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Real Football: Packers? Lions? Seahawks? Cowboys? Finding the NFC’s best L.A. Rams slayer... · Go Long Podcast

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  SPEAKER_01: Hey, what's going on, everyone?
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  SPEAKER_01: Tyler Dunne here at Golong.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for making real football with my co-host, Jim Monis, part of your life.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is such a fun episode.
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  SPEAKER_01: We posted up live at EBC,
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  SPEAKER_01: So this was fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: Really enjoyed talking football with Jim Onis.
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  SPEAKER_01: This episode, we touch on those Buffalo Bills as always, but we look at the NFC.
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  SPEAKER_01: Last week we did the AFC.
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  SPEAKER_01: This week, who are the heavy hitters in the NFC this 2026 NFL season?
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  SPEAKER_01: Man, what a good time hanging out in my hometown, drinking a beer or two.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks so much, everyone.
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  SPEAKER_01: Enjoy this episode.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dissecting everything NFC and, of course, a touch of Bills as well.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_02: What is football?
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_02: 18 games.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_02: September.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_01: Week one lies.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know that week one lies.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_01: I can't wait, though.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_02: I can't.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_01: You hold up the schedule, and then it lies.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_02: You do know I will have in-depth breakdowns on Bain.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_02: Give me another guy I went off on.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, no, this linebacker for the Giants, Reese.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_01: Arbel Reese, you're out.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_01: You're out on Reese.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, taking on fullbacks?
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  SPEAKER_00: Top five.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's what we're bragging about?
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  SPEAKER_01: That's where football's won.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_01: I want a little linebacker, fullback, Oklahoma drill in
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  SPEAKER_02: the hole.
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  SPEAKER_02: I remember in the fifth and sixth round liking guys like that.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah?
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  SPEAKER_01: Not in the first.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: So you see some telltale signs that are a little concerning.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's some guys.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm excited to follow those guys.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_02: I'm fascinated with the Giants right now.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_02: That division is wide.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_02: I think Washington's crazy.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_02: Dallas is, we all, we know they're too good to be true.
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  SPEAKER_02: Philly is ultimate.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that division is a complete,
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  SPEAKER_02: in my opinion, that's the one division I'm like, oh,
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you look at the Washington Commanders.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what in the hell is going on in the offensive line,
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_01: but there's a lot to like there too.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: Jaden Daniels,
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  SPEAKER_01: I feel like the entire football world is,
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  SPEAKER_01: Forgotten about him and what he can do if he is zero to 60 to your point at arm.
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  SPEAKER_02: If he's what he was and they added some dudes on defense,
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  SPEAKER_01: their defense will be completely different.
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  SPEAKER_01: Would anybody be surprised if they just boomerang back into being a nine, 10, 11 win team?
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to Dallas because I like Dak out all those quarterbacks the most as far as
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  SPEAKER_02: to trust right now with what he has around them.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_02: Hurts, you know how I feel about him, his system.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Dallas is interesting.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_01: Christian Parker fixing that defense.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_01: If they're just average, it's the same conversation we have
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  SPEAKER_02: every year.
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  SPEAKER_02: Perfect comparison.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_02: I can't buy into Cincy yet.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: All right, well, that's our cold open.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_01: We are live in my hometown, Ellicottville, New York, baby.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_01: I was able to coax Jim Onis, my co-host here at Real Football, down to glorious EBC News.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_01: Ellicott Brewing Company, just fantastic beers here on all the taps.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously the blueberry, that's a go-to.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_01: Let's get it right here.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_02: Well, they always have so many.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to couple the Charge right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm going with the Charge,
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  SPEAKER_01: Crushable American Game Day Lager, and then I'm going to pivot to Fan Zone later.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some two football-themed beers here at EBC.
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  SPEAKER_01: But, man, it has grown so much.
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  SPEAKER_01: The town has blown up since I was in high school down here in Ellicottville.
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  SPEAKER_01: Anything different to you?
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  SPEAKER_01: I know this was a getaway probably for you and Doug in your Bill's heyday.
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  SPEAKER_02: And still live here, so I like to come down here a couple times every year.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's
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  SPEAKER_00: part of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're in Ellicottville.
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  SPEAKER_01: You get stung.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_02: I miss drinking when I'm here, though.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_02: I do miss drinking.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like I should help you out right now.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_02: You need a partner.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_02: And these beers sound good at EBC, which everybody comes to.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_02: Places always filled up.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the joke's on me,
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_01: though, Jim,
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  SPEAKER_01: because,
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, last night we had a fantasy draft, and it was, this one was just Yahoo.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, I can't not drink while picking players.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_01: No.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I had a glass and a half of whiskey, actually, evil distillery.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_01: My old high school teammate, Brian Scharf, has got an excellent distillery down here as well.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_01: If you like bourbon, check it out.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's fantastic.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_01: So I was sipping on that,
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  SPEAKER_01: and then I forgot that, yeah,
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_01: Friday morning is circuits at Rock City Fitness,
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  SPEAKER_01: my sister's gym, and that 4 a.m. alarm went off.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was feeling it.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was feeling it.
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  SPEAKER_02: 39 years old.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_02: Do you put in research for your fantasy?
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_02: I'm curious.
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  Oh, man.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's a great question.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_02: I'm trying to see your level of commitment.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_01: So the level of commitment is...
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_01: What's less than 0% right now in terms of preparation for a fantasy track?
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_02: I always use 0.0 from Animal House.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_02: Lutarski's GPA is what I always say, 0.0.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: I played fantasy my whole life, started this league.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_01: Our other league is all family members.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_01: And started that in 97.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I was 10 years old.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that was back when the USA Today came out on Monday and I would just add up the scores.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: You didn't know if you won until Monday, adding up yards and touchdowns and all of that.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_01: Late games.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, late games.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: So back then, even up until having kids, it was pretty intense.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I'd make my own list and do all that.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_02: Keyword, did I just hear kids?
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm saying.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_02: I got you.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_01: Work slash kids.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: this is a busy time for covering pro football,
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_01: wrapping up these season preview features, planning things out for the year.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, it's the kids.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: We're at six, five, and one.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: School just started.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_01: It was, you know, it's funny.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_01: As I told Gina, I said, look, I'll take him through the baths.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'll read some books here, but the draft's at eight.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_01: By 735, 740, I need to put in at least 15 to 20 minutes of research here before the draft.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_01: And that's exactly what I did.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_01: I found a Matthew Barry column.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, I texted Matt.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: He's great, great dude.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's a strong flex.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: I said, hey.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's a strong flex.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_02: Well, did your league know that you did that?
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, they can.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_01: You just broke news.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if that's allowed.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_02: Matthew Barry assistance.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: Trust me, I am at no advantage covering football
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_02: and fantasy
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: football.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_02: I tell everybody with fantasy football,
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_02: when I used to play a long time ago, I don't care that I worked in the NFL.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_02: They used to say, I'm not letting you in this fantasy league.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like,
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_02: if I could predict stats and actual what's going to happen in games,
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't be in this league.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I promise you I wouldn't be playing fantasy if I actually could tell you what's going on.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_02: Like, to your point,
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_02: working in the NFL, knowing football does not help you in fantasy or gambling.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: At all.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, at all.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_02: At all.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's fun, though.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_02: I like the league.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_02: I like when you have, like, longtime leagues, friends from high school.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_02: The banter's usually tough.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_02: Like, good banter.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's the best.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, 100%.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the old message boards on myfantasyleague.com with second cousins,
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_01: Button heads, some legendary tails there in our family.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_02: Was there a reach,
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_02: like a first round reach that everybody said who,
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_02: like, I'm curious, like, was there a player that's like, whoa.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: I probably got the most, and for what it's worth, Yahoo, they do their instant AI draft grades.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: I got a D-.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: So that's my,
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: and I think why,
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: I did take old Tootin there in Jacksonville at the very top of the third round.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_01: I mean- I will say,
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: in our predictions, we just completely forgot about the Jags and the Jaguars.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_01: And a Jags fan called us out on it, and I
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_02: loved it.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_02: Let's talk about them.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's funny you're saying that.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_02: I just told somebody that's one team I have completely...
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_02: I refuse to believe in.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: That's the way I'm going to say it.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_02: I refuse to think they're good.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_02: We'll talk about it.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_02: For somebody to say that we just skipped over them in those predictions is completely true.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_02: I remember thinking...
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_02: No, I'm like, no, I don't think they can do it again.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm not a believer.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_02: I like the coach.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_02: I like the roster.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_02: It looks good.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_02: There's talent.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_02: What are we not?
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let's get into Jacksonville.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_02: What is it?
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, for me, I'm just not a Trevor guy.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_02: I can't get into him enough to think he is going to be able.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_02: Now, not that he's not good.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: He's just on that cusp of,
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_02: I talk about all the time,
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_02: you have to self-evaluate as an NFL team after the season and be correct
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_02: on your team.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_02: Carolina's going through it, Bryce Young.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_02: Houston's going through it with CJ Stroud.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_02: Are they the guy to get you to where you need to go?
