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The Sixth Seal | Billy Crone · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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  Speaker 1: The Week in Bible. Prophecy a Prophecy Watchers Podcast. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: everyone to Prophecy Watchers Podcast. I'm here with Billy Crohn.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome Billy, Hey, Mondo.
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  Speaker 1: Great to be back and we have a great topic
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  Speaker 1: for you today. We're going to be talking about the
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  Speaker 1: seals of God in the book Revelation, chapter six. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to be talking about the wrath of God. When
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  Speaker 1: the wrath of God begins? What is the wrath of God?
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk about all that as well the timing of
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  Speaker 1: all this because, as we know, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: different perspectives out there, even among Christian brothers and sisters,
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  Speaker 1: and that's fine, but we want to present to you
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  Speaker 1: what we think is the most consistent perspective in the scripture.
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  Speaker 1: But before we do, want to remind everybody Billy's going
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  Speaker 1: to be joining us in Orlando. Yeah, yeah, looking forward
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  Speaker 1: to it February twenty ninth, and if you haven't signed up,
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  Speaker 1: join us at the Orlando Prophecy Summit dot com. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to have eighteen speakers there. It's going to hopefully
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  Speaker 1: we're suffering, so hopefully little sunny the first part of March.
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  Speaker 1: But if you aren't able to make it, certainly join
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  Speaker 1: and you can see the live stream banner there and
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  Speaker 1: the messages. I mean, you billy, here we are, i mean,
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  Speaker 1: eighteen speakers getting together. There's gonna be a lot of
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  Speaker 1: interesting things. And as we know the the it's it's
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  Speaker 1: easy to have a message here, you know, a kind
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  Speaker 1: of a new message as it relates to a prophecy,
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  Speaker 1: because things are happening pretty fast.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, honestly, my biggest challenge personally in approaching these
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  Speaker 2: conferences is what not to speak on because obviously you can't.
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  Speaker 2: You're not it's not a one man show, and you get,
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  Speaker 2: you know, so many sessions and because there's so much
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  Speaker 2: going on, it's just how it's it's it's almost gut wrenching.
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  Speaker 2: As a speaker. It's like, oh, oh, you know, you
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  Speaker 2: wish you could speak eighteen times, but it's just not reality.
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  Speaker 2: But that's the times that we're living in, isn't it right.
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  Speaker 2: It's just the convergence. It's you know, you remember several years.
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  Speaker 2: You know, people would ask the usually Q and a's
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  Speaker 2: at conferences, they say, what, what's the big thing that's
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  Speaker 2: going to happen this year, or what's the big you
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  Speaker 2: know thing that's going on right now related like big thing?
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  Speaker 2: Can you narrow it down? You know, it's like, how
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  Speaker 2: about just this section, you know, maybe deal with the
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  Speaker 2: Jewish people, or with modern technology, or with the rise
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  Speaker 2: of wickedness or the market of the b system or
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  Speaker 2: all you could narrow it down because everything's happening all
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  Speaker 2: at the same time so fast, and even those that
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  Speaker 2: teach on it on a regular basis, it's hard to
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  Speaker 2: keep up. It's hard to keep up. I just I
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  Speaker 2: remember you did massivest study three years ago on AI,
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  Speaker 2: the deepest ever went down on that. I want to
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  Speaker 2: go back and do the whole thing all over again
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  Speaker 2: because it's so advanced. It's just everything is like that nowadays.
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  Speaker 2: So man's it's a challenge to what to pick you
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  Speaker 2: know well, and especially.
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  Speaker 1: You know, just like you said a few years ago,
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  Speaker 1: where you take something about artificial intelligence, which has been
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  Speaker 1: around you know, certainly for a while, but now now
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  Speaker 1: since then check gbts out, you know, open AI they're
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  Speaker 1: doing all their stuff. The rest of the military just
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  Speaker 1: got approved. I don't know if you saw that in
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  Speaker 1: the past few days where they get to use one
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  Speaker 1: of the restrictions about using the AI for military purposes
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  Speaker 1: by chat GPT open AI. They actually they rescinded that
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  Speaker 1: and and so now the military gets to use it
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  Speaker 1: for looking at other things. But how much has changed
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  Speaker 1: U in two years?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well exactly. And a lot of this stuff is
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  Speaker 2: going on behind the scenes. Unless you do your homework,
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  Speaker 2: most people are distracted. Unfortunately, this stuff is just marching forward.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you mentioned with the military, you know the
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  Speaker 2: AI for jump on that real quick. You know. Three
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  Speaker 2: years ago we came across a project called Project Maven
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  Speaker 2: and basically it was the Terminator movie scenario where Project
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  Speaker 2: Maven is AI is running and making the decisions for
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  Speaker 2: the military, and this is US. Other countries, all major
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  Speaker 2: countries are going down this route and converging AI to
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  Speaker 2: run their military systems. And so you're thinking, what is
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  Speaker 2: this the Terminator movie? It's exactly if you want to
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  Speaker 2: use a visual, that's exactly where all the militaries around
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  Speaker 2: the world are headed. And that's always the challenge, just
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  Speaker 2: like that movie premise gave it's a very dangerous thing
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  Speaker 2: to remove the human element in making military decisions, because
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  Speaker 2: what if this thing goes rogue and then there's a
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  Speaker 2: whole nother element that we brought out too. There's already
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  Speaker 2: mega signs, many signs that various types of AI systems
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  Speaker 2: have already gone rogue. And then what's really freaky is
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  Speaker 2: when you looked and let them just keep speaking and
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  Speaker 2: doing nonscripted talk, it usually comes out pretty freaky and
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  Speaker 2: anti humans. You know. It's just they're not very big
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  Speaker 2: fans of humans and we're the scourge on the earth,
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  Speaker 2: and it's just like what you know, and then you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna let these things take over and make the decision
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  Speaker 2: is crazy. It's not a good scenario. But I'm convinced
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  Speaker 2: that AI is part of the development of the Seven
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  Speaker 2: Year Tribulation. It allows the Antichrist and the false Prophet
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  Speaker 2: to do what never could be done before AI comes
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  Speaker 2: on the scene, because they're going to be controlling the
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  Speaker 2: global economic system, micromanaging the planet, not only with the
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  Speaker 2: Big Brother system, but also micromanaging every financial transaction on
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  Speaker 2: the whole planet. Well, we got the technology for that.
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  Speaker 2: We've had that for a while, but you can't hire
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  Speaker 2: enough humans for that back in system on a global basis,
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  Speaker 2: but AI can. That's the importance of AI.
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  Speaker 1: It's so true when we think about AI and we
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  Speaker 1: have this would be a good segue because you know,
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  Speaker 1: you have humanity and the sense of the b system
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  Speaker 1: and their efforts as it relates to the Tribulation period,
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  Speaker 1: this seven year period of God's judgment. But as we see,
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  Speaker 1: let's transition into the seals, because that's really where we
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  Speaker 1: want to go today is looking at the Seals. You
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  Speaker 1: have a book which is great, the Seals panoramic view
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  Speaker 1: of the first half of the seven Tribulation, and you have,
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  Speaker 1: of course the beast human system seeking its desire to
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  Speaker 1: rule and reign and whatever. But then you also have
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  Speaker 1: God coming in and bringing judgment on the world. During
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  Speaker 1: this period the rapture has happened, and the let's give
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  Speaker 1: a little background for the Seals and the book Revelation
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  Speaker 1: as it relates to chapters four and five. You have
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  Speaker 1: the throne room, you have the you have that the church,
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  Speaker 1: the Church chapter two and three, you have the twenty
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  Speaker 1: four elders. In chapter four, you have this throne room
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  Speaker 1: scene you have, you know, Jesus opening getting the scroll
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  Speaker 1: and getting ready to open the seals. And then we
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  Speaker 1: get to chapter six, verse one, and I'll just read
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  Speaker 1: this and then let's comment on it. Now. I watched
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  Speaker 1: when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals and
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  Speaker 1: I heard one of the four living creatures say with
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  Speaker 1: a voice like thunder come. And then before we get
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  Speaker 1: to the white horse, just here in verse one, why
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  Speaker 1: do you think on and what's important about the lamb
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  Speaker 1: being the one who opens the seven seals and then
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  Speaker 1: of course being involved with the living creature.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what's important is it's observing contextually what the scripture says.
