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A Side of Mum Shaming at the Gym · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Abby Chatfield
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  Speaker 1: and Matt Agnew reunite to drop bombshells about their time
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  Speaker 1: on The Bachelor. Steph Claire Smith hits back at a
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  Speaker 1: follower who mum shamed her. Travis Kelsey signs a $ 100
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  Speaker 1: million podcast deal and our highs and lows of the week.
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  Speaker 1: But first, Mitch Orville and Chloe Zepp have caused panic
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  Speaker 1: after spotting what they believe to be crocodiles swimming in
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  Speaker 1: Corumbin Creek at the Gold Coast. Yeah, so Chloe, Mitch
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  Speaker 1: and their kids were on their way to breakfast when
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  Speaker 1: they spotted what they believe to be two crocodiles swimming
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  Speaker 1: in the creek. Now, they were in disbelief, so they
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  Speaker 1: shared a series of stories to their Instagram.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what Chloe said.
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  Speaker 3: We're at Corumbin.
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  Speaker 4: There's a crocodile in the water.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not shitting you.
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  Speaker 2: There's the first one.
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  Speaker 3: And now there's a second one right there.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, what?
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  Speaker 4: Shut up.
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  Speaker 1: This comes off the back of them being very close
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  Speaker 1: to crocodiles in Darwin, I remember. Yeah, so a couple
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  Speaker 1: of months ago they were slammed because Mitch shared a
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  Speaker 1: video showing him and his son Artie, who I think
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  Speaker 1: is two or three, walking very close to a crocodile.
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  Speaker 2: And he was just filming the whole thing. This was
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  Speaker 2: whilst they were holidaying in the Northern Territory.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the creek where the couple spotted the crocodiles on
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  Speaker 1: the Gold Coast is near a very busy highway, but
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  Speaker 1: it leads to Pelican Point where the Corumban Wildlife Sanctuary is.
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  Speaker 1: And this sanctuary is home to Boss Hogg, who is
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  Speaker 1: the resident male saltwater croc, who is almost five meters
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  Speaker 1: in length. And he also weighs 800 kilograms. That is crazy. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Boss Hogg's claim to fame is that before being taken
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  Speaker 1: to the sanctuary, he actually killed a stud bull, which
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  Speaker 1: was worth $ 10, 000. So if he was on the loose,
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  Speaker 1: that would cause a lot of problems. And this is
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  Speaker 1: why the couple believe, well, maybe this.
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  Speaker 2: Is a real crocodile.
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  Speaker 1: Now, they decided to ask their followers, do you think
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  Speaker 1: that this is a crocodile on the Gold Coast?
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  Speaker 3: Is this Boss Hog?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and 94% of their followers responded.
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  Speaker 2: Saying that they were convinced it.
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  Speaker 1: Was a crocodile, whilst a few people wrote in saying
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  Speaker 1: they think it's a fake. Now, Chloe returned to Instagram
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  Speaker 1: to reveal that the crocodiles were, in fact, statues. So
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  Speaker 1: the couple contacted the sanctuary, who replied saying, Hi, Chloe,
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  Speaker 1: I have asked our reptile and amphibians wildlife supervisor. Apparently
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  Speaker 1: there are fake crocs and sharks out in that creek
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  Speaker 1: and have been placed in there for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't aware until I asked the supervisor. So apologies
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  Speaker 1: for any confusion.
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  Speaker 2: I must say I feel quite silly.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Chloe shared that and added that she also felt
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  Speaker 1: silly because she had no idea that these were statues.
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  Speaker 1: This seems like a pretty stupid idea to have such
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  Speaker 1: realistic statues. I mean, I wonder how many people have
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  Speaker 1: actually raised the alarm and called into this sanctuary. Well,
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  Speaker 1: particularly because the Gold Coast would be full of international tourists. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Australia is known as having killer sharks and crocodiles.
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  Speaker 1: They would be out of their mind when spotting these. Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 6: I took my toddler to the gym and here's what happened.
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  Speaker 1: Fitness mogul Steph Clare-Smith has hit back at a follower
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  Speaker 1: who mum shamed her for taking her son to the
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  Speaker 1: gym during their day together. Now, Sophie, how did this
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  Speaker 1: all unfold? Well, Steph is actually solo parenting at the
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  Speaker 1: moment because her husband.
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  Speaker 2: Josh Miller, is away in Europe.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like he's on a bit of a boy's trip.
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  Speaker 1: So he's been away for the past couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 1: He was in Ibiza last week. He's now been spending
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  Speaker 1: time on a yacht in Croatia.
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  Speaker 3: It's not exactly clear.
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  Speaker 2: Why he's there.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if this is for business or just
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  Speaker 1: for pleasure. It looks like he's there with friends.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty nice of Steph to let him go over there.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I would be that nice and
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  Speaker 2: let my husband go to Europe without me. What a
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  Speaker 2: boy's trip.
