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The Last of Us Special: Episode 6 · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this Sanny and Samantha and welcome to Stephane Never
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  Speaker 1: Told You Protection of iHeartRadio. And here we are with
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  Speaker 1: our part six of our special The Last of Us,
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  Speaker 1: a mini series where we recap and react to the
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  Speaker 1: HBO Max series The Last of Us, based on the
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  Speaker 1: twenty thirteen game of which I am a huge fan.
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  Speaker 1: We are not the official podcast, and in fact, somebody
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  Speaker 1: texted me the other day and was like, I heard
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  Speaker 1: this on the podcast and I was like, oh really,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that. They're like, oh, it's not your podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, all right, well thanks, but yes, we
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  Speaker 1: are not the official podcast, but we are one that
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  Speaker 1: I think has some good points and some good thoughts
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  Speaker 1: and some fun time. We have fun times, we do. Indeed,
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  Speaker 1: this is a mini series. We are doing it but
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  Speaker 1: one week after the most recent episode airs, so this
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  Speaker 1: is one week after episode six, which is called Ken,
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  Speaker 1: and there are nine episodes of this series. So the
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  Speaker 1: final episode, probably unless we do a two parter, which
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  Speaker 1: is possible, will be March nineteenth, because the finale of
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  Speaker 1: the show is March twelfth, So after that we will
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  Speaker 1: go back to our regularly scheduled programming Slash My Happy hours,
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  Speaker 1: which have been moved all about for the Saturday episodes. Also,
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  Speaker 1: there will be spoilers for the first six episodes of
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  Speaker 1: the series. Samantha is my guardian and making sure I
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  Speaker 1: don't spoil the whole thing. And it's this one's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be tough, this one, I'm gonna say, but I think
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  Speaker 1: we can do it. I think we can do it.
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  Speaker 1: We got this, we got this. Yeah, all right, are
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  Speaker 1: you ready for my wonderful recap? Samantha gifts the best recaps.
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  Speaker 1: I am so ready. Right, so again, because this is
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  Speaker 1: an HBO Max show. Just as a reminder content warning,
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  Speaker 1: there's violence and sadness and trauma all throughout, which is
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  Speaker 1: right up. Annie's Allie, that is what she loves. Um
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  Speaker 1: And yes, so if you haven't watched the six episode
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  Speaker 1: six pause, go watch come back. Yes, because my explanation
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  Speaker 1: is so good, it's like you're watching it as I'm
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  Speaker 1: speaking of this. I'm sure, I'm sure. Okay, So we
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  Speaker 1: are went back with Ellie and Joel, who all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden we come into a picture of a cabin.
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  Speaker 1: Dude someone someone is walking with rabbits. There was a
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  Speaker 1: lot of conversations that happened by the way, at our
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  Speaker 1: place about the rabbits. We're not gonna tell you why,
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  Speaker 1: but they were conversations, just so you know. And then
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  Speaker 1: we walk in and you see the character's name is Florence,
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  Speaker 1: a Native woman who is just chilling in her chair
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  Speaker 1: while Joel is sitting next to her, or does he
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  Speaker 1: say no, he comes out. He comes out with a gun.
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  Speaker 1: It is like a rut row, and we find now
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  Speaker 1: that Joel's trying to get information, trying to figure out
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  Speaker 1: where they are exactly because they need to find Tommy,
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  Speaker 1: and then trying to figure out, you know, where's the
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  Speaker 1: closest area to any headquarters. What's going on? Essentially, that's
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  Speaker 1: what he says. And we have this great banter that
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  Speaker 1: this low key banter that's happening between Florence and the
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  Speaker 1: other character is Marlin, who, by the way, we just
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  Speaker 1: discovered that they were together in an old nineties sitcom
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  Speaker 1: called The Northern Exposure, which I remember. I did not watch,
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  Speaker 1: but I remember because it was really big for five years.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently this was like a mini reunion for the two
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  Speaker 1: of them, And I really feel like this is for
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  Speaker 1: those nineties adults who know, if you know, you know, yes,
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  Speaker 1: And I also feel like there's a low key like,
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  Speaker 1: if anybody's gonna survive an apocalypse, it's the indigenous people
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  Speaker 1: of this area. I think they're right, but whatever. So
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  Speaker 1: we have this fun banter that happens between the two
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  Speaker 1: of them. All of a sudden, She's like, she's got
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  Speaker 1: a gun. He's got a gun, and there's a girl,
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  Speaker 1: and then Elie kinds like hey, and he and then
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  Speaker 1: Joel's like stay up there, and she comes down and
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  Speaker 1: everybody's like, what's it happening? But there they all have
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  Speaker 1: to sit down. Turns out that Florence made them soup.
