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JFK ASSASSINATION - Ep. 311 - Dirty NOLA · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Speaker 1: Remember like Bob Clark, Rob Clark, Job Bordelli.
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  Speaker 3: Here's Joe b and the Triple b Hey Andrew Dean
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  Speaker 4: I want to thinking and show.
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  Speaker 4: Is and here we go.
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  Speaker 1: And here we go.
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  Speaker 4: What is up? My people, My people, Welcome to the
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  Speaker 4: longum And Podcast. This is episode number three hundred and eleven.
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  Speaker 4: Three eleven great band. I am the one half of
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  Speaker 4: your hosting degenerates here this evening. My name is Rob Clark.
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  Speaker 4: Otherwise it was the Triple be Big Bad Bob, and
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  Speaker 4: along with me is always is the ever scruffy Joe
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  Speaker 1: Hey, yes, I haven't shaved in a month. It's been great.
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  Speaker 1: Uh you know, when you're in the mountains, it's whatever
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing. But uh, you know, Mike Alpha sixty
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  Speaker 1: six sent me a picture of his beard that he
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  Speaker 1: just shaved, and I sent him a picture of mine,
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  Speaker 1: and he says.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, oh no, Mike shaved his beard off completely. Oh no,
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  Speaker 4: oh no, he looks like a different person. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 4: uh totally wouldn't recognize him.
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  Speaker 1: He called going on a rookie beard. But uh, it
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  Speaker 1: is what it is.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: You can't win them all, that's right, I hear you.
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  Speaker 1: But happy to be as always, Happy Friday, Happy uh
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  Speaker 4: damn right and bungled.
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  Speaker 1: Was in the house.
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  Speaker 4: Colleen, our rocket queen is in the house. Jack is
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  Speaker 1: Give me five seconds. Ruby is trying to keep my
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  Speaker 1: Hey Robbie, and sorry, I had to get Ruby because
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, she just wanted to lick on the leg a
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  Speaker 4: little bit, that's all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And and a little update on the Cuban exile position.
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  Speaker 1: Ruby and I are in. We are in back channel
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe Ruby's not making a great case so far
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  Speaker 4: So put a little silk sitting on that ship.
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  Speaker 1: She might not eat. I'd be a little too hot
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  Speaker 1: for It's not a bad idea, although she would just
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  Speaker 1: where like we kind of bullshit over everything JFK, maybe
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  Speaker 4: Let's do it without further ed Ye. I wanted to
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  Speaker 4: clean some things up from the last show since I
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  Speaker 4: forgot all my notes at work exactly, Paul good fight
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  Speaker 1: No, you know, just warm with bad habits. But and
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't do that. There's mental icy vapes man
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  Speaker 4: you can handle it, Ashley, more power to you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: all right. So I remember last show I mentioned about
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  Speaker 4: Merryman Smith, the reporter who was in the motorcade who
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  Speaker 4: got into a fistfight with another newsman in the motorcade,
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  Speaker 4: fighting over their satellite phone they had there in the car.
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  Speaker 4: When we went over everything about Merryman Smith and all
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  Speaker 4: his awards over the years and how they got in
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  Speaker 4: his accolades and they kind of got taken away. But
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  Speaker 4: he ended up getting buried at Allington Cemetery and he
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  Speaker 4: wasn't a veteran. This a lot of weird stuff going
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  Speaker 4: on here. But I made the mistake of saying he
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  Speaker 4: was snitching on the Garrison investigation directly to Hoover. It
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  Speaker 4: was not directly to Hoover. This is what happens when
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  Speaker 4: I don't take my notes home. It was actually to
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  Speaker 4: Cartha Deloche, okay, who was like Hoover's what third fourth
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  Speaker 4: in command? Yeah, yeah, I think he was not number three,
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  Speaker 4: and he knew him so well. He starts off the
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  Speaker 4: letter dear Deeke, and of course Deeke is Carla Deep
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  Speaker 4: Delouche's you know nickname or middle name. Now he says
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  Speaker 4: dear Deeke, not mister Deloche or anything like that. So
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  Speaker 4: he says, enclosed is a wire copy, and this is
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  Speaker 4: from March sixth, sixty seven, so this is during the
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  Speaker 4: Garrison investigation, and closes a wire copy of the story
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  Speaker 4: I did as a result of my visits to New Orleans.
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  Speaker 4: I've never seen a story with such a sticky aftermath.
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  Speaker 4: The nuts keep after me by telephone. In the space
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  Speaker 4: of a couple hours yesterday, here is what happened to me.
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  Speaker 4: Jack Martin called my New Orleans bureau, that's his news bureau,
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  Speaker 4: to say he had highly confidential information for me at
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  Speaker 4: no fee, and that he would be dead in a week,
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  Speaker 4: that he was leaving his wife, and that he didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Like my story.
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  Speaker 4: Although he had not read it, and so on for
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  Speaker 4: ninety minutes.
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  Speaker 1: He talked to Jack Martin about this.
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  Speaker 4: Martin's lawyer, Tommy Boehmer, called to ask for a copy
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  Speaker 4: of the story I had written. The office told him
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  Speaker 4: to go buy the paper. I like that. That's a
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  Speaker 4: good answer. You want to coll you the story, spend
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  Speaker 4: a freaking nickel in the box, Jack right. David Lewis called,
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  Speaker 4: ostensibly to complain about my story as well, but to
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  Speaker 4: offer two to turn over to us evidence of a
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  Speaker 4: Washington plot to discredit Garrison. Martin incidentally said he was
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  Speaker 4: taking a number of pills and suffering from increasing numbness
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  Speaker 4: of his extremities. That fellow should change brands. I love
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  Speaker 4: the Garrison told me in confidence. And now I'm telling you,
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  Speaker 4: mister Deeck, mister Thurnd in command at the FBI, if
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  Speaker 4: such there be with this man, that he was going
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  Speaker 4: after a group of high status fags who at one
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  Speaker 4: time were quite involved with the lower echelons of the JFK. Plott.
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  Speaker 4: The arrest of Shaw, known to some as the quote
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  Speaker 4: Queen of the Quarter Joe, and interrogation of Dean Andrews,
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  Speaker 4: who supposedly has represented Homo's in a number of cases
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  Speaker 4: would seem to bear out Garrison's original intention. Martin now
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  Speaker 4: claims to have an unlisted phone number. It is five
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  Speaker 4: four nine four three six ninety four nine. What a dirty,
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  Speaker 4: dirty case. I certainly hope I don't ever have to
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  Speaker 4: go back down to New Orleans for anything. Sincerely, Smitty
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  Speaker 4: Merriman Smith. That made me lol, just a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: That was pretty funny, actually, just a little bit, just
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  Speaker 1: a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: So also from the last show, I had one page,
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  Speaker 4: I mean a two page document, Joe, that I showed
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  Speaker 4: everybody on here. It was a heavily highlighted story. Well,
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  Speaker 4: it's a document from the one we talked about when
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  Speaker 4: they were looking for Jack W. Martin and Gaudana in
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  Speaker 4: Natcha Tosius, Louisiana. It was a secret Service document from
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  Speaker 4: John Rice where you know, they're looking for Jack Martin
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  Speaker 4: before Oswald's even a okay in New Orleans. So somebody
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  Speaker 4: dropped a dime. Ond. Well, there was a second page
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  Speaker 4: to that document, and I did not have it uploaded,
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  Speaker 4: but I do have it here now and there is
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  Speaker 4: some interesting little pieces to this. So it goes on
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  Speaker 4: to say, apparently the Secret Service interviewed Ferry on the
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  Speaker 4: night of eleven twenty five, sixty three, and this was
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, it said, subsequent to our interview with Ferry,
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  Speaker 4: on the night of eleven twenty five sixty three, he
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  Speaker 4: was interviewed by FBI agents at the First District Police station.
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  Speaker 4: So what a subsequent mean, Joe, does that mean before
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  Speaker 4: or after?
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  Speaker 1: After?
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  Speaker 4: Four?
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  Speaker 1: He's after.
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  Speaker 4: So after our interview with Ferry, he was interviewed by
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  Speaker 4: the FBI. So the Secret Service actually interviewed David Ferry
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  Speaker 4: first on eleven twenty five sixty three.
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  Speaker 1: And that was long. He was obviously in Texas that weekend.
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  Speaker 1: I think he got back Sunday night, So he's getting
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  Speaker 1: interviewed the next.
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  Speaker 4: Day, right, Yes, now this is all member, this is
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  Speaker 4: a Secret Service document. So they say on eleven twenty six,
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  Speaker 4: sixty three, it was learned that FBI that an FBI
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  Speaker 4: that the FBI agents had talked with Jack S. Martin.
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  Speaker 4: That here's where it gets funny, who admitted that he
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  Speaker 4: had been the informant with regard to David William Ferry.
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  Speaker 4: That Martin had admitted to the FBI that the information
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  Speaker 4: which he had furnished Assistant DA Attorney Coleman was get
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  Speaker 4: this Joe quote, just a figment of his imagination. Now
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  Speaker 4: where have we heard this before?
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, of course, the lovely character who ends our
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  Speaker 1: show every night, and that is the infamous son Dean Andrews.
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  Speaker 4: I thought it was gonna have to bail you out
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  Speaker 4: there for a second.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad to change it. No, No, of Ruby like
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  Speaker 1: jumped off something whatever. Yes, Dean Andrews, of course.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. So Martin admitted that the information he had furnished
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  Speaker 4: to Assistant District Attorney Aaron Coleman was a figment of
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  Speaker 4: his imagination and that he had made up the story
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  Speaker 4: after reading the newspapers and watching television that he remembered
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  Speaker 4: that Coleman, who was a former newspaper reporter, had written
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  Speaker 4: an article or story about Ferry a couple of years ago,
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  Speaker 4: and he had pieced the whole thing together in his
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  Speaker 4: mind Joe and had given it to Coleman as facts.
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  Speaker 4: This sounds just like the Dean Andrews story.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: This is the first time that I've ever read or
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  Speaker 4: heard that Jack Martin admitted to making up.
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  Speaker 1: Anything yeah or giving yeah an excuse that I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if it was the Dean Andrew excuse because he
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  Speaker 1: wasn't like in the hospital, right, but he was incoherent.
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  Speaker 1: A love John, Thank you John. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 4: I love our beeps.
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  Speaker 1: Hey Lee.
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  Speaker 4: Henry Oswald is in the house. What's up, Roger?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Roger? How are you?
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  Speaker 4: It's our music guy. His his avatar matches our color scheme. Tonight, Joe,
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  Speaker 4: I like that little lilac purple purple.
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  Speaker 1: Haze on my brain.
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  Speaker 4: I like it. So it goes on to say. On
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  Speaker 4: the night of eleven twenty nine, Special Agent in charge
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  Speaker 4: Rice and reporting Agent interviewed Jack S Martin again at
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  Speaker 4: length in his small, shitty Rundown apartment. They didn't really
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  Speaker 4: say shitty, but I will and I'll show you a picture,
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  Speaker 4: Joe of Jack Martin's apartment.
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  Speaker 1: Really check this out.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he lived at the one three one one North
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  Speaker 4: Prior Street in New Orleans and it is still there today.
