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Jaguars Happy Hour: Monday, August 31 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Monday, August thirty one. This is Jack Wars.
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  Speaker 1: Jack Wars Happy Hour is presented by Jet Home Loans
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  Speaker 1: and now the real reason christ come to Sally need
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  Speaker 1: to work from home? Jay Peace, shaddrid first, don't hear
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  Speaker 1: anything Christos only and we have a program good to
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  Speaker 1: day for that the straight of you get dot pay.
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  Speaker 1: We'll go around the National Football League will answer some
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  Speaker 1: social questions. Man, do we have a lot to go
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  Speaker 1: over to day guys? Pete, good afternoon, but what's up?
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  Speaker 1: What's up? Fellas? Totally? I'm good Pete D talking today. Man,
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  Speaker 1: you're really are You're really into the show? I can
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  Speaker 1: tell you you. Are you upset about? Are you upset
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  Speaker 1: about Leonard leaving? I mean what's got the cat got
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  Speaker 1: the tongue? I mean what you are? Where am I listen?
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  Speaker 1: I'm all over the I'm worldwide. Baby? Where are you?
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  Speaker 1: You're in a car? I mean driving? I have a
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  Speaker 1: driver right now driving me from one function to another?
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  Speaker 1: Did you go to huh? Did you get let go too? Ay?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't get cut. I didn't get traded, even though
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  Speaker 1: you'd like me too. Because make your job easier is
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  Speaker 1: logg him in now on mondays with it since the
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  Speaker 1: Tony got traded. Yes, you didn't hear we traded logs
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  Speaker 1: for the case of gatoring. He's out. Wow, it's like
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  Speaker 1: the most extreme close up of Tony we've ever had.
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  Speaker 1: To me, it's incredible, it's amazing. He's in a car.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, are I'm driving. I'll be in front of
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  Speaker 1: my computer. I got I got running late and uh
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  Speaker 1: and so I said, you know what, I'm a pro.
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  Speaker 1: Just do it from the car. Now you'll see me.
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  Speaker 1: You'll see me walk in here pretty soon. This is
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  Speaker 1: like live This is real life. You know they talked
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  Speaker 1: about reality TV. That's not reality TV. This is reality TV.
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  Speaker 1: This is the day in the life of Tony Boselli.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody wants to kill down with a camera. Believe me,
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  Speaker 1: no way, what are you talking about that? Nobody wants
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  Speaker 1: to see your life. I'm getting my driver is filming
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  Speaker 1: me right now? Is it the same same driver that
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  Speaker 1: gave me the coffee a couple weeks ago? It's not
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  Speaker 1: the same driver gave me coffee? Is he? Is he
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  Speaker 1: also now your private Is he getting into your private
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  Speaker 1: plane to go somewhere too? Like? I wish you know
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  Speaker 1: what though? I wish the people are the people with
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  Speaker 1: just left in a private plane, not me. I'm going commercial,
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  Speaker 1: so you're actually in another city. It's basically yeah, wow,
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  Speaker 1: it's amazing. I'm amazing. All right, let's get into it. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: let's start off with the Leonard Burnette news this morning,
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  Speaker 1: waved by the Jaguars. Let's hear what Maron had to
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  Speaker 1: say about it. The reasoning behind waving and running really
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  Speaker 1: just trying to to to take the team and put
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  Speaker 1: the best team together for what we've seen in our practices. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the day, I just
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  Speaker 1: felt that was the best decision for us as a team.
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  Speaker 1: I think it gives us the best opportunity with the
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  Speaker 1: skill sets that we had with the other players in there. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I just thought that that was the best for the team.
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  Speaker 1: And doing it now, uh we exhausted, you know, all
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  Speaker 1: trade opportunities. We weren't able to get anything there. Um,
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  Speaker 1: So I just felt that, you know, now we can
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  Speaker 1: you know, work on the team and the plan and
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  Speaker 1: get ourselves ready for the season. A little bit later,
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  Speaker 1: more from the head coach on this guy. You know, hey,
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  Speaker 1: this is this is one where it's like complaining it.
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  Speaker 1: They saw a few weeks of training camp and figured, hey,
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  Speaker 1: this is not the type of running back that they
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  Speaker 1: wanted this new offense, this at least the way they've described. Well,
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  Speaker 1: then they they kind of shamed them on the way
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  Speaker 1: out the door by saying they couldn't get uh to
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  Speaker 1: the sandwich for him in a trade. My god, they
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  Speaker 1: really have to do they really have to do that. Um,
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't fit. They don't think he fits. Now whether
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  Speaker 1: he does or not has to be decided. But I'm
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  Speaker 1: not gonna be decided because they decided it already. But
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  Speaker 1: they liked their younger backs. And we all know how
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  Speaker 1: I feel about running backs. You draft them, you develop them,
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  Speaker 1: you run them into the ground, and draft another one.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm not surprised by this, and nor should I mean,
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  Speaker 1: maybe the timing is a little surprising because maybe you
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  Speaker 1: thought it would happen earlier in the year. The fact
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  Speaker 1: that it happened shouldn't be a surprising. Yeah, Pete, I
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  Speaker 1: would agree. I would agree with you in the sense
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  Speaker 1: of not surprising at all. Timing maybe a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: but overall that he's not gonna be on this team. Um,
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  Speaker 1: that's not a surprise. I don't think they shamed him
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  Speaker 1: at all. I said, here, here's the reality. Doug Moron
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  Speaker 1: has asked a question, why didn't you trade him? What
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  Speaker 1: is he supposed to say? Nobody wanted him, nobody was
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  Speaker 1: willing to give us anything in compensation, so we let
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  Speaker 1: him go. Now someone will sign him for a much
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  Speaker 1: lower price tag. Absolutely, But I think, um, I think
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot that goes into it. I think it
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  Speaker 1: started his rookie year where there was some off the
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  Speaker 1: field issues and went into a really bad tough uh
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  Speaker 1: second year, got better last year. Um. But I just
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  Speaker 1: think there's like a lot of stuff that just all
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  Speaker 1: added up. And more than anything, I think it was
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  Speaker 1: to play on the field. I think if you look
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  Speaker 1: at Leonard, Leonard for Nette, is a guy who needs
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  Speaker 1: is better behind a fullback in a power, downhill running
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  Speaker 1: system that not many teams by the way run today. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and what the Jaguars want to do is just not
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  Speaker 1: a great fit. And it wasn't like he I mean, look,
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  Speaker 1: he was okay last year. Don't get me wrong. I
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  Speaker 1: think for his from his standards, he had a pretty
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  Speaker 1: good season. But you're right, he doesn't fit with a
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  Speaker 1: lot of offenses because it takes him a half a
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  Speaker 1: week to get to the line of scrimmage. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I just don't think he's like they're running his own
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  Speaker 1: scheme now, right, so that means you gotta get wide
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  Speaker 1: and go or cut back off the backside. He just
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  Speaker 1: doesn't fit with him. It's not what he does. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's not. He's not. I mean, Pe say, I think
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  Speaker 1: you said it right. I mean he is. Um, he's
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  Speaker 1: not a great change of direction guy. But we said it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I said it from David One. I mean
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  Speaker 1: I thought, um when he came, when we draft him,
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  Speaker 1: he was not the best back in the draft. I
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  Speaker 1: would to pick two or three ahead of him because
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  Speaker 1: in today's league, and this is where one one area
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  Speaker 1: that Pete and I agree on, you have to make
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  Speaker 1: people miss. You have to be able to play in space,
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  Speaker 1: and you have to uh when you're one on one
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  Speaker 1: of the unblocked defender, which a lot of times you're
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  Speaker 1: going to be into the way defense is played today
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  Speaker 1: with the eight guy in the box, that you have
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  Speaker 1: to be able to make that guy miss because he's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be unbarred. And I just don't think Leonard Fort's
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  Speaker 1: that type of running back. I mean, I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: he is um a bad player or a bad back.
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  Speaker 1: He's just the style he plays in. It's just I
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  Speaker 1: don't think a lot of teams to play today that way. No.
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  Speaker 1: I I used to call Toby Gerhardt the magic Man,
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  Speaker 1: but I called Leonard for Nette the magic man too,
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  Speaker 1: because he could turn uh two yard run into a
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  Speaker 1: five yard run. But he could also turn up a
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  Speaker 1: five yard a sixty yard run into a five yard run,
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  Speaker 1: because that's not who he is. If the hole was there,
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  Speaker 1: I always go back to the Pittsburgh play. It was
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  Speaker 1: a two thousand seventeen Tony I think with a guard
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  Speaker 1: kicked out. I think it was a j can kicked
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  Speaker 1: out the end or a linebacker and E went ninety yards,
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  Speaker 1: but silly could have run for thirty on through that hole. No, listen,
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  Speaker 1: when there is when it is a well blocked play
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  Speaker 1: and there's a good hole, Leonard for it's a good back.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he is a fast, powerful human being, There's
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  Speaker 1: no doubt about that. Who can get downhill. He gets going,
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  Speaker 1: and he is tough. He's gonna be physical, he'll run
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  Speaker 1: through arm tackles, and he's a physical cat. But he's
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  Speaker 1: not gonna make a lot of guys miss one on one,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it takes him a while to get
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  Speaker 1: to the back side. I think it takes him a
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  Speaker 1: lot of steps to get there. And I just think
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  Speaker 1: of today's game, especially the style of the Jaguars want
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  Speaker 1: to play. It's it's a it's a different type of
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  Speaker 1: back Let me ask you those guys, how about the
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  Speaker 1: timing of this should have happened earlier. Is this the
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  Speaker 1: right time to do it or does that really matter? Well,
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  Speaker 1: here's my thing with it. I think they wanted to
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  Speaker 1: get rid of him from the beginning the offseason. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that. I think they wanted to trade him.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they could. Um I say that. But
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  Speaker 1: at the other side of my mouth, I go, why
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  Speaker 1: didn't they address the position in the off season better
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  Speaker 1: or in the draft? And not up front, but like
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  Speaker 1: a third, fourth, fifth rounder? Why didn't they spend more
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  Speaker 1: in free agency and bring more guys in a volume
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  Speaker 1: of guy. All they really did is bring in, you know,
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  Speaker 1: back in draft guys and Christopson. I mean, they really
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  Speaker 1: didn't address the position. And so that's the only surprising
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  Speaker 1: thing to me, JP is not that they got rid
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  Speaker 1: of them. I think they wanted to move on from
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  Speaker 1: Leonard from Nett starting in January that they didn't do
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  Speaker 1: it either sooner and add pieces around into that room. Um,
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  Speaker 1: So it's not that he's it's the timing and the
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  Speaker 1: fact that lack of other investments that they made their Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but they liked the guy. The young guys too. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you keep hearing good things about the young guys that
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  Speaker 1: you guys have been around. What what what young guys
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  Speaker 1: tell me the young guys are talking about? No, I
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that's accurate. Welly, you don't think you
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  Speaker 1: don't think I haven't heard. I have not heard anything
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  Speaker 1: about them liking Armstead. Ziga was a guy that came
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  Speaker 1: at the end of last year, was like the eight
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  Speaker 1: t thrown back and then you know, big cause of
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  Speaker 1: injuries and everything else, ends up playing and and played fine.
