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The Kenny Report | 17 March · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to another week here on the Kenny Report, and
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  Speaker 2: happy Saint Patrick's day. But I'm afraid there's nothing very
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  Speaker 2: lucky about what's going on around this country today. As
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  Speaker 2: if power price hikes aren't bad enough, spiraling grocery prices
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  Speaker 2: are hitting hard. We'll check in with the Salvos Union.
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  Speaker 2: Thuggaree is highlighted again as Labor fails to deal with
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  Speaker 2: its CFMEU mates.
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  Speaker 3: The Parliament sits next week to bring in the legislation
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  Speaker 3: to immediately de register the CFMU. They have now shown
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  Speaker 3: they are not fit to be a union and represent
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  Speaker 3: people in this country.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'll have more from Michaulia Cash later. Also bad news
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  Speaker 2: for the Greens in the polls.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, there you go.
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  Speaker 2: There's some lucky Saint Pat's Saint Pat's news. I'll have
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  Speaker 2: some more on that with John Black. I'll also cross
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  Speaker 2: the Sophie Els within London and we'll have Gematine UNI
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  Speaker 2: and carry Aline Drusso to talk a range of issues
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  Speaker 2: including university demands for welcomes to country.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get cracking tonight.
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  Speaker 2: There's plenty of news and major issues to discuss, but
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  Speaker 2: once more the all too common link between them. The
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  Speaker 2: way to pick our way through these issues, the way
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  Speaker 2: to separate the serious people from the virtue signalers, is
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  Speaker 2: simply to point out the blatant hypocrisy, double standards and
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  Speaker 2: hipocrisy are all around us when it comes to the
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  Speaker 2: big issues in this country, and especially how the political
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  Speaker 2: left deals with.
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  Speaker 1: Them on international affairs.
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  Speaker 2: I was astounded to see one particular comment from our
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  Speaker 2: Prime minister yesterday after being involved in a phone hookup
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  Speaker 2: with European leaders. Anthony Albanezi doubled down on his hair
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  Speaker 2: brained idea to send Australian soldiers as peacekeepers to Ukraine
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  Speaker 2: if a ceasefire, of course can be struck with Russia. First,
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  Speaker 2: our diggers to keep the peace in Europe, as if we.
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  Speaker 1: Don't have enough challenges in our own neighborhood. And what
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  Speaker 1: was the.
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  Speaker 2: Most astounding for me was the hutzpa that was shown
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  Speaker 2: in this comment.
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  Speaker 4: Russia Vladimir Putin's are bullying. You know what a strange
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  Speaker 4: do they stand up to bullie?
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  Speaker 1: Really? Albo is all about standing up to bullies. Let's
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  Speaker 1: test that.
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  Speaker 2: Because I'm old enough to remember just three weeks ago
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  Speaker 2: when China did bully us. China conducted live firing exercises
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  Speaker 2: in the Tasman Sea, interrupting our commercial aviation, and it
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  Speaker 2: did so without forewarning US. It did this to intimidate Australia.
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  Speaker 2: And what did Albanezi do then when we were bullied, Well.
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  Speaker 1: He said this.
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  Speaker 4: Well, China issued, in accordance with practice, an alert that
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  Speaker 4: it would be conducting these activities, including the potential use
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  Speaker 4: of live fire. It's outside of Australia's Exclusive economic zone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Albo says, Ossie's stand up to bullies. But three
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  Speaker 1: weeks ago.
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  Speaker 2: Albo didn't stand up to a bully. He made excuses
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  Speaker 2: for the bully. He said what they wanted him to say,
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  Speaker 2: and he was wrong anyway, because we were not warned.
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  Speaker 1: So now the Prime Minister is trying to muscle up.
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  Speaker 2: He's trying to make up for that weakness by promising
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  Speaker 2: he'll send our troops to Ukraine. This is a terrible
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  Speaker 2: misjudgment of our strategic priorities. And you can tell just
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  Speaker 2: how bad the idea is by looking at who else
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  Speaker 2: supported it.
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  Speaker 5: Just this morning our government has said yes in principle,
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  Speaker 5: have a look at it. I think that's the responsible
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  Speaker 5: way to do it. I think the alternative is, you know,
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  Speaker 5: you look like you're lining up with others. So I
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  Speaker 5: think we're better off being on the side of the
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  Speaker 5: people that are defending freedom in Ukraine.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that's former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, of course, all
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  Speaker 2: gung ho now about sending Ossie peacekeepers to Ukraine.
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  Speaker 1: Now, in case you're thinking he.
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  Speaker 2: Might say anything to try to undercut Peter Dutton, who
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  Speaker 2: of course opposes such a deployment, well we can, of
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  Speaker 2: course look at what Turnbull has said in the past.
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  Speaker 2: Back in twenty fourteen, when MH seventeen was shot down
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  Speaker 2: over Ukraine, killing two hundred and ninety eight people, twenty
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  Speaker 2: seven of them from Australia, then Prime Minister Tony Abbott
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  Speaker 2: wanted to help out with the recovery and investigation and
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  Speaker 2: he asked our Defense Force to consider whether we could
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  Speaker 2: send soldiers. Abbot didn't send any, of course, and you'll
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  Speaker 2: see why because thanks to an ABC documentary we can
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  Speaker 2: hear both how the commander of our Defense Forces describes
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  Speaker 2: the CITA vision and what Malcolm Turbull made of it
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  Speaker 2: back then.
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  Speaker 1: And at the end of it all he said, okay, Angus,
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  Speaker 1: I accept your advice. It'll be a police option.
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  Speaker 5: Well he was talked out of it by our military leadership.
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  Speaker 5: You know, basically, this was a thought bubble that was
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  Speaker 5: quickly punctured. But it showed, if you like, the elements
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  Speaker 5: of Tony that started to make me feel that we
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  Speaker 5: had a very dangerous prime minister.
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  Speaker 1: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: There was sensible consideration given to an army plan. The
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  Speaker 2: right decision was made, but Turnbull used it to undermine
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  Speaker 2: Abbot sending troops to Ukraine then for a specific purpose
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  Speaker 2: before the Russian invasion. That was dangerous, said Turnbull. But
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  Speaker 2: now now he backs troops for Ukraine. Why surely not
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  Speaker 2: the opposition surely not the position, the opposite position being
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  Speaker 2: put now because he wants to undermine another liberal leader.
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  Speaker 1: I reckon.
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  Speaker 2: We can all see what motivates Malcolm Turnbul when he
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  Speaker 2: gets up in the morning, and.
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  Speaker 1: It's not sweetness and light.
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  Speaker 2: Now to climate change hypocrisy and Mike cannon Brooks. He's
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  Speaker 2: Sydney's homegrown tech billionaire and climate crusader. Cannon Brooks likes
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  Speaker 2: to lecture everyone on carbon emissions, even though he owns
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  Speaker 2: multiple expansive properties, including some of the most expensive real
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  Speaker 2: estate in the country.
