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Speaker 1: Lone from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump warns Iranians to evacuate Tehran and
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Speaker 2: the roads fill as people flee the Iranian capital. The
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Speaker 2: Middle East crisis sees Donald Trump leave the G seven
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Speaker 2: summit in Canada. Early scrapping is planned meeting with Anthony Albernezi,
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Speaker 2: US military assets head towards the Middle East, but Trump
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Speaker 2: insists there is still time for Iran to accept a deal.
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Speaker 2: I'll cross to Israel tonight and speak with experts here
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Speaker 2: at home. Also plenty to discuss with Tim Blair, Suzi
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Speaker 2: O'Brien and Stephen Sennatiempo, including a bit of Aussie rock
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Speaker 2: and roll history about to be reinvented.
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Speaker 1: Let's get cracking.
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Speaker 2: Israel's stunning success in attacking Iran's nuclear weapons program, its
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Speaker 2: missile and air defenses as well, and its government and
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Speaker 2: military leadership has triggered tectonic shifts that are unfolding as
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Speaker 2: we go to air tonight. Missile alerts are being issued
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Speaker 2: in Israel, there are explosions across Iran, and Tehran is
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Speaker 2: in panic. Donald Trump has left the G seven summit
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Speaker 2: early in Canada to return to the White House and
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Speaker 2: deal with the Middle East crisis. He took to social
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Speaker 2: media warning Iranians to evacuate Tehran, and in the dead
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Speaker 2: of night, Iranians began doing just that, jamming highways out
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Speaker 2: of the Iranian capital. It's a city of ten million people,
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Speaker 2: surrounded by mountains, and it's been suffering targeted Israeli attacks
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Speaker 2: for four nights, including overnight tonight. People were fleeing Tehran
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Speaker 2: before President Trump's warning, but in recent our reports have
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Speaker 2: referred to gridlock out of the city. An Iranian television
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Speaker 2: presenter was interrupted when the studio was hit, apparently by
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Speaker 2: an Israeli strike.
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Speaker 1: Faso Jegoboro de estedi. She did pop up later in
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Speaker 1: another studio.
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Speaker 2: It's now ten thirty in the morning in Tehran, but
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Speaker 2: overnight at the United Nations in New York, the Israeli
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Speaker 2: ambassador addressed his message directly to Iranians.
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Speaker 3: People of Iwan. I will fight is not against you. Rather,
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Speaker 3: it is against the regime that oppresses you. We fight
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Speaker 3: the same regime that murders your daughters for demanding freedom,
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Speaker 3: Jim that suppresses your voices, poisons your rivers, burns your
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Speaker 3: votes and sends your sounds to die for its delusions.
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Speaker 3: We know the truths. You are not our enemies. You
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Speaker 3: are the first and most stragic victims.
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Speaker 1: Of the Ayatollahs.
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Speaker 2: Before President Trump left Canada, he pleaded with it round
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Speaker 2: to accept a deal the deal offered before but rejected,
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Speaker 2: a deal to end its push for nuclear weapons in
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Speaker 2: exchange for peace.
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Speaker 4: So I'm in constant touch, and as I've been saying,
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Speaker 4: I think a deal will be signed or something will happen,
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Speaker 4: but a deal will be signed, and I think Iran
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Speaker 4: is foolish not to sign one.
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Speaker 2: But with more US military assets moving to the Middle East,
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Speaker 2: the Defense Secretary spoke about American preparedness.
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Speaker 5: We're vigilant, we're prepared, and we've messaged from consistently from
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Speaker 5: the beginning that were in the region to defend our people,
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Speaker 5: in our assets, and Israel took an action out of
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Speaker 5: self defense. We believe that Iran, as President has said
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Speaker 5: from the beginning, should not have a nuclear weapon. That
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Speaker 5: position hasn't changed. They can give it up peacefully. That
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Speaker 5: position hasn't changed. And as a result, right now we've
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Speaker 5: got assets in the region and we're going to defend them.
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Speaker 2: Importantly, it's long been understood that Israel doesn't have the
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Speaker 2: bunker busting bombs that can penetrate far enough underground to
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Speaker 2: take out all of the RAN's nuclear facilities, which have
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Speaker 2: deliberately been built deep below the surface. But US smart
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Speaker 2: bombs delivered by B two stealth bombers can do this job.
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Speaker 2: And the question now is whether the US has decided
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Speaker 2: to finish that task, and whether they are deliberately escalating
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Speaker 2: pressure on Iran to give up and do a deal.
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Speaker 2: Either way, this is an opportunity too far gone to.
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Speaker 1: Be wasted by the US or Israel.
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Speaker 2: Not to mention the rest of the West world, the
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Speaker 2: Iranian pursuit of nuclear weapons has been the strategic threat
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Speaker 2: that has most troubled Israel and has worried the US
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Speaker 2: and European allies deeply for two decades. After the failure
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Speaker 2: of Barack Obama's deal and a European deal and endless
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Speaker 2: thumbing of the nose from Iran, as Israel and the
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Speaker 2: US have issued increasingly strident warnings, Israel took the crucial
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Speaker 2: step of launching its attack last week.
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Speaker 6: Israel has doing very well, as you probably noticed, and
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Speaker 6: I gave herun.
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Speaker 4: Sixty days and they said no. And the sixty first
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Speaker 4: year saw what happened day sixty one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the question now is whether the US is
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Speaker 2: going to finish this job, and if so, when and how.
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Speaker 2: Australia's role in this under Anthony Alberizi has been truly pathetic,
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Speaker 2: nothing but false equivalents.
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Speaker 1: For years, Australia's official position.
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Speaker 2: Has been to oppose Iran gaining nuclear weapons and to
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Speaker 2: help pressure it through sanctions, even though we maintain an
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Speaker 2: embassy in Tehran. But this week Albanisi and his Foreign
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Speaker 2: Minister Pennywong, who seemed to have an ideological disregard for Israel,
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Speaker 2: well they tried not to take sides. They failed to
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Speaker 2: support Israel's action against Iran, and they failed to strongly
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Speaker 2: demand that Iran abandoned its nuclear ambitions.
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Speaker 1: Instead, we've had weasel words.
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Speaker 7: Well, we are deeply concerned, and we have urged all
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Speaker 7: parties to prioritize dialogue and diplomacy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, a little chattel, do it, Albo.
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Speaker 2: Albanisi and Wang have made Australia irrelevant failing to stand
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Speaker 2: up against the malign influence of Iran, which exports terrorism,
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Speaker 2: is run by LA religious Zealots committed to obliterating Israel
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Speaker 2: and is working towards nuclear weapons. There is much to
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Speaker 2: play out here, but if Iran is forced to abandon
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Speaker 2: its nuclear program and it's prevented from attacking Israel and
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Speaker 2: sponsoring terrorism through its proxies, the world will be a
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Speaker 2: much safer place. It'll also send a stern warning to Russia,
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Speaker 2: China and North Korea. And if this happens, and let's
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Speaker 2: hope it does, the world will be indebted to Benjamin
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Speaker 2: Netanyahu and Donald Trump, to Israel and the US, and
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Speaker 2: Australia hasn't even offered moral support. One consequent of President
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Speaker 2: Trump's early departure from the G seven, a major consequence
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Speaker 2: for Australia is that his planned first bilateral meeting with
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi will not go ahead. Our Prime Minister once
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Speaker 2: had this to say about Donald trump.
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Speaker 1: Alliance with the US.
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Speaker 7: We're going to deal with him, but that doesn't mean
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Speaker 7: that you're uncritical about it.