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  Speaker 1: I just haven't heard. I mean j P again, we're
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  Speaker 1: not around there as much as we went in the past.
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  Speaker 1: But I have not heard anything glowing about any of
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  Speaker 1: these backs. Well, I'll say I mean that was the
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  Speaker 1: explanation today, is that they liked the skill set of
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  Speaker 1: these backs and which one so like they like the
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  Speaker 1: rookie for Illinois Day. James Robinson is one of those guys.
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  Speaker 1: Chris Thompson, of course broke in in free aqency, the
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  Speaker 1: back field option, more receiving yards and rushing yards in
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  Speaker 1: his career. But um, that was your explanation today. You
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  Speaker 1: know that's what we're doing. You find you can find
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  Speaker 1: Look the Chargers found Eckler, right, I mean you can
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  Speaker 1: find guys. And I was did you go to the
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  Speaker 1: scrimmage on Saturday? Either wanted you to see it? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Did Robinson look good at scrimmage? Because somebody said did
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  Speaker 1: a couple of moments I saw Tony? Well, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: you're not tackling. I was like discounted running backs and
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  Speaker 1: these things like so much. But you can see if
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  Speaker 1: he can pop through a hole or cut back or
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  Speaker 1: they look good. Yeah, but Leonard for that looks good
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  Speaker 1: in those things a lot of times. I mean a
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  Speaker 1: lot of backs look good because you know you can
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  Speaker 1: kind of play to and touch. I mean it's hard
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  Speaker 1: to tell. I mean a lot of it. You better
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  Speaker 1: block well in those situations because you know if you
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  Speaker 1: don't block well, there's nothing there and you're not gonna
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  Speaker 1: be able to break a tackle because it's blown dead. Here.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the other thing, though, Leonard for Nette was not
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  Speaker 1: gonna get twenty five carries or twenty carries in this
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  Speaker 1: offense the way. So no, I agree. Why people you
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  Speaker 1: know he's never I mean the teammates didn't gravitate to him.
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  Speaker 1: He was never. He's part of the past. He's part
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  Speaker 1: of that regime from the set, from the seven team
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  Speaker 1: team that wasn't asaster. They all got full of himselves.
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  Speaker 1: You don't need that. You got a bunch of young
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  Speaker 1: guys on that team. There's no need for it to
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  Speaker 1: keep him they want They won five games last year
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  Speaker 1: and what a six year. They got eleven wins with
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  Speaker 1: him in the last two years. What's the difference getting
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  Speaker 1: rid of them? You save money, you get more money
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  Speaker 1: for the calf. I don't think anyone on this show
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  Speaker 1: is argue with you. I'm m sure who you're arguing with.
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  Speaker 1: National media has piled it on him for a pile
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  Speaker 1: on today, Tony. I know you're traveling, you probably why
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  Speaker 1: like what are they piling on? What are they saying?
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  Speaker 1: Obviously they don't watch the game taper, they don't watch
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  Speaker 1: like what actually is real what they say. You know
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  Speaker 1: what it is, Tony, And you know this because you've
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  Speaker 1: played in Jacksonville. It's always names over game. They don't
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  Speaker 1: understand that that's his name is bigger than his game.
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  Speaker 1: And so national media, Oh my god, Letard for Nette
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  Speaker 1: got released. Big deal, big deal was it? You know
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  Speaker 1: what it is. It's a big deal because it's a
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  Speaker 1: blown draft pick, and they could have drafted a quarterback
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  Speaker 1: at that spotot and you don't take a running back
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  Speaker 1: that high. That's why it's a big deal. But I
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  Speaker 1: always go back, and I said this on one of
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  Speaker 1: our shows today. You know who wanted him. We all
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  Speaker 1: know who wanted him. The same guy who wanted to
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  Speaker 1: draft large Phillips second overall, the same guy who tried
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  Speaker 1: to trade nine and to go get the big back
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  Speaker 1: Curtis Enis Tom wanted him. But that offensive style is
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  Speaker 1: no longer relevant in the NFL. You don't need a
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  Speaker 1: big back anymore. You don't need that guy. So that
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  Speaker 1: that's why it's a blown draft pick. That's why it's
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  Speaker 1: a big deal from a current football standpoint. Not a
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  Speaker 1: big deal though, Yeah, yeah, you said it perfectly. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: but part of it. I always go back to this though.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone loves to just blame TC for that pick. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's like the easy thing to do, like, oh, it's
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  Speaker 1: TC's fault, and no one else he's gone to, Like
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  Speaker 1: it's all shake our heads and look the other way. Um.
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  Speaker 1: It's also I think it was a comment of that
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  Speaker 1: Dave Caldwell was convinced that Blake Portals was the franchise
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  Speaker 1: quarterback and he wasn't ready to move on. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if you think back, I mean David, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: we're all there and and Dave was adamant that Blake
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  Speaker 1: was the guy. And I wonder what would have happened
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  Speaker 1: if if when Tom came in, if if Dave was saying,
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  Speaker 1: Blake's not our guy, we need a quarterback, would have
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  Speaker 1: been a different conversation. Would you have gone somewhere else?
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  Speaker 1: Because the way I remember that offseason, and both of
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  Speaker 1: you guys were there and JP were there every day,
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  Speaker 1: is that they were convinced they had a quarterback in
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  Speaker 1: Blake Portals And because of that, that that drove everything else.
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  Speaker 1: And so everyone says it's Tom's fault they didn't get
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  Speaker 1: Deshaun Wats or Patrick Mahomes. Ultimately, it is because he
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  Speaker 1: has the final say of the draft, or he used
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  Speaker 1: to have the final say in the draft. But Dave
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  Speaker 1: was also I'm not saying he wanted Leonard for that,
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  Speaker 1: but he didn't want to go quarterback. No, he was
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  Speaker 1: convinced that he was convinced that it was that Blake
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  Speaker 1: Portos was the guy. So I always go back to
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  Speaker 1: the story, I know, but hold on. When we had
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  Speaker 1: these conversations, I always like, yeah, that's only part of
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  Speaker 1: the story that Tom wanted Leonard. Well, you're you're correct.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, I don't think Tom was ever
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  Speaker 1: convinced Blake Portos was a good quarterback, to be honestly,
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  Speaker 1: because I had conversations with him about it. Um, But
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  Speaker 1: then why then, why do you go with them? Why
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  Speaker 1: do you stick with him? I don't that, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I have no like no, but I remember, even when
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  Speaker 1: Blake was still there, I don't think he ever thought
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  Speaker 1: he was that good. Why do you stick with him?
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  Speaker 1: I think he was convinced to stick with him? But
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  Speaker 1: be you still okay, let's just say they keep playing.
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  Speaker 1: You can't draft a money back number four. Overall, you
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  Speaker 1: just pete, pete, You're missing my point. I agree with
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  Speaker 1: you on that. My point is that's only half the story, right,
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  Speaker 1: because if Dave Calwell back then would have said, which
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  Speaker 1: all of us by the way we're saying and we
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  Speaker 1: get me and you pe get plenty of them wrong,
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  Speaker 1: but we got that one right. That Blake was not
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  Speaker 1: the quarterback, Well, then you naturally go get a quarterback
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  Speaker 1: when you're drafting number four. And I heard if Tom
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  Speaker 1: loved Deshaun Watson if he was going to take a quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, things could have changed. But again,
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  Speaker 1: Dave liked portals somehow cofin was convinced to keep them.
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  Speaker 1: But once you're convinced to keep them, which is the
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  Speaker 1: mistake in the first part, then you gotta not draft
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  Speaker 1: of running back at number four. Yeah. I guess My
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  Speaker 1: point is they play together. They're both equally led to
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  Speaker 1: the decision of how you got picking winner for night
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  Speaker 1: at four. That's all. That's all I'm saying, all right,
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  Speaker 1: come back, of course, see the other big news yesterday
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  Speaker 1: and finalized just a little while ago, unique and got
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  Speaker 1: way train into the Minnesota Vikings. Will delve into that
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  Speaker 1: more for Nette talk to come as well. Your social
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  Speaker 1: with you onik when he was here. Uh. And at
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, when you're a coach and
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: you're sitting there and you know, it's almost like you
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: feel like you're in the middle. You know, you want
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: you want what's best for the player, you want what's
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: best for the team. Um, you know, and I think
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: in this situation, I haven't spoken to beyond, but you know,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: obviously if if he's if he's happy, then I'm happy
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: for him, you know. Um. You know, the team feels good,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: you know, with the compensation, so I'm happy for them.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, you just keep going forward. Welcome back.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Then on together. News of the day, of course, he
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: get got ways to the Minnesota Vikings made an official
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: by the team at two o'clock today, the Jags in
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: or Tremor, receiving one second round pick and a two
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: conditional fifth round pick. Pete. Is that enough or was
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: this the ideal that they just had? It's enough because
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: that's all they got. You know, everybody out there who says, oh,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: he's gonna get there, they got a first round could
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: have got a first round and I'm gonna kill my
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: buddy Jason morcanfora because he keeps saying that if they
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: had done it earlier in April, before the draft, they
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: would have got more compensation. They tried, they had nothing.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Nobody wanted to give up a first round pick for him,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: didn't couldn't get one. So in the end it came
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: down to two things. Either you you take his bluff
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: and say he's not you know, you think he's gonna
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: come back and and come back and play for the
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: eighteen million, which was a possibility, or pet on him
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: for a two out of five and get him out
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: of the building and you take that money off the books,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: and now you have almost nine you have ninety million
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: dollars because you can carry that over, and you have
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: a lot of it over, and you have ninety million
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: dollars in cap room next year. So I think in
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: the end there wasn't a great offer for him. Hey,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: the Raiders had a first two first round picks and
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: they need a pass rusher and they didn't even they
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: didn't sniff on it. So I think they got what
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: they could period. And is it a great haul for
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: a pass rusher? Look at the history here. Think about
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: what the Texans got for Clowney. They got a three
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: and paid eight million dollars to get his contract off.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: They paid actually paid eight million dollars in his contract
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: of the books. So I think it's fair compensation. I
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: would have held onto him and made him play because
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I think you would eventually came in and play. But
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: what happens if he's not playing because asan and and
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Alur getting repped and he's in a contract year and
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: wants to be on the field more. How will that play?