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  Speaker 1: No, well, they have an interesting dynamic because when their
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  Speaker 1: son Harvey was born, they decided that Josh would quit
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  Speaker 1: his job and be a full-time stay-at-home dad while Steph
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  Speaker 1: would run her fitness empire, Kik. And I have personally
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  Speaker 1: really loved seeing this style of parenting being platformed because
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  Speaker 1: we don't often see it. And I always hate that
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  Speaker 1: the assumption generally is that the woman should be the
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  Speaker 1: one taking time away from her career to raise a child.
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  Speaker 1: It just seems like that that is the default thought
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  Speaker 1: at the moment. which is surprising in 2024. And there
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  Speaker 1: are so many households out there where the woman is
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  Speaker 1: earning more than her male partner. So why shouldn't we
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  Speaker 1: be the ones that are actually going back to work if.
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  Speaker 2: We choose to?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes more sense financially for the person who's
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  Speaker 1: earning more to continue on in that role. Now, Steph
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  Speaker 1: has been holding down the fort at home whilst Josh
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  Speaker 1: has been away. And on Tuesday, she shared a video
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  Speaker 1: of her taking her toddler Harvey to the gym. Now
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  Speaker 1: in the vision, it showed him sitting in the corner
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  Speaker 1: with headphones on and his iPad on his lap with
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  Speaker 1: a lunchbox full of snacks while Steph did a strength session.
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  Speaker 1: And in the video, she said she knows not every
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  Speaker 1: gym would allow this, but it's her day with Harvey
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  Speaker 1: and she's craving a strength workout. She also prefaced that
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  Speaker 1: she's never tried this before, so she didn't know what
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  Speaker 1: to expect. Now Steph told her followers that she was
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  Speaker 1: following one of Kik's workouts, so she knew she'd be
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  Speaker 1: done in around 30 minutes. And she said Harvey was
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  Speaker 1: a champion and that he didn't move off the mat
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  Speaker 1: once and was happy watching Frozen. She finished off the
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  Speaker 1: video by showing Harvey having fun on.
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  Speaker 2: Some of the gym equipment.
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  Speaker 1: When I went to the comments section, the majority of
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  Speaker 1: comments were really positive. A lot of parents were saying
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  Speaker 1: that Steph was setting a wonderful example for Harvey and
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  Speaker 1: that it's really important for kids to see their parents
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  Speaker 1: working out and looking after themselves. However, there was one
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  Speaker 1: follower who wasn't impressed. So she wrote underneath the post,
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  Speaker 1: If it was your day with him, why did you
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  Speaker 1: need to go to the gym? Wouldn't you want to
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  Speaker 1: do fun things with him? I usually love what you do,
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  Speaker 1: but this is weird. Now that follower then replied to
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  Speaker 1: other people's comments saying maybe she should take him.
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  Speaker 2: To the beach or the playground.
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  Speaker 1: Now Steph hit back at the follower by sharing her post,
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  Speaker 1: which included her username and said this.
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  Speaker 6: Number one, I was in the gym for a total
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  Speaker 6: of like 40 minutes. For that video that I shared,
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  Speaker 6: that's 40 minutes in an entire day with my son.
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  Speaker 6: And not only that, but my health is super important
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  Speaker 6: for the way that I show up as a mom,
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  Speaker 6: for the way that I show up with him, for
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  Speaker 6: me to be able to play with him.
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  Speaker 5: Keep up with him.
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  Speaker 2: I need to be training personally.
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  Speaker 6: And for me, sometimes that means doing it with him,
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  Speaker 6: because if I don't do it with him, I'm sacrificing
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  Speaker 6: time with him. So as a working mom, often I'm
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  Speaker 6: doing Pilates right in front of him on the couch
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  Speaker 6: while he's watching TV or he's happy, right?
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  Speaker 2: We're both happy.
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  Speaker 6: And that day was the first time I ever tried
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  Speaker 6: anything like that, like taking him to the gym. So sure,
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  Speaker 6: it wasn't like super quality time with him. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: I had an iPad in front of the kid, but
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  Speaker 6: me filling up my cup is super important. And I've
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  Speaker 6: learned that from the years now, three years of being
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  Speaker 6: his mum, I have learned that when I have not
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  Speaker 6: prioritised time for myself and time for my health, I
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  Speaker 6: do not show up as the best mumma for him.
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  Speaker 6: Us mums already question whether or not we're spending enough
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  Speaker 6: quality time with our children.
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  Speaker 3: We don't need you to.
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  Speaker 1: The Blue Tick Brigade was out in force to support Steph.
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  Speaker 1: Olivia Rogers wrote, Well said, Steffi. You're an amazing mum
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  Speaker 1: and role model to your little man. M Davies wrote louder,
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  Speaker 1: you're incredible. While Simone Anderson said, absolutely love this. The
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  Speaker 1: general public also seemed to be on Steph's side. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of mums were weighing in saying that they feel
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  Speaker 1: a lot of guilt when they take time for themselves
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  Speaker 1: and why shouldn't they be.
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  Speaker 2: Allowed to, which I completely agree.
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  Speaker 1: This whole situation made me angry because when Steph was
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  Speaker 1: away in London, I think it was last year, she
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  Speaker 1: was doing some work with Kik.