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Speaker 1: He's scarce acad of me.
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Speaker 2: More recently, after a couple of phone calls since Trump's
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Speaker 2: election win last year and waiting six months for a meeting,
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Speaker 2: Albanzi was looking forward to the crucial meeting with the
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Speaker 2: commander in chief of our major security partner, and was
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Speaker 2: even planning to reissue an invitation for the President to
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Speaker 2: visit here down under world.
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Speaker 7: No doubt discuss this tomorrow and I won't preempt that.
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Speaker 7: But the President of the United States would always be
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Speaker 7: a welcome guest in Australia.
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Speaker 2: But now after the Prime Minister flew halfway around the world,
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Speaker 2: had to join the lesser dinner with the while the
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Speaker 2: g G seven leaders dined, of course with President Trump,
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Speaker 2: and of course with Albanezi, stealing himself for his twenty
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Speaker 2: minutes with the man he calls scary. Well, Albo has
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Speaker 2: now been stood up. Trump has bigger issues and more
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Speaker 2: important priorities just now, and Australia's efforts to escape punitive
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Speaker 2: tariffs and seek reassurance over the Orchist deal we'll have
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Speaker 2: to wait. This is awkward for Albanesi and just a
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Speaker 2: little embarrassing. Even though Trump's priorities are understandable. There was
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Speaker 2: no effort from the US to move the meeting forward
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Speaker 2: or squeeze it in before the President left, And you
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Speaker 2: have to ask yourself, why would President Trump go out
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Speaker 2: of his way for the Australian Prime Minister just now.
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Speaker 2: When I served as chief of staff for Foreign Minister
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Speaker 2: Alexander Downer in the Howard government, Australia's voice matted. We
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Speaker 2: stood up for our values and we tried to work
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Speaker 2: with the US who shared those values. There's no relationship
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Speaker 2: that's more important for this nation, but Alberanizi has treated
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Speaker 2: it with disdain. Apart from old abusive comments towards Trump
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Speaker 2: from Albou and many of his ministers, Australia has put
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Speaker 2: itself at odds with the US. The Albanesi government has
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Speaker 2: stuck with the doomed Paris net zero agenda, even when
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Speaker 2: the US has called time on it, and when US
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Speaker 2: Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said Australia should boost its defense spending,
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Speaker 2: Albernizi gave him short shrift. Instead of sensibly engaging on
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Speaker 2: an issue of critical importance to our alliance partners, and
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Speaker 2: most importantly on the pressing strategic and security issue of
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Speaker 2: the moment, Alberizi has failed to back Israel and failed
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Speaker 2: to back the US in its support for Israel. Alberizi
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Speaker 2: and his Foreign Minister Penny Wong have taken anti Israel
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Speaker 2: stances at the United Nations. They've slapped sanctions on democratically
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Speaker 2: elected Israeli politicians, and they've even refused to repudiate the
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Speaker 2: disgraceful and illegitimate warrants issued by the International Criminal Court
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Speaker 2: against the Israeli Prime Minister and Defense. So Australia has
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Speaker 2: repeatedly chosen not to align itself with US strategy, and
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Speaker 2: as if that's not bad enough, even over the past
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Speaker 2: few days, as Israel has responded to constant attacks orchestrated
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Speaker 2: by Iran and directly from Iran, and after Iran again
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Speaker 2: refused to abandon its nuclear weapons program, Israel attacked Iran,
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Speaker 2: and Australia has plumped itself firmly on the fence. The
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Speaker 2: US strongly supported Israel and demanded Iran abandoned yuks the
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Speaker 2: right and the strong option, and Australia has just sat
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Speaker 2: on the fence. That's not the diplomacy of a reliable ally.
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Speaker 2: History is unfolding and Australia doesn't know where it stands. Well,
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Speaker 2: many of us do, but our Prime minister and our
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Speaker 2: government don't. If Australia stood firm publicly with the US
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Speaker 2: and Israel defending values of democracy, freedom and sovereignty.
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Speaker 1: It would be a critical.
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Speaker 2: Player on the world stage and highly valued by the US.
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Speaker 1: But Albert Easy has made.
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Speaker 2: Australia invisible and irrelevant, just part of the weak mob
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Speaker 2: of nations that take their diplomatic cues from the EU
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Speaker 2: and the UN. So why would Trump go out of
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Speaker 2: his way to meet Albo? What could he possibly get
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Speaker 2: out of it? Let's go directly to Jerusalem now and
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Speaker 2: catch up with Jonathan Speyer, who's the director of research
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Speaker 2: for the Middle East Forum, joining us live from Jerusalem.
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Speaker 1: Great to talk to you again, Jonathan.
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Speaker 2: I've first got to ask you about the situation there
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Speaker 2: because I know you have had missile alerts in the
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Speaker 2: last hour or so. Can you give us any update
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Speaker 2: on the situation as it's unfolding.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there have been You are absolutely right in the
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Speaker 1: last hour.
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Speaker 8: I just received him a few minutes ago on my phone,
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Speaker 8: as we all do here. The fact of the matter
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Speaker 8: is that you know, the missiles coming from are ongoing,
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Speaker 8: but last night we had actually a smaller number of
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Speaker 8: missiles getting through than had been the case in previous nights.
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Speaker 8: Just about ten missiles got through. There's no reports either
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Speaker 8: of fatalities or even of injuries. So it means that
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Speaker 8: we actually had an easier night than in previous nights.
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Speaker 8: And there's a sense that just maybe our air force's
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Speaker 8: attacks on the missile launchers in Iran are having an
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Speaker 8: impact on the Iranian's ability to launch the matters.
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Speaker 1: That is encouraging news.
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Speaker 2: Now, I've got to get your take, as a respected
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Speaker 2: analyst of all things in Middle East security, what do
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Speaker 2: you make of Donald Trump's most recent actions, the warning
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Speaker 2: to Iranians to leave Tehran, the fact that he's heading
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Speaker 2: back to the White House, sending military assets to the region.
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Speaker 1: Does it look like the US is going to get
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Speaker 1: directly involved?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, the USS Nimitz carrier group heading for and add
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Speaker 8: least as well as Yeah, as you mentioned Trump leaving
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Speaker 8: the G seven early. Certainly there's clearly a coordinated attempt
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Speaker 8: to place very very heavy pressure on the Urians right now,
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Speaker 8: and they really have been taking a great deal of
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Speaker 8: the damage on every front. As to whether the United
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Speaker 8: States will in fact come in or it's very very
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Speaker 8: hard to predict, of course, but I mean, given the
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Speaker 8: events of the last three or four days, we should
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Speaker 8: not rule anything out. There is a sense strongly felt
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Speaker 8: here that unless the US comes in, it's difficult to
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Speaker 8: see how this can be brought to a conclusion anytime soon,
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Speaker 8: simply because, as you mentioned in your broadcast, the capacities
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Speaker 8: of our air force, formidable though they are, are not
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Speaker 8: such that they can rapidly do the kind of damage
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Speaker 8: to such installations as the fodoh Enrichmond plant to bring
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Speaker 8: this thing to a rapid close. The Americans could, of course,
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Speaker 8: So there is a sense that if we want this
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Speaker 8: thing to end anytime soon and put the kind of
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Speaker 8: pressure that needs to be put on Iran, then it
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Speaker 8: may well be that American assistance is needed. And the
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Speaker 8: indications of recent the last twenty four hours are that
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Speaker 8: that by no means an impossible proposition right now.
