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473: Human Design Penta and Wa: How Group Energy Shapes Your Family, Your Team, and the World Around You · Unshakeable with Human Design - A Human Design For Business Podcast

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Nicole Laino: Come here to become an unshakable human and build an unshakable business according to your human design.
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Nicole Laino: I'm your host, Nicole Laino.
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Nicole Laino: Hello and welcome to Unshakable with Human Design.
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Nicole Laino: I'm your host, Nicole Laino, and I am so happy to be here with you.
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Nicole Laino: We're actually talking about a topic that I have wanted to talk about on this show for a long time, and I don't think we ever have.
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Nicole Laino: If we did, it was a really long time ago.
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Nicole Laino: I didn't go back to look, but I was just like, I want to talk about this.
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Nicole Laino: And I don't think we've talked about it.
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Nicole Laino: And if we didn't go this deep.
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Nicole Laino: And it was a really long time ago.
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Nicole Laino: So this is very fresh.
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Nicole Laino: I'm so excited.
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Nicole Laino: I love talking about new stuff because this is actually something I think about all the time.
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Nicole Laino: I am always so conscious of this and I feel like this is one of those things in human design people don't talk about that much.
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Nicole Laino: And the reason for that is this is a very advanced aspect of human design.
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Nicole Laino: It's not something taught in a lot of programs.
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Nicole Laino: People don't really understand it.
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Nicole Laino: There's not a ton of information out there about it.
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Nicole Laino: Even you would get more into this in, like, BG5, which is the traditional human design business program.
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Nicole Laino: You would get more into that there.
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Nicole Laino: But it's fascinating topic.
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Nicole Laino: So before we get started, I do want to let you know that we have a really cool guide.
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Nicole Laino: So if you're into human design at this level, if you're like, I'm interested in these, like, group energy dynamics because we're going to talk about the penta and the wa.
1:36
Nicole Laino: That's so exciting.
1:37
Nicole Laino: If you're interested in this, if you're like a human design enthusiast to this level, then maybe you've thought about using human design or maybe you already do in your life or in your coaching, whatever it is.
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Nicole Laino: We have made a coach's guide to human design, which is totally free that you can download if you go to nicolelaino.com coach or you DM me the word coach on Instagram.
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Nicole Laino: I'm icoleno official and you can get the guide right there.
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Nicole Laino: But you should read that.
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Nicole Laino: That is kind of like my spin on.
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Nicole Laino: Because there's a difference between knowing what human design is and actually knowing how to use it.
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Nicole Laino: And guide people with it.
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Nicole Laino: And that's what that guide is really, you know, making the distinction between.
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Nicole Laino: And we actually give you my frameworks and the ways that I think about guiding the five different types.
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Nicole Laino: So we gave it to you at the type level.
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Nicole Laino: And then there's a lot about, like, how this really shows up, what the differences are, you know, more of the philosophical stuff in there.
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Nicole Laino: So it's a hefty guide and it's super valuable and it's free.
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Nicole Laino: So, like, why don't you give it a shot, right?
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Nicole Laino: If you're interested in it, go see what's in there, check it out.
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Nicole Laino: I promise you, I don't make crap.
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Nicole Laino: All of my stuff is very good.
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Nicole Laino: That's the feedback we get.
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Nicole Laino: But let's talk about this.
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Nicole Laino: So what we're talking about today is we are talking about two concepts in human design are that are called the penta and the wa.
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Nicole Laino: So what are these things?
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Nicole Laino: So this is really about, at the core, what these two things are a part of.
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Nicole Laino: I'll tell you what each one means and we'll talk about how they show up and all of that fun stuff.
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Nicole Laino: This is group energy dynamics.
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Nicole Laino: So you don't have a penta, you don't have a wa, I don't have a penta, I don't have a wah.
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Nicole Laino: These are for groups.
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Nicole Laino: This is when more than two people come together.
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Nicole Laino: And I'll talk about the distinctions between these.
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Nicole Laino: And, you know, this is gonna be kind of like an intro into what these things are and how they work and how we see them working.
