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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Cutting Through the Chaos on the America Out Loud Network.
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I'm your host Wallace Garneau, and I want to talk to you today about what I call my father's fascism.
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You see, when I was 18, I joined the Marine Corps reserves.
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It was kind of a spur-of-the-moment decision.
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I didn't like wake up one day and think I'm going to be in the Marine Corps or anything like that.
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It was actually thrown out by my father when I was 17.
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My parents thought that I was doing drugs.
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I was not doing drugs.
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They looked at what my life had changed, and they said, Well, he's been dating this girl.
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No, but it actually changed, in addition to the fact that I was dating a girl, is that I'd also put been put on Accutane about a year earlier.
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I was still taking it, so I'd been taking Accutane for about a year.
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And uh back in these days, nobody knew what the side effects of Accutane were.
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I was in a very high dose.
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Wasn't getting a lot of facial acne.
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I was getting a lot of bad acne on my back.
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So I was put on the Accutane primarily for uh for that.
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They're like big boils was nasty.
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And it cleared me right up.
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So the Accutane did exactly what it was advertised to do.
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It was considered a miracle anti-acne drug at the time.
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But what they didn't know is that it also can cause violent mood swings, and uh in many cases, in some cases, children on it actually, particularly in that age group, actually would commit suicide.
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Now, I obviously did not commit suicide, but I was taking the Accutane, and it must have had some kind of an effect on my mood swings, because within a few months of taking it, I started having real problems with my father.
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You would say that it was I became very, very rebellious.
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I had to make a long story short when I was 17.
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Uh my father threw me out of the house.
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I moved into a three-bedroom apartment on the other side of town.
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Uh ironically, I five other people.
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There were six of us living in there at the time.
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And uh ironically, I was the youngest by by a number of years.
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Everybody was mid-20s to early 30s, except 17-year-old me.
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Uh, but also everybody there was uh a narcotics addict.
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I had a friend that had lived there.
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He'd he would he was uh in in narcotics anonymous.
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Everybody in this apartment was a member of Narcotics Anonymous.
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They used to have Narcotics Anonymous meetings in the living room.
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And for the first few months I slept in the living room, so uh, you know, I was like the mascot for narcotics anonymous in the area at the time, is my point, and uh there were no drugs or alcohol anywhere near this apartment.
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So I got thrown out because my parents thought that I was doing drugs.
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Uh I was dating a girl who we were both wanted nothing to do with drugs, and uh, and to make a long story short, tough love on me, ended up moved out of the house.
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Uh eventually some of the roommates had to leave, and it was just me and my buddy Kevin, and uh, well, he decided after a few months that he wanted Payton Martha's Vineyard, and I could not afford to have an apartment by myself.
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I was working in McDonald's, couldn't come anywhere near.
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I was 18 by that time, but I couldn't afford the apartment by myself.
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So my parents told me I could move back in, but they had a real strict list of rules I had to follow.
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Uh, for a few months before I was thrown out, by the way, my parents had taken the had taken the door off of my room, so I didn't have any privacy in my room.
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I was for a while not allowed to leave the house without one of my parents, was not allowed to stay home either without one of my parents.
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For several months, I was seeing a drug counselor once a week and had been being being tested for drugs once a week.
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Um that only lasted about three or four months, so then the counselor, uh, she pulled my parents aside and said, Look, your kid is the debate and forensics uh captain of his high school, he's winning tournaments in debate, winning tournaments in forensics, he's a bright kid, he does well at school.
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This kid's not on drugs.
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And my dad's responsible is a great liar.
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He's got you conned, he's got you in his little little lie, and you just he's got you fooled.
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And she said, Well, I have to tell you, Mr.
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Garneau, I think maybe I should give you a drug test because your kid is not on drugs.
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Long story short, my dad thought I had snowed her, that I was on drugs, and so he threw me out of the house, and when I finally moved back in after I couldn't afford the apartment on my own, I had rules.
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I was uh if I wasn't home by a certain time at night, I was supposed to stay out overnight, but I was supposed to tell my parents in advance if I was gonna stay out overnight and all of these different things.
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It's an 18-year-old man had to follow all these stupid rules.
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Well, I didn't like the rules.
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So after I'd been home for a couple of months, I was taking some bottles back to uh it was a jewel grocery store at the West Main Mall in Kalamazoo.
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It was a dead mall, but you had Jewel, you still had a movie theater and an arcade, and then the upstairs you had all of the military recruiters.
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So anyway, I took bottles back to uh Jewel to get gas money, and uh on the way out to my car, I thought this was after the whole branch Davidian thing, and it was during the build-up to the first Persian Gulf War, and I'd always thought to myself, didn't think of myself as a military kind of guy.
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I wasn't somebody who was ever going to join the military, if that makes sense.
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But I always told myself, if my country goes to war, I'll go with it.
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And at that moment in time, Iraq had the third largest military in the world.
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Everybody thought this was going to be a real war that was going to take time to win and casualties and all of that.
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And so I thought, well, I've always said that if my country goes to war, I'm gonna go to war with it, and here we are building up to go to war.
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So I was heading out to my car with gas money to fill the tank up, and and I just spurred the moment decision, turned around, went upstairs, and I looked in the windows of the different branches.
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And the Army was an Army of one at the time.
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I don't remember what their slogan was.
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But they all had slogans.
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You know, the Navy had their slogan, and uh the air, the Air Force had slogans, and the Army had slogans, and the Marine Corps, it didn't really have slogans.
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It just was like pride, honor, integrity, the Marines.
