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A Lifestyle of Worship | a conversation with Katie Reed · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

• 0:02
  SPEAKER_00: Hi friends, welcome to the Simply Wholehearted podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: It means so much to have you choose to take our conversation along with you today.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm Amy Wicks, your host, and here at Simply Wholehearted, we provide simple plans for life's most creative endeavors.
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  SPEAKER_00: The culture around us lulls us to complacency, half awake to her purpose, and more often than not, seems as if everyone around us is celebrating half-heartedness.
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  SPEAKER_00: But we believe there is more to your story.
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  SPEAKER_00: Awaken your heart with extraordinary tales of the ordinary.
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  SPEAKER_00: Find encouragement as you discover your created purpose, and be empowered to create your unique masterpiece in life, family, and community.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, we're continuing the series of three weeks to a new year here, and I hope that you've enjoyed our latest conversation number 80 last week with two special guests and a few stories from me.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I shared about my hopes, wishes, and dreams last week, and I maybe failed to do well, in order to encourage you to be as creative and adapt or adopt the tradition as you please, I may have been a little too vague.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the questions that have been coming in are well, what are hopes, wishes, and dreams?
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  SPEAKER_00: How would you define those?
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  SPEAKER_00: These are not hard and fast, but I can give you a general idea of what a hope, wish, and dream is.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_00: And if you have no idea what I'm talking about, go back and listen to episode 80, and I think you'll enjoy hearing a little bit more about my special tradition.
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  SPEAKER_00: So a hope, hope is, well, something that you feel like you're about to see fruition.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe something that you've been praying into and working towards, and you feel like it's just around the corner, and you're really hopeful that it's gonna happen soon.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's kind of what I feel like a hope is.
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  SPEAKER_00: A wish, a wish to me is just kind of something fun.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe a travel desire, maybe a special trip you want to take with your spouse or your kids, maybe it's Disneyland, or a frivolous night out.
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  SPEAKER_00: A wish that is just kind of fun and maybe a little bit frivolous.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: And a dream, well, a dream is the big one.
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  SPEAKER_00: A dream is maybe something you don't share with everyone, but it's deep down inside you.
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  SPEAKER_00: It probably won't happen this year, but maybe it'll be next year's hope.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's something that you're kind of putting out there that you're really dreaming for, that you're excited to share and whisper of like it's that island far out there, but I'd really love to get to it someday.
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  SPEAKER_00: So hopefully that helps you understand a little bit more about the hopes, wishes, and dreams.
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  SPEAKER_00: And again, if you didn't hear that podcast, be sure and listen to last week's.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know you will enjoy it.
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  SPEAKER_00: As we continue the three weeks to new year, last year we talked about Word.
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  SPEAKER_00: Getting in the Word, what does it look like?
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  SPEAKER_00: Some habits, some stories, some inspiration, and some specific simple plans to get in the Word more often, not just last week, but for all of 2019.
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  SPEAKER_00: On this week's Facebook Live, I mentioned a few stories about how worship became a powerful practice for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, I shared just a little bit of what that looked like on the Facebook Live, and I mentioned, if you listened, that I had a podcast length kind of story.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this is one of those stories where worship became really meaningful.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think we have them.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you've been someone who has gone to church and experienced the power of worship or came across one of those amazing albums or musicians or worship artists, and playing the music just touched your life and your heart in a special way.
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  SPEAKER_00: You'll know what I'm talking about when I share this story.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's been several points along the way.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think about a time when I was in my college years and we had just lost one of our interns that we worked side by side with and was a good friend.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was a tragic car accident, completely unexpected.
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  SPEAKER_00: She was in her youth, she was so young.
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  SPEAKER_00: And as a fellow comrade and the same age, it was startling and heartbreaking.
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  SPEAKER_00: And all of a sudden, you realize, oh man, we're not so invincible as we thought we were.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: And life is maybe a little bit more fleeting than we thought it was.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was a sobering time to be sure, but I will never forget.
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  SPEAKER_00: I still have that very clear picture in my mind.
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  SPEAKER_00: Where I entered the sanctuary where we kind of like lived and we had our internship, and there was a new worship song that was really popular at the time.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was the late 90s, and I can't even remember her name now.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: And if I said the name of it, you would totally know what I was talking about.
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  SPEAKER_00: But one of the fellow interns and students was had turned on the music and invited everyone to worship.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_00: I can't say that I really felt like worshiping.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_00: We were mourning.
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  SPEAKER_00: We were super sad and still probably in shock for well, most of us were in shock.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I remember just taking the invitation and sitting in that sanctuary and listening to the words of the song, just letting the music wash over me, wash over my mind, wash over my heart, wash over my spirit.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I felt the power, the power of worship then.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, we were still sad.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, we still were grieving, but I knew that the Lord was with me.
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  SPEAKER_00: I wasn't raising my hands and jumping up and down and singing along.
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  SPEAKER_00: I wasn't, you know, shouting a hallelujah, but the power of worship was present in that room, and it marked me.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_00: I will always remember that moment.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_00: There's been other times along the way, times that were just maybe too intimate and close to me to even share now.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_00: But there is one time, it was a new season of life.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_00: I've been married a few years, and we had our two girls.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now they were born just 14 months apart.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: It was a big adjustment.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: I was not handling the adjustment as well as I would have liked to say.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_00: There's all sorts of reasons why.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_00: Part of it was Anneagram personality type, adjusting to motherhood, losing myself, not getting any sleep, not getting to work out, nothing fitting the way it used to be.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if and the biggest problem of all, my babies would not sleep.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_00: So it was a difficult time.