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  Speaker 2: Now she copped.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of criticism with people saying, how dare you
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  Speaker 1: be away from your son for work? Yet her husband, Josh,
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  Speaker 1: literally appears to be living it up on a European
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  Speaker 1: holiday with his friends, which he's entitled to do.
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  Speaker 2: But has he copped any dad shaming? No one said anything.
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  Speaker 2: No one even knows the guy's away.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know what?
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  Speaker 1: When I first saw the video, I did think, oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's a bit peculiar to bring your son to the
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  Speaker 1: gym because I know most gyms have age limits.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's like you have to be over 16.
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  Speaker 1: Or they have a creche where you can leave your kids. Well,
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  Speaker 1: this didn't look like one of those big franchises. It
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  Speaker 1: looked like a small gym, maybe a local one down
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  Speaker 1: the road from her. She looked like she was one
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  Speaker 1: of the only people working out there.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't busy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, my only concern about that was there was a
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  Speaker 1: lot of weights being lifted.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a bit of a panicker when it comes to children.
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  Speaker 1: I'm quite over the top. And I just thought, gosh,
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  Speaker 1: imagine if one of the weights dropped on him. But
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  Speaker 1: she said that he was sitting in a perfect spot,
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  Speaker 1: you know, on a mat watching his iPad. And then
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  Speaker 1: I thought further into it and I thought, you know what?
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  Speaker 1: Why can't Steph go to the gym? I think a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the judgment from this woman and other people
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  Speaker 1: who have an issue with it stem from the fact
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  Speaker 1: that they judged Steph and thought, wow, that's really selfish
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  Speaker 1: and perhaps maybe it's vain because you're putting your needs
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  Speaker 1: of going to the gym above your child.
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  Speaker 2: You're so right, Amy.
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people view working out and
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  Speaker 1: looking after yourself almost as a privilege and not something
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  Speaker 1: that you need to do. So they're like, how selfish
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  Speaker 1: of you for putting yourself before your child. But for her,
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  Speaker 1: she was saying that in order to be the best
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  Speaker 1: mum possible, She's in a better mind frame when she
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  Speaker 1: does work out and when she gets her endorphins going,
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  Speaker 1: which is quite interesting because the day before she posted
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  Speaker 1: this video, she had shared that Harvey was really difficult
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  Speaker 1: the night before. She had to put him to bed
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  Speaker 1: with no clothes on. He refused to put his pajamas on.
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  Speaker 1: And she said she felt really guilty, didn't she, for
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  Speaker 1: yelling at him? Well, she said a few times that
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  Speaker 1: he said to her, I feel scared. And I actually
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  Speaker 1: think it's quite brave of her to be sharing those
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  Speaker 1: moments because there's so many other mums that would have
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  Speaker 1: had those times when they've gone absolutely apeshit at their child,
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  Speaker 1: like yelled at them, felt guilty about it. But I
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  Speaker 1: almost think because she is such an open book, that's
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  Speaker 1: why there's been this reaction from this follower because they've
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  Speaker 1: been like, well, clearly you're not doing a good enough job. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think as well, because Steph was spruiking one of
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  Speaker 1: the kick workouts in the video, I think that's why
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  Speaker 1: there was a bit of judgment there. But what's the
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  Speaker 1: difference if Steph was to do a workout at home
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  Speaker 1: and put Harvey in front of the TV or the
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  Speaker 1: iPad elsewhere?
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  Speaker 3: Like, is there that much.
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  Speaker 2: Of a difference? I don't think so. And the thing is,
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  Speaker 2: There would have been a lot of.
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  Speaker 1: Work going into making sure that her time at the
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  Speaker 1: gym with Harvey ran smoothly because she'd prepared this whole
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  Speaker 1: healthy lunchbox for him.
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  Speaker 2: A bento box.
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  Speaker 3: I would have loved that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she made sure that he had his iPad, his headphones,
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  Speaker 1: that he was in a safe spot. Like there's just
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  Speaker 1: so much mental load for parents. If it was a
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  Speaker 1: dad who'd taken his child to the gym, I think
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  Speaker 1: this would have been looked upon very differently. Everyone probably
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  Speaker 1: would have praised him for spending time with his child.
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  Speaker 1: And they would have been like, oh, what a fantastic
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  Speaker 1: role model.
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  Speaker 2: He's showing a child. how to look after themselves and
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  Speaker 2: work out.
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  Speaker 1: What I find interesting about this whole thing is Steph
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  Speaker 1: isn't well known for hitting out at people in her
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  Speaker 1: comment section. I noticed that Laura Henshaw, her business partner,
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  Speaker 1: has been doing this a lot. But in Steph's clapback,
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  Speaker 1: you could see that she was seething.
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  Speaker 3: She looked fed up.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it's a lot to do with the
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  Speaker 1: fact that she is solo parenting at the moment.
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  Speaker 3: And it was probably the last straw.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I understand it because it'd be incredibly tough having
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  Speaker 1: someone critique your parenting, particularly as she said, she was
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  Speaker 1: already feeling a bit down about the situation and questioning herself.