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Yeah, I thought, well, I'm big on integrity, integrity at the time was the most important thing in my life.
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I would say now maybe I'd consider sacrificing my integrity, at least a little for my children, my wife.
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Uh but the time integrity was was that was the most important thing to me.
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Honor important to me.
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So, you know, these values that were in the window, not slogans, but values, they resonated with me, and uh I didn't think about the other branches after that.
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I went straight into the Marine Corps.
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But was thinking Marine Corps on the way up anyway.
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I just looked into the other windows to make sure.
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But I went in, and I remember the name of the recruiter was Sergeant Patrick, and he asked me if he could help me.
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And I said, Yes, you can, I'd like to join the Marine Corps.
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Then he started giving me a sales pitch, trying to talk me into joining the Marine Corps.
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Here's why you should consider joining the Marine Corps.
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And I said, I don't think you understand.
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I'm not looking for a sales pitch, I'm looking for a contract.
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Well, he made me watch a video called Earning the Title, and then he asked me if there was anything in the video that had scared me.
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Well, I lied to him.
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The fact of the matter is, I was a pretty good swimmer for a few years and a best friend whose family at a pool, and we swam a lot, but very, very controlled environment.
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The fact of the matter is I've always had a little bit of a fear of water.
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So doing things like getting dressed and undressed in the deep end of a pool.
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Uh there's certain things that I would have trouble with.
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I didn't tell them that, though.
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I told them the only thing in the movie that scared me was the haircut.
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Because of course they buzz your head at the beginning of boot camp and they showed that in the video.
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So I lied to him and told him the only thing I was afraid of was the haircut.
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And then uh that weekend, on Thursday, I think it was, I flew out to, I not flew out, I was put in the bus and went out to Lansing to uh get my physical and uh and and you know swear the the oath and signed the contract, not to leave quite yet.
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I wasn't gonna leave for about another three months, but to sign all the paperwork and everything, and uh so they could schedule for me to start Marine Corps boot camp.
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My parents had gone on Thursday to Toronto to see uh, I believe it was Phantom of the Opera, was playing in Toronto at the time.
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Had been for years.
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They were big fans of Phantom of the Opera.
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So they went to Toronto to see that.
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And uh they got home before I did, and I had not been home.
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I left Thursday, I got home in the middle afternoon, I guess on Sunday, and one of my sisters had knocked me and said that I had been gone since Thursday, and my dad, I violated the rules.
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I was out overnight for several nights, hadn't told them in advance, and uh, well, he was furious, he wanted to know where I'd been.
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And I said, Well, I went to Lansing.
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Well, he didn't believe that, because of course he believed I was this big liar.
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So what the hell did you go to Lansing for?
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And I said, Well, I went to Lansing to uh get a physical.
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And he said, What the hell do you do a physical for?
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You're a liar.
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And I said, Well, then I joined the Marine Corps.
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Well, that was not the answer that he was expecting.
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You could have heard a pin drop.
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And uh, and my mom started crying.
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My dad was proud of me, actually shook my hand.
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He was actually proud of me for joining the Marine Corps.
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He'd served in the Army, so you know, he was thinking my son was out at a drug party or something, which is insane.
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I had never done anything like that.
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My parents just thought that I did, because well, whatever.
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And uh, so yeah, I joined the Marine Corps as a completely spur of the moment decision.
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It was something I did not think that I would enjoy.
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I didn't enjoy it at first.
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Everybody after boot camp was like, oh, that was a piece of cake.
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Well, yeah, it's a piece of cake afterwards.
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None of us wanted to do it a second time.
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Uh, but it was not something I thought I'd
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I would enjoy.
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But as I was in the service for a few years, you know, eventually you pick up rank like in the Marine Corps Corporal, you're an NCO, and all of a sudden you're not the guy who necessarily has to sweep the motor pool.
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Now you're the guy that tells other people to do it.
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So you get a certain amount of rank, I guess.
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Uh what I'm saying is the nature of the service changes, and you're not doing all the grunt work.
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You're now in charge of people, and you're responsible for their their lives and what happens to them.
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And uh the kind of respect that you get changes when you're non-commissioned officer.
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At that point, you're basically a leader of men.
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And so at some point I started to enjoy being in the Marine Reserves.
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And so after I got about four years in, I decided that I wanted to go full-time.
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Well, it turns out that they haven't allowed Marine Corps reservists, unless something has changed since I was in, they have not allowed Marine Corps reservists to just go on active duty since the Vietnam War.
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The Marine Corps is the one branch that never has a shortage of recruits.
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And uh when somebody decides to get out who's got a little bit of rank, that opens up an avenue for somebody else to get promoted.
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So they're they're they're completely not into a reservist going on active duty.
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You're on active duty, you get out, go in the reserves, you can stay in the reserves, you're never going to be in active duty again.
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And uh what I'm the what a recruiter told me is the best they could do is give me a year of recruiter duty.
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But after being recruiter duty, I'd go right back to my reserve unit.
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And if you don't know anything about recruiter duty, it is one of the worst duties.
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I guess getting shot at in the trenches might be worse.
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But recruiters have these ridiculously long days.
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They've they talked to a lot of people like parents or whatever that don't like them.
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Uh, you don't want to be on recruiter duty.
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So that wasn't very appealing.
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But I did really want to go full time, and not just for a year.
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I was actually thinking maybe I'll make a career out of the Marine Corps.
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Well, a buddy of mine was transitioning from the Army National Guard to active duty in the Army, and he mentioned his recruiter that I was getting the run around of the Marines and really wanted to go full time.
