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The Ashy Bines “You Stink” Drama Returns · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken.
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  Speaker 2: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture
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  Speaker 2: news twice a week.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Kate Torber.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Sophie Torber. And I'm Amy Torber. And coming up
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  Speaker 2: on today's show, Ashley Bynes shuts down her brand in
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  Speaker 2: New Zealand. Justin McKeon is facing bankruptcy ahead of a
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  Speaker 2: new court case. Sammy Guggenheimer reveals she was sued last year.
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  Speaker 2: Molly May responds to the Venezuela wedding backlash. and the
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  Speaker 2: deepfake scandal plaguing Louis Tomlinson and Zara McDermott. But first,
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  Speaker 2: the internet has a new obsession, dot cakes. These have
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  Speaker 2: been popping up all over my For You page. I've
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  Speaker 2: got to admit, I had no idea what you were
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  Speaker 2: talking about when you brought this up as a topic.
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  Speaker 2: And now it's like my phone was listening into our conversation,
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  Speaker 2: which I'm sure it was, because they have infiltrated my
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  Speaker 2: feed and I am desperate to taste one of them.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a sucker for hundreds and thousands. I reckon these
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  Speaker 2: haven't been popping up for you, Kate, because people have
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  Speaker 2: been recreating their own dot cakes at home and they're
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  Speaker 2: using packet cakes to make them and you are hate
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  Speaker 2: a packet cake. You've been known to absolutely slam anyone
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  Speaker 2: who uses them. Oh, I think that's a bit harsh.
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  Speaker 2: I literally just said I prefer the taste of home-cooked cakes.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care if people, I just said you can
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  Speaker 2: tell the difference. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Which you can.
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  Speaker 2: And just in case any listeners have been living under
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  Speaker 2: a rock like Kate, it's quite self-explanatory, but the dot
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  Speaker 2: cakes are this single serve sponge cake that are dipped
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  Speaker 2: in hundreds and thousands. And they first started popping up
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  Speaker 2: on TikTok after influencers spotted them at a New York bakery.
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  Speaker 2: So everyone has been doing these ASMR taste tests. All
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  Speaker 2: of the influencers do the same thing. They scrape their
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  Speaker 2: spoon against the hundreds and thousands, which actually is quite
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  Speaker 2: unappealing to me because it makes it seem like the
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  Speaker 2: cake has been in the fridge for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: I was wondering who came up with the concept of
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  Speaker 2: the dot cake because I've only been seeing people making
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  Speaker 2: their own. I didn't know that it was from this
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  Speaker 2: famous bakery. Someone who's not... happy about it is taylor
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  Speaker 2: demir she thinks that people have gone crazy let's have
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  Speaker 2: a listen to what she said.
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  Speaker 1: No offense to the people doing it but.
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  Speaker 3: Dot cakes guys it's a fucking cupcake it is literally
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  Speaker 3: a cupcake with sprinkles my daughter gets them once a
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  Speaker 3: week at a cafe like what are you doing why
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  Speaker 3: are you falling for this why are you all racing
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  Speaker 3: off to film your little it's a cupcake.
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  Speaker 2: When I first saw these popping up, I 100% agreed
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  Speaker 2: with Taylor. I was like, this is just a cupcake
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  Speaker 2: with sprinkles on it. But since they've continued to pop
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  Speaker 2: up in my feed, I found myself continually thinking about
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  Speaker 2: them and craving them to the point where I've asked Dale,
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  Speaker 2: when he comes home from work, I need you to
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  Speaker 2: pick up hundreds and thousands. I've heard though that hundreds
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  Speaker 2: and thousands are really hard to get now because it's
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  Speaker 2: sort of like when everyone was making those cottage cheese
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  Speaker 2: and sweet potato bowls, all of the shelves are bare.
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  Speaker 2: These trends must really be passing me by because I
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  Speaker 2: don't even know what you're talking about for the sweep.
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 2: Is that why I can't get any cottage cheese? I
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  Speaker 2: thought it was just the bodybuilders eating it. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: all these trends seem to be missing me.
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  Speaker 1: If you're looking to.
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  Speaker 3: Make some probably very good money and wanting to help
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  Speaker 3: me out, this video is for you.