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  Speaker 1: I also find it unfair because I feel like saying
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  Speaker 1: she's providing such a wonderful future for her child because
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  Speaker 1: she is working so hard with her business. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: she's sitting there in a $ 5 million house, which I'm
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  Speaker 1: assuming she paid predominantly for. Yeah. And she's filming a
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  Speaker 1: workout to promote new programs on her app, which pay
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  Speaker 1: their bills at the end of the day.
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  Speaker 5: And I was like, why? Why is it in his
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  Speaker 5: business whose pussy I've eaten? Like, I was like, I'll
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  Speaker 5: tell him if we end up together. Like, but it's
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  Speaker 5: not a confession.
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  Speaker 1: Five years after Matt Agnew dramatically dumped Abby Chatfield on
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  Speaker 1: The Bachelor finale, the pair have reunited to drop some
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: bombshells about the show. Speaking on Abby's podcast, It's A Lot,
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  Speaker 1: the former couple unpacked what really went down during their
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: reality show romance. Sophie, it is wild when you reflect
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: on just how big The Bachelor finale was back in
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  Speaker 1: the day. I think people forget what a phenomenon The
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: Bachelor actually was. People would hold Bachelor watch parties. There
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: would be bets on who the winner was. I still
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: remember in the weeks leading up to Blake Garvey's finale
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: where he picked Sam Frost and then he changed his
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: mind and picked Louise. That was massive and it's quite
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  Speaker 1: funny because I had people stopping me at the shops saying,
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  Speaker 1: are you Louise?
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  Speaker 2: I don't actually think I look like her.
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  Speaker 4: No, you do.
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  Speaker 1: There's something about you. But that's just how big it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was on everyone's mind. People were obsessed.
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  Speaker 2: With these shows.
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  Speaker 1: Well, if you cast your minds back to Matt and
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  Speaker 1: Abby's season in 2019, which was five years ago.
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  Speaker 2: How crazy is that?
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  Speaker 3: The finale was held in South Africa and clearly this
• 13:19
  Speaker 3: was when the show still had a big budget.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was dominating ratings at the time and I
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: think it was really down to.
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: Producers casting contestants.
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  Speaker 1: Like Abbey Chatfield because even though she ended up getting
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  Speaker 1: the villain edit and they continuously slut shamed her on
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  Speaker 1: the show, she became the season's standout star and I
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  Speaker 1: think it's really down to the way she carried herself
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: after the show aired, because she was really on the
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: front foot of reaching out to podcasts. Remember, she was
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: on Shameless talking about her abortion. So interesting story about that.
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  Speaker 1: We actually, I think, technically interviewed Abby Chatfield first. And
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  Speaker 1: I remember we had the interview and we were really
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  Speaker 1: excited to put it out. And then that day, Shameless
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  Speaker 1: dropped their massive interview, which went everywhere, like pedestrian, the news,
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  Speaker 1: everyone was quoting this amazing interview they'd done and I
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  Speaker 1: was like fuck yeah and I think her being so
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  Speaker 1: proactive and media savvy helped her flip the switch on
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  Speaker 1: her own narrative but don't you think it was also
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  Speaker 1: really good timing for Abby because it was in 2019
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  Speaker 1: where people were sort of calling out misogyny and they
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  Speaker 1: were calling out people who were slut shaming other people
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  Speaker 1: and she became the real poster child for that I
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  Speaker 1: think Rosie Waterland also had a lot to do with
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  Speaker 1: it because I think she was recapping The Bachelor on
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  Speaker 1: her podcast at the time. And she was one of
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  Speaker 1: the first people to really jump up and down about
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  Speaker 1: the slut shaming that Abby was receiving. Now, Abby made
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  Speaker 1: it to the final two with fellow contestant Chelsea McLeod.
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  Speaker 1: And the whole time producers tried to push this narrative
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  Speaker 1: that Chelsea was the good girl that you'd want to
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  Speaker 1: take home to your parents. And that Abby was this
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  Speaker 1: mastermind who was somehow manipulating Matt with her sex appeal.
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  Speaker 2: It was almost as if.
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  Speaker 1: They were trying to portray Matt as some goody two
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  Speaker 1: shoes as well. Yeah. He actually touched on that during
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  Speaker 1: his interview with Abby. He said, for some reason, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the girls in the house thought that he
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: was highly religious and that he was very conservative, but
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  Speaker 1: he pointed out that he's left wing and an atheist.
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  Speaker 1: So They didn't really know his character very well. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's because the producers kept sticking him in glasses.
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  Speaker 1: And I know that sounds so stereotypical, but it was
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  Speaker 1: like they were trying to ham up, oh, he's a
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: geek when he doesn't even wear glasses anymore.
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: Like he was a bit of a goody two shoes.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And we all know that during the finale, Matt
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: dumped Abby and she was shocked by the decision.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: I remember her just bawling her eyes out.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: Well, she was very young. She was only 23 at
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: the time. They made such a big point about She's 23.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: She's too young for him.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: She doesn't know what she wants.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: Well, in this podcast interview, Matt admitted that it was
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: a really tough situation for both of them. He said,
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: it's an intense situation for all parties, I think. And
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: having to do that and like literally stand there on camera,
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: knowing that I'm about to really hurt someone that I
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: care about was a shit thing. You forget that it
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: would be hard for the person doing the dumping as well.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: Because he didn't get a chance to speak to Abby
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: at all after. You know how they send them home
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: in the car? Yeah. He literally didn't speak to her
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: until after he broke up with Chelsea. Yeah, well, out
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: of fairness to the person that you chose, it's hardly
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: like you could be texting the.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: Person and giving them almost false hope.