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I was also living on my own.
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Again, I didn't stay with my parents for long after boot camp.
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Obviously, I was back with my parents, uh, but I got an apartment within a couple of months.
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So here I'd been out on my own now for close to four years, doing reasonably well.
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I could afford to survive with uh, you know, with with uh a full-time job and then going to school and and and then the marine corps pay and what have you.
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So could afford an apartment, had a car, wasn't a big deal.
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Four years in, also to live in girlfriends, so uh four years in, I decided that uh after talking to this recruiter and being told no problem going from the Marine Corps reserves to the army, I decided, yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna change branches and go into the army.
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So uh one day in July, I I married the girl, my first wife that I had been dating at that time, probably been dating her for about three years, and uh two days later I was in Fort Leonard Wood learning how to be in the army instead of the Marine Corps and getting trained for a new military occupational specialty.
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It's a heavy equipment operator in the Marine Corps.
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Uh, I had to learn how to be a combat engineer to be in the army.
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Then after training, I got orders to go to the 82nd Engineer Battalion in Bamberg, Germany, where I lived from 1994 to 1997.
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Now, Bamberg is an absolutely gorgeous city in northern Bavaria.
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My wife and I went back there about a year ago for Christmas, a little past Christmas now, but about a year ago.
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Uh spent about six days, four days in Bamberg, whatever it was, and then she's got family who lives in Dusseldorf.
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For those who don't know, my wife was born and raised in Poland.
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One of her cousins went to Dusseldorf, her sister went to London.
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Uh, but so we went to Bamberg for a few days because I hadn't been there since 1997, and then we went and stayed for a few days with her cousin in the Dusseldorf area.
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Uh but Bamberg is an absolutely gorgeous city.
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It's in northern Bavaria.
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If you look at a map, it's about an hour and a half north of Munich, and it's kind of right between Nuremberg-Schweinfurt and Wurzburg.
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Before long after being stationed there, this in 1994, not more recently, I started attending a German American men's group that met monthly in uh in Nuremberg.
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Uh, my father, the one who threw me out when I was 17.
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And we had a very good relationship, by the way, afterwards.
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Once I had my daughter, you know, the power dynamic, I guess, changes when you have a kid.
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And my dad stopped looking at me as somebody that needed to be corrected and started looking at me as somebody who had a child he would like to have a relationship with.
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My dad and I became very, very good friends again.
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So this is not about dissing on my father.
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My father was uh was a great teacher.
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Uh one of my substack followers, it turns out actually had him in school, and he was one of his favorite teachers.
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So I'm not dissing on my father here, loved my father dearly.
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He passed away a few years ago.
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Uh my father and I did not see eye to eye on everything, and uh we built a friendship again, but it was more at that point of a father-son friendship, you know, not necessarily somebody that uh I looked at for mentorship or advice, you know, once we became friends again.
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And we had about 10 years where I barely spoke to my father from about I guess about 17 to about 27 when my daughter was born, barely spoke to him.
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We became very, very good friends again thereafter.
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But anyway, as a history teacher, my father collected history books, and his favorite subject was Europe, but between the world wars and then the European theater of World War II.
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I grew up reading those, I eventually inherited those.
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I've also added two of them.
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I've got about 200 books just on World War II.
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Uh I've got hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of history books up in the uh upstairs.
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I've read probably about two-thirds.
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Many have obviously inherited, and I bought some, so it'll take the rest of my life to read them all.
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Uh, but I grew up reading them, and you know, now they're mine.
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Well, my father's biggest question, and as an historian, he had certain things that he was curious about, wanted to know about.
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His biggest question regarding Nazi Germany, and it was Nazi Germany, that was the reason that he studied World War II so much, uh, and the pre- and the interwar years.
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His biggest question was how a powerful excuse me, industrial country like Germany, could have followed Hitler.
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I don't know if my dad ever found an answer to that that he was satisfied with, but you know, 1994 to 1997, that's like 50 years after the end of the war.
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So I had opportunities to ask not only German Americans men's group members who remembered the war, but some who had fought in it.
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And of course, some of them had family members, whether fathers, uncles, grandfathers, whatever.
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Many of them had family members.
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This was Nuremberg was where the group met.
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Nuremberg was the center of the Nazi parties.
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So, you know, they had family members who would had it fought in the war or or been involved in the Nazi Party or whatever.
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And over the course of the time I was there, I got to meet with and talk to a number of those people and asked them questions about how it was that Hitler took power and how it was that so many people followed him and why they followed him in particular.
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Uh and some of the stories I heard.
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Most of the people who had just been in the Warmacht were were very, very much aghast at what had happened.
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They kind of knew during the war if they were being totally honest, didn't know all the details necessarily, but you know, they knew.
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Uh, but the SS officers that I talked to, I don't know about all the SS uh enlisted men.
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I didn't talk to many people in the SS.
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But the few officers I talked to to a man would try to justify the war even in the mid-late 90s, which which you know that would make my blood chill.
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It would make it boil, it would chill my was it was it was almost like the heat came out of your body when you heard the way that they would uh try to justify the war.
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Uh and those those conversations were they were interesting, maybe I guess in some cases in a very, very negative way.
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Uh, but the point is that having been stationed in that area during that time frame, uh, I got to meet active participants from the German side of World War II.
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All of that, of course, was you know, 20 years before Donald Trump ever became president.
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And by my father's estimation, Trump was the worst president in American history.
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And he believed that was true before Trump was even sworn into office.