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  Speaker 1: I guess he puts his money where his mouth.
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  Speaker 2: Is with major renewable energy investments and buying into agl
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  Speaker 2: and trying to turn it green.
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  Speaker 1: And he's tipped in.
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  Speaker 2: More than a million dollars to Climate two hundred, the
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  Speaker 2: political outfit behind the till MPs, like cannon Brook's own
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  Speaker 2: local MP, Allegra Spender herself a multi millionaire, of course,
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  Speaker 2: but it was revealed late last week that for all
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  Speaker 2: the climate virtue signaling this bloke does with I suppose
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  Speaker 2: amounts of money that, to be Frank is more like
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  Speaker 2: small change to him, canon Brooks has tipped much larger
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  Speaker 2: amounts into wait for it, his own personal jet YEP.
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  Speaker 2: The climate crusader now has his own Utah registered Bombarder
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  Speaker 2: seven five hundred.
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  Speaker 1: This business jet costs about seventy.
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  Speaker 2: Five million dollars and it will set you back another
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  Speaker 2: two or three million dollars a year in running costs.
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  Speaker 2: It burns about two thousand liters of jet fuel per hour,
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  Speaker 2: producing about two tons of carbon dioxide.
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  Speaker 1: Every hour it's flying.
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  Speaker 2: This is about as environmentally sustainable as an oil spill.
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  Speaker 2: But have a listen to how Canon Brooks tries to
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  Speaker 2: kid himself and us about his hypocrisy.
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  Speaker 1: How he tries to explain it away.
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  Speaker 2: He's posted on social media that there's a couple of
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  Speaker 2: reasons I've purchased a plane. Personal security the primary reason,
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  Speaker 2: but also so I can run a global business from
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  Speaker 2: Australia and still be a constantly present dad. So this
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  Speaker 2: is a hard continual trade off. I've decided to make
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  Speaker 2: personal security first class international travelers.
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  Speaker 1: Too risky for this.
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  Speaker 2: Bloke, Give me a break, and he plays the dad
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  Speaker 2: card too.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Under his own loopy climate crusading logic, Canon Brooks is
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  Speaker 2: killing the planet. But at least he's killing it so
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  Speaker 2: he can spend more time with his kids these people.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, where was Canon Brooks on the weekend?
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  Speaker 2: He was in Melbourne for the Formula one Grand Prix,
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  Speaker 2: of course, another car, an intensive event known for its indulgence,
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  Speaker 2: decadence and consumption with an area thought for environmental activism.
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  Speaker 2: The Grand Prix is to climate action what wood chipping
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  Speaker 2: is to habitat preservation. Canon Brooks's, a Lassian company, is
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  Speaker 2: now the major sponsor of the Williams racing team Saving
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  Speaker 2: the Planet One minute private jet the next, renewable energy
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  Speaker 2: one minute, supercharged Formula one racing the next. You'd need
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  Speaker 2: the reflexes the reflexes of a Grand Prix driver to
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  Speaker 2: keep up with the contradictions and double standards of this
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  Speaker 2: particular climate crusader. Now, as I mentioned there in passing
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  Speaker 2: the till, member for Wentworth a Legraspender is a multi millionaire.
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  Speaker 2: Good on her Her mother established the famous Carla Zampatti
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  Speaker 2: Brown brand, and Spender has worked in that company and
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  Speaker 2: elsewhere in business over the years and as accumulated quite
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  Speaker 2: a fortune. Spender has been focused on tax reform in
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  Speaker 2: Parliament of late, her latest push suggesting the indexation of
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  Speaker 2: tax rates to get rid of bracket creep.
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  Speaker 6: When your pay goes up about the same rate as inflation,
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  Speaker 6: you might think you know you're holding steady, but actually
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  Speaker 6: because more of your income is tax at a higher
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  Speaker 6: marginal rate, you go backwards because of bracket creep.
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  Speaker 2: Again, fair enough for worthwhile reform if a major party
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  Speaker 2: a government might do it one day. But the role
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  Speaker 2: of a teal is pretty easy, isn't it. Never responsible
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  Speaker 2: for spending money or for raising money, never responsible for
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  Speaker 2: delivering policies, just chipping away from the sidelines for easy votes,
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  Speaker 2: and while Spender says she wants to help taxpayers get by,
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  Speaker 2: her policy choices, of course on climate action and renewable
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  Speaker 2: energy have only ended up demanding more government spending, so
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  Speaker 2: keeping taxes up and higher electricity prices putting more cost
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  Speaker 2: of living pressure on people. Spender and the Tills also
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  Speaker 2: talk a lot about integrity in politics. They say that's
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  Speaker 2: another one of their top priorities. So it was really
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  Speaker 2: embarrassing for Spender when The Daily Telegraph revealed that she
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  Speaker 2: had established seven new corporate entities last year and failed
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  Speaker 2: to declare them in the Parliamentary Register of Members' Interests.
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  Speaker 2: Five of the entities were formed last April and two
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  Speaker 2: more were added in November, and none were made public
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  Speaker 2: through the Parliamentary Register, where her many other family companies
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  Speaker 2: and trusts are listed. Spender says she has now advised
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  Speaker 2: Parliament after The Daily Telegraph contacted her We are Spender
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  Speaker 2: for an interview on her tax reform proposals tonight, and
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  Speaker 2: she declined. We then asked her whether these new corporate
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  Speaker 2: entities involved her and her family that she'd failed to declare.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we were.
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  Speaker 2: Wondering if they were designed to minimize the taxes payable,
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  Speaker 2: and she has not answered that query. That's what you're
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  Speaker 2: going to laugh about the tills. They love to talk
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  Speaker 2: about transparency and taxation, just other people's transparency and taxation.
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  Speaker 2: We need to keep the focus on anti Semitism, criminal behavior,
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  Speaker 2: police investigation, and the politics around it. I think we've
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  Speaker 2: got every right to be curious about the messaging we've
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  Speaker 2: heard from labor politicians in New South Wales and Canberra
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  Speaker 2: and the anti semitism investigations. When they called a major
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  Speaker 2: media conference on the Caravan of Explosives investigation, they seem
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  Speaker 2: to be very keen to downplay the anti Semitic elements
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  Speaker 2: of the terror hoax.
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  Speaker 7: It is apparent that the incidents being investigated by both
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  Speaker 7: Pearl and Kissinger were orchestrated by an organized crime element
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  Speaker 7: and conducted to further their own causes. This was alluded
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  Speaker 7: to as a possible motive early on in the investigation,
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  Speaker 7: but has also alluded to investigations need to be conducted
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  Speaker 7: at their highest before they are diminished. None of the
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  Speaker 7: individuals we have arrested during peerl have displayed any form
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  Speaker 7: of antisemitic ideology.
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  Speaker 2: Now that was a big call, especially given the horribly
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  Speaker 2: anti Semitic slogans painted on vehicles and buildings during the.