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Nicole Laino: And I promise you'll, like, never see the world the same after you start understanding what penta and wa are.
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Nicole Laino: So the group energy dynamics change and shape our lives in truly, like, unconscious ways.
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Nicole Laino: Because you think you are who you are.
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Nicole Laino: You think you know yourself.
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Nicole Laino: And if you're into human design, then you probably really think you know yourself and you know your process and you have all of these truths, right?
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Nicole Laino: But you are different in every group.
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Nicole Laino: Take a moment to think about that.
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Nicole Laino: Take a moment to think about how when you are around a certain group of three people, how different you are.
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Nicole Laino: Think about how you're different when you go to, like, a concert or you go to a protest, which there are lots of those these days, or you go to a big conference, maybe in your industry.
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Nicole Laino: How are you different there?
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Nicole Laino: Do you get bigger or do you get smaller?
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Nicole Laino: Do you feel like people see you more when you're in a group or less?
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Nicole Laino: Do you feel the same?
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Nicole Laino: Maybe you do but you are different.
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Nicole Laino: So group energy dynamics start to answer.
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Nicole Laino: They are at the heart of the answer to questions like why do some people feel powerful or more clear in a group than they do one to one.
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Nicole Laino: Like, why do some people come alive when they are in like a little team?
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Nicole Laino: Right.
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Nicole Laino: Why do some people have an unexpected lanable hold on a large group versus others?
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Nicole Laino: Why do some people have that?
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Nicole Laino: Why do some people just have that?
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Nicole Laino: And we'll use the term magnetism.
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Nicole Laino: Why is it some people, you can't take your eyes off of them, you can't stop listening to them, you are really called in or pulled into their energy when they're operating in a certain way with a certain group.
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Nicole Laino: Group energy dynamics, the penta and the wa are at the heart of the answers of all of these questions.
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Nicole Laino: Any question like that.
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Nicole Laino: So in this episode I'm going to break down what the penta and the wa are and we're going to talk about this from like a bigger, grander scale.
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Nicole Laino: How this is working and why it's so important and why human design is so important, why we bang on about things like 2027 and what individuality is going to mean and how the world is changing.
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Nicole Laino: This is at the core of all of it.
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Nicole Laino: Okay, so let's start with the penta, because this is a bit easier to understand.
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Nicole Laino: So family dynamics are really at the heart of the penta.
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Nicole Laino: Penta happens whenever three to five people come together.
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Nicole Laino: Now if you have a party and there are 20 people at the party, that party you will notice.
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Nicole Laino: Now that you know this, when you walk into any party, you're going to start to see.
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Nicole Laino: You'll see groups of three, you'll see groups of four, you might see a group of five.
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Nicole Laino: You won't see like groups of six.
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Nicole Laino: They'll start to pair off, they'll start to.
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Nicole Laino: You'll see one to ones that still exists, right?
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Nicole Laino: We still have one to one connection, but that is still you and somebody else.
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Nicole Laino: There isn't this group dynamic thing that's happening yet.
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Nicole Laino: It happens when three to five people come together and that creates kind of this like little energy vortex between all of the people.
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Nicole Laino: And it really depends on who's in that group.
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Nicole Laino: That changes the group dynamic.
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Nicole Laino: You will feel different.
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Nicole Laino: It's not going to be every group of three to five people, although there are some people who are penta people.
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Nicole Laino: And if you're a penta person, then in groups of three to five people, you might stand out more so than people who are not penta people like My husband is not a penta person.
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Nicole Laino: Doesn't have any penta energy, really.
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Nicole Laino: He has lots of individual energy.
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Nicole Laino: And the penta is about team.
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Nicole Laino: Whether it's a family team that is striving for success within their family and for the family to thrive and all those things, or it is a team at work.
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Nicole Laino: He's not really that person.
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Nicole Laino: He's like the dude that's like, I do my own thing, thanks.
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Nicole Laino: Like, I don't really need to be part of the group.
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Nicole Laino: And you'll always see him kind of like he's like one to one with somebody, or he's like, I'm out.
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Nicole Laino: And he'll go find a way to be by himself.
