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How One College Kid Scammed the Mexican Cartel · Under the Docs

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Speaker 1: He just blows through all like like three million dollars,
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Speaker 6: we actually got to a docuseries, Cocaine Quarterback Signal Caller
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Speaker 6: of the Cartel, a twenty twenty five film directed by
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Speaker 6: Jody mcveay Schultz, platformed on Prime Video release September twenty fifth,
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Speaker 6: twenty twenty five. Voice of Personalities in this interviews, this
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Speaker 6: one's a like fun one. I think if you love sports,
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Speaker 6: it's football season. You're a Super Bowl season, right, you
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Speaker 6: might enjoy this. And also you true crime lovers. I
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Speaker 6: think there's a lot involved. It's a guy that played
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Speaker 6: for the Trojans USC that somehow got involved with the cartels.
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Speaker 2: Yeah too too. We're bringing some kilos up the Burn Canal.
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Speaker 3: Plotting the course.
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Speaker 6: Cocaine quarterback follows Owen Hanson, a Rodondo Beach native and
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Speaker 6: a USC walk on.
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Speaker 3: So Owen it's.
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Speaker 6: Interesting enough because he's not really a football player. So
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Speaker 6: going in you might go if you don't know anything
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Speaker 6: about football, because I was. I know pretty much a
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Speaker 6: lot about football, but me not the most of anybody
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Speaker 6: or anything. But I know about that those USC teams,
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Speaker 6: I know people that played on it. I did not
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Speaker 6: know who Owen is. Owen is not someone that I
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Speaker 6: was standing out where You're like, oh man, he was
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Speaker 6: about to be drafted, he went to the NFL, none
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Speaker 6: of that. So when you get to the story, you're like,
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Speaker 6: at first I hear cour Kane quarterback, and I'm like,
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Speaker 6: oh my god, Like I'm thinking of these high profile people.
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Speaker 6: I'm like what, I'm like, something I never heard of?
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Speaker 6: And then if to find out it's about this kid
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Speaker 6: that I actually started as a volleyball player, right, and
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Speaker 6: he walked on to the USC football team, which means
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Speaker 6: that he got a tryout, didn't have a scholarship, and
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Speaker 6: then they boosted him on the team. He got a
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Speaker 6: scholarship for volleyball. But what happened was that Owen went
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Speaker 6: to college man he dominating high school. It happens a
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Speaker 6: lot to people, like they dominated high school, they go
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Speaker 6: to college, and then everybody's either just as good as
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Speaker 6: them or better. So I think the competition really pushed him.
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Speaker 6: And then he got the opportunity because he started lifting
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Speaker 6: weights and when he got out of volleyball, he got
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Speaker 6: into steroids, and that's really where the story begins because
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Speaker 6: he started shooting up steroids, getting super big because he's like,
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Speaker 6: I gotta make this team because his volleyball coach showed him, hey, bro,
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Speaker 6: you're about to lose your scholarship. You're not gonna make
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Speaker 6: the team. You're not cutting it. So he's just buking up,
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Speaker 6: and in that process of boking up, one of the
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Speaker 6: football coaches is like, dang, bro, you're pretty big.
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Speaker 3: He's like, you wanta try out for football? Boom, he
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Speaker 3: walks onto the USC football team, the.
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Speaker 2: Only person that was able to do that.
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Speaker 1: According to this documentary, where I guess it was an
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Speaker 1: open call for anyone that hadn't already been kind of scouted,
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Speaker 1: and he's the only person that walked away with that. Now,
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Speaker 1: I guess spoiler alert, right, it just spoiled the title
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Speaker 1: of this movie. That's where it starts and ends, is
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Speaker 1: that tiny little introduction that he gets to be a
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Speaker 1: walk on onto the USC football team. Other than that,
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Speaker 1: there's no quarterbacking going on. This dude sits on the
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Speaker 1: bench for the entire time essentially, right, So there's not like.
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Speaker 2: The cocaine quarterback.
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Speaker 1: I guess it didn't have the same ring as the
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Speaker 1: cocaine volleyball guy that ended up just selling steroids to
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Speaker 1: the rest of the players.
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Speaker 6: And I don't even think he was a quarterback. He
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Speaker 6: was number eighty. I'm pretty sure he was a wide receiver. Like,
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Speaker 6: it wasn't even the same position.
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Speaker 2: Okay, we got baited by the title a little bit.
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Speaker 6: That's a little bit because I was really in on
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Speaker 6: the title and then I see it was USC and
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Speaker 6: I'm like, oh wow. And then I see like, oh,
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Speaker 6: two thousand and four to two thousand and five, They're
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Speaker 6: like they're a run and they already had like some
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Speaker 6: controversts behind.
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Speaker 3: It, and I'm like, whoa who was pushing weight?
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Speaker 6: Then I'm like, oh, it's this guy Owen Hanson who's
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Speaker 6: like never played.
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Speaker 3: They even said at a moment when they're in.
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Speaker 6: The National championship game, they called his number, but he
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Speaker 6: was too busy like celebrating and partying with the guys
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Speaker 6: that they didn't even put him in. So his only
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Speaker 6: chance to play, he uh squandered away by like celebrating.