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  Speaker 4: Here you go, check this out. So this is Jack
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  Speaker 4: Martin's little apartment. His apartment was here on the side
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  Speaker 4: of the house, not on the front. It was this
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  Speaker 4: door with the overhang right here. That's where I lived
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  Speaker 4: with his wife and child. Isn't that ironic when you
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: think about life? Yeah, in Camp Street. Just wait, just wait,
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: I've got more goodies to show you later. Yeah. It
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: says that he's shared a small Rundown apartment located at
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: thirteen eleven North Prior Street, which he shares with his
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: wife and six year old son. Excuse me. Martin, who
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: has every appearance of being an alcoholic, admitted during the
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: interview that he suffers from telephonitis when drinking, and that
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: it was during one of his drinking sprees that he
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: telephoned assistant da Herman Coleman and told him this fantastic
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: story about David Ferry being involved with Lee Harvey Oswald.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: He said he had heard on television that Oswald had
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: at one time been active in the Civil Air Patrol
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: and had later heard that Ferry had been in his squadron.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Commander.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: Martin stated that Ferry was well known to him, that
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: he recalled having having seen rifles in Fairy's house, and
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: he also recalled that Coleman had written an article on
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: Ferry and that Fairry had been a marine and had
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: been with the Civil Air Patrol. Martin stated that after
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: turning all of these thoughts over in his mind, he
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: had telephoned Herman Coleman and told his story as though
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: it was based on facts rather than just his imagination.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: In view of the above, this phase of the investigation
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: involving William David Ferry will be considered closed. Now what's
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: interesting here, Joe, is it sounds to me like David
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: Faerry threatened to probably kill Jack Martin for diamond him
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: out to the FED, and that Jack Martin just made
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: up the fact that he made up the story out
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: of thin air because of one very important fact that
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: is known about Jack Martin. We know for a fact
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: that he told the FBI that he had seen a
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: picture in David Faerry's apartment of Lee Harvey Oswald in
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: this civil air patrol with David Ferry. And that picture
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: was not seen by the public until the late eighties
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: early nineties.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, decades after.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: So there's no way that Jack Martin could have known
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: that unless he had actually seen that picture. Okay, So
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: it sounds to me like Martin got to him and said, look,
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: you better shut the card, damn amount, I'm gonna you know,
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna pump you full of lead, buddy. So he
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: made up this telephone itis and thumb reason. You know,
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: I've decided to make up this story and you know
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: what I mean.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And telephone itis is equivalent to like a drunk
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: calling drunk texting, right, I think we've then many of us.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: Speak for yourself.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I sent back in my day, we.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: Had to actually call. We couldn't just text to pick
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: up the phone. You had to know the number. Call.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's rough, very rough.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: So then one document that I wanted to talk about
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: last week that I didn't upload and I didn't have
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: with me, and this will, this will, this will get
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: us all called up to this week is a letter
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: to Jim Garrison from Herrard Wiseberg on March sixteenth, nineteen
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: sixty eight. And oh it's a good one, he says.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: While I was eating tonight, I was paged for a
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: phone call at the restaurant from Jack Martin, who said
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: he was in Texas. It strikes me as remarkable that
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: he knew where I was and what I had been doing.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: He was precisely accurate, because these things he went into
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: are what I have been discussing. Either my room is
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: being bugged or there have been some excellent guesses. I
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: did discuss some but not all of it with Dean Andrews,
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: and I did get some of the information from Patricia Hoffman.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: Whoever the hell that is, I don't know. Jack began
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: abruptly by talking about Mike Slatder. This man has interested
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: me since April thirtieth, when I learned of him from
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: Orris Painia, knowing that Paenia arranged for me to learn
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: something about him on this trip. Moreover, it is possible
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: to infer what Martin said that he assumed I knew
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: something about Slatter. Martin began by identifying Slatter as the
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: son of a former British Air marshal and a secret
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: friend and former frontman for George Lincoln Rockwell, the head
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: of the party.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, bad people.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: Here. He also said that Banister was close to Rockwell ye,
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: and that Banister represented Rockwell. Martin said that Kent Courtney
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: presumably had those of Banister's files that were not burned
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: sent to Augusta, Georgia, to the publication known as The Thunderbolt.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Yep. And I think it was Mary Banister that said
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: that she had sold some files to Kent Courtney. I
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: think we went all right. Yeah.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: He now says that Banister and Delphine Roberts were quote
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: celebrating the assassination, and then when he asked them if
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: this is what they were doing, Banister slugged him in
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: Delphine's presence. He also said that just prior to his
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: being hit, he said he'd been talking about Ferry to Banister,
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: not all these things about which Martin could talk to me.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: I'm wondering why he mentioned only things I discussed with
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: witnesses during the past few days. It was not until
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: about three nights ago that I learned about Slatter's name.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: I discussed Banister's file with Dean Andrews last Saturday and
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: briefly this afternoon. Now, oras Panya did tell me that
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: although something showed signs of it.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know what.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: I can't read that word. It's blacked out, showed signs
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: of it. When she was with me for dinner Wednesday.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: After they left, she was angry with him for a rain.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Now what he's talking about here is or Hispania arranged
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: for Harold Wiseberg to have dinner with Delphine Roberts. Okay, yeah,
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: that is interesting. After they left, she was angry with
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: him for arranging it. She called me a brain picker
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: and seemed pretty clearly to resent my having learned what
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: I had from her. So apparently he's smarter than the
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: average bear, and he got her to talk when she
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: didn't want to, she pipped. He goes on to say
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Joe that Delphine now works at NASA at the Michaud plant.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: She had been Mike Slatterer's girlfriend, whoever the hell Mike
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: slatter is, and also has been or Ispania's girlfriend on
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: and off. What so she's getting passed around like a
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: party joke, you know what I'm saying.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And of course Rob, we know a lot of
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: the timan Lee Harvey after Riley was hopeful he would
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: possibly get hired by NASA, and a lot of people
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: from Riley, A.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: Bunch of people that worked at Riley went to work there.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: That's that's so interesting.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So he says this about Delphine. She is a
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: local country girl in her thirties. I'd estimate blonde, at
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: least on Wednesday night she was with a vagrant right
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: hand lock that curls off to itself about five eight
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: and shoes that she had on. She is radical right,
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: has been friendly with Banister and still is with Badeaux.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: Whoever that is. God says he wrote no Badeau. Okay,
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: he says he wrote a book after he went to
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: Jefferson Parish or As now thinks get this ship or
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: rest Pinion now thinks that Delphine was with him the
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: night of the Oswald drunk incident at his bar, that
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: when she was there she usually stayed up late with him,
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: and that she saw this drunk account. If so, she
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: made no reference to it the night when we dined together.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: She then seemed pleasant. After dinner we adjourned to my
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: room for further discussion. So Widberg even got Delphine Roberts
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: up to his bed or his hotel room after dinner.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: This is like a Hugh Ainsworth Marina type of thing.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: Then too, she showed no resentment at being interviewed. So
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: that's crazy, bro, crazy, that's and that's real quick.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, allegedly had a relationship with Delphine.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: He was banging her off and on. He says now
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: that Delphine was there the night of the alleged Oswald's
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: drunk incident at his bar.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, so.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: After all this talk about the NASA, you know Micheau incident, right,
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: I went looking a little bit about the what what
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: is this place? Right? I've heard about it. I don't
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: know what it is. I know it's NASA related. So
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: here's what here's here's the deal with Michelle.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: The facility was originally constructed in nineteen forty.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, we don't we know. NASA wasn't around back then. Okay, But.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: It was originally constructed in nineteen forty at the village
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: of Michell, Louisiana, by the Higgins Tucker division of Higgins
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: Industries under the direction of Andrew Jackson.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Higgins.
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: Construction was done on behalf of the United States government
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: for the war production during World War Two of Plywood
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: and Sea seventy six cargo planes and the Higgins boat
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: landing crap. The project cost one hundred and eighty million
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: dollars in nineteen forty. Yeah. I think that a lot
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: of money.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's two point eight billion now. Yeah. And
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I think the landing crafts at Normany were the Higgins boats.
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: Right, yeah, yeah, I believe so. So it says production
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: of the C seventy six never commenced and it's dead.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: Produce two Curtis see forty six commando planes in nineteen
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: forty three and the remaining order was canceled in nineteen
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: forty four. So for the first four years, after spending
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty million dollars to open as plant,
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: they never got their C seventy six production off the
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: ground and only produced two planes. But a giant waste
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: of money, right, So the facility was referred to as
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: the National Guard Field in nineteen forty nine. So within
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: the span of a decade and all this money poured
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: into it, it fizzled out and farted until finally they're
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: not even really using it anymore for anything. The war
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: is over now. It's the National Guard Field by nineteen
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: forty nine, and it became totally inactive by nineteen fifty two.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: During the Korean War, it was enlisted to make engines
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: for the Sherman and Patent tanks and boasted a five
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: five hundred foot paved runway. It came under the management
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: of NASA in nineteen sixty one and was used for
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: the construction of the SIC first stage of the Saturn
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: b rockets and the SIB first stage of the Saturn
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: IB rockets built by Chrysler Corporation. It is the home
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: to the first stage of the last construction Saturn five
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: SA fifteen built by the Boeing Company. Okay, to check
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: out this, Joe, hold on. You know we're talking like
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: the ass end of these big ass rockets right right.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: You know, this is like the fuel part of you know,
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: they get them off the ground. This is what the
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: inside of the show looks like. Now for the big
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: picture of view, well why not big picture, but here's
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: what it kind of looks like. It's kind of right
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: on a port, a little inland port there, Yeah, the
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: water where it has barges where they can ship off
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: you know, I guess pieces of parts around the horn
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: to either Texas or Florida. So it's kind of been
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: a good spot for NASA. And you can kind of
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: see the facility back there. Here's a better drone shot
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: of the facility and how actually big it is. It's
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: pretty huge now. Of course, if you remember some years
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: ago during Hurricane Katrina. Okay, New Orleans was hit very
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: hard by Hurricane Katrina. But luckily for the government funded
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: with show NASA plant. Okay, that is situated right on
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: the waterfront. Okay, it is the only thing that is
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: still above water and not flooded and green and grassy
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: with their little encampment there. H totally everything else, everything
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: else is underwater that you see, except for the Micheau
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: production facility, which is this green you know, to the
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: right of the picture. Everything else is actually underwater in
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: this picture. Wow.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: So did they pick the high ground or did they?
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Joe.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: It's a rabbit hole.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I did not go down.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: But you know, insert conspiracy theory here is all I'm saying.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Oh, I'm all about it, man,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I'm all about it. Yeah.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: But yeah, they employed thousands of people. They built all
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: these rockets, and then they started building of course, fuel
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: tanks for the space shuttles and all that jazz portions
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: of check this out. NASA has an agreement in place
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: to rent out a portion of the facility to Big
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: Easy Studios Joe, a New Orleans film studio. This deal
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: has been criticized by competing studios as violating NASA's rule
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: that any deal with an outside entity must serve the
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: agency's mission and must not compete with the private sector.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: NASA officials defend the agreement, stating that this helps offset
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: the cost of unused space at the facility. Some of
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: the movies that have been filmed here are partially filmed
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: here are the Harrison Ford movie End His Game, the
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: Channing Tata movie g I Joe Retaliation, and Dawn of
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: the Planet of the Apes. We're actually filmed at the
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: NASA show facility. Interesting, pretty great, Gray, right, Yeah, but
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: that is just a little bit of a clean up
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: from last week, So I apologize for that, and we're
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: going to get into it a little bit more about
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: another New Orleans figure, Joseph taken Away, my friend, Let's
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: learn a little bit more about mister Carlos Roga, who
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: actually have a couple of pictures of here real quick,
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: so let's show the people who we're talking about here. Okay,
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: this is Carlos Kiroga on the right, along with his
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: beautiful wife Maria Hiro.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a daughter An.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and of course, as soon as Joe found out
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: she's one hundred percent Italian from Sicily, we're done here.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: So you have a full blooded Cuban and a full
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: blooded Italian.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Having a baby.
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: You know that they're gonna be firecrackers. He had three daughters.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: Now this is him and his wife again, this is
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: him with his three daughters. What you know, good looking family,
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: good looking guy, Carlos Karroga. And here he is with
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: his beautiful bride, still at the age of eighty, celebrating
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: their probably fifty or sixtieth winning anniversary. Right now, folks,
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: I did find this for Joe. Carlo's Karroga did pass
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: away in twenty nineteen, five years ago. Uh, he was
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: at the age of eighty three, and this is him.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: It says right there. He proceeded in death by his parents,
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: survived by his loving wife of fifty nine years, Maria
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: shiro Kirouga. So this is definitely him, folks. So he
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: lived a nice long life. So Joe, let's find out
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: a little bit more about mister carlos Ka coum roll
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: like that, carlos k.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: It's funny. My girlfriend asked me, She's like, what's your
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: topic today? And I said Carlos Kiroga and she was
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: like what what?
• 42:45
  Speaker 7: What?
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: Had no tune in find out?
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, she's probably watching there. I'm probably gonna
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: text about it later.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: Hey, yeah, let me uh bring this up here.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: But before we do, Rob, the schedule for Lancer has
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: come out. Did you know that I did not.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: I do know the title for the Lancer presentations apparently
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: came out. Oh folks, real quick, Joe, before you get
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: to tell this, before we get into this, tell the
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: story Doug of the Lone Cooming podcast. Everybody knows and
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: loves Doug wait or the Dallas Action Sorry.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Douglas.
• 43:44
  Speaker 8: Joke on Joe, I said, of course, why wouldn't I.
• 43:48
  Speaker 8: He's like, hey, man, we take it home from work
• 43:50
  Speaker 8: today and just say, hey, you know, I just got
• 43:53
  Speaker 8: home and I saw that they posted everybody's topics for
• 43:57
  Speaker 8: for for Lancer, know what everybody's gonna be talking about,
• 44:01
  Speaker 8: and just say just say something like really, dude, like
• 44:06
  Speaker 8: you couldn't come up with a better name, and just
• 44:08
  Speaker 8: leave it kind of vague. And then Joe took the
• 44:11
  Speaker 8: bait and he's like what did he say? I said, Uh,
• 44:17
  Speaker 8: Doug Campbell and Joe really present what we found on
• 44:20
  Speaker 8: the internet. I was like, really that you couldn't come
• 44:23
  Speaker 8: up with a better title than that, And uh, he
• 44:27
  Speaker 8: was like, where's I said, Lancer posted it? And he's like,
• 44:30
  Speaker 8: are you fuckingidding me? I said, no, dude, go look, He's.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: Like I can't find it.
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: I can't find it.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: I can't believe it.
