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- Shannon: But how many managers have you had if you've spent a bunch of time in jail? Ever had a workday so wild you literally couldn't make it up? Welcome to Cocktails and Corporate Chaos. I'm Shannon. Haidee Griswold: And I'm Heidi, and we're bringing you the messy, hilarious workplace stories that usually require a double margarita to process. Shannon: So pour yourself something strong because the chaos is about to begin. Haidee Griswold: All stories on our podcast are true, but names may be changed or conveniently omitted to protect the innocent, the guilty, and ourselves from corporate HR emails. And in this episode, it is your turn to share your wild story. Shannon: show. Haidee Griswold: But before we get into wild stories, we always have to talk about what are we having for a drink today? Shannon: Well, I am having a good old fashioned beer. It's a pale ale from a local brewery. Haidee Griswold: how original. Shannon: I know, well, it's because it very much reminds me of the day of the story occurring and so I had to take myself back and drink a beer as I thought about the absolute chaos of this single day when I found out about my chaotic story that I will go into shortly. But yes, I'm enjoying a beer because of it. How about you? Haidee Griswold: Ooh, I'm trying to decipher which story you're gonna tell based on that, because we've had so many beers over stories. I think I might know, Shannon: Yeah. Haidee Griswold: but I'm gonna hold but hold my judgment. Well I today am having a spritz, 'cause as you know, I love anything with sparkling in it. give me a good French seventy-five or a spritz any day. But for my episode we did champagne, 'cause it was the first episode. Shannon: Mm mm. Haidee Griswold: And so this one I'm doing the classic Aperol Spritz. Shannon: Ooh, that is your favorite. I am not an Aperol girl. but I do like Campari, which I feel like are in the same family and similar colors, but for whatever reason Aperol is just too much for me. Haidee Griswold: Ooh, there are a few things that are too much for me. I'll just say that. Shannon: Aperol does not fall under that category. Haidee Griswold: Okay, before we get into your chaotic story, I gotta know what is your take on quiet quitting? It's all the rage now. I feel like I'm listening to another podcast about this and now I'm I'm interested in the a new book about it too. But everybody is all in on quiet quitting. How do you do it and what is your take on it? Shannon: Well, first of all, I love the concept of it. If you work for a large corporation. I think if you work for some tiny little guy, like I feel bad about that because you're kind of stealing from them maybe, but I've thought about quiet quitting many times, and I think I could get away Haidee Griswold: Who hasn't? Shannon: with it for a period of time, but my morals just get in the fucking way. And like Haidee Griswold: you're so Canadian. Shannon: I just I'm like, how long could I actually do nothing? And I think okay, so in Quiet Quitting, if you had like a team meeting on your calendar, do you call into that or do you just no show even to those things? Haidee Griswold: for me it's not an all or nothing. So I I have Shannon: Yeah. Haidee Griswold: quiet quit tasks, but I'm not quiet quitting my role or my job. Cause like you, like I love working. It is the thing I do. It is part of my DNA, which makes me a yes, Shannon: You're a weirdo, but continue. Haidee Griswold: a hundred percent strange and weird. It there's something wrong with me. We all know this. Shannon: Yeah. Haidee Griswold: But there are tasks that I don't love doing. Like for me, I have to update this thing every Monday about here's the the status for the week, and I guarantee you no one reads it. But that's something that we've always done, and this is how we've always done it. So we have to do it. I just quiet quit it one day, and no one has said anything for six weeks. Shannon: I think that that actually I love that concept because I have done the same for something where a manager would ask me for it. And I'm like, is anyone else really asking you for this? And I'm a person Haidee Griswold: Yeah. Shannon: who's gonna push back a little bit and ask questions of why I actually have to do something, which has gotten me into some trouble in general, Haidee Griswold: Spicy Shannon: but Haidee Griswold: How dare you question authority? Shannon: more I'm like, is this really important? So then I'm like, fuck it, I'll do it for a little bit. And then I've done that too, where I'm like, You know what? No one has ever replied to this thing, so how about I just stop doing it and see if anybody asks me what happened to it? And same Haidee Griswold: Yeah. Shannon: thing, no one does. Haidee Griswold: Mm-hmm. Funny how that works. Shannon: What's your thoughts on quiet quitting? Haidee Griswold: I mean similar. I