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Front Office Unfiltered: Jim Bowden on Alvarado’s PED excuse, LA Catcher debate, O’s melting · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: The Orioles have zero chance of coming back and getting
• 0:03
  Speaker 1: back into this race because they don't have any pitching.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have pitching, you can't win.
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  Speaker 3: Front Office on Filter time with our resident GM, Jim Bowden, JB.
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  Speaker 2: Great to see you.
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  Speaker 3: Let's start with Brandon Hyde fired by the Baltimore Orioles,
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  Speaker 3: something that you told us about several weeks ago, and
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  Speaker 3: that here we are. It happens. But now what for Baltimore? Right,
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  Speaker 3: if you're in that seat, First of all, what are
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  Speaker 3: you doing with this team? And second of all, do
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  Speaker 3: you think that Michaelias is the guy moving forward for
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  Speaker 3: this new ownership group to keep trusting.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I'll give you my opinion here. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to start with this.
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  Speaker 1: I text Michaelias after the news came out about the firing,
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  Speaker 1: and I told them that I know it was a
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  Speaker 1: difficult decision. I said, I think you did what had
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  Speaker 1: to be done. At the same time, I know it's
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  Speaker 1: the worst part of the job of being a GM
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  Speaker 1: or a president is having to fire the manager or
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  Speaker 1: releasing a player. It's the worst part because you're firing
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  Speaker 1: a friend, you're firing a family, and although you think
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  Speaker 1: the relationship can stay the same afterwards because it's a
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  Speaker 1: business decision, it really doesn't, and so the whole process
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  Speaker 1: is terrible. That being said, the important thing that I
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  Speaker 1: text him afterwards was it's not about who you fired,
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  Speaker 1: it's about who you hired or replace him, and the
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  Speaker 1: difference and the impact that next person gives. Now, I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't aware at the time that he was hiring Tony
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  Speaker 1: Mancellini to be the interim manager for the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the year. At the time, I did not think that
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  Speaker 1: was what they were going to do. So let's talk
• 1:42
  Speaker 1: about when you fire a manager in season. What has
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  Speaker 1: to happen one of two things. Either one, you better
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  Speaker 1: win more games with the next manager than you did
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  Speaker 1: with the one you have, or number two, you're making
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  Speaker 1: the change because in order to win next year, you've
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  Speaker 1: got to make the change now to prepare for it,
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  Speaker 1: because the approach or the process or the plan or
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  Speaker 1: the strategy that is implemented now isn't working and you
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  Speaker 1: don't think is going to work.
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  Speaker 2: So in this.
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  Speaker 1: Particular case, the Orioles have zero chance of coming back
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  Speaker 1: and getting back into this race because they don't have
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  Speaker 1: any pitching. You don't have pitching, you can't win. I
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  Speaker 1: don't care what your lineup looks like, it's not gonna happen.
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  Speaker 1: And with the Orioles, you know you're looking at Corbyn
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  Speaker 1: Burns is sitting in Arizona. Grayson Rodriguez is on the
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  Speaker 1: injured list. Of your two best starters, Charlie Morton's OH
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  Speaker 1: and seven with a seven six ERA, Kyle Gibson just
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  Speaker 1: got designated for assignment with a sixteen ERA, and Dean
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  Speaker 1: Kramer and kde Povich's eras a north of five, and
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  Speaker 1: they're not gon Villa turned around with what they have.
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  Speaker 1: They're just not. So the key is is the new
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  Speaker 1: manager going to come in and make a difference.
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  Speaker 4: Now?
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  Speaker 1: When we heard Manzolini's comments after the game, and by
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  Speaker 1: the way, he didn't talk to the media before the game,
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  Speaker 1: only after the game, which made no sense. I was
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  Speaker 1: shocked with the media said what was your message to
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  Speaker 1: the team, and his response was I didn't have a message,
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  Speaker 1: but I'll have one in the next couple of days.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure, Well, what are you talking about. You don't
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  Speaker 1: have a message. You've been there the whole time. You
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  Speaker 1: don't have a message of telling the players that you
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  Speaker 1: got the manager fired. You're not hitting, you're not pitching,
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  Speaker 1: you're not catching the ball, or you don't have a
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  Speaker 1: message to say, hey, we're gonna change things and this
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  Speaker 1: is what we're gonna do. That's concerning to me. Now
• 3:23
  Speaker 1: you asked me what I would do, all right. Number one,
• 3:26
  Speaker 1: they don't have players in the right position, right, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Gunna Henderson should be at third, Jackson Holiday should be
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  Speaker 1: at short, Westbrook should be at second. They should give
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  Speaker 1: Mayo first base and curse that left field and let
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  Speaker 1: them play every day so in November we.