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  Speaker 1: Attacks, the fact that targets were clearly.
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  Speaker 2: Jewish organizations and areas, and the Caravan Terra hoax also.
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  Speaker 1: Listed Jewish targets.
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  Speaker 2: One of the most prominent people arrested was former Nomad's
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  Speaker 2: Biki gang president Sayed Mohammad Musawi, and police have now
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  Speaker 2: identified former Sydney fugitive say it irhan Aka, last seen
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  Speaker 2: in Turkey, as the mastermind of these attacks and has
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  Speaker 2: a long history of posting hateful anti Semitic messages. As
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  Speaker 2: reported in The Australian, he once posted that Hitler was
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  Speaker 2: only washing earth, they made him out to be evil,
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  Speaker 2: and in twenty eighteen he went with some Holocaust denial
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  Speaker 2: saying how did six million die when there are only
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  Speaker 2: three point two million registered Jews in Europe at the time,
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  Speaker 2: And when there was a report about swastikas being painted
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  Speaker 2: on cars in a Jewish community, he responded with zig
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  Speaker 2: hai sickening stuff. Yet, despite all this, the police have
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  Speaker 2: been trying to assure people that these attacks and plots
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  Speaker 2: were more about criminal activities and criminal motivations than the
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  Speaker 2: ideological hatred of anti Semitism. Excuse me for wondering what
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  Speaker 2: on earth they're trying to tell us anti Semitic attacks
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  Speaker 2: are criminal. Clearly these cases can involve both anti semitism
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  Speaker 2: and criminality. Here is Alex Rivchen from the Executive Council
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  Speaker 2: of Australian Jury with Denika and James last night.
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  Speaker 8: It was premature and reckless and irresponsible to rule that antisemitism,
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  Speaker 8: and I think that that's diverted the conversation from what's
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  Speaker 8: happening in our country, which is a price of antisemitism,
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  Speaker 8: which begs solutions, and it's allowed people to pursue their
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  Speaker 8: own agenda to score points against their political foes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we need to be very wary of anyone seeking
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  Speaker 2: to talk down this threat or reclassify it. When a
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  Speaker 2: hatred is so evil and so common in some parts
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  Speaker 2: of the community, it's hardly surprising that it should overlap
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  Speaker 2: into criminal cohorts and that should be cause for more
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  Speaker 2: concern rather than less.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go to Liberal.
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  Speaker 2: Senator for New South Wales Dave Sharma, who joins us
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  Speaker 2: from the Sydney CBD.
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  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, Dave. First up, just your
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  Speaker 1: thoughts on this.
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  Speaker 2: Surely the idea that we've got criminal elements and bikey
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  Speaker 2: elements overlapping with anti semitism should cause us more alarm
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  Speaker 2: rather than less.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I found this line of reasoning being offered up
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  Speaker 9: by some perplexing like the two things have to be
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  Speaker 9: mutually exclusive either or an underworld criminal figure or you're antisemitic,
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  Speaker 9: but you can't be both at once. Well, of course
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  Speaker 9: she can be. And I think you know, if we've
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  Speaker 9: got organized crime behind some of the worst antisemitic attacks
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  Speaker 9: we've seen, then that should be a cause for greater concern,
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  Speaker 9: not less concern.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Indeed.
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  Speaker 2: Now I just want to go to overseas issues and Ukraine.
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  Speaker 1: Are you surprised that.
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albinize and he is doubling down on his support
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  Speaker 2: for Australian peacekeepers in Ukraine, and that Malcolm Turnbull's now
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  Speaker 2: supporting him.
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  Speaker 9: Well, I think it's very premature, Chris would be what
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  Speaker 9: I say. I mean, look, we have a number of
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  Speaker 9: requests outstanding from Ukraine that they've actually asked us to
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  Speaker 9: do M one A one Abrams tanks. We promised them
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  Speaker 9: last year. We haven't said a single one yet. We
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  Speaker 9: took two and a half years longer to open our
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  Speaker 9: embassy than nearly any other country that's now been done. Thankfully,
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  Speaker 9: We've still got a request from Ukraine for a shipment
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  Speaker 9: of coal that we haven't given them an answer to.
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  Speaker 9: So I would say, let's focus on what's in front
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  Speaker 9: of us, what Ukraine has asked us to provide, and
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  Speaker 9: all these other issues. I mean, there's no peace agreement
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  Speaker 9: between Ukraine and Russia yet there may not be one.
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  Speaker 9: This idea of a peacekeeping force is very early in
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  Speaker 9: the peace at this stage, and rightly it should be
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  Speaker 9: European nations backed by the US, which would be the
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  Speaker 9: primary contributors to any such a mission. So I think
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  Speaker 9: for us to be speculating, or Anthony, I've been easy
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  Speaker 9: to be out there speculating and chest something about it
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  Speaker 9: just isn't the right way to approach this issue.
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  Speaker 2: What about your old mate, Malcolm Chambull. We're back in
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  Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, the very consideration of Australian soldiers going to
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  Speaker 2: Ukraine to help in the investigation and recovery of seventeen
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  Speaker 2: before the Russian invasion. He said that was evidence of
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  Speaker 2: a dangerous Prime minister.
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  Speaker 1: But now he's all gung ho on.
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  Speaker 9: It how the times have changed. I Chris, look, I
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  Speaker 9: think he obviously gets media attention whenever he supports a
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  Speaker 9: Labor position contradicts a Liberal position. That's the game he's
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  Speaker 9: in these days, it seems to me. But I don't
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  Speaker 9: think the Liberal Party caucus is taking much notice.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's worse than that.
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  Speaker 2: He's running a position now that is against both the
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  Speaker 2: Coalition and the Labor Party. It's against the consensus in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: It's more supportive perhaps of French foreign policy. He's opposed
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  Speaker 2: to UCUS.
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  Speaker 5: Have a look, Aucas is a terrible deal. It is
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  Speaker 5: so unfair to Australia. We have no guarantee that we
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  Speaker 5: will ever get any submarines.
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  Speaker 2: This foke wants to go back the French diesel powered submarines.
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  Speaker 2: The French who have been so great in the Pacific,
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  Speaker 2: they tested their nuclear bombs here.