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like with Lawrence,
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like I know there's people that question him coming out of college.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_02: Is he truly a one?
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_02: Is he the guy, the number one pick guy?
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_02: I think what he's proven is He's a good starter if everything else is around.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_02: A defense, a running game, like a lot of quarterbacks.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_02: A good system quarterback.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's what he is, and that's where I'm at with him.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_02: In the AFC, that doesn't do it for me.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_02: If I thought Lawrence was a tad better, I think I could buy into Jacksonville.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: I don't trust him enough to buy into him.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_02: I just think there's too many good quarterbacks in the AFC I have ahead of him.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's a strong argument, Jim.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's where I'm at, yeah.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's probably where I'm at.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's better
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: than C.J.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: Stroud.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if I could say that yet.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like they're on that.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_02: I'm right there with you.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_02: I like what I've seen from Stroud more, but to be honest, I wouldn't argue that.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_02: I would not argue Trevor and Stroud.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: Where's the special with this team?
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: Is the dude that terrifies you on the entire roster, right?
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_01: We were having that conversation with the Bills defense last week
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: and you made some great points there, but I don't know if I did.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you've got Josh Allen, a quarterback.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, that's the play a certain brand of chaos defensively.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm looking up there.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like we're getting to with Jacksonville.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_01: When you look at their depth chart and your game planning for this team,
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think there's one or two.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_01: A plus a level players that jumps off the screen.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_01: But they're deep.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: They're solid.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: They did beat up your Denver Broncos last year, correct?
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, not really.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: Not in the playoffs.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: Not in the regular season, they took it to them.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_02: That's fair.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_02: You know how I feel about the regular season.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I hear you.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_02: No, I'm not trying to say Jacksonville's not good.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_02: But to your point, okay,
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_02: now here's the receiver that everybody's that we need to get
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_02: on is Parker Washington.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_02: That is the guy.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_02: That I feel like we're going to find out more about him.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_02: And if he is,
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_02: like Brian Thomas,
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_02: who has been a complete,
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_02: you just can't win Super Bowls with guys that are going to break your heart.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_02: But we know about his talent.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_02: I think now, is Parker Washington a six-round pick?
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_02: Is he really this good?
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_02: I like what I've seen.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_02: I need to study more before I want to say.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_02: We have a question at running back.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_02: Do we really believe in the running back?
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_02: So the question marks, I think, are what preventing us.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_02: And then you're in the AFC.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Lawrence did throw for 4,000 yards and 29 touchdowns.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, everybody's.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_02: He's pretty good.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm not saying he's not good.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_01: The offense is a juggernaut with that coach, too.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: And that's where I'd be.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_02: I like the coach.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: After we submitted our predictions and I heard from this Jag fan,
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: that's where my mind went is the coach, Liam Cohen.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: I do like it.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: Everything you hear about him around the NFL is he's somebody
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: that drives his assistants very hard.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: He's got a plan.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: He sticks to it.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_01: I like his attitude.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't ask you to do anything he wouldn't do himself, and then his acumen offensively.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: He was able to do that in year one with Trevor Lawrence,
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: another offseason, regardless of these names on the screen.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_02: So we'll talk about it.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to be tracking Reuben Bain for Tampa all year,
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_02: obviously, because we do know that the NFL has no chance to block Reuben Bain.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_02: Just like Aaron Donald, who's coming back, we now have no chance to block him.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_02: Believe it or not, the last year he played, I did check.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_02: He went 10 games without a sack.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_02: I know it's hard to believe.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_02: I just saw a nice game.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_02: They just showed every block when he played Dallas the one year and went
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_02: against Zach Martin and got absolutely annihilated against Zach Martin.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_02: My point is,
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_02: I know these guys are obviously Aaron Donald's an all-timer,
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_02: but my goodness, we just rushed.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody can win, and these guys can't block Aaron Donald or Reuben Bain.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_02: I just need to think we just got to take a little pause on these unblockable players
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_02: and let's see what happens.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_02: Another guy that I think is going to be exposed is Travis Hunter.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_02: I said this in the draft.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_02: He's got to be a corner.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_02: Receiver, you're a dime a dozen, six foot.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_02: At the end of the day, he's not a blazer.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_02: He's a good speed.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: He's got great hands, but he's not a great route runner, which is interesting for a corner.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_02: When you watch Travis Hunter as a corner in college,
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_02: especially when he went against the two NFL receivers he went against at Colorado in
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_02: the Arizona...
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_02: Stanford, I believe, were the two NFL receivers that he went against.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_02: He got destroyed, couldn't cover him, got out muscled, and he doesn't have a real fluid.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_02: He's not a fluid like cover, quick twitch guy because he is six feet.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_02: He's got unbelievable length and ball skills as a corner.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_02: If you throw near him, it can get picked, which is his rare quality as a corner.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_02: It's why you want him.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_02: It's why I thought he should always be a corner because of the ball skills.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_02: But he has cover issues.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think he's true speed.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_02: So I think Travis Hunter,
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_02: Reuben Bain, Donald, like these guys, I'm paying attention to a lot of these guys.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: Point is, was that a wasted pick for Jacksonville?
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: There is like this subset of cult heroes that develop through the course of
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: a seven-month lull in the calendar, right?
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: There's no games from the first week of February to the first week of September.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's a lot of time for the legends to build and for the memes to meme and for X to be X.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: And there's Reuben Bain with the really cool face mask.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: I think he'll be better than you do.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, if speed and athleticism matter for defensive ends,
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_02: which they do, the guy has limited athleticism and speed.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_02: There's a reason he didn't work out at the Combine Ours Pro Day.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_02: Fine.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_02: Then doesn't mean he's not a good, tough player with hand use and power, which he has.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just saying,
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_02: usually guys that have speed and athleticism are the guys that you are terrified of.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_02: A guy that is just pure power,
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_02: there's tackles that are going to be like,
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_02: okay, I'm in for a long day against Reuben Bain.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_02: But if there's no fear of running by you or making you miss as a tackle,
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_02: which I like to say when you give that little juke move, I mean,
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_02: I think some of those tackles will take that over going against,
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_02: the guys that are just going to could blow by you or hit that counter move
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_02: and dart back inside.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_02: That's my point on Bane.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and you make a great point on how these narratives can really build up.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Travis Hunter into that 2025 NFL draft,
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: I was taking a hook, line, and sinker of this being a transcendent level talent.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: And then you listen to the GM,
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: James Gladstone,
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: dissect the pick and the decision and was waxing poetic on how this is somebody
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: that could transform the sport itself.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: It was over the top.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: They won 13 games in spite of Travis Hunter, which is wild.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's like he wasn't even on the team.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's almost like the Pistons won a championship with Darko Milicic riding the bench.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: These decisions eventually, I'm not saying he's Darko Milicic.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not going to declare Travis Hunter a bust, but you got to see something.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: And where is his home?
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: I don't really know where it is.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's corner,
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: I think.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_02: Outside corner, nickel.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_02: Outside.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: He's got to get physical, get up, use your size and length.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_02: To your point,
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_02: though, to why maybe we shouldn't be sleeping on Jacksonville is they did win that.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_02: They've already proven they're a good team without him.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_02: They don't really
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: need him.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: They beat the piss out of the Chargers.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: They beat the piss out of the Broncos.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: That Bills game in the wild card came down to the finish.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: They lost, and Trevor Lawrence had a turnover.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_02: I get it.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_02: Chances, though.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't like they were just embarrassed.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't know.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of regret not factoring them into things here,
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: but it's easy to when you look at the AFC,
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: and this is an NFC episode, so we'll get to the NFC.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, when you look at the quarterbacks, I think that's why we overlooked them.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's Josh Allen,
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: it's Drake May,
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, Lamar
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: Jackson, it's Murderer's
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: Row.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: The best roster might be Jacksonville.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_02: Can't argue that.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: Might be.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_02: With a formidable pass rush, we know they have good pass rushers.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_02: So to your point, they hit a lot of things we like.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_02: Coach, I just need to see Trevor do it.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_02: I need to believe in Trevor more.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's what it is.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_02: That's what holds me back.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: That defense is a great point.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's real.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you're talking about.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Heinz Allen,
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_02: I like him.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_02: He's been approving.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: Their defensive coordinator, Anthony Campanelli, so he was in Green Bay as an assistant.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: I cannot tell you how many times his name has come up.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_02: Like for a head?
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: Just talking to players and coaches.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: They loved his speeches.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: He was the coach in some of these midweek speeches that would really get guys jacked up.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: And it was authentic.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: He's got a thick New Jersey accent.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: And he's really, really smart schematically with what he can do.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: Could be a name to keep an eye on for head coach if they keep this up.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_02: So I feel like I should just get on my phone right now and put a Jacksonville to win the AFC.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: I know, we're talking to ourselves.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: Did Bob not put them in our?