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  Speaker 1: They were very hungry, they were very thankful, and the
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  Speaker 1: dude Marlin's like, what why did you make them soup?
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  Speaker 1: It's cold, they're here, Why wouldn't I He's like, why
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  Speaker 1: didn't you get the gun? She goes because it's way
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  Speaker 1: over there. It's fine. So wonderful moment um. And we
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  Speaker 1: do discover through this conversation that this area is kind
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  Speaker 1: of barren, not a lot of infected, because it's pretty
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  Speaker 1: much just too far out, not enough civilization, not a
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  Speaker 1: lot of supplies, all of these things. Um. They do
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  Speaker 1: say that it is the River of death they call it,
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  Speaker 1: and that the only think they know is when people
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  Speaker 1: go out, they don't come back, and they're but dead
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  Speaker 1: bodies everywhere, don't go. He does give them the area
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  Speaker 1: they're at. He doesn't know a tommy. They don't even
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  Speaker 1: know about fireflies. They think it's hilarious. So like there
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  Speaker 1: are people that are fireflies hilarious. There's five, five people,
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  Speaker 1: and so they go on together. Ellie steals a rabbit,
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  Speaker 1: and as they're in a cave together trying to stay warm,
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  Speaker 1: she's like, man, I should have taken two rabbits. All
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  Speaker 1: these things. They have a whole conversation about. He's going
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  Speaker 1: to be a sheep farmer, that's what he said, being joking.
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  Speaker 1: He tries to get her to go to sleep. He
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  Speaker 1: said he's gonna keep watch, but he of course falls
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  Speaker 1: asleep and to only see that Ellie's awake and has
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  Speaker 1: the gun. She had taken the second shift. He's like,
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  Speaker 1: wake me up. She's like, you weren't awake. Of course
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the second shifts. And he's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: next time, wake me up, because you can't be doing
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  Speaker 1: this tide to take care of you. She's like, you
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  Speaker 1: didn't stay awake in a story. So they move on.
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  Speaker 1: They shoot it off into the water to see if,
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  Speaker 1: like towards the water, if anybody's going to come towards them.
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  Speaker 1: They think they're safe. They go to the second part.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, wait, what if this is a river of death?
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  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden they are surrounded by
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  Speaker 1: pretty much cowboys. I'm just going with that, and they
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  Speaker 1: are like, oh no, what's happening. They've got a dog.
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  Speaker 1: This dog stiffs up the infected so oh oh, scary moment.
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  Speaker 1: Scary moment. And during these times, by the way, Joel
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  Speaker 1: is having panic attacks. This is fairly new. I did
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  Speaker 1: not see this in the video game. I guess you
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  Speaker 1: can't really play that in the video game, but we
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  Speaker 1: see this here. So he's having panic attacks. At this point,
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  Speaker 1: he's thinking, oh no, Ellie's gonna get eaten. Oh no.
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  Speaker 1: But then everything turns out okay. She's having a good
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  Speaker 1: time with a dog. She loves dogs. Here anyway, moving on,
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  Speaker 1: and so then we see him talking to them and
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  Speaker 1: they're like, what do you want. We'll let you pass
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  Speaker 1: if you do these things, or you need to move along.
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  Speaker 1: And then he's like, I'm trying to find Tommy, and
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  Speaker 1: then we see this woman come up more like oh,
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  Speaker 1: and she's like, oh, how do you know Tommy? And
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  Speaker 1: then they go into this wonderful town, very western looking
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  Speaker 1: and has all electricity and supplies and children and happiness
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  Speaker 1: is kind of odd, and we defined out that Tommy
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  Speaker 1: is there, holy crap. And the person who lit led
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  Speaker 1: them as a woman named Maria. We don't know the significance,
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  Speaker 1: but she seems to know Joel. Here they take Ellie
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  Speaker 1: to get cleaned up while Joel sits and talks to Tommy.
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  Speaker 1: And Maria were here. We also discover them Maria's his wife.
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  Speaker 1: And because Joel is Joel, he can't be happy for anybody.
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  Speaker 1: And Joel Ellie is like, well, congratulations, and here she's
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  Speaker 1: like telling them congratulations, and of course he does the
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  Speaker 1: whole voice of congratulations. And that's how we move on.
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  Speaker 1: And then we see that the children of this town
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  Speaker 1: is finding Ellie odd because she's very loud, outspoken and
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  Speaker 1: cursing and all these things, and they're like, what who
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  Speaker 1: are you? They are very intrigued and they have to explain.
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  Speaker 1: Maria explains that the Kaids aren't used to kids like you.