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  SPEAKER_00: There had also been a lot of other external changes for us.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we were in a church, but it was hard to participate as we thought we would have liked.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we were doing a lot more serving than necessarily getting spiritually fed.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_00: I remember our marriage wasn't as strong as we wanted to be.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: My husband was in a job he really didn't like, and our communication just wasn't stellar.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_00: We felt kind of all alone and with very little healthy community.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_00: It was such a strange season.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I can too, just as crystal clear before, as that moment in the sanctuary and the worship music playing after the loss of my friend, I can remember a day where I realized, what about worship?
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: What how does worship fit in my life now?
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  SPEAKER_00: What does it look like to worship with two little babies as a stay-at-home mom with not a whole lot of meaning outside of the dishes and nap time and diaper changes and just trying to stay on top of ordinary life?
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_00: What does worship look like?
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember all of a sudden having the inspiration to turn on a favorite worship album.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_00: I can't even remember what it was, but I still at that point, it was probably 2008, I still stuck the CD in the CD player, and I turned up the music.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: I the babies were awake and they were just playing, and I'm sure they probably wondered what was going on.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I just turned it on and I started worshiping.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: At first it was sitting and just letting the worship music wash over me, and then it turned into participation.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: Instead of just background noise and music and and just something to entertain my ears and my mind, my heart began to worship along with the lyrics.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: My mouth began to move and to sing praises along with it.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_00: I began to walk around the house just praising the Lord and thanking him for all the ordinary, all the mundane.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was one of those moments that worship truly created a shift in the atmosphere.
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  SPEAKER_00: There was a different feel after, I don't know, it was maybe 30 minutes of that practice, where I just invited the Lord again.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: He was always with me and he was always there.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_00: But I think he was looking to be exalted and lifted up over my circumstances, over the things that were weighing down my heart and my mind, over the chores of the house that never seemed to be done, over the paint jobs that I wanted to see completed, over everything else.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: I know the Lord really wanted to be exalted in that moment.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_00: And because of my willingness to do that and to just lay everything aside and and even maybe it sounds like I was being a little foolish.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_00: And it's so strange.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_00: It was just my babies and the privacy of my house.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_00: But I was a little uncomfortable.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_00: I had to get uncomfortable.
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  SPEAKER_00: I had to be willing to feel a little bit strange and a little bit foolish and get back in touch of what it looked like to worship him.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's one thing to worship him among people in the congregation and on Sunday, and that's amazing.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_00: We've had lots of conversations about worship, and we will have another one today.
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  SPEAKER_00: And worshiping with a group of people, with a collective of people is an amazing experience.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: But there's something so powerful when when we worship just us and the Lord in the privacy of our of our car or maybe in our earbuds while we're taking a walk or in our home with the music blasting.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: All I know is it works.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: I think about David in the Psalms writing, Why are you so downcast, my soul?
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of the psalms, feeling depressed and he's struggling, and he's either weighed down by sin, by worry, by fear, and even power threatens to consume him and be a heavier burden than what the Lord attended.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_00: But each time in the Psalms, it's this beautiful process where he admits where he's at, maybe even willing to look foolish and be honest with where he is.
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  SPEAKER_00: But then he leads himself into worship.
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  SPEAKER_00: He goes into worship, just saying the words, which leads to praise.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: And then I believe the breakthrough and the revelation, like in the Psalms, where David remembers who God is, that in light of everything, even though all the things seem wrong around him, David is reminded who the Lord is and how he's still in control and how he is the lover of his soul, and he is jealous for his affection, and he wants us to worship him.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_00: He wanted David to worship him, and we're invited to do the same.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know what your mundane looks like right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you already practice worship on a regular basis, but maybe if you haven't, you will take this invitation of this pause, the pause of the three weeks to a new year and this week specifically, to recapture the power of worship in your life.
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  SPEAKER_00: Again, maybe that's blasting it in your car or throughout your home or in your earbuds as you go out and about.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I really believe that worship can change the atmosphere.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_00: Worship can help you center on what it is that you believe and help you live what you believe.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: Now, my guest today is one I've been very excited to introduce you to.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: I've known Katie Reeve due to the fact that we both attend Radiant Church in Kansas City.
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  SPEAKER_00: She is currently the worship leader of Radiant Church, and she is phenomenal.
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  SPEAKER_00: She has such a gift, not only, of course, in her vocals and music, there's so much more to her.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm excited for her to share today about the power of worship.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, lots of things, lots of dreams in the work, lots of things.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_02: You know how the Lord will speak to you and he won't really unveil the whole picture.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'll do it on purpose.
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  SPEAKER_02: And he just sort of like enjoys the relationship through the journey.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so, you know, his whole goal is let's be close, you know.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_02: And my own usually my whole goal is like end game.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: What's the end game here?
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_02: Where are we going?
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and he's like, why don't we just like enjoy this and talk along the way?