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: In the meantime, me and Doug are dying. And yeah,
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: it went on for a couple of hours before we
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: finally uh he finally realized we were pulling pulling a
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: fast one on him.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: But yeah, good stuff. Yeah. So, I mean, Doug and
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: I are like finalizing the name for our presentation and
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Canadathan Gabby Senecer uh asked us for the presentation name
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: and Doug said, as a joke to me, the title
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: should just be things we found on the internet. And
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: then when you said that to me, I was like,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: what that was a joke. He wasn't supposed to tell
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: them that, Like what the fuck? Like Like I was like,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: you completely got me. I was it was a good
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: It was a good joke. And and then I messaged Doug.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, brah, what's up? You told them that
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: was the name of our our presentation And then I
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: figured it out and uh, yes, I am, I am funny. No,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: it's hilarious, and and I was I am the gullible one,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: I think and uh, but you know, credit to uh
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: the Zeekers because we were initially going to respond uh
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: present on Sunday and you know I'm flying in Thursday night.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: The twenty second is on a Friday, and I didn't
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: want to have to check out at the hotel and
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: worry about presenting and whatever else, So they moved us
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: to Saturday, and.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: We'll pop the schedule back up there.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to have so Friday on the twenty second,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Mike Swanson, friend of the show Wall Street, Mike Yep
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: is going to lead it off target Cuba or Vietnam.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Then you have Sarah Jordan, Jordan Heights, Brian Edwards, Casey Quinnlin,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: and then at dinner and special presentation which I don't
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: know what that is, but that will be interesting. And Rob,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: we have to figure out what we're gonna do because,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: as you know, we go live Friday nights. Friday, the
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: conference is the twenty second, might not be at seven pm.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: We're in discussions, but maybe will have like some hotel
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: after We will go live.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: At some point Friday evening. Yes, Joe may or may
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: not be drunk.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you never know, but we will have maybe
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: a guest or two in the hotel sessions type of thing.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: But on Saturday it's stack. Rob Dick Russell is kicking.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: It off, will Oh Hallery, Dick Russell.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, Sir Jacob Harbor, the Big Willie O Hallerman Yeah,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: and then Bob Nelson at noon, and then Paul Blow,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Meek, David Boylan at one pm. Then at two
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: thirty car Minesepistano, Friend of the Show of course, will
• 47:57
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• 48:10
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• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Yep tb a U pre headliner to Bill Simpach and
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: then the banquet dinner at seven pm. So I know,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Doug and I are really excited about that, And I mean,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: can he get get any better than between Gail Knicks
• 48:37
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• 48:42
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean that's a that's a threesome.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Ah yeah.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: If there was another chicken.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: There, maybe, if you were in there, maybe what And
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Sunday is is packed as well, Gary Fannon, Daniel Sheehan,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Andy Keel, lunch break, Fred Letwin, Friend of the Show,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Alex Harris, then a presentation by Larry Hancock and David Boylan.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Matt DeWitt at four pm. Holland Robert Roden, janeck Roden,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: and Paul Blow to close it out.
• 49:28
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• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and and I think it's important to mention, you know,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: there's a couple other not cool conferences going on at
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Dallas at that time. Of course, the Judith very bigger
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: conference and one did you hear Did.
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: You hear about that? Real quick? I got an email, Yeah,
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: since you bring it up. Of course you got to
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: put this out there, because I was like, what the
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: F is going on here? I'm on so many of
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: these JFK email lists, you know. Yeah, I get shipped
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: from all around the world apparently, so somehow I'm on
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: uh see, I mean I know why I am. We
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: went to his con friends ten years ago.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Excuse me? Where is it?
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: M M.
• 51:12
  Speaker 9: I don't think, well, maybe I had deleted it. Let
• 51:16
  Speaker 9: me look at my trash can I don't think I
• 51:22
  Speaker 9: would have because I wanted to save it because I
• 51:25
  Speaker 9: couldn't believe it. Damn it search in mail from here
• 51:34
  Speaker 9: it is huh okay. Of course, the Cuckoo Conferences, as
• 51:40
  Speaker 9: it is effectually known, get this. One of the highlights
• 51:47
  Speaker 9: of their conference.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Joe is going to be.
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: The testimony and cross examination of Judith Varry Baker under
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: oathed hand on the Bible regarding her relationship with Lee
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: Harvey Oswald. And that's not all, folks. A noted trial
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: lawyer named Steve Kennedy will conduct an official deposition of
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: Judith Very Baker for the record, with JFK historian presenter
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: Dory Wiley providing the introduction. This is just one of
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: the many outstanding presentations at this event. You can find
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: all information concerning registration and hotel accommodations that are blah
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah blah.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: I read that and I was like, you got to
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: be yeah, because it's obviously it could be under oath, right,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: but it's not actually under oath, right unless you're testifying
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: grand jurior trial.
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: Like it's all official, Joe, it's all officials and on
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: the Bible, you know what I mean, Like it's for
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: real by a lawyer, a real life deposition named Kennedy
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: in the Bible Heart to God.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and a lawyer named Kennedy too.
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: So you gotta pardon me as my eyes rolled to
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: the back of my skull and then back around to
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: my eyeball of sockets.
• 53:23
  Speaker 10: Again, it's silly and it's nonsense, and I think most
• 53:30
  Speaker 10: our listeners know that. So silly, silly, Yeah, So we
• 53:35
  Speaker 10: implore you to support the Best Conference because a lot
• 53:39
  Speaker 10: of the present presenters there, you.
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: Know, good idea bungled hook that bitch up to a
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: polygraph machine.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: But the problem with that they were bungled.
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: She probably believes she has been telling this lie for
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: so many years. Yeah, she probably believes every single delusional
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: word of it.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: That's the problem exactly.
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: She is literally cuckoo. She comes out the clock every
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: hour on the hour.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, And I do think
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: you're right. She probably believes it at this point, so
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: she might pass like a few questions and then everyone
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: will be like, oh, she's told the truth, but like.
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: Doug Campbell will be doing the cross examination and she
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: just very bigger.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Well, Rob, let me say it only So there are
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: three conferences, right, and all of them are going to
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: be in the Lee Plaza on the twenty second, which
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: is Friday, So you're going.
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: To have well, here's the thing, Joe. So when I
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: was there in twenty nineteen, same thing. You have the
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: Cuckoo conference going on, and then Lancer and Kappa were
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: doing a conference together. So all three were in Daly
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: Plaiza at the same time in twenty nineteen, and you
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: had Judith Baker and Beverly Oliver Ango is the writer behind.
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: Was he there, Yeah, he was there wet pants and
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: bel cur shoes and all. But in his defense, he
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: did sleep through a few presentations. But again, yeah, you
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: can't make this stuff up. But again, all three were there.
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: They're putting on a show. Beverly's singing, you know, Judy's
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: you know, giving this big speech, and it was just
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: and everybody's like, the fuck is going on here?
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: Basically it was a ship show.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's exactly what it's gonna be.
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: I feel like people yelling shut up, liar.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: I mean it was just off the hook.
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: Bro, Wow, people shut up.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: No, you shut up. We might have to live stream
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: that one, Rob, but.
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: Really live from the grassy. No on my scooter.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: And hello, mister Douglas.
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: D C is in the house. We're not We're not lying, Doug.
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you you're you're gonna have the Cuckoo Conference,
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: You're gonna have the old fart Conference, which is Kappa,
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: and then you're gonna have Lancer, which is actually having
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: a lot of the younger generation of researchers there. Now
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: there will be some a couple of elderly folks there,
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: but not you know. The slory of it is new faces.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: They even are.
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: Going out of a limb this year and allowing a
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: known loan nutter to present. Okay, Fred Litwin, who just
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: to piss everybody off, we're going to have on the
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: show here in a couple of weeks.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: Wow. So wow.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: I think it's only fair. Uh you know, because look,
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: if it doesn't matter where it comes from, if somebody
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: can set the record straight about something that has been
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: cannon for fifty or sixty years, and something comes along
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: where somebody can debunk something that has been held as
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: a you know, close for example, in his new book,
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: and he's representing about this in Dallas as well. He
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: can seemingly, he says, he can seemingly debunk the Rose
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: share Me story, So that would be interesting. Maybe he can,
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: maybe he can't. I don't know. I have not read
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: his book yet. I have not heard what he has
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: to say about it at all. But if he found
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: something that debunks the Rows share Me story, then we
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: need to know about it. Yeah, and its to l
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: answer for having him there. And while there he is
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: going to be, you know, a piece of pepper and
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: a salt shaker. So be nice to Fred. Friend's a
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: nice guy. Don't go out in sideways. He's very reasonable
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: to talk to unless you're just stupid.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: You know, both sides have crazy nutbags on him. The
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: lone nutters have them, the conspiracy side has them.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: You know, you can go to a.
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: Whole conference of kooky ass shit if you want to.
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, People that make conspiracy theoris
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: look bad right over there, you know, Or you can
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: break coot and come together where we present things in
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: a nice manner with respectable people and let the chips
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: lie where they may haven't. Maybe Fred got some stuff right,
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: maybe he didn't.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: I haven't heard it yet, but hopefully he would join
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: us here on the show before Lancer uh here in
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: a couple of weeks. I want a chance to read
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: his book first before I have him on. He has
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: reached out to me. I've not answered him yet because
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: I just got his book in the mail the other day,
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: but I have not read it yet. So but he
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: definitely wants to come on the show, and we will
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: have him on the show. And it is what it is,
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: so yeah, and Rob tune for that.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: That's uh. Rob has dropped that on me too. And
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: you know, I never got the the idea of just
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: because someone has a different opinion or take on things,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: that they should be boycotted or completely vilified. Like and
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: I've never spoken with Fred law I listened to the
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: episode you had with them.
• 59:57
  Speaker 11: Uh.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: But like I, I think the book is debunking a
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: lot of Garrison things. Maybe he's right on some of them,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: maybe he's wrong on some of them, but it gives
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: us better clarity, if you can tie up one or
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: two things whatever. I don't know.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: It's like our buddy Will says, there's another thing he does.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: He goes in on Richard case Negel. Yeah, which I've
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: even gone in onto before. Garrison's mister X's Miguel full
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: of shit. Probably there's no evidence was over to back
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: up any of his claims. Yeah, you know he was injured.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: Is what happened in the bank weird? Yeah? Does it
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: mean anything?
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but apparently, you know, liv And says he can
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: debut it, So you know, we're gonna have him on
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: and see what he has to say. Yeah, that's what
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: we can do, is have a conversation about it. Yeah,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: then you can you can choose from there whether you
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: want to agree or not.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 9: You know, but.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: And I enough to say, Okay, let him on. Let's
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: have a conversation about it, see what he has to say. Yeah.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: You know, just because he's a learned another does not
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: mean I automatically it will be like, no, dude, you
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: can't go on the show. I don't want to hear
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: what you have to say.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Blah blah blah.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: But there are people like that right, who won't have
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: somebody like Fredlick went on the show because they're scared
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: scared of what, you know, scared of what a disagreement
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: having a conversation was. Look, we're all human beings, Okay.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: Obviously Fred cares a lot about the Garretson investigation and
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: the wrongs done against Clay Shaw and the homosexual community
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: and all of that jazz, and he has every break
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: to feel that way, and some of it is very,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: very valid for sure. So it's important to have people
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: like that on the show to have a conversation. You know,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: he does research, he does go by the documents, so
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: we're gonna have him on and have a conversation, So
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: stay tuned.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I I never got the whole like if you're
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: a low nutter, like I'm going to completely tune you
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: out type of thing. I never got it, maybe because
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: like I never like like got involved in the message boards,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: like the fights on them, and I don't know, it's
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: just it's not me, like I'm I'm happy to listen
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: to anyone's opinion as long as they're relatively informed, you
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. But some people that it's like
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not scared to rock a pink vape.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 7: So no, it is what it is.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: I'm man enough to rock a pink vape. Yeah, okay,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: I question me.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: Pink berry ice play bergroom, Yeah, exactly exactly.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: Well, you have to for the next quick hits.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: But more of that.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: Your boy is a clair voyant. That's all I'm gonna say.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: Just that's a little preview for next quick hit. Clay Burkin,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: good hit too.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: All right, well, all right, let's get into Carlos Kiroga
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: for a little while. And he is an interesting figure
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: in Now Orleans. MS Gassin who admittedly met Lee Harvey Oswalt.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: He was a Cuban exile and anti Castro Cuban residing
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: in New Orleans, and following Oswalt's arrest on August ninth,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three, Kiroga on August sixteenth, contacted Oswalt went
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: over to his apartment on Magazine Street at the behest
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: of Carlos Springer in an effort to penetrate Oswalt's fair
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: play for Cuba Committee organization.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: So thought you're gonna say to penetrate Lee Harvey oswalk Well,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: this boy, hitter, I think I.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: Can't debunk that per se.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: But uh, just with future reverence. Watch out for the
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: next quick hitsause we might be talking about that as well.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: Played Berkeley good Ye all right, So.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: A lot of people have written about carlos Kiroga and
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: among the best researchers in the community. From the twelfth
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: part essay The twelve Whood built the Oswalt legend by
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Bill Simpach. He gave the old time.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: So, like most of us know, on August ninth, nineteen
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: sixty three, uh, there was a fracas in New Orleans
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: or Brigner and a couple other Cuban exiles and Lee
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: Harvey osw Walt were arrested for I think it was
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: disturbing the peace. And on August tenth, I just want
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: to go over the timeline real quickly. That is when
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: Special Agent John quickly reported that Oswalt was desirous of
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: seeking an FBI agent and supplying him information with regards
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: to his activities with a Fair Play for Cuba committee
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: on August sixteenth, and I believe we have footage of this,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: rob This was the footage of Oswalt passing out leaflets
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: with a couple other young people and that was I
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: believe after.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: Well, we don't have footage, but there is footage.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: I mean I think we showed it at some point
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: recently in the past month. That's debatable. Yeah, it comes
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: to play. What's up, Lee? Thank you, Thank you, buddy,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thanks dollars for Joe.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: Copping the buzz before the conference. I'm sure that will
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: actually happen, Lee, money well invested, sir, hoping.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: I respect that one. Thank you.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: You can have a nice mixed drink for ten dollars,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: my friend. And so.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see so on Oswalt's six On August sixteenth,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: Oswalt went out to leaflet again with Banister's five forty
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: four Campster address stamped on his fair play for Cuba leaflets.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: He had some interesting company at the site. The maintenance
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: supervisor at the trademark, mister Bridges, was on the scene.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: The owner of the trademark, Clay Shaw, had been a
