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Weekend Recap after Iowa falls to USC, NFL thoughts, Scott Dochterman joins from The Athletic · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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Hi, good afternoon. Welcome, Miller and Condon.
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On a Monday, it's the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
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Trent Condon, Ken Miller. We're situated at Des Moines
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Sports station 106.3 KX&O. We're going to talk sports with
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you for the next couple of hours.
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And thank you for starting your afternoon here with us.
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Here's what's coming up on our program.
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At the bottom of the hour or thereabouts, we'll hear from
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Scott Dockerman from The Athletic.
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He covers college football, bowl projections, playoff
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projections, etcetera. And of course, a recap of Iowa
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and USC and other college football topics from Doc Coming
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up here at 12:30, Bama, Bob, Trent and I will take a spin
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around college football from this past weekend, recapping
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another good week of college ball.
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And then Bill Seals on Iowa State as they get back on the
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floor tonight. TJ squad, Campbells team will
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bid due to the seniors coming up on the weekend.
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He'll meet the media tomorrow, but Bill Seals will join us
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today, do some basketball and some football with Bill and then
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Mr. Monday night on the Raiders and the Cowboys.
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It's a helmet game of nothing else.
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That's that's. It.
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That's it. The Cowboys are about a 3 1/2
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point favorite on the road in Las Vegas.
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You know, if they were any good, I got to imagine that they would
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have taken over Vegas this past weekend.
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I'm not certain that they did. Well, we'll see tonight at a
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Legion Stadium. But a lot of people, that's a
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summer trip that you're planning.
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Oh, sure, there's going to be a ton of Cowboy fans.
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Yeah. And.
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There's a ton of every fan team fans.
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And the transplants and the number of people and the number
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of people I'm sure that live in Vegas that are just happened to
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be Cowboys fans because they're everywhere.
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Yeah, it's going to be a very large contingent.
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I'm going to. Guess no doubt about it, but you
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know, watching Iowa and Usci kind of had FOMO and I seldom do
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I. I've never been to the Coliseum
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and I want to get there. So let's get into the game.
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We'll get into the NFL at some point here, maybe, if not in
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segment #1 some point in our number one.
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But and what to say? Just another one right there,
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just right there, right there for the taking.
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And they left it there. It wasn't to be US CS receiver.
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So I want to ask you, and I've almost texted Leistocow and
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Cacord, who I knew were in the postgame press conference, did
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you hear Kirk's postgame press conference when he was talking
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about the receiver? And he said never seen anybody
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like him. And then he stopped and he said
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maybe with one exception. And I was wondering, 'cause I
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don't think he made it clear and I haven't seen any stories and
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he kind of left that open for A, A, a follow up or B,
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speculation. Who was the, who was the name of
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the player that popped into your head when he was talking about
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how do you refer to him #8? I think obviously the Lemonade's
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referring to six, six number six and they left it open for
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speculation. I've never seen anybody like
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him. Well, maybe with one exception.
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And then he moved. On I Believe and I listened to
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Tom's postgame podcast and he intimated that he was talking
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about David Bell. Oh, so it was a receiver?
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That yes, yeah, he was talking about the best receiver.
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OK, so I thought he was talking about best player, offensive
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player. He was just.
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Barkley came to mind for me. Yes, he was talking about a
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receiver and David Bell who absolutely throttled them.
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Yeah, and looked like a guy. Riley Moss first game.
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What a many, what a many. Well, no.
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Was Riley Moss's first game the guy against the French?
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Yeah, it was. The French did.
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You're right. Yep, you're 100%.
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Right. Stefano, Stefano, Whatever that.
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Was by the way, Riley Moss leads the NFL in DPI 9 for against him
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and #2 on. We'll get there, we'll get
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there. We'll get there.
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Relax. Good God, they hate him.
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The one that came to my. Officials go ahead.
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When my mind went first was Plaxico Burris.
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Do you remember? No, not.
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I mean, I remember his career, but I don't remember what he
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did. So that was Kirk's first year
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when they went out there and they got pulverized and they
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were down 42 to 3 and it could have been 73 to three save.
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It was a coach at Michigan State, I believe.
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And if they weren't friends, if they weren't coaches together,
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that thing could have got really ugly.
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It was that bad. They I mean you talk about
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varsity versus JV that is as bad it.
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Was it was really bad? His first year they were awful
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and that was a long day. It was an early kick off.
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We got to the Vine, We're at the Vine all day.
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It was one of those that and the conversations I remember at that
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time about Iowa football coming on the heels of Hayden, how just
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awful cratered. This wasn't against Michigan,
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who at the time was of course the program, this against
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Michigan State, you know, middling program.
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They're OK and you just look non competitive.
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They're competitive and they're competitive here today, 27 years
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later. But back to Saturday.
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But yeah, that that's the first one that came to my voice.
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But I think he was talking about David Bell.
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That's what that's what Tom, that's.
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What Tom thought. And David Bell was a.
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Killer he was. So close and many excuses,
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reasons, justifications. Whatever terminology you want to
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use, they're incredible. Size 11 is post a size 10 1/2
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and. And some of those here's the
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thing that sucked. So I'm getting these still
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pictures from buddies and I see it's on social media that shows
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his toe actually in balance if you have actually the other
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angle from the other side his. Toes out of bounce.
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The one that they showed one time, then he was out of bounds.
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But you go in that back angle, put it in.
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There's two different vantage points, two different pictures.
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So they must have seen something because they upheld the call.
