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#361: Telehealth Strategies, Disappearing Friends, Dumb Customers · Pod Therapy

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  Speaker 1: I'm Nick.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we got some great questions for today's show.
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  Speaker 1: Leading off is effective teletherapy? From anonymous. It seems that
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  Speaker 1: most therapists have switched to using video conference systems for
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  Speaker 1: therapy sessions. It seems hard to find anyone who will
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  Speaker 1: do in person sessions anymore. They both seem to be effective,
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  Speaker 1: Both seem to have their pros and cons. Is there
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  Speaker 1: anything someone should do to make video therapy as good
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  Speaker 1: as possible? One thing I was thinking was, when a
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  Speaker 1: patient has given all the prerequisites to run one side
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  Speaker 1: of the call, you need a computer with these specs,
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  Speaker 1: this sort of web browser, camera, et cetera. Maybe one
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  Speaker 1: of the prerect maybe one of the prerecs to suggest
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  Speaker 1: is that a box of tissues should be within arms reach.
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  Speaker 1: It usually is there for in person sessions, but it
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  Speaker 1: might be something that someone might not think about. In telehealth,
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  Speaker 1: I've seen some practice websites that suggest that you should
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  Speaker 1: close all other programs for performance reasons. Is it really
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  Speaker 1: that or is it so that you don't start scrolling
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  Speaker 1: through Reddit during a session. I usually move the window
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  Speaker 1: the video is in into its own desktop, so the
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  Speaker 1: other open windows aren't around during therapy, but everything is
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  Speaker 1: back in one place once I switched to the original desktop.
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  Speaker 1: For the times that I've had in person therapy, it
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  Speaker 1: was a bit of a break in the day. I
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  Speaker 1: had to drive from work, go to the office the
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  Speaker 1: practice was in wait in the waiting room, and then
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  Speaker 1: after the session drive back. Teletherapy doesn't take that same
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  Speaker 1: chunk out of the day, But on the other hand,
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  Speaker 1: it can be pretty abrupt. I can be working until
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  Speaker 1: the minute the session starts, still be in sitting in
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  Speaker 1: the same chair I've been in all morning, and then
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  Speaker 1: the moment the session ends, I can be right back
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  Speaker 1: to work with its accompanying pressures. It's almost that the
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  Speaker 1: going from location to location when therapy was in session
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  Speaker 1: separated it a bit and made it more of an
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  Speaker 1: explicit entry and exiting of a certain space, a certain feeling,
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  Speaker 1: and a different mode of attending. Would I be better
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  Speaker 1: off having therapy in a different room from my office,
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  Speaker 1: so I have to leave one and go to the other,
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  Speaker 1: maybe take a walk around the block after the therapy
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  Speaker 1: session before going back to work. If in person sessions
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  Speaker 1: and video sessions are different, what are the best ways
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  Speaker 1: of making either one more effective than it could be?
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  Speaker 1: Thanks Anonymous. I feel like there's something that's come up before, right,
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  Speaker 1: you know, not this flavor of it. I like this
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  Speaker 1: version of Look, I'm not you know, saying this is
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  Speaker 1: a bad thing. How can I do this in probably
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  Speaker 1: the best recommended way. Let's think about what the differences
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  Speaker 1: are like that, Yeah, this is a really.
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  Speaker 5: But I think we have talked about the action of
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  Speaker 5: going to the therapist's office and kind of having that
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  Speaker 5: time set aside, because.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people will say the drive to the office,
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  Speaker 1: they're gathering their thoughts, they're kind of doing an inventory.
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  Speaker 1: What am I going to talk about with this person?
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  Speaker 1: Whereas I'm sure the telehealth thing it is like that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you just like, Okay, you're doing one thing and.
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  Speaker 5: You set an alarm for five minutes before you joined
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  Speaker 5: the call.
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  Speaker 1: Problem run in the other room, you probably do and
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  Speaker 1: there's not that same prep.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean if if if therapy is like any emotional
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  Speaker 2: exercise of going to the gym, then it makes sense
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  Speaker 2: like you should have kind.
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  Speaker 3: Of a warm up exercise and you should have a
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  Speaker 3: cool down.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's kind of what the drive to and
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  Speaker 2: from kind of works as as it kind of serves
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  Speaker 2: that purpose of being a cool down and kind of
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  Speaker 2: be able to shift gears slowly. So yeah, if you're
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  Speaker 2: doing telehealth, I like the idea. I had not even
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  Speaker 2: thought of that, but I like the idea of like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, going.
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  Speaker 3: For a walk afterwards. Yeah, just around the flock, just
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  Speaker 3: to get out.
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  Speaker 1: So do something take ten minutes and you compress little.
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  Speaker 1: I think that there's a there's a best of both
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  Speaker 1: worlds here, because like, if you're in Vegas, which is
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  Speaker 1: a not heavy traffic town, you could be commuting thirty
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  Speaker 1: minutes too, and from that's an hour back out of
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  Speaker 1: your day that you lost plus hour of therapy. Plus
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  Speaker 1: you know, you might be hanging out in a waiting
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  Speaker 1: room because it's not all precise. You might get their
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  Speaker 1: fifteen minutes early, but you think about your walk suggestion
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  Speaker 1: it can be much more efficient and still get this
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  Speaker 1: effect where you take one quick lap around the block.
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  Speaker 1: You mean you're still saving a lot of time. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're still getting all that time back. And I think
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  Speaker 1: that you're being efficient with your day, but there is
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  Speaker 1: maybe room to create some kind of I like that.
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  Speaker 5: Well you're setting aside an hour, set aside an hour
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  Speaker 5: in twenty minutes. There you go do ten before ten afterward. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I like that a lot. The question of doing this
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  Speaker 5: in a different room this has come up. So I'm
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  Speaker 5: one hundred percent telehealth now, and this is something I've
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  Speaker 5: seen with other people. And it's interesting because I've talked
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  Speaker 5: to folks that specifically will move to like their kitchen table,
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  Speaker 5: and if they do work from home, that is part.
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  Speaker 5: And I'll say, like, oh, it's interesting because I know
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  Speaker 5: you work from home. You probably have a really good
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  Speaker 5: tech setup in your office like I do. But I'm
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  Speaker 5: intentionally doing this on the laptop in the living room
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  Speaker 5: on a couch because I want this to feel more
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  Speaker 5: natural to me.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to feel like I'm at work like
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  Speaker 1: that because I think a lot of people also get
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  Speaker 1: really distracted, and this is something I can tell and
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  Speaker 1: I always feel self conscious because I'm worried they're going
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  Speaker 1: to notice my eyes popping around. But I warned them
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  Speaker 1: in the beginning. I kind of do an orientation and
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  Speaker 1: tell them, like, if we were in office, you would
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  Speaker 1: not be surprised to notice my eyes are not transfixed
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  Speaker 1: upon you because I am often looking down and writing.