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: How would that play out? So in the end, it
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: was the wise thing to do. So let me bring
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I kind of looked at it in three I'm gonna
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: break down at three different First, let me say that
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna miss you on UM. I like John the person.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I think he's a pro. I like how he approaches
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: the game. I think he prepares. Um. John and I
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: were able to have some really honest conversations. Um when
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: he was here, you know, and I like John Davis
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: a straight shooter, and it was he was okay with
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: having conversations, like what I thought about his run defense
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: and like how you know different things like that, like
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: he was like a and I always appreciate that about
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Yan and I exchanged the dams with them afterwards and
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: wishing them the best, because I really do wish John
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: the best, like I want him to be successful. Like
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I don't like how it ended. I don't like that
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: he's not a Jaguar. I don't like any of that.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: But as a pro and as a person and somebody
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: i'll be rooting for when we're not like i'll root
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: for Yon. Like there's other guys who've left I don't
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: root for because they I don't like how they left
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: and I don't really like care for how they did it.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say any names. I will. I will
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: root for y'all. I don't root for him because, like
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: you know what, like it didn't end grade. I didn't
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: like him and Tony going back and forth. I didn't
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: think that was a good look. But overall, like the
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: kid loves football. He loves ball. And if people tell
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: you when I was a player, like like if you
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: love ball like that, you're like, we're gonna get along
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: because I love ball and uh, and so that's one um,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: you know. As far as what we got for him,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I think what happened there is you know, remember back
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: when we got rid of Jailan and the organization was
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: applauded for waiting and not going off there asking price,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: and they said, you know, we're gonna get two ones
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: or we're not doing it, and we'll make him sit
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: year and make him just suffer. And they ended up
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: getting it, and everyone said, look at that patience and
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: you stuck to the guns, and they got it. And
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: I think they tried to do the same thing with
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: jan in the hall, just never came. And because the
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: criticism I heard is like why didn't they do it earlier?
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Because I think they said, we're gonna use the same
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: strategy it worked, and we're gonna try to see if
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: we can get a bigger haul, and they never came.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: I think it got to the point where like, we're
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: not getting it, so let's just take what we can get,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: and as long as it's more than a three, it's
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: worthwhile because they would have gotten they would have got
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: a three form as a compensitary pick if you've gone
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: a free agency, and so you know, so I I
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: get the timing. I think they didn't work the way
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: they thought they thought they get more. The market wasn't there.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: The final thing is this what bothers me? And I
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: think this is his organization where we had to sit
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: back and like do like an honest reflection. A good
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: young player who was football was willing to wanted to
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: leave this organization so bad that you make seven million
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: dollars less a year five point eight twelve, he's gonna
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: get twelve mint compared to seventeen point eight. Um. By
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: the way, Minnesota has the third highest tax state tax
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: rate in the country. That's another that's another one point
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: two million. You had five point plus one point two
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: that's seven million dollars less. He is willing to take
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: not to play in Jacksonville. That's a bad decision. Well,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I like, I love John. I would for seven million,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: seven million dollar delta. You can beat me with a
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: baseball bat for the year and playing offensive line and
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: and you know, and call me every name of the
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: book and call me a bad whatever. I'll go play football.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: And I don't know that one. I don't understand, and
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I think it's I don't know he got bad advice
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: from his agent from the beginning. I agree with you.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I agree with you from that standpoint. But but here's
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: my thing, Like I look at the both sides, like yeah,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: I like, yeah, like seven million bucks. You're like, that's
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of money. Are you that unhappy? You can't
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: suck it up for one year it's for seven million dollars?
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Or does he look at it and say, I can
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: go to Minnesota playing Mike Zimmers defense opposite to Neil
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Hunter and make that money back up again. And that's
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: another thing he might and that's a great point. Or
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: he says, you know what, I'm willing to take seven
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: million dollars less because one, I don't want to be
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: there anymore. I don't like being there, and I think
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I have a better chance of performing and a Zimmer
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: defense with a bunch of talent around me, and an
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: offense as a quarterback that's gonna get We're gonna have
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: to play with the lead. Hey, we like living in Florida,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: but if you put me in Siberia for a year
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: and gave me seven million dollars, I'd be more than
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: willing to do it. But you know what I mean, people,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: this is for the organization they ship. That's my point.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: That's what bothers me because I love this organization and
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: like that, just like bothers me that the narrative is like,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: guys are willing to pay play for a lot less
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: money if they don't have to play here. But what
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: what bad? What? What? What was what issue? Tom? Tom
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: supposedly had a lot to do with it. Well, I
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: don't know Tom had a lot to do with the
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: yawn stuff. Yeah, yeah, I think it started with Yawn
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: is that he felt like they paid other people I Eat, Myles,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Jack and others and didn't pay him and he was
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: more productive than they were. And he's like, wait a second, now,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: he's never I'm just this is what I gave him.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: He's never said this. But then Miles contract come after
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: he turned down. It was right, It was right during.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: It was right in the middle of it all. Um,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: it was right in the middle of it all. And
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I think he basically said, like, listen, I want to
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: get paid what other double digit pass restaurants are getting
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: and we didn't do that. And pretty proud guy, and
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: a pretty principal guy, a pretty hard headed guy. All
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: these things I'd say, if you're sitting on the call
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: with us right here, And he basically dug his feet
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: and said you know what, Okay, you can kiss my
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: rear end. I'm gonna play hard. I'll be a pro,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: but I'm never gonna do anything else for you. And
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I think he just made his mind up. That was it.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I just I still think he got bad advice from
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: his age and he should have taken the eighteen and
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: a half million dollar a year deal that they offered
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: him when it went in that And in that negotiation
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: it went bad in large part because Tom, you know,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: basically dissed him. Tom kept pointing out that he's not
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: very good against the run, and he took it as
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: a personal thing from what I heard, and and and
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: so once it went bad, then the agent kept banging
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: on him and banging on him and banging on him.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: You know, you gotta get out of there. You gotta
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: get out of there. And even after he fired the agent,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I think he's his whole mindset was I have to
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: get out of there. It's our But you're like Tony,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: it's a bad look for the organization. So out, let's
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: just say Gardener Minshew throws for yards and thirty touch
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: thirty three touchdown passes this year and then doesn't like
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: his contract. Is he go and say I'm sitting out
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: or you're gonna trade me. I mean, it's a bad
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: look to give in, uh to two different players because
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: they gave him Jalen Rampy. Now get great, they got
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: a great haul for Jalen Ramsey. But ultimately, on the surface,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: it looks like they gave in, which is why I
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: hear Shot Cohn didn't want to give in on this one,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: but he almost had to in the end. I mean, well,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: and then it went bad. I mean then you got
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: I mean going back and forth with the owner. I
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: mean Tony Kahn is the owner, he owns the team.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I mean Shot is the principal owner, but he's the
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: ownership group. I mean Shot, I mean Tony Khan not
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: a good look. If you're a player going back and
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: forth with the owner, you know, taking shots on Twitter,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: and if you're getting into it with Tony Kahn, you
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: get into it with You're getting into it one of
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: the most nicest human beings. I'm like none, and but
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, listen, that what makes part of what
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: makes youn a really like good football player. He's mean,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: he's tough, he's nasty's competitive, and he's hard headed, like
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: he gets in his mind like it's me against the world,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: and if you're in the world on the other side
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: of him, it's like a death match with this kid.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: And I love that and I love it too, but
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: you have to separate it off the field, and I
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: think that became the team Like it was like I'm
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: done and I'll go to war and if even if
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: it even it's like the old mindsets, like even if
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: it kills me, I'm not going to back down. I'll
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: die for what I believe and that's that's who Yan
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: is foot and everything. But yeah, I picked him to
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: be the Defensive Player of the Year two years ago.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: That tells you what I think about his abilities and
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: and granted it hadn't worked out that way, but I
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: still think he gets in that Mike Zimmer system. Playing
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: opposite Hunter, they got a chance to get what I
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: and I'll tell you I appreciate that. It's about John.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I mean I told him how I felt like the
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: type of run defender he was and what he needs
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: to be different because he wasn't a great yet run
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: defender um because he's not a big guy, but he
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: has the ability and he showed flashes of his year
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: went on last year. He has to make him miss.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: He's a one gap up the field, make a miss,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: get on the edge, stress a tackle in space and
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: uh and that's that's just who he is. And when
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: he can rush the passer and you get him in
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: enough third down situations, he's gonna create havoc. He's gonna
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: strip the football, he's gonna create turnovers, and he's a
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: heck of a pass rusher. But Tony, when you talk
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: about his run defense, it's not a want to because
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: he'll chase out place from behind. It's at him because
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: he's not I say it all the time. I Mean,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: if I played the uniqun Go way and it was
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: the run game, I'd be like, let's go, let's run.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Let's I don't need a tight end, let's let's run
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: weak side, stretch, outside zone. And I'm gonna get him
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: out there. And he and it's like I'm three pounds,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: he's touring forty. And so unless he's gonna make him
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: me miss and get me in fit space, it's just
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: a tough matchup for him. He doesn't want whatever it's
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: not because he doesn't want to. How would you have
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: block him as a how would you have blocked him
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: as a as a pass blocker. I just my style.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: I would have waited for him, make him run. I
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: just made him run over me. Yeah, I don't say that.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: But he's great. But he's really He's really athletic, Pete.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: He's really quick, he has good moves, his hips, he
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: can turn the corner. I mean, he's been a tough
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: It wouldn't it would have been no easy day at
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: the good player John Abraham maybe not as strong, I don't.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I don't think you know. Abe had a little bit
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: of h He's right two fifty five to sixty five,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: ye as him? Yeah, yohn about let's come back. Um,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: we'll get back on the unique and guy quit a
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: conversation of course, that's throughout the evening. Will come back
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: on the literal for neet front as well, and take
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: a look at the Jags first round of history as
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: of late, and how many of those guys have been
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: around for somebody still think is gonna make it Hey
• 34:12
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  Speaker 1: M hmm. Well, here I am, I think, but we'll
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  Speaker 1: see how this, how this goes the rest of down
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  Speaker 1: there's things to talk about. You were replaceable, you were
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  Speaker 1: gonna get Wally Pit. Yeah. Well, you know, it's kind
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: of how it goes from time to time. So when
• 43:08
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  Speaker 1: reminded me of and um, do you remember this JP.