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Nicole Laino: And he's a projector.
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Nicole Laino: So we've got double here.
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Nicole Laino: He's got his projector energy, which focuses an individual more easily than it focuses on a group.
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Nicole Laino: And then he's not a penta person.
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Nicole Laino: So it's like not into this whole group thing.
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Nicole Laino: I'm a penta person.
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Nicole Laino: I have a strong presence in a penta.
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Nicole Laino: And knowing that and looking back on my life, why, whenever I worked in companies, like I had just this strong presence, I just rose very quickly to being a core member of a team.
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Nicole Laino: Not because I tried, not because, like, that was a goal for me.
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Nicole Laino: It just naturally happened.
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Nicole Laino: My energy gets recognized in that type of situation and then now pair that with the other aspects of my design and who I am as a person.
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Nicole Laino: Virgo and Saturn in virgo in my 10th house.
8:18
Nicole Laino: Yeah, I show up at work a pretty disciplined, hard worker.
8:24
Nicole Laino: So like, all of that to say, like, there's a human element on top of this, but it's also, you show up and you shine more easily in these type of dynamics.
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Nicole Laino: So the penta has a goal, but it's a goal as a group.
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Nicole Laino: It's a goal for that team, for that family to succeed, to thrive.
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Nicole Laino: And it works together.
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Nicole Laino: The energy pulls together like a little vortex in order to make that happen.
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Nicole Laino: So pentas can be complete or they can be incomplete.
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Nicole Laino: When they're incomplete, we end up getting a group that might have a lot of fun together, but they might not necessarily be moving forward and succeeding to the level that they want to, they might have more of a struggle.
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Nicole Laino: But when we have a complete penta, where all of the energies within the pentasphere and penta centers around the G center and the columns between the channels, between the sacral to the G center and the G center to the throat center, if you don't have any channels in there.
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Nicole Laino: If you have an open G center, you might not be a penta person.
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Nicole Laino: That doesn't mean that you can't be successful.
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Nicole Laino: It just means that if you found that you were a little bit more muted in those settings where maybe you worked with a group of three to five people, maybe you worked on a team and you're just like, yeah, no one ever really saw me there, or I worked really hard, but like I didn't rise like some of the other people, or I had to work really hard to do it, or it never really felt like the right place for me.
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Nicole Laino: Then that could be more to do with your energy dynamic than it has to do with the work that you put out.
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Nicole Laino: Who you are, how much you liked those people.
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Nicole Laino: Or you might have had fun there, but not really felt like it.
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Nicole Laino: It was like your contribution was recognized the way maybe that other people's was.
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Nicole Laino: So this is how penta works.
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Nicole Laino: But it has a job as a group.
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Nicole Laino: What are we doing?
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Nicole Laino: Not what am I doing?
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Nicole Laino: And if you're not a penta person, then you might be more of an I person.
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Nicole Laino: But that doesn't mean that you can't show up in some sort of other group dynamic.
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Nicole Laino: Remember, we have another one that we are going to talk about.
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Nicole Laino: Okay, now there is another type of energy dynamic called the wah.
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Nicole Laino: Wah is when we get 16 people or more.
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Nicole Laino: So you might say what happens between six and six between that going beyond the penta at the six person to 16?
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Nicole Laino: Well, they're just lots of pentas.
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Nicole Laino: Then if you have a group of all of those people, they're going to break up into little pentas.
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Nicole Laino: And that's how it always works.
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Nicole Laino: But a wa is like, this is where we're talking about herd mentality, group.
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Nicole Laino: Think what happens and what's at the heart of particularly this one.
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Nicole Laino: The wa has a different mission.
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Nicole Laino: The wa is to kind of.
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Nicole Laino: It's like a takeover mechanism.
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Nicole Laino: It is tribes.
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Nicole Laino: It is Republicans and Democrats.
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Nicole Laino: Those are WAHs.
11:30
Nicole Laino: MAGA is a WA.
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Nicole Laino: When you go to a concert, I'm a big concert fan.
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Nicole Laino: That's a wah.
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Nicole Laino: The group that's standing there now, that's a wah.