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  Speaker 2: Sam Guggenheimer has revealed she was sued last year. The
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  Speaker 2: 24-year-old made the confession during an episode of her podcast,
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  Speaker 2: Hotter Than Yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and she dropped.
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  Speaker 2: The juicy details while interviewing comedian Fergus Neal. And there's
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  Speaker 2: an interesting background between these two because it was only
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  Speaker 2: last year that she went viral on his podcast, On It,
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  Speaker 2: Off It, after teasing a liaison with a famous rapper.
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  Speaker 2: So during that interview... she revealed that she had been
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  Speaker 2: speaking on FaceTime to someone, quote, very famous, and she
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  Speaker 2: admitted that they said that they would pay a lot
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  Speaker 2: of money to subscribe to her OnlyFans account if she
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  Speaker 2: had one. Now, during that interview, Fergus and his co-hosts
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  Speaker 2: were really pushing Sam to spill the details on who
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  Speaker 2: it was, and she said, oh, okay, I'll tell you
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  Speaker 2: if you beep it out. Now, they did censor out
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  Speaker 2: the name, but the conversation that followed made it really
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  Speaker 2: obvious to who it was, And many people started tagging
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  Speaker 2: the rapper who was Central C. I feel positively ancient.
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea who Central C is. I have
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  Speaker 2: no idea, but apparently he is very famous and a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people clocked it straight away. Now, in this
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  Speaker 2: recent episode, Sam and Fergus were reflecting on that past
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  Speaker 2: episode and Fergus said to Sam, oh, you seem a
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  Speaker 2: lot happier and less stressed than when we spoke last year.
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  Speaker 1: And then Sam replied this. I'm chill now. I'm just like,
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  Speaker 1: what will be, will be. I'm an easier person to
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  Speaker 1: be around. Do you think that was going to London?
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  Speaker 1: I think it was being sued.
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  Speaker 2: That'll do it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll do it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so getting sued, it really puts into perspective, like,
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  Speaker 2: gratitude and, like, I'm grateful for the ocean, grateful for.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds like she was going through a hell of
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  Speaker 2: a lot last year. Now, she didn't elaborate further, but
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  Speaker 2: the comment comes off the back of Sam revealing in
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  Speaker 2: April that she had been silenced due to ongoing legal
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  Speaker 2: and representation issues dating back to the middle of last year.
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  Speaker 2: She said she'd love to be honest and tell her
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  Speaker 2: audience the full law, but is unable to as contract
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  Speaker 2: negotiations were still going on behind the scenes. Now, at
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  Speaker 2: the time, we speculated that it seemed like she was
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  Speaker 2: referring to issues surrounding her now-defunct podcast that she co-hosted
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  Speaker 2: with fellow influencer and former best friend Izzy Armitage. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it makes a lot of sense because if you're being
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  Speaker 2: sued and going through that legal process, then you can't
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  Speaker 2: publicly comment on it. You have to abide by confidentiality agreements. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: this makes me think we're not actually going to hear
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  Speaker 2: what really went on because if this has been finalised
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  Speaker 2: in court, then all of the parties would have signed
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  Speaker 2: confidentiality agreements. So we're just going to have little breadcrumbs
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  Speaker 2: dropped here and there when these influencers jump on a podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Ashy Binds has quietly shut down her fragrance brand hideaway
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  Speaker 2: in New Zealand. Operations will cease across the ditch in
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  Speaker 2: June with Kiwi customers being urged to stock up while
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  Speaker 2: they can. Well, it wasn't actually Ashy who broke this
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  Speaker 2: news because she is yet to announce this on her
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  Speaker 2: social channels. Instead, the update was posted on Hideaway's New
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  Speaker 2: Zealand website. It read, after 10 years building Hideaway globally
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  Speaker 2: and two years running our New Zealand site, we've made
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  Speaker 2: the decision to shut it down for good. When the
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  Speaker 2: New Zealand site closes on June 17, we won't be
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  Speaker 2: shipping to New Zealand from Australia either. So this sale
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  Speaker 2: is genuinely your last chance to get Hideaway.
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  Speaker 1: It's very clear.
