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#122 - Justin Willoughby - 600 Pounds Down · The Chris and Mike Show

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  There. You go.
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  I hate boys and girls. And we're live.
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  Of course, as we get live so. Many messages.
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  Well, it's a good time to say welcome to the ladies and
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  gentlemen that are listening on YouTube and Twitch.
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  Thanks for tuning in. This is the Chris and Mike show.
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  And there you go, that was that was Nemesis back in the day.
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  That's Freeman. It's all about the Rock'n'roll.
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  So with this day again and welcome to the show, We have
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  Justin Willoughby. Justin's like, Justin's gonna
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  give us a little a little FYI about who he is, what he's all
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  about. And then we're gonna dive deep
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  in this amazing, stimulating, engaging conversation that all
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  the world wants to see and hear. All the world.
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  All the world that is, that is. 21 countries.
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  Man 21 countries. That's like almost all the world
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  well. Right.
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  Man, so the Chris and Mike show got to watch a couple of your
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  episodes guys. And you guys some good things
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  going, bro. Good stuff, good stuff, a lot of
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  organic conversation. Well, thanks for having me on as
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  a guest. I'm Justin.
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  I'm a success coach with Energized Health and also with
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  £600 down. So I do multi platform, you want
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  to call it work? I actually, so I'm a health guy.
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  When I say success coach, that means a health guy, right?
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  So I lead people through a program that helps them shed
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  fat, gain health, gain hydration to their cells and outside their
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  cells, and also just transforms their life, mind, body and
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  spirit. Now I, I have a passion for that
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  because of my story and we'll I'm sure going to get into that
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  and everything. But man guys, I dropped like
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  £600 in my life, £600. That's insane.
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  That is crazy. That's why you're here, because
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  I want to hear the story. Absolutely.
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  So I've been there, done that, right?
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  So I, so I burst a passion out of that.
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  And when you live through something, as you guys are
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  aware, as you've gone through your own challenges in your own
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  life, you live through something, you overcome it and
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  now you're passionate and you're excited about it.
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  And then you say, I see others who are trapped in the same
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  snare and I want to help them out of it.
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  So that's what I do today. I just help people out of their
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  trap, out of their food addiction and out of things that
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  they're struggling with their health.
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  Nice. So let's, let's so and I so I
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  completely respect that because I'm one of those big believers.
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  Like all the years I've worked out, the trainers need to be in
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  shape. Like I'm not going to listen to
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  you unless you're in shape. If you're coming in with a Jelly
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  doughnut roll, you know, and, and an extra chin.
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  And it's like, I'm sorry, you have, you have no credibility
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  with me because you need to be in shape because those who work
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  out, they're aspiring to be that trainer.
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  And, and what drives me nuts at EOS Fitness, because I go there
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  now there's this one trainer. All he does is talk like I watch
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  him and for the half an hour like like free training, 20
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  minutes of him is 20 minutes of it is him running his mouth and
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  you hear all his political views.
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  I, we've heard him tell women having a discussion about the
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  abortion and the rights related with that.
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  And we're like, dude, you're a dude.
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  You have no say in that. Like just shut up right?
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  But all this guy does, he just runs his mouth the whole time to
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  where's if if I actually went and didn't know anything and I
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  and it got my free training session, I'd be pissed if I got
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  paired up with that guy because legit they'll sit, they'll do
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  one Rep like 6 reps and then they'll sit and the dude will
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  just run his mouth the whole time.
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  And then it's like really, I go through three sets on the
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  machine next to him and I'm up and over and they're still on
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  that same one with just one set. So kudos to you for actually,
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  which is where we're going to go with this is is you lived a
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  super unhealthy lifestyle and you made a drastic change.
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  And and Mike knows I don't call it diet because diets fail.
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  It's a lifestyle, It's a lifestyle change.
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  It's it's a new approach. It's whatever you want to call
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  it. But I've never been been been a
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  big believer in diets because diets are trends.