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Speaker 2: Now, what about the open encouragement from Benjamin Netanyahu, from
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, from the Israeli ambassador to the UN for
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Speaker 2: Iranians to effectively rise up against their own regime. It's
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Speaker 2: hard to get a read on what's happening in Tehran.
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Speaker 2: There's social media posts, but it's hard to verify them.
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Speaker 2: But that does seem to be some suggestion that this
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Speaker 2: is unleashing anger against the Mullers who control that country.
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Speaker 8: Yes, that's right, and there have been a number of
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Speaker 8: indications also from Tehran itself, but also from outlying and
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Speaker 8: regions of the country where ethnic minorities such as the
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Speaker 8: Kurds and the baluch A resident that there is that
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Speaker 8: underlying anger, and certainly among some of the political movements
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Speaker 8: there there are kind of calls for mobilization. Look, these
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Speaker 8: are very very hard things to quantify, you know, a
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Speaker 8: popular uprising, a revolution bringing down a regime, and not
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Speaker 8: the kind of things that you can measure or just
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Speaker 8: to repress a button, and they happen. There are historical
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Speaker 8: precedents for when a country or regime rather suffers a
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Speaker 8: military defeat, then the people use that opportunity to rise up.
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Speaker 8: We've seen that in the past. We can't predict it. Certainly,
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Speaker 8: this is a regime that has very very questionable legitimacy.
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Speaker 8: Many smart Iranians I speak to say around eighty percent
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Speaker 8: probably of Iranians reject this regime, especially among the younger generations,
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Speaker 8: of whom there are many in Iran. So there's a
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Speaker 8: sense that, yeah, there's a real possibility of this, but
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Speaker 8: it's hard to predict. But there are some indications this
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Speaker 8: may be starting to happen, and of course that's what
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Speaker 8: needs to happen.
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Speaker 1: At the end of the day. What needs to happen
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Speaker 1: is that.
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Speaker 8: This regime needs to vanish for any chance of real
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Speaker 8: productive movement forward, I would say in our region.
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Speaker 2: Spot on, Jonathan, thanks for sharing your analysis again, stay
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Speaker 2: safe and we'll be in touch again soon. Jonathan Spire there, analyst,
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Speaker 2: journalist and author live from a Jerusalem. Let's bring it
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Speaker 2: back to Australia now and catch up with Australia's former
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Speaker 2: ambassador to Israel, Dave Sharma, of course, now the Liberal
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Speaker 2: Senator for New Southward.
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Speaker 1: He joins us live from Sydney.
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Speaker 2: Dave, first up, let's look at the domestic angle here
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Speaker 2: and Anthony Alberesi missing out on his meeting.
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Speaker 1: With Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's priorities here are understandable, but it just shows
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Speaker 2: how I suppose irrelevant to Anthony Albanesi has made himself.
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Speaker 9: I think this has been an abject father of Australian
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Speaker 9: to primacy. Chris, I mean, yes, it's understandable. President Trump
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Speaker 9: has had to leave this meeting early and go back.
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Speaker 9: He had a number of meetings, bilateral meetings with world
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Speaker 9: leaders before he'd done so, but unlike every other world leader,
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Speaker 9: or nearly every other world leader who's made their way
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Speaker 9: to Washington over the past six months, whether it's the
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Speaker 9: German Chancellor, the French President, of the UK prime minister,
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Speaker 9: the Japanese Prime minister, the Jordanian King, any number of people,
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Speaker 9: Anthony Alberesi has not gone. He put everything, betting everything
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Speaker 9: on this meeting to try and get us out of
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Speaker 9: punitive tariffs, to try and secure the Orchest agreement, and
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Speaker 9: now it hasn't happened, and we're left flat footed.
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Speaker 1: You know, this is terrible. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: The point I made at the top of the program, though,
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Speaker 2: is if you just looked at the issue of the moment,
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Speaker 2: the Middle East crisis, and I'm sure the American Australian
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Speaker 2: relationship is going to thrive long term. We've got deeper
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Speaker 2: people to people economic and defense links, of course, But
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Speaker 2: if Trump's looking at this issue where he needs friends,
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Speaker 2: where he and Israel need friends and support.
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Speaker 1: He'll be very well aware that Anthony.
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Speaker 2: Alberesi and this goverment have signed up the sanctions against
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Speaker 2: Israeli ministers that have refused to repudiate the ib C
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Speaker 2: ruling against Benjamin nettin Yahoo and his Defense minister, and
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Speaker 2: we haven't even come out now strongly in support of
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Speaker 2: Iran taking out of Israel, taking out Iran's nuclear facilities.
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Speaker 2: So in international diplomacy at the moment, Australia is of
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Speaker 2: zero value to him.
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Speaker 9: We've made ourselves relevant, Chris under pettywalk and Anthony Albernezi
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Speaker 9: when it comes to the Middle East, we've made ourselves irrelevant.
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Speaker 9: You know, the first person that Pennywong spoke to after
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Speaker 9: this Israel Araan conflict broke was the Iranian Foreign Minister,
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Speaker 9: not the Israeli Prime Minister, not other allies as far
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Speaker 9: as I'm aware, the Iranian Foreign Minister. I mean, what
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Speaker 9: sort of a situation are we And this is part
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Speaker 9: of the Labor Party's obsession with process over outcome. If
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Speaker 9: you like the outcome here and Iran that has its
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Speaker 9: nuclear ambitions severely curtailed, that can no longer pose an
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Speaker 9: existential threat not only to Israel but to other countries
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Speaker 9: in the region, that is no longer providing support to
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Speaker 9: armed terrorist gripts in the region. That is an outcome
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Speaker 9: that we should be supporting here in Australia.
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Speaker 1: Well, this is the point right, this is ongoing.
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Speaker 2: A lot's going to unfold in coming days, but Australia
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Speaker 2: all hope is not lost now.
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Speaker 1: Of course, we don't have to do anything physically. This
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Speaker 1: is the beauty here.
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Speaker 2: It's just about our diplomacy and our positioning. We do
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Speaker 2: actually have an embassy in Tehran. But surely Anthony Albanezi
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Speaker 2: has to place on the record Australia's clear support for
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Speaker 2: Israel in attacking these nuclear facility and demand that Iran
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Speaker 2: repudiate them, dismantle them, and abandon those aspirations.
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Speaker 1: Surely that statement could be made today. It's not too late.
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Speaker 9: I don't think it should be difficult or controversial, and
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Speaker 9: a number of Western countries have done this to recognize
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Speaker 9: Israel's right to defend itself, recognize Israel's right to deal
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Speaker 9: with an existential threat clearly targeted towards that, and if
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Speaker 9: you want to encourage diplomacy in negotiation, encourage the Iranians
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Speaker 9: to abide by numerous HUM and Security Council resolutions, abandon
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Speaker 9: their nuclear weapon and enrichment programs, for swear continued support
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Speaker 9: to armed terrorist groups. These are all the things that
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Speaker 9: the US had asked for in negotiations with Iran Bilactroal
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Speaker 9: negotiations that Iran was simply unwilling.
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Speaker 1: To give up.
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Speaker 9: So, if you want to focus on diplomacy and dialogue,
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Speaker 9: and there's nothing wrong with that, focus on where the
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Speaker 9: problem and where the obstacle has.
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Speaker 1: Been here, all right?
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Speaker 2: So back to Anthony Albanie Donald Trump. When does he
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Speaker 2: next get a chance to meet with the President. Does
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Speaker 2: he offer to fly back through Washington or is did
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Speaker 2: he just have to look at something further down the track?
