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Normally Podcast: Our Thoughts About Election Day 2024 · Normally

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  Speaker 1: Hey guys, I'm back about an hour of sleep. Normally
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  Speaker 1: the show with normalist takes for when the news gets weird.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Mary Catherine Ham.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm Carol Markowitz. Good morning, Mary Catherine. How are you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm good. You know, it was a big night. I
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  Speaker 1: was up till three point thirty on air Fox Broadcast,
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  Speaker 1: and then I slept for an hour and a half.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, you looked amazing on air. Green is very much
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  Speaker 2: your color. I think green and pink are your two colors.
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  Speaker 1: Are I'm going to keep it in mind. I liked it.
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  Speaker 1: I've gone full blazer. Now I'm like a real grown up.
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  Speaker 2: So we are here the morning after the election. It's
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  Speaker 2: actually afternoon. You don't know how to tell time anymore.
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  Speaker 2: It was quite a night. It was quite a night.
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  Speaker 2: Did it go the way you thought it was going
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  Speaker 2: to go?
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  Speaker 1: So two things. I predicted that Trump would win. I
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  Speaker 1: thought every data point is pointing toward him being on
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  Speaker 1: bed better footing than he was in twenty twenty, and
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  Speaker 1: in some cases better footing than twenty sixteen. And then
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  Speaker 1: I prayed for a decisive win. But that was not databased.
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  Speaker 1: I just was like, I think that would be good
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  Speaker 1: for the country.
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  Speaker 2: That would be good for the country.
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  Speaker 1: Ye, And it turns out we got both of those things,
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  Speaker 1: because now we have a decisive electoral college win for Trump.
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  Speaker 1: And is it official that there will be likely the
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  Speaker 1: popular vote as well. I don't know it will be
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  Speaker 1: official for a long time because California has to count
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  Speaker 1: ballots for like eighteen weeks or something. But I do
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  Speaker 1: think that is good for public trust. It is good
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  Speaker 1: for all of us to avoid having a big constitutional
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  Speaker 1: crisis and shit about the outcome of the election. And
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  Speaker 1: I was surprised by how so many things moved read
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  Speaker 1: thanks to Donald Trump at the top of the ticket,
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  Speaker 1: including up to now fifty three Senate seats, like possibly
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  Speaker 1: more by tomorrow because it's going to take a little while.
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  Speaker 1: In Pennsylvania, where Dave McCormick has a lead.
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  Speaker 2: Shocking that one I only learned right before going on air.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, I hadn't realized that he was a possibility.
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  Speaker 1: That's amazing. He ran an extremely good campaign against an
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  Speaker 1: incumbent who's just been a wet dish rag for a
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  Speaker 1: long time. And then in Nevada, it's also possible that
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  Speaker 1: Sam Brown could prevail there. I think I think Wisconsin
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  Speaker 1: and Michigan are less likely. But these are results that
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  Speaker 1: are very sunny for Republicans.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, like you said, decisive. But it's a
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  Speaker 2: little afternoon on the day after election, and Kamala Harris
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  Speaker 2: has not conceded.
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  Speaker 1: Is this.
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  Speaker 2: Are we going to have a media handwringing about how
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  Speaker 2: she destroyed our process and nobody can trust anything anymore
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  Speaker 2: because of her?
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  Speaker 1: We will, we will not. I don't think there's anything
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  Speaker 1: really a foot here. I think they're just getting it together.
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  Speaker 1: That's close.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's just that close.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, if it were me, i'd do it in the
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  Speaker 1: morning because I'd wanted to get it over with.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, maybe then right, like just yes, super.
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  Speaker 1: Late news cycle, let me just jump in at three
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  Speaker 1: in the morning. I might do that. I don't like
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  Speaker 1: the thing where anyone leaves their supporters hanging at a
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  Speaker 1: party like that without without like giving them a little something.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't love that. Uh, we should, I should
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  Speaker 1: be clear. I must say that Trump can't really complain
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  Speaker 1: about the time she concedes.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, all true, Yes, but again, they've they've been like,
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  Speaker 2: we are the party that.