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  Speaker 9: Well, I think, look, you know, I think any Australian
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  Speaker 9: Prime minister, if they had been able to secure a
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  Speaker 9: deal or negotiate a deal for nuclear powered submarines, which
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  Speaker 9: is a vastly different capability than anything we can get
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  Speaker 9: that's conventional, would have jumped at it. And it happened
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  Speaker 9: to be Scott Morrison, who was the Prime Minister at
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  Speaker 9: the time. He negotiated this. He saw the opening, he
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  Speaker 9: pursued it, and he deserves immense credit for that. I mean,
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  Speaker 9: this will be a game changing technology. You know, we
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  Speaker 9: have as much assurance we're buying a foreign piece of equipment,
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  Speaker 9: just as if we bought the French submarines, just as
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  Speaker 9: if we'd bought Japanese submarines. So of course there's contractual risk,
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  Speaker 9: there's technology risk, there's all these elements to it. But
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  Speaker 9: you know the idea that we would never buy a
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  Speaker 9: piece of capability from offshore because we can't be sure
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  Speaker 9: the other country will honor the commercial arrangement, well, you
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  Speaker 9: know we wouldn't be able to run our defense forces
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  Speaker 9: in that fashion.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed, Dave Sharma, thanks so much for joining us. Dave Sharma,
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  Speaker 2: the Liberal Senator for New South Wales, want to go
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  Speaker 2: to the cost to living now and as we mentioned
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  Speaker 2: last week, of course, power bills are going up again,
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  Speaker 2: rising by up to nine percent from July, and new
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  Speaker 2: figures out today show grocery bills have surged thirty percent
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: under Labour's term in government, leaving families three thousand dollars
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: a year worse off. So I wanted to check in
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: with the Salvos and we're catching up with Major Brendan
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: nots ll from the Salvation Army joining us from Melbourne.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Brendan.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: You want to stay well clear of the politics, but
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: I want to get a sense from you on whether
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: we're seeing any leveling off in the cost of living
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: crisis or whether, in particular these ongoing grocery and electricity
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: price increases increasing the squeeze on people who are doing
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: it tough.
• 20:44
  Speaker 10: There's no leveling off, Chris at all. So what we're
• 20:47
  Speaker 10: seeing is an increase in numbers presenting to our centers
• 20:51
  Speaker 10: all around the country. But the really concerning thing for us, Chris,
• 20:55
  Speaker 10: is it's not just people presenting with concerns around cost
• 20:59
  Speaker 10: of living pressures. They're not just coming in for food,
• 21:01
  Speaker 10: they're not just coming in for assistance with energy bills.
• 21:04
  Speaker 10: But it's now starting to impact on other parts of
• 21:06
  Speaker 10: their life. So it's starting to impact their mental health,
• 21:09
  Speaker 10: it's starting to impact their health, it's starting to impact
• 21:12
  Speaker 10: the quality of family life, and we're seeing an increase
• 21:15
  Speaker 10: in violence in some families because of the stress that
• 21:18
  Speaker 10: they're now carrying. So this is deeply concerning for us,
• 21:21
  Speaker 10: and we don't see an into it.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: I think when it comes to electricity prices and people
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: not using electricity because of the costs, winter is the problem, right.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Everyone loves air conditioning in summer, but if you want
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: to save power, you can sit on the veranda and
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: soak up an evening breeze.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: But you must be really worried about.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Especially elderly people, dealing with heating through the winter.
• 21:47
  Speaker 10: Well it's the elderly people, Chris, and it's those that
• 21:49
  Speaker 10: are health compromised that are impacted by not being able
• 21:52
  Speaker 10: to switch on their air conditioning in summer during those
• 21:54
  Speaker 10: really hot days. This is potentially a matter of life
• 21:57
  Speaker 10: and death for those people. And the same applies when
• 22:00
  Speaker 10: it comes to heating during winter because people need to
• 22:03
  Speaker 10: stay warm, and we're actually having people say to us
• 22:06
  Speaker 10: we've made a conscious decision to switch off for power.
• 22:09
  Speaker 10: So not only are they not having heating during winter
• 22:12
  Speaker 10: or air conditioning during some of the actually not having
• 22:15
  Speaker 10: lighting at any time of the year. So this is
• 22:17
  Speaker 10: a deeply concerning matter for us because Australians should not
• 22:20
  Speaker 10: have to live like this.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Look, I think these energy rebates of the government put in.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I think they're politically suspect, I think they're economically unwise.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I think what they need to do is get power
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: prices down for everyone. But I would suggest in the
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: current situation, with this budget coming up next week, you're
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: going to want labor to continue these energy rebates. Otherwise
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: it's the poorest people in our community who are really
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: going to be hurt the most.
• 22:47
  Speaker 10: One of the really challenging things for US CRUISE is
• 22:49
  Speaker 10: that we did a social justice stock take just recently
• 22:52
  Speaker 10: and interviewed sixteen thousand Australians, just ordinary Australians from a
• 22:56
  Speaker 10: variety of walks of life, and what they indicated to
• 22:59
  Speaker 10: us was that financial hardship is a very significant issue.
• 23:02
  Speaker 10: Fifty seven percent of people interviewed identified that as a
• 23:06
  Speaker 10: key issue, and so their issues financial hardship, their issues
• 23:10
  Speaker 10: such as housing that should be lifted above politics.
• 23:13
  Speaker 11: And that was one of the comments from many of
• 23:15
  Speaker 11: the people that we interviewed.
• 23:16
  Speaker 10: They said, we don't want any more politics.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: We're actually sick of it.
• 23:19
  Speaker 11: What we want is action, and what we want is
• 23:22
  Speaker 11: a multi discipline and multipartisan approach to these really significant
• 23:26
  Speaker 11: issues that are affecting so many Australians right across the nation.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Brendan, thanks for joining us. That's major, Brendan. Not all
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: with the Salvation of Salvation Army. If you want to
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: help out the Salves and the fantastic work they do,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: you can go and donate at Salvation Army dot org
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: dot AU.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Got to get to a break.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: On the other side, we're going to check you in
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: on Union thugery has been highlighted again, Labor failing to
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: deal with their CFMU mates.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Michaulia Cash up.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Next now the Construction Union the CFMEMEU is back in
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: the spotlight after another sixty minute story exposing violence against women,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: including a disturbing video of a health and safety representative
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: assaulting a woman while on his lunch break and a
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: warning this is pretty confronting and distressing stuff. Yeah, shocking
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: stuff and there's plenty more on the alleged extortion and roughts.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: The Coalition has called on Labor to de register the union.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Shadow Attorney General michaelia Cash summarize the concerns.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Well, there's no two ways about it.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Chris Organized Crime in Australia now basically had infiltrated the
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: CFMU they run building sites across Australia and ultimately, do
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: you know who pays the price? That would be mum
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: and Dad Australia. For infrastructure projects, Australians are paying up
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: to thirty percent more because the CFMU has been infiltrated
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: by organized crime. So your hospitals, your roads, your schools
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: and even flying onto your houses, Australians are paying a
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: premium for them because of the actions of the criminal
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: elements of the CFMU. And what do we say, Chris,
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: enough is enough. We have got to clean up this
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: industry once and for all, unlike our weak and insipid
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Prime minister who is beholden to them.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Well, this is the extraordinary thing because we've seen this
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: happen before. We've seen the Coalition cleaner that before, because
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: you've had the Australian Building and Construction Commission. But Labour's
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: gotten rid of that. So they've obviously decided that this
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: was a clean industry. You don't need this oversight, obviously
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: we do.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, what a complete joke. Mister Albansi has been and
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: continues to be beholden to the CFMU. As you know,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: since mister Alberansi became the opposition leader of the Australian
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Labor Party. They have received the Australian Labor Party under
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: him eleven point five million dollars, whether in donations directly
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: from the CFMU or intellectual assistance. So mister Albanesi, there
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: is a reason he has taken weak action against them,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: because he is beholden to them, I mean, Chris. One
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: of the first actions of the Albanesi government was to
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: abolish the tough cop on the beat, the Australian Building
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: and Construction Commission. They had been successful in holding the
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: CFMU to account and in fact, in relation to the courts,
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: they had succeeded in over ninety percent of the prosecutions
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: they brought against the CFMU. They're able to achieve penalties
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: against the CFMU of in excess of seventeen million dollars.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: What does mister Albanesi do. He pays his paymasters, He
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: gets rid of the building Regulator. But at the expense
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: to Mum and Dad Australia, as I said, who are
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: paying because of the week leadership of Anthony Albernezi thirty
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: percent more for their federally funded infrastructure, schools, hospitals, roads.