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't think that he's losing any sleep
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Speaker 1: over that though, either. I think that there was probably
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Speaker 1: an understanding that he wasn't going to be a star
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Speaker 1: on the team, but he could definitely be a star
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Speaker 1: off the field, and he ends up being everyone's go to, right,
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Speaker 1: He's the plug for everybody on the team, everyone high up,
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Speaker 1: so you can get everyone under that as well. And
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Speaker 1: maybe another little bit of clickbait in the not in
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Speaker 1: US but in the documentary title don't blame us for it,
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Speaker 1: but the cocaine quarterback. Uh yeah, I guess there was
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Speaker 1: like a little bit of cocaine going on. There was
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Speaker 1: like the Australia thing, but it sounds like a huge
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Speaker 1: majority of what he was ultimately doing was just laundering
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Speaker 1: money for the cartel, ultimately through gambling. I think that
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Speaker 1: was if you had to draw it out on a
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Speaker 1: pie chart, it seems like that took the biggest piece
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Speaker 1: of the pie, was him becoming a money launderer for
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Speaker 1: the actual Mexican cartel.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that is actually what he mainly did, and I
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Speaker 6: think that's even probably what he got charged with. They
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Speaker 6: don't like go into detail about his charges. They kind
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Speaker 6: of like briefly tell you. But one thing I did
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Speaker 6: think was interesting is that they interviewed a lot of
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Speaker 6: like former players and people that were involved, which I
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Speaker 6: found to be kind of little nuggets because I was like, dang, man,
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Speaker 6: Like this guy's like, yeah, you know, he told me
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Speaker 6: to pull up and I had all the bricks in
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Speaker 6: the back and I'm like, and I'm like, whoa bro,
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Speaker 6: Like you must as signed something or I think some
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Speaker 6: of them they alluded to that they did their time already,
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Speaker 6: and then I started as the series goes, you're like, oh,
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Speaker 6: but in the beginning, I'm like, hey man, you probably
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Speaker 6: shouldn't be talking about this, But then you come to
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Speaker 6: find out I think that they all serve their time
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Speaker 6: already been set entence on that situation, so I think
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Speaker 6: that's why they speak about it.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, you're right. It started with steroids and he
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Speaker 3: was just providing for the whole team.
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Speaker 6: And what he came they kind of like allude to
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Speaker 6: is that when he was younger, his mom and dad
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Speaker 6: split up and the mom and the sister took off,
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Speaker 6: and then he.
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Speaker 3: Had this void and then he filled it with volleyball.
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Speaker 6: So I do think that this is an important story
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Speaker 6: in that aspect, is like that volleyball sense, like he
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Speaker 6: lost dad and that's the only thing he had as
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Speaker 6: a void, and he did what a lot of people
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Speaker 6: do at that young age. He's like, oh, I find something,
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Speaker 6: and now people like me, well, I'm the guy that
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Speaker 6: could get you whatever you want. Oh man, you have
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Speaker 6: a bad hamstring. Don't worry, bro, I'll get you this.
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Speaker 6: You'll be able to play in the game.
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean. You're flunking your grades.
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Speaker 6: They don't allude to this as much, but I could
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Speaker 6: tell he was the man on campus that could get
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Speaker 6: stuff done. He was willing and dealing with whatever. It
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Speaker 6: may have been, mainly steroids with all the athletes, but
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Speaker 6: you know, healing and he knew about it too, like
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Speaker 6: he almost had like a little degree. I give the
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Speaker 6: guy props. He is a businessman. You could tell the
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Speaker 6: way he's talking throughout the film. But as he gets
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Speaker 6: onto that, you know, they they talk about how he's
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Speaker 6: partying with all these all these guys. I think it's
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Speaker 6: like nine or ten of them go to the NFL
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Speaker 6: or something right in the span it two.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, celebrities, huge sports players. Like he's partying with all
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Speaker 1: these different guys. And let's let's not pretend too that
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Speaker 1: it's all about him trying to find some purpose in life, like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm helping, you know, I found my niche He at
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Speaker 1: one point also directly says it, and it doesn't hurt
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Speaker 1: to have millions, like making millions of dollars a day
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Speaker 1: and being able to fly on private jets and just
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Speaker 1: surrounded by women. Like it wasn't as much about I
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Speaker 1: just got to find my place in this crazy world,
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Speaker 1: you know. It was more like, man, I'd really like
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Speaker 1: to make a million dollars today.
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Speaker 6: I think the guy that put this together, you know
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Speaker 6: that some of the reporter that that that's gotten close
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Speaker 6: with him, and he's a good smooth talker and I
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Speaker 6: think he's convinced him because they put that in there
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Speaker 6: on purpose of like, you know, his mom and I'm
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Speaker 6: with you, cause he's just like, woolet's go on yeah
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Speaker 6: to the party, just like let's have a good time.
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Speaker 6: And he's like, oh, you know what, I'm just saying,
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Speaker 6: I got lost, I was missing my mom. I'm like,
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Speaker 6: I don't know about that, bro.
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Speaker 1: Maybe few there was a few times that he even
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Speaker 1: is very self aware and he's like, yeah, you know,
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Speaker 1: my girl was coming at me like, hey, you should
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Speaker 1: give all this up. Let's settle down. You can't do
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Speaker 1: this forever. And he was like, no, I just wanted
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Speaker 1: to make more money. So it's not like it never
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Speaker 1: crossed his mind. He just wanted to go full speed ahead.
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Speaker 1: And he didn't take any of the warning signs or
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Speaker 1: advice from anyone around him the whole time. So he
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Speaker 1: basically led to the final conclusion, right, was it death
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Speaker 1: or jail? So he got jail because we get interviewed
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Speaker 1: with him as he's still in orange.
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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, he's still locked up. We're getting interview of it.
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Speaker 6: And I thought that, like what happened was so he
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Speaker 6: just was at the right place at the right time
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Speaker 6: and had the right connections.
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Speaker 3: That's what happened. He just fell into this little groove
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Speaker 3: and he was and he was loving it. He was
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Speaker 3: the man.