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: CIA source for many years. Dr E Military Leader is
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: a drow Borja was watching and w DSU TV filmed
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: the eight sixteen Did you.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 4: Play as over in the on August ninth section that
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: FBI informant or Spania was watching Oswald and that CIA
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: agent William Goldette was watching Oswald as well from his office.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: I think I did, sir, Yeah, I just wanted to
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: reiterate that Thankane comes up again.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and yeah, very interesting there, Thank you, Rob.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: And so Later on August sixteenth, Cuban exiles Carlos Curroga,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: FBI and Formant number T five visited Oswalt with the
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: ostensible purpose of trying to join the Fair Play for
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: Cuba Committee. The story is that Curroga was asked by
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: bringing to penetrate Oswalt's group. Oswalt's land lady said that
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: she saw Kiroga was delivering a five inch stack of
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: fair Play for Cuba Committee flyers to Oswalt and let
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: it be known that she didn't want any of those
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: flyers around her property. Kioga said that Oswalt, this was
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: Oswalt's land lady and magazine street.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: So she said, Carlos Karroga delivered fair Play for Cuba
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: Committee flyers a five inch stack to Oswald.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: Correct, And that's that's a detailed the description of yeah, yeah,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: it doesn't.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: It doesn't line up with Kiroga's story that he's trying
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: to be an undercover informant. For the you know, for
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: the DA or the or the New Orleans Police or
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: the FBI by penetrating Oswald's Fair Play for Cuba Committee group.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: That sounds to me like he's part of helping Oswald
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: in his little fair Play for Cuba ruse.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah, it's uh, it's very fascinating. And Kurroga
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: said that Oswalt spent a little time with him but
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: told him to go away. It's hard to say if
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: they were adversaries or actually working in concert. So I think,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: you know, carlos Kiroga friends with Brigner, involved with the CRC.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: He was actually let go of being an FBI informant
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: because they had not liked his quote detective mindset right,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: like he was going around kind of playing double agent
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: and and they didn't like that. So he was up
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: to something and he oh my godness here.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 5: On the.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: So this is a little snippet from Tipping Point by
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: Larry Hancock about carlos Kiroga. As noted above, Lee Harvey,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: Oswalt was already engaged with the Fair Play for Cuba
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: Committee as a pro castro supporter when he made his
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: first contact with the Cuban community in New Orleans a
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: contact with its most active anti Castro element. The much
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: discussed contact began with an offer to buy bonds which
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: the Diary had had been selling. Oswalt's offer of financial
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: support for the anti castro effort was immediately rejected. And
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: that's when he was told he was told they were
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: no longer be sold. And that's when he offered his
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: service as a military trainer. Yeah.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: Thanks, Philip Garacci, the third Great continued, sir.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Phil Oswalt's landlady at the time later interviewed
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: and described seeing kurroga visit Oswalt caring what appeared to
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: be a stack of leaflets, very possibly Fairplay for Cuba leaflets.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: Oswald can be shown to have requested materials from the
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: Fair Play for Cuba Committee itself. However, an approach by
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: Kioga with FPCC materials in hand would have certainly been
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: consistent with the visit being a test of Oswalt's true affiliations.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: So this is August sixteenth, It's a week after the fracas, right,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: six days after.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: They had right around the time he's going on the
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: radio and TV interviews, right.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he went on the day after. Yeah, So Krougus
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: kinda going to Oswalt feeling him out and seeing what
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: really is he up to? Is he a communist uh
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: publicly and like trying to drop draw out other communists,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: or is he actually Procastro and allegedly bring.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: Here or is he trying to work with Oswald bringing
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: him leapless to hand out.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's a simple explanation.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: I mean you're trying to get you know, we're trying
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: to go too deep here making speculations when you know
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: howkins razor, Hey, if if Caruga is bringing Oswald flyers
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: the hand out what to tell you, then he's either
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: part of the effort to set up Oswald for this,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: you know. And he was also very very chummy with
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: Sergio or conscious Smith, who's his His organization was held
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: at five point forty four Camp Street, which showed up
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: on the flyers, which it's odd. So maybe it wasn't
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: Oswald to put that that address on it. Maybe he
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: got it from Caroga and his stack fly.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very possible. It's just interesting. It's a week
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: after the whole fracas and they're kind of the exiles
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: are kind of testing Oswald out right.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is after swarming him at the courtroom
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: for his bail hearing. Yeah yeah, and we should that
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: it included Caroga bring A.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: Who else was it Amelia Rodrigez I believe, or Ernessa
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: or Amelia Rorigos, one of the Emilia. I think it
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: was Amelia. Yeah, yeah, very interesting. So what the hell
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: is going on here?
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: This I found in the Malcolm Blunt archives. And Kuruga
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: is a Cuban refugee and a militant anti Castro partisan.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: He appears to have known Guy Banister and told Washington
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: Star staff writer that Ferry had been a frequent visitor
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: at Banister's offices. He has confidential informant number n O
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: T five, number T five. Who who gave you New Orleans?
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought it was a number,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: reading quickly, yeah, yep, yeah, good, thank you.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: He had gone to Oswald's home on Magazine Street on
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: a pretext of interest in the fair Play for Cuba
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: committee and obtained some literature. After a lengthy discussion with Oswalt,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: he turned the literature over to Carlos Brignier, who was
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: also carefully following Oswalt's activities. Kurroga offered his services to
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: the New Orleans District Attorney staff as a kind of
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: undercover agent in the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, but
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: was rejected.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: Yep, yep.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: And we just mentioned him. Rob Arnesto Rodriguez, who we
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: did a segment recently. Oswaldt went to him. He was
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: running the language school. Yeah, told interviewing Secret Service agents
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: on December first, nineteen sixty three.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: That I'm sorry and continue, I just said this. This
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: backs up what I just said, Yeah, exactly.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: Uh, that Kuruga had been closely associated with Sergio Kasha
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: Smith in the CRC before Smith left the group. Uh.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: Kiuga was served with a subpoena on May eighth and
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: appeared before the New Orleans Grand Jury. And we will
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: get to that in a second. Rob, his grand jury
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: testimony is worth its weight and laughs.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so is his polygraphic examination.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, let's just get to it now. So he
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: did not want to talk to the Garrison grand jury
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: at all? How many people did?
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: True?
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: And you'll uh, you'll see why now. Uh he says
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: he don't. He doesn't. He has been threatened by a
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: man in the District Attorney's office with perjury if he
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: testified So he's saying someone in Garrison's office threatened him
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: with perjury if he testified. Therefore, he does not want
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: to incriminate himself and will stand on his constitutional rights.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: This is Alcock, I believe. Well, let me ask you this, Carlos.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: Are you saying that, beyond your name and address, you
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: will not testify? If I would testify, I would be
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: threatened by a man in the DA's office with perjury.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: I do not want to testify. I stand on my rights.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: Mister Alcock. I would like to get from you today.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: What sort of threat you are talking about. He goes,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: I can't testify here because I've been threatened. He repeats it, right,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: who threatened you? I stand on my rights. So it's
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: an interesting defense, right, I'm not sure if he's threatened,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: but interesting strategy here. And do you think you'd be
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: incriminating yourself if you name the man who threatened you
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: in the District Attorney's office? Because they're taking this pretty
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: seriously in the grand jury, right he's saying this, Yeah,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: mister Garrison chimes in, Now let me tell you this,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: regardless of what any member of my staff may have
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: told you, I am now telling you I'm the DA,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: and you will not be charged with perjury if you
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: tell the truth. We only charge people with perjury when
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: they lie under oath. Now I have told you that
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: as DA, and you can disregard the so called threat
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: you are talking about. Now, will you testify and answer
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: our questions? I again don't want to criminate myself, so
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: you can imagine how frustrated.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: But again, if he's doing this stuff with Oswald, he
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: has every right to be scared to death to testify,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: to incriminate himself. He doesn't want to talk to Garrison
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: for a good reason. Yeah, especially if they know that
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: he's lying. Because well, we'll get to it. Yeah.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: And mister there's only one problem, Carlos. You told us
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: these things, but when you were asked the same questions
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: in front of the lie detector test, the lie detector
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: indicated you were not telling the truth in regard to
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: all these points. Of course, we want the truth, not
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: what you told them. Yeah, why don't you tell them
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: the rest of the story about the lie detector test? Again,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: a fascinating response in the Grand Jury. I will be
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: glad to mister Garrison. In fact, I will ask you
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: all the questions I asked you during the polygraph. Well,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: let's stick to the point. Let's not start on that
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: long story anyway. Mister Ricardo Davis is lying, is lying, okay.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: David Lewis told us that he saw you with Lee
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: Harvey Oswalt on at least four occasions. In fact, he
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: said that he had never seen Lee Harvey also walk
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: without your being with him.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 4: Now we have.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: Now we gave him the light detector test on that
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: question and he passed it. And when we gave you,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: Carlos Kiroga a light detector test on your statement that
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: you only saw Oswald once, you failed it. And Kiroga's response, again, gentlemen,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: I have come here with good intentions. I am telling
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: you the truth and nothing but the truth. So help
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: me God, interest And I'm skipping. I'm skipping along because
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: it's actually seventy pages long.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a long one.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: It's really long. Have you ever been in five point
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: forty four Camp Street in early sixty one and early
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: sixty two? Yes, I was. Were you a member of
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: an organization which had offices there? Which offices you mean,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: says Garrison, the Cuban Democrat Democratic Revolutionary Front? Where you
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: associated with them, and he goes and Garrison answer him again.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: Were you associated with any organization that had offices at
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: five point forty four km Street. Yes, Kroga says it
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: closed down in sixty two, mister Ravel closed the office.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: Did you ever see Sergio Katcha Smith there?
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: Did you ever see David Ferry there in that office
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: in sixty one? Yes, Kioga?
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: I think so.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: H So, then they got down to the polygraph, and
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: Kiroga's like, I don't want to answer these questions. I
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: answered them already in the polygraph, Like go back to that,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: like he's he's being a He's really like annoying them.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: And but you took the polygraph and you passed most
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: of the questions. Now I want to talk about some
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: of the questions you failed. We can go into my
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: instance of your taking the test, and I did insist that,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: but we can go into that later. But let's go
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: into the questions you failed. You passed many of them,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: and you don't seem to have been affected by your
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: nervous condition. Then, knowing Oswalt, knowing that he was not
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: actually a communist, knowing that the fair play for Cuba
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: was a cover in those areas. The lie detector test
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: showed that you were lying. That is what we want
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: to go into today instead of stalling and going in
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: other directions. And Kiroga says the same thing he's been
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: saying for a long time now. I don't want to
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: incriminate myself. I stand on my rights of the Fifth Amendment,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: mister Garrison, mister k Among the questions you failed and
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: the light detector test was the question do you have
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: any firsthand knowledge of the conspiracy to assassinate President Kennedy?
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: And you answered no, and the light detector test indicated
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: that there was deception on your part. What do you
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: have to say about that? And this is interesting, Rob
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: because a few times a juror in the grand jury
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: is asking a question and chiming in. I've never seen
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: that before. And if you don't want publicity, this is
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: your place to say it. We want to help protect
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: your family. We know there's reluctance is from getting this
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: out and your parents suffering. We want to help you.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: And Carlos Kiroga's father was in a Cuban prison at
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: the time, So this is the excuse he gave. He
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to talk because if he did, Castro would
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: kill his father, and Krogas says this the meeting I
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: had Lee Harvey Oswald in sixty three, I gave full
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: information to the FBI and the Secret Service, and I
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: requested them not to make a public at the time.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: And again, my father was in prison. I could be
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: shot at any time, and they still made it public.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: They did not give it to the public because, for example,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: I myself and who have still in my possession a
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: slip to join that organization and a crime against Cuba
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah. So he's allegedly concerned that he doesn't
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: want his name to get out because his dad is
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: still in a Cuban prison and that he might get
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: shot if you talked. So I don't think that's the reason,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: but I mean it's a decent cover, right, Yeah, And
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: again Carlos Kroga seemed to have a good one to
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: live in a nice, nice long life with his family
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: and extended family, these grandkids and everything. And you know,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: if you want to know more about him, just like
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: I said, look up his obituary and at this funeral
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: home site website they have.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 4: You know how sometimes when people pass away, they'll have
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: like a photo thing going on in the background or
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: a video or whatever. And there's like one hundred and
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: fifty pictures of this guy's life. I mean he was
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 4: He looked like a real character, a fun loving guy,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: very involved with his family, you know, and we love
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: to dress up for Halloween apparently, and did a lot
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: of traveling, you know, all around the world, back to
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: Italy and Egypt and.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: All kinds of cool stuff. So did this guy know something?
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: But I think he did. I think he was a
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: little bit more than what.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: He might have been saying.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: Uh, you know, yeah, he certainly interesting.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh somehow because I know we got a
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: Richard case Negell comment earlier, according to Miguel Bregnier, colleague
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: who played the role who played a role in setting
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: Oswald up as a pass, he was none other than
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: Carlos Kiroga and Harrison Polygaphic Kioga Uh and other research
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: proved Kigoga new Banister and Sergio Kasha Smith had met
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: Oswalt more than once and supplied Oswalt with fair play
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: for Cuba literature on the orders of bringing a and
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: Uh goes on to say Kioga was showing up line
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: by the polygraph when he claimed to met Oswalt only once.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: And Joan Mellon has an interesting a couple of paragraphs
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: about him too, but I don't want to take up
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: all the time. But very interesting that this character who
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: met Oswald only once but allegedly gave him leaflets and
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: involved were Brignier obviously a big anti Castro exile. A
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: lot more going on here, Rob than I was on
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: the surface.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 4: Just to wrap up a little bit about him, say
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: hello to his father in law, Victor Sheiro, mayor of
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: New Orleans folks from sixty one until nineteen seventy, so
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: his father in law was the mayor of New Orleans
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: during all this time during the assassination, during the Garrison investigation,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: his father in law, Victor Shiro is the mayor, Okay,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: the mayor. Maybe that's why he's back when mayor's actually
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 4: had pull yeah and power.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. Maybe that's why he has such confidence
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: and rejecting and being so standoffish with the Garrison investigation.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: Right like my father in laws the mayor, Like, what
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: are you gonna do to me?