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Speaker 9: Well, look, I think this is what the embassy in
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Speaker 9: our ambassador needs to be scrambling to figure out.
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Speaker 10: Now.
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Speaker 9: I mean, as I said, they sort of bet the
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Speaker 9: house on a bilateral meeting happening at a multilateral meeting
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Speaker 9: in a pul side. That's always a risky endeavor. I mean,
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Speaker 9: you never want to have the first substantive interaction in
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Speaker 9: a close relationship like this in the margins of a
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Speaker 9: multilateral meeting. That's just bad practice. And you know how
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Speaker 9: this would have gone. Trup would have said, I need
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Speaker 9: to get back to Washington. He consults his staff, he says,
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Speaker 9: what else have we got on? They say, the Australian
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Speaker 9: Prime Minister and they all say, well, look, we can
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Speaker 9: probably skip that one. It's not that important compared to
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Speaker 9: the issues we're dealing with right now because we've made
21:48
Speaker 9: ourselves irrelevant on the Middle East. So I think Anthony
21:51
Speaker 9: Alberaneze needs to find and book in a time to
21:53
Speaker 9: be visiting the White House as soon as possible.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Dave, appreciate it.
21:58
Speaker 2: Dave Charmai, a Liberal Center for New South Wales, joining
22:01
Speaker 2: us live from the Sydney CBD.
22:02
Speaker 1: We're to get to a break on the other side
22:04
Speaker 1: of the break. We're going back to Jerusalem.
22:06
Speaker 2: Catch up with a freelance tour guy there. Friend of
22:08
Speaker 2: mine who's been bunkering down. Will also catch up with
22:11
Speaker 2: Tim Blair. Have a look at some of Tesla's self
22:13
Speaker 2: driving disasters. Lance escape to the wilds of western Victoria
22:22
Speaker 2: and catch up with Tim Blair from the Daily Telegraph.
22:24
Speaker 1: How are you going, Tim?
22:26
Speaker 10: Very good, my friend, bring good.
22:27
Speaker 2: Indeed, you're a breath of fresh air in your column,
22:30
Speaker 2: your latest column, because I've been looking for something to celebrate.
22:33
Speaker 2: You know, my footy team's lost, my kids' footy teams
22:36
Speaker 2: lost too.
22:36
Speaker 1: Not a lot going right. Just at the moment you
22:38
Speaker 1: found something to celebrate.
22:40
Speaker 2: We should Australia should celebrate the fiftieth anniversary of nineteen
22:44
Speaker 2: seventy five getting.
22:45
Speaker 1: Rid of the worst government ever.
22:47
Speaker 10: You reckon, well, it might not be the worst government
22:51
Speaker 10: by the time November eleven and the accent rolls around.
22:55
Speaker 10: As you've previously mentioned a couple of times in this
22:58
Speaker 10: show alone, Albo is doing it best to claim the
23:01
Speaker 10: Whitlam record of being the worst. But but yeah, I
23:04
Speaker 10: guess we've got to celebrate, you know, good times and
23:07
Speaker 10: getting way of Whitlam, even though the manner which it
23:10
Speaker 10: was done probably violated a few social norms or political
23:13
Speaker 10: sort of conveniences or conventions. But you know, the end result,
23:19
Speaker 10: no more Whitlam, which is a good thing. All we
23:21
Speaker 10: got out of, of course, in the long run was
23:23
Speaker 10: a Phraser government, which isn't much better. It's kind of
23:26
Speaker 10: a Albanese is in its own way. But yeah, we've
23:29
Speaker 10: got a chance to actually plan ahead, to get your
23:31
Speaker 10: seventies gear all out and have a proper, proper festival
23:34
Speaker 10: of it. Nomber eleven.
23:36
Speaker 2: I think there's an old pick here of a young
23:38
Speaker 2: political staff, a young political radical, Anthony Alberanzi with Gough.
23:43
Speaker 1: Whitlam and who had known it.
23:44
Speaker 2: There they are, many years later, competing for the title
23:47
Speaker 2: of worst prime minister in the nation's history.
23:51
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's a that's adeo to conjubit, isn't it. I mean, Jesus, well,
23:55
Speaker 10: you know, at least at least we've got decent dentistry happening. Now,
23:59
Speaker 10: go on, fixed up. I much have to send him
24:01
Speaker 10: a note and get my own done, because yeah, he's
24:03
Speaker 10: you got that, You've got those choppers.
24:05
Speaker 1: Al, he did a good job there.
24:07
Speaker 2: Look, the trouble is when you mentioned a labor party,
24:10
Speaker 2: is something related to a labor government?
24:12
Speaker 1: I was reminded of this party way back.
24:21
Speaker 2: There was something else to celebrate on this night. For
24:24
Speaker 2: too long, labor had danced to a different tune to
24:27
Speaker 2: the discordant clash of two overwhelming ambitions politicians dancing that
24:33
Speaker 2: you love it. That was when the kidding governments had
24:36
Speaker 2: put on a big party at Parliament House to celebrate
24:38
Speaker 2: its victory, thinking it was going to be anointed forever.
24:42
Speaker 10: Yeah, there's a reason for the odd saying that politics
24:44
Speaker 10: is for ugly people. It's also politics. There's also show
24:48
Speaker 10: viz that for people who can't dance properly. No sense
24:51
Speaker 10: of rhythm at all going on there. And this list
24:53
Speaker 10: might have also been the party. I think it featured
24:56
Speaker 10: a Julia Gillard in highest dipping modes, so jeez, he's
25:01
Speaker 10: actually po going.
25:02
Speaker 2: I think that I reckon that was Chris Shot. Chris Shott,
25:07
Speaker 2: the former Labor Senator from South Australia. Now I've got
25:11
Speaker 2: to move on to another favorite topic of yours, electric
25:13
Speaker 2: vehicles and some real concerns about how the self driving
25:18
Speaker 2: devices on teslas aren't really up to the job. In
25:21
Speaker 2: the US, when there's a school bus, there's a stop sign.
25:24
Speaker 2: Everyone's supposed to stop alongside the bus for safety reasons.
25:27
Speaker 1: Have a look what happens so here.
25:30
Speaker 11: The stop signs are out. They didn't put flashing lights
25:32
Speaker 11: on the stop signal obvious for it. It's not slowing
25:35
Speaker 11: down at all. It's visualizing it as a truck and
25:39
Speaker 11: darting out and again and because look it's still engaged.
25:49
Speaker 2: Oh, it just runs on over the injured. Look, this
25:52
Speaker 2: stuff's a worry right now. We all know about this
25:54
Speaker 2: technology is wonderful to help you drive, and I'm happy
25:57
Speaker 2: to have all that technology helping someone who's actually got
26:00
Speaker 2: their hands on the wheel driving the thing. But if
26:02
Speaker 2: we're just going to let them go drive us, the
26:04
Speaker 2: Lord knows what will happen.