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You know, he believed all of the hoopla, all the Russian collusion and uh Hillary would have won if Putin hadn't done this or whatever, and and he believed all of that.
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No, he honestly believed that Donald Trump was the single most the election of him, rather, was the single most calamitous event in American history.
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He thought that Trump becoming president was worse than 9-11, worse than Pearl Harbor, worse than the Great Depression, you know, you name it.
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Dad believed America maybe could survive one Trump term, but as he put it, we gotta do something because the country would not be able to survive two.
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Trump, by my father's estimation, wanted to make himself some version of a king and wanted to make the United States uh some kind of a Russian vassal state.
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Well, my father was a little miffed when I voted for Trump.
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Uh to my father, uh the son of his, the only son he had, two sisters, but his son, who had read all of the same history books he'd read, and had grown up asking the same kinds of questions he'd asked.
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In my case, with the added insight of having talked to actual former members of the Nazi Party and even some former SS officers.
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Here was I was his son suddenly voting for what he considered to be the American equivalent of Hitler.
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Well, for a father who wanted to know how it is that people could follow Hitler here, his son is voting for what he considered to be as bad or at least as close as America could ever get to Hitler.
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And so to my father, that was something that he really struggled with.
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And let me be clear my definition.
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By the way.
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These are the definitions I'm going to use.
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They're not necessarily the definitions that my father was using.
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Probably not the definitions that you usually hear people use.
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But these are the definitions I'm using, and we'll get into why I use these definitions.
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I've written about this in the past.
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These are the actual definitions that come from that would come from Giovanni Gentili in the case of fascism.
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That would come from the Nazis in the case of Nazism.
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That would come from my having read literally hundreds of books on this specific subject.
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So let's be very clear.
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Fascism is an economic system in which the means of production are centrally planned and controlled, just like in socialism, but left nominally in private hands.
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Fascism uses profit and pay under tight state control to incentivize people to work and to incentivize those who manage companies to manage them competently.
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When I say to manage companies, technically they own the companies, but I mean this is a centrally planned economy.
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So, you know, if if I say you own something that you can't, you have no control over it, is that really ownership?
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So they they separate, you know, you own on paper from you control what you own.
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So, you know, technically they technically the the they weren't just managed, they were they're privately owned, but that private ownership did not really include control.
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So basically fascism was Mark style socialism with an incentive system added in.
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That was the intention of it.
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That was what Giovanni Gentili and the other people uh Mussolini, you know, this is what they were trying to do, was they were trying to take Marxism.
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They saw what had happened to the Soviet Union with the gulags and everything else, and and they said, Well, the gulags, we don't want that, but we still want the central planning.
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We still want to subordinate the economy, the people, everything else to the state.
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Everything within the state, nothing out, I think, as Giovanni Gentelli put it.
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So they still wanted to have all of the government controlled everything, but they they want it to actually work.
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And they looked at the gulags and said, that doesn't work.
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Slay said, okay, cool, let's take a profit, a profit incentive.
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We'll control it so it doesn't go out of hand.
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We'll put that back in to get people to actually work.
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So that's that's what fascism, according to the the philosophers that created it is.
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Whatever definitions other people use, Giovanni Gentile was the philosopher primarily responsible for creating fascism.
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And that's his definition.
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So I would say if you want to know what Marxism is, you go ask Marx.
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You read his books.
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If you want to know what what fascism is, Giovanni Gentili is the source.
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Uh Nazism, incidentally, is a form of fascism, except that fascism is nationalist, and the concept of nation in Germany at that time, they defined it ethnically rather than geographically.
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So Hitler considered himself to be the leader, not of Germany as a nation, that was as a geographic nation the way we look at Germany, but he looked at himself as the living embodiment of the Germanic people, and he looked at that as the Germanic people all over the earth, no matter where they live.
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So fascism is a subset of, or Nazism is a subset of fascism in which nation is ethnic, which of course makes it a very, very racist form of fascism.
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But if you look at Franco in Spain, you look at all the fascist countries that popped up in South America and what have you.
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They weren't all racist.
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It's just to be clear on that.
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Nazism is a subset.
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When people say that Nazism and fascism are the same, well, in some respects, yes, but not in that particular one.
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So that's what my dad was looking at, except he wasn't using those definitions.
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He was he was using different definitions, which we'll get into a little bit later.
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Uh incidentally, had my dad followed my writing.
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He might have noticed that I too was watching everything going on in our country, and I even agreed with him that the United States was drifting toward a fascist autocracy.
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Now, I've been writing about this stuff going back to the late 1990s, right after rotating back from Germany, when I wrote my first blog, which I called uh the doghouse, and Rush Limbaugh at one point made it the Conservative Website of the Week award.
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I don't remember that was very late 1997 or very early 1998, but if probably a record of it somewhere on Rush Limbaugh's website today, uh Rush Limbaugh Dead, obviously, but I think some of those materials are still available.
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So, yeah, Rush Limbo Conservative Website of the Week Award.
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My problem is I did that while I was still in the Army.
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Very happy to do it too.
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When I went to, I was big IT kid growing up, and then right around the time that I was stationed in Germany was the time the internet became publicly available, uh, and I wasn't there.
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So one of the first things I wanted to do when I got back was get on the on the internet, and then that I opened my first blog before the word blog existed, the doghouse.
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Well, getting the Rush Limbaugh Conservative website of the week award, while it only lasted a week, for that week, Rush Limbaugh was mentioning my website every day on the air.
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And and I went from having you know a few tens or 20, maybe a hundred visitors in a day, to having thousands of visitors in a day.