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  Speaker 1: That's how we believe it. There might have been a
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  Speaker 1: cameo by someone that I didn't realize was there, but
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  Speaker 1: maybe we're moving on. Um there. We go on to
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  Speaker 1: see that Tommy and Joel go to a bar to
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  Speaker 1: have a conversation while Ellie is being cleaned up, takes
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  Speaker 1: a shower, get some new clothes. There's a hoodie that
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  Speaker 1: Annie's very fond of that she wore for the viewing
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  Speaker 1: that looks exactly like it. It doesn't zip up. Sorry, yes,
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  Speaker 1: in the game, it doesn't. Okay, I did. I got
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  Speaker 1: very excited. We're sure it's worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.
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  Speaker 1: But then we find out during the bar at the
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  Speaker 1: bar scene, like he's like, we gotta go, why are
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  Speaker 1: you here, Let's leave. I came to rescue you, you know,
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  Speaker 1: being funny. And then it turns out Tommy is expecting
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  Speaker 1: a kid. Maria's pregnant ro Ro, which is a deviation
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  Speaker 1: from the game, just an fyi, and so that's like,
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't say congratulations, nothing, and Tommy's like, I hope
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  Speaker 1: I make a good father, and he was like, god,
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  Speaker 1: I guess we'll find out. Not cool, bro, not cool.
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  Speaker 1: We go back to Ellie who was all clean and refreshed,
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  Speaker 1: and we see this layout of clothes for her again,
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  Speaker 1: that hoodie we just talked about, and a diva cup
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  Speaker 1: very important. I really like that detail BT dubs. But
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  Speaker 1: she comes downstairs and this is Tommy and Maria's place,
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  Speaker 1: and we see a little shrine with the name Sarah
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  Speaker 1: and Kevin, and if you know, you know that Sarah
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  Speaker 1: is Joel's kid, and so they Tommy obviously put that there,
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  Speaker 1: and which I find out that Kevin is Maria's kid
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  Speaker 1: who had died. At this point, she kind of has
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  Speaker 1: a banter moment with Ellie, which Ellie's like, thanks for
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  Speaker 1: the weird gift, the diva cup, and She's like, he'll
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  Speaker 1: lout you'll want it someday. Is a good gift because
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  Speaker 1: our nice purple thick jacket. Apparently Ellie doesn't like purple.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, she just this very purple. And then
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  Speaker 1: she talks about Kevin being Maria's son, and then morning
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  Speaker 1: and then Maria kind of link does does talk about
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  Speaker 1: Sarah to her to Ellie because Ellie had no idea,
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  Speaker 1: she didn't even know who she was, that he even
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  Speaker 1: had a kid. So she gets that information. She gets
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  Speaker 1: a haircut as well. Find out that Maria was an
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  Speaker 1: attorney once upon at a time, but she really liked
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  Speaker 1: cutting hair. All of these things, and then it was
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  Speaker 1: you know, made a conversation about alluding to Joel's past
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  Speaker 1: not being great, but Ellie's like, I know, don't worry
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  Speaker 1: about it. I can take care of myself, and then
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  Speaker 1: she takes her to the movie. So we're guessing at
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  Speaker 1: this point in time, the Quzi probably didn't have all
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  Speaker 1: of those types of things, so this was neat to see.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever movie was playing, those sounded really awful. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, if you watch on in this theater
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  Speaker 1: scene there as a girl that she says next to
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  Speaker 1: was the one that was giving her weird looks or
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  Speaker 1: was watching her closely and was weirded out by at
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  Speaker 1: the beginning, And when she first comes in you need
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  Speaker 1: to note her. I'm gonna say that, okay. And so
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  Speaker 1: at this point in time, Tommy's trying to find Joel
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  Speaker 1: because Joel of course disappears because Joel is Joel being
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  Speaker 1: sad murder Dad and Joel is and I guess what's
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  Speaker 1: a shoe player plays trying to repair his boots, but
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  Speaker 1: Tommy comes and gives them a new pair and he's like,
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  Speaker 1: I got you this, and they have a real upfront conversation.
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  Speaker 1: And here we find Joel freaking out, thinking that he's
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  Speaker 1: pretty much getting too old, afraid that he's going to
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  Speaker 1: get her killed, and afraid that he's going to see
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  Speaker 1: another person, another child die who he regards and loves dearly.
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  Speaker 1: So he's trying to get Tommy to go and take Ellie.