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  Speaker 2: The Bible is the one that's supposed to tell us,
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  Speaker 2: speak out exa Jesus. What God intends for us to
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  Speaker 2: believe and understand is to Jesus. Is where people read
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  Speaker 2: into the text a preconceived idea. And then that's when
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  Speaker 2: I call it the game, the dance, whatever you want
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  Speaker 2: to call it. They just go start twisting scripture because
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  Speaker 2: they don't let the scripture speak out to them. They
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  Speaker 2: got something already inside their mind and then they go
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  Speaker 2: hunt for verses to try to support that. And the
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  Speaker 2: reason why the lamb that the importance is there, he says,
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  Speaker 2: And it's the Lamb opened this because there's people have
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  Speaker 2: a preconceived idea when it comes to revelation, including the
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  Speaker 2: rapture of the Church, that they have a preconceived idea
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  Speaker 2: that the Church has to be in this timeframe. The
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  Speaker 2: seven year tribulation. Could be the mid trippers that the
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  Speaker 2: Church is there all the way up to the midway
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  Speaker 2: point you got the pre wrap from our chronology time scale,
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  Speaker 2: that would be about three fourths of the seven year tribulation,
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  Speaker 2: or the post tribbers saying you're there the whole time.
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  Speaker 1: And so wait, let me and you have one other
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  Speaker 1: group which is claims that no, no, we're pre tribbers,
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  Speaker 1: but we start the tribulation after the sixth seal, So
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  Speaker 1: you add that one in there too, and so the
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  Speaker 1: church would that's consistent and they all those groups you
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  Speaker 1: just mentioned, is that the Church is here during the
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  Speaker 1: five seals. And I just had an email this morning
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  Speaker 1: a guy writing that he's discovered, you know, the truth,
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  Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, yeah, the Church is going to
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  Speaker 1: be here for the first five seals, and therefore you
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  Speaker 1: or me and others we're not preparing the church to
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  Speaker 1: be ready to experience these five seals. So and again
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  Speaker 1: these are brothers and sisters, but they'll be like, oh no, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: I believe in a seven year tribulation. I'm pre trib
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  Speaker 1: it just starts after the six seal, so you add
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  Speaker 1: that in there too. But again, they all have something
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  Speaker 1: consistent and that they're there. They're missing I think the
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  Speaker 1: incorporation of the importance of the lamb here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and again you can't, in my opinion, you cannot
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  Speaker 2: come to that conclusion that the church is anywhere in
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  Speaker 2: the seven year tribulation if you're observing what the scripture says.
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  Speaker 2: The only way you can do that is you're trying
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  Speaker 2: to force it into the text. But again you're not
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  Speaker 2: interpreting the scripture correctly. You're trying to read in something
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  Speaker 2: that's not there. But again, the really what again, I
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  Speaker 2: call it the dance They got to dance around the issue.
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  Speaker 2: They want to put the church into the sevenyar tribulation.
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  Speaker 2: But the Bible's very clear the seven year tribulation is
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  Speaker 2: the time when God pours out his wrath. But the
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  Speaker 2: Bible is also very clear when it comes to the
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  Speaker 2: church Roman Chapter five ver Sessaloni's one for Sessiloni's five.
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  Speaker 2: We are saved from we are not appointed unto and
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  Speaker 2: we are rescued from God's wrath through Jesus Christ. So
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  Speaker 2: there's your conundrum, right, So you come with this preconceived
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  Speaker 2: idea you want the church to be in there, but
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  Speaker 2: then you've got to figure out, well, how do I
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  Speaker 2: explain the wrath issue. Here's where the games begin. Here's
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  Speaker 2: with the twisting the scripture. Oh, that's not God's wrath,
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  Speaker 2: that's man's wrath or Satan's wrath. Back to your initial question,
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  Speaker 2: that's the importance of what's to say there at the
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  Speaker 2: very beginning, who's this coming from? And the man? Oh no?
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  Speaker 2: And Satan?
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  Speaker 1: Oh no?
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  Speaker 2: What's to say? And the lamb? And it says that
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  Speaker 2: they're the first four and then it continues on all
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  Speaker 2: the way to the seventh one, which opens up the
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  Speaker 2: trumpets and he and he still contextually the lamb and
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  Speaker 2: then even more contextually, what's the three most important words
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  Speaker 2: in real estate? Location? Location?
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  Speaker 1: Location?
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  Speaker 2: What's the three most important words in proper Biblical interpretation? Context? Context, context?
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  Speaker 2: Even before you get to that, you got to get
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  Speaker 2: the context what's the context? Four and five? Yep, Three,
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  Speaker 2: m's with the church right. Four is the throne room
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  Speaker 2: seen a heaven. Five it's the Lamb. He's the only
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  Speaker 2: one worthy to open up the scroll. What's the scroll?
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  Speaker 2: All the judgments that are coming out the seals, which
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  Speaker 2: then unlocks the trumpets, which then unlocks the bulls, and
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  Speaker 2: then the second coming, the return to Jesus Christ at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the seven year tribulation. So who's got it?
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  Speaker 2: And that's why he starts out, and he says, and
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  Speaker 2: it's the Lamb, He's the one. So it's you got
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  Speaker 2: to get in the context. The context is Jesus Christ says,
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  Speaker 2: the only one worthy to open these scrolls to issue
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  Speaker 2: out the judgment. He's the one that's opening them. He
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  Speaker 2: also uses angels that are work messengers of God, meaning
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  Speaker 2: messenger of God. They're not demons working for Satan. This
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  Speaker 2: is from God, and so can man command the angels.
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  Speaker 1: This is a living creature.
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  Speaker 2: This is from God. But again most of the context
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  Speaker 2: is coming from the Throne Room of God, from Jesus Christ,
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  Speaker 2: and it clearly says the Lamb. And then if you
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  Speaker 2: keep reading, by the time you get to the sixth seal.
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  Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden they go, hey, height is
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  Speaker 2: from the wrath of Satan. Height is from the wrath
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  Speaker 2: of man. They the irony is this these people who
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  Speaker 2: want to squeeze the church in the seven year tribulation,
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  Speaker 2: even the first half, right, the people in the seven
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  Speaker 2: year Tribulation at that time, even they admit, no, this
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  Speaker 2: is the wrath of thee.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it's you know, you bring up the
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  Speaker 1: wrath and I want to I want to talk about
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  Speaker 1: something really quick because theologically the idea of the wrath
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  Speaker 1: of God we have several theological ways. I'm gonna give
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  Speaker 1: some examples here. When we see Adam and Eve kicked
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  Speaker 1: out of the garden, you know, that's the personal wrath
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  Speaker 1: of God against disobedience, which we saw. The second wrath
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  Speaker 1: that you see in scripture is cataclysmic wrath in the flood,
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  Speaker 1: right the flood, or certainly any other major things. The
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  Speaker 1: third type of wrath we see in the Bible is
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  Speaker 1: in Glatians six seven. You know what you sow is
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  Speaker 1: what you reap. You know that that kind of wrath.