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  Diets are multi billion dollar empire that just you get people
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  on the board and then you know, Ozempic, right, all the bad
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  stuffs coming out now about Ozempic, but everybody's like,
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  oh, Ozempic and then you see people putting the way back on.
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  Why? Because it's not a lifestyle
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  change. It's got to be a mental
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  transformation that happens in in your life, right?
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  I mean, you, you can, I mean, I've heard people go on diets
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  where they just, I mean, they're eating whatever they want to
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  eat, just lesser portions. But however, what we see there
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  is that people aren't getting healthy.
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  It's one thing to lose weight or fat.
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  It's another thing to actually gain health and lose fat.
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  So there's there's that. We're trying to, we're trying to
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  maneuver that that way. But kudos to you on that soapbox
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  about that trainer man. Like that's a real deal thing,
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  Juris. Right, yeah, and and and yeah
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  and I vocalized it a little bit, which, you know, wasn't a very
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  good. It's a great but but it but it
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  but it's true though. I mean, I get if you're.
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  Well, look, you wouldn't go to a vocal coach and show up and the
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  guy can't carry a tune in a bucket.
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  Go, yeah, this guy can make me a better singer.
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  Chris can already sing, right? So if he showed up and the guy
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  was tone deaf, I got to move on. It's the same concept.
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  It is the same. If the guy weighs 300 lbs
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  telling you that you have to get more motivated, it's real hard
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  to take him seriously, even if he's great at his job.
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  He might be a wonderful coach, but I agree with Chris.
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  If I looked at him, I'm thinking I'm already not overweight,
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  right? I'm probably not in the greatest
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  shape. So I agree with Justin in that I
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  couldn't go run a mile right now.
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  I look like I could, and there's a difference.
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  He's right. Yeah, yeah.
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  I was, I was listening to your last episode with Steve Feldman,
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  which my boy Steve. I love Steve, man.
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  He's a great guy. It was.
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  Fun. That was a great, great episode.
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  Amazing what's happening in his life and just the just the
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  opportunities he's had to help a lot of people and his faith has
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  been so great to lead him through.
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  And he's just a little hunger to reach people, which I love.
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  But shout out to Steve. Love you, man.
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  But hey, Steve. Hey, Steve.
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  But so I hear that Chris likes to work out now, Mike, you're
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  more of like the outside guy. Let me go out and do things, not
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  just like in. A drive his car super fast.
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  Yeah, I mean, I like being outside to an extent.
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  I'm definitely not. I don't know.
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  I wouldn't be considered an outdoorsman, but.
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  But you like monkey business. You're more of like, I don't
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  want to be in a gym. You do things more correct.
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  Yeah, I would go walk. If, you know, if somebody wanted
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  to go walk, I would go do things like that, go to the woods, you
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  know, hike, things like that. I would be fine with things like
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  that. I'm just not a go to the gym and
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  pump myself up with muscles or whatever.
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  You know, that's not my motivation.
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  Sure, and you can do a lot of things like I think that you
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  were saying in the last episode too about, you know, going for
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  hikes and things like that. So I just wanted to double check
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  that was you and and Chris, you're the guy.
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  You're the guy that likes to go to the gym, but you can find.
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  I'm I We do everything like my wife and I paddle board, we
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  hike, we trail run, we do regular St. running.
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  You definitely like being outside too.
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  For yeah, I, I, I like everything that's physically
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  challenging. Like I live on an acre, so
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  there's, I have a tractor, obviously when I mow my lawn.
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  So I'll actually grab the grass bags from the furthest point of
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  my yard and diagonally walk all the way across, just holding
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  them out like this because it's a workout, right?
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  It's engaging the core and you know, or I'll have the big red,
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  you know what is 100 gallon garbage can I'll fill up and
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  I'll have it behind my head walking across the yard because
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  it's a workout. So even though I I'll spend 3
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  hours outside doing yard work, it's legit.
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  I make sure that as much of it possible is manual labor.
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  You're purposely making the job as hard as possible, right?
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  I mean, I do stupid things like that, too.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Because you know that you're already sweating.