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_02: And so, um, that's good.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_02: No, I feel like um feel like all my strengths are being used in a really healthy way at Radiant.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_02: And I have awesome.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_02: Felt like that in a long time.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_02: I just feel like I'm I'm thriving and I feel like I'm growing.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not one of those, like, sometimes it's a painful grow where it's just like, oh man, I just need to learn these things, but for the most part, it's a um, it's this is just natural growth.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_02: It was like this is the soil that my heart needed to bring forth strength and greatness and things that were have been hidden in me for a long time, and I was just wondering if it would ever come out.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_02: Does that make sense?
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, that's so for me.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's been like um, if anything, it's it's added on.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_02: My dreams are bigger and greater, and you you know it they're gonna be imp they're impossible, which means that only the Lord can do it.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_02: So but God, yeah.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_02: I think if anything, it's just grown and come alongside, and so oh, that's exciting.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_02: It is exciting.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: Now, what is your official role?
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what's your title towards your team leader?
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: Which encompasses so much because it's not just the Sunday morning that we get to see and enjoy and receive the benefits of, it's all the behind the scenes, right?
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, actual leading people, planning, yes, all the details, and there's always lots of that.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_02: Anytime you see something that's a little bit remarkably beautiful, yeah, you can count on many, many hours behind the scenes where something's being cultivated and grown and taken care of.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's good.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you're doing a fantastic job.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's so great.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I definitely receive the benefits of worship, and I mean, I it's not just um there's not a perfection element of like, yeah, I I know things probably don't go exactly as planned, but the spirit of the Lord is there and you feel the freedom of that, and you feel that the hunger from the people to enter into that place and to participate what the Lord is offering.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: And you get to, it's like you get to steward it and you get to, you know, invite people to lead and invite people to enter into where you guys are, you know, kind of leading in the tabernacle, so to speak.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_02: And I'd say like that's the heart of our team is that we want to create this beautiful environment for one, God to show up, you know, just calm and be in our midst.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_02: And then also for people who haven't ever experienced what he's like and how good he is and how kind he is, and that he's a healer, you know.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm thinking of, you know, we spend time every week just before our service, just praying um that people who haven't ever been to church or have been hurt by church or have um just not really been drawn in before would walk through our doors and just encounter Jesus and experience him and um and be able to connect.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_02: There's something about music that just draws the human spirit out in a way that nothing else can.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_02: And it just connects us to his heart.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_02: And so we long to create this space that so honors the Lord and um and draws his presence and also connect people to that.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_02: And I like to just talk to our team about like when we go out and we're leading the room, we're letting them borrow our faith to connect to Jesus, you know, in a way.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_02: We're we're like declare, we're declaring who he is, and we're letting them experience and come in, kind of come in on a secret.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_02: You're coming in on a secret, you're coming in on a journey on something that's been cultivated for a long time.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_02: There's a verse in in the New Testament that says, You're beginning to reap what you haven't sown.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_02: You're reaping the benefits of something that you haven't sown.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, that's what it's like when we're drawing people in.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's going, you are reaping the benefits, and you get to borrow my faith and you get to taste what this is like.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so so you see it as you guys are putting your faith on display.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: Your spiritual act of worship is allowing people to like stand on your shoulders in a way.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, how many times have we gone to um conferences or events where incredible worship is playing, or we hear someone speak a message that strikes our heart, we always look and we go, whatever they have, I want it.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and it's like whatever they have, it is it is touching something inside of my soul.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: It is it is touching an ache.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'm I think I'm finding that thing that I've been looking for.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and it's not necessarily music and it's not necessarily a speaker, it's it's really they are touching the realness of your relationship with Jesus.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_02: They're getting to see it and they're getting to go that I want that.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_02: Whatever.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: Christ manifested in those formats, right?
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, because if he is in everything and the creator of everything, they're able to see them.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: So why do you why do you think it is they're such a different experience?
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: Because I see it in my own life, how I mean, I can have Bethel worship music in the background and playing all the time.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: And and there are times where I engage, you know, in my car or with the music, my earbuds.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but if I don't get to participate in corporate worship, I can feel it.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: I and and if it's been a long time and I get to come in, you know, because we're all serving in different things, and there's sometimes some weeks that I'm back with the kids and I don't get to have that full worship experience.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I can tell.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I, you know, and I'm like, what is it, Lord?
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: Because you're you're in our midst all the time, you're with us all the time.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: What is what's the power of corporate worship that just changes things and gives them maybe more tangible experience to the believer?
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I think of the verse when Jesus says, wherever two or more are gathered, I'm in their midst.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_02: And so there's this beautiful outward expression that happens when we gather together.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the psalm says it's like there's a commanded blessing that is released when we dwell together in unity and when we come together to worship, there's actually an outward commanded blessing that is released.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_02: And so, like throughout the week, you know, I have internal Holy Spirit that I commune with and I talk with.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_02: And um, but like Jesus says, there's something about when two or more gather, there's just something about the gathering of the believers that releases this outward expression, this manifestation of who he is.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_02: And it's beautiful.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_02: It is, and it's something that we long for as a people because you know, when we when we go through a journey, we want to go through it with somebody else.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_02: You know, when we walk through life, it's the it's the longing that's been put in us for for a family.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_02: We long for family, we long for the deep relational connect.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_02: And so there's something that is so beautiful and the way that the Lord designed the originality of, hey, I'm gonna design this so that when all the saints gather together, it's actually touching an egg in their heart to be with family, yeah, and to have the Jesus expression amongst them.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's good.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's uh I love how you articulated that.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: That is, yeah, I I just think the beauty of worship um that we can experience when we go and gather.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so for you, when did when did the power of worship kind of tr maybe transform your life personally?