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  Speaker 2: Know if they can play or not, if they're gonna
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  Speaker 2: hit or not.
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  Speaker 1: It's okay to not platoon at every single position and
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  Speaker 1: have all this quote unquote positional flexibility. So I think
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  Speaker 1: they need a different approach here. Now, if I were
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  Speaker 1: the GM, I would be hiring outside the organization to
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  Speaker 1: bring in a different voice, a different approach, a non
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  Speaker 1: b opinion. And whether that's a proven guy like Skip
• 4:02
  Speaker 1: Schumacher who won Manager of the Year with the Marlins,
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  Speaker 1: or whether it's Aj Prazitski who brings that edge that
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  Speaker 1: that clubhouse could use. To me, you had to bring
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  Speaker 1: in somebody outside Scott And that's kind of how I
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  Speaker 1: view the Orioles.
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  Speaker 4: Can a manager who's forty two years old, never been
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  Speaker 4: a manager that's now the interim manager for the entire
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  Speaker 4: year make those decisions? Would you allow that as a
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  Speaker 4: GM to be like, oh, well, what do you think
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  Speaker 4: should be the changes? Because Michael Lias isn't going to
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  Speaker 4: make those changes that you were talking about Gunner Henderson,
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  Speaker 4: the third Jackson Holliday, But a guy like Manzo who's
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  Speaker 4: been there should see that if he's going to take
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  Speaker 4: the organization in a different direction. But could he make
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  Speaker 4: those decisions or is he like, Wow, I'm so glad
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  Speaker 4: I got this job. I'm a puppet.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know what the case is and we're
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  Speaker 2: going to find out.
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  Speaker 1: But what I don't understand is if you're hiring him,
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  Speaker 1: then I'm assuming you're hiring him to do things differently.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Brandon Hyde did win games, one hundred games,
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  Speaker 1: he didn't get the playoffs the last two years. He
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  Speaker 1: did win Manager of the Year, Right, So this team
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  Speaker 1: isn't winning, not only because of their pitching, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: talk about the core players that aren't performing, right, Gunnar
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  Speaker 1: Henderson sitting in two fifty eight ally Rutchman two nine,
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  Speaker 1: Westburg two seventeen, Kowser one twenty five before he got hurt. Like,
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  Speaker 1: your core guys aren't performing, that's the problem, because you
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  Speaker 1: need the core guys to hit, so in the offseason
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  Speaker 1: you're just fixing the pitching, Like you need this lineup,
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  Speaker 1: these young players to play every day and to perform.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know what Tony's bringing to the table now,
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  Speaker 1: I just from my experience, you know, I would rather
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  Speaker 1: hire a veteran manager that's proven he can win, to
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  Speaker 1: go in there and stabilize the situation, but come with
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  Speaker 1: a different approach.
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  Speaker 2: I want him to tell me what the plan is.
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  Speaker 1: I want someone to be looking at this team and
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  Speaker 1: telling me, hey, look, I don't this team's using too
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  Speaker 1: much analytics, this team is too focused on what the
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  Speaker 1: front office sending down to do, or these positions, these
• 6:03
  Speaker 1: players are out of position, or this is how I
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  Speaker 1: would handle a bullpen differently, Like, I want the plan.
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  Speaker 2: I want to know what you're going to do and why.
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  Speaker 1: Because if I make a change, you don't make a
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  Speaker 1: change just to make a change. You make a change
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  Speaker 1: to get better, to improve either today or tomorrow. And
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: in this case, the change has to be made for
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  Speaker 1: tomorrow because this team doesn't have the pitching to win.
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  Speaker 5: But didn't we know this was coming, Jim. When they
• 7:27
  Speaker 5: fire Freddy Gonzalez, they fire some of the coaches, they
• 7:30
  Speaker 5: bring in new coaches, they bring in all these new people.
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  Speaker 5: And yes, you can say what you want about Manselino
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  Speaker 5: and him not knowing what he's doing, but he's just
• 7:38
  Speaker 5: happy to be a big league manager. He's like, oh wow,
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  Speaker 5: I'm a big league manager. I wasn't prepared for this,
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  Speaker 5: So I get all this stuff you're saying, but this
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  Speaker 5: is just kind of par for the course. It seems
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  Speaker 5: like with the Orioles. How does Michael liias turn this around?
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  Speaker 5: Because we've talked about it on here numerous times. Is
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  Speaker 5: he a closer? Is he a finisher?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he got you lots of prospects, but he's scared
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  Speaker 5: it to trade these prospects. He's scared to make the move.