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  Speaker 1: The difference in office is you can see the thing
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  Speaker 1: I'm writing upon right, and it doesn't break the vibe.
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  Speaker 1: But in telehealth you can't. You don't just do the
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  Speaker 1: like the zoom filter where it's yeah I should Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I totally do that. I looked into a filter that
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  Speaker 1: makes your eyes always look like they're looking into the
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  Speaker 1: camera horrif. Yeah, yeah exactly.
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  Speaker 6: Can you also say it to never blink? Yes, it
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  Speaker 6: doesn't blink you. No, it just that comes in that
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  Speaker 6: is featured. Yeah, designed, never mind do that.
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  Speaker 1: But no, that will happen is you'll be talking to
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  Speaker 1: somebody and sometimes they're like they're getting pinged or they're
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  Speaker 1: getting messages. Is it like pop ups are happening, and
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  Speaker 1: so it's like okay, and and so I I like
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  Speaker 1: that idea writer of of maybe kind of interrupting the
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  Speaker 1: space and giving yourself permission to sort of get into
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  Speaker 1: a different mindset as well.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're at work too. I don't know how.
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  Speaker 4: It depends on your setup, where your car is at,
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  Speaker 4: and all of that. But I've had clients go out
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  Speaker 4: to their car if they need privacy. But that does depend.
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  Speaker 4: If it's like summer in Vegas, you probably can't.
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  Speaker 1: Be matter crank so loud you can't hear them.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but if you're in a mad climate, you can
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  Speaker 4: go into a garage or some space like that. I
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  Speaker 4: meant like covered garage, yes, and your personal garage.
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  Speaker 1: Closer, closer. Damn it, Jesus, everybody's getting this. Everybody. This
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  Speaker 1: game is the master. This is dumb.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, what about the thing with shutting down the other programs?
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  Speaker 5: Because when when the writer first said that, I assumed, no,
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  Speaker 5: this is just a thing that they tell people because
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  Speaker 5: some people have shitty computers and can't run multiple programs.
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  Speaker 5: But do you think there is something to the kind
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  Speaker 5: of eliminating distractions?
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  Speaker 4: I really yeah. I I mean maybe knock on Wood
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  Speaker 4: have just been lucky, But I have not really noticed
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  Speaker 4: a huge problem with a client like looking around or
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  Speaker 4: doing other things. There's only one client that this came up,
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  Speaker 4: and that was because they were on the spectrum and
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  Speaker 4: ADHD and it was like if they weren't doing other things,
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  Speaker 4: it like messed with them. They that kind of helped
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  Speaker 4: them focus. Oh yes, yes, exactly. They needed something to
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  Speaker 4: be doing so they could talk and be more open
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  Speaker 4: because it's very difficult for them.
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  Speaker 2: I went to this morning in Vegas. There was a
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  Speaker 2: round table discussion on problem gambling in Nevada.
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  Speaker 4: That's a problem here, can believe it or not.
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  Speaker 1: The problem is they're not gambling enough. Yeah, yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: gotta work. Was the table at craps table.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't but I did have a problem because it
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  Speaker 2: was a rectangle.
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  Speaker 3: It was not round, and that.
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  Speaker 5: I don't advertise it as a round table exactly if
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  Speaker 5: you're going to just show up and have a rec
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  Speaker 5: table take catfish.
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  Speaker 2: But one of the things that they had they had
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  Speaker 2: when they put this on, they bought a whole bunch
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  Speaker 2: of just random.
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  Speaker 3: Knickknacks to have at the table all the way around.
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  Speaker 2: And so I was constantly just playing with something like
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  Speaker 2: I was paying attention, but I just like that well
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  Speaker 2: ship right now, like I've got a bottle open.
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  Speaker 4: In my hand.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a bottle of it on Nick's thumb.
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  Speaker 3: Always have this, and I'm always there.
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  Speaker 1: Always that's gems.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's always something that I have on with
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  Speaker 2: my hands, and so I can totally understand that. Like
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  Speaker 2: with the web browser thing, I probably if I was
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  Speaker 2: the counselor or therapist, I wouldn't even bring it up
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  Speaker 2: unless it became a problem.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so hard because I I feel like colleagues
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  Speaker 4: of mine have mentioned issues like their client would be
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  Speaker 4: like going through a drive through or something crazy, and
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I have mixed feelings about that.
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  Speaker 1: So like you could say, don't be driving, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean but that will happen often is I'll jump
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  Speaker 1: into the zoom and the they're in their car and
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  Speaker 1: I can tell they're driving. They're like, hey, I am
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  Speaker 1: five minutes away from home. I'm sorry, which goes back
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  Speaker 1: to the author's point of like sometimes you time this
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  Speaker 1: too close right and you don't have that same loading zone.
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  Speaker 1: And you know why, I think every telehealth therapist has
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  Speaker 1: a procedure for that, you know of like okay, we're
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  Speaker 1: turning off zoom. You know, we're going to phone at
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  Speaker 1: a minimum, or we're waiting like until you're in a.
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  Speaker 4: Safe actually would text my therapist I'm going to be
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  Speaker 4: five minutes late.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, so there's there's definitely some safety procedures there.
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  Speaker 1: But I do see a lot of folks that will
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  Speaker 1: actually choose intentionally to do therapy and take a walk
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  Speaker 1: or something to that, like.
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  Speaker 4: Walk and talk. Yeah, and I would clean sometimes. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: they're like, hey, I'm just going to clean my partner
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  Speaker 4: like that.
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  Speaker 1: This is an option. And again just going back to
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  Speaker 1: the stimming and like some people benefit from having this
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  Speaker 1: other thing that they can do.
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  Speaker 5: Like going and doing therapy just like sitting out in
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  Speaker 5: a little neighborhood park or something.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, just sounds lovely. Yeah, I've definitely seen people. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: obviously over the years, I've seen you know, everybody do
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  Speaker 1: everything at this point. But it val you have how
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  Speaker 1: there it is? Damn it. You know, I don't like
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  Speaker 1: that I'm setting them up like that. That upsets me, Like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to get mine in there and
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  Speaker 1: nobody laughs, and then I'm setting them up. Nobody wance
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  Speaker 1: your is in there? Yeah, damn it, damn it's patroon
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  Speaker 1: dot Com slash therapy. Uh to be in on the jokes,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, so like I definitely am okay with that.
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  Speaker 1: I think that I like the diversity. I like that
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  Speaker 1: people can do it if you're trying to maximize the experience.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I don't. I've never been too fussy about
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  Speaker 1: like you have to close all your programs or anything that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't give a lot of instructions to people because
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  Speaker 1: I want it to be simple. But I do have
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  Speaker 1: a bone to pick about this.
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  Speaker 3: On there.