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  Speaker 1: Concedes when we lose an.
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  Speaker 2: Election, and we would never do what he's done. You know,
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  Speaker 2: well there they have done similar things. You know, Hillary
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  Speaker 2: Clinton called his election, uh, you know, basically unfair and
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  Speaker 2: and he was illegitimate for law long time. So they
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  Speaker 2: have and this again is a little bit of a towel.
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  Speaker 2: We heard before we went on that she'll be speaking
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  Speaker 2: tonight at six pm. But that's quite a long time
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  Speaker 2: after a decisive victory.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just call and get it over, Lea, do it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just move on.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I actually think this is sort of tapping
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  Speaker 1: into something that I think is a theme of this election,
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  Speaker 1: which is that I think this was a you're full
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  Speaker 1: of it electorate. This was a very loud rebuff to
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  Speaker 1: the left and two media elites saying, I don't believe
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  Speaker 1: what you're telling me. I can see with my eyes
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  Speaker 1: that it's not true on any number of issues, and
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  Speaker 1: yet you continue to lecture me. And I just think
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  Speaker 1: that whole dynamic, through COVID, through inflation, where everyone's concerned
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  Speaker 1: about gender issues in schools, when you're told that this
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  Speaker 1: is nothing you should worry about and that you're the extremist,
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  Speaker 1: people are annoyed. You're really annoyed.
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  Speaker 2: Right. One of my friends said that this was revenge
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  Speaker 2: of the normies, which I think goes very well with
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  Speaker 2: our podcast. I do think it was the revenge of
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  Speaker 2: the normies. So many people in my life who either
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  Speaker 2: were Democrats or Independents but like really didn't vote Republican
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  Speaker 2: that often voted for Donald Trump, and they did it
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  Speaker 2: for a variety of reasons. We'll get into the Jewish
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  Speaker 2: vote in a bit, but I see that as they
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  Speaker 2: kind of drew a line in the sand and they
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  Speaker 2: said no more of these last few years, no more
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  Speaker 2: of this insanity. And we mentioned this on the last episode,
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  Speaker 2: but Hispanic people really took offense to being called LATINX
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  Speaker 2: for example. That kind of thing moved them towards Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's a million little LATINX stories in a
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  Speaker 2: million different ways that are not getting told and not
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  Speaker 2: getting surveyed, but that they exist and people are like,
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  Speaker 2: no more of this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I hope that it is. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: want to be careful about reading my own preferences onto
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  Speaker 1: this electorate. However, it does seem like this was a
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  Speaker 1: rebuke to some identity politics that it turns out Latino
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  Speaker 1: voters don't want to be told that they love illegal
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  Speaker 1: immigration and that a joke about Puerto Rico is going
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  Speaker 1: to change their vote. Yeah, Suburban women don't want to
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  Speaker 1: be told all you care about is abortion and Liz Cheney.
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  Speaker 1: They're like, I feel like I have other concerns. Black
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  Speaker 1: voters don't want to be taken for granted and then
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  Speaker 1: told their ingrades by Saint Barack Obama of Martha's Vineyard.
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  Speaker 1: They don't like it. Jewish voters don't want to be
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  Speaker 1: told that they have to tolerate what's happening on college
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  Speaker 1: campuses in order to be tolerant. I just all they're
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  Speaker 1: splitting people up and dealing with them in these Balkanized
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  Speaker 1: sort of ways with these issues that are very one
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  Speaker 1: note and condescending. Didn't work, That's right.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently Pulicans won the Puerto Rico governorship.
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  Speaker 3: That was something that came in last night that to
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  Speaker 3: me is just such a perfect moment where it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: was that whole news story nothing?
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, credit to Carol for being more
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  Speaker 1: dismissive of that news story than I was, because sometimes
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  Speaker 1: I'll get a little bit like is this a thing?