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Well, that's a different conversation they did they moved
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very quickly. Wasn't a whole lot of look at it
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it. My first thought though is well,
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is that reals or AI? You don't that where we are with
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artificial intelligence and OK, yes, I see that.
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And you probably got it from social media.
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You probably got it from maybe you're just zoomed in on your
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TV, whatever it was. However, we don't know and you
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don't know what you get, what's real, what's not right and.
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But Mike Glocksley was fired. They're they're giving him
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another year that. Didn't happen.
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No, that didn't happen. You get duped.
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Now that's been around a lot longer than AI, but that was my
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thought when I started to see those pictures.
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So don't even know if it's real. Iowa cratered, Iowa turtled.
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And when you heard Kirk at half time say, Oh yeah, you know, got
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a control, here we go again. I mean, you can see it coming a
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mile. I had 2110 at the half.
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It felt like they should have been up a lot more.
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Yep. And that was my big take away at
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half time. I did 1/2 time reaction podcast
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up at Wild Rose and that was my take away.
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Fun, enjoyable. You only have 2110?
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Yeah. You got 30 minutes to.
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Go and you know what's going to be coming in the second-half and
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it's exactly what you'd anticipate.
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So here's what Iowa does. Gets the ball for the first
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time. 4 yard run, 2nd 614 yard pass, 5 yard run, 2 yard run,
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third and three run, punt next one first and 10 run.
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Get a first down, incomplete run, interception.
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Now that was the face mask that wasn't called.
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Fourth quarter, you get the ball.
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Run. But then went off his knee,
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right? Was it Gil's knee?
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Yes. Yeah.
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Run 3 yard, pass incomplete. And then the final drive that
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almost was they turtled. They played Curt ball and it
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didn't work. And he couldn't do that against
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USC. And that's where the biggest
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blame lies. You can't play that.
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You could do that against Purdue.
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You can do that against Northwestern.
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You knew that against Wisconsin, Nebraska, and even some
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Michigan. You can't do that against
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Oregon, against USC. You can't do that in the new Big
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10. Absolutely not.
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You have to play to actually outscore the team, not to hold
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on to outscore them. And they didn't.
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Blanked in the final 30 minutes, they.
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Didn't score? Yeah, they didn't score a point.
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No, that goes back to the coaches, Kirk, Lester, whoever.
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That's where it goes back to. Doesn't even try anything until
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you had to. There was a lot of game before
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that that you could have even at the end of the first half.
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And this has been something that has been happening for 27 years.
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How could they be so awful at and a half situations week after
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week, year after year. It's the same garbage.
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You need points we're. About making a mistake, I don't
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know. I think that's lingering.
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The Penn State is lingering in the back of his mind.
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But even in the first half, another three points, think that
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would have been important. Yeah, probably would have
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helped, right? Wouldn't hurt.
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It wouldn't have hurt and they didn't do it and they sat on it.
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Clocks run, could have got 3 and the way they were moving the
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football at the time, USC was on their heels and he didn't take.
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The first half they were and. He didn't take advantage at the
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end of the half, didn't take advantage and here we are having
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the same conversation again. They're close, but they're not
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good enough. No, here comes Michigan State
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and they're a big favorite against Michigan State and then
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obviously Black Friday over in Lincoln.
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They sit six and four and any slim hope that this team was
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going to be CFP bound. That balloon was burst
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Gronowski. I don't know what to make him.
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Trent. I really like him in some
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respects. He just under throws so many
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dudes. It's and and some of the worst,
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the worst moments, but yeah, you mean they open up the game with
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40 something yard pass to Gill? Did he catch another ball?
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Nope. That was it, that was it, that
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was it. Perfectly thrown ball, boy, they
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got something here. But that was it.
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That was it. Moulton ran hard.
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Patterson, I thought ran hard. Numbers didn't really show it
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for him, but just, I don't know, just wasn't to be.
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I thought the linebackers played pretty well in the football
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game. The defensive backs, they were
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there, you know, coverage was there.
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They. Just got beat by better
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athletes. They did.
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They got beat by two guys that are going to play on Sundays.
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You also got to make a play on the ball.
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I mean, you got two guys that are blanketed lemon.
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Yeah, and. They both just.
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The NFL player came down with it, Yeah.
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But they didn't go for it and this has been something that has
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also been happening a lot. They're in great position.
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Make a play, make a play on the ball.
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What? Did you think of my Ava?
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He's good. Yeah, that's what I thought too.
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And when pressure came, he just checked it up and the better
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players went up in main place because it wasn't just Lemon, it
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was Lane. Both those guys are absolute.
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Stunts I like the fact in the first half they kind of went in
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the bag of tricks the Vanderzee pass the Philly special that's
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right. It was perfectly timed.
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If we would just take one more step to play, wasn't there.
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I thought that was good. Von Amy, I thought he had maybe
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his best game as a Hawkeye. Looks like his arrow was
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pointing up. But Gil was really good.
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Then they just never threw the ball.
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Howard, the pass at the at the back of the end zone was the
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right guy to throw to. Obviously he's the biggest guy
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in the field. Tallest guy in the field.
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And shouldn't Gronhowski just run that in?
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Well, it was there wasn't. It was.
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Yeah, it was absolutely when. He threw the ball like that's
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going out the back of the end zone and credit to Howard for
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going up and making a play. Or to actually to his parents,
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because obviously that's a genetic.
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That helps too, right? I there was so much though
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through the course of the game that that was just head
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scratching the officials. You don't be an officials and
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basketball more than football. But in general, it's a loser
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excuse. It is you.