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  Speaker 1: It is so not okay tacking the layoute just pause
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  Speaker 1: for it. Yeah, yeah, good point. So I don't like
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  Speaker 1: just force it in there. God damn it, it worked.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you didn't you You just did it too good?
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  Speaker 1: All right? But no, like so like one thing that
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  Speaker 1: bothers me. As the writer said, a lot of therapists
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  Speaker 1: are going to tell Fine, there's a lot of reasons
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  Speaker 1: for that. I think a this healthcare medium turned out
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  Speaker 1: to lend itself to this and we didn't see it
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  Speaker 1: a drop in efficacy, which is fantastic, that's great, But
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  Speaker 1: also the affordability I think for the model. We all
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  Speaker 1: already know that mental health struggles for profitability, and so
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  Speaker 1: that's taken away a lot of overhead for a lot
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  Speaker 1: of therapists. That allows them to get a little closer
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  Speaker 1: to profitability, which is making the profession more sustainable, to
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  Speaker 1: attracting more people into it. There's a lot of things
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  Speaker 1: I think is really good about this model. But one
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  Speaker 1: thing that gets me a little upset is when I
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  Speaker 1: therapists that get like the freest, cheapest telehealth platform that
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  Speaker 1: they can use, and I don't. I'm really tempted to
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  Speaker 1: name check, but I don't want anybody out there to
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  Speaker 1: get itchy if they're like my therapist. They don't just
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  Speaker 1: like pay fors like Zoom Pro or something. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of them don't, So like I pay not only for Zoom,
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  Speaker 1: but like for the hippo compliant level of Zoom. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: which is nice because it's like a you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: the VIP one or what it's not. No, it's like
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  Speaker 1: fifty bucks a month, exactly, which I should. I don't
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  Speaker 1: pay office rent anymore.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, fine.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I traded nine hundred dollars in office rent
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  Speaker 1: for fifty dollars a month to run a good version
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  Speaker 1: of Zoom.
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  Speaker 5: But then that's not therapists that are having to like
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  Speaker 5: kick their clients off of the Zoom meeting because their
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  Speaker 5: hour is up.
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  Speaker 1: Are there, it's forty five minutes And there are people
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  Speaker 1: using the free versions. That's what I mean. That offends me.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you should do that. There's people using
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  Speaker 1: well I'll name check a few. Doxy dot Me is
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  Speaker 1: another one that's like free, and there's some other really
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  Speaker 1: cheap o ones. It was like a Vimeo or Visio,
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  Speaker 1: and like I always high practices that instruct all of
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  Speaker 1: their therapists. This is the one we use and always
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  Speaker 1: get made. Well, yeah it's not hip a compliant.
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  Speaker 3: That's problematical.
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  Speaker 1: Well they are hip a compliant, but they're like these
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  Speaker 1: weird free like platforms that are trying to like sell something.
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  Speaker 4: Else that I was going to say, there's some other angle.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Where's the money? Yeah, and so like I don't like
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: it because you get what you pay for, like the
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: I think the patient deserves a polished, good, reliable experience.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Which is why I like Zoom because it's it's like, look,
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: it's going to work, Like you install it on your device,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: it will work across every device and everybody knows how
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: to use it. It works or it's just it's kind
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: of just out there and I'm paying for it, right,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: I'm going to pay to make sure it's the good
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: version of this. Your platform is going to work, there's
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: not if there's an interruption, it's gonna be internet based,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: not going to be the program. So I mean that's
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: something that I you don't have any control over that, writer,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: because like ultimately your therapist is going to choose whatever
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: platform works for them. And a lot of our electronic
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: health records now where we keep your medical notes, those
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: are now often coming with the built in telehealth side,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: which I'm fine with. I think it's a great one
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: stop shop. But the question has always been are they
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: good at this yet? And for the longest time, I
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: don't know if they're good at this yet. Because the
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: telehealth or the electronic health record I use it offers it.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: I refuse to pay for it because no, I'm going
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: to use the company who does just this. Yeah, they
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: only do video conferencing and they're really good at it,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: and they have a whole fleet of people just updating
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: that and protecting that. Like I don't want to do
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: like a C plus job at the Telegraph.
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: I didn't know about this hippo compliant thing on Zoom
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: is a whole thing. Yeah, And that was one of
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: the reasons Zoom got ahead of this back during COVID
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: is all the other platforms weren't hippo compliant, right, and
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: so there was a race to get there, and Zoom
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: had already done it, and it had just come out
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: that they had just said, Hey, we're going to just
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: create baas and have hippo compliance to pay for it. Now,
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: the really frustrating part of what you're too is that
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: the hippocampliant starts on Zoom at just the pro level, yeah,
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: which is one hundred and sixty dollars a year.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, which I pay more than that, right,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Oh that's like the base pro level though.
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but you could start doing the hippoc compliance stuff
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: even at that level.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure you get more benefits and you figure
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: out what you do for that cost. If you're a
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: therapist out there and you're not, you should just have
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: good platforms one hundred and sixty bucks for the.
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: Year and then you don't have to like sign off
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: after an hour and then make a new meeting and
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: all that pay less than that to renew your license.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, hey that yeah CEUs Jesus. Yeah, unless you're
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: me and you try to break the system getting free CEUs.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which we talk about at work all the time.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Really, I love it was such did we talk about show?
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: I don't think it up. Let's take a moment to
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: really appreciate. Do you want to shyster?
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Do you want to finish the letter and.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Then do that?
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fine, we'll do it during trivia.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: What do you think about setting up like with the tissues.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: And by the way, right you're welcome.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I know I was really going on.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: I don't like the giving somebody a prep guide, like,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: you know, make sure you have a glass of water,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: make sure you have your tissues. I mean I do
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: like I have a little bit of prep that just
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: says here's the link, here's how you get it. And
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: then in my Informed Consent packet, I have a section
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: that talks about telehealth and it says some things like, hey,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: you it's your responsibility to see be somewhere private. I
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: can't protect your privacy like in your home or you know,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: if you're choosing to do this in like a car
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: with the windows now whatever, I don't, And I can't
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: control your tech if somebody's snooping on you and you
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: don't know that, Yeah, if your computer has a virus
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: on it, I don't have the ability to protect that.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: So I mean there are some walkthroughs in there that
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: basically say some you know, safety guidelines and some privacy guidelines,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: but not all the way down to like, you know,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: make sure you're wearing pants, like that's not my business.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, because like you're your role or your.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Obligation in the djobn clan.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Your obligation as the therapist is to like control.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: The environment of like for confidentiality.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: But the problem is is that you know, that's a
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: shared environment when you're in person, it's not a shared
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: environment over telehealth. So you can the therapist can only
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: control their half of it, and they have to give
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: the other half of that control over to you, the patient,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: And it's you know, and but you know that's up
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: to you, you know, because you know it would be
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: the same as if you decided to go home and
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: tell somebody about your therapy session. Right, you can do that,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: right because you can self discoss and so this comes
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: up a lot. So this is One of the areas
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: that actually has made me itchy over the years is
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I'll see person who is in car, they're clearly in
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: passenger seat, car is clearly moving, oh yeah, and say that,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: and they're not wearing.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Headphones and they're like, hey, Jim, how's it going. And
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't even want to begin talking until
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: you have announced who the driver is and what is
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: going on, and so, you know, I'll bring it up,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, you're on the road, who's out there?
