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- 0:00Our guest today on the Health with Hashimoto's podcast is going to tell you
- 0:03if you fix these things early enough, ideally by age 18, you prevent disease
- 0:08in adulthood and even help future generations.
- 0:12He's going to tell you about how anxiety, panic, and a brain that won't shut
- 0:16down are all part of a rev without calm pattern tied to hormone imbalance and Hashimoto's.
- 0:23And most of all, he's going to give you hope and practical solutions.
- 0:27Today on the podcast, I have Dr. David Bilstrom. Welcome to the Health with Hashimoto's podcast.
- 0:33This is where you will find clarity and simple, sustainable strategies to feel better.
- 0:38I want to help you figure out your root causes.
- 0:41My name is Esther Yunkin. I am a registered nurse.
- 0:44I spent about 17 years in the emergency department and then got sick and tired
- 0:48of putting Band-Aids on chronic things.
- 0:50I went back to school and now I have been in holistic health education for about 10 years.
- 0:55I know how exhausting it is to live with fatigue, brain fog,
- 0:59and the ups and downs of Hashimoto's. And that is why I'm here.
- 1:03I'm here to cut through the confusion and to give you practical steps that support
- 1:07your body, calm your immune system, so that you can regain your energy and feel like yourself again.
- 1:13Today, we are talking about teenagers, hypothyroidism, and Hashimoto's with Dr. David Bilstrom.
- 1:19Dr. David Bilstrom is a quadruple board certified physician and a nationally
- 1:23recognized expert in functional and regenerative medicine. He spent nearly 30
- 1:28years helping patients reverse autoimmune disease by treating the root causes, not just the symptoms.
- 1:34He is especially passionate about helping kids and teens reset their health
- 1:38early so they can prevent chronic illness later in life.
- 1:42And he has shown that by supporting the body's natural systems,
- 1:46it is possible to change the trajectory of autoimmune conditions like Hashimoto's
- 1:51for this generation and the next.
- 1:54Welcome, Dr. Bilstrom. Tell us a little bit about yourself and what you do.
- 1:59Well, I'm trying to change the way that autoimmune disease is dealt with worldwide.
- 2:04And a relatively small goal, but it's going to take me a while, I think.
- 2:09Unfortunately, I'm already a thousand years old, so I got lots more time to go here.
- 2:13But yeah, and so we're trying to teach people that we know where autoimmune
- 2:18disease comes from, including Hashimoto's.
- 2:20And I got to say, Hashimoto's is probably my favorite autoimmune disease to reverse.
- 2:24Kind of right up there with juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. maybe a little more fun than autism.
- 2:30And then all the other ones are kind of like super fun, but I love Hashimoto's. Reversal.
- 2:35But I think Hashimoto's is a great example of autoimmune disease in general.
- 2:39But in addition to telling people, you know, hey, the science is very clear,
- 2:43kind of like your podcast mentions, Nanwu, right? This is the science.
- 2:48This is the science. The science is very clear about why people get autoimmune
- 2:52disease like Hashimoto's, but also very clear how we can reverse the process.
- 2:55And it's so important to reverse the process and try to make it go away completely
- 2:59if we can, because what drives one autoimmune disease drives other autoimmune diseases.
- 3:05And truly the big picture is it's not like hundreds of different autoimmune
- 3:08diseases out there. It's really one disease that can attack any body part.
- 3:12And so I've seen women in their teens with six autoimmune diseases already.
- 3:17I've seen eight-year-olds with four autoimmune disease was already. And.
- 3:21To your point, though, we can fix this stuff early enough, like ideally lock
- 3:26the system in place by age 19 as optimal.
- 3:29We really prevent all kinds of disease as an adult, whether it's depression,
- 3:33anxiety, cancer, you know, anything you don't want by setting the system.
- 3:37But also we can do that before someone conceives a child.
- 3:40We're actually passing on better health the next six to eight generations,
- 3:44which is really powerful for the individual, but then really powerful for their
- 3:49future and then even future generations.
- 3:50If a parent is listening, what would they be looking for in their daughter?
- 3:57And I'm assuming sons, too. But when I talk about Hashimoto's,
- 4:01I talk about puberty, pregnancy, and perimenopause.
- 4:03So what symptoms would a parent be looking for?
- 4:07And then what's the first action they should take? Yeah, so a really big driver
- 4:12of all autoimmune disease, including Hashimoto's, and one reason why,
- 4:15one of the two big reasons why women get 80% of all autoimmune disease is a
- 4:20hormone imbalance called estrogen dominance, where women have too much estrogen
- 4:24compared to progesterone.
- 4:25Now, both estrogen and progesterone, vitally important. Every cell in the female
- 4:30body has receptors for that, male body as well.
- 4:34So it's really important. But it's a great example of balance is so important
- 4:38for the body, including hormone imbalance.
- 4:40So sometimes it's not so much what this hormone is doing, that hormone is doing individually.