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  Speaker 1: The fourth type of wrath we see in Romans one,
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  Speaker 1: a wrath of abandonment, which is certainly what our country
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  Speaker 1: is experiencing. Now. The fifth type of wrath we see,
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  Speaker 1: as you mentioned for Cissilians five nine, is scatological wrath.
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  Speaker 1: This seven year tribulation period, which is the day of
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  Speaker 1: the Lord wrath, and the final wrath that we see
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  Speaker 1: in scripture is eternal wrath. Okay. So I mean we
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  Speaker 1: have the different descriptions that we have in scripture, but
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  Speaker 1: what we're talking about here, and we see in a
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  Speaker 1: Revelation six seventeen highth Us from the wrath of the
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  Speaker 1: lamb and the one that sits on the throne. So
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  Speaker 1: the word is used there, and we see this as
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  Speaker 1: scatological wrath during this coming. This isn't eternal wrath yet
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  Speaker 1: that's coming later. This isn't sewing and repeing, even though
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  Speaker 1: there might be some of that, but this is this
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  Speaker 1: specific time where God says, this is it. I'm wrapping up,
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  Speaker 1: you know, secular human history. And so we see this
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  Speaker 1: development where God's judgment is coming. So what I want
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  Speaker 1: to do here is there's a couple of things I
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  Speaker 1: want us to go through the seals at least one
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  Speaker 1: through six, and then as we kind of share what's
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  Speaker 1: happening in each of these and then I want to
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  Speaker 1: revisit at the end, is what have we just seen?
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  Speaker 1: Is this the wrath of God? The tribulation period the
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  Speaker 1: church again, because you have these people again, even pretribbers,
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  Speaker 1: so the different kind of pretribbers. I understand that the tribulation,
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  Speaker 1: this seven year period begins after. So let's all jump
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  Speaker 1: in and read it, and just your comments. This is
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  Speaker 1: verse two, well living, so I'll read verse one just
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  Speaker 1: certain now. I watched when the lamb opened one of
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  Speaker 1: the seven seals, and I heard one of the four
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  Speaker 1: living creatures say with a voice like thunder come. And
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  Speaker 1: I looked and behold a white horse, and its rider
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  Speaker 1: had a bow and a crown was given to him,
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  Speaker 1: and he came out conquering and to conquer. So basic chromeerneutics.
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  Speaker 1: We got a white horse, we got a rider with
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  Speaker 1: a bow, he's got a crown, he's conquering to conquer.
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  Speaker 1: What is this Jesus? Some people think this is Jesus.
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  Speaker 1: He's on a white horse. It must be Jesus, because
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  Speaker 1: Revelation nineteen it's there's a guy on a white horse,
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  Speaker 1: and that's Jesus.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, no, it can't be Jesus, because Jesus is
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  Speaker 2: up in heaven contextually opening the seals, and then all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden you're gonna say he's come to the earth.
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  Speaker 2: Then that would mess up the aspect of well, now
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  Speaker 2: we got a third coming.
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  Speaker 1: Well, like the living creature turned around and said to Jesus,
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  Speaker 1: Jesus had him open, and he turns on come Jesus.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Well, but also we have a second come, not
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  Speaker 2: a third coming. If you put him down now at
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  Speaker 2: this time, back on the Earth, then that message then
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  Speaker 2: at the end of seven year tribulation, we should call
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  Speaker 2: it the third Coming, not the second Coming, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And that's actually just as a side note, that's actually
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  Speaker 2: a false criticism with people preach of oh, you're trying
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  Speaker 2: to say that there's going to be another second No,
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  Speaker 2: the Rapture and the second Coming are two totally different events.
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  Speaker 2: We're not preaching another coming. And there in the study
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  Speaker 2: that we did on the Rapture, we brought at least
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  Speaker 2: twenty differences of the raptures second coming. But that's the
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  Speaker 2: game that's being played. So most people would say, and
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  Speaker 2: I would be one of those people, that this is again,
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  Speaker 2: what's the context. It's God's judgment. It's just this is
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  Speaker 2: the rise of the Antichrist, and even though most people
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  Speaker 2: believe that he does it, coming in, he's on a
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  Speaker 2: conquest to conquer the world. He wants to rule the world.
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  Speaker 2: He Satan's man. He's got his eye on the prize
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  Speaker 2: and this is the beginning of that. But most and
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  Speaker 2: it starts with a false peace right and then probably
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  Speaker 2: excited that there's no restraining influence left over, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Churchill's nasty Christ and now we can finally bring a
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  Speaker 2: man's version of utopias. That's really what it is, with
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  Speaker 2: the one world government of one world religion. Eventually it'll
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  Speaker 2: lead to all that in the market to be system.
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  Speaker 2: But he does it, you know, with a bow, but
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  Speaker 2: there's no arrows. People say, well, it's a peaceless coup,
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: you know, things that nature a crownd he's going to
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: be given authority. He's the man to bring this to
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: the planet. And people are related about it. But that
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: in and itself is an active judgment because you know,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: even though the planet has a and dare I would say,
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: based on the next one coming out of a global war,
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: it's going to break out. It doesn't last long But
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: my point is the antichrist rise of the Antichrist is
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: an act of God's judgment because basically, right now since
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: the birth of the Church Acts chapter two, as Peter explains,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: you know, people say, wellhy ain't God doing something about
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: all the evil and suffering. Well, he's he's got a
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: day appointed. Yeah, and it's gonna hammer's coming down. Man,
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: he's going to have the last word. You know, back
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: to Psalm chapter two. You better kiss the sun. Let's
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: be ay you because his rathking it's coming.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: It's undiluted.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: But the Bible says the reason why it's not. God
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: dislows people count slowness. He's not willing that any should perish,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: and so basically he's given people now at this time
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: his mercy is extended, except my son, as your savior,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: you can avoid what is to come. I'll save you,
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: rescue you. You want to be appointed unto wrath anymore,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: not only the seven year tribulation, but for all eternity
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: and hell, okay, I'll rescue from that. That's why it is.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: But when that time is over, when the church goes up,
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: and now his eyesight goes back on Israel because he's
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: not done with him, which is one of the purposes
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: of the seven year Tribulation, then the hammer is going
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: to come down, and it starts off with the rise
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: of Antichrist. So basically, okay, fine, you reap what you sew. Yep,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: you did not want my son, the one and only Messiah,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, and you instead rejected him of your own will,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: your own doing, and you wanted Satan's man, the anti Christ.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Here you go, here you go.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: And this in itself, even though it starts with a
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: false peace utopia, they may be elated on the planet. Hey, finally,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: you know, we can fix the world's problems. We've got
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: peace in the Middle East, and we can all come
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: together as humanity, you know, And all that blowning that
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: they keep promoting, that in itself is the first of
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: many of God's judgments that, as Jesus said Matthew twenty
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: four will be the worst time in the history of
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: man cad.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: It's almost what we see that, as we said earlier,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: that you know, the idea of the different types or
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: characteristics of the wrath of God, it's almost like all
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: these are rapt into one in many ways, because again,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: humanity has abandoned God, and so he's abandoning them to
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: his wrath. And I think about the foolishness of people,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: which again we were all fools at one time. I
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: understand that. But Satan and the Antichrist, they're promising utopia,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: they're promising do what thou wilt, you know, all this idea.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: But in reality, Satan wants to be worshiped, but he
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: wants to enslave you. It's not like he wants to
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: come ultimately give them riches. He comes to steel, kill
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: and destroy, and even if he has to use riches,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: he will in order to deceive and to ultimately destroy
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: them and get them you know, worship being the wrong thing.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: But this idea of the Antichrist being a hero and
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: wanting to help people, I mean, that's that's definitely not
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: it's a judgment of God because ultimately he's out to enslave.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Well enslave and dare I say, based on John chapter eight,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Jesus said, Satan's a liar and he's the father of blizes.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: He's also a murderer and he has been once from
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: the beginning. Satan hates mankind, he hates us or creating
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: the image of God, and we had an opportunity to
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: be redeemed, but not him and the angels. And you
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: made your choice, You're doomed, right, And so really a
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Satan's goal is he's using even the elites that are