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, you know, I'm kind of heavy on. I
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: need to know who this person is. And they'll be like, oh,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: it's just my husband. But I've told him, you know,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: we are free to do this in front of him.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I don't keep secrets from him. But that shit has
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: backfired on me in life where I've had somebody come
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: in and be like, oh, yeah, I brought my son
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: to session today. He knows everything, Jim. It's like he
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: knows that you go to like gay BDSM clubs behind
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: his mom's back. I'm he doesn't drives, so that can
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: backfire really fast and that. But you're right though, And
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: we've had like new therapists that are like, oh, we
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: have to shut down the session immediately. It's like no, no, no,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: you technically don't. Like they have the right. They could
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: bring that person to the room if they wanted to,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: if you were in person, and they have the right
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: to tell them anything any time. Like, you just need
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: to be aware and you need to be very thoughtful
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: about what you're saying back and forth, because it's not
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: because that person's in the session doesn't mean you can
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: just gush now and be like okay, well, anyway, last
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: week you talked about how you're having an affair with
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: your coworker. You know, you just launch into that.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: But here's the other This gets really mucky when it
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: talked about uh confident challenge. Yeah, because HIPPA prevents unauthorized disclosure.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Of information by the provider by the provider.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, but what is authorized, right, because we don't have
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: that specify exactly, we don't know.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: And so so there's.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: This to play very careful defense.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's a situation where you know, they can
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: say oh, yeah, it's it's fine, it's fine, yeah, and
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: then you say something yeah and they're like, well that's
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: not fine. You cannot volunteer nothing that you you can't
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: unring the bell, so you don't know where the lines are.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: They can't they can't give informed consent for disclosure because
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: they don't know what you're going to.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Say in advance.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: It's just it's a mess.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not a good situation.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: So I don't love it. But when it happens, I
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: basically just go with your taking the lead, and I'll
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: tell them that. I'll say things like, so just listen.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Whenever there's an audience here, I do not take the lead,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: and you know, ask questions based on things I've heard
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: in the past or things I want to follow up on. Yeah,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: it's going to be very going to take the lead,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: and we're going to go with what is on your
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: mind today, and we might talk about deeper things in
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: private where that's meant to be done. And usually when
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: you frame it that way, the passengers like, oh, absolutely,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: of course, you know, I don't want to blah blah blah,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, great, so let's do whatever version
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: of therapy you wanted to do today.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think as far as having things around you,
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: what I'll normally do with clients is when I know
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: there's something like maybe we're going to talk about they've mentioned. Yeah,
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: next session, I want to talk about, you know, the
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: death of my father or something like that. Or we
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: go into session and I can tell something's really heavy
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: and we're they're in their bedroom, you know whatever. I'll
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: be like, oh, well, get cozy. Do you want to
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: go grab a glass of water, like, get your favorite blanket,
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: is your puppy nearby? Like I will kind of give
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: them permission, like do you need to get like yea
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: more comfortable or whatever, And most of the time they'll
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: be like, you know what, yeah, let me take just
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: a minute and like make sure I have all my
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: stuff around me or whatever.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Which another another thing I love about telling you
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: it is so cool. I have had sessions where somebody
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: just has their dog oh yeah, and it's just.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: That's my favorite is meeting.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Oh that's the best. I love meeting pets. I love
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: meeting babies. I love whenever they just are walking around
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: the house and I'm like.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: Getting the whole thing. You're like, hey, well, I love it, Like.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we just got this thing we amu. Let
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: me show you what. Yeah, we got this new kitchen table. Cool,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: this is awesome, totally yeah, that's the best. Or they're
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: like they're really proud of their desk because they have
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: like cool legos and all over. Let me show you
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: all my chokes, Like yeah, anyway, rider, there's there's no
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: wrong way to do it. The good news is is
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: that I like that you're being mindful. I want you
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: focused on getting the best experience you can. I really
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: like the advice of the warm up and cool off.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: I think that if that's something you've noticed has helped
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: you in the past, incorporate that into this. Make that
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: our intentional. Don't just make it one more squeezed in
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: quick meeting in between other things, when you can give yourself,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: as Jacob said, just ten in the front, ten afterward,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: just to have that warm up, to get your thoughts gathered,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: to think about what you're gonna say today, and then
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: that ten minute reflection period to think about what did
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: we talk about today? How am I feeling after that?
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: And where do I want to go next? And what's
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: my homework? What am I doing? That kind of stuff
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: goes a long way, so I love it. We're gonna
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: take a quick break and when we come back, we're
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: talking about the amazing disappearing friend. You're listening to Pop Therapy.
• 25:41
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• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Okay, want some office trivia again?
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: I love it?
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, Jim, it's your birthday, you get to start us off.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: What is Kevin's band called?
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Oh Ship?
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: So?
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: What are our rules on this?
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Is it?
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Is it too? If you fly or go for the options?
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I need the options.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: Scrantnicity, Kevin and the zits Scrantnicity two or Dunderheads.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Damn it, give me scranticity too. That's it?
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: The answer says scranticity. But I think that's wrong. I
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: think it is screata.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: Wait wait, no, I think the other parts of I
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: don't think he split off.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I think part of his other band.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: I think part of his band split off and made
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: Scrantnicity too. He talks about them somewhere, yes, And I
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: think he doesn't like them.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Yes, I'm gonna give you half a point, Jim.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Right, Wait, all right, damn it?
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: What fake disease does Dwight invent to scare his coworkers?
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: Oh, to scare his coworkers? I guess I need the options.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Spontaneous dental hydro hydroplosia. Uh, count choculitis, hot dog fingers,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: reverse ebola?
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: What?
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: Uh?
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: I don't know the dental one the first one?
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Correct?
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Yes, when he went to crentis the dentist.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Uh, Jacob? All right, what is the first prank Jim
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: ever pulled on Dwight? Oh?
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I think it's the jello. I think it's it is.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Did you ever see the one where Jim is trying
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: to play pranks on Dwight to make Stanley laugh and
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: realize that the only thing that makes Stanley laugh is
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: putting meatballs and ship. Yeah, And so he's like filling
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: his drawer with meatballs, and like Jim's at one point,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: he is getting so into this that he's like, dude,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I'm like up all night making meatballs now for these jokes.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: And then afterward it turns out Stanley and Dwight are
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: scamming Jim and they're just splitting all the meatballs. I
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: don't remember.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Well, so CEUs.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: So we get what are CEUs Continuing education units?