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  Speaker 2: That they are keen to get rid of this stock
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  Speaker 2: because they said they've got 16,000 units left in their
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  Speaker 2: Auckland warehouse. And after June 17, it's being shipped back
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  Speaker 2: to Australia and, Now, they've dropped their perfume that's normally
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  Speaker 2: priced at $ 50 down to $ 20. I had a look
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  Speaker 2: at how much it's selling for in Australia, though, and
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  Speaker 2: they must be having issues moving stock here because they
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  Speaker 2: currently have a deal in Australia, five perfumes for $ 100,
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  Speaker 2: which is essentially the same as the New Zealand deal.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not ultra surprising that they're shutting up
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  Speaker 2: shop in New Zealand. It was just last April. when
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  Speaker 2: they got a lot of backlash for launching perfume into
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  Speaker 2: the country. So Ashi and Hideaway were slammed for running
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  Speaker 2: an offensive marketing campaign that used Maori slang. I remember
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  Speaker 2: we covered this story in depth. I think our headline
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  Speaker 2: or title for the episode was Ashi Bynes Thinks You Stink.
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  Speaker 1: Was that right?
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  Speaker 2: It was. Yes, and it did create quite a lot
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  Speaker 2: of downloads based on that title.
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  Speaker 1: It was a good one.
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  Speaker 2: So essentially what happened was they contacted Kiwi customers To
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  Speaker 2: tell them they stink and that they should buy their perfume,
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  Speaker 2: that was basically the crux of the campaign. The text
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  Speaker 2: message read, Sure bro, you stink like Rotorua, eh? Grab
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  Speaker 2: some of this mean ass perfume from the cuz around
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  Speaker 2: the corner. Lara reckons it's choice as, so hook yourself up.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I can't see how it possibly offended anyone.
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  Speaker 2: Who came up with this concept? Like who was in
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  Speaker 2: the marketing team that was like, yep, this is a
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  Speaker 2: great idea.
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  Speaker 1: How do these things- Chat GPT.
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  Speaker 2: But how do these things actually get approved by a
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  Speaker 2: broader team? Like this isn't just an individual at home,
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  Speaker 2: like an individual influencer who's like, yep, that's a good idea.
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  Speaker 2: I love that they knew that they'd instantly fucked up
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  Speaker 2: because it only took an hour and 20 minutes before
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  Speaker 2: the brand messaged everyone saying, sorry if our last message
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  Speaker 2: came off wrong. Just Kiwi banter. We've got proud Kiwis
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  Speaker 2: on the team and meant no offence.
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  Speaker 1: All love.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, an absolute backflip there. And to put this
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  Speaker 2: into perspective of just how tone deaf it was, for
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  Speaker 2: listeners unfamiliar with Rotorua, it's a city in New Zealand
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  Speaker 2: that's a bit of a tourist hotspot. And it's actually
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  Speaker 2: situated in this volcanic region and renowned for its geothermal
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  Speaker 2: activity and Maori culture. Now, the town is known for
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  Speaker 2: having a distinctive sulfur smell due to the area's geothermal activity.
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  Speaker 2: And basically, it releases hydrogen sulfate gas, which is known
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  Speaker 2: to smell like rotten eggs. Can you just imagine if
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  Speaker 2: they had put this in chat GPT and were like, fuck,
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  Speaker 2: what do we say? It's all gone wrong. And chat
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  Speaker 2: GPT would be like, it's not your fault that you've
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  Speaker 2: made this decision. It wasn't actually in poor taste. It
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  Speaker 2: might be that the people just don't understand the joke.
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  Speaker 2: How about the joke won? I mean, at the time,
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  Speaker 2: the mayor of Rotorua even got involved saying it was
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  Speaker 2: unbelievably unfortunate that Ashley and her team in Australia thought
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  Speaker 2: the message was acceptable. She went on to say, whoever
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  Speaker 2: thought the marketing text sent out to New Zealanders mocking
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  Speaker 2: our slang would go down well as an Australian company
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  Speaker 2: missed the mark big time. I always find it amusing
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  Speaker 2: when people in serious positions like this, have to comment
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  Speaker 2: on influencer incidents.
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  Speaker 1: Like the fact that the.