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_02: No, I don't think so.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_02: Go Long is anti Jacksonville.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's official.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: We have to at least own.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: It pains me.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_02: I know, and that's one of your favorite places.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_02: You always say their PR team does a great job and they just get it.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: They're not about trying to manipulate and control messaging, which.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: Is the case elsewhere?
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: So Jacksonville is one we're going to keep our eye on.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: Let's talk NFC, though.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_02: NFC is where we're at.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so let's jump to another note from a reader in light of those predictions at the site.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's a good one, quality one.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: They think you're out of your mind, Jim Monis.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: Because, which I am.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: Because you had Matt LaFleur on the hot seat, yet Green Bay in the Super Bowl.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to spend a lot of time getting into the Green Bay Packers.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: You'll also hear Bob McGinn.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: He's back as well as Jim Onis this 2026 NFL season.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: So that NFC North podcast, we'll be getting that revved up momentarily.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: But we want to get Jim Onis, our longtime exec scout on the Green Bay Packers.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: Can you take us through that thought process?
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_02: So...
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_02: An unacceptable playoff loss,
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_02: which we talked about,
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_02: and I don't ever,
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not that guy that always says coaches should be fired,
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_02: but there's been talk before,
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: LaFleur was on the hot seat before in Green Bay,
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_02: and you lose a game like that in the playoffs, ridiculous to me.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_02: I blame coaches for that, you gotta stop the bleeding, that's your game to win.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, they have a couple ways to go, they could have fired him, what do they do?
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_02: Little extension.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: Fair enough.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_02: I appreciate loyalty, too.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_02: He has put the time in.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_02: The wins speak for themselves.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_02: So the hot seat comes from this team went out and got Michael Parsons for a reason,
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_02: which is the equivalent to Miles Garrett and Donald and Watt and TJ Watt.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_02: That's your defense of Mahomes.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_02: You got that.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_02: You went and got it.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_02: Your team, your GM, Handpick this quarterback, and he is the guy.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_02: He is good enough to win a Super Bowl with.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_02: We've seen it.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: So your only success this year is to be in the Super Bowl.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_02: And my thing is,
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: if it doesn't go well or it gets a little,
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_02: something happens and they lose early,
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: that's where I could see LaFleur maybe saying, hey, enough.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_02: You know, because the expectations are Super Bowl.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: The extensions don't matter.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: We all know that nothing matters like that.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_02: So that's why I'm saying it.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_02: I think they're built to be in the Super Bowl.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: If not, I could see them moving on from the floor.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_02: So hot seat, not necessarily hot, but the expectations I think he has to deliver.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_02: Hot more, I think when you say hot, it could be game eight.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_02: Somebody could get fired game eight.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_02: I don't necessarily see that.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_02: I think he coaches the season, but the season better end NFC Championship Super Bowl.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: Because, yeah, he was retained.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: There was a contract negotiations.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: There were extensions.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'll say this.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: There's a there's like a quadruple padlock lock to the information
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: as pertaining those extensions and the details of what did Brian Goodikens get?
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: What did Matt LaFleur get?
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: Are they aligned?
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: Are they not aligned?
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: There's people on staff that do not know.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: And typically that information is rarely is leaked to the public, especially in Green Bay.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: But in this specific case, this is me talking.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure the coach and the GM are both aligned, joined at the hip.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, LaFleur reports to Ed Policy, the new president.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: Brian Gutekind reports to Ed Policy.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: Russ Ball, the contract, man, he reports to Ed Policy.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: So it's siloed off,
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: and Ed Policy is going to look at this thing zoomed out,
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: and I would think logically – Reached the same conclusion that you just did,
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: that I have as well.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: This is a Green Bay Packers team that found its franchise quarterback
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: and paid its franchise quarterback.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: And Jordan Love, $55 million a year.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: Developed him for three years as a backup.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: He has now started for three years.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: You can pull up any metric you want to pull up.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: He's near the top of that list.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: Big, strong.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: All of it.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: Rifle.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: All of it.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: They've been drafting wide receivers nonstop to the point where, okay,
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: you lose Romeo Dobbs, you lose Dontavian Wicks, but you've drafted Matthew Golden.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: You're bringing Tucker Craft back from injury at tight end.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: Jaden Reed, Christian Watson are now both paid.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_02: Loaded.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: The offensive line, they've invested there in the draft and in free agency.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: Running back is a story for another day.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: Another day.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: Josh Jacobs' court day, right before we hit record, got moved up.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: That, yeah.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_02: Of course, every head could be his...
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_02: You know, could save the floor.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, didn't know, you know, didn't know I wasn't going to have my running back.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: But then they made the move.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: You can't say that the Green Bay Packers are allergic to F them picks and winning now.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: They pushed those chips in.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: They traded multiple first-arm picks.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: They handed Micah Parsons all that money.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_02: They made the move.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: Brian Kudikens made the move for Micah Parsons.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: And he's got talent around him.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: They've got those violent,
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: just malignant,
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: nasty dudes that have been missing in Green Bay,
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: covering that team that lost in the playoffs every year.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: They've been missing that player who is going to cross a line,
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: who's going to say something out of line,
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: who's going to get into an offensive player's face.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: They haven't had that guy in those key moments.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_01: In the playoffs years past, I feel like they do.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: Javon Bullard, Devontae Wyatt, Edger and Cooper, Evan Williams.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's on coaching to mold this talent in a way that gets you to a Super Bowl.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: And there's a lot that goes into that psychologically, let alone schematically.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: I think that Matt LaFleur is a Brilliant offensive mind.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: He's revered around the NFL.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: I get, I get keeping him.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: I do.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: I do too.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: But how do you get that killer instinct is the question.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: And he has been emphasizing behind the scenes,
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_01: finishing every drill,
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_01: finishing every meeting,
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_01: finishing,
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: finishing,
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: finishing to somehow subconsciously get that to the forefront
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: of every player's mind.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: So when you're up 21 to three against Chicago, you don't blow it.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, But yeah, I'm with you.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: The pressure should be on him this year.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I think
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_02: it is.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_01: Regardless of what the contracts look like.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: It always is.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: It always is.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_02: And Green Bay, especially.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_02: What's the...
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't even... Is Jacobs... Is there an official timeline?
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: And nothing yet.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: He's on the commissioner exempt list.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: So the NFL is conducting its investigation.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: I believe the...
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: The prosecution there is a tape that exists, but Brian Goodkin said he hasn't seen it.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: The league didn't deny that they've seen it.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: That's what could
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_02: make it.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_02: If it's ugly.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: Fair enough.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't it sad that you have to see it to believe it, too?
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it is.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: Sad state of affairs.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_01: What you said, show for another day, maybe.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: we also have a woman who murdered her own children and has admitted to it and That's
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: a podcast for another day.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: Can you imagine?
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_02: Unbelievable.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_02: You lose a little faith in humanity seeing the reaction to that.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_02: All right, so that was my Green Bay spin on Hot Seat Slash.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_02: I do think if the running back stays out of jail
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_02: and their franchise defensive end comes off injury,
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I think they are good enough to make this football.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_02: Even without Josh Jacobs, I like their chance.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_02: Fair enough.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_02: I agree.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's just, he is, I do like him.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_02: Especially when you have, you know how I believe in football.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_02: Score early, get the lead, choke him out in the fourth with the running game.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_02: That's what we did in New Orleans.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_02: Saw it work, believe it.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_02: Sean Payton believes it.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's why the Broncos are built that way.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_02: And that's why I picked the Broncos to win the AFC.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm going, that's why I'm taking Green Bay.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_02: So go ahead with your NFC.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_01: One final note on Green Bay too.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: Matt Hasselbeck had a conversation with him about Jordan Love and the Green Bay Packers.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: Made some great points on just embracing the boring.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: And he really thinks that Matt LaFleur and that coaching staff would be able
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: to point to seven or eight plays from last season that if Jordan Love is just,
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: he's not,
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: bouncing around on his feet,
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: just stays sturdy,
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: just the simplest things,
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: then it's a completely different season than maybe those Super Bowl champs.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: But in that conversation, he noted, uh, Their run game, he's pretty plugged in.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to see more inside,
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: outside zone stuff, you know, instead of just straight ahead power.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: And that kind of gets back to the McVay principles.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: Does that create more big plays in the passing game?
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: They were a big play offense last year,
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_01: and I think they had the least amount of possessions in the NFL.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: So really interested to see what the identity of this Packers offense is.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: There will be a ton on Jordan Love's shoulders.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: No Jacobs, no Parsons.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: He's going to have to put up points.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: He's good enough to do it.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: And he's good enough to do it.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: And then every January, it's always on the quarterback.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_02: So it's about Jordan Love.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_02: We can talk about LaFleur until our eyes bleed.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_02: Hasselbeck, that's a great point.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I agree with him.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_02: Every game with Love, we talked about it.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_02: You do hold your breath.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_02: There's probably like two or three throws every game.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: You just jaw drop.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like, why did you do that?