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, they're classes we have to take.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: Like I just heard this story for the first time
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: and it's amazing.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: So, Jim, So I work for an organization that teach,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: that provides training.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Okay, so we get a ton of CEUs.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: When I have to renew my license, I'd never have
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: to worry.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: I never have to worry.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I just look at what I've done throughout the perspective.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: The price of a CEU, like we need a lot.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Like for us, we renew every two years. And I
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: have two licenses, so I have a fuck ton.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Cheapest is usually sixty five dollars and that's only for
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: like an hour and a half.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's getting one point five credits I usually need
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I think like forty to fifty credits. I knew my license.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: So because I work for an organization that provides all
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: these I basically I get them for free.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: And so it's a big, big perk of the huge perk.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Jim comes to work for this organization. For literally ten minutes,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: I got an.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: Email I was there long enough, Jim, we can't take
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: you anywhere.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: And so anytime one of these is ordered and the
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: discount code is used.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Which I didn't know. I didn't know that, they get notified.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Nobody knew that. Okay, I was there. I got the
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: orientation email. It said, hey, by the way, now that
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: you're a member of the team, you get free CEUs.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I didn't read past that line.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: So all of a sudden, the supervisor's like, why is
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Jim downloading twenty five courses?
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I had two thousand dollars of free fucking courses in
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: my car. I was smashing that fucking coupon code and
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I bought him all in ten minutes. And it was
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: the ten minutes after they had called to let me
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: know they were laying me off because they weren't gonna
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: need me because I was signed up to teach a
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: class with them, and they were like, hey, Jim, we
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: ended up getting somebody else for that, and you mentioned
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: you were gonna do more at UNLV, so I think
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: we're just gonna part ways. And I was like, totally great,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: and immediately dove onto their website and started to tell
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: them every card. So then I got a text from Nick, Hey, man,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: did you just fucking rob the candy store? And like,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: why do you know that? He's like, because they saw you,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: you idiot. They're they're calling me to find out what
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: my friend.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: So, like they were asking me, did you give him
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: the discount code? I was like, no, I didn't, you did,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: you idiots? So then they messaged me and they're like
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: put them all back. They were like, you can pick
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: two and we will give you those as a courtesy
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: that you may take with you.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Wow, for your ten minutes of time that you spent
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: enrolled with us.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: Not too dos.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: So I ended up having to pay for the rest.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: So that's the story.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: That's the story. I'm happy that Jim had to pay
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: for it. It's I did get two for free, and I
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: did pick the most expensive ones, but that was only
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: like two hundred bucks, so I end up So anyway,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: good trivia on that. I like it. Next question the
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: amazing disappearing friend. Short question here it is, so I
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: have a friend that's several where's my friend? Where's my friend?
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: That's the question.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Is amazing.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: So I have a friend that several times has dropped
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: all communication for months, only to resurface later Oh yeah, yep.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: We all have that friend. I am that friend. She
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: lives a few hours away in another state, and we
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: used to see each other ever, see each other every
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: few weeks. Not romantic, but just what I thought was
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: a deep and meaningful friendship. It seems like sometimes she
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: just blocks out the world and doesn't let anyone know.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: I've double checked her staff listing at the university where
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: she works, just to reassure or myself that she's still
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: alive this time, as it seems like much more time
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: has gone by. I really wonder what causes this type
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: of behavior in someone. Last time, she said she was
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: just overwhelmed. Is it normal to not even give a
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: clue to people you're close to about what's going on
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: in your life? It's hard not to dwell on it.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Thanks Friends love the show Anonymous.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Okay, so, Jim, why do you do that?
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Dude?
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: I do it because that's.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: Been able to contact them.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I think that normal people do that. You think this
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: is Jim's friend, So yeah, the university thing. Actually, so
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: for normal people, I've seen they do this because they
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: get overwhelmed with keeping tabs on people and feeling like, oh,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: I haven't talked to these friends in enough time I due,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I need to like check in with them. And I've
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: seen some people get overwhelmed and they will literally block
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: and like shut up all their social media and basically
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: go dark without notifying anybody. And I don't like that.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: I like those who will post to their social media. Hey, everybody,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: I'm going to take a break for a while. I'm fine.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Everything's fine. If you don't hear from me, everything's fine.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I'll be back in a month. I like that kind
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: of like announcement, just so people don't think you're dead. Yeah,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: but I've definitely seen people get overwhelmed. That's also a
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: level of self awareness. Yeah, that you have to have
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: to do that. I know I'm going to disappear for
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: a few weeks right now. Yeah, I'm gonna let people know.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: I just don't respond. So people text me and I
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: just never reply.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Peter's like that too, busy.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it's anything wrong.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: With you, no what I've heard. Sometimes, I've heard clients
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: tell me when they get a text and they don't
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: respond right away, maybe in the moment they're like busy
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: or whatever, then it builds up in their mind that
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: overwhelmed builds up and they're worried about responding, and what
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: I've heard them say is something like, well, then if
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: I respond, it'll be like a long conversation. They're overwhelmed
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: at the thought of what that texting back will lead to,
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: like a lot of time out of their day, and
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: they're busy, so then they don't. And then let's say
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: two or three days goes by. I'm like, well, no,
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: it just feels weird to respond, like it's been three days.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: So then they just don't, right, It's like that feels
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: awkward too. And then a month's gone by and you're like, well, no, what,
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: I guess we're just not friends.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: And I feel like sometimes there's this sometimes it's easier
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: to just in front and.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I can't has time for this. I can now that
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: you put it that way, I agree completely. Yeah, you
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: get it right, Like I could reply to this, but
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I'll meet new people, you know, like I don't have
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: to keep this going.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: I've been in situations like that before, not with the
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: exactly with the text messages, but like you put something
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: off for so long that it is just like, I
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: guess I have to move out of state.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Because that's my house given a death penalty for this
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: overdue library book. Yeah, I think that sometimes it is
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: better to starver. But no, I mean I think that
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: some people do feel the tax of like the procedures
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: to keep in touch with friends, and I don't I
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: mean not to over gender stereotype here, but I feel
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: like for women that expectation shows up more often where
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: it's like I've seen like I've had female clients that
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: will tell me like, yeah, so my friend finally called me,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: and I'll be like, Okay, I'm like, I don't think
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I've ever said that about any male friend in my
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: life ever. Like, you know, if Nick calls me, I'm
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: not like, oh finally, you know, tells me like, oh
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: so Nick finally checked in. Like if Nick calls me,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: I'm like, why are you calling me to voicemail? Today?
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: They called me from the hospital now he was he
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: ba okay during okay, family.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Guy did a thing about this, like Peter calls Quigmire
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: just to talk.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you do?
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: What do we what?