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  Speaker 1: When I shouldn't think it's a thing, because it's definitely not,
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  Speaker 1: and it.
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  Speaker 2: Could be you know, you never know, somebody that Hispanic
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  Speaker 2: musician I forgot his name, but you know, rescinded his endorsement.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's not nothing, but it was mostly nothing.
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  Speaker 2: It was mostly nothing, and it was grasping its straws.
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  Speaker 2: By the Harris campaign. We'll be right back on normally.
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  Speaker 1: The thing that.
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  Speaker 2: I want them to take away from this, and I
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  Speaker 2: don't know that they will, is that calling half the
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  Speaker 2: country racist and sexist and hitler and garbage does not
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  Speaker 2: work and it's inappropriate. You're dividing us and then you're
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  Speaker 2: having these conversations like when did we become so divided? Well, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I know, yeah, it might have been what you've been
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  Speaker 2: doing in the last few years. So I hope that
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  Speaker 2: they move forward in a more moderate fashion. I hope
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  Speaker 2: they kind of push aside the far left of the party.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that they can. I will see, but
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  Speaker 2: that would be my hope that the Democrats do become
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  Speaker 2: more normal. I'd love to see two sane parties in
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  Speaker 2: this country.
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  Speaker 1: This is the gaslighting part of it, right, is that
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  Speaker 1: they spend all this time very specifically dividing people and
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  Speaker 1: telling you your trash if you disagree with them, and
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  Speaker 1: then they're like, someone should really unify us. Why are
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  Speaker 1: these people dividing us so much? Yea, And again this
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  Speaker 1: is something that annoys people. I actually noted last night
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  Speaker 1: on Fox. You know, I think it's cold comfort to
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  Speaker 1: my Democratic counterparts who were upset, and I understand some
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  Speaker 1: of their concerns, but they were saying he needs to
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  Speaker 1: come out and unify with his speech, and like, okay, look,
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  Speaker 1: you called him a fascist like four days ago.
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  Speaker 2: So right, I don't think garbage hitler can come out
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  Speaker 2: and unify with speech. What was he overay that they
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  Speaker 2: were going to like like abortions for everyone?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Here. But here's the other thing. He has unified people.
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  Speaker 1: He has unified the most diverse Republican coalition that has existed.
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  Speaker 1: He has spoken directly to blue constituencies, of minority voters,
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  Speaker 1: of working class voters, of labor voters, of even some
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  Speaker 1: suburban women who left the party I came back during
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  Speaker 1: this election. He has spoken to them and he has
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  Speaker 1: won them over from liberals. So that was the unifying
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  Speaker 1: and it created a very decisive victory.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: That might come with a mandate of some kind. And
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  Speaker 1: that cross pollination of labor voters and minority votes is
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  Speaker 1: actually healthy for the country because the Republican Party should
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  Speaker 1: not be not diverse and the Democratic Party should not
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  Speaker 1: be only urban, elite educated people, and like they need
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  Speaker 1: to work on this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's absolutely right. It's an amazing feat and
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump deserves a lot of credit for it. I
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  Speaker 2: have funs, you know, I think that he probably won't
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  Speaker 2: get it. I think that the media needs to do
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  Speaker 2: a lot of introspection right now. I'm going to know
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  Speaker 2: it's not last night. I kept, you know, I'd watch
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  Speaker 2: you on Fox, but then I'd flipped to MSNBC to
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  Speaker 2: see how things were going there. Things were going poorly
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  Speaker 2: very early on so' Donald two different times said that
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  Speaker 2: the electoral College suppresses the vote, and he pointed to
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  Speaker 2: places like California or people like it doesn't matter. My
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  Speaker 2: state's a blue state. Actually, you know, sorry, He pointed
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  Speaker 2: to Florida and Texas and said, my state doesn't matter,
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  Speaker 2: my state's a red state. He did not mention California
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  Speaker 2: and New York, where people are like, my state's a
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  Speaker 2: blue state and I'm not going to vote. They were
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  Speaker 2: visibly annoyed obviously, but it would be healthy if they
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  Speaker 2: looked at what they said last night. And oh he
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  Speaker 2: also had this great line. Rachel Maddow kept talking about
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  Speaker 2: bomb threats at a few different polling places, and she
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  Speaker 2: kept saying, there is no actual bomb, this is just,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a fake threat. And Laurence o'donald looked at
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  Speaker 2: the camera and said, we never had bomb threats until
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump. Never ever, really, I remember some.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, some of this exit poll data is
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  Speaker 1: pretty amazing. Or for anybody who's interested in politics, like
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  Speaker 1: white suburban women fifty one forty seven for Trump. Now,
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  Speaker 1: this is the thing that I was seeing among my
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  Speaker 1: friends and myself who were like, these are the people
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  Speaker 1: who are ripe for picking off for They're Hailey voters,
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  Speaker 1: right Haley or DeSantis voters or like centrist, moderate non
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  Speaker 1: political people that would be the people you're trying to reach.
