and
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Speaker 1: you did it.
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Speaker 2: Right. Felony murder is slightly different. It means that while
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Speaker 2: you're in the commission of a dangerous felony, in this case,
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Speaker 2: aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, someone died as a
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Speaker 2: result of that felony.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so it's a slightly lower bar for intent. Exactly.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. You don't necessarily have to prove the specific intent
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Speaker 2: to kill for felony murder, only the intent to commit
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Speaker 2: the underlying dangerous felony that led to the death. Prosecutors
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Speaker 2: charge both to give the jury options depending on how
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Speaker 2: they interpret the evidence of intent.
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Speaker 1: And you would think with the muzzle compressions proving it
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Speaker 1: was a contact wound, with the timeline proving she had
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Speaker 1: 11 minutes of unaccounted time, that this would be an
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Speaker 1: open and shut case for the prosecution.
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Speaker 2: You would think so.
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Speaker 1: But incredibly, the first trial ends in a deadlocked jury.
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Speaker 1: A mistrial.
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Speaker 2: And why does it deadlock? Because Cheryl takes the biggest
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Speaker 2: gamble a defending can take. She takes the witness stand
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Speaker 2: in her own defense.
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Speaker 1: Which is wild.
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Speaker 2: And in front of a jury, under oath, she invents
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Speaker 2: yet another version of events. A third story.
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Speaker 1: She pivots again.
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Speaker 2: She pivots again.
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Speaker 1: I can't believe her lawyers let her do that.
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Speaker 2: Now, taking the stand is incredibly risky. The Fifth Amendment
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Speaker 2: protects defendants from being forced to testify... And defense attorneys
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Speaker 2: usually prefer their clients stay quiet, forcing the prosecution to
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Speaker 2: meet the burden of proof entirely on their own.
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Speaker 1: Because if you talk, you can mess up.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. When a defendant takes the stand, they open themselves
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Speaker 2: up to cross-examination. They put their own credibility on trial.
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Speaker 2: But Cheryl's decision to testify, abandoning her previous self-defense narrative
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Speaker 2: and trying a new angle, shows a profound, almost pathological
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Speaker 2: belief that she can out-talk the evidence.
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Speaker 1: We don't have the exact transcript of this third story
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Speaker 1: in our source material, but the strategy is clear. She
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Speaker 1: is throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks.
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Speaker 2: Just trying to find anything that a juror might buy.
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Speaker 1: And, tragically, in that first trial, she managed to confuse
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Speaker 1: just enough jurors to hang the verdict. It just shows
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Speaker 1: you the power of a charismatic liar on the stand.
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Speaker 1: A skilled storyteller can plant a seed of reasonable doubt,
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Speaker 1: even when the science says otherwise.
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Speaker 2: Jurors are human. They want to understand the why. If
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Speaker 2: a defendant can offer a narrative that plays on their
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Speaker 2: sympathies or creates just enough confusion about the timeline or
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Speaker 2: the forensics, they might hesitate to convict. It happens more
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Speaker 2: often than you'd think.
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Speaker 1: But the prosecutors in Coweta County were not going to
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Speaker 1: let this go. They retry her. The second trial begins,
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Speaker 1: and this is where the climax of the legal strategy
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Speaker 1: truly hits.
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Speaker 2: In the second trial, the prosecution is ready for her.
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Speaker 1: They know exactly what's coming.
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Speaker 2: They know she is going to lie, and they know
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Speaker 2: exactly how she operates on the stand. So when she
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Speaker 2: testifies again, the Coweta County prosecutor subjects her to a grueling,
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Speaker 2: meticulous cross-examination.
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Speaker 1: They don't just attack the logistics of her new story.
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Speaker 1: They attack her fundamental relationship with the truth.
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Speaker 2: They use a technique called impeachment by prior inconsistent statement.
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Speaker 2: They box her in.
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Speaker 1: And the highlight of the second trial is that the
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Speaker 1: prosecutor manages to back Cheryl into such a tight legal
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Speaker 1: corner that she explicitly admits on the record that she
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Speaker 1: lied under oath to the jury during her first trial.
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Speaker 2: That is a fatal blow. It is the absolute destruction
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Speaker 2: of defense.
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Speaker 1: Game over.
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Speaker 2: Once a defendant admits to committing perjury in the exact
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Speaker 2: same matter, their credibility is legally and practically reduced to zero.