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  You got your heart rate up. You might as well take advantage
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  of it. Exactly.
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  Intentionality is key intentionality and I find that
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  to be the same with me. I mean the old, the old sayings
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  that people said to get more activity and they say go park at
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  the the furthest part of the parking lot to walk into the
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  store. Like that's an easy one.
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  But even the other day I was going to an appointment and I
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  just remember my old self when I was so large, which we'll get
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  into here momentarily. But I remember being the guy
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  that would that I would just avoid stairs.
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  I would avoid every long distance thing I could in the
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  world. And that actually motivates me
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  to make sure that I don't do that anymore.
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  So like now. There's something I do do,
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  Justin. If their stairs are an
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  escalator, I'm always going to take the stairs.
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  Yeah. Yeah, I'm the same way.
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  I'm the same way. I don't, I don't.
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  Elevators and escalators are for wussies.
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  Shout out to the wussies out there.
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  Don't take that literally, but no, I I'm the same way.
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  Like we go on when we go on vacation, Nikki and a wherever
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  we go for on the 10th floor. I I'll take the stairs at least
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  once a day and she'll take the elevator.
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  But I'm just I'm, you know, but that's my insanity.
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  That's that's the addict in me, right, Because what was all
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  about alcohol transformed into that.
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  So something else had to take over that, that thing and
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  straight up, I see something that works.
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  There's tunnel vision. Like I don't, I don't waver like
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  our show. As soon as I started realizing
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  dropping three shorts a day was going to be more make us more
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  relevant and have more people driven to our page and, and
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  subscribing and viewing. I haven't stopped that because
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  it's like, well, that works. So that's why I equate
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  everything to lifestyle. It's not a diet.
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  It's not, you know, you're, it's a lifestyle change.
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  You have to shift like consistency, right, right.
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  Consistency habits and, and committing to doing it.
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  Like you said, Justin, it's everything.
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  It's, it's mental, it's physical, it's it's audio, it's
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  the, the curses and the, and the triggers and shit.
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  You have to be aware of all that stuff when you're going towards
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  a change in your lifestyle because it's going to have an
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  impact on all different levels, right, Right. 100% man yeah,
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  yeah, you live and learn that as you go You and it's a muscle
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  that's developed I feel like it's harder to develop that
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  muscle than it is developed like a bench press or it's harder to
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  develop a you know, this is this is the real deal.
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  You have to, you have to actually grow the commitment and
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  discipline muscle for it to work.
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  And it just gets gets better and it grows the more and more you
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  actually say no to things and the more and more you actually
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  strategically place those things that might require a little more
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  effort, like taking the stairs or like you were saying, grab
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  something and carry it for a distance.
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  That develops A discipline needed and it just kind of
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  escalates from there. Right.
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  Absolutely. And you feel better.
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  You feel better when you, when you've sweat, you know, for an
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  hour a day, it's just, you know, you just at least I do anyway.
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  Well, and I think the key to that following up is it sucks
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  every time, right? Nobody really enjoys that 100%.
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  The enjoyment is the result that you get out of it.
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  You have to, you have to learn that sometimes the reward is
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  delayed, right? You get a delayed reward in that
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  if you do it consistently in a month, you're going to look
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  better. In three months, you're going to
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  look better and more importantly, you're going to
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  feel better. Right.
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  Yeah, that's that's perfect. That's perfect.
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  Longevity is the game here. Longevity is the game.
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  Everything so so let's let's dive into your life.
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  Justin. What?
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  You weren't born 600 lbs. So what happened man?
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  Can you imagine if I was? Right.
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  Poor mom. Oh my God, you would be here.
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  Oh, guys, yeah. I, you know, I, my family was
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  amazing. They loved me growing up.
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  I mom, dad and I had a brother and they were very loving
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  people. But one thing that we weren't is
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  we weren't wise on food selections.
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  We grew up on government assistance.
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  We grew up poor and poverty. Mom had a job.