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• 43:16
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• 43:19
  Speaker 1: outside backer, so they're not exactly, but his name was
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Chad Brown. And the reason I different styles still beause
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Chad could play inside linebacker, outside linebacker, but he was
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: a great outside linebacker in that three or four defense
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: and rushing the pass, run third down, great pastors around
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  Speaker 1: third down. And he wasn't overpowering, but he was slippery.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: And that's how always I always viewed Yawn as slippery. Um,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: even like I knew that Chad couldn't overpower me, but
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: he was still a pain because he he just had
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: the ability to get on your edge and make it
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: really hard to get your hands on him. And when
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: I used to watch Yahn, that's what I thought about,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: is like he just had that ability just to get
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: on your edge and make like really miserable if you
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: got your hands on him. As a big offensive linement,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: it was over. So like when I got my hands
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: on Chad, whose games that match, But he had the
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: ability to get on the edge. And I think that's
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: what Yohn was. Um, I think remember I thought you
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: would say Jason Gilden, That's what I thought. Then Gilden
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: wasn't a slippery pete. Um, he didn't. He couldn't get
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: on the edge like Chad Brown did. Um. And the
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: way Chad would play run defense is he would always
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: just make you admit. He was never like in one
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: spot to be bouncing around, so you could never really
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: just you know, get after him physically, it felt like.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: And I always felt like that's how Yan needed to
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: play the run a little bit, uh and try to
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: get on the edge and be elusive because he's just
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: not a big enough man just to stand up. But
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: but don't you think Joan would have fit in that
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Steelers defense? Maybe better than than he fits. And with
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: his hand on the ground too. I've always thought he'd
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: be a great three four outside back. But now he's
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: going to Minnesota's gonna put his hand on the ground. Yeah, So,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: but what do I know? I mean, I'm not defense coordinator,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure there's drops and everything else. You'd be
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: worried about John in pass coverage, But Tony, don't you
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: think that when you look at the Vikings Hunters are
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: really good young pass rusher. And he's not a big
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: guy either. Yeah, but he's long. Yahn is not long either.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: He's not a long player. Neil Hunter is long. Yeah,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: he just is like and he can leverage it because
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: of his length and that's where his power comes from.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Um and John doesn't have that. He's more of an
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: edge player. We were discussing, of course earlier, the running
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: back Leonard for that being waived by the Jaguars. And
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: you know it continues just a horrible run of first
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: round picks for this organization that have not come back
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: around here. You have it from to president if you
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: want to go all the way back there with Blackman,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: he last played in thirteen Luke Jokes Pete mentioned earlier,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: last played in twenty seventeen with the Seahawks, like Portals,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: still a free agent, Dante Fowlers with the Falcons down,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey with the Rams, Leonard waved today and then
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: the last four picks over the last three years of
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: course still in their first contract. So you know, to
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: to build a culture, to build an organization, you've gotta
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: keep those corners stone guys around and the Jaguars just
• 46:22
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• 46:24
  Speaker 1: do that. Tony, Well here, and here's the worst part
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: about it. You know, these are all top ten picks,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of them top five picks, yes, And of
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: the top five, you know, I think the Jags have
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: had eight top five picks all time, and only three
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: of those have signed second contracts. You were the first one,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Kevin Hardy was the second one, and Blake Bortles was
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: the third one. All the others never signed back here,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: I mean justin Blackman, I think he was an eighth
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: or eighth pick overall, seventh, eighth, ninth rider on their
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: jokes number two, neither neither in the league. Boordals number
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: third overall, not in the league. Not the Fowler's actually
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: a pretty good player, just didn't make it, couldn't make
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: it work here, signed a nice deal with the Falcons
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: in the right role. I think you know Dante Um
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: as a productive player obviously. Jalen Ramsey is probably the
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: most talented of the of this whole group, but just
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: did not work out for all the reasons we covered
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: better for that currently not in the league. Um he
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: should be, Um, Tim Bryanton, you know later in the
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: first round. I think there's questions. I think he was
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: having a good camp. I'm looking forward to seeing him
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: get back healthy after the knee, see what he can do.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: I think he was Also, he was also picked one
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: spot before Lamar Jackson's not I know that. Um. I
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: think Josh Allen's an absolute stud. Um. I think he'll
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: be a stud. Who knows about Henderson and Chason they
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: haven't even played a snap yet, so we're not gonna
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: comment on those. So yeah. But I mean here's the
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: thing is, are you gonna hit on all your first rounders? No,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: but you gotta hit on a high percentage. And those
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: are the guys that, especially top five picks. Those are
• 47:53
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• 47:56
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• 47:58
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• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Those are the guys going to the Pro Bowl. Those
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: are the guys who are top three at the position group.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Those are the guys that are on the top hundred
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: players nowadays that they do on NFL. I mean you
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: need those type. Those are stars, those are impact players.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: And when you miss on those, boy, it's really hard.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: It is really hard. And that's the thing Tony. Even
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: going back to Coughlin's first round picks, he he had
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of faults and he missed on guys, but
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: he hit his first round picks. Yeah, I mean, I mean,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: you think of Tom's first rounders, you me Stu. Stu
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: is a good running back, good running back. He was
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: the last pick in the first round too. He's really
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: a second rounder because because we had the extra picks.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Um Hardy, Kevin Hardy, Pro Bowl player, um, Fred Taylor, Um,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Fernando Bryant, Starter, Donovan Starter, Starter. All those guys are starters.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: And then it went bad when the panics started when
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: he picked r. J. Saward. That had and then he
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: got back on track though, you know John Henderson, Um
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: uh gosh o Marcus Stroud Stroud, Um, I mean so,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean for the most parts. Now
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: you can argue some of the down the road guys
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: he picked that we're kind of like, huh yeah. But
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: and by the way, that's that was the nucleus of
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: our team when we were good. Think about here's about
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: these first round picks. Though he had knuckleheads in a
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: lot of those first round picks, and for example, Justin
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Blackman was a disaster. Um Jalen Ramsey didn't work out
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: a large part because of himself. Um Donte Fowler. You
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: remember all the stories you heard about dot Day Faller
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: when he was in jack He was immature, he wasn't
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: going to his rehab meeting, he wasn't doing a lot
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: of those things. So a lot of those situations, you
• 49:53
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• 49:57
  Speaker 1: them anyways, And so that's why that's part of the problem.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: So at some point that has by the way, that
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: by the way, JP. One thing the two thousand thirteen
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: draft was it was awful and you know, we could
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: you could nail joke for all you want, but Eric
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Fisher is a decent player, but he was the first
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: overall pick. And let's not forget the other guy they
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: were gonna take was the pass rusher from Oregon who's
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: busted out all over the place, Dion Jordan's. So it
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: was just a bit. Two thousand thirteen was a terrible draft.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: That was they were thinking about him too, but they didn't.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: They couldn't figeret how old he was. But you know,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: that's the thing to Tony. Would would you you still
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: think Joke was coming back and player left tackle? No history,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Tony has ever taken up for more than Luke Joke.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: I always felt bad for him. That's why you want.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: You wanted to be baby Bow so bad, but it
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: never worked out that and then I know I wanted
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: to be Loup Joko. I just wanted him to be him. Wow, hey, quick,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: thought about Tony the scrimmage on Saturday. Wait, you know
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: there's been all this news since then that you know,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: we haven't really touched on any of that yet. Yeah,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: I mean that we let ye JP, I mean a
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: couple of things high level. Let me say this. It's
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: not it wasn't a scrimmage. It was it was a practice. No,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: they did not tackle the ground, So well, I'm just
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: that a scrimmage, Like I don't understand, And I'd love
• 51:36
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• 51:38
  Speaker 1: he what was this thinking? I don't understand how you
• 51:41
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• 51:44
  Speaker 1: ground like a preseason game and said, this is our
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: one preseason game. We're gonna do it inter squad because
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: we have to do something that prepares has for opening
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: days at all. Have they tackled it all? I've seen
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: him tackle one period. Yeah. I talked to Zach Taylor
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: today the Bengals and they tackle a bunch of different
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: practices of team at Yeah. I was shocked that they
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: did not have a full speed tackle to the ground
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: scrimmage so they could be ready for the Colts. That's
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: the first takeaway. But Doug has his philosophy. He's playing
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: it safe. Um. I just I think it's it's interesting
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: because you have limited practices already, have a young team.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: I thought I would think that would be the thing
• 52:23
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• 52:26
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• 52:28
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• 52:31
  Speaker 1: And they didn't decide to that. Fun. I don't think
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: it was a great scrimmage for um Gardner Minshew. You know,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: it didn't look like there was a lot of zip
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: on the ball. Uh how many interceptions? JP was there? Too?
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: It was it was one and seven on seven and
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: then up picked six. He threw the d J Hayden
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: who was playing for the defense and that was in
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: eleven and eleven worked early and then yeah, there was
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: especially early in his day. Told me you just wasn't sharp.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Some overthrows, just timing wasn't there. And then they got
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: into the red zone and he threw a couple of
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: touchdown passes in the corner and and kind of as
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: the practice went on, got a little better. But um,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: you know that wasn't it was It wasn't. It wasn't
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: a great day. Um. I haven't watched every snap because
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: I left a little bit early, and I haven't gone
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: back and watched all the tape, you know, but just
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: little things. I mean, I don't I mean, and I'm
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: sensitive to say this because I played the position and
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: you have bad plays, But I didn't like watching the
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: rookie Chason running around Cam Robinson for a sack. I mean,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: because I think Cam's having a good camp. I mean,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: just I mean, is at the end of the world,
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: you have bad plays. Maybe it's a bad maybe got
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: up late, I didn't see it. Maybe you got to
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: a point in camp where you're like, okay, we've been
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: doing the same thing because that you know, even there's
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: that's my point. But my yeah, I'm green with you.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: That's I'm not killing Cam about I think Cam's had
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: a good camp. Not this is not a shot at camp.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: But if you're asking me this the scrimmage, like you
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: would like to see things polished like that, that's why.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: And I don't know how they set it up with
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: the players, because to your point, sometimes there's a veteran
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: you're like, let me just get through these thing things
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: practice eleven eleven. But if you're if it's set up,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: it's like, hey, this is important, like this is the
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: last thing we're gonna do hard, and so I expect
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: full go. Well, then you know that's different. So it
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: sounded like Jason. It sounded like Jason really flashed though,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: did he He did at times. Um, he looks a
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: little bit. He looks much bigger than I remember watching
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: him on tape, a little thicker. I don't know if
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: he's heavy right now. He has a hamstring, so he
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: doesn't look as explosive as I think he'll be. Um,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: but I like that he's fighting through it. You know,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: the rookie call on Johnson looked good. I mean, obviously
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: that's well documented. He had a good camp. I thought,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: you know, uh, Looten, the rookie out of Oregon State. Boy,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: he can spin it. Oh, he can spin it. I
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: mean really impressive out ball comes out of his hand. Um.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: So that was good. That was a positive. UM, but
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: nothing stood out that was what that did anything. J
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: P watching it saying, boy, we're gonna be really good
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: at this, and what you're hoping that was would have
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: win Gardner Mitschew. I think we're gonna be really good
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: at throwing the ball in the corner of the end
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: zone and going to get it. D J. Shark had
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: one of those. College Johnson had one of those and
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: almost another one at the end of practice. Yeah, but
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: that's the first of all in terms of the philosophy.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: What this thing is gonna really look like, what they're
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: gonna do, Well, you couldn't take it away from that scrimmage. Well,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: first of all, you had to get to the red
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: zone first and make those throws. That's the first thing. Secondly,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: it's still not a high percentage play. Yeah. I wouldn't
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: read too much into this that practice. You know that
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: you know better than that. Tell me I've been around.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: I mean when he asked me what I saw, it
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: was the last is the last I will. I will
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: say this, though they might they could possibly it probably
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: won't happen. They could possibly start seven rookies at some
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: point early in the season. Okay, who are Johnson and Chanault?