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: working with to build this anti Christ kingdom. There, I say,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: back into the class schwob folks, the bill gates all
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: these people world economic form, all the politicians, as if
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: we should be surprised that they say one thing but
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: do another like antichrist politics. Two words, what's that mean,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Polly mean man? He takes bloodsucking creatures. I mean, how
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: many times we've been duped by these guys that on
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: the trail they say one thing, but then when they
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: get in office then the real colors come out. Same
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: thing with this guy. But Satan doesn't just want to
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: get people to reject God. That's certainly part of it.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: He's a murderer. He knows that what's going to happen
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: to people in the sevenar tribulation much of the planet
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: is going to be slaughter, and he dupes them into
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: walking into this timeframe and then he gets his quote.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Double goal is then if they die without Christ, then
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: they're going to be with him forever like a fire.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: That's to whom we have to deal with, as the
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: scripture says. And so but the other thing, too is
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: when people say, oh, this is man's wrath of Satan's
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: draft to me, you're giving glory in two places. You
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: should never give glory because this is one of the
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: encouraging messages. Even during the seven year tribulation. God is
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: the one that's in control. He's not just a dished
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: out the wrath.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: He's in control.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: And that means even though Satan is on a mission
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: to dupe as many people, to dupe them to join
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: him in the lake of fire and murders many people,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: he wants mankind to die, not just rebel against God.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: That's the part of the whole package. God is the
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: one that's in control. Satan is not a loose cannon
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: on deck. He only gets to do what God allows
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: him to do. God is the one who's going to
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: be writing the last chapter. God is the one who's
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: going to be having the last word, you know what
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. And so for people to give credit to
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: any of this time frame to man, let alone Satan
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: himself as if he's in charge or man's in charge.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: You're taking that away from God, and that's a serious charge.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I'm shocked at Again, how again people won't use this phraseology.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: This is man's wrath or Satan's wrath. And again, as
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: we skipping verse one, the lamb is clearly sovereign here.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: He's the one that is opening the seals and bringing
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: forth supernatural agency and again releasing these judgments. And and
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: again let's let's go to the I'll go to the
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: second one, verse three. When he opened the second seal,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I heard the second living creatures say come, and out
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: came another horse, bright red its writer was permitted keyword,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: to take peace from the earth, so that people should
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: slay one another. And he was given a great sword.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Now these aren't literal horses, right right, Okay, so these
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: are these are movements or they're they're characteristics of what
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: we see happening in the earth, where a judgment is given,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: something is released, and uh, he's permitted there. I think
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: that there's certainly satanic or demonic and to you know,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: effort here, but peace is removed. He's permitted to take
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: peace from marrors. Let's talk about what we talked about
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: this as a dinner at last night. But it's not
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: just world wars. I thought what you said last night
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: was pretty important. Kind of explain what this horse is
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: fully doing.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the horses, and we bring this out in
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: the sealed judgments. Horses. When you look in the scripture,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: horses were basically, to use a modern vernacular, the tank
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: of the day. They were a war machine. Horses. It's
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: bad enough you've got guys coming at you with swords
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: and spears and stuff, right, but when you got horses
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: come your way, just the fact that they're going at
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: full speed, it's like a tank. It just plows through anything.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: And so basically, why did God pick horses? Horses again,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: to use the phrase, were the war machine. And so
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: basically I see it. Also on top of everything else,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: God's basically letting you know, right out of the gates,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: he's going to war against humanity, and that here comes
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: another war horse. Here comes into the war horse, here
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: comes He's going to war or this is not? And again,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: who's in charge? God? Yep, right, he's the one. The
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: other aspect that came out when I was doing this
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: study was the picture that's used here when it says
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: to take peace from earth and make men slay each other.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: And we would say this is the war seal, right,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: and that those are a global war that's going to
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: break out, and I believe that is true. What really
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: is going on here in the text on top of
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: what we typically think, oh, there's a war, there's a
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: war going on in the Middle East, there's a war
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: going on over here with you know, this country over
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: in Africa and they're going at it with each other,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: or this. You know, there was World War One, there
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: was World War II. Yes, there's going to be wars
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: like that. But see what happens is we usually think
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: of Okay, it's war and we're going to get updates
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: on the news as we sit there eating or nachos.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: That's not what's going on here. When this they take
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: peace away, which again was the false piece. It's not
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: doesn't last, and it doesn't take long for the anti
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Christ to show as true colors. You got to do
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: just like modern day unfortunately polytics politicians today. And but
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: what it is is to make men slay each other
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: with a large sword. It's literally a murderous spirit breaks
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: out upon the whole planet. So it's not just to
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: give you a visual. The Greek is it's not just
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: global wars and armies are going to go out. Yes,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: it'll be that, but it's everywhere. So it puts in
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: you're like last night we were at the restaurant, and
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: actually I always a little members doing it, but I
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: wanted to give you the visual because I thought they're
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: going to come and tap me out.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Get out of here.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: But I picked up if you remember, I picked up
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: the knife and I said, ah, and they can't imagine
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: people in the restaurant all of a sudden just getting
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: irate and pick up the silver and they start stabbing
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: each other. Right, you go out into the street and
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: people are running over each other with cars or they're
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: shooting each other with guns.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: It's just less chaos.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Right, you go into a store and they're going at it.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: You can't hide from it. A family erupts and you'll
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: think it's that on top of the global wars, it's
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: men will slay each other. And if I also recall, right,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: the word that's use there for slave. I think it's
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: fod so in the Greek, and it means the slave
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: butcher up like an animal. It's a very descriptive term.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: And again, Mando, think about this.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: This.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: You know, people say, well, if the if the seals,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: if man's not in the seven year tribulation, then why
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: is God telling us? What do you mean, why is
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: he telling us this? Number One, When you realize how
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: horrible this timeframe is. If you're born and getting Christian
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: and you know that there's a way for people to
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: escape this I et through Jesus, it should turn you
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: into the biggest evangelists there ever was right, that's one
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: of the blessings of the seals, even though we're not
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: gonna be a part of that. We need to know
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: this because this is coming to the planet, and if
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: you have any ounce of love and compassion, you will
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: warn as many people as you can to flee day
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: and night from the coming wrath of the lamb that
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: is to come God is and that's the normal common sense.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: But when you come here this you're just in the
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: second Seal, the Second Sea. You're just getting started. You
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: got seven years of this stuff, and it's it's birth pain.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: It gets worse as you go like a child, the cursure,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: and this is over it. This is going to be
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: the characteristic of the whole age you're just getting started,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: but just getting started as what the whole world just
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: got dup, which was an act of God's judgment with
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: this anti Christ, lying politician, global leader. He promises everything,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: he's going to give you nothing and is going to
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: end up to the biggest slaughter nightmare, as Jesus said
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: in Matthew twenty four to thirty seven. And then right
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: out of the gates, here comes not just global wars.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: You think it's bad right now? What's on the news?