26:07
Speaker 10: This is the thing is that they're trying to make it,
26:09
Speaker 10: you know, the advocates of these sort of you know,
26:11
Speaker 10: hands free things, they're trying to make us convinced that
26:14
Speaker 10: it's just like air travel. Although there's a perception, you know,
26:17
Speaker 10: because you're in the sky, because you know, anything goes wrong,
26:20
Speaker 10: we're going to plumber to air desk. But you know
26:22
Speaker 10: that they're trying to make it make us think that,
26:24
Speaker 10: you know, we were wrong about air travel. We know
26:26
Speaker 10: that air travel is the safest you know, per kilometer
26:29
Speaker 10: travel means of getting around. That's fine, but they're trying
26:32
Speaker 10: to do the same thing here. I'm not sure it's
26:34
Speaker 10: clicking with the public because we all know, we've all
26:38
Speaker 10: had close calls when things like this have occurred, when
26:40
Speaker 10: people have run out in front of us, well, something
26:43
Speaker 10: unexpected has occurred, and we know that, you know, being
26:46
Speaker 10: engaged as a human being and following the road and
26:49
Speaker 10: following all these sort of events in front of us,
26:52
Speaker 10: we know how to defeat these awful circumstances ninety nine
26:55
Speaker 10: percent of the time. And you know, God forbid any
26:57
Speaker 10: of us should be involved in one of the other events,
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Speaker 10: but to try and pretend that they've got the technology
27:02
Speaker 10: to that level that it's equal to airflight.
27:04
Speaker 1: Not yet, no way, no way, no way known.
27:07
Speaker 2: And yet all their taxation policies and the regulations are
27:11
Speaker 2: trying to drive more and more of us into electric vehicles.
27:14
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Tim.
27:15
Speaker 2: Will catch up catch up with you again later in
27:17
Speaker 2: the week. Tim Blair, there, you read his stuff in
27:19
Speaker 2: the Daily Telegraph. Get onto their website and read his
27:21
Speaker 2: column It's a cracker. Now we're going to get to
27:23
Speaker 2: a break on the other side, more on the tectonic
27:25
Speaker 2: shifts in the Middle East with expert Michael Shubridge. Also
27:28
Speaker 2: they will cross to Christen Tate in the US and
27:30
Speaker 2: find out what she's got to say about elbows snubbing
27:34
Speaker 2: by the President. Let's go to Michael Schubridge from Strategic
27:41
Speaker 2: Analysis Australia, joining us live from Canberra.
27:43
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us again, Michael.
27:46
Speaker 2: The statements from Donald Trump and from his Defense Secretary
27:49
Speaker 2: Pete Hegseth suggest that the United States is getting increasingly
27:54
Speaker 2: involved and focused on what's happening in Iran.
27:57
Speaker 1: What are you expecting to see unfold.
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Speaker 12: Well, Chris, I think you're right, and Donald Trump said,
28:04
Speaker 12: in response to being told that French President mccron had
28:08
Speaker 12: said Trump was going back to Washington because a ceasefire
28:11
Speaker 12: was on the table, Trump said, that's nonsense. Mccron is
28:15
Speaker 12: wrong again. I'm not going back because there's a ceasefire
28:18
Speaker 12: in prospect. It's something much bigger than that. That's a
28:21
Speaker 12: pretty disturbing signal. I think there's one obvious reason, which
28:26
Speaker 12: is America's helping defend Israel against the Iranian miss island
28:31
Speaker 12: drone attacks, and that's been quite successful. But the bigger
28:34
Speaker 12: issue is what happens to the world's oil supply through
28:37
Speaker 12: the Straits of Hormuz, And does Trump decide to help
28:42
Speaker 12: the Israelis destroy those deeply buried underground nuclear facilities.
28:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is the key question now.
28:49
Speaker 2: Of course, if any American assets or facilities had been attacked,
28:53
Speaker 2: America would be in very quickly in doing that. So
28:55
Speaker 2: it's a matter of whether that without that provocation they
28:58
Speaker 2: might do it. Anyway would just be such a waste
29:01
Speaker 2: given the years of diplomacy and sanctions and now the
29:05
Speaker 2: action from Israel to not wipe out those nuclear facilities.
29:12
Speaker 12: Well, the Israelis might be able to do it themselves.
29:15
Speaker 12: Everyone says, no, you need that giant bunker buster, only
29:18
Speaker 12: the American B two bombers can carry. But think about
29:22
Speaker 12: the way the Israelis destroyed the Hasbola leadership in that
29:26
Speaker 12: deeply buried underground command bunker in the middle of Beirut.
29:30
Speaker 12: They dropped the apartment block that they were hiding under,
29:33
Speaker 12: and then they drilled down through the rubble about three
29:36
Speaker 12: floors underground to kill the Hasbola leadership.
29:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, you never underestimate them. Underestimate them at your peril,
29:45
Speaker 2: as Iran is experiencing at the moment. The other aspect
29:48
Speaker 2: of what Donald Trump's had to say, of course, is
29:50
Speaker 2: his social media message directly to Iranians saying evacuate Tehran.
29:55
Speaker 1: Now, that had immediate effects.
29:57
Speaker 2: People were trying to leave anyway, but suddenly the high
30:00
Speaker 2: high ways will blocked. We've seen the video evidence of that.
30:03
Speaker 2: That obviously suggests some sort of an attack on Tehran
30:07
Speaker 2: or knowledge of what Israel is going to do in Tehran.
30:12
Speaker 12: Well, Tehran is the center of the Iranian regime and
30:15
Speaker 12: that's where they're trying to command their war against Israel from.
30:19
Speaker 12: So the Israelis started their strikes against Iran five days
30:24
Speaker 12: ago by striking key military sites and nuclear sites in
30:30
Speaker 12: Tehran itself and killing some of those top nuclear scientists there.
30:34
Speaker 12: So it's likely strikes against Tehran will continue. But I
30:38
Speaker 12: think it's the Iranians who are firing missiles out into
30:42
Speaker 12: the civilian areas of cities like Tel Aviv and Haifa.
30:46
Speaker 12: The Israelis, for all the criticism everyone levels at them,
30:50
Speaker 12: are showing the precision of their strikes in Iran.
30:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
30:55
Speaker 2: The Iranian attacks are just indiscriminate into interpopulated areas. There
31:00
Speaker 2: have been more missiles hitting the ground injury in Israel
31:05
Speaker 2: in the last couple of hours, we believe in central
31:08
Speaker 2: Israel and again near Hyfa, as you mentioned. We don't
31:11
Speaker 2: have any details of what damage has been done. But
31:13
Speaker 2: two bits of news that I've picked up while we've
31:16
Speaker 2: been on air, Michael, I like to get your.
31:18
Speaker 1: Thoughts on these.
31:19
Speaker 2: One is that the Iranian military commander was taken out
31:23
Speaker 2: in the initial strikes by Israel, and there are reports
31:26
Speaker 2: now that the bloke who replaced him has now been
31:28
Speaker 2: taken out by the Israeli. So they're concentrating on decapitating
31:32
Speaker 2: the military leadership. And secondly, there are reports that the
31:36
Speaker 2: US embassy staff in Israel have been told to stay
31:40
Speaker 2: at home today Tuesday in Israel, that the embassy won't
31:44
Speaker 2: be open again.
31:46
Speaker 1: These are all suggestions of imminent action.
31:51
Speaker 12: Well, yes, and I think Chris, you're exactly right that
31:55
Speaker 12: the Israeli plan, which they have been implementing ruthlessly effectively,
31:59
Speaker 12: has been in about paralyzing the Iranian military command so
32:04
Speaker 12: that it can't defend itself and it can't attack Israel successfully,
32:09
Speaker 12: so taking out they've taken out about three layers of
32:11
Speaker 12: the Iranian military command from the top down so far,
32:16
Speaker 12: and they've got a longer list, and they've obviously penetrated
32:19
Speaker 12: the Iranian system so well that they know where these
32:22
Speaker 12: people are. They're also being extremely effective in destroying Iranian
32:27
Speaker 12: missiles and launchers before Iran can launch anything, and that's
32:31
Speaker 12: what's limiting the strikes on Israel.