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  Speaker 1: After Joel reveals that she is immune, tells him everything
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  Speaker 1: that happened through in the past and all these things
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  Speaker 1: and how important it is, and it finally admits that
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  Speaker 1: Test died. But by the way at the baby getting
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  Speaker 1: Tommy's like house tests and of course Job is like,
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  Speaker 1: oh she's fine, what the hell and moving on, And
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  Speaker 1: so it is decided that Tommy will take her to
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  Speaker 1: the hospital to the fireflies and benownst to them. Ellie
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  Speaker 1: had been listening. So when he goes to the house
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  Speaker 1: where they are staying currently, Ellie says, you know, why
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  Speaker 1: didn't you just ditch me? In this scene plays out
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  Speaker 1: which we do see this line line by line I
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  Speaker 1: believe in the game, in which he's just like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't trust anyone. You're the only one. I've lost
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  Speaker 1: some money people, And he's like, you don't know. Laws
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  Speaker 1: stopped talking about Sarah. And he's wrong, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: he's wrong that just because you have lost a daughter
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  Speaker 1: doesn't negate anybody else's loss. Just go ahead and put
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  Speaker 1: that out there. So he's like, I don't want to do,
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  Speaker 1: you know, put you in danger. This is for you.
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  Speaker 1: And then when he gets mad, he pushes her away
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  Speaker 1: and walks out, and she's sad. And by the way,
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  Speaker 1: that diary scene doesn't happen also in the game, because
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  Speaker 1: she's like, oh, that's all they worried about is boys
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  Speaker 1: and matching clothes. That's so odd. And so we come
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  Speaker 1: into the morning, she's sitting waiting. Tommy comes to get her.
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  Speaker 1: They go to the horses. Joel was sitting there with
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  Speaker 1: a horse. He's like, well, I was trying to steal
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  Speaker 1: a horse, and which Tommy's like, we would have given
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  Speaker 1: you a horse, but you know, Joel's Joel, and so
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  Speaker 1: he's like, you know, I've been sitting here for thirty minutes,
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  Speaker 1: and she's like, what does that mean. He's like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a choice, and She's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: let's go, Me and you, Me and you. So they
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  Speaker 1: hop on. They ride off the horse together, and I
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  Speaker 1: believe they talked about a baby horse that's shimmer shimmer.
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  Speaker 1: Shimmer sticks around y'all, just because you need to know,
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  Speaker 1: all these animals are not really important, but they are
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  Speaker 1: like they used well, I mean like it could have
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  Speaker 1: been anything like if they had diverted from those, it
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't have been a big deal. But they holding close
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  Speaker 1: to the game but putting these even like animal as
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  Speaker 1: the actual ones though. Anyway, and we move on and
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  Speaker 1: they're riding and they get to the hospital. But in
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  Speaker 1: between this they're having a lot of like interactions that
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  Speaker 1: he tried teacher how to use the gun, talks about
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  Speaker 1: how he what he really wants in the feature and
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  Speaker 1: not being sheep herding farmer. So it was really sweet.
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  Speaker 1: You see them really getting close at this point. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And then we come to the hospital. Oh there's no guards.
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  Speaker 1: They go in and we him see him pick up
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  Speaker 1: a note, which finally that's in the game. He picks
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  Speaker 1: up the note to show that they had all last
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  Speaker 1: beat abandoned very quickly because something had happened. And so
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  Speaker 1: also she sees animals like monkeys, which is like that's
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  Speaker 1: the thing which we've all had the debate about, like, well,
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  Speaker 1: can the monkeys being then the animals be infected I
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  Speaker 1: guess not Moving on, and they hear noises more monkeys,
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  Speaker 1: and then they look outside and realize, oh, raiders. So
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  Speaker 1: they try to sneak away, even though I think their
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  Speaker 1: horse has already been spotted. But as they do, someone
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  Speaker 1: comes running to attack Joel. They get into a fight.
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  Speaker 1: Joel brakes his neck real gruesome, turns around and oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, he's been stabbed. We see the knife aparently
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  Speaker 1: he didn't feel it, and then the rest of the
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  Speaker 1: crew come out running. All they get in the horse
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  Speaker 1: to run away. She fired some shots, they think they
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  Speaker 1: got away, and the last thing we see is Joel
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  Speaker 1: falling off the horse, in which she's begging him that
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't know what she's gonna do alone, she can't
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  Speaker 1: survive alone, and for him to open his eyes in
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  Speaker 1: the story, yeah, and Annie's crying a lot of spite.
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  Speaker 1: It was funny because again we watched these together and
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  Speaker 1: I got the question beforehand, like what is the cry scale?
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, well, I feel like it was
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  Speaker 1: gonna count. It was going to depend on how much
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  Speaker 1: they leaned into their what I called the comb to
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  Speaker 1: Jesus moment, which, by the way, Samantha nose I was
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  Speaker 1: very annoying about it, but I called what was gonna happen?