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: Yea, Victor Hugo.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: Shiro.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: His daughter Maria is who Carlos Kiroga. Mary now Victor
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: Hiro was born in Chicago, Illinois, and he was a
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: son of Andrew Edward and Mary Pizzatti. Shiro immigrants of Italian,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 4: specifically Sicilian origins. Joe Mafia connections anyone. It's the home
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: of Lacostre nostra, that's for sure, and the Marcelos Shiro
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: spent his young adulthood in Honduras in California, where he
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: worked as a movie extra. So you'd looking guy like that,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: and he co managed a Nevada goldmine before returning to
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: New Orleans. He worked briefly as an assistant cameraman for
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 4: director Frank Capra. Having returned to New Orleans in nineteen
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: twenty eight, Shiro became a radio announcer and in thirty
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: two Shiro married Mary Margaret Gibbs, better known as Sonny Shiro.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: Like I said, he became mayor in nineteen sixty one,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: And a little bit about this guy. His motto was
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 4: if it's good for New Orleans, then I'm for it, okay.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 4: But he was very personally okay, opposed to integration. This
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 4: is another vehement segregationist who is the mayor of New Orleans. Okay.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: From sixty one to seventy. Okay, we're talking prime Leander
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: Perez time, who was also another big money segregationists down there.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: Excuse me.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: Siro defeated, Get this, Joe, the Republican candidate for mayor
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: at the time, one Elliott Ross Buckley, cousin of newspaper
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 4: columnists and magazine publisher William F. Buckley of New York City.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: And we know that William F.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: Buckley's brother, Ross used to hang out at the bars
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 4: with Kerrie Thornley, okay, back in like nineteen the early sixties,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: but apparently had a cousin, Elliott Ross Buckley, who is
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: another newspaper columnist, magazine publisher, a cousin okay of Ross
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: and Ross was William F. Buckley Junior's brother. This was
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 4: their cousin, Elliott Ross Buckley. That's who he beat. Sheiro
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: only received three percent of the black vote in the
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 4: runoff with it Duplantier. As before, he defeated Elliott Ross Buckley.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 4: So this guy was such a segregation as Joe. Apparently.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: Let's see when you find this, because it's interesting. Let's see.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, here we go.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 4: One of Shiro's final acts in office was to reinstall
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 4: the Battle of Liberty Place monument, which honored a failed
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 4: coupe by the paramilitary White League of the sitting Republican
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 4: governor William Pitt Kellogg, who supported voting rights for blacks.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 4: The inscription on the monument, which Shiro erected at the
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 4: foot of Canal Street, celebrated the return of white supremacy
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 4: in the South. Shiro had left a monument which had
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: been removed for construction and the storage facility for the
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: entirety of his two terms as mayor of New Orleans,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: and on his way out he put it back.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: So at least he put it back, that's crazy.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: In two thousand and one, Victor Shiro was posthumorously posthumously
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: inducted into the Louisiana Political Museum and Hall of Fame
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: in Winfield Off Louisiana's I guess you know it was
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: a very important segregation. As Maya Jo yeahs Dan in
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: Orleans and we get v h S. That's Victor Hugo
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 4: Shiro VHS off of the screen after Paula Jane, thank you,
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 4: thank you, thank you much appreciate it.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: Next up we're Gonnall Trey said one corner of the
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: French Quarter used to be known as the Sicilian Corner. Interesting.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 4: Well, the Goomba's hung out right, Ah, the Goombas and
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 4: scafus of New Orleans and a very rough part of town.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: Yea, and Trey said he had seen the monument and
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: his that's been taken away.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: Well, I hope so, Trey. Well, I don't know.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: It's very interesting about the money.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 4: Anyway. Let's get into a statement from David Lewis December
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 4: the fifteenth, nineteen and sixty six. From January sixty one
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 4: to January sixty two, he worked as a private investigator
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 4: for Guy Banister and Associates. In the late summer of
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: sixty three, he was reporting to Louisiana State Employment Office
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: at six oh one Camp Street. He used to stop
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: by several times, banished his office to seek sidework, and
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 4: on one occasion went to Mancuso's on the corner and
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: saw Arkasha with carlos Ki Roga who we just talked about,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: and was introduced by Carlos to Lee Harvey Oswald at
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: Mancuso's right beside Guy banished his office. I have now
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 4: determined the through photographs that Lee Harvey was, in fact
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: Lee Harvey Oswald. He says that Lee Harvey didn't talk much,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: he seemed anxious to leave and appeared to be nervous.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: Carlos Sergio as in arcascious, Smith and Oswald were involved
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 4: in some business which dealt with Cuba. Oswald dressed in
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 4: dark slacks, light blue split shirt whatever that means, I guess,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: button up, short sleeves and Carlos all right, I'm sorry, Carlos.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 4: Who's man whose last name I don't know. That's ki
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 4: Roga is a well dressed man, black hair, black eyes,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 4: five eleven to six feet, very good looking. But Arkasha
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 4: appeared to be the boss. So Oswald three or four
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 4: times in the neighborhood of Lafayette camp at about went
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 4: to banish his office and they shut the door to
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: the inner office. There were Ferry Arkasha and Lee Harvey. Okay,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 4: and that was a statement made by him. Now, lou
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: Ivon interviewed David Lewis later on the day after he
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 4: made a statement, and he says he saw He told
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: Ivan lou Ivan that he saw Oswald no more than
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 4: four times each time in the company of Carlos, which
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 4: you brought up in that document. Four times exactly okay.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 4: Carlos had closed door dealings with Banister. Arkasha, who appeared
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 4: to be the boss, also dealt with Banister nature of
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: business unknown. Also knew Ferry. Identifies pictures of Ferry and
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: also one of Oswald as a man he knew as Lee.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 4: Harvey met Ferry and Banish's office. Once went with Jack Martin,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 4: Joe Newborrough and Louise Decker to Ferry's home and I
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 4: was just along for the ride. Trip had something to
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 4: do with Eastern Airlines. IM not sure if I ever
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 4: saw Oswald with Fairry.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: That is one thing that has really.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 4: Bucking me, because I knew both of them around the
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: same time. Wait, David fer Carlos was that other man
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: in Oswald? Wasn't There was another man there? There was
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: another man there. It may have been, but I'm not
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: sure because I remember this particular day I came in
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 4: and as soon as I came into the office, I
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 4: looked into Banish's office, Ferry Banister at his desk, and
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 4: this other guy back into the left of Faerry was there.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 4: It may have been Oswald. Carlos was just sitting in
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: another chair in the office at Fairi's apartments. Once who
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 4: was there. Two young men were at Ferry's house when
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 4: we arrived. One kind of looked like Oswald, but he
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 4: had sandy or blondish color hair, and the name Kroga
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 4: sounds familiar. I could identify him. Lewis later identified a
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 4: picture of Carlos Karroga is the man he knows is Carlos.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 4: So there you have that, Joe, Yeah, and.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: Some work corroboration there for sure.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So this is a very short clip of David
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 4: Lewis being interviewed. Now this is a couple of days
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 4: before David Ferry is found dead. Okay, this is February nineteenth,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: nineteen sixty seven. Here is David Lewis.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 12: Absolutely new person's involved in this particular time in the
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 12: question mister Garison is investigating. At this time, I did
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 12: know certain people that money would be capable of such
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 12: a plot and if you told him of these things, definitely,
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 12: I feel as my media of the talent, there's nothing else.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 4: Why has it been so long, It's been three years.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 4: Why hasn't this been brought out before?
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: And that I do not know.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 12: I think it's something that should have been done by
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 12: other people, including the people they weren't Commission.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 4: Have you offered your information to the FBI, And definitely not.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 4: And then no, one of the FBI hasn't even approached
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 4: me as yet. So there you have that, he said,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 4: definitely not. Nobody from the FBI has talked to him.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 4: Now I have another short clip where they talked to
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 4: David Lewis. Now this is one day after David Fairry
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 4: is found dead, so this is four days later. Then
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 4: his first interview one day after Fairry is found dead.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 4: Take it away, David Lewis.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 13: Earlier this week, Lewis, the father of four, said he
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 13: knew four or five men who were capable of being
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 13: involved in the alleged plot to kill Kennedy at his home. Today,
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 13: Lewis told us he feels these men are still alive
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 13: and view of Fairi's death. Lewis was asked about his
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 13: own safety.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: Well, it did shake me up.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 12: I have to tell you to say that it is
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 12: more fear for myself, no, than for my family. Yes,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 12: the possibility that I don't know if they ever wanted
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 12: to kick me and they might get hit me to
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 12: my family and this.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 7: Thing is something that really irritates me. I think I've
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 7: been exposed quite a little too much. But they know
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 7: what I look like, they know who I am, they know.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 4: Where I work.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 7: So I don't know.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 13: But to most other questions, Lewis replied, the district attorney
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 13: doesn't want me to say anymore. It may be two
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 13: more days before the cause of ferries death yesterday is
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 13: known for sure. Baran Rottman, NBC News, New Orleans, M.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Now does that seem like a guy who's full
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 4: of crap? I mean, this is the guy David Lewis,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 4: who used to hang around Jack Martin a lot. He
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 4: was Jack Martin's like little buddy side kids tight. They
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 4: started a private investigating firm after a banister went out
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 4: of business and passed away. Then they moved to Texas
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 4: together and started writing for a newspaper in Houston. And
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: they were moving back and forth between New Orleans and
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 4: Texas during this time of the Garrison investigation, on and off,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: staying with each other. So I don't know what was
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 4: going on here. I mean, it just said the guy
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 4: had four kids. I mean, he looks like a nineteen
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 4: year old kid. This dude must have been cracking him out,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 4: you know, like thirteen or fourteen years old now, David
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 4: Lewis's wife, Anna, who you all might know was the
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 4: one living witness Judith Varry Baker brought forth in the
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 4: late nineties to justify her story. The problem with that
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 4: is in Anna Lewis's interview, she screws up a lot
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: of details, including saying that she met she saw Judy
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 4: with Lee in nineteen sixty two, early nineteen sixty two
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 4: while he was still in Russia, which is a problem,
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 4: you know, So among other things, it's you got to
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 4: watch the interview. It's a trip. Deborah Conway, I think,
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 4: did the interview from Lancer with Anna Lewis, And of
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 4: course Judy's sitting right there, and Judy chimes in to
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 4: correct An a lot during this interview. So how trustworthy
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: is David Lewis running around with Jack Martin?
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: Mister?