- 4:44It's, well, how do they compare to each other? So I call this estrogen dominance
- 4:48the most dangerous disease for women. Because truly, if you look at the top
- 4:5310 reasons why women die, this estrogen dominance is probably a part of about 90% of all that.
- 4:58Not just cancer, not just autoimmune disease, but heart attack,
- 5:02stroke, osteoporosis, Alzheimer's, dementia, all these kind of things are all tied into this thing.
- 5:08So how estrogen dominance looks in a woman, typically one of the big ways is
- 5:15hormonal menstrual issues.
- 5:16So if any woman, including, let's say, somebody who just started their cycles
- 5:20in their teenage years, for example, if they have bad flows, bad cramps,
- 5:26pre-menstrual syndrome, ovarian cysts, polycystic ovarian syndrome,
- 5:30fibroids, endometriosis.
- 5:32Fibrocystic breast disease, and then this is even tied into infertility,
- 5:36any of those hormonal menstrual things, you know that person's got estrogen dominance.
- 5:41And you look at that, and a few generations ago, that was kind of unusual.
- 5:46But now it's almost like, well, what woman doesn't have at least one of those,
- 5:51right? Or multiple runs, right?
- 5:52Now, the other thing that shows up as because estrogen is a hormone that revs
- 5:56the system. And most hormones rev the system.
- 5:59Estrogen revs the system. Progesterone calms the system.
- 6:02So estrogen dominance also shows up as excessive worry, anxiety.
- 6:07Like people will say, I'm just a worrier. You know, I'm just feel so anxious,
- 6:11you know, but also panic attacks.
- 6:13And then because the brain won't shut down because you got the Rev Without Calm,
- 6:17this can impact sleep negatively.
- 6:19Jeez, I just can't shut my brain down. I kind of, I'm thinking about stuff all the time.
- 6:22Any of the Rev Without Calm stuff is also estrogen dominance.
- 6:27So this stuff, estrogen dominance looks like this. right without calm,
- 6:31hormonal, menstrual, long before it turns into Hashimoto's and autoimmune disease.
- 6:34So we see these things coming, but people don't know what these symptoms tell
- 6:40us. They don't know what estrogen dominance.
- 6:42They don't know where it's going to go, including women with estrogen dominance
- 6:47before menopause have not twice the risk of breast cancer as anybody else,
- 6:51not three times, not four times the risk, has a 5.4 times greater risk of breast
- 6:56cancer before menopause,
- 6:57and a 10 times greater risk of dying of a malignant cancer,
- 7:02the kind that start one place and metastasize, terrible ones,
- 7:0510 times greater risk of dying of malignant cancer their entire lifetime.
- 7:10Yuck. Above and beyond, wow, this is one of the big reasons why 80% of people
- 7:15that get autoimmune disease are women.
- 7:17And so you see this stuff coming, and I say, well, women need to know this.
- 7:22Parents need to know this about their female daughters entering starting reproductive
- 7:26years, because it's not just crummy stuff already, but it's like,
- 7:31ooh, we have this beautiful flag that goes up that we need to fix this because
- 7:36nobody needs the Rev Without Calm stuff. That all stinks.
- 7:38Nobody needs the hormonal menstrual thing. That stinks, but we don't need it
- 7:42to develop into this stuff.
- 7:46But once we know sort of what this stuff is telling us, we're like,
- 7:49oh, okay, let's go fix it.
- 7:51Now, typically that's not the way that Standard, more traditional allopathic medicine does it.
- 7:56You know, oh, you got all these hormonal menstrual things. Well,
- 7:58let's put you on birth control pills.
- 8:00They're estrogen-based, so they make it worse. Well, let's put you on some Xanax
- 8:05or some Ambien. That'll take care of your anxiety or insomnia.
- 8:08And it's like, well, okay, you feel less anxious. That's cool.
- 8:11You sleep there. Well, that's cool.
- 8:13But you missed this beautiful opportunity to fix it and prevent that cancer
- 8:16and prevent that autoimmune disease.
- 8:18And so this is like great stuff to know, I think, because we're like,
- 8:24hey, let's stop this Hashimoto's before it even starts.
- 8:26Especially if you have a parent with an autoimmune disease already.
- 8:30Because really all autoimmune diseases are really one disease that just shows
- 8:33up in different people different ways, it'll show up in different ways in different
- 8:37people in the same family, right?
- 8:39And so what they see is, for example, rheumatoid arthritis is very connected with Hashimoto's.
- 8:44So you like to get rid of Hashimoto's so you don't develop rheumatoid.
- 8:47Well, let's say a parent has rheumatoid. Well, their child has a 5.4 times greater
- 8:53risk of developing type 1 diabetes, the kind that require the insulin shots and pumps.
- 8:59So if we see a parent with an autoimmune disease, we'd love to see the children.
- 9:03Okay. Is that for male and female children?