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Nicole Laino: Now I'm.
11:40
Nicole Laino: For those of you who listen to the show you might have heard me talk about.
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Nicole Laino: I'm.
11:44
Nicole Laino: I've been a lifelong fan of the band YouTube.
11:46
Nicole Laino: That has been my favorite band since I was like 8 years old and I love them dearly.
11:51
Nicole Laino: There is a whole community of you two lovers out there.
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Nicole Laino: I'm in Facebook groups for it.
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Nicole Laino: My sister in law is a big Fish fan.
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Nicole Laino: Like, that's even crazier.
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Nicole Laino: That's a wa, right?
12:06
Nicole Laino: And the way that a WA works is that when you come together, when I go to a YouTube show, I am not me.
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Nicole Laino: My worries go away.
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Nicole Laino: Like, that is a high vibe WA for me.
12:17
Nicole Laino: So when I walk into and my husband always jokes, he's like, this is your happy place.
12:22
Nicole Laino: Like, you turn into a different person when you are here.
12:25
Nicole Laino: I love going to concerts.
12:26
Nicole Laino: My husband and I went to see Radiohead in Copenhagen, which was amazing.
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Nicole Laino: And we do this type of stuff.
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Nicole Laino: Like I'll fly eight hours to go see a two hour show.
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Nicole Laino: If it's that good.
12:37
Nicole Laino: I love them.
12:38
Nicole Laino: But there's something that U2 does to me, something that Radiohead does to me, that is different than just going to see another show.
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Nicole Laino: So when I walk in there, he's like, yeah, you are like, I'm bouncing off the walls, I'm jumping up and down.
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Nicole Laino: I am screaming and laughing and singing.
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Nicole Laino: And it's like the greatest thing.
12:58
Nicole Laino: And I'm high off of the energy because there is an energy dynamic happening in that arena, in that stadium or whatever it is that we are in, right?
13:07
Nicole Laino: So that WA exists.
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Nicole Laino: How does the WA get turned?
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Nicole Laino: It's the front man, it's the band, it is the leader.
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Nicole Laino: That's the most important thing in the wa.
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Nicole Laino: Because the WA doesn't think.
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Nicole Laino: I'm not thinking when I'm at that concert.
13:22
Nicole Laino: I'm just there and I'm kind of going with everything, right?
13:26
Nicole Laino: This is where the group thing comes in.
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Nicole Laino: So when we're all high on that energy, we're not thinking.
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Nicole Laino: WA's don't have thoughts.
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Nicole Laino: It doesn't have the head center involved.
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Nicole Laino: It doesn't have the AJNA center involved.
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Nicole Laino: It has very different energy.
13:41
Nicole Laino: And the way that WAZ work, the way that energy dynamics work in this big group think crowd dynamics is very different.
13:52
Nicole Laino: So it's about the leader.
13:54
Nicole Laino: When I studied this in one of my human design certifications, this one was more geared toward business.
14:02
Nicole Laino: When we studied this, they made us read a book called the Crowd, which was written in 1929 by a German man.
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Nicole Laino: And that book talked about how to control crowds, how to lead movements.
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Nicole Laino: And I'm fairly convinced that every political strategist, certainly in the right wing movement has read this book.
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Nicole Laino: And I say that because they're very good at controlling crowds.
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Nicole Laino: Democrats are not great at controlling crowds.
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Nicole Laino: We're not great at starting movements.
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Nicole Laino: They're not great at galvanizing a group.
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Nicole Laino: And herding them toward anything.
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Nicole Laino: However, the right wing is very good at that.
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Nicole Laino: They are very good at messaging.
14:53
Nicole Laino: They are very good.
14:54
Nicole Laino: I've always said that they study marketing, not politics.
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Nicole Laino: And that is how you win elections, and that is how you win over crowds.
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Nicole Laino: And the way that they do that.
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Nicole Laino: So thesis that we all came to, so what they did was they gave us this book to read, and as were learning penta and wa, and they said we had a group discussion on it.
15:12
Nicole Laino: And most people came to it and they were like, you know, what do you think?