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Speaker 6: He was able to get money, and he's in college,
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Speaker 6: his party and having a great time. Well guess what
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Speaker 6: college ends. And then he's like, ah, man, what am
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Speaker 6: I gonna do? And he knew that he can hustle.
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Speaker 6: So what he did was he kept pushing and pushing,
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Speaker 6: and he got connected with the Sinelo cartel.
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Speaker 3: Allegedly again we don't know how.
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Speaker 6: I mean, from what the charges are, I'm pretty sure
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Speaker 6: it was someone high up, because you don't just go
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Speaker 6: to a country like Australia and start pushing weight without
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Speaker 6: one of these big organizations to know.
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Speaker 3: But that's where it kind of takes a turn for me,
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Speaker 3: Like I didn't expect.
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Speaker 6: I'm thinking the whole time that it's gonna be him
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Speaker 6: selling coke to the players. The players pretty much it
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Speaker 6: was all steroids, Like, yeah, he got them drugs and parties,
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Speaker 6: stuff and supplies, but it seemed like steroids and stuff
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Speaker 6: to heal up to keep playing the game was really
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Speaker 6: his avenue.
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Speaker 3: And then he just stumbled upon this whole brick stuff.
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Speaker 6: He goes across the border and one of his buddies
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Speaker 6: is like, yeah, this the HOMIEO just wants us to
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Speaker 6: bring some you know, coke back. And that's where he
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Speaker 6: gets his first rush. So you really start to see
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Speaker 6: like he liked it, he got the rush out of it.
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Speaker 3: He saw the easy money. That's where his real origin
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Speaker 3: story starts, right. It's the others.
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Speaker 1: He talks about how that was the moment that he
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Speaker 1: just realized he made as much in one day as
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Speaker 1: most people will work over a year to get. And
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Speaker 1: he was like, man, and so the rush that is
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Speaker 1: so easy. He's even as he's recounting this very first one,
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Speaker 1: he's like, oh, goose pimples, look, you know. So he's
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Speaker 1: he's still there. You get, I get the feeling every
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Speaker 1: time we talk to this guy. The second he gets
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Speaker 1: out of jail, he's like, give me my next key,
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Speaker 1: Like I'm ready for the next one.
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Speaker 3: And so this guy tries all kinds of this different
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Speaker 3: avenues to get money.
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Speaker 6: He has a gambling side, he has a you know,
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Speaker 6: trying to sell whatever he can to back to athletes.
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Speaker 6: He's getting his connections back over now the people he
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Speaker 6: knows are even have more money or are now in
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Speaker 6: the NFL like they have more fame, they have more
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Speaker 6: of a network that he can tap into, and he does,
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Speaker 6: and that's how he gets dragged in with the cartel
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Speaker 6: and starts pushing weight in Australia. Well, really, like you said,
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Speaker 6: they made it seem at first, what he's doing is
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Speaker 6: he's getting the big supply and he's networking a deal
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Speaker 6: and he's taking the money and then washing it. He's
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Speaker 6: not like out there Nickel and Diamond. No, he's just
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Speaker 6: getting bulk sale to like a high up.
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Speaker 3: Guy where I think they just knew he was a
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Speaker 3: good talker.
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Speaker 6: I think that they encountered each other because I don't
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Speaker 6: think the way they met is exactly true, because I'm like,
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Speaker 6: you're not gonna be like, yeah, you're in jail bro
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Speaker 6: in California.
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if he was in jail in California
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Speaker 3: or Australia.
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Speaker 6: They didn't allude to that, but I'm not sure because
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Speaker 6: they did say he was arrested and then remember he
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Speaker 6: was extra righted to Australia. But he kind of like
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Speaker 6: managed this drug route and washed the money for the cartel.
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Speaker 6: So he was trying to find ways to get him.
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Speaker 6: He's like, there's more and more money. I don't know
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Speaker 6: how to wash it all.
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Speaker 3: At first he's selling cutting open ugg boots and putting
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Speaker 3: him in ug boots and sending them. They're like this
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Speaker 3: is not enough.
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Speaker 6: Well, then he meets a guy name Robin Hood seven
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Speaker 6: oh two, and Robin Hood seven oh two is supposedly
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Speaker 6: this gambler that goes to the Vegas seven oh two
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Speaker 6: for the aerial code of Las Vegas and he just
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Speaker 6: like wins a bunch of money, takes the becauseino's money
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Speaker 6: and gives it to the poor, right, like that's this
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Speaker 6: whole thing. They had news interviews with him, little segments
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Speaker 6: where they're like looking and giving the money.
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Speaker 3: It was it was actually a thing.
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Speaker 6: So he gets this bright idea like, oh that's how
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Speaker 6: long of the money he gets in contact with this guy,
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Speaker 6: everything seems to work out well. He goes the first
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Speaker 6: time launder's like one point five million. The way that
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Speaker 6: they did it was he would go to the Australian casino.
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Speaker 6: He would go gamble, he would go back and forth,
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Speaker 6: lose win, lose win, and then as soon as like
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Speaker 6: he's like I'm good, he would take that money cash out,
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Speaker 6: fly back to Vegas and then boom, there's the money.
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Speaker 6: First time works like a charm, no problem, no hitches.
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Speaker 6: Now the second time that this is where it gets interesting.
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Speaker 6: And I do like this aspect of the documentary where
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Speaker 6: you do hear both sides, like you hear both people
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Speaker 6: because they also interview this Robinhood seven h two while
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Speaker 6: they're talking to Owen, so they you hear the contrast
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Speaker 6: of stories. If you talk to Owen, he's like, yeah,
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Speaker 6: look man, we're gonna do it again. We're gonna do two.