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: You ain't see nothing yet global wars, true global wars,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: no restraining influence, which we'll get into the other ones,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: which I believe you know talks about pestilence. I think
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: some of that pestilence could also be from militaries using
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: what they've restrained from using, biological war. If everything is
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: that nature of that'll add to that. But here, imagine
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: it isn't just you're watching on the news. It's everywhere.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: People are murdering each other. That's what's going on. That's
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: why we need to know this, even though we're not
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: going to be there. If we didn't have enough fuel
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: for the fire to be big evangelists right now, well,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: there's a time to escape this timeframe. This should fire.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Are you up? That's the whole point, you know.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: We think again what God is doing here, and Jesus
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: is totally sovereign the Lamb here sending this judgment. It
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: reminds me of Matthew twenty four thirty seven that like
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: the days of Noah right the days of the Son
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: of Man, we know that the days of the Sun
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: of Man include all of this pirit. These are the
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: days of the Lamb. And Genesis sixty five the whole
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: earth was filled with violence and wickedness, and we can
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: read about it there before the flood. Oh wow, look
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: at that, the whole earth was filled with violence. Well,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Jesus said Matthew twenty four, the love of many will
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: grow cold. So he's describing the situation here, which I
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: think not on in addition to the global scale, there's
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: going to be slaying and murdering and anger on a
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: interpersonal level, and that really is is so important for
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: people to realize that all what theologians will describe as
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: the common grace of God where he's restraining people about
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: in Genesis twenty where he restrained a Bimelech from being
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: with Sarah I restrained you. I withheld you from sinning
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: against me. I think God does that. He restrains things.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Things could be a lot worse, but he's finally going
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: to pull that back and be like, you know, I
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: was giving you guys this grace to keep order, and
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: now as a judgment, I'm going to remove this. And
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: there's going to be this again, slaying one another. Murderous
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: hearts and real murder in this situation. So third seal,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: when he opened the third seal, this is the Lamb.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: When the Lamb opened the third seal again a reminder
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: that he's in charge. I heard the third living creatures
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: say come, and I looked and behold a black horse
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: and its rider had a pair of scales in his hand.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: And I heard what seemed to be a voice in
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: the midst of the four living creatures saying, a court
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: of wheat for a denarius, and three courts of barley
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: for a denarius, and do not harm the oil and
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: the wine. It's interesting here too, that the a court
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: for a genarius. A denarius is a day's wage. So
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: let's say on average, it's you know, people make one
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty bucks a day. You know, whatever, twelve bucks,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: fourteen bucks an hour, whatever. But this is like I
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: calculated it out once versus how much it takes. It's
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: like a loaf of bread for a day's wag. So
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: you take a loaf of bread, which you know might
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: cost three bucks, is going to be one hundred and
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: twenty dollars during this period or whatever it is that
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: the inflation at the time. I mean, people can't survive
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: on that. And so so as a judgment, this third,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: this black rider, talk about it.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: It's crazy when you put this all together again. This
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: is in this seven year tribulation. They got duped by
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: this guy. So imagine going through the emotional roller coaster ride.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: You're because you all because you're rejected Christ, so you're
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: left behind. You're in this sevenyear tribulation. Here comes this
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: global leader. Dare I say, after all of a sudden,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: the disappearance of millions of people across the planet, probably
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: some other orchestrated events to create a as Claus Schwab
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: would say, poly crisis, mini crisis, and now the ashes
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: of that, here comes this global leader promised you to
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: the world, So you're elated. The next thing, you know,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: global murder erupts on a scale. People are just going
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: in a frenzy, slaying each other, butchering each other like animals.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: That's what the Greek says. And then all of a sudden,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: you're hungry. I guess what, ain't no food? This is
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: your global famine. So after that crazy murder is frenzy
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: incited by Satan's man anti Christ and the judgment of
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: God upon these people. They're hungry, and typically that's also
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: what follows war. When you look at wars, famine always
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: follows because the whole infrastructure is polluted. But what's interesting
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: here is again you're going like, well, wait a second,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: the context here is global, and so there's not only
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: a famine, but it's so bad that there appears to
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: be some sort of global food distribution program. Right, and
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: then it calls out, here's what you're going to get.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: You're gonna have to work, work a day, and you get,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: you know, basically a loaf of bread. Like you said,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: it's a quarter of wheat or three quarts of barley.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Was basically animal feed. You want some dog food instead,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: you'll get a little bit more, but you're gonna have
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: to eat basically dog food and that's what Barley was
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: back in the day. Typically, And but wait a second,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: if that's if we're getting close to that, then that
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: means we have to have some sort of global control rations,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: global supply chain, global institutions. Who could pull off this
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: global distribution. It's already here. All the world's food supply
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: is controlled by three entities right now. Right, so there's
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: already the ability to control the global food supply because
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: it's already being controlled. Most people don't get that, right.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: The second thing that's interesting here is when you study
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: also which we took the deep dive. Okay, what happens
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: after war, because this is what it is, is a
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: global war, murderous spirit. Famine always follows because you destroyed
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: a lot of the infrastructure, things that nature, and so
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: but it says a quarter weet for waste stages, three
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: quarts of bother for day's weight, don't damage the oil
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: and the wine, and most people would believe that that's
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: basically kind of your more of your luxury items, the
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: oil and the wine, not meaning oil like today, but
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: oil back in the biblical times was used for medicine, healing,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: all lights and things that nature, wine of course, and
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: things that nature, and so a lot of people would say, well,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: this basically is don't damage on the wine to use.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Just to give a synopsis, the rich get richer and
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: the poor get poor. That it's only the average Joe
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: and the poor people who are going to have to
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: subsist on working today's wages. The rich, the elite, they're
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: going to still have their oil in their wine. And
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: then and we did this. We study World War one,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: world War two, and after the effects of the battles
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: and things that went on, and one hundred percent of
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: the time this always happens. As crazy as it sounds,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: the rich are never affected by even the famine conditions
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: during wars. They always have access to the oil and
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: the wine they're in their literally one of them. It
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: was shown, it was a historic account. This was in Germany.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: People were coming out of this high end restaurant after
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: they finished a big fat steak meal, dressed with the
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: women all dressed to the nines with their jewels and
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: crusted and their mink coats and whatever. And they're literally
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: walking over people dying of starvation into their limousine, completely
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: callous to the suffering around them. This is the stuff
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: that goes on. This is the stuff that's going to
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: happen on a global scale.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: You know. You know, if you go back to same thing,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: you look at the great depression, you know, in the thirties,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: nineteen thirties. But also we can go back as recently
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: as as COVID, between let's say in twenty nineteen and
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. We know that the richest people during COVID,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: while people are losing their jobs or losing their businesses, whatever,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: they gained over a trillion dollars of wealth. And I
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: mean it's documented, whether it's Jeff Bezos or others. I
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: think about even Elon Musk. I'm doing a presentation here
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: soon on that where in twenty fifteen he was worth
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: like ten billion in twenty fifteen, and now here we
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: are nine years later, even five years later, he is
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: the richest man in the world at two hundred billion.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: So I mean, how fast has that happened? I mean
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: really fast?