• 56:05
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• 56:10
  Speaker 1: gonna start at some point in the season. I didn't
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: say right away. I said at some point early in
• 56:14
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• 56:23
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• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: I came in. Everyone clean slate, no issues, everything moved forward. Um,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: everything's gonna be you know what's on the field. I
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: mean it's a teammate, all this stuff I'm talking about everyone.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: This is what I said to everyone on the team,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: and I tried to challenge all the people around me
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: to say, let's go off what we see. Let's take names,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: take draft picks, take all that stuff off the jerseys,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: take it off the table, okay, and then let's put
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: him on the field and see who the best players
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: are and what's gonna be best for our team. Um.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: So that's that's that's what I feel like. You know,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: that was my goal and that's my responsibility, and that's
• 1:00:44
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• 1:00:49
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• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: hour of Jaguars Happy Hour, J P. Shattrick with Pete
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: Frisco and Tony Boselli. Glad you're along with us today.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: That's the big news of the day for net waves
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: by the Jaguars unique and got Way official now traded
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: to the Minnesota Vikings for draft picks that became official
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: at two o'clock today. That was reported yesterday morning. Uh
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: that so, of course those moves leave the running back room,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: as we've discussed earlier, with some youth in there now obviously, UM,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: we've discussed a little bit is it enough compensation for
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: in gock Way, But it sounds like that's kind of
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: what the deal was going to be, so they went
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: with it. And you know, the Jags do not have
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: a great, at least recently track record with retaining their
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: first round picks after the rookie contracts. Um. So, you
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: know before the break here we were talking about Pete,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: you said eight rookies could be starting for this team.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Is that early in the year. What point in the
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: year are you talking early in the year and it's seven,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: it's it's possibly having seven guys started ally shaking his head.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: He's just being the negative. He just wants to argue
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: with me. Don't worry, Beselli. The fans are gonna be
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: calling in and stuff in a little bit. You can
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: argue all you want. There might be seven. Why are
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: you saying no, who's not? Which one of them has
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: no possibility of being a starter. I don't think Colin
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Johnson will be a starter this year and now outside
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: of injuries, I guess if you have injuries. Yes, I'm
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: talking about as a starter. He's got up the town
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: because Shark's gonna Chart's gonna be a starter. And before
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: the third, the second receiver before Colin Johnson get there,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: and I think Chris Commins. I think Colin's ahead of
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: him right now too. But you couldn't see Calmly getting replaced. Okay,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: then that he's the third, he still have the starter.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: I said he has a chance to be a starter
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: early in the season. I said seven. I didn't say
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: he was starting. No, Pete right, Chart, Calmly right now?
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: The third right now? So okay, let's say you move
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: Calmly out, so no, it becomes a starter now, Chart,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: So like you have to have like three signs Arting
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: Tony to start three the NFL the players and with
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: three receivers and more, come on, you start three okay?
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: So um uh. Then the other one you said, Hamilton,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: I can see starting at some point on early because
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: I think Abriel start, but he'll be a rotational player,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: will be on the field a lot. Um. I don't
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: think Chase, yeah, Henderson, But I don't think Chason will
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: start right away because I think Chason will end up
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: being the back. I think he'll rotate with Josh Allen
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: a little bit. It would be rotational because I don't
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: think I think they're gonna start Josh Allen as the
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: open end and probably Smoot is your big end on
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: the close side ten in size. My guess how they start.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: So I don't think Chason will be a starter, but
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: he could beat to your point, Henderson will be a starter.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: Um where I could see Chase on where I would
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: start Chasing. Probably i'd actually start. I might start him
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: as Sam linebacker, That's what I'm starting, and then put
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: him down on a Russia. That's what that's why think
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: they'll end up doing. And then the other one would
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: be the safety where Thomas might when one of those
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: he might win a job there well, safe is gonna
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: be interesting. Could Ronnie Harrison like where's like? I mean, yeah,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: wing uh winger wing guard also back there and Jones.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: That's an interesting one to me is what happens to
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: Ronnie Harrison back there? I mean, we assumed he'd be
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: the starter, but will he be That's what I'm saying.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: I think Thomas could beat him out. That would give
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: you said, Okay, let you say you argue with me
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: on Colin Johnson, but if Colin Johnson you take him
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: out of the equation. I still think there's a chance
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: that it could be six. And I don't think the
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: rookie what's the word. I can't Robinson. I don't think.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think he'll be the starting running back. I
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: think they're gonna go with Chris Stompson, a rotation by
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: almost to by committee. It could change week to week
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: depending on the that's fair, Okay, fine, I'll give you
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: six ft yeah, and then and then you'll and then
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: tell me how right I was about Colin Johnson being
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: in the rotation. I'll give you six. But it goes
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: to the bigger question. So let's say you have six rookies,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: then you have Josh Allen second year player. You have
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: Juwan Taylor second year player. Um, uh year player charts
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: the third year players. I mean you start going like, what,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: what's Westbrook? Four? Yes? Yes, well I think I mean
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: that's their thing. You look at the receiver position. Could
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Westbrook end up being the odd man out? Well, I
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: know he hasn't been on the field a lot lately.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: He's got the shoulder. He's going week to week, I know.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: But they like the god they like the what the
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: Godwin or Goodwin? He'll be a practice He'll be a
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: practice squad guy. And then then then don't you go
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: to the defense. David Bryant's only just what third year? Yep? Um,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Hamilton's rookie, you know, I mean Miles Jackson vetter, but
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: he was he four five what is he now? Five?
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: Five year? Yeah? I mean it wasn't a full time
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: starter a lot of those years. Either. There's a lot
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: of kids on this roster. It's a young team, which
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: is why particularly I think they're gonna get beat up
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: a little bit early in the season. Although they might
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: win on opening Day? How about that? Do you think
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: they're gonna beat the Colts? They might want to lock
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: it do you think they're gonna win? I'm not. I'm
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: not too early to lock it. There's only one games
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: on here. Think they'll beat the cold. They have a
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: legitimate chance. Yes, you have a chance every week, Pete.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: What are you talking about. That's the worst heat, the
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: heat on September Day. Colts haven't experienced that. Yeah, I
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: think they have it. They can. I'll tell you what
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: I know they can. I don't think they can't blown out.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: You've gone from I think they can. You know you
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: went to they can win? Well, I think they can. Well,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: they won't get blown out. What is it, Pete? I
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: mean you bounce a round the three? It's too early
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: to make a pick. Next week I'll make the pick.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Have you done your whole so I'm not doing it.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: They didn't want me. I wouldn't do it this year
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: because of the schedule. Week They weren't sure. That's week
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: week week sauce. Well, if it does and you don't
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: have this to go great, that's terrible. You know why?