• 27:13
  Speaker 12: What a choke.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's one aspect of a one very important
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: aspect of it. This increases the cost of all construction
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: in the country. But there's also allegations of drug running
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: and organized crime and assaults of people and abuse of people.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: It's terrible stuff. But the thing is here that the Labor.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Party, we know they have the CFMU on their national executive.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: They're directly linked to it through ex donations and the like. Yes,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: but they say that they're taking action. Here's the Victorian
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Premier to Alan. Let's say look at what she had
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: to say today.
• 27:47
  Speaker 13: We moved quickly last year with a zero tolerance approach
• 27:52
  Speaker 13: to this bullying, intimidatory and allegations of illegal behavior.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: It is why, it is.
• 27:59
  Speaker 13: Why, amongst a range of actions, we referred these allegations
• 28:03
  Speaker 13: to IBACK, to Victoria Police.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they say they refer it on but you
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: will de register the un the coalition if you come back,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: you bring back the Building and Construction Commission rest mission.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: What else is required right now?
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: What should Anthony Albnezi and just said to Alan do
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: right now?
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: So we have made it clear Peter Dutton, James Patterson
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: and I that we will work with the government. The
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Parliament sits next week to bring in the legislation to
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: immediately de register the CFMIU. They have now shown they
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: are not fit to be a union and represent people
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: in this country. But also this has got to be
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: comprehensive legislation so that any member of the CFMIU that
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: has been involved in law breaking can never hold office
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: in a registered organization again and can never ever go
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: and exercise any powers on a work site. They need
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: to be finished off once and for all. They also
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: need to immediately restore the tough cop on the beat,
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: the building Industry Regulator.
• 29:08
  Speaker 12: But on top of that, we.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Have said you need to smash the business model of
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: organized crime, and Peter Dutton has said he will work
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: with Anthony Alberanezi to actually put through the Parliament next
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: week the tough reco style laws that are used in
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: the United States that have been successful over many decades
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: now in taking down the mafia. Enough is enough. We
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: have to stand up to organize crime in this country.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Peter Dutton will do it. We need to smash their
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: business model and actually hold the kingpins and the bosses
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: in these organized crime organizations to account.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Michaelia Cash.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us.
• 29:53
  Speaker 11: Great to be with you.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: I think we're going to hear more about this Union
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: story now. The election not far off of co US.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: The opinion polls are coming thick and fast. The latest
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: come from the Financial Review the Freshwater Pole. It shows
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: a slight dip for the Coalition. Here's how Sky News
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: reported the figures this morning.
• 30:10
  Speaker 14: The Australian Financial Review Freshwater Strategy poll shows the Coalition's
• 30:15
  Speaker 14: primary vote has dropped by two percent to thirty nine percent.
• 30:19
  Speaker 14: Those votes appear to be going towards the Greens and
• 30:22
  Speaker 14: other members of the cross Bench, as support for Labor
• 30:25
  Speaker 14: is steady at thirty one percent. Backing for the Coalition
• 30:29
  Speaker 14: has dropped slightly by one percent on a two party
• 30:33
  Speaker 14: preferred basis, it is still ahead of Labour fifty one
• 30:36
  Speaker 14: to forty nine.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Let's go to our polling export expert. Former Labour senator
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: John Black joins usrom Queensland. Good to talk to you again, John,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I got to get your thoughts, so this would be
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: worried for worry for the coalition. The trend is your friend,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: and they'd be sort of trending upwards if this one
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: is correct. But I worry about some of where we
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: get the polls from the fresh water to do this
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: pole for the AFI, they also do the polling for
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: the Liberal Party. Wouldn't they have a vested interest in
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: keeping a little expectations.
• 31:08
  Speaker 15: Well, I guess they do, but I don't think that
• 31:11
  Speaker 15: that's the reason why the polls are turning the way.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: That they are right now.
• 31:15
  Speaker 15: What we've seen, Chris over the last four weeks or
• 31:18
  Speaker 15: so is some good news on the economic front, with
• 31:22
  Speaker 15: interest rates and GDP figures not taking per capital terms
• 31:27
  Speaker 15: as they have been for quite some time, and the
• 31:29
  Speaker 15: government spraying money around like a fire hose. So I
• 31:33
  Speaker 15: would have expected to see this sort of adjustment if you.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, let me jump in there, because there was
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: no uplift for Laby. You've still got Labor on thirty
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: one percent. That's a dire primary vote for them. What
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: you saw was a couple of points come off Peter Dutton.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Is it more to do with their attacks on Peter Dutton.
• 31:51
  Speaker 15: I think he's he's lost a bit of skin in
• 31:53
  Speaker 15: the last three or four weeks. I mean, negative campaigns
• 31:56
  Speaker 15: are pursued by political parties because they tend to work,
• 32:00
  Speaker 15: at least in the short term, and I think they
• 32:02
  Speaker 15: have work to take a bit of the gloss of him.
• 32:05
  Speaker 15: It would be a mistake for him to respond in kind.
• 32:08
  Speaker 15: I think he's better off to put out some policies
• 32:11
  Speaker 15: in terms of trying to win over those people who
• 32:14
  Speaker 15: are voting against labor but not necessarily switching their preference
• 32:18
  Speaker 15: votes to the coalition. That's the challenge for him. He's
• 32:22
  Speaker 15: clearly holding off announcing any policies because he's afraid they're going.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: To get copied.
• 32:26
  Speaker 15: But there's going to come a time when he has
• 32:28
  Speaker 15: to do it, and I think that time's fast approaching.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: I think that time will be about Thursday next week.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: The budget. Didn't reply straight after the budget. Now we
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: look at a lot of poles.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Are the one I played most attention to his news poll,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: but you're going to look at all of them together.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: And the one thing that constant across all the polls
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: is that the major party votes are remaining low, historically low.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: You've still got a lot of support for the minor parties.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Yet there is a poll around today and we talk
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: about where the sourcing, But again this one's from Advance,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: the group right wing advocate group Advance and it's showing
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: trouble for the Greens candidates in the Greens members actually, sorry,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: the people holding those Green seats in Brisbane, the seats
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: of Brisbane, Ryan and Griffith. Now you've pointed to these before,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: John that you think there is a chance for the
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: coalition to win these back. This polling is suggesting two
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: of them could go back to the Liberal fold.