individual tasks, I'm all for quiet quitting. Especially something that is a repetitive report out or sending information out that no one's looking at. It just there's no point in doing it. But I've been listening to this other podcast about like quiet quitting in general to your point earlier about quiet quitting your whole job. And that I just I don't think I can do it. I think to your what you said, I I would feel too bad about it. I would feel like I'm taking something away. Like I I'm still getting a salary, so why am I not showing up every day and doing this? But I'm really impressed with the people that are like brazen enough to do this and get away with it. I think that's the shocking part. Shannon: Are they doing it and have another job in the background at another place? Or are they just, you know, living their life and just not working at all but collecting the paycheck? What is it that they're talking about mostly in the podcaster book? Haidee Griswold: It's more the latter of it's around burnout and just the level of I've done this too much. I'm just I'm not getting the things that were promised to me. The goalposts keep moving, so I'm just gonna quietly quit. And then it's what's interesting is this level of confidence that comes out when you quite quit. It's like, you know, fuck it. I don't have to be in this meeting. I'm not gonna show up. And then all of a everyone's like, Heidi's too busy to be in this meeting. She's she's so important. It's so hard to get her. And it's this Shannon: Yeah. Yeah. Haidee Griswold: Kind of funny juxtaposition of when you you step away, all of a sudden people want more of you, instead of the opposite of like, like she's quiet she's given up, like don't engage with her anymore. But today is not about me, listeners. This is about Shannon's story. And I am really intrigued. There's a few stories that she has that are just top notch, and I th I'll be honest, there's one that I really hope she shares this time, but I'm sure we'll share stories throughout the different episodes. But today I'm really hoping it's one of two. Alright, Shannon, tell Shannon: Well, Haidee Griswold: us your chaotic story. Shannon: it's quite possible the story you think it is is the one where a coworker called to talk to me about many different things and then shared with me he was sleeping with another coworker, but no, it's not that one. So Haidee Griswold: that's such a juicy one. We're we're bringing that one back. There's gonna be another episode of this 'cause it is so good. Shannon: Well, Heidi, today's one you were part of, at least some pieces of it. And Haidee Griswold: I'm intrigued. Listeners, you should know, Shannon and I work directly together for how many years? Many years. We'll say many years. And different roles Shannon: Mm many years. Haidee Griswold: and different jobs, many years. Shannon: So when I came back from sabbatical, if you remember, I had taken some time off and then came back and started working for somebody who got hired as I was on leave. Haidee Griswold: I just remember being jealous that you took a sabbatical. That's all I remember from that. Shannon: Yeah, this is fair. hot tip if you get married utilizing that as a honeymoon and taking a bit of a break, people generally buy into. And so, yes. Took eight weeks off, came back, worked for a different person, and this lady asked me what I did before I left, and as I kind of listed off sort of the No. Yeah. Tell me your so I tell her like, they Yeah. Haidee Griswold: I love how your manager doesn't even know. Like would you tell me what you did? What is it you do here? Shannon: Do we still need you or not? and I was like, Yes, Haidee Griswold: And this was before AI. Shannon: true, totally. And she was like, what sort of things were you doing? So I, you know, I'm like, they were kind of lower-level tasks. I think we could hire a lower level person for this. It was great at the time, but like I'm ready for something else, which side note, then Heidi and I started working on a really cool project that included space. Haidee Griswold: that was my favorite. Shannon: But This was when my manager was like, then go hire somebody to do this. And I can still remember coming to you, Heidi, and being like, this is not how this works around here, but I've also never been a manager. You've been a manager. Can you tell me what the fuck is going on here? Haidee Griswold: And I remember thinking, You've hit the goalmine. You're telling your boss, I don't want to do these different small level tasks and they just said, Go hire someone to do that. That is everyone's dream. Shannon: so then I talked to Heidi and a couple other people about this seems absurd that this lady's pushing me to hire somebody because also just hiring one direct report is not necessarily exactly normal at this organization. And so then the week after I wake up to this high-priority email that she had