- 9:06Yes. Yes. Now, also, what may happen is maybe the child develops the type 1
- 9:11diabetes of the Hashimoto's first, before the parent even gets the rheumatoid, right?
- 9:15And so you're like, well, if we see a kid with autoimmune, we'd like to see the parents too.
- 9:19Because then let's prevent them from getting that. And that would go a long
- 9:24way also, whether you're coming at it from one direction or the other,
- 9:27really helping women prevent breast cancer, which I'm also so passionate about
- 9:31because nobody talks about preventing breast cancer.
- 9:34All you ever hear, like the entire Breast Cancer Awareness Month,
- 9:38early detection, early detection, early detection.
- 9:41And I sit there, now I've made videos about this, so I don't just sit there
- 9:44and listen. I sit there and I go, tell us.
- 9:47You're sitting there telling everybody, a supposed expert, that you're just
- 9:51going to not do anything at all to prevent a woman from getting breast cancer.
- 9:54Nothing at all. You're just going to sit there and wait, wait,
- 9:57wait, wait until she gets it.
- 9:58And then, all right, we detected it.
- 10:02We did what we're supposed to. And I'm like, oh, no, no, no, no.
- 10:05So this is lovely because what we're talking about with this Hashimoto's is
- 10:09if you're preventing it or you're reversing it, you're also doing your due diligence
- 10:13to prevent other autoimmune disease and breast cancer.
- 10:16Right. So actually, I have an episode on estrogen dominance,
- 10:20and it's one of my most popular episodes. I believe it's episode 69.
- 10:24And I talk about environmental toxins, all the things that we put on our skin, and then liver health.
- 10:29Is that where you go with your patients, or do you have a different approach?
- 10:33You know, there are very specific things that tend to create autoimmune disease.
- 10:38A big one for all stuff happens to be the gut, right?
- 10:42The gut's such a central mechanism for anything. You know, so if you're seeing
- 10:45somebody with brainy stuff, and all brainy stuff is just brain stuff.
- 10:49It's all kind of the same thing, just shows up differently. A little bit like
- 10:51autoimmune disease. Well, it can show up different body parts, right?
- 10:54Well, brain stuff shows up different ways to different people.
- 10:56It's all just brain stuff.
- 10:58So you got brain stuff. First thing I'm thinking about, what's going on in the
- 11:01gut? There's such a big gut-brain connection. Well, there's also a huge skin-gut connection.
- 11:06Hey, you got some skin stuff? 95% of the time, I'm thinking,
- 11:09what's going on with your gut?
- 11:1080% of the immune system surrounds the gut. You got like immune system stuff.
- 11:13I'm thinking, what's going on with the gut?
- 11:15Now, when the gut gets thrown off, it's hard to detoxify.
- 11:21And when you make a healthy new hormone like estrogen, like estradiol,
- 11:26let's say, one of the three estrogens that women might make during their lifetime,
- 11:29estradiol is great because hormones keep away inflammation, keep away disease by doing that.
- 11:35So estradiol prevents heart attacks and strokes.
- 11:38It prevents cataracts and macular degeneration, prevents osteoporosis, the gut needs it.
- 11:43It prevents fine lines and wrinkles on the skin. Lovely hormone.
- 11:48But you make estradiol, and it does this work. But once this gets kind of circling
- 11:53the system for a while, it just ding, gets beat up.
- 11:55Now it's irritating and toxic. So it's not like the very first menstrual cycle of a woman.
- 12:01Estrogen is made by the ovaries. The ovaries go, okay, I'm done.
- 12:04I'm done for the rest of my life. Okay, I did my... It's like, no, no, no, now.
- 12:08We're going to get rid of the old toxic stuff because it's going to turn that
- 12:11way. But you got to keep making the new healthy stuff, right?
- 12:14Ideally for a long, long time.
- 12:16So, you dump old toxic things, toxins in general, kind of like to your point,
- 12:22toxic estrus into the gut, so you can poop them in the toilet because most toxins
- 12:26have to lead through pooping.
- 12:27But if you get the leaky gut, antibiotics, stress, metformin,
- 12:33birth control pills, all these other things that create this leaky gut,
- 12:37infections, well, you can't get rid of the old toxic estrogens.
- 12:41And they reactivate and reabsorb back in the bloodstream and start building over time.
- 12:46Now, before that even typically happens is we live in a very stressful world, right?
- 12:52And you're talking about emotional stress, including young people.
- 12:54You know, I might say to parents with a child with rheumatoid arthritis,
- 12:58and they're like five, six years of age. And I talk about the stress hormone cortisol.
- 13:03And I say, well, children's lives are very stressful. And they're like,
- 13:06what are you talking about? That's a six-year-old, stressed in their life?
- 13:10And I'm like, well, now I'm a thousand years old, right? So this is very old news.
- 13:15But when I was a kindergartner, if you were a good napper and you played well
- 13:20in the playground, A plus student.