• 33:28
  Speaker 15: Look, yes it is. The Greens won these three seats
• 33:31
  Speaker 15: at the last election following some somewhat intemperate comments about
• 33:37
  Speaker 15: global warming from some leading National Party figures. Ten percent
• 33:41
  Speaker 15: came off the LNP primary vote and went straight across
• 33:45
  Speaker 15: to the Greens. So that's what put them over the
• 33:48
  Speaker 15: top then, So those seats have always been at risk
• 33:51
  Speaker 15: ever since. However, when you actually had a look at
• 33:54
  Speaker 15: what's going on in Queensland since the LNP won state government,
• 33:58
  Speaker 15: a little bit of the era has gone out of
• 33:59
  Speaker 15: the for the Labor Party vote and the minor parties
• 34:04
  Speaker 15: have also picked up a little bit. So the Greens
• 34:07
  Speaker 15: are looking a little bit better because of that. I
• 34:09
  Speaker 15: went back through all of the MRP polls for both
• 34:13
  Speaker 15: you gov and for red Bridge over the last few months.
• 34:15
  Speaker 15: For these three seats.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: You gov has.
• 34:18
  Speaker 15: I think they've got the ALP winning all three of them,
• 34:22
  Speaker 15: red Bridge has the Greens winning all three of them,
• 34:24
  Speaker 15: and Insightfully has the the LNP winning two out of
• 34:29
  Speaker 15: the three. Look you know, I think it's on for
• 34:32
  Speaker 15: young and old. You have to be cautious about these poles, Chris,
• 34:36
  Speaker 15: because the Insightfully poll mentioned a couple of independents that
• 34:40
  Speaker 15: I've never heard of and aren't listed. So if you've
• 34:44
  Speaker 15: got an independent polling, about nine percent of those preferences count.
• 34:48
  Speaker 15: I think the red Bridge accent is right. I think
• 34:52
  Speaker 15: at the moment the Greens are very narrowly in front
• 34:55
  Speaker 15: in all three seats, but anything could happen.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Fascinating stuff. Thanks for joining us, John John Black. There
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: in Queensland. Some seats up for grabs there from the
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Greens perhaps as.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: The campaign gets underway. We're going to take a break now.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: On the other side, I'll catch up with Gematine Uni
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: and Caroline Russo we'll talk about mcquarie University.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Can you believe this?
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: You fail a subject if you don't perform an acknowledgment
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: of country to their requirements. Let's cross straight to London
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: and catch up with Sophie Ellsworth, a News Corp Europe correspondence.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: She joins us from outside one of the most famous
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: doors in the world, Sophia, early morning there. I'm wonder
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: whether you're getting a waft of bacon and eggs coming
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: out of Number ten Downing Streets.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: But I've got to get your thoughts on the way, Kirs.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Starva, the UKPM has been leading this push to try
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: and get some coalition of the willing around Ukraine if
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: a ceasefire can be broken. Is there much surprise in
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Europe that Australia would be putting its hand.
• 35:58
  Speaker 16: Up to help out with this, Well, I don't think
• 36:01
  Speaker 16: there's surprised Chris. I think any support from any countries
• 36:05
  Speaker 16: around the world is welcome. But Sir Kia has certainly
• 36:08
  Speaker 16: led the way on this and this has really given
• 36:11
  Speaker 16: him a boost with public support here in the UK,
• 36:14
  Speaker 16: because as we know Chris, he had a very rocky
• 36:17
  Speaker 16: start when he took over office in July last year.
• 36:21
  Speaker 16: But just on top of Downing Street you can't quite
• 36:23
  Speaker 16: see in the picture here, but there's a Ukrainian flag
• 36:26
  Speaker 16: on top of Downing Street with the British flag. The
• 36:28
  Speaker 16: support here is stronger than ever and they are hoping
• 36:31
  Speaker 16: to get a resolution on Thursday when the military chiefs
• 36:35
  Speaker 16: meet here in London and they will be discussing actual
• 36:39
  Speaker 16: peacekeeping moves and hopefully Chris will know more detail of
• 36:42
  Speaker 16: what will happen in that move to hopefully come to
• 36:45
  Speaker 16: a ceasefire agreement.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: I think the great benefit from Donald Trump's unorthodox approach,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: if you could put it that way, so far, has
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: been the way the Europeans have stepped up, have stepped
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: up and as you say, Keir Starmus led that tell
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: us about in the British political system. Is he being
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: supported by the Conservatives? Is he have pretty much bipartisan
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: support for this leadership is showing.
• 37:12
  Speaker 12: Well.
• 37:12
  Speaker 16: The Conservatives obviously criticizing on most points, but they have
• 37:16
  Speaker 16: been supportive on this and we haven't heard a lot
• 37:20
  Speaker 16: of disagreement in regard to the move to try and
• 37:23
  Speaker 16: get Britain and other European countries behind each other to
• 37:27
  Speaker 16: help support Ukraine. So it's been very welcome and it
• 37:30
  Speaker 16: has been something that they have.
• 37:32
  Speaker 12: Joined together in Chris.
• 37:33
  Speaker 16: So this doesn't happen a lot in politics, as you know,
• 37:36
  Speaker 16: but many people around the world, many countries around the world,
• 37:40
  Speaker 16: no matter what political side.
• 37:41
  Speaker 12: Want to see an end to this war in Ukraine.
• 37:44
  Speaker 16: So they are joining together hoping they will meet that
• 37:47
  Speaker 16: resolution and come to a result.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good for Ukraine, good for Europe, but obviously
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: also good for Kyostama's political standing at the moment. I
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: want to bring you to something perhaps less important for
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: the future of the universe, and that is the former
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Prince Harry all this controversy about whether he should have
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: really been allowed into the US given his self confessed
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: drug past.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: What's happening on that.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: We're to want to get some more information into the public, arenocent.
• 38:15
  Speaker 16: Well, Tomorrow Tuesday, we are going to see redacted information
• 38:20
  Speaker 16: released from his application when he made that visa application
• 38:24
  Speaker 16: in the US.
• 38:25
  Speaker 12: Now, initially this was not going to be made.
• 38:27
  Speaker 16: Public, but a conservative think tank in the US is
• 38:30
  Speaker 16: really pushed for this because in Spare, the book that
• 38:33
  Speaker 16: he wrote a couple of years ago, he said he
• 38:35
  Speaker 16: dabbled in many types of drugs, including cocaine and marijuana. Now,
• 38:40
  Speaker 16: this would have very likely impacted his ability to obtain
• 38:44
  Speaker 16: a visa to get into America.