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Speaker 3: Point five million, and he flies back to Australia.
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Speaker 6: I bring in the suitcases and you know, everything was good,
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Speaker 6: and he's like, Nah, this guy's just a degenerate.
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Speaker 3: He just gambled away my money. He owes me money now.
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Speaker 6: Robin Hood seven ZHO two claims it was not like that.
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Speaker 6: He's like, he brought me two suitcases full of money.
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Speaker 6: They were wrapped up in taran wrap. They smelled like
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Speaker 6: drug money. Like I think he got shook and supposedly
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Speaker 6: he didn't want to do it, and Owen in his entourage,
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Speaker 6: another guy with him kind of threatened him to do this.
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Speaker 1: I'm still trying to understand how the laundering aspect of
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Speaker 1: this works. How do you take a million dollars of
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Speaker 1: cartel drug money and give that to a gambler who
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Speaker 1: gives his proceeds away to poor people? I just like,
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Speaker 1: how how does that launder the actual money? Is it
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Speaker 1: just the exchange sterial numbers, or like, how does his work?
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Speaker 6: The aspect of him giving away had nothing thing to
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Speaker 6: do with They just brought that into it because that's
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Speaker 6: how he got publicized.
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Speaker 3: But his deal with Owen had nothing to do.
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Speaker 6: All he was doing was he was going to the casino,
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Speaker 6: putting the money and getting chips and playing for a
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Speaker 6: little bit, cashing in the chips and taking that money
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Speaker 6: that he got from the chips straight back to the States,
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Speaker 6: back to Vegas and giving him that there was no
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Speaker 6: money going to get exchanged. Maybe eventually they would do
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Speaker 6: like a little fifty thousand, Like they didn't ever go
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Speaker 6: into detail of it, but my understanding is that he
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Speaker 6: would just literally cash in the chips and give him
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Speaker 6: that suitcase full of money.
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Speaker 1: But they know, but the fact though this Robin Hood
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Speaker 1: guy was taking cartel money and laundering it, like, there's
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Speaker 1: no other way to interpret any of that.
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Speaker 4: And his.
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Speaker 1: I guess defense in this is that he didn't know
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Speaker 1: that that's what was happening. He had an idea that
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Speaker 1: it wasn't coming from a great place. I still don't
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Speaker 1: get it, though, because the laundering money aspect is basically
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Speaker 1: not saying, hey, explain where this dollar came from and independently,
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Speaker 1: but it's like, hey, where did that million dollars come from? Well,
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Speaker 1: now you're just offsetting that burden onto this gambler guy.
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Speaker 1: So now someone investigating the money is going to go
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Speaker 1: to him first and say, hey, where did this million
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Speaker 1: dollars come from?
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Speaker 2: Well?
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Speaker 6: And I think the whole reason they picked him is
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Speaker 6: because he's high profiled and he's got all these like
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Speaker 6: news stories about him where they're like, no, this is
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Speaker 6: what he does, so he can play that off. I
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Speaker 6: think that was the ass avenue they were going. I
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Speaker 6: think Robinhood seven or two knew more than he says.
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Speaker 6: I don't think he knew every detail. But what happen
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Speaker 6: is he either got spooked, he got pissed, didn't like Owen,
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Speaker 6: whatever it may be. You can't fully tell, but they
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Speaker 6: do show a footage of him gambling, and he was
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Speaker 6: gambling heavy like.
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Speaker 3: They were saying sixty thousand dollars of fucking a bet,
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Speaker 3: and he.
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Speaker 1: Had the entire table, so every single one is a
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Speaker 1: sixty thousand dollars bet.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, one hundred and eighty, one hundred and eighty thousand
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Speaker 6: per time they're slapping on this black, I'm like, what
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Speaker 6: the hell? Like, So, I don't know why he would
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Speaker 6: want to lose that or if he thought he was
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Speaker 6: gonna They try to like push you in the direction
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Speaker 6: of like, oh, well, he was trying to double his
17:07
Speaker 6: money quick. It looks like so he could just get
17:09
Speaker 6: out of there, And I'm like, I don't know, man,
17:11
Speaker 6: Like I don't know what happened between him and Owen.
17:13
Speaker 6: I don't know if it was a personal thing, because
17:15
Speaker 6: after that it seemed personal because they both went at
17:18
Speaker 6: each other.
17:18
Speaker 3: Then it kind of like.
17:19
Speaker 6: Moves where because even that guy owns like, yeah, this
17:22
Speaker 6: is all because of Robinhood. You're like, no, bro, I mean, yeah,
17:24
Speaker 6: that aspect sucked about it, but you made a lot
17:26
Speaker 6: of bad choices because even later on it shows you
17:30
Speaker 6: like past the Robinhood thing, because now Owen owes this
17:33
Speaker 6: debt to the cartel and they're like, we own you.
17:36
Speaker 6: He supposedly goes with the cartel, talks to the guy.
17:39
Speaker 6: They kind of smoothed it over. He's like, you work
17:41
Speaker 6: for me, and you pay me off. Then he's paying
17:42
Speaker 6: them off and he's making he paid him off and
17:45
Speaker 6: he's making millions of dollars. He has a hot chick
17:47
Speaker 6: that's a single mom, and he's taking care of the
17:50
Speaker 6: kid and he's doing all this.
17:51
Speaker 3: Thing and he's like, maybe I should be a family
17:52
Speaker 3: man to what you alluded to.
17:54
Speaker 6: He builds his dad like this penthouse in the middle
17:58
Speaker 6: like the rest of the neighborhood's regular how and he
18:00
Speaker 6: has this like future penthouse pimp with like looks like
18:04
Speaker 6: a drug house.