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  Speaker 1: So I've gotten a few techs since then telling me
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  Speaker 1: she called it, I define, yeah, So excellent recampus always, Samantha,
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  Speaker 1: there is a lot to cover in this one. And
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  Speaker 1: just to reiterate this is there's only seven eight three
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  Speaker 1: episodes left, so we're moving very quickly. We're moving very
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  Speaker 1: very quickly. A lot of the things that I want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about overarching I'm going to do in the
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  Speaker 1: final part whatever episodes we do of the last episode,
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  Speaker 1: but just because I don't want to spoil it, but
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  Speaker 1: so keep that in mind, I did want to say
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  Speaker 1: the game, the first game is split into seasons. Summer,
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  Speaker 1: it starts in summer. It's the longest season, Winters. The
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  Speaker 1: third season, which is where we are now. It's the
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  Speaker 1: scariest season in my opinion, but we'll see if people
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  Speaker 1: feel like that. But the seasons do get progressively shorters,
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  Speaker 1: a longus and then fall, and so it's moving quickly.
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  Speaker 1: I did want to call out the grumpy couple Florence
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  Speaker 1: and Marlin. They were excellent, amazing, Yes, And I saw
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  Speaker 1: so many headlines. So the next day I woke up
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  Speaker 1: really early and I was just like reading headlines about
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  Speaker 1: about that episode, and so many were like I would
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  Speaker 1: just watch a whole show that was just agreed, agreed.
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  Speaker 1: They were so good. This is this is definitely a
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  Speaker 1: turning point with Joel and Ellie's relationship in terms of
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  Speaker 1: like coming to coming two terms with what they're going
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  Speaker 1: to be moving forward and throughout is kind of this
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  Speaker 1: theme of like Ellie asking Joel to teach her things
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  Speaker 1: and then eventually Joel finally teaching her those things, like
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  Speaker 1: teaching her at a hunt, teaching her how to shoot,
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  Speaker 1: all of that stuff. Certainly, Jackson was cool to see
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: a place that works, as Ellie says, a place that works.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: And Maria. Maria is one of my very favorites. She's
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: played by Routina Wilson in this from True Blood. Yes,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: we were very excited to see her because it's been
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, she's been in several successful shows since then,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: but we always love an icon coming back, so having
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: her being a part of the show which I did
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: not expect. I knew about Nick Offerman and Melanie from Yellowjacket,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: but I did not know that Routina was gonna be
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: on this. I am very excited to see her and
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: I will fight anyone who does not like her as Maria,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: She's amazing and yeah, and this show she's like kind
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: of like Sarah, a very white, blonde, blue eye. So
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: this was a nice change of pace and like, she
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: did an excellent, excellent job. And Maria is one of
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: my very favorites. And she is another example of women
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: in this game series in the show being a leader,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: like continuing to be these leaders even though she says, like,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: you know, we're democratically elected, which they are. And Jackson,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: she is like a very driving force and she's very
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: very respected in Jackson, and you do get a lot
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: more of her backstory than you do in the game,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: like being the the lawyer, the attorney, having a kid,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: all of those things. It's kind of interesting because in
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: the game she the game kind of plays out differently
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: with how the whole like I'm giving you Ellie, Tommy,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: please take her wherein like he convinces Tommy like, oh,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: you have to take care you care about this stuff.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I don't. We're going to talk more about what the
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: changes that made. But Joel scared her in a second way,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: like and then Maria yelling at Joel like if he
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: dies and it's on you again, there's no Chiles. That
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: was a introduction, like Maria being pregnant was new for
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: the show. I also thought it was really interesting that
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: they included like, be careful who you put your faith in.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: That was Maria's advice right to Ellie after they sort
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: of had this contentious earlier a conversation about Joel, and
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: she doesn't trust Joel with Tommy that like in the game,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: she doesn't in the show she doesn't. She knows about
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: the past that they had, and it's not that she's
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: in any way like cruel, she just doesn't trust him.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: If she doesn't trust, well, if you've made up this
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: town which is flowing lovely and like nobody's out for themselves,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: which and then you have someone who comes in who
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: still kind of has that mentality of being out, you
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: don't know because it only takes one bad faith move,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: and if he's takes something from somebody, if he destroys something,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: or if he less you know, those things can really disrupt.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: So you bring in someone who has a reputation for
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: doing whatever he needs to do to survive versus helping
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: a community survive. I would be wary too. Yeah, And
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: it's not easy to make a place like this and
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: this apocalypse. And we'll also talk about this more in
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: the second, but like we get kind of a glimpse
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: of Joel and Tommy's past and it's not pretty. And
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I think that she's, you know, heard these conversations with
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: her husband about what went down, and it's just kind
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: of being cautious with Ellie, like, hey, maybe you know,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: just just have questions, just be a little be a
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: little wary about this. Also, yeah, the diva cup. I
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: cannot tell you how many articles I was reading giggling
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: in my room, your room and about what is a
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: diva cup? Because like CNN wrote a whole article like
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: are you confused about what that item was? Here's what
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, And I love that because you know
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: our listeners that y'all know exactly what it is. We've
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: talked about it for years. It's been around for years,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: and yeah, and I was like, oh, that's that. It
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: would be the smart way to go for that type
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: of emergency, and I'm really glad for the first time
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: we see it being addressed instead of just being like
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: everything's fine, women's bodies don't work like that, stop it.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: M m well. I love that they did it. They
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: didn't know, like even with the tampons in episode three,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: they did it in a way where Elliet has like
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: no shame about it, right, um, you know, she's in
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: front of this kind of like manly man dude Joel
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: and she's like, I found this treasure of tampons, like
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: she doesn't care. And Craig Mazin, who's like the showrunner
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: creator for television, he said when the pandemic first started,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: he called his wife and was like, what do I
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: get Tampa bombs passed diva cup? Like what I do?