15:15
Nicole Laino: And people were just like, you know, we're fucked.
15:17
Nicole Laino: Like, we're in trouble because it's so easy to control people.
15:20
Nicole Laino: And this is where we're getting to the 2027 change and why human design is so important, why it is so important.
15:28
Nicole Laino: I can hear Ra in my head from all the times I've heard him say, in 2027, it's going to be so important that you have human design because you're going to have to learn and know how to make decisions as yourself.
15:42
Nicole Laino: Because.
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Nicole Laino: And really at the heart of it was the wa, and he hated the wa.
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Nicole Laino: Like, there's nothing we can do about it.
15:48
Nicole Laino: We will never change this.
15:49
Nicole Laino: This is just something that happens when people come together.
15:53
Nicole Laino: We can't change it.
15:55
Nicole Laino: So my own thesis on this, after commiserating with everybody in my group who was saying we're all doomed, because it's about when you can mute the mind and you harness energy and you harness anger, which is really what, you know, was.
16:12
Nicole Laino: Can be used for good or for bad.
16:14
Nicole Laino: And so my own personal thesis on this was, yes, we have to make decisions for ourselves.
16:20
Nicole Laino: And the leaders matter more than anything because it's the leader that becomes the mind, that becomes the head that tells everybody what to believe.
16:29
Nicole Laino: And when you are part of that tribalism, when you are part of that group energy dynamic, that group think, your mind is quiet in there.
16:38
Nicole Laino: Suddenly you stop having your own thoughts.
16:41
Nicole Laino: You start adopting the ones that were given to you because what they've done is a good functioning wa and is harnessing your energy, is harnessing your emotions, is shifting your emotions to an emotional and an ego place.
16:53
Nicole Laino: And if you can make people angry, which was sort of thesis of this crowd book was, if you can make people angry and you can control the emotion, then you can turn them wherever you want.
17:04
Nicole Laino: So some people were like, we're doomed.
17:05
Nicole Laino: We're, there's no surviving this.
17:07
Nicole Laino: This is the end.
17:08
Nicole Laino: But of course, this book was written in 1929 prior to the Nazis.
17:13
Nicole Laino: But it's or right during Nazi movement.
17:16
Nicole Laino: The Nazis were certainly a wa with a dangerous figurehead.
17:21
Nicole Laino: Now is Bono a dangerous figurehead when he's standing on a stage singing to us?
17:27
Nicole Laino: No, not all wahs are bad.
17:29
Nicole Laino: It's who's at the helm and what are they telling everybody to believe, do or feel.
17:35
Nicole Laino: That is the key.
17:37
Nicole Laino: If you're not making decisions as yourself, then you are more susceptible to these energy dynamics because they're happening and we don't know it.
17:45
Nicole Laino: We've been a part of wahs and pentas and all of these things since the beginning of our days.
17:50
Nicole Laino: We always have.
17:51
Nicole Laino: We were dropped into one instantly.
17:53
Nicole Laino: When you had a family, you were in appendix.
17:55
Nicole Laino: Now I look at like, if you look at that, maybe you had a family of four kids.
17:59
Nicole Laino: So if there's two parents and four kids, then that's six.
18:03
Nicole Laino: So you'll notice that in a family like that, there might be one person that trails off where there's five people in the room.
18:08
Nicole Laino: Or they might pair off where there's like a parent with one child and the other parent is kind of with the others.
18:13
Nicole Laino: It's never all six of them engaged together necessarily, unless they're like trapped in a car.
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Nicole Laino: And even if that's the case, there's probably one person at least that's not engaged with the group.
18:26
Nicole Laino: They naturally do these things.
18:28
Nicole Laino: Go watch it.
18:28
Nicole Laino: Go observe this in your own life.
18:31
Nicole Laino: But there are certain people.
18:33
Nicole Laino: So just like there are penta people, there are WA people.
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Nicole Laino: There are people who show up very strongly in large groups in big organizations.
18:43
Nicole Laino: So I look at my time in corporate wa, I was very much a believer and I loved my company.
18:50
Nicole Laino: And I showed up to work so early every day.