- 13:23Yes. And fortunately, I was a good napper and played well in the,
- 13:25and so I started out pretty decent there. I was like, all right,
- 13:28I can nap and I can play nicely with others.
- 13:31But nowadays it's like, okay, three years of A's, let's learn to read.
- 13:35Let's just start doing some math.
- 13:36Okay, come on, get to school here now. Come on now, come on now. No napping.
- 13:39We got, it's just even that, right? It's like that.
- 13:42But then again, kind of to your point, We live in a really toxic world.
- 13:46We're full of environmental toxins.
- 13:48That's terribly physically stressing to the system, right?
- 13:51Disrupted guts because of early recurrent use of antibiotics.
- 13:54But now you've got a disrupted gut. That's physical stress.
- 13:58Vitamin deficiencies because the guts disrupt. You can't get nutrients out of your food.
- 14:02Well, all these physical stressors, vitamin deficiencies, gut disruption,
- 14:07toxins, those are 24 hours a day, seven day a week, month after month stressors
- 14:12to the system. So they kick up the stress hormone cortisol and get stuck in the stress moment.
- 14:17And we never heal well or at all when we're stuck in the stress mode.
- 14:23It's fight or flight mode, life or death mode. There's a bear chasing me,
- 14:26trying to kill me mode, you know?
- 14:28And so the hormone production cascade that makes cortisol, it's called the steroidogenic
- 14:36hormone production cascade,
- 14:37actually starts with a compound made by the liver called cholesterol.
- 14:41We'd be dead without cholesterol.
- 14:43It's a bad name, but it really shouldn't. We'd be dead without it.
- 14:46So from cholesterol comes a very important hormone, pregnenolone.
- 14:50They call it the mother hormone.
- 14:51Because then from pregnenolone, here comes DHEA, keeps the way joint pain,
- 14:56artichokes and strokes, keeps your brain sharp, bones strong.
- 14:58Here's estradiol, here's estrone, estrogens, here's testosterone, here's progesterone.
- 15:05All these important hormones, same production cascade.
- 15:08But what happens when cortisol gets stuck in the stress mode is cholesterol
- 15:12will tend to shunt towards cortisol production.
- 15:14And over time, these other hormones are the same hormone production cascade, aren't being made.
- 15:20The very first one that drops is progesterone.
- 15:23So typically, before the estrogen is ever rising, progesterone starts dropping
- 15:29because stress, stress, stress, physical, emotional, spiritual,
- 15:32even by the time a woman starts her menstrual cycles, that cortisol oftentimes is stuck.
- 15:39Progesterone is going to be dropping, estrogen rises, and that's kind of that
- 15:43double whammy. And so one of the hallmarks is fixing the gut.
- 15:48Fix the leaky gut so that you stop accumulating old toxic estrogens.
- 15:52Maybe use something to help run detox pathways like fully methylated B vitamins,
- 15:57the supplement DIM, broccoli extract, helps with detox.
- 16:00Create that calm. Get rid of physical stressors. And so you have these infections
- 16:04that drive all autoimmune disease.
- 16:07And then progesterone, cortisol goes, oh, that feels so nice.
- 16:13Oh, thank you. and then progesterone production comes up and the estrogen dominance
- 16:18is taken care of, menstrual hormonal stuff goes away because now you got this
- 16:22lovely calming hormone without this excessive revving hormone, sleep like a baby,
- 16:27super chill, which always feels nice.
- 16:29But then also when that happens, you're sleeping like a baby,
- 16:32you're super chill and these hormonal menstrual things go away.
- 16:35You know you took care of, well, you can, you always want to check blood tests.
- 16:39I love the blood test, but you know by the symptom control that you really got
- 16:42to handle on this estrogen dominance.
- 16:44And then you really got a handle on what we need to do to reverse Hashimoto's
- 16:48if it's already there or prevent Hashimoto's, other autoimmune disease,
- 16:52and cancer from coming down the line.
- 16:55All right. Wow. So that was a lot. So taking away, like the two biggest things to look at is stress.
- 17:03And we're talking body, mind, spirit, diet, environment. They're all,
- 17:07they can all have stressors. So we're looking at stress and we're looking at the gut.
- 17:11And those are the most important things to do for estrogen dominance.
- 17:15And helping your estrogen dominance is the most important thing that you can
- 17:19do for prevention of tons and tons of things, including Hashimoto's. Did I summarize that?
- 17:27That is beautiful. Now, this is also why we use progesterone quite a bit,
- 17:30prescription medicine, bioidentical progesterone.
- 17:32We'll do the blood test. We see that progesterone's tanked. We'll see that estrogens
- 17:36are either, you know, okay or they started to rise already.
- 17:40And people aren't sleeping. They're anxious. They have panic attacks maybe,
- 17:44hormonal menstrual stuff.
- 17:45But one of the things we'll do is put them on progesterone. Now,
- 17:48it's temporary because they can make it on their own eventually,
- 17:50like I just kind of pointed out.