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: But then where you kind of were like, wait a minute, I want to have a part in leading this for leading others into this.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_02: Well, when I was like 13, I um I started to oh, I would go with my parents to the prayer room.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, and I would hear um Misty Edwards I think she's a huge inspiration, and I always give her credit all the time.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_02: I mean goodness, but she's she's like your age though.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no, I think she's about 10 years older than I am.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: She's one of my favorite people to sing with.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_02: Because there's just some places that you can go with people that are just wild.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_02: And so, um, but I always tell her, I'm like, you gave me, you know, you really inspired me into this.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_02: And then more than that, she was actually the first person um that invited me to be on her team.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_02: So that's it.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_02: I was a 14-year-old singing in the prayer room on Misty Edwards team, and I was terrified to sing.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_02: But I was like, I just know that I want this, you know, and I love this.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_02: And so I would just, you know, sit at the mic for two hours and barely sing, but I'm experiencing something incredible.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_02: And the invitation.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_02: You get to be a part of it.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_02: And and I always tell Misty, I'm like, the only reason I'm doing this is because you gave me a shot when I was 14.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: I wasn't even good.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I really wasn't.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_02: I wasn't good at singing and I really wasn't good at playing.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but the just the hunger just killed.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: pushing me and trying to get it.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah the desire.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_02: And I just kept going.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_02: And so I would um really I would lead all of Misty's songs.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_02: So any chance that I got to do like a devotional by myself in the prayer room, you know.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um because there was just some something in the longing of her songs.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_02: It was like she's putting words to the things that are aching in my heart.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_02: And it was like just uh like my heart was just ruined, you know, in a good way.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_02: Like nothing else is gonna be as good as this.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: And so I would just minister to the Lord those songs and then in my room by myself I would just sing those songs to the Lord and um would cultivate that and then I would travel with my dad who was a minister as a minister.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_02: And um awesome I didn't know that.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah and he would let me play piano behind him while he would speak and then I would sing and do lots of ministry time and so he gave me um really created space for me to get lots of the experience hours.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah and lots of time and yeah and the freedom to do it you know probably on a little bit smaller venue but safe and comfortable where you could learn and grow and cultivate the gift.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: Cultivate and that's good.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah all of it learn how to juggle all of it and so that's awesome.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah I just spent years kind of doing it hidden.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_02: And I still I feel I mean still I feel hidden to feel like everyone's always gonna feel hidden.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: As long as they live yeah yes we have a mutual friend which you got to do the audio recording the audio book recording for Unseen.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yes and I'm actually gonna be a part of it again there's a relaunch that's happening.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome for her um it's gonna be it's a curriculum series with video and anyway I'm really excited about we'll have to talk about that after yeah really I mean the message doesn't grow old right the unseen never I I've read it so many times you know wrote the book study all that sort of stuff and I still find myself on that mountain.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yes going why am I here again?
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: Is this why I have to help relaunch again because I got more to learn yes yes every time yeah that's awesome it's so good.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: So out of curiosity what's your Anneagram number?
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: Because I'm an Aneagram coach so we talk about oh my god this would be another piece four wing three if you believe in wings if you don't believe in wings and then believe all the four but no I'm a wing believer so I'll I'm a three wing four.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my goodness but it took me a while I used to identify as a two and then with a three wing and then it was like oh I think I'm a three with the two wing and then now going a little further and deeper into my youth I'm like oh wait three four wing yeah but culture pastor's kid yes the two highly exonerated um so therefore you know I can use that I can flap that wing yes but really the innate in me is the four that's so awesome.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway it's fun it's so fascinating isn't it awesome yes what just out of curiosity for you for your art for cultivating the spiritual gifts in you how has the Enneagram helped you you know maybe bring some of those to light or give you language for it yeah I think it helps me make peace with who I am with just my design.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah and I'll tell you this funny story my husband got me to take the Enneagram test and he's like you need to take this everyone's doing it so cool.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_02: Really Kenny was pushing that he was the first one who showed me it no kidding and so I was like okay so I like took this test and I was so disappointed with the results like I was I was devastated I think I was like I was depressed and angry for probably two days because I was like this is awful I was like this is a terrible number I am not this personality this thing is off this is wrong and I was like I'm not doing this you know yeah yeah I went nothing to do with this so it took me a while just to I think process I think yeah did you test us a four right away I did every single that's fascinating that's an that's a real rare thing to be able to test immediately.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yes but maybe some of the beauty of it is you had no knowledge of it.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: It was more like a blind test.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah there you go it's just like be honest be truthful and I was like okay you know yeah and I think it's it's really hard to be really honest with yourself with this it is because it's like I want to push this because this is how I want to respond exactly or how I want to do but how do you how do you how do you actually guess what am I actually like in these moments and so I remember just being really really just disappointed I think and really didn't think about it for a couple weeks.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah and then I just started to read through kind of the four again and I was just like oh my gosh this is me like yeah this is just this is hard.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_02: It was just hard like self-revelation self-truth looking in a mirror in those ways reflecting your soul it is really just difficult like it's just hard and so um but after a while I started to just see um the possibilities and just the beauty in hey you know what this is just God's design and this is just how I am and um not in a I can't grow sense but this is just the Lord has wired me like this.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_02: And you know if I look back over my life actually it would make a lot of sense and it really started to help me um identify weaknesses yeah but also identify strengths.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely like um just thankful yeah like Lord you've designed me this way and it's okay that I come alive in these certain areas and it's okay that I'm always and my heart just always is searching like I'm just always looking for uh a creative experience I'm always looking for something beautiful that moves my soul.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_02: I'm always looking for something that magic do you know what I mean yeah like I'm just searching for that stuff.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah and I'm looking for the the the substance of it and anytime I find it it's just like an experience right it's a yeah anytime I see the beauty and it can come in so many different ways.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_02: It can come from an old stained glass window in a chapel or it can come from the way the light falls across my living room or it can come in do you know what I mean so many different forms.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_02: It can come in the beauty of words reading in a book or poetry and it's just like my soul searches for the deep mystery and the beauty of things like that.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah that's so good.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_02: Every time I find that beautiful magical thing it's it's it's it's an experience it's like to me it's like a spiritual experience with the Lord.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_02: It is right so I'm just wired like that.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_02: But then I have this wing three I'm driven I am driven and I want to do great things and I want to push and I want to press my own boundaries and I want to grow and I want to challenge and you know like I think there's just that thing in me that I'm just like let's go you know and how can you exceed how can you succeed and exceed and grow the art the Lord has placed in you the beauty and the talents and the gift and and all of that and I think part of the beauty of the Anneagram is being able to look in a mirror clearly and then going what narrative am I writing yes or have I written inadvertently that I actually don't want to be a part of yeah and what narrative do I want to write?