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: That is?
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: That is the current A T and T I think
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: it's AT and T AD that's out right now. It's
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: basically like, hey, phones can call people. Your grandparents aren't
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: going to be alive forever, you should call them.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I'm summarizing it, but that's the making anything else how
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: that works. Yeah, that's really I think part of this.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, what I can say for myself, like I
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: I'm I will I'm pretty good at replying to text
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: messages or anything like that.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I'm good at it. I do it immediately, that's my thing.
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: So forget about it if I unless I leave it
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: on unread as I leave the notification there, I will
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: just forget about it.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was going to say, is I
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: have to Sometimes The mistake I make is I answer,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: I open it knowing I can't.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: I don't have time right now to reply, but I'm
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: just curious. I want to read it. Yeah, and then
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: now I'm like, okay, well I'll reply to this later.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: And then it's just I set sometimes, you know, in
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: my islander to reply to people.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: With my Android, I can't leave it as an unread message.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: I can do that with emails, but I can't do
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: that with a text.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: You can't market unread. No, yeah I can't.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Well maybe I can't never can do that.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: You can market and say leave it unread, okay, yeah,
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: like I haven't read.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: It, which I guess, Okay, that's that's interesting, the.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: One which I like, the one thing not because I'm
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: a little bit like that too, Jacob. And so when
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: I want to read something now. It was great when
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: they updated that, I think last year, because I could
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: open it, read it, and then I'm like, swipe over
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: so I can mark it as like a new text
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: again so I can check it later or whatever, because
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: I don't like seeing the notifications. Some of my friends
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: have like two hundred plus unread texts, and I don't
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: know how they function. I don't know. My anxiety is
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: through the roof.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Guess what you do? Just get a new number, you
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: switch carriers, they your own debt.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: But I actually kind of like what Jim said earlier.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: I thought about this listening to shares, like when you said, okay,
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: if I'm going on a social media hiatus, you kind
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: of tell people. So I feel like, for your friend
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: letting them know how it affects you when you don't
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: hear from them, and not as a way to like
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: guilt trip. Hey you have to keep up with me,
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: but hey, this really hurts my feelings or stresses me
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: out or whatever. When I don't hear back from you
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: for like long periods of time, if you could just
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: let me know if you're going through something, I won't
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: even press or whatever, like just hey, I am really
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: overwhelmed right now. I might need some time. I'll reach
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: out to you when I'm ready. Just something like that
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: to let me know we're okay. And you know, I
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: don't have to worry about you or it's not I
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: don't know, it's just something you're going through, which is fine.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: But yeah, is just the fact that this friendship, I mean,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: it's distance and distance plus time. It's difficult to maintain
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: that relationship, you know, it is you have to work
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: really hard at that. Like when I moved away from Iowa,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: like I've had to, some of those friendships have kind
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: of become further and further apart, the ones that I've
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: really tried to maintain.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: It's work, you know.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: It's like, oh, you're constant checking in on a regular basis,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: and it's it's tough to do.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Definitely, Yeah, no, I agree, And you know, I think
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: that it's also interesting because I think we all have
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: have experienced this thing in life where you have a
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: friend who only reaches out specifically when something's going on,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: like it's only when they're having relationship trouble, and then
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're getting the hey, girl, that's
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: how much especially yeah yeah, oh, but I'm checking with
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: my bestie and you're like, I forgot your fucking name,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Like you know, I had to remind myself who you are.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: And so I can feel like that is part of
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: the letter too, of like oh, the amazing disappearing friend,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Like you know, they're never really around in my life,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: but then occasionally they resurface and like I am that friend.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just am not whenever something bad is
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: happening in my life, but like I'll get this wild
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: hair of like ooh, I want to socialize again, and
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: then I'm reaching out people like hey, what are you doing?
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: You want to go to a football game? You know
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: what's going on here? And like it's okay, you know,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: like come along and we'll do that for a little while.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: And then do you think some of that feels like
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: just the stage of life you're in or have you
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: always been that way?
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I've probably always been that way because I.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: Thought you like were really close with some of your
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: friends in college and stuff.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I see, so Nick saw them all,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: you know, because good Yeah, he actually carpooled with them
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: even recently. Yeah this weekend, Well I knew Eddie. Yeah,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: knew Eddie. Yeah, Eddie's old brother.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, like, you know, you and l
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: V is in the championship this Friday, and I'll probably
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: meet up with them to watch the game. But that's
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: because we have that in common. And so like, I
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: don't want to just any random day go watch football
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: at a bar. And like the only time I will
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: ever do that is if we recorded on a Sunday
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: and then afterward, I'm like, Nick, do you want to
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: go grab a burger and watch the afternoon game or whatever?
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Like that's the only time I'll do it. I just
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: don't like to leave my house.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: Well, like, would you invite people to your house?
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Then? Very rarely, because I'd rather go to Jacob's if
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: we're if we're all going to somebody's house, I want
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: to go to Jacob's house.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: Well that's obvious, but Jacob didn't invite us.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: I know, and you said, how did I get involved
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: in this?
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Jacob will be there on Sunday.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So the point is, I think we should watch
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: the Mountain mus Championship at Jacob's. Look at over. We're
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: here to see what time the game's off Friday.
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: I think that would be Friday. Yes, I have to
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: be at work at eight, but I could meet you
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: somewhere before that.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, your house. I'm not at your house, a lot
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: easier on you. You don't even have to drive. I'm gonna
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: drive anyway because I'm gonna go to work, okay at eight. Yeah, Yeah,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: I could beat somewhere. Fine, Yeah, we'll feed the dogs.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: So that's just it.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: It's just that you just don't You've never been any
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: other way. That's the way you've always been.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know when I was really young, in like
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: high school, I probably was. Yeah, Like that's all you
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: do is you leave your house. You just go out
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: with your friends, the jack in the box and just
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: in a parking lot.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, for the writer, I'm wondering if this
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: was a change in behavior. It sounds like this was
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: a change.
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they used to meet up every few weeks.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: My guess is it's probably just the distance. It takes
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: a toll on relationships and it becomes more and more
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: difficult to maintain them.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Sure, and that just sucks.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: There's not a really good answer for that other than that,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: you know, if you want to communicate with this person
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: more often, you may have to take the lead on that.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: Like if you had a friend who or Jim, since
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: you said you don't you're this person. Like if your
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: friend reached out to you and said, hey, buddy, are
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: you okay? Like we used to hang out every few weeks,
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: but it's been like every six months, once a year
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: or whatever, Like that really sucks, Like could we get together, Moor,
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: What would you say to them?