- 17:51But by doing that and putting them on the right dose within two days usually
- 17:57we kind of say five but usually within two days you'll be sleeping like a baby you'll be so calm.
- 18:03Wow does your body like that and anything we do
- 18:06to create calm whether it's meditation or getting on nature or whatever is going
- 18:10to help to buy put be put in a position to fix anything all this stuff and then
- 18:15it's so much easier to reset cortisol because cortisol has all these hormone
- 18:19friends but almost all of them rev well if cortisol doesn't have its good friend progesterone,
- 18:24like where's it going to find calm it's kind of like if all your friends in
- 18:27your neighborhood that you hang out with are all like wired.
- 18:30You could be wired too. But if you have all these chill friends,
- 18:33you're like, oh, I love being around my friends. They just bring me down to earth.
- 18:37And so that, and I was like, why ask for the people, if there's no progesterone
- 18:40cortisol is going, oh man, how am I going to find calm? Give some progesterone temporarily.
- 18:45Oh, that's lovely. Well then, boy, does that allow the body to get in this position
- 18:49fast to start turning all this stuff around.
- 18:52Eventually you start making progesterone
- 18:53on your own. You don't need the progesterone. You're good to go.
- 18:56That kind of thing. So I usually hear about hormone testing as people are entering menopause.
- 19:02Are you saying you actually do hormone testing and progesterone in teenagers?
- 19:07Every person that has an autoimmune disease, because hormone deficiency or imbalances drive it in everybody.
- 19:14So I'll check, well, DHEA, pregnenolone, estradiol, estrone,
- 19:19the two estrogens, progesterone,
- 19:21total and free testosterone, and a protein called sex hormone binding globulin
- 19:26that binds up hormones, ideally to protect us from excess.
- 19:30So if you get these high estrogens, the body tries to bind them up to prevent
- 19:33them from hurting us in this situation. The body is so smart.
- 19:37And it kind of tells us how much the body is trying to bind up something that's
- 19:40toxic to the system based on the level of that sex hormone binding gland.
- 19:45I'll check that on everybody. As long as the woman started her menstrual cycles, not before.
- 19:50Now, I've heard that teenage boys, due to stress and dietary things and environmental
- 19:57toxins, they're also having more and more estrogen.
- 20:00Do you do the same testing for boys, whether or not they have Hashimoto's,
- 20:05or how do you approach the boys in your practice? Yeah, once they reach puberty,
- 20:09we check all those hormones as well.
- 20:10You're right, because we see this really funky thing where women are losing
- 20:15estrogen and gaining testosterone.
- 20:19More like in the 30s, 40s, 50s,
- 20:22maybe 40s and 50s. And guys are losing testosterone but building estrogen.
- 20:26And this is where at least 10% of breast cancer is actually in men nowadays.
- 20:31And those hormone balances drive tons of stuff, including testosterone deficiency.
- 20:35You know, ideally you want to be 800 to 1100 in a guy.
- 20:39A couple of generations ago, 70-year-old might be like 680.
- 20:44But now I see so many 18 and 20-year-old men with testosterone under 200.
- 20:49Oh, my goodness. They are feeling terrible, as you can imagine.
- 20:53For women, the hormones are a lot more, well, women are kind of more complex
- 20:59than men. Men are kind of a bunch of cavemen walking around going ugh and grunting a lot.
- 21:03So women have this hormone symphony that's very important, right?
- 21:07But very challenging to stay really good.
- 21:09And this is one reason why when you go check hormones in women,
- 21:12whether they have Hashimoto's, autoimmune disease, other kind of things,
- 21:17or it runs in the family, you want to take a look at the entire hormone symphony all at the same time.
- 21:21Because you got to look at everybody in the symphony and see who's going to
- 21:25be messing people up, who's already messing people up.
- 21:28Where in guys, it's kind of like, okay, dude, do you have testosterone?
- 21:33If you don't, you probably could be a grumpy old man, even if you're a 22-year-old or a 30-year-old.
- 21:40You're not old, but you are a grumpy old man already.
- 21:42So a funny thing that happens in my clinic all the time, so the health questionnaire
- 21:46I ask people to fill out, one is irritability, along with memory,
- 21:50concentration, sleep quality, energy, all these kind of things.
- 21:53So a guy will come in because his wife told me he had to, okay?
- 21:57And they're sitting there, and I go, oh, you know, here, sir,
- 22:00you rated irritability at 1 to 10. tends to work, you rate it a two.
- 22:04And the wife goes, a two?
- 22:07And he's like, I'm not a two? And she's like, oh my gosh, a two.
- 22:12I'll give her an eight to nine, if anything. He's like, really?
- 22:15I'm like, yeah, we got to fix that because this isn't going well for you and
- 22:18your relationship here. No kidding.
- 22:21When do you test? In a female cycle, is there a specific week of her cycle?
- 22:28And then guys, when would you test?
- 22:30So guys, anytime, because they don't tend to cycle like women do.