opened up a job wreck for a program manager under me. And I was Mmm Yep. Haidee Griswold: she had head count. She had to get through it. She had to hire quickly. Okay. I get it now. I I I just realized Shannon: And not her hire, I then had to hire. Haidee Griswold: what story this was. please continue. Shannon: So I read this email and then I'm fucking outraged because I don't want to go hire somebody and I don't want to be a manager. Haidee Griswold: You'd rather just do those remedial tasks yourself, said no one ever. You also Shannon: Yeah, I was like, I regret ever having this conversation, but I do the tasks. Haidee Griswold: just got back from sabbatical. To be fair, you're like, I don't want to have to deal with any more work that I have to already. Shannon: Yeah, that was probably the first rage moment ultimately, Haidee Griswold: Ha ha ha. Shannon: of post coming back and being like, what am I doing with my life? And so I Haidee Griswold: I have those thoughts on Monday mornings, pretty much weekly. Shannon: There you go. And so I was like, you know what, fuck it. I'll take this as an opportunity and I'll channel my inner like this is a great thing for me. I'll go practice hiring somebody. Haidee Griswold: Way to manifest in your Gen Z style. Shannon: Yep. And I will just cover the punchline now so Heidi can really get into the story because I think she already knows what it is. But I ended up hiring a felon. Haidee Griswold: listeners, you are gonna love this story. Shannon: So I have this job posting. I have all these different sort of informational s with people, different people that have applied for the job. I Haidee Griswold: And listeners, informationals are when people might be interested in a role. So they would message Shannon and say, Hey, I want this job and they're already in the company. So it makes it a little bit easier for them to get the role. Shannon: Yeah, thank you. And so I have these different informationals. also PS. I don't really know what exactly this person's gonna do because I've not really talked to my manager about it. It's just like I know some shit that I did before I went on leave. I don't exactly know what I'm currently doing or what this person's saying. So like I'm just flying by the seat of my pants and making some shit up. Haidee Griswold: I mean, that's management in a nutshell. There you go. Shannon: And so I find the right candidate, hire them, and this person was a fucking rock star. And so for the listeners, we will call the hire Quinn. And so yeah. Quinn. Haidee Griswold: Quinn. I like that. Mysterious Quinn. Shannon: The first order of business was this international summit that I was like, take this off my plate, you run with it, which had happened in the past, but really the moment of wow, this person's actually fucking great at their job was when I realized I gave them some direction and then Quinn just ran with it and actually gathered the information, met with different stakeholders at the and I was like, wow, I've good job Shannon. I've like hired well. Haidee Griswold: You're like, I'm the best manager there ever was and ever will be because I hired somebody that is good at their job. I mean to Shannon: Shocking, I know, right? Haidee Griswold: be fair, that is somewhat shocking. Shannon: And so then the actual international summit happened, which is basically an internal conference. And I think Heidi you were in the room for this, correct? Haidee Griswold: I was. This is fantastic. Shannon: So I'm sitting beside Quinn, some sessions are going on, everything's running smoothly. I forgot to tell you that two weeks before this summit, I started reporting actually to a different manager that reported to this other lady that I had originally been working for. And yep, Haidee Griswold: Classic reorg. I forgot about this, yes. Shannon: they happen all the time. And I was like, Okay, great. I'm not a manager anymore. I only had to do it for a few months. This is perfect. And Haidee Griswold: You had a great hire, then all of a sudden you don't have to even manage him anymore. Shannon: Yeah, I'm like, you're welcome, new manager. Here's a gift from me. I've just hired a rock star. Haidee Griswold: Yeah. Shannon: So we're sitting in this room. Shannon is now no longer the hiring manager. I'm just helping Quinn a bit. But Quinn's Yeah. Haidee Griswold: But you're on the same team, right? Remind me, you and Quinn, you're on the same team, but you're not quite peers, 'cause he's lower level than you, but you're reporting to the same manager at this point. Shannon: Yeah, and because you and I were working on a space related project that really we couldn't tell anyone about unless they Yeah. Until Haidee Griswold: Which I also loved. That's another podcast episode. Shannon: they basically signed their life away. no one really knew what we were doing. And so I couldn't you know, it was like showing up to a team