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And uh I'd also I'd been doing very, very well in the Army when I went to the Army primary leadership development course.
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I graduated as a distinguished honor graduate and got a bunch of awards.
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Uh I'd won tables, which is like a division level contest for different kinds of vehicles.
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I'd won tables with every vehicle I'd been a part of as a combat engineer.
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So I was doing very, very well as a soldier, and when you're doing very well, uh the Corps of Engineers is kind of a close-knit group, so your name goes in circles.
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And uh one day, maybe a week and a half or two weeks after I was no longer the Rush Limbaugh Conservative website of the week award, somebody else was, and my traffic had come back down to what it was before I I got the award.
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Uh but my name had obviously been thrown around, and my my first sergeant pulled me aside and told me I should take my site down before someone as he put it much higher up in the chain of command, poured through it, looking to find anything that could be construed as a disloyal statement.
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Now, nobody wanted to punish me, just to be clear.
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I'm not saying that anybody wanted to punish me, but somebody up in my chain of command, how far I do not know, did not want that website to exist.
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I didn't say anywhere on the website I was in the military or anything either.
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But my name must have been recognized, and and somebody had said that they did not want that website to exist.
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So the message my first sergeant, take it down.
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Um understand too, the making disloyal statement is a felony under the uniform code of military justice, and one with a very, very small bar.
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Uh I'd written a couple of articles in the Clinton Whitewater scandal.
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I'm guessing that's what they would have used.
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And and Bill Clinton was commander-in-chief.
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So he was involved, obviously, in the Clinton Whitewater scandal.
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And any criticism of him could have been used to put me in prison.
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I don't know how many cases or how many charges of disloyal statements they could have thrown at me, but you know, I was facing real prison time.
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And uh that being something that I faced, no, I took the site down.
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To be honest, I've always kind of regretted doing so.
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Had I left it up and said, you know, you do what you need to, yeah, I probably would have ended up going to prison, but that would have also, you know, Rush Limbo would have been like, wait a minute, this guy gets the Rush Limbaugh Conservative website of the week award, and then he goes to prison.
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Are you kidding me?
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So uh no, it's it's it's it's one of those interesting what ifs.
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Had I had the the uh the shoot spa or whatever to to tell them, you know, no, I'm not taking the site down, what might that have led to?
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So, you know, I've always wondered what that what could have happened, and uh obviously that didn't happen.
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Uh but then years later, out of the army, I began writing again.
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And these are the kinds of topics I often write about.
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You know, I wrote about our modern fascism directly in an essay titled Fascism with Socialism 2.0.
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Now we're living in 3.0.
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That's available on the America Out Loud website, also on my substack.
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Uh and in this version of fascism, that I'm writing about fascism 3.0 or socialism 3.0, rather.
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I might call it fascism 2.0.
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That wasn't brought on by Donald Trump.
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My father was wrong about that.
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Trump, in fact, the reason that he is hated so much, not just by the left, but by those in power, is that he comes from outside that fascist system and is working to take it down.
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I am not a fascist.
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I am a true anti-fascist.
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I want to get rid of fascism, but I look at fascism as what it actually is, not as some caricature that we can label as far right or something.
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Uh so I wrote that, that's up there on the network if you want to go to go back and read it.
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Um but seeing that our country did go fascist, and then spelling out exactly what that means, that doesn't tell us exactly how it happened.
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So I've written other things that covers some of those topics.
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I answer that partially an article titled like The Quiet Coup, how the Intelligence State Took Over America, and partially one called uh they broke the market, now they're selling you the cage.
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And it's not just three.
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I've written about this topic an awful lot.
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I have articles out there discussing how modern censorship works, how modern endoctrination works, how the connotations of words have been weaponized to help program the public, how social justice is the opposite of actual justice, and a bunch of other essays that I would say are very, very relevant.
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Since I started a substacks, since I started doing the long form essay format, at least half of everything that I have written touches on various aspects of this exact subject.
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Again, from somebody who's you know, systems thinking, MBA and lead manufacturing, uh, read hundreds of books on this.
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So I know what I'm talking about.
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I've written about it a lot.
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My dad, however, he has not read any of my Substack.
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Of course, in fairness to my dad, he was dead before he ever wrote on Substack.
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But I've been writing about these topics, albeit not in long form essay format for almost.
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30 years.
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And my dad uh didn't read any of it.
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My dad did read one piece that I wrote, but it wasn't an article.
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It wasn't published in a blog.
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It wasn't published in America out loud.
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It was a paper I wrote about the pharmaceutical industry for a class while I was still studying for my MBA.
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My dad liked it so much he printed out copies and distributed them to his friends.
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He would literally go to the bar and hand them out to other people that he knew, to the bar that, you know, he had a particular bar that he frequented.
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But since we differed, my father and I on all things religion and all things politics, my broader writing never appealed to him.
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And frankly, had he read it, it would only have upset him.
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My most profound historic insight, by the way, did not come from a history book, which is probably why my dad never got it.
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It came from The Road to Serfdom by economist Friedrich Hayek, who claimed that President Franklin Delano Roosevelt's New Deal, and particularly his National Recovery Act and the National Industrial Recovery Act were modeled directly on Mussolini's Italy.
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Now, that hit me like a lightning strike.
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It provided a tremendous amount of explanatory power covering the rise of the American bureaucratic administrative state and covering why I disliked the American bureaucratic administrative state so much.
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It's anti-American, it's anti-freedom.
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My father, on the other hand, you know, he's he's always been the political left.