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  Speaker 2: Mayor knows who Ashley Bynes is, is quite amusing. It
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  Speaker 2: seems like Hideaway never recovered from this incident in New Zealand.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very interested to see what happens in the next
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  Speaker 2: couple of months with the brand in Australia, because it
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  Speaker 2: is quite puzzling that they're doing the same sale in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: Did we wake up to find out that Zara McDermott
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  Speaker 3: had cheated on Louis Tomlinson with Joey Essex?
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  Speaker 2: Louis Tomlinson's girlfriend Zara McDermott has been the target of
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  Speaker 2: online abuse after a deep fake photo began circulating of
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  Speaker 2: her sharing an intimate moment with Joey Essex. The AI-generated
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  Speaker 2: clip was created off the back of innocent pap photos
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  Speaker 2: taken at a reality show wrap party. Now, Soph, this
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  Speaker 2: is such an interesting pairing of UK celebrities. How does
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  Speaker 2: Zara and Joey Essex of all people know each other? Well,
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  Speaker 2: they recently became friends after appearing alongside each other on
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  Speaker 2: a cooking show called Cooking with the Stars. And they
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  Speaker 2: probably have a bit in common because they also both
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  Speaker 2: appeared on separate seasons of Love Island. Joey was a
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  Speaker 2: celebrity contestant because he made a name for himself 10
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  Speaker 2: years ago on the show The Only Way is Essex. Interestingly,
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  Speaker 2: Zara also appeared on Made in Chelsea. So I mean,
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  Speaker 2: as Former reality stars, they'd run in a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the same circles. I completely forgot that Joey Essex was
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  Speaker 2: on Love Island. But when you just said that, all
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  Speaker 2: I could see was his white teeth entering the villa.
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  Speaker 2: Like I feel like his teeth entered the villa before
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  Speaker 2: he did. It's clear he's trying to revive his career
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  Speaker 2: because he's been on a lot of reality shows. He
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  Speaker 2: was recently on I'm a Celeb, the Australian version as well.
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  Speaker 2: All I remember about Joey on The Only Way is
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  Speaker 2: Essex is that he'd buy shoes that were two sizes
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  Speaker 2: too small for him because he said he didn't like
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  Speaker 2: the fold.
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  Speaker 1: In the shoe.
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  Speaker 2: And so we'd like waddle around in these awful shoes.
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  Speaker 2: I remember I used to call girls salty potatoes as well.
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  Speaker 2: That was like a hot girl was a salty potato
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  Speaker 2: because who doesn't like salty potatoes? It still blows my
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  Speaker 2: mind that Louis Tomlinson and Zara McDermott are a couple.
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  Speaker 1: I remember when that came out and it was so weird.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, what? It was like two worlds colliding.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, they've been dating since early 2025. And a
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  Speaker 2: lot of fans were heartbroken when these pap photos emerged
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  Speaker 2: of them holding hands and dining out together. There's almost
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  Speaker 2: this element of snobbery from Louis' fans because a lot
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  Speaker 2: of them seem to think that she's not famous enough
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  Speaker 2: to be dating Louis. And because she came from a
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  Speaker 2: reality TV background, it's like she's not good enough for
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  Speaker 2: their man. I mean, no disrespect to Zara, but I
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  Speaker 2: suppose when you compare her level of fame to, say,
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: Harry Styles' girlfriends, you've got Taylor Swift and Zayn Malik was.
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  Speaker 1: well, we had a baby with Gigi Hadid.
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  Speaker 2: I suppose on that level of fame, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: I think Zara being the girl next door, being on
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  Speaker 2: a reality show, people look at her and go, that
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  Speaker 2: should be me.
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  Speaker 1: It's that element.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look, they'd never be happy with whoever he
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  Speaker 2: chose to date. They would like him to be eternally single. Now,
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  Speaker 2: back in March, 2025, Louis and Zara were dropping a
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  Speaker 2: They then went Instagram official with a cute photo of
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  Speaker 2: them kissing on Instagram. He also opened up about his
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  Speaker 2: relationship with Zara during his interview on the Diary of
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  Speaker 2: a CEO. He said, I'm a deeply, deeply romantic person. Adding,
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  Speaker 2: for me, I have to be living it. It has
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  Speaker 2: to be literal. It has to be real to me.
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  Speaker 2: So if I wasn't feeling so good like right now,
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: I wasn't feeling so in love, the record probably would
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  Speaker 2: have a slightly different.