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You lost the game. The face mask was egregious.
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It was terrible. But I also got away with one in
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the end zone with Deshaun Lee. I mean, that's pass interference
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all along and it wasn't called. Was USC holding every play?
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Sure. I think you think Iowa doesn't
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hold. Right, but it was it was the
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face mask it. Was it was the face mask?
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And then what happened right afterwards?
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The interception and then USC takes a.
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Lead just when what a what a sequence right miss face mask
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under thrown ball off his knee. Bang a Trojan standing right
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there. Ball floats and finds a way into
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its hands. So we've got Oregon and USC, the
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two teams that I was facing the last two weeks and they play
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each other coming up this weekend.
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That's a fun game Trent. This not a good weekend.
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You know why it's not a good weekend.
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It's wedding weekend in the South.
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The SEC takes the week off. Well, they really don't, but in
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a way they do with the schedule that they've got.
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But that's a massive There's a few good games, but this might
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be the highlighter of mall or the headliner rather of mall
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Ducks Trojans in in Oregon. And is that a late?
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Game. No, I think it's 2:30. 2:30.
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You know what? Let me look.
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It is. CBS has it.
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Because nothing. There's I, I, I was looking
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ahead, trying to plan my weekend already.
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There's nothing at night for the Nebraska Penn State.
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No. That's about it.
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Pittsburgh, Georgia Tech. Tennessee, Florida.
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So he's a rivalry game. Right, but to here's the game.
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It's Pittsburgh, Georgia Tech, I guess.
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BYU, Cincinnati. Good.
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Cincinnati. Still, that's a good one.
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Do they have a path? Yes, to to the to the to the
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championship. To the Championship.
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And then obviously, if they win it, yeah, I mean, the winner
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probably faces Texas Tech. Yes, yeah.
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So that's an important one. It's not the shiniest.
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Not at. All for for sure and Iowa plays
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at 2:30 and Iowa State plays at 11.
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So they will stay off each other this week and obviously next
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week with the Hawks playing on on Friday in Lincoln NFL from
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yesterday I watched every single snap of your Bears and the
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Vikings. That was really off on JJ
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McCarthy. And there it is.
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I've been waiting. Yeah, I mean, obviously he had
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that nice drive again, I thought.
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They were going to do it same when.
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They took the lead, but man, I, I don't know where they turn.
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I don't know what how. Obviously you give them the rest
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of the year. Yes, absolutely.
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But is, is there going to be a tough decision to be made at the
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end of the year? I mean, he's, we got to keep in
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mind, he didn't play last year and he missed a lot of time this
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year. Whether it was hurt or not,
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There's still there's still people out there who believe
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that that they were hiding him. And when you watch him play, it
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can kind of understand why, right?
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But Caleb Williams, Trent, there's there's a few guys in
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this league that just make you jaw drop when he's escaping from
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the pocket. And Caleb Williams has an
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uncanny ability to make plays when it seems like he's
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hopelessly surrounded. This is not a very good Bears
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team. No, but they leave the division.
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They leave the division, they're not very good.
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It's not a team that's going to be doing damage in January.
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I don't. Think so.
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No, no. Yet you have something, you have
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a coaching staff and you have a head coach.
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It's easy to believe in. You know, the locker room
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speeches, for the most part, they're kind of trenchy.
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A little eye roll. Sure.
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OK. Yeah, He he plays it up, though.
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I mean, he hams it up. He's he definitely took
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something off the Dan Campbell tree, didn't he?
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And it's definitely what they do in the locker room.
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And by the way, Dan Campbell, you you've got to learn.
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You, you've got to you've got to kick around your roster.
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He was old for five yesterday. Old for five.
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Yeah, but go ahead. Sorry to interrupt you.
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He gets that team, though to believe you look at what they
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just do well the defense that isn't very good, especially some
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parts that has I I'm I'm still Cairo Santos sucks yeah I mean
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he he snuck in the game when. He did snuck it in.
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It started. Look it, it's it left his foot.
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I thought he'd missed. I I still baffled in today's day
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and age where you got this guy that can barely kick a 47 yarder
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out there trotting out there week after week, but.
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You got a 60 yarder on the on your on your practice squad,
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right Moody? Yeah, who I would take every day
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over. What didn't work in San
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Francisco? But you know what?
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A lot of kickers failed their first stop.
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And here they are leading the division.
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As he said, they're seven and three.
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And it's not just about this season.
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There's hope. There's real hope that they
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finally have it, that they have the right guy.
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Because Kayla Williams has to get better.
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I mean, he's getting better. He's getting better, but he has
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to be able to be more consistent, has to be able to go
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through his progressions before escaping because you're not
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going to survive in the NFL escaping every time your first
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read isn't there. It's not going to work.
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But the hope is real, Not for this season, but for the future.
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And that the first time in a long time, I think you can say
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that about the Bears, but this is real.
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But there's there's a finally a real foundation here with this
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organization. No, I agree with you.
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Obviously, they need some parts. They weren't scared to spend
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money last offseason. They went in, They retooled
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their offensive line. I like a lot of things about
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this Bears team, Trent. They run the ball hard.
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They do. And when the Vikings took the
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lead, they were able to. I mean the kick return was
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great, huge. Set up beautifully too it.
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Really did it Really did. Credit to the special teams
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coach for setting that up. Get up the right side, blocked
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beautifully on the left and cut back out there and then all
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right, they have a chance. They ran the ball, which is a
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little bit of surprise with Swift to set up the game-winning
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field goal on 3rd long and got what, 7 yards on that play?