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  Speaker 5: In every move he made this offseason backfire right from
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  Speaker 5: Tyler O'Neil, who's always been hurt. He's hurt again this year.
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  Speaker 5: Right the pitchers he brought in at the end of
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  Speaker 5: their at the end of their kind of career instead
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  Speaker 5: of making the bold move. Yes, he did it for
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  Speaker 5: Burns last year, but I thought they should have done
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  Speaker 5: anything they could to make him stay in Baltimore. I
• 8:20
  Speaker 5: want to stay in Baltimore. They didn't do that. So
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  Speaker 5: how long of a leash now does michaelas have Because Rubinstein,
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  Speaker 5: you know, say what you want, but at some point
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  Speaker 5: he's going to get tired of this and say, man,
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  Speaker 5: I'm pouring money into a losing product. So now is
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  Speaker 5: it all on Michaelias?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's all on Michaelias, and it's not a big leash.
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  Speaker 1: He's got to do it right here, right now. When
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  Speaker 1: you make a manager of change like this, when you
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  Speaker 1: don't have a good enough team to turn around, now
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  Speaker 1: it's on you. So make sure the manager you're hiring
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  Speaker 1: is the right hire that's going to make an impact.
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  Speaker 1: Make sure when you get to the trade deadline. Look,
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  Speaker 1: this is a trade market. That is, it doesn't have
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of sellers that have a lot of assets
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  Speaker 1: to trade. The Orioles will have a lot of assets
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  Speaker 1: to trade, whether that's Ryan Mountcastle or Ryan O'Hearn or
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: Cedric Mullins or Philip's Bautista or Canoe Zach Efflin. They're
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: gonna have pieces the contending teams are going to want,
• 9:15
  Speaker 1: you know, michae Elias.
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  Speaker 2: If this team doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: Turn around and win, which, as I've said, my opinion
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  Speaker 1: is it can't because the pitching. Okay, you've got to
• 9:23
  Speaker 1: take these five or six assets that you have. You
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: need to turn him into twelve prospects. And you need
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  Speaker 1: the new administration, the new field staff to come out
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  Speaker 1: and get Gunner and Rutchman back to what they are,
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  Speaker 1: which are all star caliber players. You need Holiday, which
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  Speaker 1: they've done a good job with him.
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  Speaker 2: Without a doubt.
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  Speaker 1: The mechanics are much better getting rid of the big
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  Speaker 1: leg cake and going to the toe tap.
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  Speaker 2: That's been huge.
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  Speaker 1: But look, you got to get Mayo and Kerstat delivering
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  Speaker 1: you Those are two of your best prospects. Michael Lias
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  Speaker 1: has to have them deliver. He has to stop platooning.
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  Speaker 1: And when he makes a mistake like O'Neil and Sanchez,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 2: What, fix it, move it go.
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  Speaker 1: If somebody wants O'Neil to trade that line by like
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: he is on the clock, and if he's just going
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  Speaker 1: to bring in Mansoline and then not make trades and
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  Speaker 1: think this is going to turn around.
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  Speaker 2: But guess what, Michael las will have a different job
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  Speaker 2: with a different organization come Christmas.
• 10:16
  Speaker 4: Well, one of the things he can do with the
• 10:17
  Speaker 4: trade deadline trading Bautista up to the Phillies because clearly
• 10:21
  Speaker 4: Mike and He's got a he's got a express line
• 10:24
  Speaker 4: directly to Dave Dombrowski's phone, and Dave Dombrowski is definitely
• 10:30
  Speaker 4: looking for some pieces. With Alvarado getting his eighty game
• 10:34
  Speaker 4: suspension for trying to lose some weight.
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a good match, without a doubt. Now,
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: I think obviously it encouraged and encourage any thing with
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: the Phillies. How good Jordan Romano has been, right, hasn't
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: given it up a run his last eight appearances. We
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: know Matt Strom is an all star here, Orion Kirkery
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: has potential. We got to I don't know where the
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: walks are coming from and why he doesn't pitch ahead
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: a little bit more. I like Banks, He's done a
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: decent job, but there's not enough depth there. And so yeah,
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: I you know, look, I had Dave Debraski on my
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  Speaker 1: radio show a week ago Sunday. He said, look, my
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: biggest need is a right handed reliever, and so look,
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  Speaker 1: I know Dave, well, he'll go get that piece. I
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  Speaker 1: think they were kind of eyeing Ryan Helsy, but now
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  Speaker 1: that the Cardinals are in it, that probably won't be
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: an option. But besides your Oriels, there'll be a Kyle
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  Speaker 1: finnagain of Washington available. There's always going to be relievers available.