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Well, over the past five years, I think the general
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: public has picked up on the fact that Abby and
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Matt are in a good place with each other. We've
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: seen them exchange a few pleasantries over social media and
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: And they've both spoken about each other in a very
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: glowing light when they're interviewed for stuff. Remember Abby's boyfriend,
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Adam Hyde, he ran into Matt as well quite recently.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: And there was an iconic photo of the two of
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: them out at a pub. I feel like we were
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: always missing a piece of the puzzle because we never
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: really knew how they became friends from being exes. That
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: would be a really tough thing to do. But Abby
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: revealed in this podcast that she reached out to Matt
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: once she heard that he'd broken up with Chelsea. Now,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: he took a couple of months to reply to her
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: but then ended up reaching out and they agreed to
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: meet up. Wow, imagine spotting those two out. See, it
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: makes me think because Abby said that she wanted some
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: closure from Matt but do you think she thought, oh,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: if he's got rid of Chelsea, maybe we could rekindle things? Well,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: she said that her message to Matt wasn't overly flirty.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: She just said what happened, like as in what happened
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: between her and Matt and just that she had no
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: idea what how things ended in the way that they did. Now,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: when they met up, it sounded like things got off
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: to an awkward start because Abby said.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: She was convinced that Matt hated her.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: And I think that this really came from that press
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: day that they did.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: Do you remember this?
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: So you know how the winning contestants would meet the
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: press the next day, they'd go on all the radio
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: shows and the runner up would also have to do interviews.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: And it was really awkward because Abby came across Matt
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: and Chelsea. So they were doing an interview around the
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: same time in the Nova studio. Yeah.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: And there was a glass window.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: So Matt and Chelsea were sitting directly behind her as
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: she was being interviewed with their arms around each other.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: And she said that this is probably one of the
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: most horrible things that I've actually experienced in my life.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: And she looked really upset. This was all caught on camera.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: And during Matt and Chelsea's interview, The host asked them
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: how they were feeling to come across Abby and Chelsea
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: joked that Matt bolted at the side of her. So
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I think that's why Abby thought that he must hate
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: her and not want anything to do with her.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: I also think that because she didn't.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Really get along with many of the girls in the house,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: maybe she thought Chelsea had turned him against her and
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: twisted things that she said. Well, I mean, he was
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: obviously just trying to be respectful to his partner at
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: the time.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, definitely.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Now, it was quite interesting because their first meetup happened
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: at Abby's house. So she said that she made him gnocchi,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: which was one of Khan's recipes.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: And Matt brought over ice cream.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: And the reason that they had to meet up at
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: her house was because He'd just recently.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Broken up with Chelsea.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: So they knew that if they got papped, they would
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: pose as though he'd broken up with her because Abby
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: had always.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Been in the picture.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: He was able to clear things up with Abby, thankfully, though,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: on this first meetup.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Here's what he said.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: I remember one of the first things you asked me
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: was you thought I hated you through both Yeah, the
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: kind of immediate aftermath of filming. But then all the
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: media threw out and thinking that I hate you. And
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: I was like, it's the complete opposite. Like, I care
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: about this person and I can't reach out to them.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: And that was that was a shitty thing because then
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: when you finally did get to talk to me about it,
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: I was like, I hate that you had to kind
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: of carry that idea that there was any sort of,
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: you know, nastiness or hatred or animosity.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: I think there was a lot of catharsis and clarity.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: The first catch up we got to have and actually
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: like talk about these things and Yeah, I think there
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: was certainly questions from your side that I'd wanted to
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: answer for a long time. And then I think it was, yeah,
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: there was clearly a connection that we had that wasn't
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: shown at all. And so being able to now pick
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: that back up and reconnect in that way about all
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: these wonderful things that we used to talk about and
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: engage about. So I think, yeah, it was a really good–
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: I was really, really glad that we got to reconnect.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Thanks. I'm sorry, but the fact that Abby made gnocchi
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: for him and he brought ice cream, this sounds like
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: a date to me.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Oh, I definitely got those vibes.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, Abby said, to be clear, nothing has ever
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: happened between Matt and I off camera. I mean, I
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: believe that, but they both had so much chemistry on
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: the show.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: You can't tell me.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Both of them weren't actually thinking, is something going to happen?