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  Speaker 1: And they were falling like dominoes for Trump. And I
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  Speaker 1: was like, is this predictive? And then about nine thirty
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  Speaker 1: or so, whenever Louden County came in, and this is
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  Speaker 1: this is what I mean about the anti woke sort
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  Speaker 1: of frustration. Louden County Virginia is peak wine mom, highly educated, affluent,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of government workers, definitely like blue friendly for sure,
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  Speaker 1: and Biden won that county by twenty five points. I
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  Speaker 1: think there was a nine or ten points wing last night,
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  Speaker 1: and that comes from a couple of things. One youngkin,
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  Speaker 1: the competent governor of Virginia, has a nice operation on
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  Speaker 1: the ground that was clearly at work, and has some
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  Speaker 1: fans that he cultivated in that demographic. Also, though, they
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  Speaker 1: were animated by an absolutely radical, unaccountable school board in
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  Speaker 1: that county that hid sexual assaults in an attempt to
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  Speaker 1: save gender related trans policies in the school system that
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  Speaker 1: they wanted to get through. And then they arrested the
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  Speaker 1: man whose child was assaulted because he came to a
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  Speaker 1: public meeting and got mad at them about it. It
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  Speaker 1: was a mind blowing microcosm of why parents were so angry.
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  Speaker 1: And so I think they're sick of being bullied. It's
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  Speaker 1: sick of being lectured. And when I saw that county,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, this is not working for her, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to work in the blue wall.
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  Speaker 2: So Virginia was really close last night. How close was it?
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  Speaker 1: I would have to look up the latest, but it
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  Speaker 1: was like under two points. I think I thought it
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  Speaker 1: would be closer than it pulled. It pulled at about
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  Speaker 1: seven to ten points difference. I thought it'd be closer
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  Speaker 1: than that. But I did not think that it was
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  Speaker 1: going to be uncalled at midnight one am. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's just that's disaster territory for Democrats.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so as we're talking right now, Arizona and Michigan
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  Speaker 2: still haven't been called, which again I don't know what
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  Speaker 2: they're doing over there. If Florida was like done last night,
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  Speaker 2: wrapped it all up, we all went.
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  Speaker 1: To bed, and really it's embarrassing if you're going to
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  Speaker 1: be the person in charge of how will you count votes? Like,
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  Speaker 1: let's just do it in a way that gives people faith,
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  Speaker 1: as Florida does. And that's something Jeb deserves a ton
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  Speaker 1: of credit for figuring out after two thousand and it
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  Speaker 1: can be done again.
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  Speaker 2: We require ID and your signature has to match. So
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  Speaker 2: for those of us who scribble our signature like I do,
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  Speaker 2: they make me redo it. They're like, no, it has
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  Speaker 2: to match your ID, lady, and I have to like, okay, yes,
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  Speaker 2: I will carefully do my signature to match the scribble
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  Speaker 2: on the ID.