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Speaker 2: You are sitting in the witness box looking at 12
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Speaker 2: new jurors and telling them, yes, I sat in this
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Speaker 2: exact chair a few months ago, swore to tell the truth,
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Speaker 2: and then I lied to people just like you to
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Speaker 2: save my own skin.
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Speaker 1: Why should this second jury believe a single syllable she utters?
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Speaker 2: They shouldn't.
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Speaker 1: And they didn't. The second jury did not buy the tears,
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Speaker 1: the shifting narratives, or the medical jargon. They looked at
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Speaker 1: the immutable physics of the muzzle compressions. They looked at
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Speaker 1: the mathematical impossibility of the timeline. And they returned a verdict.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl Coe was found guilty of malice murder, felony murder,
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Speaker 1: and aggravated assault.
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Speaker 2: The sentence was absolute. Life in prison without the chance
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Speaker 2: of parole. The records show she is currently serving that
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Speaker 2: sentence at the McRae Women's Facility in Georgia.
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Speaker 1: So when we step back and look at the entirety
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Speaker 1: of this deep dive, what does it all mean?
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Speaker 2: It's a lot to process.
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Speaker 1: We see a cascade of lies. We see a woman
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Speaker 1: who took a toxic, degrading relationship dynamic of failing open
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Speaker 1: marriage fraught with stonewalling and control and resolved it with
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Speaker 1: ultimate calculated violence. Right. And then... She relied on an
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Speaker 1: arrogant assumption that investigators could be easily fooled by a
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Speaker 1: performance of grief and a confusing, medication-heavy timeline. She built
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Speaker 1: a narrative based on what she thought people wanted to hear.
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Speaker 2: It speaks to the overarching theme of the hubris of
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Speaker 2: the criminal mind. Cheryl Coe genuinely believed she could outsmart
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Speaker 2: the room.
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Speaker 1: Because of her background.
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Speaker 2: Because she worked in a clinical environment for 27 years.
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Speaker 2: She thought she knew exactly how trauma was supposed to look.
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Speaker 2: She thought she knew the medical jargon to use to
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Speaker 2: buy credibility. She thought she could script the scene and
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Speaker 2: direct the players.
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Speaker 1: She forgot the science.
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Speaker 2: The science doesn't care about your script. The timestamps on
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Speaker 2: a 911 dispatch log don't care about your narrative. The
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Speaker 2: physical expansion of superheated gases leaving a gun barrel to
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Speaker 2: create a contact wound does not care about your claims
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Speaker 2: of firing warning shots from across the room.
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Speaker 1: No, it really doesn't.
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Speaker 2: Physical evidence is immune to manipulation. It stands as a silent,
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Speaker 2: unblinking witness to the truth.
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Speaker 1: Which leaves us with a final, lingering, frankly disturbing question
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Speaker 1: for you to mull over. I want you to think
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Speaker 1: about those 11 minutes. The 11 minutes between Cheryl's supposed
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Speaker 1: bedtime at 7.15 and the 911 call at 7.26.
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Speaker 2: It is a dark span of time.
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Speaker 1: It is. If we know that she didn't just wake
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Speaker 1: up and fire blindly in a panic because the timeline
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Speaker 1: proves it's impossible, and we know that she pressed the
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Speaker 1: gun directly, intimately into his chest because the forensics prove it,
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Speaker 1: what really happened in the silence of those 11 minutes.
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Speaker 2: Did they argue in whispers? Did he realize what was happening?
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Speaker 1: Or, even more chillingly, did she stand over him after
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Speaker 1: pulling the trigger, watching him bleed on the floor, while
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Speaker 1: she coldly calculated her first story? Did she rehearse her lines?
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Speaker 1: Did she formulate the narrative first? And the murder was
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Speaker 1: just the punchline to a story she had already written
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Speaker 1: in her head.
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Speaker 2: That's a terrifying thought.
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Speaker 1: We may never know the exact dialogue of those 11 minutes,
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Speaker 1: but we know they were filled with calculation, not chaos.
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Speaker 1: So the next time you hear a story that is
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Speaker 1: full of hyper-specific, unnecessary details like what someone usually drinks
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Speaker 1: or where a pair of flip-flops was located, ask yourself,
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Speaker 1: what is the speaker trying so desperately to hide? Until
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Speaker 1: next time.