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Uh he doesn't like populism.
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And he believed that we should defer to experts for decision making.
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He learned from history rather than from historians, and as a history teacher, he tended to stay in his lane.
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That's kind of what we teach experts to do.
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The anti-populists, they believe, you know, you go to the person who's an expert in a lane for information in that lane and and the experts make the decisions.
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So Dad as an historian tended to stay in his lane.
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And it would never have occurred to him that a central historical insight, the central historical insight that his deepest historic question might come from an economics book rather than coming from a history book.
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As a consequence, no, it just was something that he completely overlooked.
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I'm your host Wallace Garnot, and we are talking about fascism.
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We're talking about, well, we're talking about kind of a personal story of my father.
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We're talking about, we're talking about fascism.
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The other side of the break I mentioned that my father did not like populism.
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And I mentioned how the reason why I saw that FDR got his ideas for Mussolini and my father did not, is because being an historian, he read history books, and that insight didn't come from a history book.
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That insight came from an economics book.
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Understand that anti-populism airs, not because elites don't have tremendous knowledge within specific intellectual circles.
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I don't doubt that Anthony Fauci knew an awful lot about contagious diseases, for example.
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But because in many cases, the critical insights that are needed to make decisions are scattered across multiple circles, and none of the elite can see all of them.
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So people say, for example, we have this disease.
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How are we going to handle the disease?
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Well, I know, go to the expert.
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Go to Anthony Fauci.
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What is Anthony Fauci do?
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He tells he says, Well, let's shut the country down for two weeks, and everybody will stay home, and the disease will burn itself out because people won't be around outside to spread it, and then in two weeks there won't be any disease, two weeks to flatten the curve, and everybody can get back to life again.
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Well, he's not an economist.
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There are probably 30 different fields that this is going to impact in one way or another.
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The only one Anthony Fauci really understood was infectious disease.
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He didn't understand any of the other fields that this touches.
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Had he been an economist, he would have said, well, that's going to be pretty bad for the economy.
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But he wasn't, and so that's how that works.
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He saw one silo, one particular intellectual circle, but there were other intellectual circles that he didn't see.
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And being somebody with a tremendous amount of knowledge in a specific area, he was the wrong person to make decisions for the entire country.
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Trump, of course, didn't listen to him, but a lot of governors did.
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And it did a tremendous amount of damage, not only to our economy, but but to children who didn't go to school to learn and had to wear masks when they were learning on a on a computer screen and couldn't see mouse move, so they didn't learn how to talk correctly, had a tri this is going to have a tremendous amount of impact for generations of Americans.
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And it's all because uh elites were making all the decisions and we didn't have generalists that had some information from lots of different areas, maybe not as deep as individuals, but could ask specific people specific questions and come up with a matter of policy that looks through multiple intellectual circles instead of just looking in one silo and forgetting about everything else.
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But getting back to to this, Mussolini, not Hitler, was the original fascist leader.
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And as I
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Examine the historical record more closely, what I'd heard from Friedrich Hayek.
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I found that Franklin Roosevelt openly admired Mussolini.
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He openly admired his methods of governance in particular.
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Roosevelt referred to Mussolini as, quote, that admirable Italian gentleman, unquote, and directed ambassador Breckenridge Long to consult with Mussolini on how Italy organized its economy and its state institutions.
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Multiple New Deal intellectuals and administrators openly described fascist Italy as a successful laboratory for modern governance.
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While they avoided the word fascism in public discourse, particularly after 1939 and Hitler invaded Poland, the Roosevelt administration continued even after the invasion of Poland to praise Mussolini's economic and administrative outcomes.
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We pretend, incidentally, that World War II ended fascism.
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But Francisco Franco continued to rule in Spain as a fascist well into the 1970s.
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There are also fascists that continue to rule in South America and what have you.
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Now, Democrats, they didn't like Franco's autocratic rule, but they openly admired the control he had over Spain's economy right up until he died in 1975.
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And this distinction matters now, by the way, what fascism actually is.
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This distinction matters now that generations of Americans who have no emotional connection to World War II have reached adulthood.
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Such people are not instinctively repulsed by the same labels we are.
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And if they study history, as some of them do, they can see the hypocrisy between using the word fascist as as a as a uh just as a bludgeon without any real clear definition, while admiring people that if you just read history books, they were clearly fascist regimes.
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And yet we we talk about Franco and we we talk about Mussolini, they can they can see I can what what FDR said about Mussolini.
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And Mussolini said positive things about about uh about Roosevelt.
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He basically said, no, he's he's one of us.
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So when young people, when young adults, I shouldn't say just people, and I shouldn't just say they're young, because they're adults at this point.
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When young adults see the word fascism used in ways that are clearly dishonest, they don't just question the application of the word, but also the historical judgments shown toward the people the term is used against.
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So when somebody says Hitler was a fascist, well, you and I'll be repulsed by that and say, well, fascism is terrible.
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Hitler must be terrible.
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And in his case, Nazi, which is even worse.
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But somebody like Nick Fuentes' age doesn't necessarily, you know, he doesn't have a grandfather who fought in the war.
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He didn't grow up hearing stories from people who actually experienced the war.
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To him, that's as far back as a civil war might be for you and me.
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So it's it's this historic thing that happened, but he doesn't have any emotional connection to it, and nor do most of his followers.
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So you throw these words out there like fascist, and and he doesn't, that doesn't have the same bite in the younger generations that it has in our generations, and those are our parents and grandparents.
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And what we have to understand is that when we teach our youth things that they can see are not true.