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  Speaker 1: Feel to it.
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  Speaker 2: So a lot of fans... heartbroken that these love songs
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  Speaker 2: are clearly about Zara McDermott. It gets a bit tiresome
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  Speaker 2: how jealous the 1D fans are. Like, I understand you
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  Speaker 2: love these boys, but they have to move on. Like,
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  Speaker 2: don't you want them to actually, you know, in.
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  Speaker 1: Their 30s have a girlfriend?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but Soph, can you stop with the voodoo doll
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  Speaker 2: of Zara McDermott? Oh my God, I like Zara McDermott.
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  Speaker 2: I keep going to say Zara McDonald. I'm worried that
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  Speaker 2: someone's going to say it. Their names are obviously so similar.
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  Speaker 2: Now that we all know the main players, let's jump
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  Speaker 2: into what actually went down. So Zara and Joey were
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  Speaker 2: attending a wrap party to mark the end of Cooking
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  Speaker 2: with the Stars and they were papped walking out of
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  Speaker 2: the party. To put this into context, it's not like
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  Speaker 2: they were hiding. They were literally standing in front of
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  Speaker 2: a large window. Now in the photos, Joey gave Zara
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  Speaker 2: a peck on the cheek and she briefly wrapped her
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  Speaker 2: arm around him. They then went their separate ways and
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  Speaker 2: Zara jumped into a waiting car. So it was all
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  Speaker 2: very innocent. But if you didn't know the context that
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  Speaker 2: they actually do know each other because they've just appeared
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  Speaker 2: on a reality show together, you'd be like, why are
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  Speaker 2: they hanging out?
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  Speaker 1: This is weird.
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  Speaker 2: Why is she catching up with Joey Essex behind Louis
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  Speaker 2: Tomlinson's back? Now, when these photos were first published, a
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  Speaker 2: source told The Sun, Zara and Joey grew close during
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  Speaker 2: filming and have become good friends. adding, they got on
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  Speaker 2: really well, but it's all very innocent. She's head over
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  Speaker 2: heels with Louis and they're totally committed to each other. Now,
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  Speaker 2: these photos have been all over my For You page
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of Louis' fans were reading into this
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  Speaker 2: very innocent moment and creating reaction videos to it. And
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  Speaker 2: off the back of these pap photos, someone went as
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  Speaker 2: far as creating a deep fake. So the deep fake
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  Speaker 2: showed the pair actually kissing. And this image has been
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  Speaker 2: doing the rounds on social media. Thousands of Louis fans
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  Speaker 2: who refer to themselves as Louis began sharing this image
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  Speaker 2: in an effort to expose Zara. One fan tagged Louis
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  Speaker 2: to let him know that his girlfriend is a notorious cheater,
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  Speaker 2: adding they knew this would happen. Now, this comment is
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: in reference to how Zara's last relationship ended. So in 2019,
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  Speaker 2: she cheated on her previous partner, Sam Thompson, with a
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  Speaker 2: music label exec. which created an infamous Made in Chelsea
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  Speaker 2: scene featuring her crying and begging for forgiveness. Now, Sam
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  Speaker 2: forgave Zara and they stayed together for five years.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: If Sam was happy to forgive Zara, why can't Louis'
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  Speaker 2: fans forgive her for this moment? I mean, the outpouring.
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  Speaker 1: Because they're jealous.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah. They keep saying, once a cheater, always a cheater.
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  Speaker 2: It's because they want to manifest it. The more they
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  Speaker 2: say it, the more trouble they can cause for this
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  Speaker 2: relationship in the hope that Louis will dump her.
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  Speaker 1: No, Sophie, I think you're wrong.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're looking out for him.
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  Speaker 1: Note the sarcasm.