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: In part of it, you look at the if you
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: don't mind me diving in on that part of it.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: What I believe is why the rich get richer during
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: times of horrible crisis like this is because by nature
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: of their position they always get the inside perspective.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: In a lot of times, who are the ones who
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: are inciting these wars and things that nature for ganetary purpose? Saying,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: so they've already before it even hits, they've already made
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: the preparations and whatever, they'll be just fine, go back
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: to I can't necessarily prove this per se, but I
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: think the reason why Elon Musk and others including Basos,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: and you look at Walmart was allowed to flourish during
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: that time as well, big corporation, corporate costswap, the world
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: economic form in all those guys. But you look at
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: also Elon Musk. Remember for years how people mocked him,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: laughed at him, scoffed at him for it coming out
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: with electric cars and whatever, and they said, you'll never
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: do it, it's just another flash in the pan whatever.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: But he persisted, didn't give up. And I can't prove this,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: but I think I know why he didn't give up,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: because he had inside information, because he worked with these guys.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: He got a massive subsidies, the massive subsidies.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: But he also knew Mondo, I believe what was coming.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: He knew that the world economic form, this whole Green
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Deal climate change. Biden's a puppet of the World Economic Form,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: that's why he was brought in and these things. But
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: he knew what was coming was they're going to push
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: us towards electric vehicles, which controls our transportation, limits our
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: transportation as part of the fifteen City's aspect that they
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: want to bring in. And so if you knew that
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: ten years in advance before it hit, what would you do,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: even from a secular in esment, you dump everything into it,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: and just as much as people live because you knew
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: on the back end, you knew what was coming. Well,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: this is so that's why I believe that why he
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: did that is and put up with all this coffing
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: because he knew he was going to be at the
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: top of the pile.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: So nobody else was.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: There, but he was early on because he had I believe,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: inside information. So but the same thing with these guys.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: They're going to have inside information, right, but they're they're
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: they're going to be just fine. And so as as
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: macabas that is. But again it brings out the wickedness
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: of man's heart. Right here you are in the midst
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: of horrible suffering and what's the premise of the ANTICHRISTAI say,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: humanity will rise again. Humanity, you know, the self improvement.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Humanity is great. We don't need God. Man will rise
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: to the occasion. Haven't you watched all those Hollywood movies.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: We always right and then it doesn't take long you
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: show it. No humanity is corrupt, No humanity is doomed.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: No humanity deserves to go to hell. Right Uh. And
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: that's why God sent his son Jesus Christ to save us.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Because this is the heart of man. It is because
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: of sin, and it comes out here very quickly.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: And we talked about as well that when you think
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: about this murderous mentality interpersonal and on a global scale.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Because of that, you know that third horse that after
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: the rapture, there's gonna be a lot of real estate
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: and homes that are gonna be abandoned because obviously we're
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: in heaven. And and I think about people coming to
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: a person's house or a Christian who's been raptured. They
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: walk in and maybe they see they see, you know,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: some some tools, they see food and everything is gonna
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: be Imagine that you're you're hungry and you're going around
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, people are gonna realize there are
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: houses to be to be occupied that have been abandoned.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: They're gonna walk in there, they're gonna see food, They're
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: probably gonna be see some guns and there all of
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: a sudden, they're gonna start marking their territory and they're
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: gonna go in. They're gonna grab the guns. They're gonna
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: go out to the front door and say I have
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: this one. You come in here, I'm gonna take you out.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: And it's not gonna be Hey, everybody, I found some food,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: let's share. I mean, when you're in a survival of mentality,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: you know whether it's for you or your family. Here again,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: we see a loaf of bread for all day's wage.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: That that's horrible and it's going to lead to to
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: this is we jump into the Fourth Seal, verse chapter six,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: verse seven. When you open the four Seal, I heard
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: the voice of the fourth living creatures say come, And
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: I looked and behold a pale horse, and its rider's
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: name was Death, and Hades followed him. And they were
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: given authority. They're gonna phrase that they were given authority
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: by the sovereign lord over a fourth of the earth
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: and by the wild beasts of the earth.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So now you get the summation of what
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: you're experiencing so far, still early on, still in the
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: first half, and you got a long ways to go.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: A fourth, you got one fourth. Yeah, So basically, yeah,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: roughly today you get about two billion people, not two million.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Two billion people are going to be dead at this point,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: and in four different ways. The sword, of course, the
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: murder of spirit, the global wars. What's going to happen
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: after that falls famine. Also, what happens after wars is plague, pestilence.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: That's another thing. Disease goes rampant after wars. And dare
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: I say during the wars? I think because now us
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: the church, the restraining influence has been removed, we're going
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: to see in my opinion, global entities military use weaponry
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: that they've got stockpiles, include the us IE biological weaponry
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: that could add to that.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: So well, we know already that the elite World Economic
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Forum and they say this that they need less people,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: they want less people, and just you know recently right
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: now in Davos, they're talking about disease X and so
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: they play these things out and so they would love
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: to of course they're going to be spared, right, they're
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: not taking any of the medical things.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Well again you think of like, how can these people
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: do this? Why would they go along with the program
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: that they know and that two billion people are going
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: to die? Because these people are Satanic and they're mass
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: murderers working for Satan. But they've also bought into the
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: lie of depopulation in order to build this utopia that
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: the anti crisis is promising. They believe that we have
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: to depopulate the plant there's too many people. So they're
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: probably elated at this point that one fourth of the
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: earth man. Okay, now we're finally getting there. And you
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: go back to the pestilence issue. What's the latest thing?
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: You know, it's it's it's freaky. This is these guys
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: are always tampering with bugs and viruses and things and
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: making them worse in laboratories. But what's the latest one?