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: It was just a fakement of my imagine and all
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 4: of Jack Martin's craziness and all the different versions of
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 4: stories that he told. So how accurate can we trust
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 4: David Lewis's stuff? I don't know, but it's interesting, okay.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 4: You know he puts Caroga and Oswald together many many
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: times in and around Banister's office. So the reason I
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 4: have the House Select Committee on Assassinations on the cover
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 4: of this here very program from the beginning here at
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 4: the bottom, you know Louis Stokes and all them guys.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: Is because I came across a document where the hsca
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 4: kind of collaborated and collated everybody that they interviewed in
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 4: New Orleans and came to a conclusion at the end
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 4: which I've never seen before. And this was put together
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 4: by Betsy Palmer on May thirtieth, nineteen seventy eight. Their
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: issue A Step six, This is draft one. From the
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 4: list of employees obtained in steps one through three and
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 4: the banister records obtained in steps four and five, select
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 4: no more than fifty persons for interviews based upon the
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 4: following criteria. A the amount of time spent in the building.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 4: B availability see employment at site between May and December
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 4: of sixty three. D the closeness of association to Banister
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 4: Ferry or Arkasha Okay Part one. Persons selected to be interviewed.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 4: Investigators determined that there were only fourteen people available for
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 4: an interview who met the above criteria. The person selected
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 4: below and their pertinence to the issues are listed below.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 4: Okay one was Louise Decker, who was a secretary in
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 4: Banister's office from October sixty one to January sixty two.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 4: She has identified a number of persons who frequented Banister's office,
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 4: including David Ferry, carlos Kiroga, Sergio or Kasia Smith, and
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 4: the results of her interview have not been written up.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 4: According to Daily, carlos Kiroga the acquaintance of Sergio or
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 4: Kancha Smith, Guy Banister, and David Ferry, whom he stated
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 4: were in Mancuso's almost daily in the five forty four
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: km Street building. Iroga went to Oswald's home in August
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 4: of sixty three to gain information about the FPCC. He
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 4: was interviewed on February twenty second, nineteen seventy eight by
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 4: Daily Sergio or Kansia Smith, New Orleans delegate to the
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 4: Cuban Revolutionary Council with offices of forty four Camp Street.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 4: Investigator Brown indicates that this interview has not been written up,
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 4: but apparently those people have been interviewed but not written
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 4: up yet. Layton Martin's who was an associate of serge
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 4: or Conscious Smith, friend of David Ferry. If you know
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 4: what I mean, interviewed by Bill Brown on January twenty fourth,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 4: nineteen seventy eight. Frankin Bartes assumed leadership of the CRC
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 4: after Arkasha was relieved of his duties, conducted affairs of
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 4: the Council from his home. Interviewed by Brown on three fifteen,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: seventy eight. Ronnie Kerr, associate of Our Conscious Smith. Ker
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 4: owned an advertising firm and worked with Our Concient to
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 4: raise money for human relief. Interviewed by Brown on April thirteenth,
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 4: six seventy eight. Can't find it indexed in the system,
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 4: though Jack Martin worked as an investigator for Guy Banister,
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 4: interviewed by Buis and Delsa on several occasions, and made
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 4: statements to the effect that he had seen Oswald with
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 4: Ferry at Camp Street. Also in this interview, Martin identified
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 4: Lighton Martin's and Carlos k Roga as persons in five
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 4: forty four Camp Street offices, and said FBI agent Regis
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 4: Kennedy was a frequent visitor to Banister's office. Martin further
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 4: states that Thomas Beckham was in Banister's office to see
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 4: Martin and that he knew Sergio Castia Smith as well.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: Sam Newman, owner of the building located at five forty
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 4: four Camp Street, interviewed by Daily February fourteenth, Happy Valentine's Day,
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 4: nineteen seventy eight, has no records. Mary Banister Wilson, wife
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 4: of Guy Banister, contacted by telephone on April sixth, seventy
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 4: eight by Burius Missus, Wilson stated that she had no
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 4: files of her former husband left in her possession. Jack Mancuso,
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 4: owner of the restaurant in five forty four Camp Street,
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 4: New Banister, Ferry and Martin as regular customers, does never
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 4: not recall that Oswald was ever with them in the restaurant.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 4: Interview by Daily January twenty, sixth seventy eight. Anna Stewart,
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 4: acting treasurer for the Local one sixty six of the
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 4: Hotel and Restaurant Employees Bartenders Union, whose offices were located
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 4: in five forty four Camp Street in nineteen sixty three,
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 4: attacted by Daily on April eleventh and supplied him with
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 4: a membership record for nineteen sixty two through sixty four.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 4: Of interest, I guess whose name is there. It's part
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: of the Hotel and Restaurant Employees and Bartenders Union. Kerry Thornley.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 4: Doesn't it mean he was ever at five forty four
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 4: Camp Street, But that's you know whatever. Ross Banister, brother
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 4: of Guy Banister, interviewed day by Day on January twentieth,
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 4: nineteen seventy eight, in connection with the occupants of five
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 4: forty four Camp Street and location of his brother's files.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 4: Russell Willey, also known as Major Wiley, the former Louisiana
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 4: State Police officer, referred to Investigator Burist by Ross Banister.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 4: Buris has been unable to make an appointment to talk
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 4: to Willy about Banister records and Willy's knowledge of the
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 4: occupants of five forty four Camp Street. Will not answer
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 4: the phone, never calls back. Carlos Kiroga became acquainted with
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 4: Sergio or Kasha Blah Blah blah u. Karuga stated that
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 4: the usual daily routine was for Smith, David Lewis, Jack Martin,
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 4: David Ferry and himself to go to Mancuso's restaurant for coffee.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 4: Smith usually went to Banish's office to talk on an
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 4: almost daily basis. The last time Kiroga saw Oswald was
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 4: when he visited Oswald House to obtain not bring and
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 4: PCC literature to him whatever, Dude, he does not place
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 4: Oswald in the five forty four km Street office building
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 4: and identifies Ruby only from having seen pictures of him. Right,
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 4: So it goes on and on about all these people
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 4: that they talked to, and this is their conclusion. This
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 4: is their analysis, analysis.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: And conclusion.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 4: Joe, Okay, no definitive conclusion can be reached until all
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 4: persons have been interviewed in reports written up. As of
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 4: right now, the most solid statement that we have would
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 4: seem to be that of Carlos Kuroco, who was a
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 4: daily inhabitant of Mancuso's and new Banister Ferry Akasha in Oswald.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 4: Since he says that he never saw Lee Harvey Oswald
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 4: at five forty four cam Street, and his credibility far
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 4: surpasses that of Jack Martin, it seems reasonable to conclude
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 4: that Oswald was never at five forty four Camp Street
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 4: or Guy Banister's office. And that's the hsca's official position
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 4: on that.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 4: Now, one name that did not mention here yet, Joe
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 4: is Mary Helen Brangle. You ever heard of her?
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: I have not, all right.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 4: She was the secretary in Guy Banister's five forty four
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 4: Camp Street office from October to December of sixty three.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 4: She was interviewed by Marty Daily in April seventy eight,
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 4: but the results of the interview have not been written up.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 4: Missus Brinle taped the interview and gave the tape the Daily,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 4: who reports that its quality is so poor that it
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 4: cannot be used and he forgets what he talked to
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 4: her about. Now why is that important? Well, I'll tell you.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 7: So.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 4: Fast forward Joe to the Assassination Records and Review Board.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 4: November six, nineteen ninety four, gentlemen, I am advised that
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 4: you will hold a public hearing in Dallas on November
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 4: eighteenth to ten am at the Earl Cavill Federal Building
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 4: on Commerce Street. I believe I have special knowledge of
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 4: some matters related to the assassination that have not been
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 4: made a part of the public record, and which are
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 4: outlined in the enclosed article, which I wrote a number
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 4: of years ago. After I moved from New Orleans to
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 4: Dallas in nineteen sixty eight. I was interviewed momentarily on
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 4: nationwide television last October, but very little of this information
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 4: was made public in my television interview. I am a
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 4: full time computer operator for Mega Student Insurance Division here
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: in Dallas, and we'll take time off from work only
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 4: if my presence is necessary and requested. My home telephone
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 4: number is blah blah blah. I can be reached to
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 4: work at blah blah blah. Asked the operator to page me,
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 4: as I do not have my own extension. I have
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 4: an answer machine on my home phone, and though it
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 4: will take a message, there is no voice on it
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 4: as it was affected recently by lightning. Please let me
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 4: know if my presence is needed or if I can
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 4: be a further assistance. Yours very truly. This is Mary
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 4: Helen Bringle. Okay, so of course they're interested.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 4: So here is the article that Mary Helen Bringle wrote
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 4: in nineteen sixty eight, entitled Joe the Kennedy Assassination.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 4: In the summer of that ill fated year of nineteen
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 4: and sixty three, the Independent American, a newspaper where I
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 4: had worked for four years, was moving from New Orleans
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 4: to Littleton, Colorado. I had served as assistant editor, but
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 4: planning to remain in New Orleans, so my boys Bob
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 4: and Ted to continue in the local schools. I registered
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 4: with just about every employment agency in the city seeking
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 4: a new job. That I've foreseen that I would become
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 4: involved with a shadowy group of people who would later
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 4: figure into the Kennedy assassination hearings, I would not have
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 4: remained in the Crescent City, but I had no such
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 4: premonition of this. God Banister, a retired FBI man operated
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 4: both a private detective agency and Joe get This, a
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 4: hiring agency for peer watchman for the Port of New Orleans,
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 4: didn't know that through mutual friends, he had heard of
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 4: my plight and suggested I use his office to receive
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 4: calls for job interviews and at the same time for
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 4: a small hourly wage some d on the side. The
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 4: last partner help his secretary, Delphine Roberts, index the office
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 4: filing system, and never could determine what his secretary was
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 4: doing to that system or why Banister allowed her to
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 4: accumulate and elaborately cross reference in such cabinets as were
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 4: not kept under lock and key reams of Gerald L. K.
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 4: Smith's literature The Thunderbolt and similar publications I viewed as
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 4: anti American propaganda and pure traps. Then one day Banister
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 4: dictated to me a letter to Carlos Marcelo John the
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 4: mafia boss, offering to help him in connection with the
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 4: government's efforts to deport him. I expressed surprise that any
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 4: conservative would actually be helping this participant in organized crime.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 4: He replied that the principles being violated by the Marcellar
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 4: deportation would harm our system of government and the country
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 4: as a whole. Never again did he dictate correspondence to me,
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 4: nor did he ever open his banks of locked files
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 4: in my presence. My Banister was white haired and reserved,
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 4: somewhat resembling actor Charles Bickford, while Delphine, a divorce a,
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 4: was sharp featured and shrill voiced. Delphine confided that they
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 4: were engaged.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: Well, I think we did cover like something about a
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: couple of persons.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 4: They know they were engaged, though, that's crazy.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: Well, I think we like talked about an allegation that
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: like Banisher was going to break up with his wife
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: for Delphine at some point.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 4: Well, they had already split. They had already split. I
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 4: don't know if they were divorced yet, but they already split.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 4: Banister was living in a little shitty apartment which I'll
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 4: show you here in a minute hold on all.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: Right, So.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 4: Delphine confided that they were engaged, although it became an
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 4: apparent the guy those separated was not divorced from his
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 4: wife yet. I am convinced that my presence had been
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 4: sought as a protection for Delphine Roberts in the event
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 4: that missus Banister ever visited the office and tried to
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 4: hurt her. You remember what Janet told us about Mary
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 4: Banster ordering a hit on a guy in prison, Right, yeah,
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 4: so maybe she was a tough cookie. Stacked against one
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 4: office wall, the guy wouldn't surprise me, right, Yeah? Where
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 4: a number of rifles, ten or twelve of them, with
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 4: all their fittings. Delphine said he's represented guy's hobby and
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 4: he had no room for the collection in his new
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 4: bachelor apartment. Periodically men would come to see him, and
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 4: they would speak in hush tones as they handled sighted
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 4: and lifted the guns, apparently discussing their relative merits. There
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 4: was a little business in the office aside from a
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 4: continual stream of men seeking employment on guard duty. I
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 4: couldn't understand how Banister could pay office men office rent
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 4: and salaries, but was told the government was considering his
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 4: appointment as head of security forces for a Mississippi test site.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: Test sight.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, apparently he was.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: He had.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 4: I don't know if he applied for it, being the
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 4: head of security for a Mississippi testing site for the government,
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 4: I don't know, he says. Banister drove a green Sedan,
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 4: and now and then a young man clad in coveralls
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 4: and looking like a mechanic would come by to report
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 4: that he had filled the tank with gas, put in
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 4: k needed oil and checked the tires off for guy Banister.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 4: Later I was to learn that the car did not
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 4: belong to Banister, but to the mother of the quote mechanic,
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 4: who turned out to be Banister's attorney. From the date
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 4: of the Kennedy assassination, Banister never again drove the green
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 4: sedan he had used exclusively for several months, and never
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 4: again was a gun collection in his office after the assassination.
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 4: On the date of the assassination, Banister was out of
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 4: the office. Delphine said he had gone to the Mississippi
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 4: test site with another FBI man, and that he headed
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 4: the group of retired FBI men in the New Orleans
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 4: area that morning. The morning of the assassination. For the
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 4: only time during the months that I had been present.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 4: The secretary brought a pocket radio to work. The telephone
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 4: rang mid morning, and Delphine advised that the president had
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 4: been shot and turned on her radio. The moment Kennedy's
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 4: death was announced, she jumped up from her desk. Oh,
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 4: he's dead.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: He's dead.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 4: He's dead, He's dead, She's saying, here wedding and dancing
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 4: around the office with her arms high in the air,
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 4: her skirt swirling about her like a tiny dancer.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: I'm choking. I'm sure you're nothing like Delphine might not
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: be far off.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 4: I myself a strong opponent, you better watch it, a
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 4: strong opponent of Kennedy's policies, was stunned at her actions.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 4: He had been our president and in my mind, was
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 4: due the work expect to his office until and unless
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 4: that could be changed by constitutional means. What did Delphine's
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 4: actions reveal? Did she have some advanced knowledge of the
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 4: assassination plot? Where was Guy Banister on that day? Was
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 4: he at the Mississippi test site? Really? Or could the
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 4: green sedan have been behind a grassy knoll by a
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 4: railroad track near a triple underpass in some city in Texas? Later,
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 4: I would wonder about these things, he says. Delphine told
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 4: me to both Lee Harvey Oswald and David Ferry, as
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 4: well as others who figured in the government hearings, had
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 4: been in the office many times while I worked there.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 4: News pictures of Lee Harvey Oswald showed him directly in
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 4: front of our office on Lafayette Street. A few weeks later,
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 4: I found a job that I wanted, not as a secretary,
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 4: but as an office manager and bookkeeper for a large
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 4: New Orleans architectural firm. There I worked until nineteen and
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 4: sixty eight, when my sons completed high school and were
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 4: drafted into the Armed forces.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: Excuse me.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 4: I then returned to Dallas, where my family lived. Banister,
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 4: who remained a mystery to me, had died in the
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 4: summer following the assassination, supposedly of a heart attack. On
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 4: Saturday in June, when Conservative groups had planned a rally
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 4: in Audubon Park, Daphne or Delphine and Banister were supposed
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 4: to join us. Unable to reach him, we telephoned Delphine,
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 4: who told us that he had died during the night
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 4: just passed when he failed to answer her call. She
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 4: had donned his apartment with an FBI man and found him. Why.
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 4: I had wondered had she thought it necessary to be
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 4: accompanied by an FBI man. When missus Banister was questioned
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 4: about funeral arrangements, she replied, there will be no funeral, Joe.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 4: I'll put him in a box, shut the leg and
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 4: put him in the ground and that'll be it. Quote
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 4: Mary Banister, Wow, damn oky.