- 22:33But for women, when you want to really get a good look at estrogens and progesterone
- 22:37and that hormone symphony, day 19 to 21 of the cycle, with the first day of the flow being day one.
- 22:44Now, people have crazy, bad timing of their cycles.
- 22:48You know, you go, oh, you cycle every 17 days.
- 22:52Okay, so we're like, okay, we know you got estrogen dominance.
- 22:55We know your whole symphony is messed up.
- 22:57So we're like, okay, well, I tell you what, let's fix it a little bit first.
- 23:01Because we really don't have this great window of opportunity to look at those
- 23:03things. We'll fix that. We'll start fixing the gut.
- 23:05We'll start getting rid of the infections that have already gotten into your
- 23:09thyroid, driving the Hashimoto's or getting into your joints,
- 23:12driving the rheumatoid arthritis. We'll start getting rid of the infections.
- 23:15I use this product out of Canada that is an absolute game changer to get rid
- 23:19of the infections that drive autoimmune disease.
- 23:22And they go, oh, I'm starting to feel better. Okay, I got this stuff going on.
- 23:26The TPO antibodies and the thyroglybine antibodies are starting to drop.
- 23:30You know, hey, your TPOs are 480, the first blood test, and the second blood test are down to 240.
- 23:37And your thyroglybines are 84. Now they're down to 53. Okay,
- 23:41we got you on the right track.
- 23:43Now the cycles kind of get to where they're supposed to You know,
- 23:45hey, my cycles are back to 28 days, 30 days Okay, so we know you were worse
- 23:50before But let's go ahead and now we'll get a really close look at estrogen and progesterone,
- 23:55Do we need to start that DIM because you're still having high estrogen?
- 23:58Maybe they haven't totally normalized yet.
- 24:01You know, other kinds of things like that. But you fix the bottom line,
- 24:05even you can't do the test you might want to.
- 24:07And sometimes like 70% of all autism is one particular autoimmune disease.
- 24:12And so ideally in that population, I love to run a blood test.
- 24:16But sometimes the parents look at me and they had a blood test a couple of years before.
- 24:20And they go, please don't ask us to do a blood test. Oh, it was such, I tried, my gosh.
- 24:26And I go, that's okay.
- 24:28Don't worry. The science is very clear where this stuff comes from.
- 24:32We'll start getting rid of things. And as things kind of quiet down,
- 24:35we're on the right track.
- 24:36And we say, okay, you know, what loose ends do we need to kind of,
- 24:39you know, take care of in order to get you over this final hump?
- 24:43Hey, what do you think about a blood test now? Oh, yeah, yeah,
- 24:46that's fine. Or, hey, we got the cycles in a better place.
- 24:49Let's do a blood test and really look closely at that day 19 to 21.
- 24:52So we see if we got what we had to fine tune still to get over that final hump,
- 24:57set the system in a good place, ideally by age 19 or before conceiving a child,
- 25:01so that we can pass on, you know, cleaner epigenetics, cleaner health to the
- 25:05next six to eight generations.
- 25:07So we talked about women and you're going to do progesterone and calm everything down.
- 25:12What about a guy, Hashimoto's or just increased estrogen, decreased testosterone?
- 25:19Do you start out with, I've heard like weightlifting can build testosterone
- 25:23or do you start out with supplementing? Oh, it's so easy to do it.
- 25:28You don't need a weight lift.
- 25:30It sounds like a lot of work. I'm not a gym guy.
- 25:34I grew up playing tennis in tennis in college. I like biking and hiking and rock climbing and yoga.
- 25:39It's like lifting. No, we can do it. We don't do it further.
- 25:42So there's very specific guys, reasons why guys lose testosterone.
- 25:46So I don't use testosterone restoration therapy the last 20 years,
- 25:50nearly like I did maybe when it first came out, how important it was.
- 25:53Because you get things like,
- 25:55electromagnetic fields drop testosterone production you
- 25:59know cell phones wi-fi blues tuses everywhere but we can kind
- 26:02of minimize some of that a low in red
- 26:05blood cell zinc not serum zinc but the
- 26:07zinc in red blood cells it's showing us and
- 26:10this kind of goes with several things including gut disruption can't
- 26:14get zinc out of your food low red blood cell zinc makes
- 26:17it hard to make testosterone high ferritin iron
- 26:20iron stores accumulating toxic levels
- 26:23of iron detox issue too like gut right and cortisol
- 26:27are kind of the big four that drop
- 26:30testosterone production so you create the calm by getting
- 26:33rid of excess ferritin maybe say hey go donate blood
- 26:36once or twice get rid of that excess iron stores go to red cross give away some
- 26:40blood they'll start sink now we want to heal the gut so you start absorbing
- 26:43it eventually right and then keep your cell phone out of your front pocket you
- 26:48know that kind of thing and their testosterone will be you know let's say 180,
- 26:54270 is my, I've seen under 200, of course.