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: You want to know why? They told him not to
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: do any more JP because he was so bad last
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: year at his picks. They said, Pete, don't do it again.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: You lose credibility. You know what, though, if I actually
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: went back and looked at my picks when I did that,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: compared to the picks I do on a weekly basis,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: I'd probably be better before the season. I had a
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: bad year picking games last year, so you know we
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: need you know that somebody else on this show. By
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: the way, I was that October guaranteed the playoffs. J Yeah,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: I think I think I remember that I had. It's
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: going to Are you gonna do that this year too? Um? Well,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: I have to wait and see. Oh my gosh, wait
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: and see you you don't believe that. I don't believe
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: what that they have any chance to go to the
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: post either. Yeah, they have a chance. Everyone has a
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: chance right now, but okay, legitimate chance. I mean, we
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: have a chance of getting struck by lightning tomorrow afternoon too,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: but it's probably not gonna happen. Well, I don't know.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: If I do, I'll be inside, so it'll be tough
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: to get me stuck by lightning. You're gonna be in
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: a plane soon. Um yeah, No. I mean it's a
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: young team. And that goes back to what I said
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: about practice. That's why I'm surprised they were in camp
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: the way they did, as young as they are. I
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: mean you had second year players getting maintenance days days
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: off basically. Um, And that's just I mean what you
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: just said, Pete. The youth of this team, the experience
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: of this team, new coachings that I mean, new offensive
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: coordinator on this team, Um, young quarterback. We even mentioned
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: that the quarterbacks to be a second guar player as well. Um,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: that's why, just the philosophy they took. And maybe it
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: don't work out, and I hope it does. Gosh, I
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: hope they come out and kill it. They're so fresh,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: they kill everybody. But it's it's gonna be an attractive
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: job for somebody if they do make changes, though, because
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: of all the draft picks and the money they have,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: we're already going there, Pete. You couldn't wait until at
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: least like no, I'm saying if Okay, let's it's if
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: they win seven games. It's an attractive job for the
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: guys who were there. Yeah, it's only it's only attractive
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: if you pick the right guys. But it's only attractive
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: if Gardner Minsho is any good. Yeah. Yeah, another question.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: We we mentioned some of those rookies. Is there any
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, Mensho is the guy obviously, but you know,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: is there a point like in this season and for
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: some reason then she's not playing well? Like you, there's
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: that run last year where he wasn't playing great. Is
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: there any chance that they put another one of these
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: guys in Lennon or even Looten, another rookie. Is there
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: a chance? There's always a chance, But I think they're
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: gonna go with Gardens Gardener until the wheels fall off completely.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: Like it's not gonna be, Hey, we gotta loose lub
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: Nut here and or we lost one tire, They're going
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: to lose all four tires of this thing. For Gardener,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: this is his year. This is his year. They got
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: to find out what he is, who he is. The
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: worst case scenario for them will be if he doesn't
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: prove he can be the long term answer and somehow
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: they still win four or five games and don't get
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: the number one overall time. That's the worst case scenario.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: If if they find out he's good and he's gonna
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: be the long term answer and you win four or
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: five games, that's okay. If you find out he's not good,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: you win four or five games. That's not okay because
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: that means you're not gonna be taking first. You don't
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: get Trevor Lawrence. So do you think he's the long
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: term answer? Pete? And you're I have I'll be honest
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: with you, Tony, you have to go back and watching
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: even more of them. I still don't know, and I
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: don't think they know, because how can you judge him
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: based on what he did last year? All those plays
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: where he got out of the pocket and scrambled around
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: and made plays. It's all exciting and stuff, but you
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: know how I think about the quarterback position. You gotta
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: go one, two, three, four and check down, not one
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: to get out and go make a play. So I
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: do think he's got a potential. You guys have been
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: around there more than I have this summer, you know,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: and I've heard nothing but really good positive things about him.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: We haven't been around there. I've been. And you go
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: to practice. All those other guys go to practice. Pry
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: goes to practice training cramp practice. So you went. You
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: meant over the summer off season, JP, you can't get
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: out of your house and go to training camp practice? Yeah? Everyone, Okay,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: So how does he look at training camp practice the
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: times has looked like where he looked like last year.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: That you know, he's still trying to work in that
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: arm strength a little bit from time to time. So
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: that's always to me, that's always gonna be an issue. Yeah,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: it's I he knows that. He said he's never gonna
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: have a plus arm in this league. He said that
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: the other week, but didn't it stand out And maybe
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: it was just me a little bit more and the
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: scrimmage didn't look like it just I mean, he's got
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: to be clean to make the throws that he has
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: to make. If he's got to throw a little bit off,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: you know, you've been around you know, guys, don't you
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: grew up watching Elway. If el Way was off just
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: a little bit or whatever with that, I mean, you
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: can still make the throws. Um, I think he's got
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: to be clean in the pocket to be able to
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: make the throw. He's gotta be able to step the throw,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: and I don't know if he's capable of doing that.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: So Pete, would he be like, is he like a
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: Chad Pennington who super smart recognizing stuff but just can't Yes,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: great competitor, Yes, that's a great, that's a great comparison.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: And Chad anything went to the championship game. Remember, I
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: mean he took took the Jets the couple of one
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: championship game. That's that might be one of your best
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: comparisons you've ever made on here, because that's exactly who
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: he might be. Chad, Chad Pennington and Jadon nice career
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: and Okay, but if he's Chad Pennington, then you're still
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: not gonna go down Lawrence. You're playing with him? Yeah, Um, well,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: would you say, Pete Chad Pennington maxed out his ability? Yes,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: and they didn't get your super Bowl? Right, So that's
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: what I mean. It's almost like if he plays well
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: and they win a couple of games, plays well and
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: not really good see for me. You gotta again. I
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: said this on Frandy Show. If he went for two touchdowns,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: what's the record? Yeah, I mean how much? How much
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: is the defense coming up? That's a big that's a
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: big number for any quarterback. Thought, DeShawn Way, They're they're
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: winning at least six. If he does that, Okay, then
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: that then then you have this eye at that moment
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: that he's your guy. Long terment. I mean Deshaun Watson
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: as a thrown from over twenty six stud ump passes
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: in any season. Think about that. It's true. So thirty
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: two or thirty thirty one, if heards, you'd have to
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: think he was your guy, right, Yeah, Yeah, I think
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: you're right, especially the second year player. Man. I think
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of it's when he does it to Pete.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: You know, you don't want to get those yards, like
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: we're getting beat by fifty and the whole second half
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: he's thrown at forty times a game from a few
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: years ago. Yeah, like just gets a little employed and
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: you're like, this isn't real. Um, yeah, you're probably right,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: you gotta it's hard to see how the numbers are.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: But again, though, if he if he if they win
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: six games and they don't decide he's the long term answer,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: that's the worst case scenario. The worst case because then
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: you're not gonna get large, you're probably not gonna get field,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: you probably won't even get trade Land the kid out
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: of North dakost state. So that's the worst case scenario.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: Six and not having him as the long term guy.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: One of deciding he's not the long term guy could
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: be the best case scenario. You don't want that, but
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: that could be the best case scenario. Well, if you
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: know he's not the long term guy, you want to win?
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: Zero games is what you want to win? Well, Tank,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: you don't take. I'm not saying you take no. Listen,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: I'm actually gonna do what Pete has masterfully done. Is
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: I'm separating the two. And I've never been able to
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: do this because as a player, you always want to
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: win and compete in every game. But if I sit
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: back right now and say, Okay, if I had to
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: choose winning four games and having the third pick or
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: zero games and having the first pick, I'll take zero
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: because I'm getting Trevor Lawrence. I'm getting the best player
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: in the draft. All Right, here's a question for you.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: If it's four winds or zero wins, if our David
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: Doug back to even make that decision, Oh, I don't think.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I mean, I'm not I'm
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: not saying them. I'm saying me as I'm looking at
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: the organization I'm I am actually putting on and I'm
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: saying as I love this organization, as you know, and
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: I want this thing to win. I want to I
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: want to watch Don con hold the Lombardi Trophy, and
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: I want to like I want to be in the
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: radio booth calling it, and I want to go on
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: the field and high five my friends, and like that
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: would be like important to me. Someone who's been a
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: part of this organization from the beginning, even though I
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: have very little to do it um in the current
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: role of being radio like we have very little do
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: with anything, but it'll be fun, it will be important
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: to me. Is someone who loves this organization, loves Jacksonville.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: And so if you're asking me, like I want one
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: or two things to happen this year, I want to
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: win seven, eight, nine, whatever, win the whole thing. And no,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: that Gardner Minshew is the guy, like he is on
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: the pathway to be in you know, a top ten
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: quarterback in this league, and like this is the guy
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: we're gonna build with instead of Chad Pennington, he becomes
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: Drew Brees whatever it is, Like he's the guy we're
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: gonna build around. And we know that for the next
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: ten years we have our guys, we're gonna build them
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: around with. That's one or I want to win zero
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: games and I want Trevor Lawrence or best case scenario
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: the Rams win no games. The best case, here's what
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: I really like. The better is to win the super Bowl.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: The Rams lose every game, and then we have a
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: really hard choice to make, because what do we do
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: with the first pick overall um of the draft. Could
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: you imagine if Gardner meant you let him to the
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: super Bowl victory and the greatest, one of the most
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: amazing seasons ever, and they had the first pick and
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: Tonty sit there banging the table draft Trevor, I would
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: do that. There's other good players. You trade it. What
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: you do then is you trade it for a whole
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: hall of picks, and then you have like four for
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: round and he can get revisited, get another Luke Joke
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: or another Justice Black. But you don't know I'm actually
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: taking p I'm not actually stepping back and saying, like
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: take the player side of it, the coaching side out
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: of it, like look at the big picture, Like I
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: want it's time this organization be relevant year in, year out.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: It's time for this organization not to be the story
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: of the biggest story of being what you know, first
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: round pick. We lost that left and they want to
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: be a part of this organization right comes with the
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: quarterback position. You gotta have the quarterback position solidified. And
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: so if that means we have to lose every game,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: because I'm now I'm saying, if Gardner Minshew isn't the
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: guy to lose every game and go get the guy.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: I wore him down JP. Finally years I warmed down.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: He's come over to Mike the dark side. It's just
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: true now it's I don't want to lose every game.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: I'm much rather you know, have this, you know, six
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: to nine or ten wins whatever, then gardeners the guy
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: and we can build around it and the ram stink
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: and we get more picks there whatever. It looks like
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: like that's more proverble to me because I want to win.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: But bottom line is, you gotta get a quarterback, and
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: you gotta get You've got a chance to get that guy.
• 1:19:13
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• 1:19:19
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• 1:19:29
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  Speaker 1: there's no patience for Frisco the weasel today? What what
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  Speaker 1: That's something to me on there, well, because I knew
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  Speaker 1: you'd come back and ask me why. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: where that came from one of those many many fans. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I didn't think of you as a weasel,
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  Speaker 1: If Dad have said that to you, you've blocked him. Probably,
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  Speaker 1: I don't block anybody anymore. Why not I just I
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  Speaker 1: don't tell my block m I just block him. You
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  Speaker 1: used to make a big dramatic and you're blocked kind
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  Speaker 1: of deal. Twitter has become like a little bit of assessment,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: a little bit really. Yeah, I'm not a fan of
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  Speaker 1: Twitter right now. I gotta be honest with you. No before,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not. I'm not leaving Twitter, just like
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  Speaker 1: it ebbs and flows with me. Sometimes it just gets
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: to be a lot. Yeah, I agree, never end. So
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: let's go to it now and start off with a
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  Speaker 1: team and underscore why now, why didn't we do this
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: head again to the offseason and give him a chance
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: to find somewhere else? Why did we hang on for
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: so long in this offseason that this was coming? And
• 1:25:01
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• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: trying to maximize and trying to get the pick. They
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: thought maybe if they held out that someone will get hurt,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: a team would have a need for the running back position.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: And they're trying to maximize the value, uh and create
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: something get some sort of return back, and they couldn't
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: and they got will put the best case scenario for
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: in terms of getting something back. What were you gonna
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: get back for you know, my point is, you know,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: maybe if a team gets they're starting running back hurt,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: they have a big need or something like that, maybe
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: get a fifth round or at least they could get nothing.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: And so they just said that finally the two weeks left,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: they're gonna start. The reason they did it now is
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: because they're gonna start game planning for the Colts. And
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: so why included guy you're not gonna use in the game.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: And that's that's it. It's not they didn't think he
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: was a fit for what they wanted to do that
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: would have something to do with the two and he
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: was the ability wasn't worth the pay. That's basically what
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: it came down. And and if he's not going to
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: mean that, if he's not gonna be the featured guy,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: I think there was a fear. What kind of guy
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: would he be in the locker room if he's not
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: getting the ball five times a game? Well, he wasn't
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: a great guy in the locker room when he was
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: getting the ball a game. Again, that's why I asked
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: the question. Question number two is from Jacob Reinhardt too.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: Do you think it's a legitimate question to wonder if
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: this team is tanking for Trevor Lawrence. I don't think
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: you try. I don't think you tank in the NFL,
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: and I don't think it works. Um, everyone thought that
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: Dolphins were taking last year and they ended up winning
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: like four or five games. Um, it just it's impossible.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: This isn't the NBA where you just put a bunch
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: of guys out there run around and nobody's gonna get
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: hurt or anything else. This is the football. If you
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: try to tank, people get hurt. And you have a
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: bunch of guys out there that are gonna fight and
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: kick and scratch and claw and do everything they can,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: and you have coaches that are fighting for their jobs. That, um,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: the way the game of football works. You're gonna win
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: a couple of just I mean, now you might lose
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: them all. We've seen that. It's a rarity. But I
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: think it's too hard to try to take. Guys are
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: too competitive. Well, you know what you do, Start looting
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: by October one, Start three more rookies than the ones
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: I said, and then you'll be taking. Okay, I mean
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: the point is this Tony's points. Because you take, then
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: that guy's gonna take your job. That's how that works.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: So taking is not a real thing, and it's hard
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: to lose every game, and no matter how bad you are,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: it's only happened twice, right league history? That right? I
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: mean the Bucks and the Lions boat did it? Yeah Brown,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: that's right, Yeah, so three times? Arch with tal has
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: next question, do you think after the final game last season,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: the front office believes that the Jags offense is better
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: when not centering around? And do you think the offense
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: is better slash, more diverse or explosive without Well, they do,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. They think it's better without him,
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: otherwise he'd be here if they thought maybe better with seven.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: I agree with Pete. I think the style play they
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: wanted to do one back Gardner Minshoo's better at the shotgun,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: which is more zone scheme stuff, and uh I don't
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: think they felt like that was the perfect fit for
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: Leonard for net and j Gruden came in the offense
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: that he wants to run, probably spread you out a
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: little bit more. They want to play in space, and
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: uh so I think they feel like they're a better
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: team without Leonard for Nette. Now it might be hard
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: for the fan base and people and the national media
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: to say, you know, that makes no sense. Um but
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: I think you can make a pretty strong case to
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: be watching tape and kind of how they want to play. Well. Also,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: remember he didn't play in Week seventeen last year, and
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: they seem to be okay without them. It didn't. In fact,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: the times Armstead one, Armstead looked to be a better runner.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: Um so, and I again, somebody said to me that
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: he's trimmed down. He looks quicker Farmstead. Is that true?