32:34
Speaker 2: Obviously they'd like to see regime change. What's your reading
32:38
Speaker 2: of the Iranian population, the likelihood of an uprising, the
32:42
Speaker 2: difficulties that that could in fact generate for those same people.
32:47
Speaker 12: Well, I think history tells us that in the middle
32:50
Speaker 12: of the war, a war besides something like the Revolution
32:54
Speaker 12: in Russia, which was after a disastrous war that went
32:56
Speaker 12: on for four years. Populations tend to rally around their
33:01
Speaker 12: government at least while the war was underway. But this
33:04
Speaker 12: Iranium regime is now so damaged and humiliated that it
33:09
Speaker 12: will have lost even the low public support that it
33:12
Speaker 12: ever had. Remember, they told the Iranian people they had
33:16
Speaker 12: a cunning plan to threaten Israel with creating their armed
33:19
Speaker 12: proxyes ham Us and Hasbola.
33:21
Speaker 1: They're both gone.
33:22
Speaker 12: They had another cunning plan that Israel would never attack
33:26
Speaker 12: them because they were so strong militarily. That's failed, and
33:30
Speaker 12: now they've brought the house down on the Iranian population.
33:33
Speaker 12: So it's the longer term damage to the regime, its
33:37
Speaker 12: credibility and grip on power, rather than what's happening right now.
33:41
Speaker 1: Michael, thanks for joining us again.
33:42
Speaker 2: Michael Schubridge there from Strategic Analysis Australia all over that
33:46
Speaker 2: as developments continued to unfold in the Middle East. Now,
33:49
Speaker 2: as I mentioned earlier, US President Donald Trump has left
33:52
Speaker 2: the G seven.
33:53
Speaker 1: He's in the air now.
33:54
Speaker 2: He left Canada and he's on his way back to
33:56
Speaker 2: Washington as we speak. He skipped that meeting with our
33:59
Speaker 2: Prime minister to turned to d C. He's dealing with
34:02
Speaker 2: the Middle East crisis. So he's the president speaking just
34:05
Speaker 2: before he left.
34:07
Speaker 4: You probably see what I see. And I have to
34:10
Speaker 4: be back as soon as they can and have dinner
34:13
Speaker 4: with these wonderful leaders, and then I get on a plane.
34:17
Speaker 1: I have to be back early. Yeah.
34:21
Speaker 2: I caught up with our US analyst Christen Tate earlier,
34:24
Speaker 2: and the first thing I put to her was that
34:25
Speaker 2: it was understandable that the president is shooting through given
34:29
Speaker 2: what's unfolding.
34:31
Speaker 13: Yes, of course, this is what's going on in Iran
34:35
Speaker 13: now is just consuming the president. He has made it
34:39
Speaker 13: very clear that Aran must not have a nuclear weapon,
34:42
Speaker 13: and he's trying to make sure that doesn't happen right now.
34:46
Speaker 2: Yes, extraordinary what he said in a truth social post,
34:49
Speaker 2: he said that Iran should have signed the deal that
34:52
Speaker 2: he told them to sign.
34:53
Speaker 1: What a shame and a waste of human life.
34:55
Speaker 2: He says, simply stated that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.
34:59
Speaker 1: I said it over and over again.
35:01
Speaker 2: Everyone should immediately evacuate Tyran. Now this is happening on
35:06
Speaker 2: the ground, people out leaving Tyran. It sounds like we
35:09
Speaker 2: can't jump the gun here, but it sounds like the
35:12
Speaker 2: US military at the president's paist is about to get
35:15
Speaker 2: actively involved.
35:18
Speaker 1: Well, we don't know that yet.
35:20
Speaker 13: One thing that Trump uses, a tool he uses which
35:23
Speaker 13: we know from his first term, is unpredictability. And just
35:26
Speaker 13: because Trump says Tran should evacuate does not necessarily mean
35:31
Speaker 13: that we're about to balm the city or anything like that.
35:33
Speaker 13: It could just be highly publicized Brett to force citizens, sorry,
35:39
Speaker 13: to force the nation into civilized international cooperation. But look, Chris,
35:45
Speaker 13: here's kind of the bottom line. I'm actually very grateful
35:48
Speaker 13: we have a leader like President Trump in this situation.
35:51
Speaker 13: It's exactly ten years ago, if you can believe it,
35:54
Speaker 13: that he came down that golden escalator and announced his
35:57
Speaker 13: intent to run for his first term. When he did that,
36:01
Speaker 13: he remade the Republican Party. He made the Republican Party
36:05
Speaker 13: into no longer the party of these forever wars you know,
36:08
Speaker 13: of nation building that just goes on and on forever.
36:12
Speaker 13: But you have to keep in mind he's also not
36:14
Speaker 13: an isolationist. He has been very clear that Ron must
36:18
Speaker 13: not get a nuclear weapon, and he is willing to
36:21
Speaker 13: use force when necessary. We've seen that again in his
36:25
Speaker 13: first term, So you know, I'm very glad we have
36:28
Speaker 13: him as a leader. It's a very difficult needle to thread.
36:31
Speaker 13: But if anyone can do it keeping his base happy
36:34
Speaker 13: and keeping peace with this situation, then Israel and I wrong,
36:38
Speaker 13: Trump is the man who can probably do it.
36:40
Speaker 1: Yeah.
36:41
Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned the ten year anniversary there of Trump
36:43
Speaker 2: basically entering politics by coming down that escalator.
36:46
Speaker 1: Perhaps more to the point.
36:48
Speaker 2: When it comes to the current situation that it's almost
36:50
Speaker 2: ten years to the week that Barack Obama claimbed he'd
36:55
Speaker 2: signed the deal that was going to stop around getting
36:57
Speaker 2: nuclear weapons. So everybody agrees didn't let around get nuclear weapons.
37:01
Speaker 2: So it's good now that there's an opportunity, thanks to
37:05
Speaker 2: Netanyahu and to Trump, that we might actually prevent this forever.
37:09
Speaker 2: And Donald Trump, you're right, he's still talking about doing.
37:12
Speaker 1: This with an agreement. He is more of what he
37:15
Speaker 1: had to say in Canada.
37:17
Speaker 6: Israel is doing very well, as you've probably noticed. And
37:24
Speaker 6: I gave her on sixty days and they said no.
37:30
Speaker 6: And the sixty first year saw what happened day sixty one.
37:35
Speaker 4: So I'm in constant touch. And as I've been saying,
37:39
Speaker 4: I think a deal will be signed or something will happen,
37:41
Speaker 4: but a deal will be signed. And I think Iran
37:45
Speaker 4: is foolish not this any one.
37:47
Speaker 2: Well, let's hope this is the way pans out, actually,
37:50
Speaker 2: because obviously Tyrana Iran has suffered enormous losses already. It's
37:55
Speaker 2: military and governmental facilities have been damaged, some of its
37:58
Speaker 2: energy resources. Let's hope they see san and do a
38:01
Speaker 2: deal to repudiate get rid of their nuclear weapons program forever.
38:05
Speaker 2: But I've got to get your thoughts, Kristen on the
38:08
Speaker 2: other aspect of this, and that is by Donald Trump's
38:10
Speaker 2: shooting through early from the G seven.
38:13
Speaker 1: He's not going to get to his meeting.
38:15
Speaker 2: He's first face to face meeting with our Prime Minister.
38:19
Speaker 1: Anthony Albanesi.
38:20
Speaker 2: He's been stranded, he's jilted there up in Canada and
38:24
Speaker 2: it's not going to happen. That's pretty embarrassing for Anthony Alberanzi.