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I would definitely if I were in that role, which
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: all the people in my life at this point tolerate
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: me and they all know, like, yeah, he's joked about
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: on the show that it's like, yeah, just Jim doesn't
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: answer text and uh, it's not because I don't like you.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I don't like you for other reasons, but it's not.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: Your best friends. It barely likes you.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: He's best friend. He doesn't know it. I've announced it
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: to him before. I've been a few cups in at
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: a bar and I remember I announced it to him.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: I was like, you're my best friend, and he was
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: like just staring into the nachos.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Funny thing. I don't remember that at all.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Too many also too many margos. It'll happen to the
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: best of us. Yeah, I have a friend to ask
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: me that was like, hey, man, I just want to
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: make sure we're okay. Then of course I but then
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: like my weird codependency side would kick in really hard
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: and be like, oh no, have I hurt you, Like
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, and like I would feel the need
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: to explain to them, like I'm just not a communicator.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, but like I'm good.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: Well, what part of that's codependency and what part is
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: like just being like kind to another human telling me.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing, I'm saying that. I would now obsess over that,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: and I'd be like, oh my god, who else thinks
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: I'm mad at that?
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: It would extend, It would now become this.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Thing of like, oh no, I need to let everybody know,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: like check him with everybody. I'm not mad at you.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not mad at you. I'm not mad at you.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: And like I would then I would be hold be.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: Hopeful for all this. Yeah, I haven't heard from you.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: And in case you're wondering, we're cool, like yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: text me back in the group thread. I tell you
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be at the studio at this time.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: You don't respond to me every time you reply to
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: the group thread.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: I'm shocked.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, wow, I'm just I'm always texting us on there.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: That's the only way to get me is I will
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: be the fourth person to say, I guess I have
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: to speak.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Or we aren't going to meet. It's no what it
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: is is Jacob Oh, Jacob's on the story. I got
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: to check.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I don't want him to think I'm mad
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: at him. I'm sure he would lose so much sleep.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: What who's talking? Who is that man? Anyway, I'm sorry
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: we came close enough. We said more to you than
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: your friend does, so you know we're better friends. Yeah,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break and when we come back,
• 45:15
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• 45:18
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• 45:21
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• 45:41
  Speaker 2: start with the Jacob this time.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: All right, let me.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Pull up the trivia here.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: You're doing great?
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: Okay, Oh this is easy. You got this one? Yeah? Okay?
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: Who does Michael hit with his car in the parking lot? Oh?
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: That's what's her name? Yeah?
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: This is a little bit more.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: It is hard, dude. I don't remember her name, but
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: she's the girl Creed.
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: You know, there's Angela, there's you know it.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I don't I know exactly who it is. I just
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: can't th give her name. Monica, Rachel, phoebe.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: Hold on to make sure I get the right answer,
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: and don't.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: Put it in the group thread.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: That do that? Wow, she's for two?
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: That for I just had to sit there and think, Okay, Whitney,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: what does Michael accidentally grill his foot on?
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: The waffle waffle maker?
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: Shoot?
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: Is that what it is? Hold on?
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: It is a waffle maker.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: You are struggling a little bit.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: Panini panini maker thing, panini griller. NOI is my final answer, No.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: No, I cannot accept that. I'm sorry.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: No, I would have contested. If he had accepted that,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: I would have declared he's making bacon, dude.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: George ruled, all right, Jim, what is the name of
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: the paper company? Michael briefly starts.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, I think it's just called Michael Scott Paper Company.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: I'll take that for two correct, Yeah, Michael, you're right,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: You're right. The integrity must be maintained.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: The choices were Michael Scott Paper Company.
• 47:36
  Speaker 7: Scott's Tots episode so hard to watch. Oh my good time.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I thought I would be much more successful.
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: So great?
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Last question? Are my tech support customers getting dumber? Yeah?
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: So I work in tech support, and I feel like
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: our clients are frustrating me more and more. I've done
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: the job for quite some time, so it could just
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: be an issue of too long doing the same thing.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: But when someone asks what to do if they've forgotten
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: their password click forgot password on the login page, or
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: when talking to them, they seem to lack common sense.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: I've also felt more frustrated in traffic lately, so I
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: think it's probably me a change, not them. How can
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: you improve your state of mind when doing routine tasks.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Thanks anonymous. Oh that's got such a thankless job. People.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: It's the same question eight hundred times.
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: People have simultaneously gotten much smarter and much dumber with tech.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: Okay, I have a comment on this, but I don't
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: hear Jacob, and I.
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: Believe it is because so when I was growing up,
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: like technology was blooming into what it is today, like
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: we all remember, or like when the Internet became more
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: prevalent and everything and like and all that kind of happened.
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: You've got mail, But for all of that time beforehand,
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: and it even ended that time as well, if you
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: were a user of technology. First of all, not everyone was,
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: so it wasn't just ubiquitous like it is now. And
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: second of all, if you were a user of technology,
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: you also had you had to have some skills in troubleshooting.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: You just had to.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you had to figure it out. You can ask
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: your friend or do anything, just you had to figure
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: it out.
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: Or like I mean, you might be able to ask
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: somebody or whatever, but like you were going to be
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: doing the work, you had to you had to be
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: the one to actually fix it.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: And like that has completely gone away.
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: You don't, like, we don't have to do anything now,
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: and so when something does go wrong, we are, I think,
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: much more clueless on.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: How to fix it.
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: Also, and also the user pool has expanded to virtually everyone.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Well do you think also part of that is like
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: the technology has advanced me yeah, the point where the
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: average person could deal with it. It's gotten becau because
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking about like cars, right, Like people used to
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: just be able to fix their own car, but you
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: can't do that now.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, plug it into a ball and yeah,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: computer tells you what's wrong with it.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so computerized. So I say that, like I've ever
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: fixed the car, Well, those good old days.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: It's like people have been cars in the past, right guys. Right, No,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: we don't wash my own car.
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: I believe that we can't.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Is it illegal?
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: Jeff's son knows how to fix it? Yeah?
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: No.
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: I had this experience where I had a first generation
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: Apple Watch, like super old, just used it forever, and
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: one of my friends, her like teenager was, was wanting
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: to buy it off me. So I sold it to
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: her for like twenty bucks or whatever, and she puts
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: it on I like had wiped it and so I
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: gave it to her with a towel. Yes, No, I'm sorry,
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: baby wipes it.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let me get the off here real quick and
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: there you go.
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: No, I'm sorry. I had disconnected it, but I didn't
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: know you. I thought once you disconnected it, everything deleted.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: But it doesn't. So all the porn was still on. No,
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: but like your texts and things like that, porn very small.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Now the question is which hand does she were the goggles?
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, from the shooting range, so I hadn't wiped it.
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: And so uh. She like follows up with me sometime
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: later that day and.
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: Well motion tractors like, did you leave your did you leave?
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: You're watching a paint shaker.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: Well, so I follow up with her and she's sitting
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: there on her phone like looking at TikTok. I don't know,
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: and she's like, oh, well the watch like it still
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: has all Whitney stuff on it. And I'm like sitting
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: there looking at her. I'm like, did you look up
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: how to do? She's like, well, I don't know what
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: to do because like her stuff is still on it.