meeting and they talk about shit and you're like, I have nothing to do with this because we're working on something really cool over here. So just like leave me out of it. Haidee Griswold: It's like those rare special projects that you get put on that you actually enjoy. It's very rare in a career. Shannon: It's happened once, and it was with you. Haidee Griswold: Ha ha Shannon: And so I'm sitting next to Quinn and our manager comes in and takes Quinn aside and brings him outside the room. So I'm sitting there Assume he's asking him a question about what's happening in the room. And then I see HR come in and grab Quinn's backpack and coffee bug. And that's when I was like, fuck, something's gone down. Haidee Griswold: Now, listeners, you need to know there's a packed room at this point. There's like, I don't know, probably a hundred people sitting in this internal conference. And all of a sudden, HR, who every single person knows who HR is in this room, walks in Shannon: Yeah, it's true. Haidee Griswold: and just takes all of the stuff on Quinn's chair. And every I mean there are a couple people noticed and then all of a sudden there's whispering, like, what's happening? What's happening? What is going on? What's happening? And it everybody knew something was going on because when HR comes in, it's a statement. Shannon: Which quite frankly I've worked at that company for many years and can't really think of any other time that this experience happened. So I then get pulled aside with my manager and basically am told something has happened with Quinn, we need you to run the rest of the summit And I was like, okay, I don't actually know anything because Quinn's a rock star and was doing all the shit Haidee Griswold: Well and you were on this other special project with me and we had no shits to care about anything else. Shannon: No, I was too busy understanding space related shit, which I also didn't know anything about. Haidee Griswold: Ha ha ha Shannon: and so then my manager was like, Do you wanna sit down and just go through what the next two days because there were still two more days of this conference Haidee Griswold: Because all internal conferences are like multi-day, hundreds of people, they're ridiculous. Why? Shannon: Also, why? Like, I get you're flying a bunch of people in and it's like I was part of this planning, but also back to back to back things is just so exhausting. Haidee Griswold: gosh, yes. And being on all the time of hey, how's it going? Like I just I can only Shannon: Yeah. Haidee Griswold: do that high pitched version of myself so many times. Shannon: I like that you know that you have a fake version of your voice for when you're, hey, how's it going? Haidee Griswold: hundred percent. Which is why by the end of the week it is gone and that filter is gone. Shannon: Like, that's Heidi's real voice. fuck, let's just hang up. Haidee Griswold: Pure sarcasm now. Shannon: and so I don't know if you remember, but there was a happy hour following the first day, which was at that Haidee Griswold: I remember the happy hour. I remember you showing up to the happy hour. Shannon: I probably look like I saw a ghost because Haidee Griswold: Ha ha ha. Shannon: I had just gotten off the phone with Quinn. I remember texting him and saying, Are you okay? Because at the end of the day, like we're all humans and that's ultimately what matters. And Haidee Griswold: Totally. Shannon: He responded with no, can you call me? Which smart, don't put it in writing. and Haidee Griswold: Ooh, pro tip. Shannon: yeah. I call him, And I say, Is everything okay? And he says, No, I think somebody in the room Googled me, I was like, everybody has a pass, I'm sure it's fine. Haidee Griswold: Classic Shannon, let me console you without knowing any of the details of how horrible of a human you might be. Shannon: Naive Canadian, just no fucking concept of like, what do you mean? And so then, you know, I'm like, I'm sure everything will be fine, blah, blah, blah. And then I'm like, I need to get off this phone call immediately because I need to find out what did Quinn do. And let's just say my Google search then told me that he went to jail for multiple years, in which I then started scrolling, being like, what the fuck? is happening here. Some words I had no idea what they really meant because I'm not really tied Haidee Griswold: Ha. Shannon: into the legal system, which Haidee Griswold: You're like googling words as you're googling him. Shannon: was chaos. I really need to educate myself because turns out I'm on jury duty starting next week and so I should probably help myself out. Haidee Griswold: What timing? You're like, I'm very familiar with felons, don't worry. Shannon: And so then I went into the happy hour, kind of probably ghost like looking and Haidee Griswold: no no no no you're underselling it. She shows up to this happy hour and there's probably a dozen of us already