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Well, it's just seemed like a date.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, 100%.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: And maybe when they caught up, they realized that the
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: spark wasn't there. Something that is quite sweet is that
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: this beautiful friendship has blossomed because during the interview, they
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: said that they were both living in Bondi and they
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: spent a lot of time helping each other out with
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: their mental health struggles. But again, they said that they
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: had to do this in private because if the paps
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: caught them, let's say, at a cafe and they were
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: hugging each other.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Or consoling or one of them was crying.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: It would be very easy to build a fake narrative
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: around that and say, oh, they're back together and blow
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: it up into a huge thing. Now, everyone seemed to
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: be shipping this Abby and Matt friendship. So under the promo,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: one follower wrote, probably the healthiest relationship to come from
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the franchise. Whilst another said, you two, if only adults
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: acted as.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Mature as this.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: They did manage to drop a couple of other bombshells
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: during this episode. So Abby revealed that some of the
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: women in the house tried to force her to reveal
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: to Matt that she was bisexual and also that she
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: had an abortion.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: It's She said that she.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Was treating the whole mansion experience a bit like a sleepover.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: So she was opening up to.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: The girls about the fact that she'd previously slept with
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: a woman, about her abortion. And also she said that, well,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: she laughs now. She said it's quite funny because she
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: said that one of the cameramen who now works on
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: FBoy Island vividly remembers her drawing of pictures of butt
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: plugs for some of the women and she was trying
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: to educate them on which ones would suit them can
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: you imagine i'll be showing.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Up in casting because they would be like this is like.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Every producer's dream yeah this girl is fantastic yeah well
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: also i remember in our interview with her she also
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: revealed that at one stage during their time in the
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: mansion all of the girls compared their vaginas yeah so
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: clearly they were all pretty open about talking about stuff
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: But Abby said that one of the girls confronted her
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: in the pantry in the kitchen and told her she
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: must tell Matt about her sexuality.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: But if you think about it, remember back in the
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: day on The Bachelor, there were so many subplots about
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: the women's sexuality because it was right after Brooke Blurton. Yeah,
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: but there was also, remember it was, Was it Tiffany and.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, Tiffany and one of the other contestants got together after.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Megan Marks.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: And it was like the biggest story ever. It was
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: as if no one had ever heard of a lesbian
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: couple before. It was big news. Well, Abby said that
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: one of the reasons she didn't want to tell Matt
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: about this on camera was one, because she didn't think
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: it was a big deal. And two, because Brooke Blurton
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: had faced a lot of scrutiny for coming out as bi.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: And she thought, well, I don't want to have to
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: deal with all of that.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Now let's listen to what Abby said about that confrontation
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: in the pantry.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: One time one of the girls cornered me into the
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: butler's pantry and was like, you have to tell him.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: And I was like, why?
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: Why is it in his business whose pussy I've eaten? Like,
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: I was like, I'll tell him if we end up together. Like,
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: but it's not a confession. I was like, I don't,
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: he doesn't need to know. And because I knew you
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: wouldn't care because we'd spoken about politics.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: I was like, he's left wing.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: I'm like, he doesn't give a fuck. What are you
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: guys talking about? And they all thought you were some conservative.
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: Didn't they think.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: I was religious or something at one stage?
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: It was like, I'm a militant atheist.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: And they're like, He's.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: Conservative, religious. He needs to know about abortions and bike
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: and all this stuff.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: I couldn't give a fuck.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: You do you. It's so wild to think that that
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: even went on and that the women in the house
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: thought this was appropriate.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: To bring up with her.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: It was quite interesting to hear Matt's take on it
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: and what was happening on his side of things because
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: he said that a lot of the producers were trying
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: to guide him into asking Abby specific questions about, kids
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: and her sexuality.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Here's what he said.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: And then they'd be like, Abby doesn't want kids. And
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: no one would ever tell you that I had an abortion,
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: but that conversation happened. And the next day it was
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: on our date. And then you're getting encouraged to ask
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: me these questions. I can tell you're so uncomfortable.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's this kind of like, oh, you need to,
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: they're trying to guide me down this garden path of
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: asking specific questions. I'm like, what are you trying to
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: get me to do here? And it was, yeah, there's
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: this kind of puppeteering almost of creating so it's authentic
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: and organic, but it's like not really. You're trying to
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: drive particular conversations and whatnot. Yeah.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: That is so disgusting, especially trying to guide her to
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: talk about her abortion.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, would they even?
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: Aired the conversation on Channel 10.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Back in 2019?