38:28
Speaker 1: Do you think it would have even crossed Donald Trump's mind?
38:32
Speaker 13: Look, yeah, it's definitely embarrassing. But I do think that Trump,
38:35
Speaker 13: like all Americans, values the relationship between the US and Australia.
38:40
Speaker 13: Australia has been a very good friend to US here
38:42
Speaker 13: in the United States, and you know, I have no
38:45
Speaker 13: doubt that a very mutually beneficial trade deal is going
38:49
Speaker 13: to come between these two great nations at some point.
38:51
Speaker 13: But obviously Trump did have to deal with this very
38:54
Speaker 13: pressing situation.
38:55
Speaker 1: And also this is.
38:57
Speaker 13: Not very urgent for Trump. America has does have an
39:00
Speaker 13: upper hand with Australia, so I just don't think he
39:04
Speaker 13: sees the meeting as a point of urgency. But you know,
39:09
Speaker 13: I think everything will end well between the two nations
39:12
Speaker 13: and the trade deal eventually. I also do want to
39:14
Speaker 13: just say that your PM has made some very unwise
39:17
Speaker 13: comments about Trump in the past, so you know, as
39:21
Speaker 13: silly as it may sound, Trump may hold that against him.
39:24
Speaker 13: Trump takes personal comments about him very seriously, and it's
39:28
Speaker 13: not wise making comments about Trump that may not be
39:33
Speaker 13: flattering if you hope to do deals with him.
39:35
Speaker 2: Or negotiate you're absolutely right, Christin. But even more than that,
39:41
Speaker 2: our Prime Minister has made himself completely worthless when it
39:44
Speaker 2: comes to the current issue that's dominating the president's time,
39:48
Speaker 2: and that is the Middle East issue and the war
39:50
Speaker 2: between Israel and Iran. He hasn't been critical of Iran,
39:54
Speaker 2: he hasn't been supportive of Israel. In fact, he spent
39:57
Speaker 2: the past nighte eight months criticizing Israel.
40:00
Speaker 1: That makes him next to useless to Donald Trump.
40:04
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's exactly right, That is exactly right. So you know,
40:08
Speaker 13: I do think Trump still even still will have a
40:12
Speaker 13: great meeting with your PM eventually. He's said flattering things
40:15
Speaker 13: about him before, but it's just not at the top
40:18
Speaker 13: of his list right now.
40:20
Speaker 2: Indeed, thanks for joining us, Christ and I appreciate it
40:22
Speaker 2: as ever.
40:24
Speaker 13: Thank you very much, Chris.
40:26
Speaker 1: Okay, you're going to take a break again.
40:28
Speaker 2: On the other side, Cusi O'Brien and Stephen Senna Tiampai,
40:31
Speaker 2: we'll talk about a lot of things, but we'll have
40:33
Speaker 2: a look at a bit of Aussie rock and roll
40:34
Speaker 2: history that's.
40:35
Speaker 1: About to be reinvented.
40:41
Speaker 2: Let's get on with the panel now, and Cusio Brian
40:43
Speaker 2: from The Herald Sun joins us live from Melbourne and
40:46
Speaker 2: in Canberra Stephen Senna Tiempoid, breakfast radio host of two
40:49
Speaker 2: Double C.
40:50
Speaker 1: Good to have you both back on board, and good
40:53
Speaker 1: to know that the Middle.
40:54
Speaker 2: East peace process is in safe hands. There's a council
40:58
Speaker 2: on the northern beaches of Sydney that apparently is going
41:01
Speaker 2: to resolve everything.
41:03
Speaker 1: A twenty one year old.
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Speaker 2: Green's counselor is putting up a motion tonight, not about
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Speaker 2: the twenty five percent increase in their rates, but about
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Speaker 2: how then we need to cease fire in Gaza and
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Speaker 2: we should boycott Israeli companies and all the rest of
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Speaker 2: this brainless stuff. Susie, Honestly, when are these people going
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Speaker 2: to understand what their job is?
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Speaker 14: He's twenty one, what can you expect? Honestly, Look, there
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Speaker 14: are some really big issues in the Northern Beaches of
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Speaker 14: Sydney or North of Sydney at the moment, you know,
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Speaker 14: the twenty five percent rate increase, flooding, domestic violence, homelessness,
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Speaker 14: and this bright young spark thinks the most important issue
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Speaker 14: for him right now is to make sure that no
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Speaker 14: one thinks that his council is complicit in the war
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Speaker 14: on Gaza. I'm pretty sure they don't think the Northern
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Speaker 14: Beaches Council has played an active role in what is
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Speaker 14: happening over there in the Middle East. Young man, he
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Speaker 14: is holding it is holding a protest at a bus stop.
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Speaker 14: I think that tells you all we need to know
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Speaker 14: what'd say?
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Speaker 1: Mate, Get back to law school.
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Speaker 14: Learn a thing or two.
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Speaker 2: It probably makes him popular with the left at UNI.
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Speaker 2: But Stephen, what he needs to do is to set
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Speaker 2: up some sort of sister city relationship between his council
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Speaker 2: and the Gaza City Council and then he can offer
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Speaker 2: to go over there and do some work cleaning up
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Speaker 2: the joint.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 15: Look, the important thing to know is here that the
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Speaker 15: Hamas leadership will going to be watching the live stream
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Speaker 15: of the council tonight, as will Benjamin Nett and Yahoo
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Speaker 15: and her must will be going ha we told you,
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Speaker 15: and Bibby will go Well, we better change course now.
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Speaker 15: But look what this blog has forgotten is that Rhodes
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Speaker 15: rates and rubbish doesn't mean the rubbish coming out of
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Speaker 15: his mouth. It's about picking up the rubbish for his constituents.
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Speaker 15: But I thought the funniest thing here was that he
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Speaker 15: wants targeted support for Palestinian refugees living on the Northern beaches.
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Speaker 15: How many refuge he's of any he can afford to
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Speaker 15: live on the Northern beaches, I mean fair income. This
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Speaker 15: guy completely lost the plot. We need to raise the
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Speaker 15: age limit for representation. I mean, twenty one is far
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Speaker 15: too young to be on the counter.
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Speaker 2: It really sure is there's a senator got into the
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Speaker 2: Federal Parliament this time around.
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Speaker 1: He's only twenty one as well.
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Speaker 2: Now, Susie, there's this new phenomenon when it comes to
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Speaker 2: dating in this country because people organize their dates through
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Speaker 2: an app that they've never met, and one of them gets
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Speaker 2: to the cafe first and they end up being stranded
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Speaker 2: there right because the other person has sussed them out
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Speaker 2: from a distance and decided just to walk gone by.
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Speaker 2: So you offen see people just waiting forever at cafes
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Speaker 2: for the date that never turns up. Now, where I'm
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Speaker 2: going with this is that's Albo at the moment, isn't it?
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Speaker 2: That's albou wait waiting for his met with Donald Trump.
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Speaker 14: Oh, this is just so embarrassing. I mean it looks
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Speaker 14: as if he just turned his back on him and
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Speaker 14: he just completely walked away. And how can he talk
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Speaker 14: his way out of this one? I am still waiting
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Speaker 14: to get a proper explanation of this. Are in how embarrassing?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Look, I think Dave Sharma's right, Stephen, that Albo wears
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Speaker 2: a lot of blame for this because it's not just
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Speaker 2: about the moment.
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Speaker 1: The thing is here that Albo has.
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Speaker 2: Not tried or not succeeded in getting a proper meeting
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Speaker 2: turning up in Washington and meeting with him face to face.