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it's the invitation to go, okay, so innately in me maybe is this negative desire and positive desire I want to live on the positive desire and how can I can I use that can I seek the Lord for growth in that area to move in that direction instead of because sometimes you know the dark side of any number the shadow side of any number can get you stuck in a cycle and I think the beauty of the Enneagram helps us go oh wait no okay so after we wrestle down the like oh negative sides we all have it.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yes I think most of us can figure out what our number is when we read it and we don't like it.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_00: We feel so exposed.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yes like wait a minute and would you say the four for the four part of the difficulty is that the desire is to be unique and there's something about the Enneagram that maybe feels at first hey I'm being put in a box.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_02: Oh for sure oh yeah I think the hardest thing was reading sort of the dark side of it but to me reading the whole thing was the dark side I'm like there is no light side to an Enneagram for the whole thing is dark and brooding and depressing and you really have to like push and you really have to force yourself like you have to take steps to grow.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah but yeah I look at it honestly yeah I think it's uh it's a challenge exposure for sure exposure.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: Okay so how about Kenny what what number is he?
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: He's a three solid no kidding so you guys do great I mean we do every number can stay married be married be friends all that sort of stuff but there's something pretty awesome about we complement each other really well.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_00: I mean I see it it's obvious you guys are pretty young but you've been married 10 years yes going on 11 you have three kids three kids and I mean you really have kind of you're you're kind of in a stride in your musical career even though the dream is there's big dreams.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah um so I mean there's beauty in that that you guys can compliment yes in so many different ways it's incredible that's so good Kenny is so good at um keeping me level you know because the four in you is like very dramatic there's a very dramatic side to the four and um yep and he's very good at um at keeping me stable but here's the thing that I love about my husband is that he does not deflate me he does not um in the name of keeping me steady and stable he does not deflate me and he does not hurt my creative side he um if anything I always think of him as like if I'm like a kite flying high he's holding the string but he's letting me fly that's does that make sense he's not deflating me and he lets me fly.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah so it's like he understands that uh creative side of me he understands that in the three um kind of that three personality um we can meet you know in the three personality yeah but he's so supportive and so encouraging and so calls out um just the strength that he sees in me and encourages that if that makes sense and so he is my greatest companion my greatest cheerleader and my favorite person to be with yeah you can tell y'all are so I'm supposed to teach at a marriage retreat in April and I get two one hour time slots to teach the same thing.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm like how can I teach couples the power of the Enneagram and power because just what you said I mean I know you appreciated Kenny but this gave you some language some understanding and it probably helps I know for my husband and I for a lot of things for me it gives me just I I'm a lot more quiet now that I understand the Enneagram because I understand where he's coming from.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yes and I know it's not in my power or in benefit to convince him otherwise and just wait to get to the other side until we can you know communicate um in a way that I take less offense.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's kind of a like it removes it removes the like personal stings sometimes that happen from it when I can go oh this is just how he's perceiving it because that's his natural bent and a little while if I give it a couple of days we can have a conversation and he can understand my perspective too.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I need to not I need to just not take it so personal in the meantime.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_02: But absolutely it's awesome it's really so absolutely and I would even go a step further that I actually love for even our worship team to I love for them to take the test and a lot of them have.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah and just one because self-discovery in your in is really important for your social interactions.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: Oh it's it's just so healthy to know yeah like especially when you're leading together yes yeah I was just talking to a friend that I would love to get where I'm doing businesses church leadership you know like bigger groups of people to get you know have them step through the anneogram because man it's powerful it can be really transformative.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_02: It can it can really draw your team together in a beautiful way.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_02: And something that I love is um you know naturally when we're building teams we'll we'll bend toward people that are like us.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yes right and the beauty of the you know uh the diverse the diversity inside of a team is actually one of our greatest strengths.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah because my team is showing me things that I never would have seen or known even to look for and they actually if you can imagine you know your team coming alongside you and they have been given through you know God design right they've been given different lenses to see yeah the vision right yep and so I have blind spots yeah and I always tell my team I can't see everything just so you know you know like I'm self-proclaiming yes I have blind spots.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_02: Right right and I was like I'm not all seeing it on no if you're seeing something that I'm not seeing come and tell me.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah and they do and it helps us and we grow and we learn how to move together as a team and a unit if we can celebrate the differences in each other.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_02: That's you know like I have people on my team who are just way incredible at being efficient and lists and things like that.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_02: Organized.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly and so when um you know when they come to me and tell me I'm just like yes all of that it's going to help us thank you I don't even think of that you know like there's so many different things that I didn't even think of or um and so I love it because it's the it's the beauty of being diverse is that we're actually moving together as a large group and we're taking ground together.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah we're celebrating each other we're celebrating each other's differences and strengths and that's like we need that yeah like we need the we need the diversity and we need the differences because it actually strengthens us.