• 38:47
  Speaker 12: Trump did come out.
• 38:48
  Speaker 16: President Trump did come out in February and basically said,
• 38:51
  Speaker 16: if there is something on there that Harry didn't disclose. Basically,
• 38:55
  Speaker 16: he's not going to take action. He's got enough problems
• 38:59
  Speaker 16: with his wife. But he has said previously that he
• 39:03
  Speaker 16: has to be treated the same as everyone else. So
• 39:06
  Speaker 16: it'll be interesting, Chris, because it's going to be a
• 39:08
  Speaker 16: redacted document that will be released. But I think Prince
• 39:12
  Speaker 16: Harry might be a little bit nervous with what this
• 39:14
  Speaker 16: will show because it may show that he was not
• 39:17
  Speaker 16: honest on that application form.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet he'll be a bit nervous. I wonder
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: what he consumes to help Carmi's nerves. We'll wait with
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: baited breath.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Just briefly.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Of course, you've been keeping tabs on the health of
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: the Pope. You've been to the Vatican to report on that,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: and the first pictures of the pontiff overnight.
• 39:37
  Speaker 16: That's right, Chris, So the first picture of the Pontiff
• 39:41
  Speaker 16: was released. He's been since he's been admitted to Rome's
• 39:44
  Speaker 16: Jamelle Hospital on February fourteenth. He's now been in hospital
• 39:48
  Speaker 16: thirty one days now. He can see on screen there
• 39:51
  Speaker 16: that he's sitting there celebrating mass inside the room set
• 39:55
  Speaker 16: up opposite his facility at Jamelle Hospital.
• 39:59
  Speaker 12: But we can't see his face. It doesn't look like
• 40:01
  Speaker 12: he's got.
• 40:01
  Speaker 16: Any assisted breathing apparatus on him. He is wheelchair bound.
• 40:06
  Speaker 16: He's complex. His situation remains complex.
• 40:10
  Speaker 12: Chris. He has certainly a long way to go.
• 40:13
  Speaker 16: He has not left that hospital for coming into the
• 40:15
  Speaker 16: fifth week at the end of this week, so there's
• 40:18
  Speaker 16: a lot of nervous people around what the future holds
• 40:20
  Speaker 16: for him. But that will probably give the church and
• 40:24
  Speaker 16: give his worshipers and supporters some hope that he is
• 40:27
  Speaker 16: going okay.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Thanks Sophie, appreciate it.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: All over as usual, Sophie Elsworth, the reporting for US
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Alive from London. Let's bring in the panel now. Gematon
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Uni from GT Communications is on.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: The desk with me.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Has ever always a good way to start the week,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: and Caroline Derusso joins us from Perth.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: I've got to get thoughts from both of you. First
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: up on Malcolm Termal' let's start with you.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: He's back in and now he reckons orcus as the
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: shambles and he's on board with Albo sending peacekeepers to Ukraine.
• 40:55
  Speaker 17: Why are we.
• 40:55
  Speaker 18: Even like, why do we care? He's had his go
• 40:58
  Speaker 18: stuffed it said he wouldn't be a miserable ghost. Can't
• 41:01
  Speaker 18: seem to get rid of him. Why do we care,
• 41:03
  Speaker 18: like genuinely, why do we care what he thinks?
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Well, he gets a lot of attention, especially from the
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: leftist media. He seeks a lot of attention.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: I just remind here's what he said about AUCUST.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: We showed this earlier.
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: Aucus is a terrible deal. It is so unfair to Australia.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: We have no guarantee that we'll ever get any submarines.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: You know, he speaks with the authority of a former
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister Caro and that this is the issue where
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: we can all see that he's just doing whatever he
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: can to undercut particularly those in the Liberal Party who
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: have followed him and Peter Dutton in particular. It's incredibly damaging,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: not just for the political debate, but I would have
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: thought for the national debate generally for the good of
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: the country.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Suan.
• 41:48
  Speaker 19: When he talks about, you know, a good deal for Australia.
• 41:51
  Speaker 19: You know, he had his comments last week about tariffs
• 41:54
  Speaker 19: and now he's waiting in about UCUS, it actually doesn't
• 41:58
  Speaker 19: help the problem. The problem here with the former Prime
• 42:00
  Speaker 19: minister is everything that he did was amazing and everything
• 42:04
  Speaker 19: everyone else does is rubbish. And Peter Dutton could cure
• 42:07
  Speaker 19: cancer and it still wouldn't be good enough for Malcolm. So,
• 42:10
  Speaker 19: you know, I'm with Jemma here. I'm not really sure
• 42:13
  Speaker 19: why we care, you know, and there's not a lot
• 42:16
  Speaker 19: I like about Julia Gillard. But Malcolm should take a
• 42:19
  Speaker 19: leave out of her book and retire gracefully.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: I think, well that is the you know, I think
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: the bright the bright side of all this at the
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: moment is that the more ridiculously is, the less people
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: will listen to him potentially.
• 42:31
  Speaker 18: But I should also say, respectfully to colleagues in the media,
• 42:34
  Speaker 18: stop platforming someone who's no longer relevant. He's unable to
• 42:38
  Speaker 18: make decisions. He's not in the tent either ours or theirs.
• 42:41
  Speaker 18: Stop giving a voice to someone who doesn't deserve one.
• 42:45
  Speaker 18: At this time, he had his chance, he promised he
• 42:47
  Speaker 18: wouldn't hang around, and yet we cannot seem to get
• 42:49
  Speaker 18: rid of him.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: I think your message needs to go directly to the
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: a VC. I think that's where it's morning. Yeah, now
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: let's go to this.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: I cannot get my head around this story. Macquarie universe.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: She's probably happening all around the place. In other universities,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: you will fail a subject unless you have an appropriate
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: acknowledgment of country that's delivered in.
• 43:09
  Speaker 18: Your challenge that I would legally challenge that for the
• 43:11
  Speaker 18: simple reason that it's not a relevant point of learning.
• 43:14
  Speaker 18: Like what the heck if academia wanted to be underminded? Underminded,
• 43:19
  Speaker 18: that's the past of mind. It's Monday, guys, forgiving.
• 43:25
  Speaker 12: I've had a man cold.
• 43:26
  Speaker 18: You can hear it in my voice. Then they're doing
• 43:28
  Speaker 18: a really good job of it. Like what relevance to
• 43:30
  Speaker 18: being able to practice law and being a sharp legal
• 43:33
  Speaker 18: mind and an analytical mind.
• 43:35
  Speaker 12: Does this have?
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: I'd like to see someone challenge it.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: But the trouble is to challenge it, you've got to
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: go ahead and fail the subject and put yourself through it.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: And someone figures that's.
• 43:44
  Speaker 18: You know, not even fail it, like go through the
• 43:46
  Speaker 18: process because you go through the process, but challenge it
• 43:50
  Speaker 18: having delivered what was asked of you, because actually not
• 43:53
  Speaker 18: about the past or the fail, it's the principle of it.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Caro, The point here is that it's got nothing
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: to do with the subject matter. They're just chatting some
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: you signaling in there, and they make your actual academic
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: mark contingent upon it.