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: But all she has been.
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 4: Told that Delphine or guy for Delphine reckon. All of
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 4: this has been told first to a local FBI when banished,
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 4: his name and picture appeared in the New Orleans papers
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 4: in regard to his possible connection with the assassination, and
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 4: later to Martin Day an interview for the House Select
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 4: Committee on Assassinations, who questioned me at length. The BBC,
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 4: not not the Big Black you know what, Joe, but
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 4: the British Broadcasting Company interviewed me my telephone from Washington
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 4: and made an appointment to send the representative Anthony Summers
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 4: to New Orleans to interview me. Daien.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: Somers told me that each.
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 4: Of their committees had searched diligently for Delphine Roberts, but
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 4: neither had been able to find her. At about that time, however,
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 4: the hearing is conducted by the House of Representatives were
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 4: cut short and the BBC instructed their team to return
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 4: to Great Britain. Great Britain. Summers called to cancel our
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 4: appointment in formed me that Delphine had been found. She
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 4: had remarried and was living in New Orleans under a
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 4: new assumed name. Delphine told reporters that Banister had been seen.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 4: I had been at the Mississippi test site the day
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 4: of the assassination, and that the two of them first
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 4: heard of the tragedy as they listened to the radio
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 4: together that evening, and I recalled that vision of Delphine
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 4: whirling around the damn offense, her arms above her head
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 4: and her skirts eddying about her as she sang of
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 4: Kennedy's death.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: He's dead, He's dead, Kennedy is dead.
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 4: I've never seen the twenty sixth volume report of the
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 4: Kennedy assassination hearings published by the House select I think
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 4: she's got that confused there with the Warrant Commission Report
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 4: twenty six volumes. But the testimony I'd given to Martin
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 4: Daly was published in the hearing Anthony Summers, the BBC reporter,
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 4: has since written the book entitled Conspiracy, in which he
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 4: refers to my testimony as he founded in the committee here.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 4: In his report on the dust Jacket of the book,
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 4: Summer states, it is certainly possible that a renegade element
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 4: in the US intelligence manipulated Oswald, whatever his role, on
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 4: November twenty second, sixty three, and that same element may
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 4: be activated pawns in the anti Chastor movement and the
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 4: mafia to murder the president. Blah blah blah. So she says,
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 4: all right, why it is my personal belief that there
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 4: will never be a true solution, that for every truth uncovered,
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 4: there will be innumerable debunking teams, more unexplainable deaths, until
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 4: and unless our government in some day free of every
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 4: vestige of corruption. I do not believe that people whatever
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 4: know the truth. Again, I asked, where was Guy Banister
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 4: on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three? Was he in
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 4: a greens dan on a grassy knoll in the city
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 4: in Texas Delphine Roberts And there's the answer. But I
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 4: can't believe her? Can you.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: Hoogie boogie?
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: Wow?
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 4: Now we know Guy Banister was in New Orleans on
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 4: the evening of November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. I
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 4: highly doubt he made the long drive from Dallas to
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 4: New Orleans. You know what I'm saying.
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't seem like he would be like operational.
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, she's operating off pure speculation there for sure.
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 4: But again, she was in the office from the right
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 4: time period from October to December of sixty three. And
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 4: to see Delphine hear the assassination on a pocket radio
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 4: and be dancing around the office like that, because it
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 4: would have been at twelve thirty in Dallas, it would
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 4: have been eleven thirty in Louisiana, Right, Yeah, And where
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 4: was Guy Banister supposedly at this test site. He didn't
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 4: go drinking with Jack Martin until later that evening the
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 4: Captain Jammer, Right, and I got one final thing for you, Joe,
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 4: all right, give it, That's what she said. All right,
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 4: This right here, Joe, is the house, the apartment that
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 4: Guy Banister passed away in. In his apartment I believe
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 4: was D, which is the bottom one. Apparently there are
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 4: six apartments in this building. Apartment A, D, and B
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 4: are on the front and B is the one I
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 4: believe it on the bottom left there where you see
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 4: the door.
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 4: Now I happen to have an interior shot of this,
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 4: which is which would be as soon as you open
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 4: the front door. Okay, you see the window to the left.
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 4: That is the kitchen you know, about halfway back there,
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 4: and then a long hallway which there are a lot
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 4: of rooms off of Okay. Now, remember when we talked
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 4: about Delphine Roberts looking in the window and seeing Guy
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 4: Banister laying on the couch. It's quite possible that this
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 4: window on the left here is the one that she
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 4: looked in and saw him as he lay there on
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 4: the couch dead right. Yeah, which is very interesting. Yeah,
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 4: now I have here, Joe. This is when Guy was
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 4: living at ten thirty one Mall Street, Apartment B. Okay.
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 4: So this is the right apartment. This is the right house, okay.
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 4: And this is.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: What is this? I don't know what this is, to
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: be honest with you.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 4: It's a report made on June sixth, nineteen sixty four,
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 4: at seven thirty five pm. Okay, Yeah, and it's about
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 4: Guy Banister's death. So I think it's a report from
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 4: the responding officers once they call it the.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 14: Cops, right, right, because I think we went over, like
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 14: she went to the apartment or and she had called
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 14: and then she brought the FBI agent with her.
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 1: She was very scared about going in alone for whatever reason.
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 4: Well, she thought that Banster didn't die a natural death.
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 4: She thought he'd been killed, and she didn't think it
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 4: was because of his connections to the Kennedy assassination. She
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 4: thought it was retaliation, you know, from people in the police.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: Department, right, because of his investigation into the corruption.
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 4: Right. So this is, like I said, it's a one
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 4: page report. It's it's pretty gruesome, So hang with me, undersigned.
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: Sergeant G.
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 4: Drumm and Detective D. Kent reported seven thirty five Saturday,
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 4: June sixth, nineteen sixty four, of receiving notification via Channel
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 4: B from CAR sixteen that they were investigating the death
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 4: of one W. Guy Banster, ten thirty one Moss Street,
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 4: Apartment B, and we're asking for our assistance. We arrived
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 4: at seven forty eight pm and proceeded to the downstairs
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 4: apartment number B, where we met Sergeant A. Polito in
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 4: company with Officers F. Hayward Wilson recruit Busby and ID
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 4: Division tech Steve. On the scene was Corners Chauffeur C. Graves,
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 4: who remained outside until we were done. Learned from the
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 4: above officers that they received the above call at six
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 4: pm and upon their arrival noted the deceased to be
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 4: one w Guy Banister Undersigned. Observed a combination lining combination
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 4: living slashed bedroom with a kitchen area close by, which
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 4: we can see in the picture right. Noted on the
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 4: sofa bed a white male subject lying diagonally across the bed,
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 4: faced down and slightly on his left side in a
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 4: natural sleeping position. We noticed advanced stages of post mortem
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 4: liver mortise about the lower portions of the person on
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 4: the bed, and he was apparently dead. Deceased was clad
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 4: only in a pair of light blue boxer undershorts. Observed
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 4: a pair of white undershorts on the floor alongside of
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 4: the double sofa bed which contained dried smears of apparent feces.
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 4: Why noted an orange towel on the bed along the
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 4: side of the stomach of the deceased, and it was
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 4: noted that deceased had his right hand beneath The town
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 4: officers noted that the main room was in an untidy state. However,
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 4: there was nothing that indicated that anything unusual or violent
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 4: had occurred in it. A pair of eye glasses, an ashtray,
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 4: and several other articles were on the night table beside
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 4: the bed. Learned from one Delphine Roberts, the secretary's treasurer
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 4: of Banister Associates, at about six twenty she went to
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 4: the residence. She was unable to get an acknowledgement from
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 4: her phone calls and as she last saw mister Banister
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 4: at about seven pm the night before at her home
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 4: on Warpole Street, and she had he had complained to
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 4: her that he was not feeling well at the time.
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 4: Stated that she telephoned his apartment several times and received
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 4: no response there either. Stated that she had proceeded to
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 4: fifty two h two something Street, where she informed mister
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 4: and missus I E. Niske, a former FBI associated mister Banister,
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 4: and they all proceeded back to them to Mass Street.
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's who she brought with. Uh yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: nisk It was like worked with Banister in the past. Yeh.
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 4: Nisky forced open the front screen door and gained entrance
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 4: to the apartment and discovered Banister to be apparently dead
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 4: and in the same position as on the arrival of
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 4: the undersign. The undersigned examined another door to the apartment
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 4: and found it also to be locked from the inside.
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 4: Identification Division tech steve one scene and photographed corner's office.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 4: Investigator Sam Moran was on scene and conducted his own investigation.
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 4: Orlean's Paris corner doctor Nicholas Chetta arrived on the scene
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 4: and after examining the remains, pronounced the body dead. At
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 4: eight pm, the corner chauffeur Oral Graves conveyed the body
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 4: to the City Morgue in the mortuary mortuary wagon recovered
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 4: and retained by Sam Moran from the pants pocket of
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 4: the deceased. Here's where it gets interesting. Joe, I got
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 4: a little frogy in my throat. Now we've all heard,
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 4: right of Banster's money problems, how he was behind on
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 4: his rent. He didn't have no money to pay people back.
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 4: He couldn't pay his rent right, apparently.
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: He didn't have a car. Check this out.
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 4: Recovered and retained by Sam Ran from the pants pocket
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 4: of the deceased were twenty eight ten dollar bills now
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 4: what's that.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: Two hundred and eighty dollars about like three grand?
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 15: Yeah, it's a lot of money for somebody who doesn't
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 15: have any money, right allegedly, Yeah, yeah, yeah, uh five
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 15: one dollar bills along with six nickels and one penny.
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 15: The above pair of trousers were laying on a small
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 15: table across from the bed. A matching suit coat and
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 15: white dress shirt were hung on the back of a
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 15: chair at the foot of the bed. Marine also recovered
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 15: apparently there's another page to this that I don't have.
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 15: But yeah, so that's what was in his pocket, What
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 15: was in his wallet, What did he maybe have in
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 15: the nightstand?
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 4: What did he have in the bank. If he's walking
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 4: around with three thousand dollars in his pocket, Joe, he's bawling.
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if I'm walking around.
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 4: With three grand in my pocket, I'm doing something I
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 4: shouldn't be doing. You know what I'm saying.
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 1: I don't walk around want three grand in my pocket. Ever.
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 4: No, if you do, you are doing some dirty shit
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 4: right for sure. So it's an awful lot of money
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 4: for somebody to have that supposedly didn't have it. That's
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 4: what I'm trying to get at. Yeah, so because I
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 4: think rent at five point forty four km street back
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 4: then was like twenty bucks a month or something ridiculous.
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 4: He could have paid for a year of rent with
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 4: that money. So something and not ending up here, don't.
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 4: I don't understand what it is exactly, but.
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 1: It is not. I don't understand. It's crazy crazy, Yeah,
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 1: And I think Delphine uh said that.
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 4: When we went over.
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 1: What she described when finding a guy Banister, he was
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: like on a stomach and kind of shorts, and what
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 1: you just read kind of kind of corroborated that, right,
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 1: like on his stomach.
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 4: Why are you going to include the man had some
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 4: dirty drawers on the floor and guy Banister should have
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 4: known better than to wear white drawers.
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Well, I might have been
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 1: the thing back then. You know, well he had on.
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 4: Light blue ones when he was, you know, lying there
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 4: on the on the counch. I've had big text here.
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 4: Don't wear white drawers?
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 1: Probably not?
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 4: And thanks to Mike Alm sixty six for this lovely
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 4: picture of big texts. Yeah, it was apparently at the
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 4: uh the Texas State Fair. He is apparently a very
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 4: big dude. I asked Mike I wonder if he's got
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 4: a big hal underneath that belt buckle as well, to
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 4: which Mike stated, well, if you have big hands and
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 4: big feet, probably too.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: But uh yeah, yeah.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 4: Anyway, thanks Mike for the big text and his big
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 4: belt buckle in the big d and uh that's about
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 4: it for tonight, Joe. It's about time to call in
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 4: uh uh Dean Andrews and uh dance us out of
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 4: this piece, all right, Dinah, hold on, hold on hold
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 4: the phone. We forgot one very important part of the show, Joe.
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 1: What does that, sir?
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 4: And that is we wanted I wanted to discuss disappointments
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 4: with you a little bit, Joe. I went to go
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 4: see The Joker Too last week, last week when it
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 4: opened tonight, before it opened actually last Thursday. And I
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 4: don't know what the bigger disappointment was, The Joker Too
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 4: or Jefferson Morley's bombshell JFK assassination announcement press conference behind
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 4: pay wall. Now let's talk about this supposed Now, look,
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 4: the Joker Too really sucked, I mean really like I
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 4: was this close to getting up and walking out. You know,
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 4: if you enjoy musicals that are two hours and tournamentutes long.
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 4: Maybe it's maybe it's the movie for you. I don't know,
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 4: but to me, it sucked and the ending sucked, and
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 4: I left much the same reaction as I had when
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 4: I found out what Jefferson Morley's giant bombshell announcement was.
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 4: And Joe, for the people out there that aren't privy
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 4: to the Jefferson Morley bombshell announcement or the news behind
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 4: his paywall over at substack, please let everyone know what
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 4: the bombshell announcement was.