18:52
Nicole Laino: I worked 12 hour shifts.
18:54
Nicole Laino: And I showed up and I muscled for it and I hustled for it.
18:58
Nicole Laino: And I believed in the mission and I had the whole thing going till I didn't.
19:02
Nicole Laino: Until I couldn't take it anymore.
19:04
Nicole Laino: I had to break in order for that to happen.
19:08
Nicole Laino: But that was exactly a WA energy dynamic.
19:13
Nicole Laino: I got swept up in being a Goldman Sachs employee.
19:18
Nicole Laino: I was very into it for quite some time.
19:20
Nicole Laino: I was like, this is the greatest.
19:22
Nicole Laino: I was proud to have my badge walking in the building.
19:25
Nicole Laino: Brand new building was so cool and like I was totally in it.
19:29
Nicole Laino: I believed good people worked there, and they did.
19:31
Nicole Laino: I worked with really amazing people.
19:33
Nicole Laino: It ran me into the ground, which is what jobs like that do.
19:37
Nicole Laino: But I have honestly mostly nothing but good things to say about that company.
19:42
Nicole Laino: And the way that I was treated there.
19:43
Nicole Laino: And it wasn't perfect, but it was a great experience.
19:47
Nicole Laino: And truly some of the most amazing people I've ever known in my life I met in that building.
19:52
Nicole Laino: It's amazing.
19:53
Nicole Laino: Super smart people, really giving people.
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Nicole Laino: It's not what everybody makes it out to be.
19:58
Nicole Laino: But still a Wah.
19:59
Nicole Laino: Again, not all Wahs are bad.
20:02
Nicole Laino: It's about the leadership.
20:03
Nicole Laino: It's about what are they doing with that power.
20:06
Nicole Laino: And some people have strong Wah energy.
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Nicole Laino: I do.
20:10
Nicole Laino: We are more susceptible.
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Nicole Laino: We are good food for the WA because we're believers.
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Nicole Laino: We are the ones who get sucked into that.
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Nicole Laino: My husband works for a big company.
20:19
Nicole Laino: Not sucked into it at all.
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Nicole Laino: Not a Wah person.
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Nicole Laino: He's purely individual.
20:24
Nicole Laino: So that is just a very individual thing for him.
20:26
Nicole Laino: But it's also.
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Nicole Laino: It's just like he's not good food for the wa.
20:29
Nicole Laino: They don't eat him up like they ate me up.
20:32
Nicole Laino: I had to break the spell.
20:34
Nicole Laino: So some of us are.
20:35
Nicole Laino: We can really shine in that environment.
20:38
Nicole Laino: I did.
20:39
Nicole Laino: I was a superstar there.
20:41
Nicole Laino: I could have stayed there probably and had a career for the rest of my life.
20:45
Nicole Laino: And I would have been very tired, but I would have been promoted.
20:48
Nicole Laino: I would have been paid a lot of money.
20:49
Nicole Laino: Like, I did really well there.
20:52
Nicole Laino: And I shined.
20:53
Nicole Laino: Like, people noticed me.
20:55
Nicole Laino: Senior people knew who I was.
20:57
Nicole Laino: I was respected there.
20:58
Nicole Laino: I rose there.
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Nicole Laino: Like I said, I made a lot of friends there.
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Nicole Laino: I shined in that environment.
21:04
Nicole Laino: But there's that.
21:05
Nicole Laino: And then there's also.
21:06
Nicole Laino: You can get really swallowed up by it too.
21:09
Nicole Laino: Again, why is it so important for us to be ourselves, to be tuned into our own design, to our own intuition, to look inside for the answer, not outside for the answer.
21:20
Nicole Laino: Because for those of us who are susceptible to it, we will accept the answer that the WA is giving us, that the group energy dynamic, that the leader of that group or the leaders within that group.
21:34
Nicole Laino: So it isn't just the CEO of the company.
21:37
Nicole Laino: It's my manager and my manager's manager.
21:40
Nicole Laino: And these people, like where you idolize these people, where it becomes this, like, very hierarchical thing.