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'm so glad they dropped that pick.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_02: Or I'm so glad you overthrew that pick.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_02: Like, he does take his chances.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_02: The great ones, they kind of all do,
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: though.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: Give me that, right?
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_02: That's the only reason I'm going to say I'm okay with it, but I know what he means.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_02: We're all good with it until it gets you in the playoffs.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_01: I went with the Detroit Lions out of the NFC.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like you've been picking them.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_02: This is your, whatever year this is for Go Long.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: Another very fair criticism that, uh, We receive by we and me and myself and Bob to an extent.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like I'm going to say the same thing I've said.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: The Dan Campbell love fest.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, yeah.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_02: Cannot love him as what he brings.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: He's everything a football coach should be.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_02: Guilty as charged.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I want out of my coach.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: Get to the next guy that we, the guy
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_02: that is the guy.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's golf.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_02: This is the same thing I've said every year.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_02: And then you go into why they're going to do it this year.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_02: Because this isn't my team.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_02: I do love Detroit as far as they're going to be Everything about their team,
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_02: they're built right, like Brad Holmes, the head coach, they got it right.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_02: The quarterback just, I don't think he can ever do it in the playoffs.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_02: I always think he's the Achilles heel.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_02: Not that he's not talented, but he has a fatal flaw.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_02: He can't move.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_02: And it's any coordinator will tell you,
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_02: take me, let me go against golf any day of the week over anybody else that can move.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_02: That's just life as a D coordinator.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_02: Until golf,
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_02: until that, Yeah,
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_02: if they can get the lead and all that, if their defense was better, then maybe.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_02: But for me,
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_02: when you have Goff as your quarterback,
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_02: your defense better be lights out because those games when he is struggling
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_02: or they're having a tough time pass protecting or not running the ball on offense,
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: you're going to need your defense to keep that score down.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_02: And that's just where I always struggle with Goff.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_02: Not that he's not.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_02: He's proven everything as a system pocket-passing quarterback.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_02: Sign me up.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_02: He is what you want.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he doesn't move.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: He is very stationary.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's all I'm saying.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think, though, that his football brain is at a different level.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: I would agree.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_01: And the way he can read coverages,
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: the way he can get inside of your head as a defensive coordinator
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: and not vice versa is rare.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: He had an excellent interview,
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was with Robert Mays on their podcast,
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: and just the way he was dissecting Specific plays and this safety is moving
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: over here because of this and that cornerbacks doing this because of that.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: And he he's doing this all in real time.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: And with each game and each season,
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_01: this stuff adds up and some quarterbacks can retain it and you harness it
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: and weaponize that information.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: And some can't,
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: I, I feel like games in January are one more between the ears than with your legs.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I just feel like it's going to happen for Jared Goff at some point.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: It hasn't been pretty at the end of some of these seasons.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_01: At the same time, you have seen him excel in some of these colder games.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think the climate conversation is real.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not doing climate.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not doing climate either.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_02: I don't bother.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_02: That doesn't bother me.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: Especially in the NFC versus the AFC.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: Agree again.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_02: Agree again.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not into that either.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, like he has to be protected.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's why Brad Holmes and Dan Campbell,
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: they started on the offensive line with Panay Sewell and that group.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: And now the only player from that group That's left is Panay Sewell.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: So they've kind of turned that over.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's in a good place now.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_02: The great quarterbacks get rid of the ball, to your point.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm saying he needs that
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_02: protection.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but to your point, though, he is Peyton.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_02: He is that level mind, which...
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_02: I'd put him in the top.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_02: Top minds?
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_02: Top five, maybe top three in that category.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_02: There's always your,
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_02: we talk about this all the time,
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_02: there's your rare talented quarterbacks,
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_02: your Mahomes, your Rodgers, your Favre, your Elways, your Staffords.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_02: Those guys are rare talents.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_02: Then you have your rare,
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_02: your good talents with rare minds and accuracy,
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_02: like the Breezes, the Bradys, the Peyton Mannings, the Goffs.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_02: There's like two classes of quarterbacks who can win with both, obviously.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's just which one do you have?
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_02: And that's golf's in that.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_02: That's a great company to be in, but everything else better be right to get there.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you were the director of personnel with the Buffalo Bills when he came into the league.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: I was at his pro day.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: You were at his pro day.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: You did a lot of work on Wentz,
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: but you were probably looking at golf too,
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: even though, you
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_02: know, you're not going to draft him.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we weren't, right.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: That wasn't a year.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_02: We weren't taking one.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_02: No, I feel like, Tyler, it's crazy.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like I'm having the same conversation right now that we had the year he came out.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_02: Not one thing has changed.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_02: He is everything you want except that one thing that scares me to death.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_02: What happens when it gets crazy in that pocket?
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_02: Getting out of trouble is, you can't put a value on this anymore.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_02: It is the most third and eight.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_02: And you get that blitz and you have that coverage.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_02: Everything works right.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_02: And he spins, whoever it is, spins out.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_02: Mahomes, Josh Allen spins out of that blitz where it looks like it's over.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_02: And there's that 11 yard first down and it's like jaw dropping.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_02: And what happens after that?
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_02: They go right back downfield and score.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_02: It always happens.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's what I just,
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: that's how I envision if I'm picking number one,
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_02: I want my quarterback to have that part of his game.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_02: That's all I'm saying.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_02: He has everything else.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's what makes Josh Allen just a diabolical killer.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_02: Separator for me.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: And that's probably why you're fairly bullish on Caleb Williams is he's got that escapability.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like crazy escapability.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: The question is, can he get all this other stuff?
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_01: There it is.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_02: There it is.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: Kenny, what do you think?
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_02: And you know how I feel about him.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_02: I thought he took a step.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_02: I still like that combo.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_02: Here we are in a division again, this division.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_02: I think I took three teams from that division to make it.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_02: I got to remember if I did Caleb or not.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_02: But point is, yes, he gets that in his game.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_02: When he knows the coverage, like Goff knows it, like Peyton used to know it, Brady knew it.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what you do with Caleb Williams if he knows that.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_02: Because he is, seriously, throwing the football, and I know you've seen it.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_02: It might be as good as it gets, watching what he can do throwing.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's a fairly gargantuan if.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: Jim, I mean, he never has been that type of quarterback.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_01: He's always relied on creativity, improvisation.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: And look, he won a Heisman Trophy.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: He was the first overall pick.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_01: We've documented his year one in Chicago and what Ben Johnson could do for him.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: He bought into what Ben Johnson was instructing.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: At the same time, before those magical plays, it was ugly.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_02: You can't live that way.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_02: To your point, I thought you did a great job of illustrating that last year.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_02: We talked about this year, we did our NFC North preview.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_02: You can't live that way.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_02: You can't.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_02: So let's see if he takes the next step.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_02: That is his next step.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_02: Right now, he's on that other side of the rare physical quarterback that doesn't exist.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_02: That's Caleb.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_02: Now, can he get that Brady, Peyton Manning, Goff, Drew Brees?
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_01: He's saying all the right things.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's been making the interview rounds with the Madden cover,
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: and then he was on that Hot Ones podcast.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: Did you catch that where they asked him to just kind of freelance on what he loves
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: about those quarterbacks?
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: Randall Cunningham, which he's a cannon.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: And Tom Brady, killer.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_01: And Patrick Mahomes.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_01: I forget what he said about Mahomes.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: But then he goes, Caleb Williams, and he said all the above.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: Got to think that way.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_02: The great ones all do.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_02: They do.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he's been talking that way all offseason.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_02: Tom Brady put out a Tom Brady.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_02: Here we go again.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_02: When doesn't he talk or put out something every day?
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_02: The only owner of the team that's in the media every day.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_02: But he put out his like, you know, best quality of a quarterback.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_02: Who has it?
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_02: I thought it was pretty good.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have it off the top of my head.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_02: We could look I could look it up.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, it just came out.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_02: But to your point.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_02: Brady gets it.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_02: I like lists like that.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like the guys that who is the, there are that, you know, it's Drew Brees.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he is the dart thrower of all time quarterbacks.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I think we all agree on that.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like Lamar and Vic.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it just, they don't exist.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_02: Like those guys are just different.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's fascinating though,
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_02: because Ben Johnson,
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: the reason that he got the job was what he did in Detroit with Jared golf with
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_01: that type of quarterback.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_01: And then, I forget exactly when he said it.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_01: There was the press conference.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if he meant to throw shade at golf,
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: but paraphrasing said, hey,
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: it's nice to have a quarterback who can make some plays off platform and move
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_01: a little bit.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_02: He can really move.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_02: He's under, like, I don't know if it gets talked about.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_02: You made up a good point.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying, though,
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: Ben is going to want him to run his offense and go through the reads he wants him
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: to go through to take that next step.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, and as soon as he can break out and make one of those magical plays
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_02: when it wasn't open,
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_02: that's when the coach will also say, I am so glad he can move around.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_02: You know it goes both ways.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_02: You just have to have it in your bag.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_02: But you do have to do what the coach wants, to your point.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I think he's coming around.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_02: We're just going to find out in two weeks.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_02: It does seem like we have – maybe it's just because we talk football all the time year-round.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_02: But this offseason,
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_02: it does seem like the gap between the Super Bowl and
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_02: the first game I'll never get it.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_02: I just don't understand why we can't play in better weather.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like, move the season up.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_02: Because this is what happens.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_02: We end up, people are putting out lists of insanities.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you see what I'm saying?