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  Speaker 1: Did you see that? In Nevada? There was a little
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  Speaker 1: undercard story. I don't know how big it was, but
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  Speaker 1: they were trying to they were trying to match signatures
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  Speaker 1: for young voters. But young voters don't have signatures because
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  Speaker 1: they never have to write their names right, and so
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  Speaker 1: they were unable to match them because the young people
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  Speaker 1: are like, what do I I just write my name?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Right, Like how does this work?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: So wild?
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of the age gap, it looks like Generation X
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  Speaker 2: delivered the selection for Donald Trump, which is awesome because
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  Speaker 2: I love our generation. I'm looking at the age breakdown
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  Speaker 2: of this one of the last exit poles, I mean exitpoles,
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  Speaker 2: obviously taken with a large grain of salt. And again
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about the Jewish vote in a minute,
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  Speaker 2: which I think the exepolure are not getting correct. But
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  Speaker 2: eighteen to twenty nine Harrison won it by like thirteen points.
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  Speaker 2: Thirty to forty four she wins it by five points,
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  Speaker 2: and then forty five to sixty four we bring the
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  Speaker 2: heat and eight point you know, for Donald Trump, and
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  Speaker 2: then sixty and older she also she only won that
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  Speaker 2: by one point, but yeah, it's interesting that Generation X
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  Speaker 2: said no more, We're going to take a short break
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  Speaker 2: and come right back with normally.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm a cusp millennial gen X her. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I'm spiritually sort of gen X. Yeah, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: a very old millennial if I count. But I think
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  Speaker 1: there's a combination of low tolerance for woosy woke social
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  Speaker 1: emotional learning nonsense and gen X plus I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: throw this in there, but again, I might be projecting
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  Speaker 1: my need to see COVID consequences. But gen X was
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  Speaker 1: parenting during COVID. That's it.
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  Speaker 2: I really do think that's it. And I think that's
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  Speaker 2: so much of that. You know, nobody ever got punished
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  Speaker 2: for it, but this is kind of we're all still
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  Speaker 2: holding on to it in a lot of ways. When
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  Speaker 2: I talk to people, they are still mad about it.
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  Speaker 2: People who had young kids during that time are pissed off.
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  Speaker 2: And this is the second time I'm going to quote
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  Speaker 2: our friend John Ekdel on the show, but he said,
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  Speaker 2: you know, somebody said, why why did gen X carry
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  Speaker 2: this election? And he said, tweeted, because we grew up
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  Speaker 2: drinking water from a garden hose and then you made
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  Speaker 2: us wear Masks Outdoors.
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  Speaker 1: Which faired.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Did you see the young men numbers eighteen to twenty
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  Speaker 1: nine male Harris plus two, which you know you would
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  Speaker 1: expect her to win young people by sure a lot
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  Speaker 1: more than that, right, eighteen twenty nine female Harris plus
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  Speaker 1: I think twenty seven. So there's a large gender gap there.
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  Speaker 1: But it also shows, and you could tell last night
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  Speaker 1: that they weren't getting from college towns what they thought
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  Speaker 1: they were going to get. They were seeing these huge lines,
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  Speaker 1: but it may be that a lot of those people
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  Speaker 1: were not voting the way that they wanted them to
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  Speaker 1: vote that they assumed they would. Those were taken for granted.