• 44:06
  Speaker 19: It's actually obscene. And as someone who studied Lauren and
• 44:10
  Speaker 19: went on to practice for about fifteen years, I can say,
• 44:15
  Speaker 19: having been in the field for a very long time,
• 44:17
  Speaker 19: that you know, a full throated welcome to country is
• 44:20
  Speaker 19: of absolutely.
• 44:21
  Speaker 12: No value to you.
• 44:22
  Speaker 19: When you stand up in a court, you introduce yourself
• 44:26
  Speaker 19: to the bench and you say who you're acting for,
• 44:28
  Speaker 19: and there are no welcome to countries. I think we
• 44:31
  Speaker 19: need to again focus on the things at university which
• 44:35
  Speaker 19: will help students become good practitioners in whatever field that
• 44:41
  Speaker 19: they are going into. But something like this, Chris, even
• 44:44
  Speaker 19: from the point of view of what is enthusiastic enough,
• 44:48
  Speaker 19: like it's so subjective, you know what it reminds me of.
• 44:51
  Speaker 19: It reminds me of you know, when everyone has to
• 44:54
  Speaker 19: applaud the great leader in North Korea and if you
• 44:57
  Speaker 19: don't applaud enthusiastically enough, they take you out at the
• 45:00
  Speaker 19: back and shoot you. It's the same sort of thing
• 45:03
  Speaker 19: and it has absolutely no place in Australian classrooms.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Well, I got to say one of the proudest things
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I ever did when I was at UNI was I
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: did an assignment was on indigenous culture, indigenous issues, and
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: they failed me because I.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Didn't run them.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: And I figured, I know I'm running a contrary line
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: to yours, but I've argued it very well. So I
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: appealed it and I pushed it up and I got
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: marked much higher.
• 45:23
  Speaker 18: And that's what higher education should be about. It shouldn't
• 45:26
  Speaker 18: be about unless you think the way we tell you
• 45:29
  Speaker 18: to think, you're not getting your degree.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: It should be about the contest of ideas kind of central.
• 45:36
  Speaker 18: Yeah, they're an actual embarrassment.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's tragic.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: It's tragic when you think about what it does to
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: intellectual pursuits in this country.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Let's go to the greens when.
• 45:45
  Speaker 20: You're talking about intellectual patri after. This country is going
• 45:49
  Speaker 20: backwards when it comes to productivity, Caroline. They reckon, we
• 45:52
  Speaker 20: should go to a four day week so you can
• 45:54
  Speaker 20: just accelerate the decline of productivity in this country.
• 45:59
  Speaker 19: But the well, the hilarious and terrifying thing was that
• 46:03
  Speaker 19: the justification for the four day week is that employees
• 46:07
  Speaker 19: are not receiving productivity gains. What productivity gains, there are none.
• 46:13
  Speaker 19: Productivity has tanked like the share market this week, and
• 46:17
  Speaker 19: all of a sudden. The Greens want to give away
• 46:20
  Speaker 19: stuff that there doesn't exist to give away. The only
• 46:23
  Speaker 19: outcome of this is that things become more expensive, less
• 46:27
  Speaker 19: stuff gets done, and then the Greens find someone else
• 46:31
  Speaker 19: to blame when they're you know, this just this absolute
• 46:34
  Speaker 19: shambolic type policy which no one with any kind of
• 46:39
  Speaker 19: sense could potentially back. If it backfires, the Greens would
• 46:43
  Speaker 19: just find someone else to blame.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Look, if you want to see productive worker a productive worker,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: then just have a look at a Green center to
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: drag themselves out of bed to talk on Sky News today,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: have a look.
• 46:56
  Speaker 17: Many of the people who are enthusiastically offering a four
• 46:58
  Speaker 17: day week are small businesinesses and they have very localized
• 47:02
  Speaker 17: arrangements that they managed to manage to work well together
• 47:06
  Speaker 17: to achieve a reduction working hours and the flexibility they need.
• 47:10
  Speaker 17: We're not telling anyone how to run their business. We're
• 47:12
  Speaker 17: suggesting there need to be a range of adaptable, flexible options.
• 47:16
  Speaker 8: Here.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: She would not recognize a small businesses. It's set up
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: rapped upside the head.
• 47:23
  Speaker 18: Pardon for the visual. I've been I've been employing people
• 47:26
  Speaker 18: for twenty two years and I have had flexible work
• 47:29
  Speaker 18: arrangements in my team for probably more than half of that,
• 47:32
  Speaker 18: long before COVID, because it does if the right people
• 47:36
  Speaker 18: in the right circumstances.
• 47:37
  Speaker 8: She's talking to.
• 47:38
  Speaker 18: The Greens are talking about four days a week on
• 47:40
  Speaker 18: full pay.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, really that's safe play. Five days pay to four
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: days work.
• 47:45
  Speaker 18: I have got a range of working arrangements across my
• 47:47
  Speaker 18: Perth office and my Sydney office from full time to
• 47:50
  Speaker 18: point five to point three and it works because it
• 47:52
  Speaker 18: works for them and it works for me. And that's
• 47:54
  Speaker 18: what most.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Small businesses to pay for what you were.
• 47:56
  Speaker 18: These people are dead set more on.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Well I think underestimate them. You underestimate them. They're not morons.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: The Greens think of everything because now that everybody's only
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: going to be working four days a week, Adam Bant
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: has been showing everyone what you can do on the
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: fifth day.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Have a look. Yeah that is Adam Bant.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: I think that's in Melbourne and that's it on the
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: fifth day. DJ my god, people vote for this mob.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah they do.
• 48:34
  Speaker 19: It's extraordinary. And as I look at that, I think
• 48:37
  Speaker 19: to myself, God, I hope that is sheep dip on
• 48:39
  Speaker 19: the way in. I mean, look, Adam Bant is this
• 48:42
  Speaker 19: is essentially bred and circuses to, you know, the cohort
• 48:46
  Speaker 19: that they're wanting to vote for them. I think I
• 48:49
  Speaker 19: believe this took place in Fitzroy, which I think probably
• 48:52
  Speaker 19: already doing well. I think Adam Brant's already doing very
• 48:57
  Speaker 19: well in that area. But the simple back to the
• 49:00
  Speaker 19: matter is is that that sort of thing does absolutely
• 49:03
  Speaker 19: nothing to address the very serious issues that are going
• 49:06
  Speaker 19: on in this country.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: It sure doesn't. It gives us a bit of entertainment.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: That's about all. Thank you myself, thanks to Jimmy, Caroline.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: We'll catch you next week. We're going to go now
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: take a short break.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: On the other side of that break, Caleb Bond filling
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: in for Peter Creedlein.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: I'll see you tomorrow.