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We invite them to also reject things that are true.
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This is incredibly dangerous, not just with fascists, with anything.
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You go to our schools, we teach that boys can be girls, girls can be boys, all of these crazy things.
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When you teach people things that they know are not true, some of them are gonna say, well, I'll be a good person by believing it anyway, but some of them are gonna say, no, that's garbage.
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Not only don't I believe that, but I don't believe you.
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And if I don't believe you, then why should I believe anything that you teach me?
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Well, now you're not teaching them anything about morality, you're not teaching them anything about anything.
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And and they're learning entirely on their own.
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And they're learning entirely on their own without any adult guardrails, telling them what morality is, not only are we not teaching them what morality is is, but we're actually openly teaching in our schools that traditional morality is evil.
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So this is dangerous.
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Our education system is completely off the rails, teaching things that are not true to people that can see they're not true, and then we don't have the moral guardrails to tell them what they can and cannot do, what is right and wrong, and and so this is where we get a world where people say Hitler is cool and Stalin was a great guy.
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Because they don't know better.
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They don't have the moral guardrails reining them in, and they don't trust the adults that told them a load of crap.
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Incidentally, after World War II, fascism as a word fell out of party and or fell out of favor, and that's true in both parties.
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But as an economic system, it never fell out of favor.
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Only the word fell out of favor.
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The Democrats spun that word off his far right on the grounds that it came from Germany's right, which it did, but Otto von Bismarck created the German state as a socialist country, such that their right was socialist.
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Whether something is right or left depends on time and place.
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The Germany of the 1920s and 30s was not the same as America of the 1920s and 30s, and is not the same as America today.
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So what we would say was far right in Germany, we might say was far left in the United States, which is why we had FDR as a fascist and not, for example, Ronald Reagan.
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Ronald Reagan, not a fascist, FDR, fascist.
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So right and left, time and place, we have to remember that.
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You can't just say it's far right there, so it's far right everywhere.
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World doesn't work that way.
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Uh but suddenly we began teaching that libertarianism, you know, I've heard people the reason Rand Paul was tackled while he was mowing his lawn is because people believed that libertarianism is a gateway drug that leads to fascism.
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When in fact, libertarianism rejects all forms of totalitarianism, both in politics and in economics.
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Rand Paul, whether you like him or hate him, he is not a fascist.
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Let's just be clear on that.
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Hitler was not a libertarian, and the idea that he was not just wrong.
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It's absurd.
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Ask the six million Jews who were exterminated by Adolf Hitler whether or not he was a libertarian.
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He was not.
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He terrorized the Polish people, he terrorized his own people.
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The idea that libertarianism is a gateway drug to somebody being like Hitler.
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I'm sorry, but that is offensive and wrong, and we should reject that wherever we hear it.
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The fact of the matter is, without economic freedom, a person cannot decide where to work, what to buy, what to wear, what to eat, or anything else of any real significance.
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As such, any system that centrally plans the economy, by definition, also centrally plans the people and will become authoritarian by necessity, if not by design.
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They'll be forced to make it.
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If you have central planning, you will have an authoritarian state by necessity, if not by design.
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The current model, by the way, is far more threatened by freedom than by communism, tolerating the far left while working to make anything even moderately on the right look extreme.
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No, well, that's what they're threatened by.
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That's the reason they do that is because they're threatened by freedom.
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You know, like my father, we they blame the political right, particularly Donald Trump for everything that could ever go wrong, but that's an afflection.
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Many of the problems are actually caused by the political left.
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You look at the unrest in Minnesota.
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Is that caused by, is that caused by by ICE going in and trying to try to enact enforced laws that have been on the books for 72 years, or is that caused by four years of completely open borders and uh and in the case of Minneapolis, you've got what, 9.5 billion dollars of fraud?
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California's gonna be even higher than that.
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We've got a real problem here.
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So, yeah, a lot of the things that they're trying to blame Trump or every Republican or the political right in general for, that's deflection.
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I did not, by the way, just inherit my father's history books.
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I also inherited a framed copy of the unfinished portrait of FDR.
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His copy was officially licensed by the by the original artist, Elizabeth Schumatoff, I think is how you pronounce her last name.
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It was an officially licensed copy.
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It wasn't the original copy, but she then made copies that she sold, and it was one of those numbered whole nine yards.
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Um this painting was one of my father's prized possessions.
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Well, I had a young friend who was a history teacher, like my father was, and who also, like my father, is a fascist but doesn't know it, somebody who really, really had a high opinion of FDR.
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I'm not going to put a portrait of FDR.
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I'm sorry, I'm not putting a portrait of FDR in my house.
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I gave it to that young friend.
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Now let's talk about Giovanni Gentelli.
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Now he had I'm breaking fascism up largely into an economic system and a political system, then treating them separately.
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He did have a political portion of fascism, and that political portion recognized that socialism must occur within a state.
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Thus fascism is national rather than global in scope.
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Of course, in practice, so is communism.
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You show me a globalist communist system.
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Never happened.
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Every time it's been tried, it's been within a nation.
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So communism in practice, also nationalism.
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And nationalism isn't bad.
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If you're not a nationalist, you are a globalist.
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Nationalists believe that national interests, globalists believe that everything should be done at the global level.
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We should all be nationalists in that sense.
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Extreme nationalism, different thing.
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Uh, and fascism under Giovanni Gentili tended to lead toward the extreme.
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But it was national in scope, not global, because he believed that socialism must occur within a national with a nation state.