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: Uh not? No, small to me? Okay, but again, not
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: having him in week seventeen didn't They didn't miss him
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: to beat a bit. I didn't think, well they won. Well,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: that's not necessarily his fault that they don't win games.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: I didn't say that. My point is they were productive
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: moving the ball offensively Armstead zigba and zigbu or zigbaigbo.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: He didn't have me. He didn't have it right on
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: either one of those over What did that? You had
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: the A and the U? How did you How did
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: you say the backup left tackle last year? How do
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: you say his name? Who the stiff? Uh? Oh no,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: it's not try again, No, the stiff. It's I already
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: gave him that who final questions from a Jay McMahon,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: given all the offseason moves he and got way trade
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: and for Net being waves, do you all believe Shad
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: Khan is giving this regime and season to see this through? Yeah?
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: I don't no, which is why it's much more curious
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: as to why they did it. But again, you had
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: to do it. I understand it, but you would think Again,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: it's a football decision, it's not any other decision. They
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: felt that the Gather guys were better for what they
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: wanted to do, So I think, yeah, I think Doug, I,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: I Dug in the staff feel like they have a
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: better chance of winning games with the without letter for
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: net back there. Whether they're right or wrong, that's debatable.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: I think that's what they think. Hmm. So here's the
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: question that we talked about this before. What's it take
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: to ensure that they're around than? I think that's hard.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: And again I'll ride the fence like all ride the
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: fence like pet did last week. I think it's how
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: does it look like? Is it they win six? Is
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: it like they're getting better throughout the year and they're
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: peaking at the end and they end up winning. They
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: go uh two and h two and six the first half,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: but they go forward for the second half and beat
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: some good teams and there and they know they go
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: forward and four at the end and to those four
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: losses are last second field goal, you know, last second drive.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: So it's like they are one of the they're competitive,
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: they're you know, they got the quarterback going. Um. That
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: feels a lot different if they win six games but
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: they get blown out in the other ten and they
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: were lucky to win three of those six. Can you
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: think about last year? I think about last year? They're
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: six and ten? Right were there? Were there five and eleven?
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: Last year? What were they five? Six? Then? I can't
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: remember remember they were? They won five okay five games.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: So if those eleven losses that they had, were there
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: any of those eleven games that they lost where you're like, boy,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: they had a chance they should have won that game
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: because I did this, And the answer is now there
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: was six and ten? Yeah, those four, Yeah, those ten
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: losses they had, there wasn't any of those ten that
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: you're like, wow, they should have won that game, like
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: they were like it was never like never in doubt.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: If you look at the six wins they had, like
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: you could easily they like the Denver game, it took
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: a miraculous crazy play by Minshew. They had like at
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: the end, come back and like amazing. The Raider game,
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: they had no business. I mean, if the official just
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: doesn't mess up the call when he slides out of bound,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: the game's over literally like and you can like go
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: through it. So like it didn't. It felt like, boy,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: they were lucky to get six. Now when you go
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: back to your like nineties six season, when you could
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: do that with every single game, there's something you should
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: have won, many you should have lost. No, I agree that,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: but that's how most teams are. You're missing my point
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: of the ten. Tell me one they should have won,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: That's my point. There weren't any. They were all like
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: sound defeats. So if all of a sudden, you end
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: up six and ten this year and like you should
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: have won like four of those and you just couldn't
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: finish and you finished strong, then they stay. Then they stay.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: They I think they have a chance. I really do
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: think it takes eight wins for them to stay. Um
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: it's my gut, but I mean, but I could see
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: a case being made. If they win six the right way,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: that maybe you bring them back. I think they got
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: to get to eight for sure. We'll find out Tony's
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: already guaranteed eight, nine or ten. Remember do they have
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: like what would the chances of them get into eleven?
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: B right now? Just give me like one in so
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, I'm not gonna say, well, whatever
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: you want to know according to Pete, So that's one.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to trap him so that by the end
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: of the year we get have Tony said eleven, we'll
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: go in ninety six. You guys stunk and you won
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: nine games that got hot at the right time. Yeah,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: he's not even paid attention anymore because I don't want
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: to get trapped. We're back headline, don't we another headline? JP?
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  Speaker 1: Has it felt that way to you know, it hasn't.
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  Speaker 1: I mean the training camp practice has helped a little
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  Speaker 1: bit for me, just because everything had been done here
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  Speaker 1: at the house until then. And then finally to go
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  Speaker 1: on the field and actually see football things happening, which
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  Speaker 1: was a good step in the right direction. But no,
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  Speaker 1: you're right. Until there's actual regular games on television, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it'll feel close to that. So, um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: wasn't an FBS a big time college football game, So
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  Speaker 1: you haven't even seen the big boys in college football
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  Speaker 1: out there yet either you won't for the next couple
• 1:39:50
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  Speaker 1: you know that. Right. We get some college football this weekend,
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  Speaker 1: which is good. Yeah, it's positive to step in the
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: right direction. We'll take it. I still can't believe the
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: big ten in the pack twelve our play and that's ridiculous,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: you know. Now there's the talk that they were discussing
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: starting after around Thanksgiving instead now, um, but I don't
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: know where that all ended up. So um, you know,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: and we'll still see you know, the SEC is what
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: the September is the first game that's that's a long
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: way away. Still a lot of things canna happen good
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: and bad between that, but it seems like it's trending
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: in the right direction now, right right right? Sure? Um,
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, there you go. Let's go around the SEC
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  Speaker 1: south beat or waiting on Mr Basel to get back
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: with us here. The Houston Texans agree to terms with
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: that Cunningham linebacker. The new extension worth four team and
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: a half million per year in new money average. That
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: is a lot of money. Four years, fifty eight million dollars.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: He's a good player, though, one of those JP is
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: one of those players that most fans have no idea about,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: and he's really good. He can run, he's athletic, he's tough.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: I think you know, that's a lot of money for
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: an inside linebacker. But he's one of the better players
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: on their defense now. And remember that's a defense that's
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: in big time transition, So keeping him around made a
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: lot of sense. I like that move. I think he's
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: a good player. Yeah, they have had so many changes
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: around there over the last little time. He's what he
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: would call on underrated player in the NFL. About that
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: hunting him, That hunting Tony. Oh, we've we've lost Tony.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: He is now muted. That's not a bad thing with
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: cells muted, right. Um, the question now he is who's
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: next time? DeShawn Watson is really the next big guy. Yeah,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: they're gonna sign him. They're gonna give him a mega contract.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: It's just it's not gonna be Patrick ma Home. It's
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: just not going to be. So here's a question for you. Sorry, exactly,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: I heard you, guys, I was talking, but I was muted.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: Then I hit the wrong button. It hung up on us.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's terrible. Um, exactly, he's a good player, Pete,
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: that's a big deal. And you haven't taken care of
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: de Shaun Watson yet. Um. And with what Mahomes put
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: out there, which I would not pay Deshaun Watson that
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: kind of money. He is not Patrick Mahomes. Um. But
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: it's interesting. I was surprised they went that strong with Cunningham.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: But as you and I know, Pete and JP you
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: know this as well. You always can find cat money,
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: Like how do the Chiefs pay everyone all this money?
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: I mean you can find they're paying Kelsey, the Homes,
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: Chris Jones, Harry Kill, you know, Fishers getting paid. The
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: left tackle, Schwartz makes good money, the right tackle. I mean,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: you always could find money. There's like there's more creative
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: ways money. You know that he will. But what would
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: you pay Watson somewhere thirty five? It's a lot of money, man.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess it's amazing. Now. The perception is
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: he has never thrown more than twenty six touchdown pasts.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: This he that's incredible to me. And he won one
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: playoff He's won one playoff game, and that's because the
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: Bills couldn't score against you and I. Pete, Yeah, they
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: should have won that. They should have build Buffalo should
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: have won that game too. I know. Let's get to
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Col's rookie safety Julian Blankman came off that
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: don Football injury list healthy enough to practice. Now he
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: tours a c L in December in the Pact World
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  Speaker 1: Championship Game. Now nine and a half months after the injury,
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: what are they expecting out of him? Peak an Indy Well,
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, you hope. You don't know a guy's coming
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: off that injury, that's a big deal. I mean, you know,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: you don't know what kind of player he's gonna be,
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: So yeah, you're hoping you get the best out of him.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: But you know, Tony, when you come back out that
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: kind of injury, you never know. Yeah, he's not gonna
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: be right for a little bit. I mean, he'sn't taking
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: time to get going, and you probably won't have the
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: full picture of what he is maybe thought second half
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: of this year or even next year. And then finally,
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans are working out kickers, but Vic Beasley
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: also reported the camp a week after it open and
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: still hasn't practiced with the team. As we're moved into September, Pete,
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: are you expecting? What are you expecting? How to Vic?