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I think it was at the end there, yeah.
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That was very pretty important. 7 yards.
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Because without those 7 yards, probably sure Kyra Santos making
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that feel good. I don't think he is here.
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They are, they do do it again, the Vikings.
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It's this is the Vikings seemingly all the time, though.
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This is how I know this organization.
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You have a year, you make that jump, then they go back to and
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it's a step. Back.
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Well, back in the old days. 8:00 and 8:00 and then next year
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it'll be, oh, you know, I don't know, we'll have to see.
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And they'll surprise and they'll probably get back to the
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playoffs again. That that's what that. 1011
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games, yeah. That's what they do seemingly
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all the time. They'll bring in some veteran,
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they'll bring in some guy. We'll see.
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It'll be competition with him and McCarthy.
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McCarthy won't get the job. They'll go with the veteran and
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they'll go 10 and seven next year.
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Make. The yeah, the guy that was there
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last year, Sam Darnold, threw 4 picks yesterday in a big spot.
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Are you second guessing your? No, it's still not because they
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were still very much in that football If and he hasn't been
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able to do especially against that team, that's been their
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kryptonite because it was the Rams in the wild card game last
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year that he imploded, although the week before he did against
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Detroit, as we recall. Seahawks are good.
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Rams are good, Eagles are good. I was impressed by the Eagles.
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Again, I was, I was too. But again, I think stop going
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for it every single time on 4th down I think I.
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Figured out why it's taken me so long with the Eagles.
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What is it? They're so boring.
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They're just, it's not a fun watch.
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It's not entertaining. They're great, defensively
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great. If they're especially defensive.
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I mean, if you're talking about a unit that you in the NFC that
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you really believe in come January, there's one and it's
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that defense come January, that's the one that you can
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absolutely see. Yes, they can take them to the
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Super Bowl. There's not another unit in the
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NFCI think that you can say. Don't like the Rams offense?
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No, I mean what they have yesterday, 240 yards.
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I understand they got 4 picks and that helps.
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The defense, yeah, but you? Still have 240 yards at home so
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I I can't get there and them having to travel to weather I I
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can't get there. Or do they play each other?
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The Rams and Eagles. They played her on the yeah.
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That was the black. That's right.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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What? Rams had them week two, week
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three-week 4. Some early in the season.
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That's right. You're right.
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Don't go through Philly. They're nine and one.
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The Rams would be 9 and one right now with that one.
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But I do want to say, because I've had a lot of that this
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season, the Eagles don't see it, don't see it.
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I think it's just because I hate the Tush Bush.
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It is not fun to watch well. You know they called him for
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false starting twice yesterday which was nice to see.
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And there was another one in there that they didn't call, but
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at least they got two. It's not fun to watch.
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It's not an entertaining brain of football, and that's probably
19:26
why I've been slower to cover out.
19:27
But that defense is outstanding. The lines offensive line
19:31
mentioned last week, this is going to be a problem.
19:33
This it. Is it's been a problem all year.
19:35
It has Frank Ragnow, their center, quit in July.
19:38
You know that it's it's tough to find a guy out there to replace.
19:42
I'll just go to the AFC. The Chiefs aren't dead.
19:47
Aren't they? No, because you know what
19:49
they're, when you look at who they've got left, they've got
19:54
where, where are they? They're 5:00 and 5:00.
19:57
Five and five, the teams in front of them have beat them.
20:01
That's the problem. Well, that is Jackson.
20:03
You're talking about tiebreakers.
20:04
Yes, all three wild card teams in front of them right now,
20:06
Bills, Chargers and Jaguars all have head to head.
20:10
Now they get another chance against or have they played the
20:12
Chargers? Twice.
20:13
No, they haven't. They'll play in late
20:14
mid-december and then Christmas night, Denver goes there.
20:18
They've got a, I don't know. I don't know if this is an
20:20
elimination game this week, but it might be the Colts against
20:23
the Chiefs in Arrowhead early kick on on Sunday.
20:28
Then they play Dallas, Houston Chargers, Tennessee, Denver,
20:30
Raiders to finish the year. So one more loss.
20:36
That's 11:00 and 6:00. Ten and seven.
20:39
Normally you feel good 10:00 and 7:00 this.
20:42
Year, you know what, you know what the NFL needs, you know
20:44
that thing you find out for us and we usually get to late
20:47
February that where you can put in the results of games.
20:51
Bball.notnothing.net. Yeah, that one, the NFL needs
20:54
one of those where you can kind of put it in and it'll pop it up
20:57
for you. So it.
20:58
Is, I believe is there ESPN has a playoff generator.
21:02
ESPN, that's what it's called the generator, the playoff
21:04
machine. Yeah, here we go.
21:06
I got it right here. All right, so well, let's see,
21:10
what if we just fire the current playoff picture and we just have
21:14
all the favorites win? How about that?
21:16
OK, the team by winning percentage wins the game.
21:19
This is what it spits out in the AFC.
21:22
The Colts the number one seed. Don't like that?
21:24
#2 seed the Broncos, three seed the Patriots, four seed the
21:30
Steelers and Buffalo, the Chargers and Jacksonville.
21:34
But that's just what the standings are now projected
21:36
forward. There's nothing else unless you
21:38
go game by game. You could.
21:40
Could you put in or do you have to actually put it in?
21:42
Put it yourself. Yeah, you got it's too.
21:44
Much work, yeah. We got a lot of football still
21:46
to be played before we get to that to make it.