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Speaker 2: Maybe he didn't want that because he'd get addressing down,
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Speaker 2: or maybe Trump wouldn't give it to him, so he's
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Speaker 2: reduced to turning up on the fringes of the G seven.
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Speaker 1: We don't have a place at the G seven. We're
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Speaker 1: just on the fringe.
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Speaker 2: Is hoping to get a little, you know, a side chat,
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Speaker 2: and it's all fallen over for him.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the point here.
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Speaker 15: I mean, it's understandable that Donald Trump has obviously got
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Speaker 15: bigger issues on his plate at the moment, but you're right,
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Speaker 15: Anthony Albernez. He has had ample time to try and
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Speaker 15: get face to face with the President of the United States,
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Speaker 15: with our most important strategic partner. He's done everything he
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Speaker 15: possibly can to and alienate that relationship, and yet turns
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Speaker 15: up to a party that he's not even really invited to,
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Speaker 15: hoping that he's going to get a meeting on the sidelines,
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Speaker 15: and then when it all falls apart, what's the backup plan.
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Speaker 2: It's gone a bloody long way for a free dinner
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Speaker 2: with a bunch of people who didn't really need to.
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Speaker 1: Meet with anyway. We'll see what happens.
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Speaker 2: Now, let's bring it back to your great state of Victoria, Susie.
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Speaker 2: You're always known, of course, the Victorian Labor government for
45:14
Speaker 2: its strong stance on law and order.
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Speaker 1: Well, maybe they're trying to catch up these days.
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Speaker 2: But these posts and post laws are interesting. If you're
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Speaker 2: done for a violent crime or other crimes for that
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Speaker 2: matter that do damage, and you post a video bragging
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Speaker 2: about them, it'llow actually increase your sentence. Probably A good
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Speaker 2: idea is that it aggravates the offense, doesn't it.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, And they're saying that, you know, an extra two
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Speaker 14: years in jail if you post and boast. And this
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Speaker 14: is for the kind of people who are you know,
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Speaker 14: there's videos of young people in a car there's four
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Speaker 14: of them, had a massive crash, and then there were
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Speaker 14: there was a video of video of them in the
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Speaker 14: wreckage holding.
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Speaker 1: Up like a big wads of notes.
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Speaker 14: And there was another example where someone had video of
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Speaker 14: like a deliberate attack on a motorcyclist came off his
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Speaker 14: bike and you could hear the young kids going, oh,
46:06
Speaker 14: he got him.
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Speaker 1: He got him.
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Speaker 14: I mean it's absolutely disgraceful. But you know what, I
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Speaker 14: think the Labor government can't be suggesting that they're sort
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Speaker 14: of out in front on this one. I mean they
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Speaker 14: turned it down a year ago, said they weren't ready
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Speaker 14: for it, and other states have already got this in place.
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Speaker 14: So well done, but you know, really about time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're catching up, aren't they. They're catching up about time. Now.
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Speaker 2: I want to give you a chance here as Stephen,
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Speaker 2: to promote a charity event you're involved in.
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Speaker 1: This is the Viny's CEO sleep Out.
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Speaker 2: You're not a CEO, but you're going to sleep out
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Speaker 2: Thursday night. And I tell you what, this is a
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Speaker 2: pretty cold event in a lot of cities around the country,
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Speaker 2: but it'll be bloody cold and Canberra I'm tipping.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, the forecast is of a minus five. But the
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Speaker 15: reality is, Look, there are over a thousand people, about
46:55
Speaker 15: fifteen hundred people here in canber any night that sleep
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Speaker 15: sleep rough across Australia over one hundred thousand. It's a
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Speaker 15: small sacrifice to sleep out for one night to try
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Speaker 15: and raise a bit of money for the Vinnie services
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Speaker 15: that they put on each and every night. They have
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Speaker 15: four sites around Canberra where they send their teams out
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Speaker 15: to try and help these people, and it's just become
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Speaker 15: frightening here where we've got people actually with jobs, with
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Speaker 15: good jobs, who are living in their cars because this
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Speaker 15: has become the most expensive city in Australia to live
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Speaker 15: in the cost of living crisis is really driving people
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Speaker 15: to despair. So I'm trying to do my little bit
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Speaker 15: and anybody that can donate dig Deep, go to CEO
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Speaker 15: sleep at dot org got au and do a search
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Speaker 15: for me and donate where you can.
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Speaker 2: Yeh, sponsor anyone you know, or sponsor Stephen in particular.
47:38
Speaker 2: Steven send us another story for Instagram and I'll recirculate
47:41
Speaker 2: it on my story so that people can click straight
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Speaker 2: through and sponsor you. It's a very very good cause
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Speaker 2: because Vinniy's do such fantastic work.
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Speaker 1: But I've got a bit.
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Speaker 2: Of a surprise for you because I've got a bit
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Speaker 2: of a soundtrack for the sleepout.
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Speaker 1: I've got a song I reckon might.
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Speaker 2: Go down will as you're trying to get through at
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Speaker 2: minus five degrees, have a listen. There we go, Susie,
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Speaker 2: that's in Melbourne. That film clip you're too young to
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Speaker 2: remember that film clip. I reckon it's the greatest film
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Speaker 2: clip ever filmed for rock and roll in Australia ac
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Speaker 2: DC doing It's a long way to the top.
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Speaker 1: If we want a rock and.
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Speaker 2: Roll They're just on a flatbed truck moving down I
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Speaker 2: think is at Swanson Street, but one of the main
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Speaker 2: streets in Melbourne. And anyway, the good news is the
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Speaker 2: rumor is that coming back to Melbourne, of course without
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Speaker 2: Bond Scott with the Johnson isn't it singing? And they're
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Speaker 2: going to redo this clip that'll be enormous.
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Speaker 14: Well, there's rumors that they're going to They're going to
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Speaker 14: be in town at the end of this year, fifty
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Speaker 14: years anniversary of this amazing iconic clip, and I just
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Speaker 14: love the thought of them coming back and doing it
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Speaker 14: all again.
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Speaker 1: I will be there.
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Speaker 14: I think, you know, they might need some safety berries,
48:52
Speaker 14: there might be some handrails, there might be a ram
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Speaker 14: going up onto the truck.
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Speaker 1: But you know what, who cares.
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Speaker 14: We like, you know, even if they're little bit geriatric,
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Speaker 14: these guys know how to party and we will be there,
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Speaker 14: absolutely count us in Melbournie's This is the story today
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Speaker 14: that has Melbourne talking. I tell you this is exciting.
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Speaker 1: I bet it'll be awesome.
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Speaker 2: If it happens, the place will be absolutely thumping.
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Speaker 1: Great stuff.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Stephen and Susie. Good luck Thursday night,
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Speaker 2: Stephen on that sleep. Great stuff, And we've got time
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Speaker 2: for some of your feedback. Yeah, just a little bit
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Speaker 2: of your feedback from last night's editorial about the Middle East.
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Speaker 1: Dave says, I'm.
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Speaker 2: Fifty one now and consider myself.
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Speaker 1: An Australian patriot.
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Speaker 2: I've never been more ashamed of the Labor Government's foreign
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Speaker 2: policy than this year. And another viewer, Rodney, says, yes,
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Speaker 2: Israel is defending civilization.
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Speaker 1: We should support Israel.
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Speaker 2: Spot on, Rodney, we should support Israel and we should
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Speaker 2: demand Ran do the right thing.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for watching. I'll see tomorrow night. Here's Peter Quedlin.