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's the iron on the iron yep it sharpens we sharpen each other and you can tell by the fruit it's obvious up there every week week in and week out and it's beautiful just to see how it's grown just in the people and the team and the variety of people and I mean in the in the practicals of of just you know sound and you the unity and all that sort of stuff but the fruit like you said like you're you can tell you're inviting people into something really healthy and I think I think that's hard because um this is why I was really passionate about the message of unseen and getting it into some of our uh church leadership um when when I had started talking to Sarah about the book and it was more as a friend who was participating in prayer and then it became a friend who you know got to participate in the title and then all the you know all these things that kind of extended from it.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: But I right away I mean before I don't know at the very early stages when I knew enough about the message I was like hey are you gonna do some sort of study because I would love to take our radiant people our radiant women through this book through this message.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_00: I just think because young baby church pastor who has you know a good 18 year history of and some notoriety um being well known yes I mean when I I helped him start desperation all those years ago it's amazing like 2001 now so 18 years ago it's crazy but we never would have in a million years thought music albums um you know people's music careers launched from it speaking careers so many things like so a lot of there was a lot of benefit of being part of something that was completely unknown and unseen and inadvertently they some of them got to taste fame quote unquote and so I feared for the health of Radiant Church long term that that's what people would be attracted to and that's what they would be signing up for in hopes for that.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I and then you couple that with worship being on stage a platform immediate platform.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_00: People don't have to know what's actually going on but the health is reflected every Sunday um that was really really in important to me to to get that message and for you how do you foster that how do you lead that how do you pastor that so that way the first things stay first and the unseen you know remains a vital piece of each individual's life.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah well I think a couple things something that the that we always say is the goal is more important than the role.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah and that's good and no one I mean we've re repeatedly just conversed about this that no one on our team is um is above serving no one on our team is above taking out the trash no one on our team is above doing the nitty gritty.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah and something that I love about uh the the worship team that the Lord has brought here is that we get down in the trenches beside each other and uh it's hard to be to be arrogant and prideful when you're setting up your sound system every Sunday right there's beauty in that they're at 6 a.m doing the nitty gritty rain sun snow snow right currently lots of snow and there's just something beautiful in a team that uh serves together in that way I know that word serve can be thrown around in so many different ways but when I say serve I'm talking physical labor like our team does physical labor setting up and tearing down every week and we do it for the sake of God touching people and touching our city and that's our heart.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_02: That's good.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_02: And um I think that um you know it's hard to just be like we don't want anyone on our team who who doesn't struggle with the desire to be famous.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_02: Like you can't just do that.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_02: No because there's just an innate desire in every single person to be known seen and heard right yes and so uh I actually had our worship team go through that book and read it.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's awesome because I think it's just so important and so valuable.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um I've been on stages and in rooms full of people and on stages in small rooms and I've been on stages since I was 13 and uh it does not fill that desire and longing and aching to be seen it just doesn't fill it.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_02: You can be on stages for your whole life in front of hundreds of thousands of people and it is not the same thing as knowing and feeling the eyes of the Lord on your life upon heart.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_02: And it just isn't and so um I think a a couple of things we love to just we love to foster the this we love to serve we just love to foster that that Jesus did not come to be served but he came to serve.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah Jesus came to wash people's feet he came to come underneath us and to lift us up and that's what my heart is in being a leader and that's what my my team's heart is is we come underneath and then we lift up and that's a message that will never go old.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_02: We will never tire of hearing them that Jesus made humility beautiful he made it desirable he made it wonderful he made it for something else to reach for and that's good fostering that I think starts with just celebrating people.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_02: I mean when people feel seen and loved and heard and understood then the superficial ache for all eyes on me that superficial ache begins to dissipate.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah and and right because we're getting the substance we're getting right the real vitamins that we need is to be in the community where we do feel seen and loved and heard and cared about.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah and those are really important things to foster you know and and sometimes our um our knee jerk reaction is to be like you know we come across somebody who really just wants to be on the platform and really just wants to be seen and our knee jerk reaction is well no they can't be on the scene they can't do that let's get them out of here and it's actually a cry for substance right it's a cry it's a cry to to have the that connection with the Lord of I am seen by you I am her one Psalm 139 you know everything about me you know the hairs on my head nothing will satisfy no stage will satisfy the longing in your heart to be seen by an incredible God.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_02: It just won't yeah and so it's a two part it's a really the hey connect with God in the secret place.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's just nothing can replace that's right it's the most valuable thing.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly and then the other part is being a community that champions you right and champions who you are and who you are not just what you do exactly or what you're able to do or how you perform.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah or the gifts.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: celebrating the person and not the gifts.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's good.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: So when so this week, kind of what I've done the last couple years is this idea of three weeks to New Year.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: We as a church corporately fast and pray.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's actually a tradition that my husband and I have done for years and years before Radiant and for a couple different reasons.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I slowly over time began to realize more than the fasting piece of it and fasting looks so different.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: I had someone ask me, what what do you actually mean by fasting?