21:48
Happen, but I don't think they're dead as much as I wanted
21:51
to yesterday. When will let's split the
21:53
uprights from 35 And I went bananas in my living room since
21:56
I haven't done that since I don't know when. 10 years, Ding
22:00
Dong. The Chiefs are dead.
22:02
Mahomes. It's finished.
22:03
By the way, just real quick on Mahomes, the last the last play
22:06
when 29, the DB comes off the edge on the corner blitz and
22:10
gets Mahomes. Did you see what he did right
22:12
off the bat? He turns around looking for the
22:15
official and starts patting his head like I I need a call here.
22:19
You got hit in the head. No, he didn't though.
22:22
Well, he's trying to sell it. I need a call here just like
22:25
they got against Riley Moss when the pick 6 was taken back.
22:28
He won. Are you OK?
22:32
He drives me nuts. I know this.
22:35
I know this. And I'm not alone.
22:37
Even non Bronco fans, if you're a football fan you're sick of
22:42
this guy's antics. I'm not, I enjoy watching it.
22:45
Oh. God, I don't know how you can.
22:47
You're all your fan of team in the NFC and he'd call here
22:50
normally they get it. You know who else was good in
22:52
that game? Travis Kelsey.
22:53
Yeah, he was really good in that game.
22:55
Fountain of Youth. Bo Nicks was OK Bo.
22:59
He was OK, Bo. He's better than JJ McCarthy,
23:02
I'll give him that. OK, that's where we're setting
23:05
the. Bar he's got that one.
23:06
Clear when he needs to make a play late in the football game,
23:10
yeah. Fourth quarter Bo.
23:11
He's really good and he didn't do anything in the 1st 3/4 to
23:17
hurt his football. Team Yeah.
23:20
He did. And then there's been plenty of
23:21
times he. Has he?
23:22
Has? Absolutely.
23:23
They actually got a first down on their first possession.
23:27
I can't tell you the last time that happened.
23:29
And the guy that popped to me that you brought up, Pat Bryant.
23:32
He's going to be a star, I think.
23:33
He's really, he is. He's incredibly.
23:35
He's still only 22. I mean, this guy we've been
23:38
talking about the Broncos not having a number one.
23:40
It's not going to happen. No, no, no, no.
23:42
But going forward. Did you think in Illinois he was
23:45
going to be he? Was good.
23:47
Yeah, he was good. I thought he'd stick in the
23:49
league, but what it looks like his upside might be, I didn't
23:52
see. That when they drafted him, I
23:54
thought, all right, this guy's got a chance and love him in
23:56
college. But anyways, Seattle Rams, we
24:01
talked about that briefly here. Sam Darlinsky, you can't make
24:06
those plays. Buffalo.
24:07
Unbelievable. Yeah, I thought they were
24:09
cooked. I thought they were cooked as
24:11
well. I really did.
24:12
And the Packers do it again, Yeah.
24:13
I, I don't know how, I, I, I don't know how other than it's
24:16
the Giants and. That helps.
24:18
That certainly didn't hurt. Jordan Love.
24:21
I mean, we got Malik Willis out there.
24:23
I know. Well, he, he got hurt.
24:25
Malik Willis didn't look too bad at that spot.
24:27
All right, 1225, we will get to Scott Dockerman on the other
24:31
side. Doc covers the college football.
24:33
We get his bowl projections. We'll get how he sees the NFL
24:37
playoff coming up here. The college football player, I
24:40
beg your pardon? And obviously take a look back
24:43
at the USC and Iowa from this past week.
24:47
Hawks are. How big of a favorite?
24:48
Double digits is it? It's not 14, is it?
24:51
1312 I saw the opening line Saturday night was even higher
24:55
than that's it. Let me see where we're at
24:58
currently at 16 1/2 it is. That's a.
25:01
Sparty's a bad football. Team Bad, still a lot of points.
25:05
Absolutely. Here's Todd.
25:07
Hi, Todd, How are you? Good.
25:10
How are you guys doing? What's going on?
25:13
Hey, I loved that little segment there where you guys went.
25:17
I think you said the ESPN generator to get.
25:19
To. See if the Chiefs are dead, I
25:22
would hope that maybe you guys do this the rest of the season
25:24
and maybe throw the Bears in there and a few other local
25:27
teams and, and see where we're at and see who's moving up and
25:31
who's down, who's trending what, because it might be fun to
25:34
follow that. Hell yeah.
25:35
I think we're on to something. We will talk because right now
25:39
the Chiefs are the Chiefs. The Bears would host a home
25:41
game. How about that?
25:43
Didn't have that before. Thanks, Todd.
25:44
Appreciate the call. Thanks for listening.
25:46
Yeah. No, no, nobody did good stuff.
25:49
All right, We're under way on a Monday.
25:51
We'll get Scott Dockerman on the other side, Miller and Connor.
25:54
And we're glad you're with us as we talk sports with you on the
25:57
Iowa Sports Radio Network. I'm Hillary Condon, welcome back
26:09
just past 1230 on a Monday chant and I with you until too.
26:12
Glad you're with us. Let's get Scott Dockerman in
26:14
here. He writes for The Athletic where
26:16
he covers college football amongst other things,
26:19
television, etcetera. Doc Trenton, Ken, thank you for
26:22
coming on sports television. I should clear that up.
26:25
Good to talk to you, Doc Appreciate you coming on another
26:29
great weekend of college football comes and goes.
26:31
Let's start with USC and Iowa and and just I guess the the
26:37
skill positions when it comes to USC.