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Another lab also again in China? Just what tweaked once
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: again the COVID virus and now it's one hundred percent
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: lethal yep, yep. And you don't think any of that
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: technology is going to come into play here, you're fooling yourself.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: But again, those guys will be fine.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the elite will be protected. That's their problems.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: I think they're going to be even gleeful at this point,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: as sick as this is, because that's part of their agenda.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it absolutely is. I mean, so again, these are
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: for those that have rebelled against God, have not received
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: the Lord Jesus in his mercy and grace for salvation.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: God's like, okay, well, because of your rebellion, I'm bringing
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: judgment in the world. Because again, the goal in all
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: this is to judge the wickedness of humanity and the rebellion,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: but also to bring Jesus back to bring righteousness in
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: for the right kingdom. When we opened chapter six, verse nine,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: when he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: altar the souls of those who had been slain for
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: the word of God and for the witness that they
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: had borne. They cried out with a loud voice, Oh, Sovereign, Lord,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Holy and True, how long before you will judge and
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: They were each given a white robe and told to
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: rest a little longer until the number of their fellow
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: servants and their brothers should be complete who were to
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: be killed, who were to be killed as they themselves
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: had been. So now we're introduced to these martyrs who
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: have been We see right here in the beginning that
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: there's going to be people who are saved after the rapture,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: but are are going to be persecuted by this new
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: system and not just persecuted but killed and martyred.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah again, you were, you know, pe, Well there's the church. No,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: these are the tribulation saints. These are people that Okay,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: praise God, they got saved afterwards, but basically you're going
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: to die. Most people are going to die. Jesus also
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: talks about this in Matthew twenty four that the whole
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: world's going to hate you because of me at this
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: time frame, and they're gonna, you know, not just betray you,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: they're going to turn you in and things that nature
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: during this timeframe. And people say, well, it's got to
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: be the church you know, talks about you know, and
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: this is one of the things that they dance. They
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: want the church to be in the Saints. We'll see,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: that's saints got to be the Church, no, because context
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: determines the meaning. If I were say hey, Mondo, and
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: this is definitely true today it's cool outside. Yeah right,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: see well I said, hey, man, look at that shirt.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: That's pretty cool, quite as cool as as Jack, and
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: I'll give you to you, right, or say hey, what's
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: something we just had a great time last night. You've
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: been kind your attitude. Torture is kind of cool. What
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: it's exact, same word, exact, same meaning. But what determined
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: the proper meeting the context which is placed in. So
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: just because you see the word Saints in the sevenyear Tribulation,
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: that doesn't mean it's the Church Aide Saints. And it's
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: not the Church Aide Saints. We know it can't be
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: because of the wrath issue from the very beginning. So
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: who are these people? These are people that get saved
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: after the seven year Tribulation. We know they can get
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: saved because the Bible says that you got the Gospel
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: still going forth with one hundred and forty four thousand
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: male Jewish witnesses. You got the two witnesses, and then
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: you got the Angel Angel declaring the eternal Gospel. So
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: we know that it can happen. The sad thing is
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: if you would gotten saved today, you could avoid this
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: whole thing. But the and and then so so basically
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: these are the people that got saved during that timeframe.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: And but basically they're going to be slaughtered for But
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: one of the good things that comes out of this
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: is it tells you right here it says, as your
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: fellow servants or brothers who were to be killed is completed.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: What does that tell you God is in control?
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: God is then the one who is the author and
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: finished life. He is the one that's controlled even through
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: all this mess. He's in control. But again, the message
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: that we need to tell people is listen, you don't
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: want to be a tribulation saint. Right the Bible talks
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: about four different saints. Again, context context, context. Just because
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: a saint doesn't mean it's church a's saint. There's read
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: the scripture, there's an Old Testament saint, there's a New
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Testament saint the church, there's the tribulation saints that people
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: that get saved here, and then there's actually a millennial saint.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: So just because you see that word doesn't mean so
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: these are the people that get saved in this seven
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: your tribulation. But the point, well, if there's not, what
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: do we need to again, same thing. You don't want
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: to be in this sign frame. We're just in the
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: first half. We don't need to discuss the whole first
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: half Yeteah, exactly, it's just getting started. And then praise God.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: These people get saved, they turn to God, but they're
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: going to be slaughtered like flies. Why would you be
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: there if you knew there was a way to escape
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: at all? Ie get saved today. That's the whole point.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: But again, that's the message that we have here with
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: basically what people call the martyr seal.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we see this continuing in the second half
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: in Revelation thirteen seven, that when the Antichrist comes to
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: full power. We know that he arrives. I think he
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: arrives certainly in the beginning, but he comes to full
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: authority after his resurrection so to speak, in Revelation thirteen
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: and then he immediately goes after the Jews, and then
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: he goes after the Saints in Revelation thirteen seven. He's
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: given power over them to destroy them. And certainly there's
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: going to be some believers when we get to the end.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: But we see this in Daniel as well, the Book
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: of Daniel. The saints were given into the hands of
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: the Antichrist for that reason. But again this is not
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: the Church, because as we've been describing over and over,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: as you referenced in the beginning, we're rescued for Sissilians
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: five to nine, we're delivered from the wrath to come.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: We're not appointed a wrath. This is this s catalogical
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: wrath that we're not here. Let's jump into verse twelve.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: When you open the six I looked, and behold, there
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: The full moon became like blood, and the stars of
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. The
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: and every mountain island was removed from its place. Then
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: the kings of the earth, and the great ones, and
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: the generals, and the rich and the powerful, and everyone
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: slave and free hid themselves in the caves and among
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: the rocks of the mountains, calling to the mountains, and
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: the rocks fall on us and hide us from the
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: face of him who was seated on the throne, and
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: from the wrath of the lamb, for the great day
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: of their wrath has come, and who can stand. A
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: couple things here right at the beginning, because people, some
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: people see this as the end of the tribulation, because
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: it's talking about every mountain island is removed. There's no
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: doubt here if you look, you go from verse fourteen,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: every mountain was removed from its place. But yet in
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: the next verse it's talking about them hiding in the mountains.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: So clearly this is this is a sense of apocalyptic hyperbole.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: It's true that you have major things happening, but clearly
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: it's again not every mountain can be removed if if
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: the same second second seven their ding in there right.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Exactly, And I agree with you the really what's going
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: on there not only connection will we know they're still
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: there because they're going to hide into very shortly. But
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: a lot of people say, okay, well, it's it's it's
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: you know, great earthquake. And and by the way, what's
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: going on here too is in the in the context
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: in the Greek it's it's literally God first he shakes
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: the universe, which then of course shakes the earth, right,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: and then it causes these these events that are described here.
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  Speaker 2: But in what it talks about is, of course the
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: the mountains and island were removed from their place, okay.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: But later at the end of the seven year Tribulation,
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  Speaker 2: the Bold Judgments, it says, you can't find them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so here's just a shaking.
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  Speaker 2: Right yep, and over there you thought that was bad,
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  Speaker 2: wait till you can't even find them, right. But that's
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  Speaker 2: the point. Oh and by the way, I like to
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  Speaker 2: bring this point out again. People say, oh, it's a
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  Speaker 2: wrath of man, wrath of Satan. Okay, let me see.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have the power to shake the universe man Satan?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And the stars asteroids? Can you command the asteroids? Can
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  Speaker 2: Satan do that?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 2: This is again, How could you sit there and attribute
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  Speaker 2: this to the wrath of Man or Satan contextually is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: You're violating scripture. You are supposed to as a Christian
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  Speaker 2: allow the scripture to speak to you. This is what
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  Speaker 2: God is saying. Not you going, I just want the
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  Speaker 2: church to be in there. One guy, I love what
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: he says is you know, it's just They're just want
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: to be tribulations. He's just wanted the church to be
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: in there.
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  Speaker 1: They want to show their value, their commitment to the Lord. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and uh and so.
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  Speaker 2: But basically, and then on top of that, it clearly says,
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  Speaker 2: and this is the irony people say, no, this is
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: not the wrath of God in this time frame, in
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: the semi tribulation the seals. When the people at that
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  Speaker 2: time frame in the Seals admit it's the wrath of
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  Speaker 2: the lamp. Yeah, So it's like, how do you get
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  Speaker 2: around that is beyond me. It's like, it's let the
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: scripture speaks for itself. That's how it's supposed to be.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: But you're not. You're coming in with the preconceived idea
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  Speaker 2: you want the church to be there, you want this
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: to happen, and you start cherry picking. And I don't
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  Speaker 2: recommend that as a means of expository of the scriptures.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting too that I think that when
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: you see here the wrath of one has come. The
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: Greek word elfin here is very specific because it's also
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: connected to the root of the word come for the
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  Speaker 1: four living creatures. And so again, when I was looking
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: at this it was like John uses a different word
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  Speaker 1: for come other times in the book Revelation, but here
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  Speaker 1: he's saying specifically, the wrath of the Lamb has come,
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  Speaker 1: and you go, well, what does that mean. Well, it's
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: interesting that the four living creatures are using that word
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  Speaker 1: to tell the writers come. So clearly the wrath that
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  Speaker 1: has already come is connected with those writers linguistically. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's it's sad to me that so many
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  Speaker 1: people will miss that. And you go, no, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: linguistically connected. And John is not using this haphazardly in
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: the same section. In this within verses of each other.