there. I'm sitting there and I look over and I know Shannon really well and she walks in and typically when she walks into a happy hour it's hey I missed you how's it going? And like immediately grabs a drink and she's just part of it. She walks in and she's like cold and clammy and scared. Like it was a very strange version, like a ghost you said was perfect. Of like you had just either seen a train wreck happen or you didn't know what was going on. But it was not the Shannon that I know. Shannon: Both, really. Yeah. And so I went to my manager at the time to be like, I have some information only because Quinn told me what the fuck and he was like, thank God somebody else kind of knows and like obviously he can't discuss anything internally with me that happens behind closed doors, but we could Google things together about Quinn's past. And it was fucking wild. And so that was my summary of like, wow, I've hired a felon. And pr Haidee Griswold: But also, like I have to reiterate on Shannon's behalf, Quinn was amazing at his job. He was so good. He was great to chat with, he was good at at the the different things that he did. Like he was great at the summit, like the different Shannon: The different things. Haidee Griswold: things. I'm like, I can't even remember what his actual job was. I just remember him being like a wonderful person, really funny, and also just like he got shit done. He was good. Shannon: He got a lot of shit done. And like, I don't know if he learned this in jail or he just spent a lot of time, you know, like reminiscing. But the organization skills and attention to detail was not like many people who have not gone to jail. So Haidee Griswold: My gosh, you know, he was a little muscular, not like overly muscular, but like a little bit. And I you know, now thinking back to it, maybe he did like, you know, go out to the yard every day and do his Shannon: Yeah. Haidee Griswold: exercises. And I've often joked that like, hey, I would love for someone to regulate the three meals that I have a day and make sure that I'm exercising appropriately each day. Shannon: That's the reasons that you would like to go to jail? I think yes. Haidee Griswold: I mean, there's no other reasons. I feel like there's a lack of toilet paper, which I'm not okay with, and I'm never gonna use a soap on the rope. Shannon: This is true. and so Quinn ultimately did not show back up to work ever, and many, many conversations happened I was so thankful that I was not part of any of those conversations because I think I would have just quit. Haidee Griswold: So you never saw him again at work, but did you ever contact him again or talk with him again? Shannon: So actually I don't know if I ever told you this. I never contacted him again, but he sent me a text message a few months after he no longer was employed there, thanking me and telling me I was the best manager he ever had. Haidee Griswold: For I mean, how long was this? Like a three week stint of a manager role? You never hired anyone, you never wanted to be a manager and Shannon: Excuse me, no. Okay, maybe let's go with three to four months, not weeks. Haidee Griswold: Okay, there you go. Shannon: I was very flattered. And then of course my brain was like, But how many managers have you had if you've spent a bunch of time in jail? Haidee Griswold: I mean correctional officer you should have texted back and said, When you say manager, do you also mean correctional officer? Shannon: What I really wanted I think I text back and just said thank you and hope your life is well or I don't know, whatever I might have said, but what I really wanted to say, maybe we could get him on the podcast, was I was like, I'll Haidee Griswold: Could you imagine? Shannon: really I would love to know just like what is the real story here? Haidee Griswold: Okay, Shannon. It is time for the last call round now that I've Googled you and know that you're not an ex convict. But I do wanna Shannon: You're welcome. Haidee Griswold: know, what is something that you see as a red flag now that you could spot from a mile away? Shannon: For a coworker or a friend, or in what way? Haidee Griswold: is there a different list? Because that's intriguing. But we'll start with coworker. That's a corporate red flag that you would spot from a mile away now. Shannon: when I'm interviewing somebody and they're so well prepared and they're almost like they have the interview questions and then you ask them something else and they're totally thrown off and they can't think on their feet. Total red flag to me. Haidee Griswold: yeah. Totally, yeah. I worked with someone once who smiled all the time. No matter what you ask them, no matter the environment of a meeting, they just smiled. And to me it was either they're fake Shannon: Like a true, genuine smile. Haidee Griswold: No, I mean I I don't smile as much as they do, so it's hard to I'm the classic woman