26:39
My Ava was really good, but Lemon is as good a receiver.
26:44
I don't know. I mean, Ohio State's got a
26:46
pretty good one. Now there's there's a few, but
26:48
this guy, this Lemon God character has got to be on any
26:51
list amongst college football's top receivers.
26:53
Would you agree? No question.
26:56
I, I think he he and Jeremiah Smith are are 1A and 1B right
27:01
now in the country. He is a a massive player.
27:04
I think probably some older Iowa fans maybe have some post PTSD
27:10
from the old Mike Williams action back in the old Orange
27:14
Bowl in early 2003. But I think Lemon's more
27:18
athletic. He is clearly more athletic.
27:21
He's as good as it is there is in, in the country and, and it
27:25
was showed I, I didn't get a chance to watch all the game
27:28
because I was covering. I was over at Wrigley, but I, I
27:31
saw enough of it to, to see that there was just so much.
27:35
I mean, I was defensive backs did as good of a job as you
27:38
could do on him. Yet he is so athletic.
27:41
I mean, he's a pro. He's a guy who's the 1st
27:44
rounder. He's kind of up there with like
27:45
Roman Doones when he was with Washington and some of the
27:48
others. So very difficult guy to cover.
27:51
So Iowa, another close loss, is it just going to be, is that
27:55
going to be the story of the season?
27:56
And say they do win these last two games, They win a bowl game
28:00
and go 9:00 and 4:00. What do you think it's going to
28:03
be? Is the temperature They're
28:04
close, Hey, maybe a little work in the portal says this program
28:08
still can humble along and they can get back in playoff
28:10
contention. Or is this going to be looked at
28:13
and kind of that hindsight? Oh, man, that was the
28:15
opportunity. That was the season they should
28:17
have got there and they didn't. I want you to crystal ball a
28:19
little bit and see what the future kind of is after the
28:23
season finally goes to the end because they have been so
28:25
incredibly close. I think that's up to each
28:29
individual person. And, and because my view is
28:32
probably going to be different than than most fans, which kind
28:34
of swing on the pendulum. And and that is you, you have
28:38
some groups that that probably look at this as a failure
28:44
because you didn't get to the playoffs.
28:46
And, and I can understand that to an extent, but I think it's
28:50
more or less that Iowa's problem was just not getting over the
28:57
hump and some really good games. I, I've seen some kind of funny
29:00
memes like Iowa almost beat everybody good this year.
29:03
Well, you didn't do that. But if they go nine and four, I
29:07
think you look at it as a pretty decent year.
29:09
I think it's in that second tier year, which, you know, they they
29:13
I think they had a better team this year than they did in in 21
29:17
or 23 when they won the divisions.
29:21
Not as good a defense. Those defenses were, you know,
29:23
especially 23 was is unbelievable.
29:26
But I also think that, you know, it's sometimes you you need you
29:31
need an offensive skill player who can kind of tilt you over
29:34
the top. And if there's no Makai lemon on
29:36
this team, there's no Caleb Johnson.
29:39
I think Kamari Molt was a terrific running back.
29:41
But sometimes you just need that difference maker probably more
29:44
through the air. A tight end of of even and Iowa
29:48
doesn't have the same LaPorte or Kai 11.
29:50
So I think that's probably the difference between still being
29:54
in in the CFP contention and now probably in the contention
29:58
between Tampa and and Las Vegas. Yeah, and you have them, I
30:02
believe in Tampa. In fact, I I looked at your bold
30:04
projections doc and it was a it was a pretty intriguing match
30:07
up. Who?
30:08
It's an SEC team. Who was it?
30:11
Texas. Yeah, hello.
30:14
That would work. I mean that that would be, I
30:17
think that would get a lot of people's attention, right?
30:20
If that's. Yeah.
30:23
I mean, it was and then these these matches are so fluid.
30:26
But, you know, I think last week it was Oklahoma and Oklahoma
30:29
winning and beating Alabama vaulted it up.
30:32
And then Texas is, you know, loss put some down and and but
30:37
yeah, I mean, Arch Manning versus I versus Bill Parker.
30:40
I mean, I think that's something that ABC could sell as a curtain
30:43
raiser to the, to the, you know, second round, the quarterfinals.
30:47
So sure, I, I think that'd be great.
30:49
I think if there was Vanderbilt with Diego Pavia, that would be
30:53
a tremendous matchup. You know, if Oklahoma falls out,
30:58
that might be a good one. I don't know that LSU would be
31:01
in play there because, you know, they don't have a coach and I
31:04
don't know that there's a lot of pizzazz with with LSU right now.
31:08
But but, and then there's going to be quite a few SEC teams.
31:12
So, you know, I, I would not put Tennessee there just because
31:16
they've played so frequently in the Citrus Bowl.
31:19
And then the Citrus Bowl is probably more than likely going
31:21
to take Michigan because it hasn't taken Michigan in several
31:25
years. And Michigan will end up
31:28
probably with a better record than Iowa, even though I think
31:30
Iowa is a better team. I know in your bowl projections,
31:34
you also have Iowa State taking on Missouri, but doing so in the
31:37
Texas Bowl, which gets cycling fans extremely hopeful that
31:41
you're right because because their fear is they're going back
31:44
to Memphis again. And I get it.
31:46
I mean, the Liberty Bowl this would be, but I think the third
31:49
time in nine years. So hopefully, hopefully they
31:52
avoid Memphis. Sorry, Trent.