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Because he's got daughters as well, and he thought like
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: that should be more represented and more normalized in something
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: like this where it is something she would need, Like
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: it's right, we heart normalizing periods. Come on. I love
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: how she like picks it up and it's like gross,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: but she's not like really grossed out by She's kind
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: of like, oh, I mean, I think we all did
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: that in the first reaction to a Diva cup was like,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: what is this? Oh, I don't like Oh wait, you
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: know its god like right about you? Oh okay, that's
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: the reaction you have with the diva cup at part
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: because you don't realize how really well functioning it is. Right. Well,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: it's true. It's just such a like fun kind of
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: interaction of you know, because it's not like it's the
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: most fun process at all. But but it's nice to
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: see a character be like, oh, gross, but nice, that's good. Yeah.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: And I also read that they put they made the
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: fonts that said menstrual solution on the front of it
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: larger so that people could read it. I love it.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: And yeah, Kuig Meisen said, we do this all the
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: time and shows with things like guns where we never
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: explain how to load them or we never explain and
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: do that. Why do we have to explain what a
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: deep cup is to people? Right? Which I love? Yeah, okay,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Then I'm just going to run through some quick things
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: and if you've played the games, are looked up spoilers
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: and you'll know what I'm talking about. But if you
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: have it, then just keep it in the back of
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: your head or forget it. Yeah, you can forget it
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: because it doesn't come around. It's not important, it's just ms.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Because there were a lot of Easter eggs in this one.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: This was a like easter egg packed episode, DNA. Oh
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: my goodness. I was so excited. The next day I
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: was like, this first thing I've said to you, I
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: think the next true shimmer the Horror, the Jackets of
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: the Hoodie, and then the branch was sheep. And also
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Joel saying like, I actually I'd like to be a musician. Yes,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: because in the first episode we did, I was like,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: the got the guitar. Yes, we don't. I guess we
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: don't have too many flashbacks of happy times. We just
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: have the one of like how it began, right huh yeah? Yeah.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Well this brings us to kind of the changes they've
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: made with Joel's character in the show, which I get
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: why they made them, and I'll have my thoughts in
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: the final episode maybe or maybe the next one, who knows.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: But they've made him softer. He's a he is not
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: narrowly as soft are as open with his emotions, which
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: some of you listening you've never played the game, might
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: be like, what ye him cry no, and that scene
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: where he's like in front of Tommy and crying no.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Never in a million years that have happened. And we
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: see him have regrets yeah, but never crying yes. And
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: even that when which we'll talk about in a second
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: because it's like famous, but they're big blowout with Ellie
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: and Joel that he's even he's much harsher than that
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: in the game, but he doesn't that we see. He
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: doesn't have panic attacks in the game. I will say
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: they do have a really good which if you don't
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: care about spoilers we've talked about in past episodes about
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: The Last of Us. They do have a really good
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: depiction of trauma in these games. But like this whole
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: fear of failure, he's kind of freezing up his like
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: fear that his heart will stop. They don't really explore
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: that and his character he is, I mean, like the
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: trauma is always apparent. It's just he deals with it
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: in the very cut off way of ill not befriend you,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: child's all right, Like I think a very sad murdered dad, right,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: sad murder dad. I feel like too. As the relationship
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: developed in the game, you don't really see that flip
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: as easily. It just like you see the flip in
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: the show. We saw the flip. Of course, it always
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: happens at the most end up or two times you
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: were getting too comfortable, audience, This is not going to
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: end well, and we just saw that with our ending
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: on this episode, which is what made you cry. But
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: like all of those things like that, we don't see that.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I don't feel like I built that up in the game.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Maybe I was just because it was I was watching
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: it as a game, but it didn't feel like that
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: that was a huge, like big moment. It just kind
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: of gradually happens and we don't notice it until like
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: when he gets protective right right, so in the game,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: which if you care about spoilers in the game, this
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: isn't much different. But if you care about them, now's
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: the time go. In the game, he kind of like
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Ellie and Joel have their big fight. She runs away,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: which she didn't do in the show. She runs away,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Tommy and Joel have to go find her. They have
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: their whole fight and it's not resolved, and then Joel's
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: just kind of decides like he's just is kind of like, okay,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: I'll take her. You know what, your wife scares me,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I'll take her, That's what he says. But there's not Yeah,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: there's not that big like moment or confession from him