18:05
Speaker 3: Like it's totally obvious.
18:07
Speaker 6: And he's making good money and he's considering should I
18:10
Speaker 6: leave this lifestyle and just go with a.
18:12
Speaker 2: Few things about him for maybe like five seconds.
18:15
Speaker 6: Seconds and goes back to it. And the funny part
18:19
Speaker 6: is that he's blaming robbing him for this. But then
18:22
Speaker 6: he gets caught up for his own dumb self, like
18:24
Speaker 6: he was already making too much money.
18:26
Speaker 3: Something got shut.
18:27
Speaker 6: Down in his pipeline on it and he he couldn't
18:30
Speaker 6: do anything about it, try to get a new dealer,
18:31
Speaker 6: and it actually was a FED and then like the
18:34
Speaker 6: Cartel's like, hey, dummy, you just like seld to a FED.
18:37
Speaker 3: And then not only does he like.
18:41
Speaker 6: Not know what's a fed, he meets up with him anyways,
18:43
Speaker 6: even though the cartel warns him. He goes to the clubhouse,
18:47
Speaker 6: which is a golf course or whatever where they're gonna
18:49
Speaker 6: go play golf, and he shows up to like twenty
18:52
Speaker 6: FBI agents like ah, we got you, and he thinking
18:55
Speaker 6: the whole time he's doing bumps of coke and he's like,
18:57
Speaker 6: I don't know, man, am I tripping? Are they going
18:59
Speaker 6: to be They're not going to be there, they say,
19:02
Speaker 6: And then he just sets himself up. But then he
19:04
Speaker 6: has the goal to be like, ah that Robin Hood's
19:06
Speaker 6: seven oh two.
19:08
Speaker 1: I think it's it's funny too, because this guy did
19:11
Speaker 1: the impossible. He was he was in debt to the
19:15
Speaker 1: cartel for like three point two million dollars at the
19:18
Speaker 1: result of trying to launder money through Robin Hood, and
19:22
Speaker 1: since Robin Hood, however, it ended up happening, we got
19:25
Speaker 1: it on camera. But he just blows through all like
19:29
Speaker 1: like three million dollars just like that, like faster than
19:32
Speaker 1: you can even see, just like b man, bad man,
19:33
Speaker 1: man man, I'm gone, like I can't. I've never seen
19:36
Speaker 1: money fly away so fast that it was faster than
19:38
Speaker 1: burning it, right, like literally burning it.
19:40
Speaker 2: But he loses this.
19:42
Speaker 1: Money, so now you've got the cocaine quarterback is on
19:45
Speaker 1: the hook for three point two million, and first he's
19:48
Speaker 1: like dodging the cartel, but eventually he realizes that this
19:52
Speaker 1: is going to be the rest of his life. So
19:53
Speaker 1: he meets with the cartel and they make a deal
19:55
Speaker 1: that he's going to pay him back four million even
19:59
Speaker 1: in to make up for the three point two that
20:02
Speaker 1: he lost, plus like here's another seven hundred k or
20:05
Speaker 1: eight hundred k to not kill me, right, So he
20:08
Speaker 1: actually pulls it off. He's able to make the four
20:11
Speaker 1: million dollars. He's it back to the cartel and that's
20:14
Speaker 1: when they're like, all right, like what are you gonna
20:16
Speaker 1: do now? You know what's the next step? And his
20:20
Speaker 1: connect where he was trying to make money on the
20:22
Speaker 1: side by running cocaine through Australia, which was an extension
20:26
Speaker 1: of what he had started with the cartel. But it
20:28
Speaker 1: sounds like he kind of went rogue a little bit, right,
20:30
Speaker 1: like he started doing his own thing.
20:31
Speaker 2: On the side on this.
20:33
Speaker 1: Surprisingly, the cartel didn't say like, no, you can't do that.
20:36
Speaker 1: They just said, hey, you're an idiot and we know
20:39
Speaker 1: what we're doing. You don't know what you're doing, so
20:41
Speaker 1: don't get yourself in trouble. And he's like, no, I
20:43
Speaker 1: got this, bro.
20:44
Speaker 2: So yeah, he meets Hump with FEDS immediately first deal
20:48
Speaker 2: when he's flying solo and he gets wrapped up in
20:51
Speaker 2: it and he blames the robin Hood guy for this,
20:53
Speaker 2: but really he had already dug himself out of that
20:57
Speaker 2: robin Hood sized hole.
20:58
Speaker 1: It was done right. He never had to deal with
21:00
Speaker 1: this guy again. And then he screws up his life.
21:03
Speaker 1: So it is a little bit wild that he keeps
21:05
Speaker 1: going back to this Robinhood guy. And the robin Hood
21:07
Speaker 1: guy is like loving it. He loves the attention.
21:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's so happy that, like he's like, yeah,
21:12
Speaker 3: got it. He's playing into it too.
21:14
Speaker 6: I don't think how much he played into it, Like
21:16
Speaker 6: supposedly he's the one that went to the FBI. I
21:19
Speaker 6: think they kind of probably snatched him up and like, hey,
21:22
Speaker 6: what's going on here? Because I'm with you. They've they've
21:24
Speaker 6: obviously flagged are like that's a lot of money. I
21:26
Speaker 6: get it that you why'd you go to Australia, Like
21:29
Speaker 6: there's not this star studed event like oh we got
21:31
Speaker 6: Robin Hood seven oh two over here. You just took
21:33
Speaker 6: a million dollars to Australia and then like they can
21:37
Speaker 6: be like you didn't bring the money with you. It's
21:39
Speaker 6: just a lot of aspects that's kind of weird, right,
21:42
Speaker 6: Like I think he was already being questioned by the
21:44
Speaker 6: FBI and then he's like maybe that's why he wasted
21:46
Speaker 6: all the money because they wanted it to get you know,
21:49
Speaker 6: like a little crazier. Because the fact that's the thing
21:51
Speaker 6: that people don't know when you are helping the FBI
21:54
Speaker 6: or the cops out, like you are still in danger bro,
21:56
Speaker 6: Like they're they're making you do stuff that could get
21:59
Speaker 6: you killed because they're like, yeah, I would need more evidence,
22:01
Speaker 6: like you know what I mean, hey bro, this uh
22:03
Speaker 6: yeah bodyguard.