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_02: We've talked about, we left Jacksonville off a 13-win team.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like, anyway.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_02: But point is, we're to the point now where we need to see games.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_02: I need to see if Caleb's taking the next step.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_02: I want to see, you know, is golf, is this Detroit offensive line?
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_02: Let's go back to Detroit quick.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_02: Are you worried about that offensive line being reconstructed?
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: I like it.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_02: You do?
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_02: You feel good about it?
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_01: It was a hard decision.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_01: We got into it with Justin Rogers a couple weeks ago.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_01: Breaking up is never easy.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_01: But Taylor Decker was past his prime.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_01: They couldn't get
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_01: to the right number.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: Well said.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_01: I think Panay Sewell, we'll see how he moves to the left side.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's a big unknown.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, moving from one side to the other, I think, is a tougher transition.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: That anybody realizes that you got it right in front of you.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_01: Sat down with Tate Rallage.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: He's basically created in a Dan Campbell lab
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_02: with how he's wired mentally.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: They drafted Blake Miller in the first round out of Clemson.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_01: So they took that step too.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: And then they traded for Juice Scruggs from Houston.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: So they've drafted guys.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: They've developed guys.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: They've made this a concerted effort.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: So I would think so.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, look, Jameer Gibbs averaged less than four yards a carry.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: In like five of his last six games, something like that.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_01: Jameer Gibbs.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that overtime house call against the Giants and then disappeared.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: That can't happen.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_01: And you need the protection for Jared Goff.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm feeling good about it.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_02: So I now have my next rookie I'm going to be paying attention to, Blake Miller.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_02: That is a first-round right tackle getting thrown into this basically ready-made team.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't studied him and I'm going to, so I shouldn't say too much.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm going to just start off by telling you as a longtime Southeast scout,
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure I've ever scouted a good offensive lineman that came out of Clemson.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just going to start and stop there before I watch tape on him.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_02: But if he is not what I think needs to be at right tackle,
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_02: I think that could be an issue for them because of what we just talked about
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_02: with Mr. Goff.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_02: So let's just let's hold on.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_02: But I have now Blake Miller, Reuben Bain.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_02: And the fullback, Stopper,
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_01: and Travis Hunter for
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_02: Jackson.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_02: And the fullback, Stopper, Reese.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_02: Nope.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_02: Don't say his name.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_02: Tyler, got to do something first.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: But, yeah, we're good.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: Stay on that topic real quick, though, Clemson.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_01: So, gosh,
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: it would have been two or three years ago when Miles Murphy was coming out
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: in his draft series.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_01: Bob wrote a story about the Clemson curse.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: And it's disgust amongst scouts like yourself.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_01: It is.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_01: On how Dabo Sweeney just sells you a bunch of BS.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_01: He won't say a bad word about any of his guys.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: So you can't trust him because everything's positive.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody's back to when Deshaun Watson's going to be the Michael Jordan in the NFL.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: Whoever said this is great.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: Remember that line?
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: And it's.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_01: Lovey-dovey.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: And it goes back to coddling these guys.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_01: They're not pushed and challenged.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_01: Not like you'd get out of a Nick Saban or a Kirby Smart, obviously.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then look at the D linemen out of Clemson that have busted out.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_01: Dexter Lawrence, obviously.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_01: Behemoth, beast.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_01: The list of busts, the list of underachievers is long.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: I remember sitting down with Vic Beasley.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: For a piece once in VR.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_01: And he had that one crazy season when Atlanta got to the Super Bowl.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_02: I'm telling you, shaking his hand, speaking to him.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_01: It was different.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_01: He wasn't wired like most edge rushers who take over the game.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_01: So there is something to Clemson.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I talked to Brandon Bean about it when we sat down for that one-on-one.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: They drafted TJ Parker with their top pick in the second round.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_01: And he said, you really got to take it case by case.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: He was aware of the Clemson stigma.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_01: They don't want to just lump everybody in the same bucket.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_01: You don't.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's something you have to look at, though, when you're building a team.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_02: I think this with the O-line at Clemson.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_02: At the end of the day, they're really, they haven't been bust.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_02: They just haven't, like, they're not overdrafted.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_02: They don't even put them out.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_02: Like, they don't even, like,
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_02: we'd go in there and we're just like,
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_02: but when you have basically four NFL skill guys,
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_02: Just like all pro starting NFL players at quarterback,
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_02: running back, and receiver at Clemson.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_02: It goes back to my point.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_02: Just give me five guys up front.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_02: We're going to get that right.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_02: We got four skill guys getting ready to get drafted in the first round.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you're looking at Sammy.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_02: That team, we were from Sammy Watkins and who was the other receiver that went to the Steelers?
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_02: Robert Woods.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_02: Well, no, that's the Bills team.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_02: I was talking about the Clemson team.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I'm jumping right to your –
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_01: Martavis Bryant.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_02: Bryant was on that – like,
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: come on now.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_02: Like, how is that even?
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_02: DeAndre Hopkins.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, come on.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we're talking about three first-round NFL starting quality NFL receivers.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_02: So you can put every one up front.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_02: Dabo probably wasn't recruiting that hard once he landed those guys.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_02: Like, hey, who'd you guys get at tackle?
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_02: Great.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_02: We did just fine.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_02: I've done it too long with Clemson.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_02: Like, they just never – they're not busts.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_02: Now, this guy would be a bust, a first-rounder.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_02: You don't usually see Clemson Lyman go first round.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_02: So Blake Miller is on the radar, the Go Long Rookie Court NFL Unstoppable Radar.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_01: While we're on Blake Miller, let's pull up what the scouts told McGinn about him.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_02: Let me see if I can guess,
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_02: while you're doing that,
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_02: let me see if I can get a couple clips on him just to get a quick little,
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_02: see what his numbers were.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_02: All right, so, I mean, they...
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_01: Here's what one evaluator said.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_01: He's got incredible numbers.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_02: He tested off the charts just to start there.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_01: Just a man's man.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_01: Wins you over with his leadership.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_01: You can see this guy running for Congress someday.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't like that.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_02: I want Congress.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_02: I want jail.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yes.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_02: I want my guy.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_02: I want my tackles.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_02: I want borderline.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_02: They may go to jail if you try to get around that edge.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not trying to win Congress on that.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_02: Hold on.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_01: Well, there you go.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe I should rethink my Lions pick.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_01: They've got to get a few more convicts in there.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_02: Hold on.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_02: We're going to go.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to watch him, though.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_02: That'll be a weekend.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_01: But you know what?
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_01: You're always saying the offensive line isn't that important, right?
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_01: Overvalued.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_01: Overvalued.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's extremely important.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_02: Overvalued.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_02: But one tackle, a first round, and the rest you can find.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_01: Amon Ross, Sam Brown, James Williams, Sam Laporta, Jameer Gibbs.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, get rid of the ball.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_02: Loaded.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_02: Agreed.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_02: To your point.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_02: And the great ones, get rid of the ball.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_02: The great ones, as far as this, golf will get rid of the ball.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_01: Drew Petsing, we'll see what his offense looks like.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_01: It'll be different.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_01: I think they'll have a more diverse Russian attack with Gibbs, with him.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_02: He's a creative guy.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_02: I'm nitpicking on just trying to see where the offense could take a hiccup.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_01: Elsewhere in the NFC then, Jim,
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_01: is there another team you're keeping an eye on that you're going to be watching
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_01: the whole NFL, obviously, but which
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_02: team really intrigues you?
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_02: The other team that I guess I'm getting caught up in is Dallas.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a Dak guy, and I look at that division as he brings...
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_02: The Eagles Hurts has his, you know, issues with is he the guy or not?
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_02: I still have never seen a number one receiver want to leave a great quarterback.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_02: I'll just stick with that.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_02: A.J.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_02: Brown couldn't leave fast enough.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_02: Washington, we know.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_02: Is Dan Quinn good enough?
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_02: Is Daniels going to be the guy again like he was?
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_02: And then Dart and the hardball stuff.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_02: Is that really there?
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_02: Now I'm looking at Dak with a loaded offense with a proven quarterback.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, that might be the most stable team in that division.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_02: So if they go ahead and win that division, then why can't they make a run?