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  Speaker 1: He's showing us that he uses this very specific Greek
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  Speaker 1: word to connect them, and later he uses a different
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  Speaker 1: one to show some disassociation. What would be some other
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: things here that would help us to see that when
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Jesus the Lamb opens the first seal, that this would
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  Speaker 1: be included in the seven year Tribulation, because again, maybe
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: share your thoughts. Some people say, don't know again, I
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: believe in a pre trib I believe in a preacher rapture.
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  Speaker 1: But the seven year Tribulation begins after the sixth seal.
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  Speaker 1: What are some other things that you could say that
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: would say that's not accurate.
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  Speaker 2: Well, back to that in the wrath of the Lamb
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  Speaker 2: has come. You know, it's past sense, it's it's it's
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  Speaker 2: been going on, been going on from the first seal
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  Speaker 2: from the Lamb unleashing the wrath that is coming on
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  Speaker 2: the planet. It's just they finally acknowledged it. That's what
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: the Texas saying. The Texas didn't start right then, it's
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: just they finally acknowledged it.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Or oh my gosh, the whole two billion people are dead.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: But oh no, right, starting from this point forward, did
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: they get a revelation? I mean, these aren't these aren't
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: profits that's to say from now on? Oh no, I
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: just heard that the wrath is starting tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: But but again you've even put it in a common sense.
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  Speaker 2: The context here, it's easy to write off, Oh, we
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  Speaker 2: got duped by this political guy and things aren't going
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: so well, even though it started off with a piece
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: and he promises peace. Oh no, a global war. Look
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: at how horrible you know, man's used to wars, famine,
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: Man's used to famines. Right, you go over here in
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: the next one, Oh wow, people are dying that's horrible.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: You know what, They're used to this kind of stuff.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: They unfortunately used to murdering people who follow God. Right,
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  Speaker 2: But then when you get to the six Seal, what
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: are the events going on? These are outside the scope
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: of man. The universe is shaken asteroids, and so that's
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: the wake up call. The first part would be easy
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: to rationalize, Oh, no, mankind's having a bad time. Man's
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: making bad decisions. But by the time you get to these,
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: God's really saying, no, I'm the one in charge here.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: I've been doing this from the g I've been opening
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: the seals, but now I'm given. They finally get it. Oh,
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: this isn't just man having a bad day. You're making
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: bad decisions. This is the wrath of the Lamp. And
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: they have to come to that conclusion because these are
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: outside the scope of man. Man cannot produce these events,
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: but God can.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And even even though we see the war happening
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: or other things we know from Isaiah chapter ten and
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: other pastors the Book of that God uses human elements
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  Speaker 1: to exercise his wrath, but he's still in charge. He
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: used Babylon, the Babylonians to judge his people, and.
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  Speaker 2: By the way I own to interject on that, because
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  Speaker 2: oh that's not fair, Guy's no keep reading. God used
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  Speaker 2: the Babylonians to punish the israel lives when they got
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: out of control. But when the Babylonians got out of control,
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: what God do? He punished them, He turned around. God
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: is consistent through and through yep.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: And so I think the other thing, which I think
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: is kind of a nail in the coffin idea, that is,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: we're told in Luke seventeen and Matthew twenty four for
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Cesonians five that the wrath of God, the seven year Tribulation,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: if you want to say that the component of the
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: day of the Lord, when it arrives, it's going to
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: arrive on a unsuspecting, unaware group of people that are
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: marrying and giving him marriage, and they're living life, and
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: they're building, they're planting Luke seventeen. If the tribulation, the
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: wrath of God arrives after the sixth Seal, it seems
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  Speaker 1: to be very very inconsistent with these people live in
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: life normally. I mean again, are you planning a wedding
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  Speaker 1: when you need your entire day's wages to buy a
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: loaf of bread. I mean people are dying. Two billion
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: people are dead. None of this is normal, casual, unsuspecting,
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: normal living, relatively normal living. When the wrath of God lands,
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: it begins in chapter six, verse one, and then brings
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: with it. But if you come to this after the
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: sixth seal, no one is like, oh well, you know,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: I just as casual we were. You know, we were
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: sitting about relaxing, and now they're at the lambs.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: You're going to work, you know, no big deal, looking
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: at the stock market and hope my four oh one
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: k is doing okay, and of watching you know, who's
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: going to win the Super Bowl. None of that's going
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: on during this timeframe. And so I'd agree with you.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: That's a proof text. Also in the same text of You,
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: Jesus equates that timeframe with the days of Noah and
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: the days of life Noah. You look at that judgment.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: When did it happen? Not until what? Not until known
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: his family got in the arc yep, okay, and then
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: people you know where you want to read too much
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: into this or what. But then it was seven days later,
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: which seven just happens to be the seven year tribulation, right,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: but it right when God had them in safety very
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: shortly after that. Bang, here comes the judgment judgment even closer,
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: specifically the days of Lot, which is the second thing
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: that Jesus said as the days of No and the
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: days of Lot. It said what the wrap did not
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: come down until what? Until a Lot and his family
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: were left to save it, but immediately immediately after that.
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  Speaker 2: So that's to me, is some of your big clues
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: that it isn't going to be a long time frame.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: It certainly isn't going to be into the sealed judgments
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: after the raps of the church. It's going to be
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: probably a very short period. And to me, that's just
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: common sense because you got the disappearance of millions of
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: people who wouldn't capitalize on that, and dare I say,
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: purposely throwing a bunch of other things at the same
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: time as clous now describes poly crisis, many crisis all
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: the same time, So imagine the disappearance of millions of
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: people Christians at the same time. They truly allow the
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: global e comedy to crash. They drop a couple of
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: dirty nukes, they trigger a couple of earthquakes around the area.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: World War three officially breaks out in the Middle East.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: What would people do. They would cry out for what
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: they've been duped to cry out for, of mister fix it,
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: the anti crisis, and out of the ashes that dang,
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: here comes your sevenyear tribulation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, well, Billy, appreciate your time if you want to,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: if you guys want to learn more about this. He's
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: written a pretty substantial book on this, called The Seals,
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: and you can certainly get that through prophecy watchers. But
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the day, what we're
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: saying here too is we want to warn people that
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: this isn't again, this isn't Mayberry here. There's a tremendous
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: thing happened the first These are just the first six
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: seals we could have, and we could do a whole
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: thing on the rest of it. This is not a
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: time that people want to be around, and the goal
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: is to receive the Lord Jesus today, don't wait. That's
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: why we're here. We want to warn people because again
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: we know that we will be rescued. Luke seventeen, we
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: will be rescued like Lot and his two daughters before
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: the judgment came on that very same day. It's amazing,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: well and if you're born again Christian, Praise God, you're said,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: but get off the couch and get more concerned about
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: eternity than the economy or the football game or whatever,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: and start sharing the gospel.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the point for us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Amen. This has been the weak of Bible prophecy
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Prophecy Watchers podcast, So thank you for listening and we'll
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  Speaker 1: catch you next time.