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Particularly in that time slot as well. And I just
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: don't understand why it's relevant at all. Matt said when
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: he watched the show, it was really frustrating to see
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: how Abby was edited because he said that they'd had
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: so many interesting conversations with substance about feminism and politics.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: And of course, all of those got cut out. I
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: would highly recommend checking out this interview. There are two
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: parts to it. It's very interesting to see this chemistry
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: they still have. But then the fact that it's clear
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: that they're just friends. I saw this snippet on Abby's Instagram.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I was just looking at the pair and I thought
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: he could not be more polar opposite to her current boyfriend,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Adam Hyde. I just can't imagine Abby being with anybody
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: but him. Travis Kelsey and his brother Jason have signed
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: a huge $ 100 million podcast deal with Amazon. It is
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: a huge deal for the brothers. That is US dollars
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: as well. Now, the three-year deal grants Amazon's podcast company
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Wondery the exclusive multimedia rights to their New Heights podcast.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: It's crazy to think that Travis and Jason only released
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: this podcast in 2022 and it started off as a
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: sports podcast, but it really has become a cultural phenomenon,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: especially since Travis started dating Taylor. I see this popping
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: up on my TikTok, on my Facebook all the time.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also the.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Place where he announced his intentions with Taylor Swift because
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: He told his brother how he'd made a bracelet for
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: her with his.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Phone number on it. He didn't get a chance to
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: give it to her.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, that podcast clip went viral.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: I would love to see how many new followers the
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: podcast has got since the whole Taylor Swift effect. It
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: did win podcast of the year at the 2024.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: iHeart Podcast Awards.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: What happens in this situation if Taylor Swift and your
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: boyfriend signs a $ 100 million deal? Like, you know, seeing
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: as she's a billionaire, is it sort of like, try harder.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: That's not that good.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's still a lot of money.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, even a lot of people would think, oh, well,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Travis and Jason must be earning a lot of money
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: because they play for the NFL. But if you look
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: at Travis's career for the past couple of years, he's
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: been earning around $ 14 million a year. So this is
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: a huge deal.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Now, when I saw the $ 100 million, I thought, fuck,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: that is huge. But if you break it down, it's
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: $ 16 million a year.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: That's such a small figure.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: No, I'm not saying it is, but it's interesting that
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: he's making the same off the podcast pretty much as
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: he is off his NFL career. But this is a
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: side project for them that they, you know, they do
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: this at their houses for fun.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Hey, hey, hey, we have a podcast.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: And that's a lot of work. Yeah, but they only
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: record an episode a week.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's a huge deal considering they only started this
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: podcast once. two years ago. And this news comes off
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: the back of Call Her Daddy podcast host, Alex Cooper's
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: $ 125 million deal with Sirius XM. I mean, if you
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: compare that, that's also a three-year deal. She's earning $ 125 million.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: She's been in the podcast game a lot longer than
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: the Kelsey brothers.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, I was shocked to hear that they were earning
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: that much.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: I just think it's interesting when you break it down
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: to compare it to his NFL career.
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Surely Wondery knows something that we don't know. Is Taylor
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Swift going to be a guest on this podcast? Because
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: the amount of people that are going to tune in
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: to hear their chemistry together on a podcast is huge
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: and probably worth $ 100 million. Well, there's been rumours, I mean,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: there's been rumours for months and months about Travis Kelsey proposing.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, think about that.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Even if Taylor isn't on it, just the fact he'd
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: be dropping details about their upcoming wedding, that's.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: A huge thing for Wondery.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Now, Sophie, did you know in relation to Alex Cooper,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: that she has a podcast network called the Unwell Network.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's her brand. She has Unwell Clothing as well.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but on her podcast network she has a number
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: of influencer podcasts. One of those is Alex Earle's Hot
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Mess podcast.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I did know that.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so this was actually part of the $ 125 million
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: deal that these podcasts would also be signed over to
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: the SiriusXM network.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: So if you kind of compare the two deals– The
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: Kelsey brothers are.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Doing pretty well.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: This is yet another big blow for Spotify because according
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: to reports, they are having to get rid of staff
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: to make up for the more than $ 1 billion that
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: they've spent on podcasting, much of which went towards celebrity deals.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: So if you think about the money that they threw
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: at Harry and Meghan, and that really didn't substantiate into much.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: A lot of.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: These podcasts that they put money towards, the podcast never
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: actually materialized And they also acquired a number of podcast
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: studios that later shut down. So it's kind of sad
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: because a few years ago, it seemed like Spotify was
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: this huge powerhouse in the podcasting industry, but they've really
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: been rocked by a number of.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Deals, which hasn't seemed to have gone their way.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Let's get into our highs and lows of the week.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Now my low is very fresh and I'm still dealing
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: with the aftermaths of it. So basically last night I
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: had a beautiful dinner with you, Sophie, and a friend
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: heading home, and I was parked at the red light
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: just about, what, like five minutes away from my house,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: and an 18-year-old pea-plater decided to rear-end my brand-new car.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: I was on the phone to you when this happened.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: I just said, fuck!
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Hands-free, I must add.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I was not in the wrong.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: No, no.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: I just was like, are you kidding?
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Like, I specifically bought a white car for the safety element, and...
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: obviously this guy was not paying any attention thankfully he
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: did stop and he gave me his details and dealing
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: with that today it's been quite a.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Nightmare and thank god no one was injured.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: As well yeah because he was heading along he claims
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: that he thought the light was turning green um i
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: don't know why he thought all the cars were parked
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: there and um but he did slow down so it
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: wasn't a huge hit it could have been a lot
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: worse what's your high of the week well my high
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: in the week was uh i mentioned last week on
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: the podcast i was heading to melbourne for a wedding
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: and And I actually had the most amazing experience on Sunday.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: A friend and I actually went along.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: To the Ritz Carlton.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: I've got to add, I was wearing the most inappropriate
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: clothes to go to the Ritz Carlton.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: I was in like a jagged hoodie and tights. I
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: didn't realize we were going there.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: But they have the best view of the cityscape in Melbourne.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: It was right on the top. It's like a full.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: 360 degree view of the city. And the most amazing
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: thing rainbow came out.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Now I think I've got the dates wrong. It was
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: actually on Saturday.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Anyone who is in Melbourne on Saturday will remember this rainbow,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: but I witnessed it from the most incredible view.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: It looked like it was going through buildings.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: My low of the week is that we hosted Father's
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Day at my house and it was so nice. We
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: had Brandon's family over, but the reason it's a low
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: is because I made a Mexican corn salad And it
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: wasn't really a hit.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: So I enjoyed it.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Wait, so what was in the corn salad besides corn?