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_02: So that, to me,
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_02: was Dallas is the team I'm watching to see if – I feel like I'm just –
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_02: the whole country is falling for it.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_02: But, man, when you see those receivers and Dak, that's a highlight.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_02: Now, obviously, can the defense be good enough?
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_02: But Dallas would be my team that I'm kind of keeping – like
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_02: a team I didn't think I would be falling in love with that I can't wait to watch.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_02: Same.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_02: We got to argue.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_02: We didn't talk on it either.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_02: That's the one – Well, we argue on golf.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_01: We do our golf stuff for the years five or six of that.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_01: I love the Christian Parker hire.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he's in the division.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_01: He's going to know what it takes against Philly.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_01: He practiced against Jalen Hurts in this offense every day.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_01: He's familiar with their personnel.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's the team you have to dethrone.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_01: It always starts in your division first.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah,
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_01: number one,
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_01: it's him changing everything on defense away from whatever
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_01: the hell Matt Evenfloos was doing defensively.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they've been bad on defense for a while in Dallas,
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_01: but it's crazy when you look at the shit that Jerry Jones and
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_01: the Cowboys justifiably took out of the Micah Parsons trade to have a talent like
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_01: that and to let him get away.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_01: But they've recouped pretty damn well with the Quinn and Williams contract.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_01: And Jerry said himself, we have to stop the run.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_01: And they made sure that Kenny Clark was part of that deal when they did it.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_01: Now you bring in Quinn and Williams.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_01: You draft Caleb Downs.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_01: They've got some, you know.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_01: We always
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_02: talk about
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_01: it.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_01: Will McClay, you know that he is a smart dude running personnel.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_02: He'd be one of the most sought after players.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like tomorrow, but he is not going anywhere.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody knows why he is running this.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_02: Look, the roster speaks for itself every year.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_01: They draft well every year.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Kobe Durant from the Rams.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_01: Quentin Williams may be the best he tackled in football, one of.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_01: Malachi Lawrence they drafted.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_01: Who I liked.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_01: I talked about him as a guy that
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_02: he caught my attention.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_01: Even as a one trick pony.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's a good trick to have.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm okay with one trick ponies.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_01: We'll say this,
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_01: Rashawn Gary, I will not be able to forget his gaff on the fateful fourth and eight.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_01: If he just holds contained.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_01: Where are you going, Rashawn?
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_01: Where are you going?
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_01: Against the Bears, the wild guard.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_01: No, it hurts.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_01: Coasting right inside and poor Isaiah McDuffie is posterized as he tries
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_01: to chase down Caleb Williams.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_01: But if he can give you something, I guess it's a former first-round pick.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_01: There's enough there to say, okay, yeah, that's a top 15 defense.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_01: We've talked about Caleb Downs because the offense is going to be so explosive
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_01: that you don't need dominance.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: Did off the defense,
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_02: The surprise, good team.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_02: Did you, Bob McGinn, and myself all pick Arizona as worst team or no?
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_01: It was a tough one.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_01: Arizona or the Jets?
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think I went with the Jets.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_02: Not bad.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_02: No, I'm with you.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't really think we need to waste any time.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_01: No, I was curious on that one.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_01: I just was curious if we all picked Arizona or the Jets.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_01: That makes sense.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oops, I didn't mean to click that.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_01: Let's pull up the predictions here because I want to take another look at your squad.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_01: Anything that was...
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: I think the surprise for me was Minnesota getting to the divisional round.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_01: We've discussed the Vikings a ton.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's going to work.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_01: Kyler Murray with Kevin O'Connell, Justin Jefferson, all of those weapons.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_01: They're...
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_01: There's certainly a lot that they haven't shown the world that we'll see week one
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_01: when it comes to what this looks like.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_01: And he can make every throw.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's about...
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_01: Allowing him to see the field.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_01: And Chase Edmonds, his former teammate, I thought he broke it down perfect.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_01: He's like,
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_01: whether it's an RPO or wherever he is on the field,
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_01: he's not going to see over those D linemen.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's about getting him to see what's happening at the second level.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_01: So whether you manipulate the drops,
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_01: the launch points, get the wide zone work and work play action off of that.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_01: Now, can you run your passing game completely off of play action?
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's all fair.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_01: No, there'll have to be some more under center stuff.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_01: He did do under center stuff with Drew Petsing in Arizona,
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_01: so you've seen him to an extent do it.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_01: It remains to be seen.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's got every reason to have the season of his life in 2026 with the Vikings.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_01: And you want to talk about defense, I trust Brian Flores to make life hell for quarterbacks.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, my NFC divisional teams were Detroit, Seattle, the LA Rams, and Minnesota.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_01: I went Detroit over Seattle in the NFC Championship game.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_02: Let's not forget that Seattle did win the Super Bowl.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_01: Love that team.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Rams, Rams, Rams.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_02: I just think it's hard to do it.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_02: And Darnold,
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_02: as much as I do,
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_02: I like Darnold,
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_02: and he is as gifted as there is, but he does have that hold your breath.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_02: I don't care what you say.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_02: He did it last year enough that the hold your breath is still there with Darnold.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_02: I always call it the gambling on Seattle.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_02: The Darnold experience when you bet on them is maddening.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_02: When you're like, how do they win some of these games with him?
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_02: Because he does.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_02: He does some crazy stuff.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_02: He's so talented, though.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_02: He really is gifted throwing the football.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_01: Statistically, he definitely declined the last half
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_02: of the season.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_02: And they were still
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_01: winning games.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_02: And still winning.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_01: He plays better.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_02: They may have the best receiver in the NFL, by the way.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_02: I don't see much.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I still see Seattle being in the mix, for sure.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_02: I just think it's hard to get back.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going off just that, really.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_02: I just think it's hard to get back.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_02: They're loaded, capable, for sure.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_01: NFC South, I was surprised that you didn't have New Orleans.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_02: I was hyping them up.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_01: I wanted to, and then I just,
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_02: maybe I got fooled with the old faithful.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_02: I like, there's something about championship.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_02: Foles and Mayfield, they're playing for, their jobs are on the line.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_02: Mayfield's playing contract.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_02: Which will happen, which I think is good.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_02: And Bowles has to win there.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_02: I said it before, I think Tampa could be a landing spot for Sean McDermott.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to stick with that because of the GM, Jason Light.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_02: So I think Bowles better get this right this year or else I think there could be a door.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_02: So that's why I'm going with them to win that division over New Orleans.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_02: I think New Orleans is going to be a headache this year to play.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_02: That offense could be good.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_02: The quarterback, I need to see more.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_02: Not ready to anoint like we all like to anoint.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_02: I want to see more before I want to talk more about him, but I will be studying him closely.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_01: Sean McDermott's making the rounds.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was on Rich Eisen today.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_01: He clearly wants to coach next season.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_01: He's going to be looking at the available jobs.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_01: Say Tampa Bay opens up.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_01: Would you be surprised, though?
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_02: For Tampa Bay, say
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_01: they do pay Baker Mayfield to go from Todd Bowles,
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_01: At your own 39, fourth and two, shootout against the Bills, punting the game away.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_01: Now, Sean McDermott has proven he will go for it on fourth and short.
• 55:35
  SPEAKER_01: He did evolve in that category.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_01: He's still a defensive coach at heart and old school at heart.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_01: A, I wonder what Sean McDermott thought about Baker Mayfield coming out of college, right?
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_01: Because he was in that draft.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_01: How did he have these quarterbacks ranked himself?
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_01: We were told they had him number one.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_02: We were.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_02: So...
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_02: I'll stick with that.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_02: I know the guy told us that.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_02: I believe what he says.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think that's a bad thing to say that you had Baker Mayfield number one.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, Josh Allen is better and Lamar is better,
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_02: but I think that was just the scariness of Lamar and Josh Allen
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_02: for everybody was what prevented those two from being number one.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_01: Could be some affection there.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_01: You think that Jason Light would be drawn to McDermott?
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_02: I do from what I think I believe that they the relationship they had in the past and
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_02: the respect they would have for each other and what Jason when you're hiring
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_02: a head coach.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's yeah, we're saying defense defense, but Sean, you'll get the building right.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_02: He represents you.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_02: You know, he's about the players.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_02: He represents your team, right?
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_02: He's a quality head coach.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_02: We can nitpick the tough,
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_02: we've nitpick that to death, the playoff games, the decisions, the defense.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_02: It took a dive.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe that's the talent evaluation that Sean took on when he took over.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know how much Sean had.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_02: I know he had power when we left, but guess who he will not have?
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_02: He will not have any say on that when he goes to Tampa.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_02: Jason Light's a proven, proven top five GM talent evaluator.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I would say his drafts rank up there.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're Sean McDermott and we're racing ahead, who knows what happens this season?