where people walk by and like, You should smile more. I'm like, fuck you. But but you just Shannon: Yeah. This is my resting bitch face and I will do it always. Haidee Griswold: Totally, yes. But she just constantly smiled and in my mind I'm like, You're just you're not helping Argender at all. Shannon: Mm. Haidee Griswold: to me it equated to she has no idea what's going on. Like when you smile you're like, it's a that kind of fake like I have no idea what's happening in this meeting. But similarly it was just a constant facade of I will smile first and then figure out what to do next. Okay. So what is something a coworker does that instantly kills a like work or office vibe for you? Shannon: Hmm. Haidee Griswold: this makes me feel better. I thought you'd say something that I've done in the past. So the fact that you had to think about it Shannon: No, I feel like it's almost Haidee Griswold: She did not smile immediately, listeners, if that makes you feel better. Shannon: I think it's when somebody says something really fucking awkward that is just that cringy not a specific thing but like the response or trying to fill air with just talking. Haidee Griswold: I'm one of those people, so I love that you said that 'cause I feel like you're secretly trying to talk to me through our podcast. Heard. Hurtful, but heard. Shannon: No, but it's like it's filling that time but then saying really fucking awkward things. you can just tell sometimes when people are just so uncomfortable with the quietness of something and then they're just trying to fill the void. But it's not like, hey, what are you doing this weekend? It's more like, Did you guys see Jerry's mustache? It's really weird. Or I don't know, whatever fucking thing. Haidee Griswold: First of all, I could go on a whole episode long about mustaches and we should sometime in the future. But second of all, my instant response to this was I worked with someone, you remember those cubicle where there were half wall cubicles? And so it wasn't like a f yes, you could Shannon: When they stood over and just popped. Haidee Griswold: stand up and like kind of peer over like the I'm gonna date myself, but like an old show where the person could s stand over the fence. home improvement, if anybody remembers home improvement. Yes. Shannon: I love that show, yep. Haidee Griswold: Yes, same Well I remember I had over the wall from me was a coworker that would clip his fingernails and toenails at work. Shannon: Goo Haidee Griswold: He would literally take a shoe and sock off, put his foot up on the desk and clip his toenails. And this gosh. Shannon: I do not have an experience of this and if I did I would immediately quit and throw up. Haidee Griswold: Well at the time we used to you could hear the like you know the the sound when clippers Crunch down, and then all of Shannon: Ooh Haidee Griswold: a sudden my co-workers and I on our little bay of cubicles would all look at each other like this is disgusting and then just be like please don't let it like fly over and hit us. But also, what kind of home life does he have? He was married, he had kids, like he could have been doing all of this at home. Why he felt like he needed to do it at work. Or outside, yes. well, yes. What Shannon: Or outside or and like go on your lunch break and cut your toenails somewhere else, like at your fucking desk is horrific. I've seen people do this on planes as well and it makes me want to vomit. Haidee Griswold: it's like snakes on a plane, but it's nails on a plane. Shannon: Boom. Haidee Griswold: gosh. Gross. There is n Shannon: Listeners, don't cut your toenails or fingernails in public in general. Haidee Griswold: No, don't do it. It disgusting. Shannon: That's a behind closed doors sort of like no one wants to fucking know. Haidee Griswold: I would rather you masturbate in public than clip your toenails in public. I have a yes. That is th that is honestly either. Shannon: Wow, that's quite the statement. Men or women. Haidee Griswold: You know, I to each their own. Shannon: It's true. Haidee Griswold: okay. So on that note, you walk into the closest bar after work. What drink do you order? Shannon: Well, I either order a glass of red or white wine depending on the season, or if it seems very dive bar Haidee Griswold: Ooh, look at you. You're so classy. Shannon: y, kind of like we went to a concert recently, Heidi and I, and they only for some reason serve barefoot wine, which I was like, I'm not above that, but I'm not paying yeah, I'm not paying seventeen dollars Haidee Griswold: In in the cardboard what was that like plastic cardboard bottle? Shannon: for barefoot wine, so like I'll get a beer. And so if they carry a really low shitty wine that I'm like, this is not the mood I'm in, then I'll go for a beer. Haidee Griswold: Okay, nice. All right, last and final. We have to ask this to everybody. What is a corporate buzzword you wish you