31:53
No. I was going to say yeah, that
31:57
would this is one of the things that the Bulls are going to have
32:00
to get right or the leagues are going to have to get right for
32:02
the Bulls. And this is relates especially
32:04
to the Big 12 is the Liberty Bowl is a is a decent
32:09
destination if you're 6:00 and 6:00 or 7:00 and 5:00 at the
32:12
most and you want to just drive and go see a bowl game.
32:15
It was nice like the first time Iowa State went there or maybe
32:17
the second time, But you know, even Phoenix, which is not it's
32:22
it's a little bit lower on the on the realm, but it's also a
32:27
better destination. I think I was think fans would
32:30
much rather go to play Minnesota or Northwestern out at in
32:34
Phoenix rather than anybody else.
32:37
You, you mentioned, since you mentioned that doc, I saw
32:40
Poller, Jamie Poller looked like he was kind of politicking for
32:43
that bowl in Phoenix. And I don't blame him.
32:46
It's, it's the right bowl, right, guaranteed right bowl in
32:50
Phoenix. How much influence do ADS have
32:53
when they get out this far in advance of that?
32:55
Or do they at all? They do, yeah, absolutely they
32:59
do. They do.
33:00
And the leagues do. And I think it's probably, and
33:03
then Jamie's absolutely, 1000% right to do this because what it
33:07
does is it steers influence. It kind of lets the Liberty Bowl
33:12
know early, It lets the league know early that, you know, Iowa
33:16
State's been there frequently. You might want to look for
33:19
somebody else, maybe Cincinnati, maybe you know, TCU or Baylor if
33:23
they make it there or if Kansas State even becomes eligible,
33:27
which I think Kansas State will. I'm not so sure about Kansas.
33:31
And I think that would be something that would feed into
33:34
their discussions because you know, like the SEC has it right
33:38
when it comes to this. They have like a the the Citrus
33:40
Bowl and then they have like a six bowl tier and what the what
33:44
they're all considered on the same level.
33:47
The team send in their three top three requests, 123 and the
33:50
Bulls send in their top three requests and then the SEC
33:54
determines who goes where. So that way, if it rather than
33:58
allow it to be a kind of a selection process, and I think
34:02
that the the Big 12 would it would behoove them to do that
34:04
because I mean, frankly, Iowa State, if if you're, you know,
34:07
the Texas bowl would be great. I mean, if they play Mizzou,
34:11
that would kind of generate some interest, you know, because they
34:14
played each other for 100 years and, and then also playing in
34:17
Texas I think is a good thing. And and they're not completely
34:20
out by the way, of the Alamo bull.
34:22
I know the Alamo bull is looking at Iowa State too.
34:24
So, yeah, that's not one that's out.
34:26
But I do, you know, but I, I think if you get past those two
34:30
Texas bulls, you don't really want to go back to, to Orlando.
34:34
You've been there pretty recently a couple of times.
34:36
I think Phoenix would be a good spot even though it's lower in
34:39
the big twelves. You know, echelon.
34:42
So we know in the College Football Playoff, the ACC is now
34:45
going to get one in the hope of a nine and four Duke team
34:48
getting in and maybe two group of fives on that one's off the
34:51
table. So they're going to get somebody
34:52
in. Can they get 2?
34:54
I mean, Miami, it feels like the argument is strengthening when
34:58
the first playoff committee, when they first put out their
35:00
first one was coming on the heels of another ugly loss.
35:04
But then you look at their totality, they get to 10 and
35:06
two, they'll have the win against Notre Dame in their back
35:08
pocket. Is is Miami maybe more back on
35:10
the table? And is that the most interesting
35:12
thing to look at in that stupid TV show tomorrow night to seeing
35:15
what they do with the Hurricanes?
35:17
Yeah, I think so. I think the Hurricanes, you
35:20
know, getting back up and you know that they were what, 14th
35:24
or no, that's their poll. But, you know, they, they've
35:27
been in, you know, they, they're right there on the cusp.
35:31
But, you know, I, I would also say that Miami has done this to
35:35
themselves. I mean, they're, they're 15th.
35:36
I'm sorry. And they'll they'll move up, you
35:39
know, and it depends on what happens with some of the teams
35:42
above them, you know, But you know, I guess I don't have any
35:47
sympathy for Miami. Well, you know, when when you're
35:50
when you lose to 22 unranked teams.
35:52
I mean, Louisville was pretty decent, but now it's seven and
35:55
three and and SMU is 7 and three as well.
35:59
But you're supposed to be a top five team and and you're keep
36:03
you do this every year under Mario Cristobal.
36:06
So get overhyped, win a couple of games early.
36:09
You know, Notre Dame was a terrific win at home, very close
36:12
game. But you know, the playing NC
36:15
star they beat NC State playing Virginia Tech is not going to
36:19
shouldn't vault them up even one spot.
36:21
Now pit is a different animal. But I don't know.
36:24
I I think the SEC will continue to kind of swirl around and, and
36:29
frankly, I think both Oregon and USC are better than in position
36:32
than than Miami. I mean, if USC wins this week,
36:35
but then both or Oregon beats Washington and USC beats UCLA
36:39
and and they're both 10 and two, I think they're in better
36:42
position than Miami. I mean, they've had, you know,
36:44
better strength of record. How much does the committee
36:47
punish Texas A&M for that close win Wins a win, but it was a
36:53
phenomenal second-half comeback. But do they get punished for
36:56
that doc? They might I mean, Georgia might
37:00
might be able to to move up. I mean, they beat Texas
37:03
decisively and, and then with Alabama losing, it wouldn't, it
37:08
wouldn't surprise me if, if Georgia and maybe even A and MI
37:14
mean, I'm sorry, Texas Tech might slide into that
37:17
conversation. You know, it's, it's, it's one
37:19
of those, well, they're still undefeated, but man, I mean,
37:22
they're down 30 to 3:00. And I thought there was no way.