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  Speaker 1: Dave will get the depth there. But this Jose Alvarado test,
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  Speaker 1: and I want to get you guys need to help
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  Speaker 1: me kind of understand this because it's really annoying, I
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  Speaker 1: think from a front office perspective when players never take
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: responsibility and we sit there and we make excuses like
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: we're taking a weight loss medicine, like anyone that's in
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: the world right now is either taking ozembic or way GOVI.
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: They're certainly not taking some pills. And by the way,
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: both of those those are available in the Dominican, Republican
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: and Latin America drug stores. Like I'm not under standing
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: why we keep making excuses like you know, he cheated,
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: he used the ped and I just it just drives
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  Speaker 1: me nuts. And this is huge for the Phillies. What
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: was he seven for seven in conversions? I mean he
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: throws one hundred. When he's throwing strikes, he's deadly, and
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  Speaker 1: now you won't have him for the postseason.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know.
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: It just drives me crazy, and I don't know why
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: players if you make a mistake, can't go to the
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: podium and just own up to it.
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  Speaker 2: Drives me absolutely nuts.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but now you have a nine million dollar option
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  Speaker 4: on this picture as a GM. You let him go?
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah bye, Yeah, I'll replace him. I'll spend the money elsewhere.
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: I'll spend six million more and get a better closer.
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: There's gonna be ten closers on this free agent market.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, I have an article going up tomorrow on
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: the Athletic ranking the top seventy free agents in this
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  Speaker 1: year's class.
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  Speaker 2: There's ten closers out.
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  Speaker 1: There that are going to be out there, and I'll
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  Speaker 1: upgrade over Alvarado.
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  Speaker 2: But I that's positive, by go do it somewhere else.
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  Speaker 2: I had no interest.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you, Jim, Thank you for saying what you just said,
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  Speaker 5: because I said the same thing, like what weight loss?
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  Speaker 5: Are you kidding me? Like that's where ringworm? With tatis?
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  Speaker 5: Or I have ringworm? Like are we kidding?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 5: Who are we kidding?
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: Here?
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  Speaker 5: And then and then we get people that say, oh, well,
• 13:17
  Speaker 5: you know the Phillies guy said that he wasn't this guy.
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  Speaker 5: Guess what you're this guy? You cheat it, You're a cheater.
• 13:22
  Speaker 5: I said when I was in Texas in twenty thirteen.
• 13:24
  Speaker 5: I love Nelson Cruz as a guy, but guess what
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  Speaker 5: he got popped. Guess what he is. He's a freaking cheater.
• 13:29
  Speaker 5: And he said it was for a parasite in his
• 13:31
  Speaker 5: stomach or you know what. There's a million guys, please,
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  Speaker 5: And I just said this. It comes in English, it
• 13:37
  Speaker 5: comes in Spanish, it comes in Japanese. They will tell
• 13:39
  Speaker 5: you over and over in spring training and throughout the year.
• 13:42
  Speaker 5: Don't take anything, guys that we don't approve, that doesn't
• 13:45
  Speaker 5: have NSF on the bottle. Make sure you only take
• 13:48
  Speaker 5: certain things. We'll give you.
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  Speaker 2: Teams.
• 13:50
  Speaker 5: You know this, Big League teams will give you whatever
• 13:52
  Speaker 5: supplements you want. You want a weight loss drug. I
• 13:54
  Speaker 5: guarantee you. He could have gone to a doctor in
• 13:57
  Speaker 5: the Phillies somewhere and they would have said, hey, we'll
• 13:59
  Speaker 5: help you with this, whether it's nutrition, whether it's whatever
• 14:01
  Speaker 5: it needs to be. But don't give me like, oh
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  Speaker 5: I didn't know what I was taking, and oh I
• 14:05
  Speaker 5: was trying to lose weight, because that doesn't fly because
• 14:08
  Speaker 5: there's too many resources out there.
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, verbally reposts everything you just said. I'm with you,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't I don't tolerate it. You know, I
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: don't want that in my clubhouse.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: I don't care how good you're all get somebody else.
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  Speaker 1: Culture matters to me. Integrity matters to me, so I
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: don't have to look at and watch it. I'm really disappointed.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry for the Phillies, but no, I wouldn't pick
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: up the option.
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  Speaker 2: Goodbye. Thanks.