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He also recognized that central planning required a level of authoritarianism that is not compatible with democracy, and this is where the extreme nationalism comes in.
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Friedrich Hayek, by the way, made the same observation.
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Central planning is not compatible with democracy.
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This is the central point because that's why the nationalism becomes extreme.
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It's because democracy doesn't work.
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You need an autocratic authoritarian system for central.
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Planning to work.
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And Bernie Sanders, by the way, Alexandria Casier Cortez, Zoran Mamdami, and all these other democratic socialists, they show us how silly the concept of democratic socialism is whenever they run for office.
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They say tax the rich, they promise that they will ensure everyone who is not rich has free food, free health care, free housing, free bus rides, on and on and on.
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Well, if we took every penny, every billionaire in the country has, not just their incomes, but also their wealth, it would pay for Medicare for all for less than three months.
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Add in the millionaires, and uh you'll get another six months.
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After that, you'll have no billionaires and or millionaires left to pick up the tab, and you'll have no way to pay for Medicare for all.
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That is the economic reality of free.
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You get nine months for free, and after that it's no longer going to be free for those who are not millionaires or billionaires.
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Democratic socialists just ignore that fact.
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They also ignore that bankrupting the nation to get nine months of free health care will do nothing to feed or house anyone.
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I'm just talking about the cost of Medicare for all.
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Now, what democratic socialists will do is they'll point to countries that have free health care, and they'll say that's proof that free health care is possible.
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But they ignore that these countries do not just tax the rich.
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Democratic socialists ignore that according to, for example, the Institute on Taxation Economic Policies Research, the poorest American workers pay only about 7% of their income in total.
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That's combining taxes at the federal, state, and local level.
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It's every tax they pay.
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While the richest Americans, about the top 0.1%, pay about 46% on average.
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And in some states, they pay more than half.
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The middle class in America pays about 25% in taxes.
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Now, how do you get the state and local taxes?
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Well, I'm averaging those out across the nation.
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Obviously, those vary from place to place.
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So those numbers are based upon the average state and local taxation rates, plus the federal, which of course are everywhere.
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So that's what you get.
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7% for the poor, 25% for the middle class, 46% on the rich.
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And the Nordic countries, the poorest workers pay about 40% of their income in total, not 740.
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The middle class pays about 50, and the richest earners pay a little more than here, about 55%.
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So not only do Nordic workers pay more in taxes than do workers in the United States, but their incomes are lower as well.
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They have high minimum wages, but professional workers in the Nordic countries, like nurses and engineers, they earn roughly 30 to 70% less than Americans.
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It varies depending on the profession.
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And there is, by the way, zero appetite in the United States to tax the poor and middle classes at the rates it would take to pay for Medicare for all.
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That's where I'm going for this.
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And if you don't do so, you simply can't pay for it.
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So tax the rich, all this democratic socialist crap, it's a marketing ploy.
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And we already tax the rich.
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Giovanni Gentilli saw, as did Friedrich Hayek, that the populace would never vote for a viable central plan.
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Nobody wants to accept rational trade-offs.
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And so people vote for not the person offering the best set of trade-offs for a functional central plan, but some guy from Vermont with crazy hair promises more of everything.
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All paid for, of course, by someone else, under the slogan feel the burn.
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People do that, by the way, irrespective of whether or not the promises made are possible to deliver.
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It's almost like people don't care if they're possible.
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And then once the people are elected, once they they find they can't keep those promises, well, they also find that they're forced into authoritarianism to try to have any semblance of a functional plan, whether they want to be authoritarian or not.
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The European Union is a bureaucratic administrative state in which officials are not elected.
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People within the EU have the right to vote in national elections, but ask Marine Le Pen what happens when the EU doesn't want them.
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But there are no EU elections.
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The EU is not a democratic body, it does not govern like one.
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Whatever actual member states consider themselves, the EU is fascist.
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And if we look at how our government actually runs rather than at the window dressing we call elected officials, we'll see that other than our bill of rights, the saving grace we have had has protect us so far, we operate largely in the same way.
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And of course we do.
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Giovanni's Gentili's political model for fascism was created in support of the economic model, not the other way around.
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And any nation using the economic model of fascism will be forced to create the authoritarian that central planning requires.
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Whether that authoritarianism is done in the open as it is in the European Union, or surreptitiously through an administrative bureaucracy, like it is here.
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It's authoritarian either way.
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Fascists and communists hate one another not because they are opposites, but because fascists see communists as ideological fools whose hatred of profit blinds them from economic reality, whereas communists see fascists as ideological sellouts who put the desire for a functional model ahead of ideological purity.
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These are not dissimilar models.
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They're brother ideologies fighting over inheritance, which is why all the original fascists were originally Marxists.
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Both systems are collectivist, and both require authoritarianism to survive.
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Central plants must be enforced, and as such, any system that uses central planning requires authoritarianism to survive.
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That is the lesson my father failed to learn.
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And though it is too late for my father, there is still time for the rest of us.
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Fascism and socialism are both totalitarian in nature, and we should reject both.
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And just like that, ladies and gentlemen, we are out of time.
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But that's okay.
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I got through everything I wanted to cover.
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Hopefully now you understand what fascism actually is.
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You understand why democratic socialism is a myth.
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It's not possible to actually have socialism done democratically.
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And uh once you in once if you're going to implement the economic side of fascism, you're going to be forced to put in the political system too, because authoritarianism is a necessary component, a necessary component.
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Not we want it, you'll be forced to have it in order to try to make central planning work.
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It's as simple as that.
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