- 26:58They're up 200 points by three months.
- 27:00Another three months, they're up to like 640. Wow. Look how easy that was.
- 27:06And no weightlifting. Oh yeah, the body's so smart at fixing this stuff.
- 27:11You know, it's a lot easier to fix this stuff, prevent this stuff,
- 27:14I think, than people give it credit for.
- 27:16But if you really go out through these really big root causes like infections,
- 27:21the toxicity, the gut, the cortisol, the vitamin deficiencies,
- 27:26hormone imbalances, the deficiencies, you go right there.
- 27:28Really, the body's in a position to fix everything else. I see a lot of people,
- 27:33you know, we live in a society where medical people, traditionally trained,
- 27:37it's like one pill for an ill, one pill for one ill.
- 27:40But then when we start doing supplements a lot of times, even though people
- 27:43are really getting wise in how this stuff happens, they're still using like
- 27:47one supplement for one ilk.
- 27:50And I go, okay, well, that's okay. You know, at least it's not a medication
- 27:53with tons of side effects, right?
- 27:55But they're still missing these central mechanisms. And I tend to find it's
- 27:59the infections that people miss, or if they test, they don't get rid of it the
- 28:02right way and it never goes away.
- 28:04This is a product out of Canada that's called pH Structured Silver Solution.
- 28:08That's an absolute game changer in getting rid of these infections that drive
- 28:11chronic disease, a nano silver product.
- 28:14But the structured water, which they call the fourth phase of water,
- 28:17gets rid of inflammation and helps damaged tissue heal.
- 28:20All at the same time. And it's like, cool, it gets rid of inflammation and has
- 28:23damaged tissue heal. That sounds spectacular.
- 28:27And you create this calm and you do this gut restoration stuff. One particular thing.
- 28:34Combo that I like that fixes the gut in a way that fixes everything,
- 28:37including originally, it was shown to get rid of the autoimmune gut issues like
- 28:41ulcerative class and Crohn's disease.
- 28:42But then Harvard Journal of Psychiatry says, hey, it gets rid of major depressive disorder.
- 28:47Psych Journal, this other one, hey, it changes personality types.
- 28:50People become more outgoing and more social.
- 28:52Hey, it's a nuclear weapon against obesity and diabetes.
- 28:55I did all these videos that, hey, this is what prevents breast cancer too.
- 28:59Look at all these articles. is vitamin D daily, probiotics daily,
- 29:03and the use of something called butyrate.
- 29:05And butyrate is made by the good bacteria in the gut called the short-chain
- 29:08fatty acid, comes in capsule form.
- 29:10But it fixes the gut in a way that allows you to fix everything.
- 29:15And so I use that combo on so many people, the vast majority,
- 29:20because it fixes the way everything goes, including because of the problem that
- 29:28needs to be corrected is in the gut, even though every cell in our body has a vitamin D receptor.
- 29:32So every cell in these vitamin D, the vitamin D receptors become resistant to vitamin D.
- 29:38So we can have all the vitamin D in the world, can't find a place to attach,
- 29:41almost like we don't have vitamin D.
- 29:42Well, it turns out the gut has more vitamin D receptors than any other body part.
- 29:47So they go, oh man, the gut must really need vitamin D because look at all this receptors, okay?
- 29:54But they become resistant. Good bacteria in the gut go down, bad guys go up.
- 29:59The gut actually will start creating its own inflammation. And you might hear
- 30:02people talk about the gut can become this engine of inflammation. They got inflammation.
- 30:07The gut stops making specific proteins to keep bad bugs away.
- 30:11And so we get gut infections and dysbiosis and all this kind of stuff.
- 30:16And so when you fix it with a triad, foundational triad, daily vitamin D daily
- 30:21probiotic daily butyrate it fixes that in that way and then this is like oh
- 30:25my gosh it fixes everything including oh.
- 30:28Genes, epigenetics, the things that turn on and off genes.
- 30:32And we all have bad genes, we all got good genes, but when you get this stuff,
- 30:35you've turned on the bad, turned off the good, right?
- 30:37So this is where anything that works through epigenetics, like actually butyrate,
- 30:41works almost exclusively through epigenetics.
- 30:43Meditation and getting out in nature, that works through epigenetics.
- 30:46But when vitamin D hits the vitamin D receptor that's sensitive,
- 30:51it makes something called a vitamin D responsive element, a protein,
- 30:54that goes to other genes and turns them on and off, including it will turn off
- 30:58all the genes that predispose to type 1 diabetes and all the genes that predispose
- 31:03to autism all at the same time.
- 31:05So this vitamin D receptor resistance that you fix with the foundational triad
- 31:08is like, oh my gosh, that is like a super central mechanism,
- 31:12including turning off all the genes that predispose to things nobody wants, right?
- 31:17But then you're fixing the brain and the immune system and the gut.
- 31:20And so I think that's something that you don't hear talked about enough.