22:04
Speaker 2: They don't have snipers like covering you on your little missions. There.
22:08
Speaker 1: There's plenty examples where the FPI would just get somebody
22:11
Speaker 1: killed and just be.
22:12
Speaker 3: Like oh oh well yeah ah, They're like sayde we
22:15
Speaker 3: got another guy.
22:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna need another Timmy.
22:19
Speaker 6: And then so they kind of unfold of that. He
22:22
Speaker 6: gets busted, he does time. Then this is where it's
22:26
Speaker 6: interesting because he gets I think, like it's like they say,
22:30
Speaker 6: like two hundred some months.
22:31
Speaker 3: I hate when they say it in the months too.
22:32
Speaker 6: Man didn't have to do the math of like how
22:34
Speaker 6: many years is that, but it's like thirty forty years
22:36
Speaker 6: or something like that, right, like that they give him
22:38
Speaker 6: the time for because they get That's where it's interesting
22:40
Speaker 6: because they don't just say about the cocaine. They're talking
22:43
Speaker 6: about the gambling side. They kind of got him on
22:45
Speaker 6: a rico hit. So I think he was doing like
22:48
Speaker 6: you said, multiple things and then he got pinched by
22:51
Speaker 6: the cartel because he got into deep. Then he figured
22:54
Speaker 6: his way out and then he's like, oh, I'm gonna
22:56
Speaker 6: just map on my own plan and watch, we're gonna
22:58
Speaker 6: make millions ourselves, and like he didn't know what he
23:01
Speaker 6: was doing, got caught up, and then he gets extradited
23:04
Speaker 6: to Australia at some point and then to uh, oh,
23:08
Speaker 6: that's right, he wasn't California because he got extra driighted
23:11
Speaker 6: to the court case to one of the lawyers in
23:16
Speaker 6: Australia with the Mexican with the Australian mob people or gangsters,
23:21
Speaker 6: which was interesting because you don't always think that the
23:23
Speaker 6: Aussies as some real game bag.
23:25
Speaker 2: That was literally what they are, right. It was a
23:27
Speaker 2: prison colony.
23:28
Speaker 3: That's it how it started.
23:29
Speaker 6: So no surprise here they're they're still live and well
23:33
Speaker 6: in the crime factory and uh he goes and actually
23:36
Speaker 6: rats on the lawyer. So I was like, if he's
23:39
Speaker 6: messing with the cartels and it's you're not supposed to tell?
23:42
Speaker 6: Are they like okay with it because they're Australian Like
23:45
Speaker 6: that's the part I was kind of like, or maybe
23:46
Speaker 6: he's in protective custody, but then they massively take away.
23:51
Speaker 6: He had to rat out a lot of people because
23:53
Speaker 6: they go from like that then he's out. Now it
23:56
Speaker 6: goes from like I'm getting out until I'm older. Dad's like, man,
23:59
Speaker 6: I might never see I'm just open on my line.
24:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you make it seem the way that he's
24:03
Speaker 1: describing it's like, oh and now I'm out. Man, I
24:06
Speaker 1: never thought this was gonna happen. It's a miracle. It's
24:08
Speaker 1: a Christmas miracle. And like Sanna came into the courtroom,
24:11
Speaker 1: like they just kind of gloss over all that. So, uh,
24:14
Speaker 1: he he's out now, who knows how he got out?
24:17
Speaker 1: I feel like he doesn't make this impression that he's
24:22
Speaker 1: good at tempering whatever his moves are, right, Like, multiple
24:25
Speaker 1: times it comes up with that he is he was
24:28
Speaker 1: in the clear, He's got the penthouse, he's got some
24:31
Speaker 1: cash reserves and all kinds of assets. But he wants
24:34
Speaker 1: to keep pressing his luck over and over again. So
24:37
Speaker 1: this was gonna happen no matter what timeline we were on, right, Yeah,
24:41
Speaker 1: just say.
24:41
Speaker 6: He got lucky at the right place, right time to
24:43
Speaker 6: get even more at a higher level. Right, he was
24:46
Speaker 6: doing this regardless, even the dad actually gets out of
24:49
Speaker 6: Joe says multiple times towards the ends, he's like, well,
24:52
Speaker 6: I just hope he doesn't go back to that lifestyle,
24:54
Speaker 6: Like he knows that he's probably gonna go back to it,
24:56
Speaker 6: because he's like he sees it.
24:57
Speaker 3: He's said it multiple times.
25:00
Speaker 1: And you even get that same idea that if he
25:03
Speaker 1: wasn't happy knowing that he could have made one hundred
25:06
Speaker 1: thousand dollars in a year and now he can't make
25:08
Speaker 1: it in a day anymore. But they show him going
25:11
Speaker 1: into a halfway house where he's got to sleep with
25:14
Speaker 1: twenty other dudes in a big, open air building. Right,
25:17
Speaker 1: So I guess the allure to going back to at
25:20
Speaker 1: least making more than nothing and sleeping with twenty guys
25:23
Speaker 1: as like a forty two year old adult, right. So yeah,
25:27
Speaker 1: I don't know what we should put some bets on this,
25:31
Speaker 1: bets on whether or not this guy falls back into
25:34
Speaker 1: like degenerate betting again.