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  Speaker 2: Well, journalist Dani Scott, who writes for the Metro, she
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: put together an opinion piece slamming Louis' fans. She wrote,
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  Speaker 2: Louis Tomlinson's fans have sharpened their pitchforks in a misogynistic
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  Speaker 2: witch hunt against his girlfriend, Zara McDermott. I mean, this
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  Speaker 2: is a real attempt to destroy their relationship or at
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: least make things difficult for them. If you were Zara,
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: you would be slightly annoyed that Louis hasn't come out
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: and defended her.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: Against his fans.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, to be fair to Louis' fans, I'm sure
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: the majority of them who saw that photo didn't know
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: it was a deep fake.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, that is the danger of deep fakes.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but Kate, you're acting like these fans are teenage girls.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: It's most likely women in their 30s who are aware.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: the deep fakes are inexistent. Yeah, but if the media
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: have already reported that she's been spotted with Joey Essex
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: and it looked like there was potentially something between them,
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: and then off the back of that, you then see
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: this other photo of them actually kissing, it.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Already strengthens the information that was out there.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but again, even if she was cheating on Louis
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: Tomlinson with Joey Essex and she'd been caught out There's
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: no excuse for some of the nasty bullying comments that
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: have been thrown her way. I don't think you can
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: ever condone that sort of bullying. I'm not condoning it,
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: but I am not surprised. That is just how the
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: internet reacts, particularly to women that they don't like or
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: are jealous of. Well, this deepfake has been reported to
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: the police. And when it comes to deepfakes, celebrities can
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: sue the creators of them in civil court for defamation
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: because in this case, this image is has the potential
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: to have ruined Zara's reputation. She could have lost brand
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: deals off the back of this or potential work opportunities.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, this deepfake wasn't of an explicit nature, but
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: it could have been triggering for her because she has
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: experienced revenge porn in the past. In 2021, she hosted
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: a BBC documentary where she spoke about her own experience
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: with it. And she was really applauded for her work
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: in this space. Now, neither Zara or Louis have commented
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: on the scandal. And Dani from the BBC was calling
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: on Louis to come out and defend his girlfriend. She said,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: while Louis is a deeply private person, the responsibility falls
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: on him to bring his fans into line. So she
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: urged him to step in and protect Zara from his
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: own fan base. What do you guys think about that?
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Is that Louis' responsibility? I think it's a bit ridiculous
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: that this journalist is coming out and essentially blaming Louis
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: for the behavior of his own fans. I actually think
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: it's a clever PR move not to say anything about
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: this because If he talks on the topic, it's only
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: going to increase the attention on it. I mean, all
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: of the guys from One Direction are in a really
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: difficult position because you don't want to bite the hand
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: that feeds you. You don't want to offend all of
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: your fans and kick off about a girlfriend that you
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: might not be with in the future. But at the
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: same time, I can understand how it would be incredibly
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: hurtful if you.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Were said girlfriend.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: But it's also, if he says one thing about Zara...
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: then it sets the precedence that every other girlfriend, if
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: he has more in the future, he's then got to
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: defend them. Well, it's kind of like when Prince Harry
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: issued a statement defending his wife. And a lot of
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: the people in the UK got their backs up because
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: they're like, hold on, you're ours. Why are you defending
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: this woman that we hate? Like they were shocked that
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Meghan's own husband would be defending her over the UK public.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: I personally think Louis is not saying something because he
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: doesn't want to act bothered by it. Because I think
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: the worst thing you can sometimes do in these situations
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: is to even give a rumor like this oxygen well
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: louis has actually hit out at fans before but he
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: kept the details very vague so in july 2025 he
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: wrote the last few months have made it impossible to
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: be on here that was in reference to x all
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: the conspiracy chats about my relationship my son or even
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: stretching sometimes to opinions on my mom it's just too
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: much and too hurtful for me to see Thank you
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: to everyone who always has my back.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Well, with that context, maybe he should come out and
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: say something if he has spoken about issues like this before.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I've changed my mind.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: But it's crazy how offended some of the 1D fans are.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Like this video popped up of Harry Styles going for
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: a run in Amsterdam and this female fan literally chased
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: after him and was like, Harry, can I please get
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: a photo? And he's still running. He's like, I'm sorry,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: maybe not.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: And kept running.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: And everyone's like, I can't believe he didn't see.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Stop.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: It's like, what about the girl chasing him?
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: If he's going for a run, he clearly doesn't want
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: to be stopped. I saw people saying that this was
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: literally their nightmare to be rejected for.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: A fan photo like this.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I had secondhand embarrassment for her. Like I was like,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: just be happy that you saw him in person.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Don't go and embarrass yourself. And why share the video?