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: And why it sucked. Sure, so you know, I follow
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 1: Jefferson Morley on Twitter. He's obviously one of the most
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 1: meanstream JFK researchers there are. He was, you know, a
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 1: former Washington Post writer. He came up. He's a name, Yeah,
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 1: a big swinging thing and uh yes, and and done
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of great work, you know if you think
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 1: about Jane Roman, Joe and Needy. Yeah no, I mean, like,
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: no hate here whatsoever.
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 4: But uh, well, you speak yourself. He had still been
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 4: about the fourteen minute yap, but pray continue.
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 1: I know, uh And he had been hyping this quote
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 1: bombshell for a few days before it was released, and
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 1: sent saying it's going to be bigger than anything he
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 1: had ever released.
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 4: And you call this ship. You're going to have a
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 4: press conference, Joe, Yes, a press conference to announce this
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 4: giant bombshell in the case.
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 1: But only journalists working ones Rob were invited. So I
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 1: mean we might call ourselves JFK journalists because we go
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 1: live every week and I do have a personally in
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 1: here somewhere, Uh, Doug, mate, But h and and I
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 1: share your sentiment, Rob, and we were texting about this
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 1: on our group chat with you, me and and Doug
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 1: and and we were kind of excited, like it was
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 1: built as like a groundbreaker, and it ended up being
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 1: hearsay of c a whistleblower who saw, I guess a
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 1: box of something that's in Mexico City tapes pictures and
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 1: essentially it came from an unknown source and it it
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 1: was very disappointing. I have to say, I thought, you know.
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 4: Somebody somewhere told me a story that they saw something somewhere,
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 4: but they didn't actually look in it and see if
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 4: that something was there. There is the bombshell announcement. Tune
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 4: in next week when we talked to a fascinating descendant
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 4: of somebody very important to the case, and they're going
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 4: to drop a bombshell that they found in their house,
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 4: but they are not willing to share it this time. No.
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's just a whole lot of not a thing.
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I agree, And you know, I'm gonna have
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 1: a little contrarian thing here because obviously I was disappointed.
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 1: But in retrospect, I don't think it was for researchers,
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 1: because researchers need documents. There were none, and there's now
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 1: like a p R blitz going on. And and the
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 1: premise was the CIA had a document kind of like
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 1: a best uses to just you know, throw off the
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 1: h c A.
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 4: And and.
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 1: To us, that's nothing new, right. We know Joe and
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 1: Needs was a plant to throw off the HCA, and
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 1: we know about their efforts with the War Commission, we
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 1: know with the Garrison investigation, and there the.
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 4: Big thing was about this. I saw a file in
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 4: an off site storage facility entitled Oswald in Mexico City. Yeah,
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 4: and I supposedly had video tape a leged Yeah.
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 1: And again.
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 4: This is nothing new, folks, because apparently jag Or Hoover
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 4: saw something on video that he said definitely wasn't Oswald
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 4: in the video or his voice? So could this be
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 4: it where they just deep six this crap and was like,
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 4: and we've all saw pictures, you know, from the HSCA
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 4: when they dug up supposed pictures of Oswald and it
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 4: was a husky looking Russian guy coming in and out
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 4: of the Cuban embassy and Russian embassy. So it's just
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 4: just a lot of nothing.
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, unfortunately, yes, because for people like us, and you
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 1: know this, well, if you're going to approach a serious
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 1: resurre with the theory, you have to have the goods, right,
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 1: you have to have a document, right you.
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, possibly in order to Joe, I get what you're saying.
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 4: But here's the deal. He looks like a giant scafuza
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 4: to the world, a very easy target for mainstream media
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 4: to point out and go, look at this nut job
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 4: douche bag and his giant announcement that is just you know,
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 4: bigger than an elephant. Shit, it's a whole lot of nothing,
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 4: and that he makes us look crazy by doing something
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 4: like that, saying you've got a whistle blower, a CIA
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 4: whistle blower, but you don't name names, you don't have
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 4: any evidence whatsoever. Back up. And the funny thing is, Joe,
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 4: they posted a picture of this facility right, and it's
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 4: in Sterling, right across from the Dullas Airport.
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, a skiff which is a secure compartment.
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, why I recognize that, Joe. You know why? I
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 4: used to go there every Tuesday. I used to deliver
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 4: oil Joe, right, and it was part of my regular
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 4: Tuesday round. I would go up Route seven, I would
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 4: I would go, you know, all the way from Leesburg
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 4: to McClain by the CIA building, but I had to
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 4: stop in Sterling, right, and it just happened to be
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 4: called Joe's Auto, right, And yeah, we sold them balk
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 4: Mooderal and I was delivering it and I would go
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 4: there every Tuesday and fill this guy's tanks. Right. This
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 4: guy's shop was right across the street from this secure
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 4: skiff building. And I always looked at that building and
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 4: I was like, I wonder what the fuck is in there?
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 4: Because it was lockdown, guarded, barbed wire on the top.
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 4: You know, it was a secure facility for sure, but
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 4: right out in the middle of everything. It's right off
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 4: Route six O six, right across from the airport.
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 1: Right. I mean I used to like I would.
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 4: I would I would hope in my truck and I
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 4: would leave Joe's and I would go up and i
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 4: would park in the parking lot and I'd be facing
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 4: this place right. Sometimes I would sit there and eat
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 4: my lunch. Sometimes you know, you had to whip it
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 4: out and pee in a bottle. You know what I'm saying,
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 4: because you know that's truck or life, you know what
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. But anyway, so many times Rob has had
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 4: his junk out pointed at this building. Okay, it probably
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 4: has twenty thousand cameras on it, and there's probably dudes
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 4: in there. We're going to look at this guy, you know.
• 2:30:01
  Speaker 4: But I'm like, I recognize that building and I know
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 4: exactly where it is, and I'm like, okay, but uh,
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 4: you know, it's just to me respectable, We'll not really respectable.
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 4: Mainstream sources can point to Jefferson Morning give see this
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 4: is how ridiculous these Kennedy conspiracy theorists are. It's a
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 4: whole it's a whole lot about nothing, and it just
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 4: makes us look like a bunch of idiots.
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 1: That's my opinion.
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 4: And I was highly disappointed as a researcher with his announcement,
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 4: even though it wasn't for me.
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and I one hundred agree with you.
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 1: And after thinking about it for a few days, I've
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 1: come to the conclusion that it wasn't for.
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 11: Researchers because if you too, maybe you have a document, right, like,
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 11: you gotta have something.
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't just say some guy you call him
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 4: a whistle blower, He ain't blowing a whistle.
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 1: He's too scared to come out and say who he is. Yeah,
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 1: and he didn't even look in the box either.
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 4: Right with the Mexico City, you don't even know what's
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 4: in there. Could be an empty box and nothing. Yeah,
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 4: it could be in the box for all we know.
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, who knows. Yeah, very disappointing, But you know
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 1: there's there's a media blit's going on now. And again
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 1: I'm playing devil's advocate here. Believe me, I don't think
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 1: it was meant for us. I think it was meant
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 1: for the mainstream media.
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 4: And if who was meant for it was a freaking
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 4: dud all the way around.
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 1: Listen, I have one hundred percent agree with you. I'm
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 1: just present like why he would bill it as bigger
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 1: than anything he's ever come up with. When he's done
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 1: great work and then come up with this, it's it's it's.
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 4: It was a total overreach on his part in my opinion.
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 4: Oh and I miss a swing and a miss and
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 4: he pitched to himself and he missed it.
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's how Yeah, No, for sure. And all I'm
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 1: saying is that I don't think at the end of
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 1: the day, after thinking about this a lot and looking
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 1: forward to it, you know, you and me and Doug
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 1: message each other before it came out, and when it
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 1: came out, I think it was meant for the mainstream
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 1: media to be like the HCA CIA is hiding documents
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 1: from the HC And it's like, okay, like anyone who's
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 1: studied the case for ten.
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 4: Minutes and there was no meat on that bone was
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 4: of her.
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 1: So listen it if it gets some congressman or center involved.
• 2:33:10
  Speaker 1: You know, we've talked about how much the JFK documents
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 1: have have gotten publicity.
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 4: Recently, right, and Will said Douglas. Yeah, no, aged person
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 4: allegedly saw a thing in an alleged place, doesn't know
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 4: what thing allegedly contained. Some recomplete.
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, and listen, I'm not really like defending it.
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 1: Like I already told you my stance on point. If
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 1: it it will, and that's exactly the word I used
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 1: in our group chat, Rob.
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, tune in next week because we're gonna have a
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 4: giant bomb show. But every week at the Bombshell on here,
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 4: you're going to learn something new, all right, and it's
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 4: going to be supported by actual evidence and documents and
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 4: testimony right lincoming podcast not but that place.
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But last thing I'm gonna say, if it somehow
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 1: increases awareness on the current discussion on the JFK files
• 2:34:14
  Speaker 1: and this and that and somehow leads to something, I'm
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 1: okay with it, and I've got more than that was
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 1: Doug's point, actually, I think in our trap but I
• 2:34:27
  Speaker 1: was disappointed as well. For sure. I think anyone who's
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 1: the document researcher knows that. So but all right, folks, yeah,
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 1: who knows what will come of it?
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 4: Well, we're gonna get out of here, but before we
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 4: bring in Dean Andrews, like a one other big surprise
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 4: for you here this evening, you're gonna get a tour
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 4: in New Orleans from Jim Garrison before Dean comes into
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 4: the picture. So enjoy getting toured around New Orleans by
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 4: Jim Garrison. In so and then Dina will be in
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 4: the picture. We will trumpet and trombone our way up
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 4: out of this piece until next week. So jolly Green
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 4: Giant taken away, sir. Oh. By the way, I will say,
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 4: it's a little choppy the first ten minutes, but it
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 4: clears up, so don't freak out, Okay, back to it.
• 2:35:23
  Speaker 16: Oswald was born in New Orleans. After serving in the
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 16: US Marines and living in Russia, he returned in the
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 16: summer of nineteen sixty three to this area.
• 2:35:32
  Speaker 5: We're approaching the old post office building where which is
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 5: right across the street from the Newman building.
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 4: That's five forty four Camp Street.
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 5: What was there, Well, this is the address which Lee
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 5: Oswald gave for his first fair Play for Cuba pamphlets. Now,
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 5: this building, five forty four Camp Street is the building
• 2:35:55
  Speaker 5: which god Banister had his office on the side the
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 5: guy Banister. Of course, he was the most militant, the
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 5: most militant uh uh, right wing uh uh, extremely conservative,
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 5: anti con communist individual in the city of New Orleans.
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 4: But there was simply no question.
• 2:36:11
  Speaker 5: About the fact that the Riley comp Coffee Company was
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 5: a nesting place for Lee Oswald. He was put here.
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  Speaker 5: This was his CIA assignment. In other words, as I
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  Speaker 5: pointed out before, his immediate superiors in Dallas and his
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  Speaker 5: immediate superiors in the CIA in New Orleans are involved
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  Speaker 5: in the assassination. Not might be they are involved. And
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  Speaker 5: consequently the impression was created uh on his part that
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  Speaker 5: he was following orders and he just had to stay
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  Speaker 5: at the Riley Coffee Company until the time came when
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  Speaker 5: he was to penetrate uh the right wing operation here
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  Speaker 5: and in and in the course of doing that, to
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  Speaker 5: go through these motions of being a a uh left
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  Speaker 5: wing uh individual communist. Well, this is one of the
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  Speaker 5: bases in New Orleans for United States intelligence operas, and
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  Speaker 5: uh they haven't.
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  Speaker 4: They had a number of uh.
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  Speaker 5: Intelligence agencies here. We've confirmed at least one was here.
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  Speaker 5: So Oswald was had been placed across the street, uh
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  Speaker 5: where it was obviously in some sort of contact with him.
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  Speaker 5: And then if you go around, you go around to
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  Speaker 5: the right at Roddick Coffee Company. Here's the old post
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  Speaker 5: office building where US intelligence agencies operated from it. And
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  Speaker 5: if you go over here you can see two men
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  Speaker 5: two men opening a truck. Now, if you go line
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  Speaker 5: over the truck, there's a white building, and that white
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  Speaker 5: building is the Newman Building, which is at five forty
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  Speaker 5: four Camp Street. And uh, as I said earlier, that's
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  Speaker 5: where Guy Banister's office was. And uh, David Ferry hung
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  Speaker 5: around in Guy Bannister's office. And uh, of course Lee
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  Speaker 5: Oswold has been seen in Guy Banister's office.
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  Speaker 16: The Garison case began last February with David Ferry, a
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  Speaker 16: strange man, commercial pilot, private detective, anti Castro fighter and
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  Speaker 16: bishop of an offbeat cult. Fairy said Garrison had fingered
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  Speaker 16: him as the getaway pilot in the plot. Four days later,
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  Speaker 16: he died mysteriously in this house.
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  Speaker 4: Here.
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  Speaker 16: According to Garrison, Oswald met Fairry and members of the
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  Speaker 16: Minute Men, a secret and violent group who trained with
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  Speaker 16: bombs and machine guns to kill communists. After Fairy's death,
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  Speaker 16: two Minute Men arrived and took away papers King Perrish prison.
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  Speaker 16: He dare not talk for the record, but he said,
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  Speaker 16: come to Bourbon Street and I'll show you what I
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  Speaker 16: think of the case. The greatest lies are told in
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  Speaker 16: the name of truth. The greatest crimes are committed in
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  Speaker 16: the name of justice. The quotation is Jim Garrison's be
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  Speaker 16: used for him or against him in this strange case.
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  Speaker 4: Good Night, pop up Peace,