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: at all. It just sort of happens something else that
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I noticed. And we've talked about this in previous episodes too.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: They've definitely made it more realistic in terms of like
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: the affects your body would feel living in this world
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: and especially as you get older. And Joel certainly has
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: some internalized ableism because he was talking about like, you know,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: if I had just been able to hurt this person here,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: this person but I'm deaf, if I could have just
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: moved faster, but I'm old, I'm weak. He says, all
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I've ever done is fail kind of this, like really
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: this thing hanging over him that he's not good enough
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: to protect this, to protect this person, and he does.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: He doesn't do this in the game either, but he
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: kind of has a moment where he's like, if I've
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: fail Ellie, like this is it. She's like the possible
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: cure for humankind. So this is a huge deal, and
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: I need someone else who is better than me to
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: take it on. Like he's like feeling that weight. You
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: also see a lot of kind of the ghost of Sarah,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: the specter of Sarah, his daughter hanging over this whole thing,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Like there's a flashback where he thinks Sarmah the flashback
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: but he thinks he sees Sarah as an adult with
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: a child of her own, and it's like, Oh, that's
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: what I could have had. Yeah. You see him kind
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: of lying about tests when him and Tommy have their
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: confrontation about like what what Joel did to protect Tommy.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Tommy says, life stopped for you, it doesn't have to
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: stop for me, and kind of referencing the watch which
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: stopped and he still wears when Sarah got shot and died.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: You do have Ellie learning about Sarah for the first
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: time in the game. It's a photograph she finds, and
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: him just being totally unwilling to talk to her about it,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: not wanting to deal with it. I did think it
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: was interesting in the kind of you know, behind the
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: scenes interview at the end where they were talking about
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: the differences between how Maria handled the loss of her
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: child Kevin and how Joel handled the loss of Sarah,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: and also the similarities of Alien Joel and how they
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: handle a loss because Ellie is kind of like, hey,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry for your loss, but I've lost people too,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: so that's interesting. But yeah, you also did. We did
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: get to this big Tommy reunion, and one of the
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: things about that is Joel's been so concerned about, you know, Tommy,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: and he's like, I gotta go save him, and it
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: turns out Tommy's doing well, He's doing like quite well.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: You do get some hints that they're very very dark past,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: and there are a couple of like in like more
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Easter eggs, like the stealth kill as you were talking
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: about when he breaks that guy's neck. Why not Joel
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: breaks that guy's neck. That's how you stealth kill on
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: the game. And then also the map trick that they
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: do at the beginning. Oh oh, that's right, I forgot
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: that that scene. I do remember them being like at
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: the very beginning of like she told me is different
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: you're dead. Yeah, it does happened in the game. It does, indeed. Uh.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: And then yes, the come to Jesus moment. Like throughout
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: this episode, as I said, like you see kind of
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Ellie being like, hey, if she says, if you're dead,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I'm to joel Um and then they have this huge fight,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: which it kind of cracked me up. But in the
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: post interview thing, they were saying, it's the most famous
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: scene in the game. I guess, so, I mean it
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: stuck with me. Yeah, but it is exactly almost exactly
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: like you can watch a side by side like the game,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: but where Ellie's like essentially like, admit you wanted to
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: leave me this whole time. You wanted to ditch me
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: this whole time. I'm not say era like if you
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: can say anything you want, but you're the only one
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: who hasn't left me, and if you do, I'm just
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: going to be more afraid. Like, don't say it's better
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: for me. I will say, if you get a chance,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: you should look at the posters and stuff in the
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: room she's in, because it's the room of like a
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: teenage girl before the pandemic, and there's like a like
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: list of hottest boys, like at least posters from things.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: But in the game you see Ellie constantly confused about
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: things like that where she finds this like modeling poster
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: and she's like, why did women feel like they had
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: to be so thin? That doesn't make sense. I would
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: give anything to have like food and not be worried
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: about this the vampire romance movie she doesn't get. So
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: that was kind of a fun little nod to that. Well, no,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: and that after the show thing they craigmis and said, like,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: you know, Joel makes Ellie feel less afraid, but she
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: makes him feel more afraid because it's something you can
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: lose that he's experienced before. And we also get to
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: see Ellie's fear of ending up alone, which is her
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: greatest fear, kind of planning out. I did think it
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: was interesting because when Joel's like, you deserve a choice,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: like I think you'd be better off with Tommy, but