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_00: For me, most seasons 20 years ago it meant like you know water, liquid.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not in that season right now.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_00: And but there's still things that I know the Lord asked me to give up.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_00: But the most important thing being it's this pause, this Selah, this setting the intention, seeing what the Lord's intention is for our lives for this year.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_00: And not just like barreling through these are my goals, these are my aspirations, I'm going to get them done or on the other side discouragement, it's January 10th.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_00: I still don't know what my goals are or I wrote some down and I haven't even begun on them.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: So last year we talked about three different ways that we can help get perspective and this year we're talking about getting in the word worship and writing.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_00: And so as we practice worship on a regular basis and we've shared some ideas and what that looks like for you as a worship leader corporately we've talked about that.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_00: But for you personally on a day in, day out, what does worship look like?
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_00: What if you don't have a beautiful voice like yours or pills on the keys or you know all those different things that people sometimes go, well I can't because I don't what would you say to them?
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_00: What could that look like?
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_02: Man I would just say your face is lovely and your voice is sweet.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah I think that uh the Lord just loves the the voice of the human instrument like he just loves the human instrument.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_02: Like he just loves that there's something in the voice that moves his heart and it's seen throughout scripture so many times let me hear your voice let me see your face lift up your voice lift up a shout make a noise of worship you know all of that.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_02: For me in the day to day uh I am a professional chauffeur with my child I can driving all over the place all the time.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_02: And so uh uh this is just my quirkiness but usually I'll come across a song that I really like and it'll be on repeat for a really long time and that's what I do.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah and so a lot of times I'll just get in the car especially right now especially as we're taking the kids to school.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah um but it's new and a transition yeah homeschool to school putting on the worship in the car on the way to school sets the tone for their day and I'm I'm seeing it change um even from point A to point B in the car.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah I'm seeing it change their mood and change their attitude but I just uh I love to turn on that or just a song or something and just worship and just tell them who he is.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_02: And a lot of times there'll be seasons for me that songs resonate you know so there'll be seasons where it's like this song feels like my life right yeah and we connect with it.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_02: Everything I'm feeling yeah and they're like this is just or that I need to hear this is the truth that I need to proclaim.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah this is what I need to remember and it causes our faith to arise it just amazing it it's like nurturing our faith you know when we're hearing worship or we're hearing messages we're hearing the Bible it's just something that begins to let our faith rise up.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah and so day to day for me worship is that and then just constant I'm constantly talking to the Lord throughout the day just all the time yeah even if it's just like help me God help me right now I don't know what to do.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry yeah or just I'm dealing with homework around two Lord please help me and just and also just I love you like so um just being caught in the busyness of the day um just driving and just um thank you just thank you God thank you for what you've entrusted us with thank you for what you've given thank you for taking us through 10 hard years of life and learning and thank you for keeping us and there's just this well this is where our power outage really interrupted this conversation I promise we'll get right back to it but in the meantime I thought I would take this opportunity to remind you that if you still are in need of a planner or calendar this year you will want to check out the Brilliant Life Planner.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_00: I promise it's not too late to choose a new planner for the year.
• 48:46
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• 48:52
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• 49:09
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• 49:21
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• 49:29
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks so much for your support.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_00: Power's gone out so now we're doing battery offering you have you have well overstayed the 10 to 15 minutes.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_00: I really had envisioned I mean I knew we could talk forever yes I was really wanting to honor your time.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_00: But you were kind of in the middle of saying just how you know it's about communion constant communion fellowship with the Lord constant conversation.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah and I think just um the the testimony of my life is that I cannot keep myself that the Lord has kept me and I think that's and what do you mean by keeping what do you mean by by everything to me um my salvation my belief my faith my um there were days I could not pray myself out of discouragement.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_02: There were days I could not worship myself out of depression and it was just like the Lord kept me in his hand when I literally could not do anything I could offer him nothing.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_02: And somehow he he preserved me it's at Psalm 16 when David's like preserve me I have no good apart from you and it's like yes I have lived that I have felt that I know that and I love what my my mom has told me all my life she's just always said Katie if you can learn to sing in the wilderness you can sing anywhere.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_02: Oh that's good if you can learn to sing through the pressures and the pain and the despair and the discouragement and struggle then you can sing through victory and mountains and valleys and blessing and all of it you know and it's if you can lift a song up to the Lord in the hardest time of your life then you can sing anywhere.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah I love it.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_00: Oh beautiful I really hope my prayer is that you know that those will be reminded of the power of worship not only corporately but individually and um and just the power of it setting our attention I I think I so often underestimate how it can change the atmosphere and yes underestimate too kind of what you said that you're you're borrowing their faith.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean there's you know specifically those anointed songs and they're probably anointed all the time but for our season yes how it it it speaks to that weak area of faith or the thing that we boystered a little bit in it's like remind me who you are God.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_00: Remind me how you see me and those songs lead us to that place to that choice once again.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yes I love it so good.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_00: Okay so my girls had one question that they wanted me to ask you.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_00: Okay so the prayer meeting last week it was on fire.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like awesome Holy Spirit fire so good.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_00: It was so good I like I mean I'm not there every week but there was something unique and I don't know if it's their season of prayer and fasting but they love that song that you do the bridge for and I am not going to try to sing it but do you know what I'm talking about?