- 31:24And it is such a big central mechanism. That's why, like Hashimoto's,
- 31:29TPO antibodies, 480, 240, 137, 89, 54, you know, that kind of steady progression that you get.
- 31:39And when people get flares of any automobiles, including Hashimoto's,
- 31:43the first thing I think of is there's a bad bug in the gut.
- 31:47Usually candida, some kind of yeast, it's so easy to get in.
- 31:50So if I see Hashimoto's antibodies go up between blood tests,
- 31:54I go, oh, I think it was a bad bug in your gut.
- 31:56If somebody goes, I feel like I'm in a flare, bad bug in the gut.
- 31:59Instantly, I put them on something called grapefruit seed extract twice a day for six weeks.
- 32:03They'll get rid of any bad bug in the gut fast. Six weeks is really fast for
- 32:07these bugs that create chronic disease. Can you do that as drops?
- 32:11You can. It comes in capsule form, too. Okay. Either way.
- 32:15And even some of the fungal species, the candida species, for example,
- 32:21that are really, really stubborn to get rid of.
- 32:24It'll get rid of them and I'll get rid of them fast. And the flare is over quick
- 32:27because we don't like people to be flared up. Right. You know, it's like, that stinks.
- 32:31I remember with joints or Hashimoto's and all this kind of stuff.
- 32:34But I don't even check a digestive stool analysis on those people.
- 32:37I'm like, oh, you have to have a bad bug in the gut.
- 32:39And this stuff, there's no downside to grapefruit seed extract.
- 32:43And if you go, oh, I started it and I feel better. We go, yeah.
- 32:46Okay. That confirmed our suspicion.
- 32:48And I don't, I'm not sure I can remember the last time when a flare happened
- 32:51that it didn't help because that's just kind of how things work.
- 32:54And then you go, okay, well, we got still some improvement in this immune system
- 32:58to keep away infections and got to heal the gut a little bit better,
- 33:01not to let those bad dudes back in again.
- 33:03But at least we got you out of the flare quick and we'll keep doing our work
- 33:06so that hopefully we get you so well that that stops happening,
- 33:11never happens again. And that's part of the locking them in place with a healthy
- 33:14gut, healthy immune system for long-term health.
- 33:18We've covered a lot of stuff. Dr. Bilstrom, thank you so much.
- 33:22If somebody is listening, what is like the one thing you want them to take away
- 33:26from this episode if they can only remember one thing?
- 33:29You've got to get rid of the infections with this product out of Canada because
- 33:33it's the Epstein-Barr virus, the mycoplasma, the herpes virus 6.
- 33:38Those are the kind of dudes that get to the thyroid and create the Hashimoto's.
- 33:43And you're never going to turn this around. You're never going to prevent the
- 33:46flares. You're never going to prevent other autoimmune diseases unless you get rid of the infection.
- 33:51And this is an absolute game changer, including the structured water portion
- 33:55gets rid of inflammation and helps damaged tissue heal, which is ultimately
- 33:59what you're trying to do is heal the whole system, get rid of the things that
- 34:03are causing the damage, but then allow the healing to happen.
- 34:06What's the name of that product and where can they get it? It's called pH Structured Silver Solutions.
- 34:13And you can get it at 10 parts per million as a non-medical person,
- 34:17but you really want to use the 30 parts per million that you can get through physicians.
- 34:22Or if you're an NP, PA, physician, nurse practitioner out there, you can get it as well.
- 34:29Now, I've seen on Facebook some people make their own silver water.
- 34:34Is that the same thing or is that completely different? Don't do that.
- 34:37Don't do that. We don't need anybody turning blue.
- 34:40That's why we can't use colloidal silver. and you don't want to make your own
- 34:43colloidal because this is like night and day difference from colloidal silver.
- 34:48And colloidal is not even strong enough to get rid of these infections that drive chronic disease.
- 34:53And if you got a UTI, you got something like that, it'll get rid of it in short
- 34:56order, a couple of weeks.
- 34:58Malaria, it'll get rid of in a couple of weeks. But truly this nano silver is
- 35:02the one that's going to get rid of the infections that drive chronic disease.
- 35:05There's way too stubborn to get, use that other kind of silver to get rid of them.
- 35:11Okay, cool. Dr. Bilstrom, where can people connect with you and learn more?
- 35:15So my website is drdavidbilstrom.com. And I have courses for non-medical people.
- 35:21I have courses for medical people to teach them all about this stuff.
- 35:25Lots of blogs, lots of videos, and non-woo perspective that I come from.
- 35:31I'm usually going to say in a video, hey, this is what the Journal of said,
- 35:36including, you know, this is why this stuff prevents breast cancer.
- 35:40Look at these three articles and all this other kind of stuff.
- 35:43So people really understand this is the science, not just someone's opinion.
- 35:48Right. Awesome. I'll have those links down in the show notes.
- 35:51Thank you so much for coming on the Health with Hashimoto's podcast.
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