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: if you want to go with me, and she's to
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: me like, yes, let's go, And that wasn't in the
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: game either. He just kind of was like, get all
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: the worse right, We're going together. And then yeah, you
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: do get to see kind of this montage of them bonding,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: of him teaching her things, of him opening up finally
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: about like, actually, I'd rather than be a singer if
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: I can be anything. He even smiled at one point. WHOA.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: And we're going to talk about this more in the
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: next episode. But the inspiration of the entire game is
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: kind of we're almost at that, and it kind of
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: happens in this mysterious I won't say more, but we'll
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: talk about that in the next one. And then we
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: do get to see them starting, yeah, starting to think
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: of like the future, what could it be like post infection,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: where Joel says, you know, yeah, I want this ranch
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: with Sheep and then actually, no, I want to be
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: a musician, and Ellie says, I want to be an astronaut,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: and she she brings up Sally Ride, which was great,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: and she is super into into space in the in
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: the game, and Sarah was also really into that stuff,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: so there's that. Also, the sad song that's playing at
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: the end was the Depeche Mode song I'm taking a
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Ride with my best Friend. I don't think it's called that,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: but you know what I'm talking about from the first episode,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: but they did it again and it was Kraig Meisen's
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: daughter and he was like, I felt like it would
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: be appropriate word because the lyrics are kind of like
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: I hope he never lets me down again, and it's
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: the daughter singing it this time. And also there was
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: definitely a not to Linda run stats a long long
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: time when Tommy Angel, were you n tough? I watched
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: this episode like eight times. Yes, I h I don't
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: want to say. I don't think I'm going to go
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: into this too much in this one, but I do
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: want to come back to this because I feel like
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I was very interested in what would happen in terms
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: of the fandoms between the gamers and people who hadn't
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: played the game, who were just watching the show, and
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I'm starting to see it play out. So I do
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: want to revisit that it was going to be a
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: movie by Sam Raby. I don't know if I ever
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: said that. That's disturbing. Yeah, well in Neil Juckman, the
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: creative the game, was like no, no, no, no. But
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I just think that's interesting given some of the conversations
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: that are playing out right now. Also, I've seen a
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: lot of articles written about Paris social relationships about this.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: We are going to come back and talk about that.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: It is interesting, but that's for a later time in
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: the meantime up next. If you don't want any spoilers,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna spoil it, but if you don't want
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: to even watch the trailer, if you're that kind of person.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Then hop on out, we're gonna see Riley. If you
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: remember from the first episode, Riley was mentioned mentioned again
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: in the second episode, gonna see kind of Ellie's past.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: We're gonna get more puns. I believe that to be true.
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  Speaker 1: And we are arriving at what I think is the
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: scariest point in the game. I don't think it'll be
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  Speaker 1: the next episode, but we're getting there, so that's exciting.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: And of course we're just gonna hold our breaths and
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: hope that everything turns out. Okay, Yeah, well it is
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  Speaker 1: an apocalypse game, so yes, I'm sure more death. There's
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  Speaker 1: definitely more death. What do you think on the crying
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  Speaker 1: scale would be for the next episode from one ten?
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  Speaker 1: Oh boy? Uh? I think it depends. I think if
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: you're I feel like I need to have two scales
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  Speaker 1: because I feel like, if you're a crier like me
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  Speaker 1: who loves the game, I put it at a five
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  Speaker 1: to six. If you're not, I'd given a four. Um same,
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  Speaker 1: But it also depends on what they do, because honestly,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: like what they did with Bill and Frank wasn't in
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  Speaker 1: the game like that. Yeah, and it made me stop
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: so there's some flis happening. There's some flips. There are
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: there are some flips. I know we're coming to an end,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: but before we do any I would you like to
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: share your favorite pun Will Livingston's pun book. This isn't
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: my favorite one. I'll get I'll bring the pun book
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  Speaker 1: in next time. But one of my favorite ones is, um,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: what did the green grapes say to the purple grape?
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  Speaker 1: Breathe you idiot? Perfect, that's all top of my head.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my um. Well, thank you as always to everyone
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  Speaker 1: going on on this journey, whether you've played the game,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: seeing the show, none of the above. We are having
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: I'm having a great time, so we have very time.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: I'm very very excited for the next episode. I'm getting
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: more and more, like just so excited every time. So
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  Speaker 1: this has been so fun. Um. If you have any thoughts,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: any favorite puns, you can send them to us. Our
• 39:34
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• 39:39
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• 39:41
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• 39:45
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• 39:47
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• 39:50
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