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: But also read the situation.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Like someone is not going to stop to pose for
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: a photo if they're running, particularly because we know Harry
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Styles has been getting into marathon training.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was obviously busy.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Well, there was another TikTok where he actually stopped to
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: sign autographs for fans. And Zoe was also in this
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: photo and everyone's like, oh, she's pretty rude. Like she's
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: got her back to the fans. And someone commented, Well, actually,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: they were lining up to get ice cream and she
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: was just standing in the line. It's funny how they
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: can take these photos so out of context. She probably
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: knows that the fans don't want to see her either.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: They want their individual.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Photo with Harry. Now, in an attempt to put these
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: rumours to bed, Zara attended Louis' recent set, which was
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: at Radio 1's Big Weekend, and she ended up standing
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: stage side. So she could be seen. This was quite
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: a moment. it was a big F you to all
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: of the Louis fans. They would have been spewing seeing
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: her there. I've noticed people have been filming Zoe Kravitz
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: at Harry's concerts and saying, oh, okay, I'm happy. She's
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: been singing every single lyric. It's like this poor woman
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: has to prove herself so much. Oh, they analyze every
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: single moment of them there, don't they? Like from what
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: they're wearing to, as you say, if they know the songs,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: if they're getting into it enough, it's like I saw
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: one comment, oh, just another one of the girls that
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Harry is parading in front of us at his tour.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh my God, get a fucking life.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Justin McKeon is set to front court next week over
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: 100 charges relating to his time as head of finance
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: at Rocket Brands. Charges were first laid against the 38-year-old
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: in March following a 15-month investigation by police. At the
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: same time as the criminal proceedings are going ahead, McKean
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: is also facing bankruptcy after failing to comply with a
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: court order to pay his former employer more.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Than $ 550, 000.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Now, that court order is in relation to the civil
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: case that Justin's former employer took out against him. In March,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Justin was found to have breached his contract and duties
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: and was ordered to pay back the money he allegedly stole,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: plus interest and legal costs. That is yet to happen though,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: and now he is being pursued in the Federal Circuit
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Court for the money. Yeah, and this saga has been
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: going on since October 2024, and it keeps getting messier.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: So it all started when Rocket Brands discovered a number
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: of allegedly unauthorized transactions. So bank and accounting records revealed
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: that between the 24th of June 2024 and And the
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: 7th of October, 2024, Justin allegedly made 114 bank transfers
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: totaling just over $ 480, 000 to his personal bank account. Now,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Justin is yet to enter a plea for the criminal
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: case and will be back in court next Friday while
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: the bankruptcy hearing is scheduled for the following week. Now,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: fairly recently, Justin's ex-girlfriend, Tani Leeson, who is the mother
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: of his child, came out and shed some light on
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: their relationship breakdown. It was quite obvious they weren't together
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: because Justin didn't appear in any of the birth announcement.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: She's made a few comments that she was doing it
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: all on her own, which was in contrast to what
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: actually happened when this news broke because it seemed like
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: she was standing by him. Now, they were actually together
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: when the legal dispute came out and it seemed like
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: she was standing by him. They controversially announced their pregnancy
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: off the back of his legal issues. Now on Mother's
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Day this year, Tani ended up sharing a post that said,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I chose to leave a really awful environment and put
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: myself and my baby first. And honestly, I haven't looked
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: back once. She then went on to say, it's true
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: that it takes a village to raise a child. And
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: while she's parenting solo, she's had amazing support. I really
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: feel for Tani. This is a situation that no new
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: mother would want to be in. I also feel for
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Olivia Rogers too, his ex-wife. She's recently had a baby
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: this month. And it would be difficult to have your
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: ex-partner constantly being brought up in the media with your
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: name associated with him. Yeah. A lot of the headlines
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: are like Olivia Rogers, ex-husband. I understand that that's how
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: people know him. That's why these news articles are being written.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: But at some point, the media need to detach Olivia
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Rogers from this situation.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: They broke up years ago. She's moved on. She's had
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: a baby.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: And I think the timing of This court case was
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: really bad considering, you know, she's only just had the
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: baby and they were melding the story together like a
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: birth announcement plus he's, you know, facing bankruptcy. I don't know.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: I should have thought there's probably going to be pictures