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  Speaker 1: And Donald Trump, I think with the help of Baron Trump,
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  Speaker 1: I think he was the podcast mastermind. Yeah, he said, Dad,
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  Speaker 1: you need to go on these podcasts. And look, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how much. That was always the question for me,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: is there a pipeline that they're actually making from Theovan's
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  Speaker 1: podcast or Joe Rogan's podcast two Ballot Booth. And it
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  Speaker 1: seems to me that something worked here, whether it was
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  Speaker 1: Rogan's endorsement or just hitting them several times. I think
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: the campaign's hitting Rogan like basically three times because they
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: didn't Trump, then Elon Man, then Elon Musk. Theovon had
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: both the candidate and the vice president or vice presidential
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  Speaker 1: candidate on. They hit enough times that these guys got
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  Speaker 1: the message. And I mentioned the Twitch streaming and that,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: you know, I think he is clued into things that
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: can just be cute side shows. But they pulled them
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  Speaker 1: off right.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder what they could have done to have appealed
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: to young women more, and I don't know what that
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: could be. Donald Trump is pretty moderate on abortion is
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: the other thing.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, the.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Republican Party gets tarred as being very anti abortion, but
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: the candidate wasn't, and so the ads against the party
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: really didn't make that much sense. Project twenty twenty five.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Remember that guy is like Donald Trump's plan to remake
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: the country that he kept saying, I have nothing to
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: do with this plan. I don't know that they hit
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: him correctly, but I wonder what he could have done
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: to appeal to this younger female demographic. And I wonder
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: maybe using millennium more.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure, whatever it is, it would help those
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: folks date each other in the future. They're going to be.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: How are these crazy kids going to get together.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I do you feel like there's a there's a little
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: bit of backlash on the sort of self censorship and
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: woke stuff in that generation and a little younger where
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: they're starting to go like, I don't know, I don't
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I want you to dictate everything
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I say. So, maybe there's like light here that they'll
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: take politics a little bit less life and deathy and
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: that would be nice to talk to each other.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: But I imagine the conservative women in that demographic are
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: very in demand. True, the world is your oyster, Li
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: you can have any one of these podcasts listening, Bros.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: The pro vote was real though, I think that's very
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: interest and by the way, but would to have young
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: men engaged in society, right, Every society needs up having
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: deep problems. It's because there's like huge numbers of young
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: men who are not engaged in society. So come on
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: in the voters.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: It was. It was really excellent. Yeah, it was the
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Other thing I've heard is like this was the revenge
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: of the men election. But again, I don't think he
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: lost women by enough for it to be like, oh,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: this was the man election. It's not that lopsided. I
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: don't remember. The last thing I saw was but I
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: think Trump was at forty five percent of women.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not it's not.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like thirty five. It's forty five percent
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: of women. Okay, and then fifty five or against what
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: are you going to do? Well?
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: But yeah, the liberals just overestimate how much women love abortion. Yeah,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: they must, right, because you and I found the messaging
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: off putting about like, I'm voting for my kid to
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: have the freedom to appoint my own abortion. I understand
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: the argument about autonomy, and I get what they're actually saying,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: but the way they communicated it I found very off putting.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: And I wonder if we're not alone in the normal
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: ones actually on that.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Somebody's tweeted, and I'd love to give credit, but I
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: don't remember who it was that. You know, women go
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: to the grocery store and they see the expensive prices
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: much more often than they go to get abortions.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: So it's true.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: It might be that.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I do think that left leaning people have a have
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: a blind spot or an inability to rank concerns. Yeah,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: because Donald Trump sort of blinds them from the idea
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: that people do rank these concerns, and then frankly, look,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I think January sixth is a big deal, but when
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: you're talking about your daily groceries, January sixth, twenty twenty
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: one is not nine to eleven to you. It is
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: not front of mind. And frankly, I think it feels
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: a bit like a luxury belief to believe that that
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: is only the only thing on the line when you're.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Exactly, yeah, should we get into the Jewish mode?