37:26
And, you know, they came back and won.
37:27
But it's also like you're at home, I guess team that's not
37:30
going anywhere that you got to, you got to be punished for that.
37:33
I mean, I think if anything, it's they completely solidifies
37:36
that Indiana deserves to be a minimum #2 over Texas A&M.
37:41
Scott Dockerman from The Athletic What are you working on
37:44
this week? I'm working on, I was at
37:47
Northwestern on Friday all day. I went to their new stadium and
37:52
got a tour there from the Ryan family.
37:55
You know, going through each and every, it's going to be amazing.
37:58
I can't even describe how good this place is going to be.
38:01
It's going to be the best sight lines in the country, bar none.
38:04
And so I'm writing that. I'm also breaking down the SCC
38:07
and Big 10s TV issues with my SEC colleague Seth Emerson and
38:15
and so those and also looking at the Dakota schools and the FCS.
38:20
So yeah. Busy week for you, busy week for
38:23
Trent and I and all the other subscribers up there as we read
38:25
your work faithfully at the Athletic doc Thank you.
38:28
I will speak with you next week if your schedule allows.
38:30
Thank you, Scott Dockerman. Have a great week.
38:33
You too. Thank you.
38:34
Thank you, Doc. All right, Scott, Document on
38:36
college football. Did you see much of the regular
38:38
game? I did.
38:39
Did you? Yeah.
38:40
Yeah, I saw. Everything Game winner.
38:43
Yes. Did they have to drive the
38:46
length of the field to get it in range or was it was it ever in a
38:49
vine? They're not going to Northwest
38:51
is going to pull this one out or did you?
38:52
I didn't ever have that, OK. It felt like they were going to
38:55
get there. And as bad as Underwood was, and
38:56
some of those interceptions were just hideous.
38:58
I mean just. College football's never seen a
38:59
freshman like. Him.
39:00
Well, maybe somebody has overhyped as him.
39:03
Well, he said it himself. He had Arch Manning too, so
39:05
maybe that's a little bit more difficult.
39:07
Yeah, I just, it kind of had that feeling that they were
39:09
going to find a way on that drive, that they were going to
39:11
get down there. But I was hanging out of Wild
39:13
Rose in Jefferson, so I got to see everything.
39:15
It was. Good.
39:16
Was it good? Yeah, great turn out for Dallas
39:18
Clark. Yeah, good, really good crowd
39:20
that was on hand for that one. Met a number of people at the
39:22
sports car and memorabilia show. Couple listeners to our show.
39:26
Big thank you. Got some cards for the kids.
39:28
Got a couple of Kate and Clark cards and opened up a couple of
39:31
old packs of cards. You know reminiscing.
39:33
Going back and got myself a new to Kembe Mutombo, just what I
39:35
need. You can never have enough to
39:37
Kembe on the tumble card strength.
39:39
Miller and Condon back to wrap up hour number one.
39:41
Bama Bob kicks off hour two, Bill Seals on Iowa State, it's
39:44
the Iowa sports radio network. Hi Miller and Condon, welcome
39:48
back. Final couple of minutes.
39:50
Hour number one. We'd be remiss, Trent, if we
39:51
didn't congratulate the Saskatchewan Rough Rider fans.
39:55
I saw that on CBS Sports Network.
39:58
It's on. Yeah.
39:58
I watched it after the Broncos while waiting for the Sunday
40:01
night game. Yeah.
40:04
Anyways. Stage is set for the 5A
40:06
championship game next Friday. I'm.
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Just going to get there because I watched the Murphy and
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Surrency do the game. You have the call.
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I didn't see Dowling this year. The running back #5.
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Ian Middleton, yeah. Middleton Where is is he a
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senior? Yes, yeah, he's been around.
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He's been a three-year starter for him.
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He's a load. He is.
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He's a load man and Nahos the quarterback and his younger
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brother Jimmy. I didn't see the Liberty game.
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They're fun to watch. Are they?
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They're undersized. This is going to be a good game.
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We'll see. I mean, this is the embodiment
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of big tough veteran. In there.
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Against Liberty, Scott Chandler, he might be the best coach in
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high school. I mean, what he's done with this
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team these last couple of years, they're little.
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They're they're, this is not an offensive line.
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You what you see here in the CIML and the way that they just
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physically dominated Milwaukee Northwest.
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Physically. Absolutely.
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Giving up twenty 3050 yards. As they will to be again this
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week. Absolutely.
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It's going to be a fun cat and mouse game.
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Their offense is so fun to watch.
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And their quarterback, Reese Redding, he's little.
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He is entertaining, runs around, he makes plays.
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He is a different kind of quarterback than anything
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Dowling has seen all season long.
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And we'll have it for you here. 7:00 Friday night.
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Good. Stuff what we're talking about
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that hats off to Brad Bunting and his crew had the valley
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Dowling game Bunting was the white hat.
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They love the explanations. They did a nice job at least in
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that semi final hour number two is next Bama Bob will kick it
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off Bill Seals joins us. So does Mr. Monday night, Miller
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and Condon an hour to go on a They're probably.
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I'm glad you're with us on the Iowa Sports Radio Network.