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: As she's on her phone. I'm like, my god, you
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: know what I'm to do?
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to figure.
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: This out, right now, how to clear my Apple Watch?
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: It's not fucking fast.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: And they don't do it right.
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she's like thirteen. I'm like, you're not eight.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: But whatever I think it is, it's a change in mindset.
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: There's not that like, well I got to figure out
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: how to fix this. Yeah, now, yeah, I mean, and
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: I don't think that's unfair.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: That's what we've done. That's what we have. The society
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: have there another and competence.
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: But I mean the purpose of technology, though, is to
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: make things simpler.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The purpose of technology is to make us work less.
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: And so if the technology is also what is fixing
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: the technology.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: That is making like that is achieving that goal. Yeah,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: like it.
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: Should just do it right, just should work.
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And like in her life, in her thirteen year
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: old life, that has worked most of the.
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: Time, right right, you get a new phone in an
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: auto sets, everything's just on there.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: It all gotten faster. Yeah. And I also like the
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: idea like if you are the tech support, I don't
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: hesitate to call you because in my mind, you get
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: paid for this. And if I have a dumb question,
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: if I can save ten minutes in my way for
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: you to answer it. That's why you have a full
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: time gig is so that I can save ten minutes
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: and move on. And that's why it was efficient for
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: our company to have you, because if you save everybody
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: ten minutes for answering our dumbest questions, Yeah, that was
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: we paid for it.
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: Like that being said writer, I worked in tech support
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: for a couple of months. It's it's the one not
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: entertainment job I ever had. And I was in high
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: school and worked in the tech support thing for a couple.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Of months, and.
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: Multiple times, more than twice, I because I worked for
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: a school board, and so more than twice I drove
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: out to a school okay to plug a computer. Oh
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: and these weren't like, oh the computer lab is and
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: or whatever. Listen, this would be like a secretary's computer. Oh,
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: this would be like so one's work machine. They would
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: call my computer doesn't work. All right, I'm going to
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: ask you the dumb question. Got to do this on
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: the phone. I'm going to ask you the dumb question.
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: Is it plugged in? Oh, of course it's plugged in.
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: I get there, it's not plugged in?
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: Oh my god.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Oh course.
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: I also having multiple times that I got there and
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: nothing else from that outlet would turn on either.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Oh circuit breaker. Yeah yeah. I was like the power
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: of this outlets fucked up.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is why there's a fee for a service
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: call right.
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't have that because we just we were
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: just on salary from the school board.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: No, I'm definitely working up.
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: Then say that to say there've always been stupid cars too,
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: that's so true.
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: But I definitely had that experience where sometimes calling it
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: was like worth it, But you're right, I didn't want
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: to spend my time trying to figure it out when
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: I had other stuff to do. I just call them
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: right away, and at least once or twice, I know
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: they would tell me to do someone like oh shoot, yeah,
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: I could have figured that out on my own, but
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh, well, well.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of my my stance on it, Like, yeah,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: I could go to chat GBT and I could like
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: sort this thing out. I could troubleshoot it. But I'm
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: going to have to solve this for the first time
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: in my life, and I can learn how and it
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: won't take all day. It will take ten times the
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: amount of time it would solve take You to solve
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: it for the thousandth time, you can do it blindfolded you.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: And there's a point to that too, where it's like,
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: there are things that are worth taking the time to
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: learn how to do to solve problems that you're going
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: to continue to counter. But if you're not gonna if
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: you don't anticipate ever having to do this again, Like,
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: why would I spend, you know, all of this time
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: to learn how to do this skill that I'll never
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: use again?
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: Like the average person doesn't need to know how to
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: like defrag a hard drive, right right?
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: Who gives a ship? Hey, it used to be a
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: really important thing.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: It was, Remember.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: You're a child like.
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: This this week, my my Apple AirPods, my little my
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: little Bluetooth headphones. The k wouldn't charge on the touch
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: chargers anymore. I had to plug it in to charge it.
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: Woudn't It wouldn't charge on the little uh the little
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: what do you call them.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Whatever?
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: The little chargers are. Yeah, And I was like, well,
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: this is this is weird. They were just working, uh,
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: and now they're not working. And so I googled it
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: and the solution that came up. Tell me, if you
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: think this solution would work. Unpair the headphones from your device,
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: reset the device, or reset the headphones, repair the headphones
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: with your device, and now they will work. The touch
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: charging will work on a charging panel that isn't connected
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: to your phone, and I care that worked.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Wow?
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was like, that doesn't make any sense at all,
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: but this says it will work, so I'll try it.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: They're broke. I was like, why did that work?
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: I had a similar situation many years ago with the
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: PlayStation two.
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: I didn't either, Like I did more than turned off
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: and turning back on, but not much, and everything I
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: did was related.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: To the device that it was connected to, not to
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: the charging things.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: The issue that I had, I guess it was an
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: Xbox three sixty. Like something was wrong.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: I called tech support and they're like, well, is the
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: date and time set right? Oh?
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what the why the hell would that matter?
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: And you could hear in their voice too, they're like,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: is the question? Yeah? I know this is gonna sound stupid,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: but is the date and time?
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: They know what I'm going to say, and they know
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: what they're going to say back to me, but they
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: have to go through these steps anyway.
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally. I would be frustrated as hell.
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: But I think for the writer it is a matter
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: of acceptance and zen and like this is just what
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: this is.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: So I think the writer's onto something talking about I'm
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: getting stressed at work. Oh and by the way, yeah,
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: I'm a little frustrated traffic.
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: No, I with the writer that it's just on them.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's there's some stuff going on here that
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: maybe you need to kind of check in with yourself
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: and do a little bit of self care outside of
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: work to help manage some of these emotions. It's kind
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: of like, you know, when you got a dog that
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: needs exercise, but it never gets to leave the house.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: It manifests in all of these other problematic behaviors.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: Oh now they're doing other things, yes, yeah.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: Whereas if you just yeah and then like but any
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: dog trainers, like the first question they ask is, well,
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: how often do you give it exercise?
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: You know, And I think we're kind of we're kind
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: of like that too, where we don't you know, there's
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: something that we're not doing that. Because we're not doing that,
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: we start doing all of these other things, and it
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: seems like it wouldn't relate, such as repairing ear pods.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: But it actually does kind of make sense.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: I agree, so writer, it may not seem like it relates,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: but walk your dog. Well, we're going to take a
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: quick break and when we come back, we're thinking and everybody,
• 59:00
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  Speaker 1: the whole time.
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  Speaker 4: I was going to comment on that learning things.
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  Speaker 2: No, Honestly, what I was looking at is it's interesting
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: to see cigarette ads Jacob from September nineteen ninety two,
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