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: All right, let's go across the cross the country to
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: the Dodgers. We had a kind of heated debate about
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: the Dodgers bringing up their prospect Dalton Rushing and getting
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: rid of Austin Barnes, saying, well, Dalton Rushing was doing this, this,
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: and this and triple A. He's been kind of squashed
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: behind there. Now we're going to bring him up to
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: be our backup catcher. To Will Smith, to me, they
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: made the wrong move. To me, they should have kept
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: Austin Barnes because if they need depth now, Dalton Rushing
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: has not been playing as a GM. Do you see
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: it differently.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I probably do in this particular case.
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: You know, I kind of feel like, you know, you
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: have to stay young in this game, and I kind
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: of felt like the Dodgers held on to Chris Taylor
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: too long as an example, and I kind of feel
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: like with Dalton Rushing, it's unfair to or twenty four
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: year old kid that can hit at his level and
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: is decent behind the plate. It's unfair to continue to
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: have him blocked by a player that's not as good
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: as he is at this point. And I know how
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: important Barnes has been, and I know how you know,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: great makeup pitchers love to throw to him. He was
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: Kershaw's personal cat. I get all that, but the truth
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: is it's not fair to Rushing. And if you know, what,
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: are you gonna keep him down at Early's thirty. I mean,
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: you know, at some point at twenty four years old,
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: when you've been there, there's no point in having in
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: that league. So either trade one of your catchers or
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: you got to make room. And they made the decision. Look,
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: this is something that a lot of teams are doing
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: right now. And I think what Andrew Friedman did was
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: look at his really good friend who used to work
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: for him in Atlanta Alexanthopolis, and he's watching how well
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: this Drake Baldwin, Sean Murphy. It's not they don't call
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: it a platoon, but you know, shared catching spot is
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: and I think the Dodgers have looked at this saying
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: that you know, sharing, you know, the catcher spot with
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: these two guys can work and will work, and it's
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: time to go there. And Rushing gives them a better
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: chance to win at this point in his career.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: I think Barnes is thirty five.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Having the twenty four year old and getting younger gives
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: them a better shot to win.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: And that's why they made it. It's just like Andy.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Poterass I thought last year, you know, they should have
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: moved on from Taylor and given it to Pahass. Then
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: they waited, and that's okay, But at some point guys
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: like Paus and Rushing need their pathway, need the runway,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: and the front office has to open up the room.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: So to me, to move Taylor and Barnes for Rushing
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: and Pahas, your team got better.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: And you're doing the right thing for your prospects as well.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: But do you call a prospect up that's not going Never?
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: Never has Rushing not gotten at bats? And to me,
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: you could put a lot of really good players into
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: non starting roles and they've become below average players. Isn't
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: there a fear of that, especially with the numbers that
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: Rushing was putting up playing every single day in the
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: minor leagues, now playing every other day.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: No, I get that, and I think it's there.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: But I think you got to ask yourself, what is
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Barnes giving you coming off the bench in the games
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: that he catches, and how do you think that's going
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: to compare it to rushing. Yeah, it's going to be adjustment.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: It won't be easy. And you know, look rookies that
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: have you know, the runways, and we look at Aaron
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Judge who struck out fifty percent of the time his
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: rookie year, playing every day. Mike tried it. Under two
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: hundred is first call up playing every day. So it's
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: really it's really hard for rookie anyway, as you guys know,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: I mean you guys are big leaguers. I mean, you
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: know how tough it is. You never see this kind
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: of pitching for nine innings every day until you get
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: to the big leagues. See only time you ever get
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: to see pitching of this level, and it's not easy.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's going to be a challenge for Rushing.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: But I think at the end of the day, again,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: you have to look at the age, what he's done
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: in the farm system. He's not going to beat at
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Will Smith and you're not going to make him the
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: everyday first Basement or DH. So the only pathway is
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: to back up Will Smith and play part time. So
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: you know, is it time to give him that opportunity?
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: And the answer is yeah, it is. So you know,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: I agree with that decision.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: I'm with you.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: I was going against these guys, but I'm with you.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: We'll let the debate ray John here. And I did
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: do a little extra homework over the weekend from some
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: people that are around the Dodgers every day, and they said,
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: don't sleep on the fact that Will Smith will sit
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: more than many other catchers will, and they would like
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: to see that going forward to to see if they
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: can optimize him being at his best towards the end
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: of the season. Not everyone's built like these two houses.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: J Krattz. Some of these catchers are fading late in seasons,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: becoming a trend, and then you're seeing really down performances
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: from them in the postseason. So hey, not saying if
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: it's gonna work or not, but just throwing that out there.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: That's what I heard from some people around the team JB.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Awesome stuff. Great to have you on. Appreciate it.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: As always, we'll catch you soon. Thanks guys, appreciate it.