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: So there were like full corn on the cobs, which,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: you know, you get the knife and cut them off.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: You fry them. You put butter. Then there's spring onion.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Feta?
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Red onion, feta.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: What else?
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Not parsley.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Coriander.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think what is the herb that everyone hates.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: Coriander.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Then there's sour cream and mayonnaise, salt and pepper. I
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: fucking had some the night before.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, my God. This is delicious.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: It kind of sounds a bit like a cob loaf
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: dip without so much of the.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Cream cheese and everything.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Where I went wrong though, was I put it
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: in the fridge overnight and I think that some of
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: the moisture came out of it.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: So it looked a bit clumpy.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Anyway, my brother-in-law and my husband are not fans of corn.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Like I know that my husband, he never eats salad.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: So I knew he wouldn't even have any. Who doesn't
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: like corn? I fucking love corn. Let's put up a
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: poll who likes corn enough. Oh, my God.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Now I'm just getting that viral TikTok of that kid. Oh,
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: I forgot that.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I really like corn.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Anyway, so we put all of the salad. We had
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: a barbecue. Put everything out on the table. My brother-in-law says, oh,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: my God, I'm sorry. I cannot eat that.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: That literally looks like my dog Ziggy's poo. And that
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: is because they have recently been giving their dog corn.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: So not the sort of admiration, you know, the praise
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: that you were hoping that by making this handmade salad.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: But then it made me even off it. Like I
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: had to laugh because to be fair.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: To him, it was spot on.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: It looked exactly like.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: The dog's poo. We had seen it the week before
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: and we were having a laugh about it. No one's
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: going to be making this salad now. I can't imagine
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: anyone slipping into our DMs asking for the recipe. No,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: it put me off it. Well, what's your high? My
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: high of the week is that I went on this
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: lovely solo shopping trip. Usually we go together or I
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: go with my mum. But I went by myself and
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: it was so nice because I could obviously look at
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: whatever I wanted to look at without any concern of
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: what other people wanted to look at. And I walked
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: into Big W and I was just overwhelmed with happiness
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: when I saw one of the teenage kids there literally
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: putting the Christmas trees up.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: So all of the Christmas shit is out.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: But I wondered.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Because it's August. They haven't even put the Halloween stuff
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: out yet.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Well, it's September now.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Well, this was August when I saw it on the weekend.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I think that's quite possibly the earliest I've ever seen
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Christmas stuff out. But my initial thought was I should
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: buy stuff now because it always sells out. I wonder
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: if people are over Halloween stuff because I like having
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: a Halloween party, but I don't then go out and
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: buy new Halloween decorations. It doesn't excite me the way
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: that Christmas excites me.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: It doesn't.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get excited by it, but it just
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: seems like a bit of a filler holiday. We have
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: such an excuse this year now that we have a
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: nephew because we're going to do a Christmas light competition.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: So last year in the sales, we bought a ton
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: of lights. So this is a way to get up.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Well, I bought, I say a ton. You bought a
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: ton of lights. I bought a couple of tasteful Christmas pieces.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: If anyone early next year is looking to actually go
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: and get some bargain Christmas lights, cheapest chips is the
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: place to go at first i was a bit judgmental
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: on the christmas lights i was like but honestly the
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: amount of like.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Really cool led.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Huge ones they had you know like the santas or
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: the the trains or the cutout ones yeah they have
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: the cutout ones and the cutouts are what dale and
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: i needed because you have lots of lights but you
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: don't have those standout pieces oh gosh.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: I went Crazy because they're all 50% off.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: I knew not to buy too many. because I feared
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: that they wouldn't get put up and they'd go to waste. Well,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: you need to get your front yard sorted for Christmas,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: don't you? Yeah, we're doing full renos in the front
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: yard when it gets a bit hotter.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: So hopefully we.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Can have that done before December because I really want
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: my display to be nice because we've got big bushes
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: out the front, which would block the display.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: But you know what we should do?
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Every year, the newspaper here in Adelaide, they do this
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: list of amazing suburbs to check out for Christmas lights.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: In our Facebook group, we should start sharing some suburbs
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: that are really good ones to go and check out.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Because I know here in Adelaide, it's St.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Peter's.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Their whole street does light.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Which street?
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Is it First Street?
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: I think it's like your First Avenue or something.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: It gets so confusing because they're all like First Avenue,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Second Avenue, Third Avenue. Yeah, Kernelite Gardens is also an
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: amazing spot in Adelaide. Also, Lobethal is a great one. Well,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I think that is all we have time for today.
• 36:46
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• 36:50
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• 37:00
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• 37:02
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• 37:18
  Speaker 1: the Kaurna people of the Adelaide Plains.
• 37:20
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• 37:25
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