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: and videos that will come out. Molly May has responded
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: to backlash following her outfit choice at her niece Venezuela
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Fury's wedding. The influencer, who is now 38 weeks pregnant,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: was trolled for wearing a black jumpsuit and having visible roots, Kate.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Now, Molly addressed.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: The backlash on her YouTube channel, calling the comments humbling.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: She said she didn't realize wearing black to a wedding
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: was considered unacceptable and said she thought it was okay
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: as long as you didn't wear white. I mean, she
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: was trying to point out that she actually did go
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: to a bit of effort with this outfit because she
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: ended up getting it tailored. And she said, oh, I
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: didn't actually realize that there would be so much attention
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: and focus on what I was wearing.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: She said I was merely acting.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: As Bambi's chaperone that day. And I thought that the
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: focus would be on the couple getting married, not me.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I still don't really understand what was wrong with her
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: outfit at all. I mean, it had beautiful floral detailing.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Like I've seen heaps of people wear black dresses to
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: a wedding. I mean, this snippet of Molly Mae was
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: going viral on TikTok and a lot of people were
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: actually posting the black dresses they had worn to a wedding.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I went to a.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Wedding recently and the theme was black. Like even the
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: men had to wear black shirts as opposed to white shirts.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: It's a very popular wedding trend. I mean, let's also
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: not forget the fact that she was heavily pregnant. It
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: is incredibly hard to dress when you are that pregnant.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's lucky she didn't rock up in trackers.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, I would have been tempted to if I.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Was 38 weeks pregnant.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: But isn't this also such a mum mentality? She said
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: there was no part of me the thought about what
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: I was going to look like.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I was concentrating on my.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Daughter, which I mean, as a mom, you barely get
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: any time to get ready. And I mean, she did
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: admit that she went to the lengths of getting a
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: professional updo, but she ended up taking it out and
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: doing her own slick back. I couldn't believe the commentary
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: around her hair. It's like, she's literally wrangling a toddler. Like,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: of course you're going to want to slick your hair back.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, with minimal help as well. I mean, her,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: her fiance, Tommy Fury was not there. He was at
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: a boxing training camp. Molly also revealed that it was
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: pretty touch and go as to whether they were actually
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: going to attend the wedding because she thought she might
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: have given birth by then. This is, I mean, emphasizing
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: just how pregnant she actually is. Molly May actually celebrated
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: her birthday this week and I couldn't quite wrap my
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: head around it because she's been in the public eye
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: for so long and achieved so much. I'm like, she
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: can't be 27. How is she 10 years younger than me?
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Also the fact that she's pregnant with her second child,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: like It just doesn't make sense to me.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I can't compute it.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: I was actually surprised she was 27 because it seems
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: like she's been early 20s for so long. And 27
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: was my scary age. That's when I was like, oh
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: my God, I'm closer to 30 than I am 20.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I've got to get my life in order.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: What's going on?
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Her 30th is really going to rock me, I think.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: That's only a couple of years away. Well, on that note,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't like talking about big birthdays, Kate.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: But before we go, we have recently dropped a new
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: episode of The Mums Group where we discussed some very
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: outdated opinions from a pediatrician. I mean, I actually still
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: can't believe that these were written in a book in
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: the 80s. This is something that all of our mums
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: would have had to go by. I mean, it is
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: incredibly disturbing, but also you've got to see the humorous side.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, I genuinely would have thought it was satire
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: if I didn't see the physical copy.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Of the book.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, this was a guy who was writing for
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: the Women's Weekly at the time. So It's scary to
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: think about the rhetoric that was so normalized then because
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: it was all about pleasing your husband and feeling sorry
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: for them during the newborn bubble, not focusing on yourself.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: But yes, make sure you do tune into that and
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: make sure you are following The Mums Group on Spotify
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: and also Apple Podcasts because the episode will then drop
• 28:05
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• 28:07
  Speaker 2: and one episode of The Mums Group isn't enough for you,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: we also drop a bonus episode of Outspoken every every
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Thursday for Outspoken Plus subscribers. All the details to sign
• 28:17
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• 28:20
  Speaker 2: on the traditional land of the Kaurna people of the
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Adelaide Plains.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: We pay respect to elders past and present.