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_01: I know, I'm sitting there picking them to win
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_02: the division.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_01: I know, but say like your choices are,
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_01: Tampa or a team like Tampa that retains its general manager and your job is to coach
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_01: and only coach.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_01: And you've got a team that can win.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_01: Or say the New York Jets say, Sean McDermott, you come in and you run everything.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_01: We want you to flip our building like you flip Buffalo and you're in charge of this, this, this.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_01: Do whatever the hell you want.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_01: Bob Lamont's his agent.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_02: I'm saying yes, go keep going because I
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_01: know he would go to the
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_02: Jets if you're asking me.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, heck yeah.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_02: Guess why?
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_02: And he gets to go against the Bills.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_02: I promise you the old wrestler in him would want to come out and get a chance
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_02: of playing against the Bills.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_02: I promise you.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_02: So that would be a good one.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_01: Because he definitely said everything that you'd want him to say in
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_01: that Eisen interview about predicting the Bills to win a Super Bowl and rooting
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_01: for Joe Brady and Josh Allen.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_01: Knocked it out of the park.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_01: Smart.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_01: Smart.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_01: He's a competitor at heart.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_01: He's going to want to play them and beat them if he's a head coach.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_02: We need those videos,
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_02: those behind-the-scenes videos when he's watching those games this year at home.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_02: Like if they lose that first game and the defense isn't lights out.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_02: Now, if that defense is lights out for Buffalo, that's a different ball game.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_02: But if C.J.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_02: Stroud comes in and lights that defense up, what do we do?
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that would be the opposite of an overly sanitized Hard Knocks episode
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_01: where Sean is sitting down.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_02: Just Sean.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_01: It would just be him watching him.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_01: But a real one.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_01: Sean's fingerprints were all over the Hard Knocks.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_01: He made sure this was in, this was out.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_01: But I want a, I want a raw, a
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_02: real show.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm saying.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_02: Real, real show.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_01: Sean McDermott watching these games.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like when,
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_02: when you grabbed me after a,
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_02: a Sunday and I lost some bets, that's, that's,
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_02: you want the raw,
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_02: you want Sean after the Bills give up 35 to CJ Stroud first game of the year.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_01: Well, both extremes, you know, what if they look great?
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_01: What if they're wreaking havoc?
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_01: What if the Lions waltz in the high mark?
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_02: So if it's 30, so Bills, Bills go 31, 10 against Houston first game.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_02: Defense looks great.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_02: Offense is free flowing.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_02: That's a tough, that's a hard swallow.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_01: Hard swallow.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_01: This is a good point to mention.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_01: We will be recording some Substack lives after all of the Bills games.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_01: So 20, 30 minutes right after the game.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_01: Make sure you download the Substack app.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_01: Turn the notifications on because we will.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's on.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to let it fly.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_02: It's on this year.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_02: Right away.
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_02: That's the best time to do it.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_02: And we're all paying attention.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_02: And we're paying attention.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_02: Let's do it then.
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_01: I love it because it's like when you cover an NFL game,
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_01: they call it the cooling off period for players.
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_01: There's like 45 minutes before the media is allowed to enter the locker room.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_01: I always felt like some teams, they sequestered us outside of the locker room.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_01: All of a sudden players are walking out that you want to interview.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh, what the hell?
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_01: Can you get a lettuce?
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_01: So it seems to get longer than 45 minutes over time.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_01: So we're going to keep the cooling off period to a minimum when Jim Onis loses a bet.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_01: Loses lots of money.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_01: We want his emotions as
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_02: volatile as possible.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_02: I promise you it's not even about the bet or the money.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's usually about the call of a coach.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_02: That's what it is.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_02: That sends you over the top.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_01: You're right.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_02: But anyway.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_01: Which one really pissed you off last year?
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_02: I can't get over the Green Bay loss in the playoffs.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_02: That was a big one for me.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_02: Just needed them to win that game.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you want to talk about looking good.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, this is it.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_02: This is the one.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_02: I can't get that one out of my head.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_02: The all-time game for me I always talk about was Diggs' catch for the Vikings
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_02: against the Saints.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_02: That was my all-time, just the gut punch of a gut punch.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_02: But last year, that Green Bay loss hurt.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_02: I felt like, what coach is the punt coach?
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_02: Dan Quinn's on my list.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_02: He gets a little excited for field goals, I think, sometimes.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_02: There's some coaches that I think get excited for field goals.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_02: I think he's out of it now.
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_02: But anybody that settles for field goals and punts will have my,
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_02: that's when I'm just like, I can't accept that.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_01: There were so many plays in that Green Bay Chicago wild card that you forget about.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_02: I just don't understand
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_01: how it happened.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the throw at the end of the first half, that could have made it 28-3.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_01: He goes to Christian Watson.
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_01: Watson has a step.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's the thing,
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_01: as great as Love played,
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_01: 300 yards, three touchdowns, zero picks, on the road playoffs.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_01: There were still moments like that that, okay, you hit that, it's 28-3 at halftime.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, by the way,
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_01: I think you had Matthew Golden open on the other side of the field
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_01: and didn't go there.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_01: Understandably so.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to your top guy.
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_01: And there were some drops.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_01: He had some drops on him.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_01: And then the throw, the second to last drive to Luke Musgrave up the left sideline.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_01: Great call by Matt LaFleur.
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's just wild as one or two of these go the other way.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_01: LaFleur's a genius.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_01: But Luke Musgrave has Tremaine, I guess, one-on-one.
• 1:02:30
  SPEAKER_00: He does.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_01: Come on in.
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_01: Say hello.
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought I'd stop by.
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  SPEAKER_00: Make sure you have everything you need.
• 1:02:37
  SPEAKER_01: We're here at EBC.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to EBC.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, do you want to pump?
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, let her pump.
• 1:02:41
  SPEAKER_00: What's your name, by the way?
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_00: Kaylee.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_00: Nice to meet you.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_00: What are you guys doing?
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_00: Tyler.
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_00: Nice to meet you.
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_01: Talking a little football here.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_01: We were talking the beer earlier.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, charge.
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_01: You talked about Fan Zone.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_01: I did.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_01: I did the charge.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go to the Fan Zone.
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_01: Fan Zone IPA.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_00: Our Fan Zone IPA.
• 1:02:57
  SPEAKER_00: We have some new fans on the can.
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's pretty big this year.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_01: You hear that, everyone?
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_00: Some Bills Mafia members to the can this year.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_00: Look for the new ones.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_00: Slightly different.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_00: Same beloved beer.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's the thing.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_01: I always get the blueberry at EBC, which is fantastic.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_01: You have so many other...
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_01: Just amazing beers here.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_01: How many are on tap?
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_01: Got it.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_00: All of them.
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_00: No, everything except for this right here.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_01: I'd say like 35, 40 there probably.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_00: But do you guys need?
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_00: Do we need drinks?
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 1:03:25
  SPEAKER_01: What do you need?
• 1:03:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'll roll with the, I'll do the fan zone.
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_00: Fan zone?
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm water.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_00: You're good?
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_00: You have enough water?
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'm good.
• 1:03:31
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much.
• 1:03:31
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_01: Appreciate it.
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_01: Good stopping by.
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  SPEAKER_01: Very nice.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_01: Perfect timing.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_01: I saw that we were a little low here.
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's a sign.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_01: So that throw, I mean, if he...
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_01: Doesn't fall away.
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_01: If he stands there, delivers it, it's either DPI or touchdown.
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_02: Fair.
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_02: In that game.
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, Green Bay, I get it.
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_01: They lost players on offense.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_01: They lost players on defense.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_01: You've got the Parsons rehab,
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_01: which you do not want to rush because you want him peaking at the end of the season.
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_02: It's critical.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_02: You don't know who in the hell your running
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_01: back is going to be.
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_01: Can Marshawn Lloyd stay healthy?
• 1:04:09
  SPEAKER_01: What is Marshawn Lloyd?
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody really knows.
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_01: Love the weapons.
• 1:04:14
  SPEAKER_02: They should be
• 1:04:14
  SPEAKER_01: able to, yeah.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_01: They showed you there in that first half.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_01: There was a moment there where if you're Seattle watching that Packers offense in
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_01: the first half, you're thinking, oh, shit.
• 1:04:28
  SPEAKER_01: It was moving.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_01: And then everything just went to hell.
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like that.
• 1:04:32
  SPEAKER_02: Couldn't run the ball, couldn't do anything.
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_01: And that,
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how it's not coaching because that was the theme for the Packers,
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_01: blowing these leads.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_01: Losing games where you didn't even punt, getting steamrolled by the Ravens.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_01: They've got the personnel.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_01: They've got the quarterback.
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_01: They've got the edge rusher.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_01: Let's see if Matt LaFleur can get it done.
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_02: So that really sums up another good way of why I think he is on the hot seat.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_02: Quarterback and edge rusher who was an invested edge rusher.
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_02: It has to get done, to your point.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_02: It won't be the edge rusher leaving and it won't be the quarterback leaving.
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_02: It'll be the head man.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of love an hour into this thing.
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_01: We barely talked about the LA Rams.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_01: We've got to touch on the team.