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I feel like i'd love to.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: My thinking on this is that the exit polls are
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: kind of weak on this right now. So the Fox
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: News exit polls last night had forty three percent of
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: the Jewish vote in Florida for Trump, which is about
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: in line with how DeSantis got forty five percent in
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: his goupernatorial race. And I don't know what Trump got specifically,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: but he got I think he also got like forty
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: actually in Florida and twenty twenty Arizona didn't even know
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: they had Jews thirty eight percent for Trump. Nevada, Nevada
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: forty two percent for Trump, and then the numbers come
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: out nationally and it's like thirty two percent, And I'm sorry,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: even though Republican Jewish Coalition sharing it. That number makes
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: no sense, like what happened in California, ten percent the
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Jewish vote went for Trump. So I would take these
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: exit polls with a giant grain of salt. It takes
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: a little while to get real data out of these elections,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: and I think that what we saw is a lot
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: of first time Jewish voters voting Republican in any hurry
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: to go tell a stranger on the street or wherever
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: that they did that. So I would really caution against believing.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, the Republican Jewish Coalition is celebrating thirty two
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: percent because it's a two percent increase from the thirty
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: percent of twenty twenty. I still think it's going to
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: go higher. My prediction was a very kind of normal
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: thirty eight percent. But even I would take the over
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: on my own prediction. I think that number is going
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: to be in the forties when all of a sudden done.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I think Jews really turned out for Trump. And it's
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: also a demographic, you know, the demographics is destiny kind
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: of conversation. Because Orthodox Jews vote Republican, They're having more
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: children fifteen years from now, and I don't think it's
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: crazy to imagine that Jews vote majority Republican.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: You know how unifying actually this Trump coalition is is
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: that he improved dramatically with both Jewish and Arab Americans,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: amazing using the same message.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: He wasn't like tailoring something different.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I mean this is I do think we had a
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: matchup of to a fault, the most authentic candidate that
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: you can have in Donald Trump and the absolute least
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: authentic candidate you can have. So she was trying to
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: jockey and parse and woo different people, and he was like, yeah,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I'm the guy who put the UH the embassy in Jerusalem,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to support Israel and like I'm going
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: to say some like like unplanned stuff about my views
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: on this, but I love the Jews and.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: He never waivers on it. He's never like she changed
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: her message to the Arab voters, and I think they
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: saw through that he's saying things like I will end
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: this war, which he may already this morning who these
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: came out and said, you know, we were just doing
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: our thing in the in the in the seas over there,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: but now now we're going to stop. And it's all right, Yeah,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's a coincidence. I think that they're
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: like new sheriff in town and they want no part
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: of this. I think that he does have potential to
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: really help wrap up the Middle East war and.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Well, and like he has great timing because net Yahoo
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: has basically said Israel shall take care of this. They
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: have gone not alone in the sense of like weaponry
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: and money, but gone it alone, sometimes in the moral
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: support like no, you can't do that, you can't go
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: to Raphael like we're doing it. Yeah, And as a result,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of it's done. So when Donald Trump comes
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: into office, he's like, you can really, Yeah, why don't
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: you guys wrap this up pretty quick? And it might
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: get wrapped up pretty quick.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Right absolutely.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: I think that Donald Trump presidency, let's see what happens,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: is going to be an interesting four years. And I
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: think that you and I are going to stay on
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: top of it. You know. Also, I wanted him to win.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I voted for him, But he does start as zero
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: here for me, and he has to do all the
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: things that he said he was going to do, and
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I hope that he does. I hope that he does
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: the things that I voted for.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, and this is this is the thing that
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: sort of mystifies me about the Donald Trump era, where
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: it's like we've lost the art of you vote for
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: someone who best fits what you hope might come in
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: the fuldre Like it's very it's very unscientific. It is
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: not a person who has to align with everything you believe.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I've never had someone align perfectly with what I believe.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: That would be like maybe a Paul Ryan, you know entitled. Yeah,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: oh that's a good one too, That would be pretty
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: close for me. But I've never had someone aligned like that.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: But most voters don't make their decisions that way. And
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: then once the person you voted for is in office,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: you go let me evaluate you as I see fit, right, Tatta,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: You and I have done an amazing trick.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to be holding him accountable. We're going
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: to be hoping that he does the things that he
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: ran on and not letting him slide just because we
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: happen to be on the same political side.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: No check us out, because often I disagree with him,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: as I have for many years.
• 28:18
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• 28:21
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