25:42
Speaker 6: Hidden treasures and overboard moments I'll go with. I'll start
25:46
Speaker 6: first with my hidden treasures. I mean there's a few
25:49
Speaker 6: I thought them just going into detail of like how
25:52
Speaker 6: this intricate like cartel stuff works, I know, like kind
25:55
Speaker 6: of about it. I've seen a lot of documentaries, but
25:59
Speaker 6: I thought that interviews with all the people it was cool.
26:02
Speaker 6: Like again, at first, I'm thinking, like, wait a second, bro,
26:04
Speaker 6: you shouldn't be saying this right, Like you're kind of
26:06
Speaker 6: ratting still, like you're like, yeah, we were just messing
26:08
Speaker 6: with the card. So I didn't think that was okay.
26:10
Speaker 6: But maybe they liked some publicity.
26:12
Speaker 3: I don't know. I always just thought that was strange.
26:15
Speaker 6: But to hear their accounts, it kind of paints the
26:18
Speaker 6: story for real because instead of having it just oh Owenside,
26:22
Speaker 6: because there is a heavy dose of that, but at
26:23
Speaker 6: least you get it all.
26:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, Odall was a little crazy. Odall was trying to
26:28
Speaker 3: make money.
26:28
Speaker 6: Like, you get a better idea of who Owen really
26:31
Speaker 6: was through the people talking about him than just him.
26:34
Speaker 6: So I thought the hidden treasure was actually getting people
26:37
Speaker 6: to be in this film and not sugarcoat it and
26:40
Speaker 6: speak from their mind and you get a real full
26:43
Speaker 6: view of who Owen was.
26:46
Speaker 1: I think for me a hidden treasure is that there's
26:48
Speaker 1: a series called Locked Up Abroad that's basically this told
26:53
Speaker 1: over and over again.
26:54
Speaker 2: It's just all these.
26:54
Speaker 1: Different tourisms, usually like white people they caught up in
26:58
Speaker 1: like cartels, or of Australians, a lot of people going
27:01
Speaker 1: to London and a lot of people going back and
27:03
Speaker 1: forth in the Mexican border. But Locked Up Abroad is
27:06
Speaker 1: about this, and on this one we get a fine
27:09
Speaker 1: microscope view of here's exactly how it started, Here's how
27:13
Speaker 1: the person grew up, here's what I got into the
27:15
Speaker 1: position to begin with. And they even make a lot
27:18
Speaker 1: of really good references. Why would the cartel pick this
27:22
Speaker 1: random white kid from California beach that was playing volleyball.
27:28
Speaker 1: What do they care about this guy? And it was
27:30
Speaker 1: because his personality and his access. He had access to
27:33
Speaker 1: people that wanted to spend the money, and he just
27:36
Speaker 1: had this like hustler attitude. I guess he just really
27:39
Speaker 1: killed it on the interview and the resume looked good.
27:42
Speaker 1: That's kind of what it all came down to. That's
27:44
Speaker 1: why they went with this guy. So being able to
27:46
Speaker 1: see the full beginning starting end, like we were getting
27:50
Speaker 1: interviews with him in jail and then interviews with him
27:53
Speaker 1: as he gets out of jail against all odds and
27:56
Speaker 1: everyone else involved in the case. So's it's rare that
27:59
Speaker 1: you get that much insight because usually these documentaries are
28:02
Speaker 1: all done from the outside looking in, like archival footage.
28:06
Speaker 6: And I'll say a hitting Jim as well is that
28:08
Speaker 6: he's such a hustler that they show him in jail
28:11
Speaker 6: finding a new hustle where he's like making peanut butter
28:14
Speaker 6: ice cream in like a mop bucket and with ice
28:17
Speaker 6: and he's just hustling. And it was kind of like
28:20
Speaker 6: an homage like, Yeah, this guy's just a hustler, bro,
28:22
Speaker 6: Like he got caught up.
28:23
Speaker 3: He's trying to play this like, oh, I'm a good guy.
28:27
Speaker 6: Now. This is where it goes to an overboard moment
28:30
Speaker 6: because towards the end, I'm like, oh, this is just
28:32
Speaker 6: a PR stunt, like he's trying to do more stuff,
28:34
Speaker 6: because they literally end it with his spoiler alert with
28:37
Speaker 6: him out of jail and he just sits in a
28:39
Speaker 6: chair in a suit and he's like, Oh, I'm ready
28:41
Speaker 6: to go getting botoxed up. I'm like, Oh, this guy's
28:44
Speaker 6: going back to some kind of life. He may not
28:46
Speaker 6: go to the cartels, but he's going to do illegal stuff. Man,
28:50
Speaker 6: He's gonna do whatever it takes to get as much money.
28:52
Speaker 6: But I also think that isn't that business in general.
28:56
Speaker 6: Like I started being like, well, even though it's drugs
28:58
Speaker 6: that he's doing, he kind of would fit in at
29:00
Speaker 6: any hedge fund or he's cut through, like he's not
29:03
Speaker 6: like about the people. But then I just didn't like
29:06
Speaker 6: the whole where they're like he's throwing footballs and like
29:09
Speaker 6: you know, with kids and doing a youth camp. He's like, yeah, God,
29:11
Speaker 6: it's gotta be I'd be good man. Then I went
29:14
Speaker 6: to jail and he's talking to the kids, and like
29:16
Speaker 6: I was like, Oh, this little PR stunt is trying
29:18
Speaker 6: to get him.