21:44
Nicole Laino: The WA is hierarchical.
21:46
Nicole Laino: It is not a flat organization.
21:48
Nicole Laino: It might tell you that.
21:50
Nicole Laino: But there is a clear leader and clear leaders and people above you, and you're above other people.
21:56
Nicole Laino: That is what it is now.
21:59
Nicole Laino: That is why this is so important to me.
22:03
Nicole Laino: That is why I see human design not just as another personal development tool.
22:09
Nicole Laino: You'll never see the world the same again.
22:12
Nicole Laino: After understanding the penta and the wa, you will see it everywhere.
22:15
Nicole Laino: You will see how people are herded in directions.
22:19
Nicole Laino: You will see why it's not all their fault.
22:22
Nicole Laino: Because there are some people.
22:23
Nicole Laino: I will say this.
22:24
Nicole Laino: Donald Trump has so many WA channels.
22:27
Nicole Laino: He has very strong WA energy.
22:30
Nicole Laino: So that, like, it's no secret on this show.
22:33
Nicole Laino: I don't like the man.
22:34
Nicole Laino: I think he's very dangerous.
22:36
Nicole Laino: I think he has nothing but selfish intent for pretty much everything that he does and is only concerned with enriching himself.
22:44
Nicole Laino: You can disagree with that's fine.
22:47
Nicole Laino: I don't look down on people for what they believe or who they follow, but I find him to be a dangerous person.
22:54
Nicole Laino: And I don't think that's political.
22:55
Nicole Laino: That is very personal to him.
22:57
Nicole Laino: This is not about Republicans.
22:59
Nicole Laino: This is not about conservatives.
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Nicole Laino: This is about that man.
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Nicole Laino: And he is a very powerful.
23:06
Nicole Laino: I listen to him sometimes and I'm like, how does anybody believe this?
23:09
Nicole Laino: He's such a liar.
23:10
Nicole Laino: I've been watching Donald Trump since I was a child because I grew up in New York, and he was a liar then.
23:17
Nicole Laino: And I knew people who knew him, and they were like, yeah, he's a total con man, but he seemed harmless back then because he was just cheating on his wives and going bankrupt and putting up casinos.
23:26
Nicole Laino: Nobody really cared.
23:28
Nicole Laino: He didn't have the fate of the world in his hands.
23:31
Nicole Laino: Now it's.
23:31
Nicole Laino: There's different stakes, but I'll see that.
23:34
Nicole Laino: And I'm like, how do people believe this?
23:35
Nicole Laino: He's so clearly a liar.
23:37
Nicole Laino: And if you look at the facts, throughout the ages through his life, he's just lied the entire time.
23:46
Nicole Laino: Like, how can you trust this man?
23:48
Nicole Laino: And part of it is, you know, there's this question of, like, how is it that people are so loyal despite all of these things that he's done, that he gave a trillion dollar tax cut to wealthy people and the middle class is still struggling.
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Nicole Laino: Why is it that the middle class is still.
24:02
Nicole Laino: Still supporting that?
24:04
Nicole Laino: Because there is a strong movement that they have built that people identify with that so much that they cannot detach from it.
24:13
Nicole Laino: And that's not anybody's fault, necessarily.
24:17
Nicole Laino: These are energetics at.
24:20
Nicole Laino: At play.
24:21
Nicole Laino: But is it our responsibility to be responsible for ourselves?
24:24
Nicole Laino: And that's what human design can do.
24:25
Nicole Laino: It can put you back in the driver's seat of your own life.
24:30
Nicole Laino: So it doesn't have to be the MAGA movement.
24:32
Nicole Laino: It could be any movement.
24:33
Nicole Laino: It could be the liberal movement, whatever.
24:35
Nicole Laino: To be able to truly stand there as yourself and as we go into the cross of the sleeping Phoenix, where individuality is going to rule.
24:44
Nicole Laino: Where suddenly, like these systems that were saving us, those systems that crumble, that have safeguards, we're seeing it already.
24:52
Nicole Laino: Laws are being walked on systems that were supposed to keep us safe, not work.