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_02: We see you in our lives and in our eyes and in our breathing.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yes they're like did Katie write that did she make that up did you yes everyone everywhere should know about that.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome thank you they did I you know it's one of those things they asked me was like I think she did I've not heard it anywhere else yeah but I mean I remember the first time I heard you do that on a Sunday morning and I was like so good.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_00: It it was it took my breath away.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_00: It still does it rest my heart I don't know if it's just me again it's one of those things like I don't know if everyone's feeling those but um but my girls did and I thought that was really neat just that they were awesome did did Miss Katie write that because it's so good.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah and then you and then you went on to that whole idea too there was um and that's what I thought there was there was kind of like it was great and then it just kind of put it over the top of the whole idea your again it was just this bridge or refrain of um you know standing on our shoulders of faith or that our ceiling will be there for yes and I I just was so moved just having my daughters there in the room in particular and just thinking about that and um just the power of that like may that be so may that be true of us that whatever we do here on earth that none of it would be futile and would be about the next generation standing on our ceiling.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah you know that's that we are for yeah and especially in worship I'm like I love you know when we get to see like I was saying a little bit earlier before when we get to see these incredible worship leaders are incredible speakers and they're doing things and it's like it's moving our heart so deeply yeah to me it's God's putting on display what's possible and that's what it is.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_02: And it's to me it's not a um you know it's not a hey these gifts are only for these this personality type or this type of person and it's just not true.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_02: It's like we just display what's possible and then we hope that everyone sees it and friends with it.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah like that's the heart of the Lord is it's not about these special things set aside for only special people and speaking to ourselves right yeah it's not it's God's putting on display what's possible that's it and he's going if they can do this.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yes for your glory that's awesome I love it.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_00: Well thank you thank you for this and sad that the power went out but it's okay.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_02: And I do have to say that other chorus the ceiling and the floor is my friend's chorus is it and we had fun going we would sing back and forth these choruses together and somewhere local yes that one has always just stuck with me I love that chorus because it it just stirs something up inside of us.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah yeah and I think I think it it's something in particular maybe it's our age or the fact that we're parents or I think getting that heart I mean I don't think I would have understood that as a youth but now the power of those words like may that be so yes um is is really really great.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well we love it I love it I'm so grateful.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'm grateful to get to do radiant life with you and get to be a recipient.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's so great I love it and I hope you know we'll have to talk again in the future and there's a lot of things we could talk about.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yes maybe even just about the Enneagram.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_00: So many oh my gosh I love the Enneagram yes me too for sure okay you're ready to go download some new worship tunes I know I am ready to pop in my earbuds after this and do some worship as I'm driving around town doing a couple of errands between our Kansas City snowstorms.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's been crazy for sure and if you're local you know exactly what I'm talking about.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe this weekend you'll get some extra time to worship.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully we'll all be able to gather with our churches all across the globe and worship the Lord and exalt him together but hopefully it won't end there for you.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully you will take it out from Monday to Saturday and come back again Sunday even more excited to worship him corporately because of what you've been done internally and personally with the Lord.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_00: So I hope you're enjoying this three weeks to a new year series I'm loving just kind of mixing it up and doing things differently and kind of focus in this perspective piece about getting perspective for the year ahead.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_00: Next week we'll be talking about right we're going to be talking about writing down some of our goals and aspirations for the year ahead also writing down and writing about our word for the year what that looks like last year in the three weeks to new year we spent a whole week on getting your word I loved hearing all the different stories and perspectives and different words and I'm excited again this year.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yay and if you want a little sneak peek I've created a I think it's like five different questions real simple questions to maybe help you kind of dig in and see what your word might be for 2019.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm excited to hear from each one of you what those are and if you want to hop onto the socials on our Facebook or Instagram and share with us put the comments I think it was Monday's post uh the comments of what you're listening to right now what worship music and I hope that you will follow Katie Reed as well I think lots more exciting things to come from her.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_00: You'll appreciate the positivity that is added to your feed along the way and I just want to say again I'm so grateful for each person who tunes into this podcast.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_00: It really does thrill me to hear or to see it when you share your episodes with your friends and family.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_00: I would love it if you would tag us on Instagram when you're listening to us, when you're taking us along with you or if you want to share our posts along the week it means so much to me.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_00: And if you have a quick second just give us a five-star rating on the podcast app, whatever one you're listening to, and leave a little comment of what your favorite episode was.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_00: It really helps others find us and know they're welcome to join with us as we begin again this 2019 year.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_00: We have so much more amazing inspiration coming your way for all of 2019.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_00: So until next week be sure to join us on the socials as we continue to pursue perspective purpose and plans for a simply wholehearted life