could ban for life? Shannon: Take this offline. Haidee Griswold: Bh that's a good one. The baggage just came out when you said that. Shannon: Yes. Like, either let's just talk about it now or be like, hey Shannon, let's talk about this topic later. But the just the words, take it offline, or like you can't get accomplished in this meet like fuck off. Haidee Griswold: And also just yes, fuck off. But then two, why? Like let's duke it out now. If this is a topic we need to fight about, let's do it. Or maybe we don't have to fight about it and let's not talk about it ever again. Shannon: That yes. Haidee Griswold: I love this. Thank you, Shannon, for sharing your story and letting me grill you with our last call around. It was about time that we each have to share some of ours, but trust me, listeners, we have a treasure trove of many more stories that we are willing and eager to share with you. Shannon: and while we're at it, speaking of Googling people, I feel like I should just Google you. I'm Haidee Griswold: I'm way ahead of you. I already Googled you. And you know what's funny and also kind of frustrating? You have that AI overview, which tells me you've got enough going Shannon: Excuse me? Haidee Griswold: on about you that AI thinks it's interesting enough to give a summary of who Shannon is. Shannon: that's incredible and I just googled you, which the first one is a honey fund for you and your husband. Looks Haidee Griswold: What? Shannon: like you guys went to Tanzania for three weeks. Is this accurate? Haidee Griswold: Yeah, for our honeymoon, which was like f what, fifteen years ago. That's crazy. When I Google myself, that's not my first thing. Shannon: That's the first thing I see It looks like you were in a spring two thousand eight conference in Griffiths Leadership Society for Women. my god, you've been a fucking important lady for For years. Haidee Griswold: I love how surprised you sound. You're important. Whereas you're the one with the AI overview and it talks about okay. Shannon: Tell me, what does it say? Haidee Griswold: I love how like it it gives your hockey career as much emphasis as your professional career. Yeah, I'm quite Shannon: I fucking love that actually. Like Haidee Griswold: impressed. It says professional background and talks about your role and company and then recreational activities. Ice hockey skater. I didn't know you played Shannon: love this. Haidee Griswold: for the Kraken League. That is really impressive. How do I not know this about you? Shannon: I mean it sound that sounds cool, but really it's just an adult random league. It's not Haidee Griswold: Okay, don't downplay it. You have a whole bio page on the Kraken Hockey Shannon: Ha ha Haidee Griswold: League. I'm looking at I I'm deep into it now. Shannon: Are there photos? Haidee Griswold: No photos. It has your number, your number eighteen. So everybody cheer her on. Shannon: That's true. You lived in Columbia U Haidee Griswold: yeah, for school. Shannon: what is MO? Miz that's Missouri Wait, that's Missouri's acronym? Haidee Griswold: Missouri? You're so Canadian. Yeah, there's a lot of states. So listeners, you have to know. If you don't already, Shannon's Canadian and we joke all the time because one, she's still way more educated than I am, as someone from the US, which I always find humorous. But yes, Missouri, Minnesota, Mississippi, there's a lot of states, so they have to figure it all out. But MO is Missouri. Shannon: And republic MO you lived in. True? And then you also did a Valentine's Day five K run? Haidee Griswold: I mean probably once. funny story. I did do that run. I did it with a group of friends and then I was just starting to date Aaron, who was my now husband. Like we had started dating in November. This was Valentine's Day, so mid February. And it was one of the first times a group of friends were meeting him. And so we did the five K together with my friends. He was waiting at the finish line. I crossed the finish line and I'm like, Hey everybody, this is Adam, my h you know, my the guy I've been seeing and he turns to me, he's like, Adam, my name is Aaron Like And then he he immediately was like, Are you dating someone else? It's like, I just finished a 5k. I'm not seeing clearly. I need a banana and some water. Shannon: Did you ever date an atom? Haidee Griswold: No, never have I ever dated an Adam. And so it was wild. I don't know, generic white male name, you Shannon: I'm so impressed that he married you. Yeah. Haidee Griswold: know, just input whatever a name. But it was so funny. He does still, to this day, what, 15 years later, brings that up and will not let it die. Shannon: Would sign things as like Love Adam if I were him too. Haidee Griswold: Cheers to surviving another dumpster fire of corporate chaos. Stay bold, stay unfiltered, and Google your coworker before you hire them. 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