• 1:05:21
  SPEAKER_01: Is it because it's like, that's what I was going to say.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's when, look at this.
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, fantastic.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_00: Look at that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_00: Here it is.
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_00: Here we go.
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  SPEAKER_01: Buffalo fan zone.
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_01: You can get these wherever you get your beer.
• 1:05:40
  SPEAKER_01: IPA.
• 1:05:41
  SPEAKER_01: I like that too.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's an IPA.
• 1:05:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's a manageable IPA.
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you don't like the eight-pointers?
• 1:05:50
  SPEAKER_01: Again, bringing things full circle.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm 39 and washed-up father of three.
• 1:05:56
  SPEAKER_01: That'll hit you pretty hard when you're waking up at the fours.
• 1:05:59
  SPEAKER_01: So if you like that taste of IPAs, what a great option for you here at EBC.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_01: Buffalo fans.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, lookit, they got all the different fans on there at the stadium.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_01: Bill Zelvis, there he is, the whole gang.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, Jim.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_01: Don't mean to rub it in.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'll drink one for you, though.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_01: Drink two.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_01: Two.
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_01: Rams.
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, we got to get a thought on the Rams.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_02: Anointed.
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_02: Gross.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_02: Don't even feel like talking about them.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_02: Loaded.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_02: We know it, obviously.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_02: I just feel like somebody can get them.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_02: But can they?
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what to say.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know how you're going to stop them.
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's no weaknesses.
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_02: They are physically talented enough to win it, like we know.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_02: I think they were good enough without Donald.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_02: So the Donald edition that the picture.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_01: Get into what you saw on film then because that's a take we haven't heard.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_01: With the Rams.
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_01: Aaron Donald not being Aaron Donald
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_02: at this point of his career.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_02: He's going to be.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_02: He is a splash.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_02: What I expect is he is still capable of splash plays.
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what you're going to want.
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_02: He is going to be capable of.
• 1:07:05
  SPEAKER_02: Of winning with his get-off and quickness off the snap,
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_02: blowing by your guard and causing that fumble or getting that critical sack in
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_02: the playoffs.
• 1:07:13
  SPEAKER_02: I think on a down-in and down-out game, he goes unnoticed and could be targeted to run at.
• 1:07:19
  SPEAKER_02: He gets pushed around.
• 1:07:21
  SPEAKER_02: That's the history of Aaron Donald.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_02: That's not a weakness.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's just he's small.
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_02: At the end of the day, yes, he's powerful, but he wins off his explosion and power.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, in his hand use and staying clean You get your hands on him,
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_02: he's a little guy at the end of the day.
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_02: There's gonna be guards that are okay going against him.
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just saying, the thing that they're unbeatable and untouchable is where I'm laughing.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_02: And I just, I'm hoping to see A challenge, I guess.
• 1:07:48
  SPEAKER_02: I'd like to see this not be that easy for the Rams.
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't think it will be.
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_01: It won't be.
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_01: It never is.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I see this.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's why I'm not picking them.
• 1:07:56
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just over it already.
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, were you, you wouldn't have been with the Eagles, the dream team season.
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_01: You were with the Saints by then, I want to say.
• 1:08:04
  SPEAKER_02: Do you remember the season?
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like I remember.
• 1:08:06
  SPEAKER_01: I want to say it was 08.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_02: Saints.
• 1:08:09
  SPEAKER_01: You were with the Saints.
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_01: That was Saints.
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_01: That was the, yes.
• 1:08:11
  SPEAKER_01: I remember it.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_01: Vince Young dropping the dream team reference.
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:08:17
  SPEAKER_01: Had a little stickiness to it.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to get the other names.
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_02: I'm looking it up.
• 1:08:21
  SPEAKER_02: Is that why you're, are you comparing
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_01: it to that?
• 1:08:23
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the Rams are better than that team.
• 1:08:25
  SPEAKER_01: They're better than that team.
• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_01: But it has the same kind of feel like, oh my God, all of this talent.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_01: How does anybody stand a chance?
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_01: And we tend to forget it has really, Really difficult to get to a Super Bowl.
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_01: So many crazy things have to go your way.
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_01: Just look at the last postseason.
• 1:08:40
  SPEAKER_02: So many crazy.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_01: That wild card game.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_01: Then go to the next game.
• 1:08:43
  SPEAKER_01: Bears-Rams and the craziness in that contest.
• 1:08:46
  SPEAKER_01: And then you go to the next one, the NFC Championship game.
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_01: If the Rams give a crap about special teams, maybe that game's different.
• 1:08:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's a bounce here, a bounce there, a call here, a call there.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what's going to go wrong for the Rams, but something's going to go wrong.
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_01: Matthew Stafford is...
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_01: Approaching 40 with a bad back, okay?
• 1:09:08
  SPEAKER_01: Our backs are probably hurting just sitting here.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_02: I can't imagine getting blasted by D-Lineman with a bad back.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_02: They do have an anointed backup in Ty Simpson.
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_02: This is true.
• 1:09:21
  SPEAKER_02: One preseason game, he was anointed.
• 1:09:24
  SPEAKER_02: So, great point on Stafford, though.
• 1:09:27
  SPEAKER_01: All right, Fanzo?
• 1:09:29
  SPEAKER_02: You're happy with Fanzo?
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_01: I love him.
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's smooth.
• 1:09:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's dark, not too dark.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's got that IPA bite, but not too much bite.
• 1:09:37
  SPEAKER_01: I approve.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_02: No, but I do.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_02: I'm with you on that with the Rams.
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_02: It just seems too – I know it's easy and cliche to pick them,
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_02: but I actually do think they have – I mean, to your point, Stafford is old.
• 1:09:49
  SPEAKER_02: Donald is coming out of retirement.
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_02: He is not the biggest guy.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_01: Mike McDonald's defensive system, you still have the core of personnel there.
• 1:10:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's another year in the system.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_01: They're going to be – So tough.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_01: Really tough to be.
• 1:10:05
  SPEAKER_01: No doubt.
• 1:10:05
  SPEAKER_01: Let's not forget what they did to Drake May in the Super Bowl.
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_01: It was over by the middle of the first quarter.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just banking on
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_02: hard to get back.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_02: That's all.
• 1:10:13
  SPEAKER_02: Good enough to win it for sure.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:10:17
  SPEAKER_01: That was fun.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_01: Let's close it up there.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_01: I like EBC.
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_01: I like to...
• 1:10:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's great.
• 1:10:22
  SPEAKER_01: Let's give...
• 1:10:23
  SPEAKER_01: If you made it this far, let's show you what EBC looks like here.
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_01: Here's the outdoor patio area.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_01: See?
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody having a good time.
• 1:10:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'm always...
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_01: Going to be partial to the Southern Tier gym.
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_01: Anytime you want to come down to record a pod.
• 1:10:39
  SPEAKER_01: I got to twist my arm.
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_01: We'll rotate around, find some new spots.
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_01: My old high school basketball teammate owns the bar right across the street.
• 1:10:46
  SPEAKER_01: Madigan's, Shane Kell.
• 1:10:49
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe we do a pod at Madigan's one of these days.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right over there.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Balloons, Mel Kearns.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_01: She works out at my sister's gym in the morning.
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_01: So everybody kind of knows everybody around here.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I love about a small town.
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like bringing the kids to school.
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_01: Kids I went to school with, I was friends with, and now they're teachers.
• 1:11:06
  SPEAKER_01: You know everybody.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_01: There's no surprises.
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_01: There's no teachers putting litter boxes into bathrooms like you hear around some schools.
• 1:11:15
  SPEAKER_01: Have you heard that, too?
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's insane.
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't hear that.
• 1:11:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:11:18
  SPEAKER_01: You're allowed to pretend you're a cat in 2026, and they put litter boxes into it.
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_02: My friends would laugh hearing that because I've said for a long time,
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_02: we are close to zoo animals sometimes.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's stuff I've seen walking around airports and locker rooms.
• 1:11:30
  SPEAKER_02: This is true, yeah.
• 1:11:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's what we should do if you...
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_01: If you do not deplane in a row-by-row fashion and you're disorderly in that regard,
• 1:11:41
  SPEAKER_01: even if you don't identify as an animal,
• 1:11:43
  SPEAKER_01: the rest of the world is allowed to identify you as an animal and treat you as such.
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:11:48
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of like that, the reverse identification.
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go with that.
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's great down here.
• 1:11:55
  SPEAKER_01: Love it.
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I got to get up your way.
• 1:11:58
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, like I said, you don't have to twist my arm to come here.
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_01: This is outstanding.
• 1:12:03
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks so much for listening, for watching, for sharing with a friend.
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_01: As always, Go Long.
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_01: We do not have any ads, any sponsors, none of that.
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_01: Just a couple guys talking about football on this podcast,
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_01: and we are thrilled to share the news of this season very soon at the site as well.
• 1:12:18
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks so much, everyone.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_00: Go Long.