24:58
Nicole Laino: We can go to war without getting approval.
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Nicole Laino: All of these things, right?
25:02
Nicole Laino: The individual is going to have to look out for themselves.
25:05
Nicole Laino: Well, then you better not be caught up unconsciously in these energy dynamics.
25:11
Nicole Laino: Right?
25:12
Nicole Laino: It should be choices.
25:13
Nicole Laino: If you follow something, it should be your choice.
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Nicole Laino: It shouldn't because somebody position themselves at the head of a movement that you've gotten caught up in.
25:22
Nicole Laino: It does not mean that because you got swept up in the current that you cannot swim to shore and walk your own path.
25:31
Nicole Laino: That's what human design allows you to do.
25:33
Nicole Laino: Whatever that is, I'm not passing judgment, but whatever you feel like you maybe are unconsciously a part of human design is what can bring you back to making conscious choices for yourself.
25:45
Nicole Laino: Okay, I think we've talked enough about this stuff.
25:47
Nicole Laino: I hope that you found this interesting.
25:49
Nicole Laino: I hope that this like you look around and you start to see the dynamics within your family, about how the penta functions.
25:57
Nicole Laino: How when you go to work, maybe you are on a team.
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Nicole Laino: How does that function?
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Nicole Laino: Can you look at group dynamics and see them without judging them?
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Nicole Laino: Just look at them and just observe it.
26:09
Nicole Laino: Because that's really what this is about.
26:10
Nicole Laino: And I hope that comes across.
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Nicole Laino: It's not about judging.
26:14
Nicole Laino: It's about looking at them and just seeing the dynamic at play and being aware of it.
26:19
Nicole Laino: It all starts with awareness.
26:20
Nicole Laino: And then when you become aware of it, then you can start to become aware of if you're in it.
26:25
Nicole Laino: This is how we break the spell.
26:27
Nicole Laino: This is how we come out of the program.
26:29
Nicole Laino: Because this is what Ra always talked about.
26:32
Nicole Laino: Energy dynamics are core to the program.
26:35
Nicole Laino: We're all in the program.
26:36
Nicole Laino: We're in the program of the transits.
26:38
Nicole Laino: So we're all under that.
26:40
Nicole Laino: We're in the program of our conditioning.
26:42
Nicole Laino: We're in the program of these group energy dynamics.
26:45
Nicole Laino: We're in the program of our family.
26:47
Nicole Laino: So when you moved out of your family's house, you probably felt very different.
26:49
Nicole Laino: You probably felt a big shift because you weren't constantly put into this same group dynamic over and over again.
26:57
Nicole Laino: And the penta can tell you where was this family, maybe off balance, where was.
27:02
Nicole Laino: There may be something that was not causing them to move forward in harmony.
27:08
Nicole Laino: There can be pieces missing from a penta.
27:11
Nicole Laino: And when they're missing, it leaves the penta not functioning as it should.
27:16
Nicole Laino: And it can tell you something about why a family struggles and why they struggle in a certain way.
27:21
Nicole Laino: And then you can see the wa dynamics and you can see maybe where you've gotten swept up in things before.
27:27
Nicole Laino: Notice when you go to a big group event and you're there, how you feel.
27:31
Nicole Laino: I'm going to a retreat very soon and when I go to the retreat, there's going to be pentas and I don't know how many people are going to be there.
27:39
Nicole Laino: Maybe it'll be a wah, I don't know.
27:40
Nicole Laino: But I'll go and I will start to.
27:42
Nicole Laino: I'm going to feel into that and I'm going to be conscious of it and I'll be me throughout all of it.
27:49
Nicole Laino: And it doesn't mean that I can't have fun within it.
27:51
Nicole Laino: It doesn't mean that I can't be part of the energy.
27:54
Nicole Laino: It's just my choice.
27:55
Nicole Laino: It'll be my choice.
27:56
Nicole Laino: I'm not going to be just swept up in it and turned whichever way the leader of that particular group wants to turn the attention in the heads of people.
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Nicole Laino: Okay, so I hope you enjoyed this.
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Nicole Laino: I hope this was interesting for you.
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