29:19
Speaker 3: Boost he's on.
29:20
Speaker 6: Then I started thinking, he's using this film, this is
29:22
Speaker 6: my overboard moment to like boost his like stardom, so
29:26
Speaker 6: he can be part of one of these like foundations,
29:29
Speaker 6: so he can funnel money again.
29:30
Speaker 2: And I can't blame him for it though.
29:33
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the best opportunity that he's had
29:35
Speaker 1: up until the cartel was giving him millions of dollars, right,
29:39
Speaker 1: So I think the overboard for me is another reference
29:45
Speaker 1: to the banged up abroad or the locked up abroad,
29:48
Speaker 1: depending on what country you're in, But the locked up abroad.
29:52
Speaker 1: They could have told this story in forty five fifty
29:56
Speaker 1: minutes and kind of locked it in.
29:57
Speaker 2: This one was a three part series.
30:00
Speaker 1: It was just over two and a half hours or so,
30:02
Speaker 1: and I think there was definitely a significant amount of
30:05
Speaker 1: stretching going on, combined with the fact that you don't
30:10
Speaker 1: really hear about cocaine that much. It's mostly about gambling,
30:12
Speaker 1: and you definitely don't hear about anyone being a quarterback
30:15
Speaker 1: for like the entire movie, So that was a little
30:17
Speaker 1: bit overboard how they draw you in. And then it's
30:20
Speaker 1: this other story. Although the story itself has merit man.
30:23
Speaker 1: I feel that the actual scene when you imagine this,
30:29
Speaker 1: like California volleyball player Bro sitting down with the cartel like, yo,
30:34
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I lost over three million dollars.
30:37
Speaker 2: I'll pay it back.
30:37
Speaker 1: I got you, don't worry, and then actually letting him
30:40
Speaker 1: go and he survived that. This guy probably ran into
30:44
Speaker 1: to like death so many different times. And it also
30:47
Speaker 1: makes me think how many people get away with this?
30:50
Speaker 1: How many people actually make it to the point where
30:53
Speaker 1: they're like, you know what, I am going to take
30:55
Speaker 1: a step back. I got four million dollars saved up.
30:58
Speaker 1: Let me just go and live life a little bit
31:00
Speaker 1: and not keep playing this. There's gotta be at least
31:03
Speaker 1: a handful of the mouth there. So for every documentary
31:06
Speaker 1: that you see about someone that got caught up, I
31:09
Speaker 1: imagine there's probably like ten or twenty people that didn't
31:11
Speaker 1: get caught up.
31:17
Speaker 3: It's about that time sink or swim.
31:21
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give this one a sink. Not because I
31:24
Speaker 1: disliked it or anything. I thought it was entertaining. But again,
31:27
Speaker 1: it didn't need to be three episodes. It could have
31:29
Speaker 1: been one fifty minute made for TV kind of episode.
31:33
Speaker 1: And I think you would have gotten all the information
31:35
Speaker 1: that you get out of the tail end of this thing. Also,
31:38
Speaker 1: I don't know if it like rocked my worldview at all.
31:41
Speaker 1: I almost feel like it's the movie Blow a little bit,
31:44
Speaker 1: but like way more boring.
31:47
Speaker 6: I went back and forth debated, you know, like I
31:50
Speaker 6: like some nostalgic of it.
31:51
Speaker 3: It's a good story. I was entertained.
31:55
Speaker 6: I would suggest people to watch it, like it's something
31:57
Speaker 6: that you can watch with your girlfriend or with a
31:59
Speaker 6: couple of friends and it's entertaining, right, or something you
32:03
Speaker 6: just pop on after work. But I gotta give it
32:06
Speaker 6: a sink because it just doesn't really jump out. It's
32:09
Speaker 6: nothing after all these documentaries we've been watching, It's like, oh, okay,
32:13
Speaker 6: like you said, it could have been thirty minutes an
32:15
Speaker 6: episode of something instead of this like drug out, Like,
32:18
Speaker 6: oh my gosh, uh, he laundered money. It's nothing I've
32:22
Speaker 6: not heard of. It's not like something I'm like, what
32:24
Speaker 6: people actually launder money.
32:26
Speaker 3: But there's rug dealers, what people use their network to
32:30
Speaker 3: actually like sell drugs.
32:32
Speaker 6: This is crazy, Like he's not just some good sports
32:34
Speaker 6: guy that's like Jesus man, we're just out there. Give
32:37
Speaker 6: it one hundred and ten percent, Like, I know this exists,
32:40
Speaker 6: so I do give it a sinc but I do
32:42
Speaker 6: suggest people watch it.
32:44
Speaker 1: A good point too on that, with all with this
32:47
Speaker 1: series and all the different documentaries we've been watching, you
32:49
Speaker 1: hear a pitch line and a title, Yeah, Cocaine Quarterback.
32:53
Speaker 2: It's about this guy that ends up working for the
32:55
Speaker 2: cartel and laundering all this money. He's in jail, he
32:58
Speaker 2: gets out of jail.
32:59
Speaker 1: It sounds fascinating, right, And then you'll hear a pitch
33:02
Speaker 1: of like, yeah, there's this movie called Secret Mall Apartment.
33:05
Speaker 1: A bunch of teenagers break into them all and film it.
33:07
Speaker 1: Or yeah, there's this movie about a lady that you know,
33:10
Speaker 1: filmed the Olympics, some German lady that filmed the Olympics,
33:13
Speaker 1: And you go in and you're like, this is gonna
33:15
Speaker 1: be the biggest snorre fest ever. And those last two
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