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: What's the story there? I don't know if he loves
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: the game, you know, so maybe he's just jaking it
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: for a while. I don't know. You know, you know
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: Tony you did games doing in Atlanta that does he
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: love the game? I mean that was the book on him,
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: that he wasn't one of those guys that loved the game.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: And so I don't know what's going on with him there.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: He's not that good. No, he's not that good. He's
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: a one trick pony. From the standpoint, he can run
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: fast in a straight line around a deep an offensive tackle. Uh.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: Typically he beats tackles who aren't very good. Yeah, he
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: led the league in sacks. He might be the worst
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: league leader in sacks all time. Seriously, Wow, you have
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: I look around the a f C South. What do
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: you think about the Titans before we come back? I
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: know we gotta go JP, But when I know you're
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: not a big believer in the Titan, I actually changing
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: my opinion. I think they'll be the second best team
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: in the a f C South, um behind behind the Colts.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: They're gonna and I think they're gonna get one of
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: the wild card spots. I don't know if they'll get
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: a wild card spot, but they'll be in there. Typical three.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: There's three wild card spots this year. Peter one of them. Okay,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: the Broncos could get one of them. The Chargers could
• 1:45:35
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• 1:45:39
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• 1:45:41
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• 1:45:44
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• 1:45:46
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• 1:45:48
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• 1:45:51
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• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: New England could be a playoff team, right, the wild
• 1:45:58
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• 1:46:05
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  Speaker 1: In the final moments here, Anthony Limb, So the Chargers
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: are not looking at Earl Thomas. He should teams look
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: in Earld Thomas. No, particularly teams that have a nice
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: set group of guys. And the reason I say that
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: is I think he's gonna rock the boat. I think
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: he's a rock the boat teammate. He's uh, and he's
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: not that good anymore. I mean he's thirty, he turns
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: thirty two next year. I just don't think he's that
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  Speaker 1: good at it. So why go pay a guy like
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: that when you know there's gonna be issues. If the
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  Speaker 1: Hard to argue that. There's not many things that Pete
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: says really siscinctly and correctly the first time. But nailed
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: that one. Pete, I always do bot On. It's like
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: football law comes out of his mouth. Yeah, no one,
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  Speaker 1: no one would say that, But that's okay, football law.
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  Speaker 1: Um Alvin Kamara has missed three days now over his
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: contract to New Orleans unexcused absences. According to the Saints,
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: he's said to make only two point one million this
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: year in the final year of his rookie deal. Will
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: he get that deal? Pete? What are his options? I mean,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: what what's he gonna do? Sit out the season? He
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: can't the way the current c B A as you
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: can't sit out the season, So I mean you can,
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: but it's a disaster, no way. But isn't he getting
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: find big dollars right now to under the new Yeah? Yeah,
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: they can't forget and they can't forgive it. Yeah, he's Uh,
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: he's making a major mistake. It back in negotiate your deal.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: You'll get a new deal. You're a top running back again.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: Though if he's running back position, he's running back contracts,
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: they're gonna get smaller and smaller. They're not gonna get bit.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: Isn't Dalbin Cook hold now too? Of Minnesota? He came back.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: But you know, then there's talk of Joe Mixon. Remember
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: he's in his contract year two and he has my
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: grains now. But I asked Zach Teller today about it.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: He said he's back and he'll be back. So these
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: running backs they look around and lead. They say, hey,
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: I only have so many earning years in my body.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: I get my money, and Christian McCaffrey got his, and
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: they're all, you know, hoping to get the same thing. Yeah,
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: but none of them are quite that good. Pretty really like,
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: I like, if I was listening, guys, I'd pay McCaffrey's first,
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: because what you can do as a receiver, I mean
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: you can line them anywhere. Um. Camaro is probably second,
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: he's right there, not quite as dynamic as a receiver.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: And then I would put Dalvin Cook quite third. Um,
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: and I think Joe Mixing, Yeah, he's good, but I
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: mean he's more of a UM he's not He's not
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: as good down in the back. No other news around
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: the league. Defensive back Logan Ryan headed the Giants one year,
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: seven and a half million dollars and close to his college,
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: and their quarterbacks might be heading to jail, so he
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: had to do something. You think about that, you know,
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: they thought DeAndre Baker was going to be one of
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: their starting quarterbacks and he got involved in the situation
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: down here where allegedly he was involved in an arm robbery.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: So they had to do something it makes sense for them. Yeah,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised Logan Ryan's on the street that long. He didn't.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: You have a pretty good year last year in Tennessee,
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: Pete the Pro Bowl. Yeah, I think he might have
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: been waiting for the right opportunity to know that's a
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: that's a good one year contract for a guy to
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: go in there and start right because there was situation
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: is perfect for LSU. Why receiver Jamarchchase is opting out
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: of the college football season and he just adds to
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: the list of guys feete that are skipping this last
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: year of college and with the unknowns around the season
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: to go to the NFL. Well, they're following Nick Bosa's lead.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: When he did it at Ohio State, it wasn't the
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: same pyper situation, but he did it. I mean, let's
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: be honest, hurt though, but he got hurt head after. Yeah,
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: he could have come back, Tony, he took it off
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: to go platt and go get ready for this for
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: the NFL. Yeah, but different to me because Nick Bosa
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: was not gonna sit out if he didn't get hurts
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: Alas he said, this kid sitting out before he ever
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: plays one game. I like her, like come back And
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: then he said no, I'm gonna get ready for the draft.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: And it hurt him. Okay, no, but it was different.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: He wasn't gonna come back to the bowl game. It
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: was the season was over. Basically, he had foot surgery.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: Two different things. This kid is healthy. I don't like it.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: And if I was a GM, I wouldn't like it either. Oh,
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: if I was a GM, I wouldn't care. I get
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: ready for the NFL. Go protect your money. Come on, Tony,
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: you're better than that. You know better than that. So
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: why go to college at all? Pete? Why not just say,
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: hang out after high school until you be eligible? And
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: you know what, that's eventually coming. There's gonna be because
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: because right now that college football has a they basically
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: a free minor league for the NFL. Eventually you're gonna
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: have a minor league and these guys are going to
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: go to college some of them. Do you what's college
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: football too? You get go play if you're ready, if
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: you're gonna beat de mar Chase, you're gonna be a
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: high first round pick. Why would you go play the season? Um?
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: And I know you you are a self wish yourself.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: Wish can be damn thing because you wanted if you
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: love your school for ye love you. If you get hurt,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: he gets to do the victory side after the game.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: That's why, that's why Tony wants to do it absolutely.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: And by the way, I've asked many gms over the
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: years about this. They don't give it. Damn go back
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: to do you go back Pete? Just let him, you know,
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: even after the freshman year, like Maurice Clarette, right, that
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: was the big fight with him and it wouldn't have
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: worked out for But that's his decision. I don't I
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: don't like it in those kind of cases. But if
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: you're Jamar chasing, you're gonna be a high first round
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: pick no matter what. Why would you play set record,
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy winner. I don't know. Do you write checks
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: with that? Well? You can also you can get insurance
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: if you get hurt, you get paid. That's not gonna
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: get you to your second contract that you know, the
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: big money is in the second contract, Tony. Yeah, but
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: there's no guarantee he's gonna do a second contract. But
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: you got you gotta do everything in your power to
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: try and get to that second contract and not playing
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: this year is the first step to that. You have
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: look around. Tony can talk about competitive drive and doing
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: it for the school and everything else. I know him.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: I know him. You would have sat out at USC
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: you were guaranteed we will pick you second overall next
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: draft before the college season, would you have played? Guaranteed? Yeah,
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: guaranteed you're going first or second next draft? Second? So
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: would you you were guaranteed to go second? Would you
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: have played your senior season? Beat the business side of it.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: I actually I'm not gonna see and act like I'm
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: gonna argue against young the business side that's a fair point.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: But I'll say this, I have a lot of great
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: memories and after doing it all and playing both pro college,
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: I loved my senior in college. It was I had
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: so much fun. I really did. I loved it and
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: it was a big part of my memories of the
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: game of football that I love playing. Because I loved
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: playing football, And so I don't know if I would
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: from a business case, I can't argue that with you. Pete.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: You're right, it doesn't make sense from a business standpoint,
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: but from a lifestyle and what you love to do
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: and like you love the game and like the memories
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: I have and what I gotta do and going to
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: the Cop Bowl and hanging out with my friends and
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: the like those moments, Like I don't know if I
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: had to try those. Plus you took a pay cut
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: to come into gam That's not true. I didn't get paid.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying. You only played half
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: the the Cotton Bowl. You only played the first half anyway,
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: And I'm in the Hall of Fame. Um, but pace,
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying that that means something. Yeah, no,
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: I get I'll be honest with you. Like in all series,
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: is like the reason I'm in the College Football Hall
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: of Famous because I played my senior year did really good.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: Like that's something that's a pretty cool honor that money
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: can't buy, and that's not going away, like a hundred
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: years from now when they go look at that thing,
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm dead and gone and my great
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: great grandkids and go up to Atlanta and look at
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: the dang thingg and and be like, hey, my, that's
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: my grandpa or my great grandpa or whatever. From a
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: business standpoint, I get it. But to me and now
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: being serious, it's not all about dollar and cents. It's
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: just not it's not but and that's why that's why
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: I don't buy it. It's for me. Now do I
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: need do? I think we need to reform college football
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: and we need to look at how we do it
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: and in the whole economic model and everything else. Would
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: you let me answ you this. If you were playing
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: at USC right now and they can't anceled the season,
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  Speaker 1: you could transfer, go play another I would transfer? You
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  Speaker 1: would I would you? I mean, if you were guaranteed
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  Speaker 1: to be a top TED pick, you'd still transfer. Go play.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's a good That's that's an interesting like not
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  Speaker 1: having a relationship. I don't know. Maybe I would look
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  Speaker 1: at it because it's not like your fields. If your
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  Speaker 1: feet justin fields, would you go try and play somewhere?
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  Speaker 1: I'll say this if I was if I was in
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  Speaker 1: that situation, and let's say I'll just say Alabama, because
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  Speaker 1: JP loves Alabama and they're a good football team in
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: Alabama said listen, you're gonna be our starting left tackle.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna win a national title. Have be free, Daniel Loring.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just bad that Arizona State stop
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  Speaker 1: playing this year because this is a year that the
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  Speaker 1: year okay Pee Pete Frisco totale was s more than
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: just money