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  My dad retired early because of some back issues, you know, so
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  there was some, there was not a lot of income coming into my
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  house. And, and I see a lot of in
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  America right now, those who might be in a poverty level or
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  receiving assistance from the government.
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  There's a lack of desire to care for yourself, a lack of desire
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  to take care of what healthy foods are into your body.
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  So I grew up like that guy. We had hot dogs at every meal
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  almost, and ramen noodles and white bread and all the
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  margarine. You know, you give me, I mean,
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  give me some poison right now. So it felt like back then I I
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  loved it, But but today I look back and like, holy cow, I'm
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  still here. But that's type of home I grew
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  up in. We didn't really, we didn't
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  encourage activity very much. I mean, yeah, I had friends that
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  I played football with here and there, but honestly, it wasn't
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  enough activity to really burn calories and and prevent the
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  weight gain that was happening in my life.
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  So I grew up a big kid, My brother was a, my brother was
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  somewhat a bigger guy. Not too bad.
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  My parents, my mom's side of the family is more obese.
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  My dad's side of the family was pretty thin.
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  Just a little dad bod going on there.
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  So that was my setting, but I had an attraction to food beyond
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  a healthy level, beyond a healthy limit.
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  And so I remember just thinking about when I went to bed, what
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  am I going to eat tomorrow? I thought about our once a month
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  treat because we were on assistance.
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  We didn't buy a lot of food out because it was just too
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  expensive for us. And so my mom on payday would
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  say, all right, we have, you know, XYZ, so let's go have
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  something fun. So I remember just thinking the
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  month, hey, what are we going to have?
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  Maybe McDonald's, maybe Burger King, maybe maybe Pizza Hut,
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  something like that. That would really tickle my
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  taste. And I just remember thinking
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  about that stuff, gorging myself when we had the opportunity
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  because I craved it. And then those foods, of course,
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  the foods that we consume, they if you think about it, they are
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  created to tickle the taste bud. Yeah, they're creating the taste
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  buds. So they they hold us in
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  captivity in some way saying this is so good, I want more.
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  It's like a brainwash thing. And our it's a dopamine hit in
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  the brain. And we're like, I need more of
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  that. You guys probably can relate to
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  that. You guys have a food that y'all
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  like. Remember that you did that.
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  Even even more so, we had, we've had some health folks on and I
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  don't remember if it was a Nate Palmer, the physical fitness
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  guy, or if it's Peter Ho the the health Wellness coach, but I
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  think it was Nate. But he talked about McDonald's
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  hamburgers and how they're designed to be consumed in two
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  bites. And and because they're designed
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  to be consumed in two bites, you eat them faster.
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  So as you eat it faster, then you're still hungry because it
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  hasn't had a chance to actually do anything in your stomach,
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  which is why then you go back to the counter and get a Big Mac or
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  whatever the case may be because.
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  And the fact there's no nutritional value.
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  Right. It's completely unnutritional.
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  They had I saw something, I don't know if it's you or not.
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  Somebody had a McDonald's bag that was 20 years old and inside
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  it was a hamburger and fries. You did right.
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  That was a trip, right. There was no condiments on the
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  burger or cheese. It was just two buns in the
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  Patty and the fries. The fries still kind of looked
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  intact. They were all they were darker
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  brown, like they were little over fried.
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  And the burger itself was, was the the thickness of like for
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  those of you who aren't aren't can't see us like a thickness of
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  1/4 right. It, it shrunk a little bit, but
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  it was still intact. The bun was still intact 20
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  years later. It that's just, and it was still
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  wrapped up in the stuff that to me was just absolutely
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  disgusting. Like, are you kidding me?
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  So I don't know if it was real or not, because it's so hard to
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  tell nowadays what's real and what's not real.
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  Well. But one thing that we've talked
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  about with those same two people is the difference in the amount
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  of ingredients that were in. There's a classic example, you
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  can Google it right now. Look at the ingredients in a
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  McDonald's French fry from 1970 and the ingredients today.
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  There was like 4 ingredients in 1970, might have been three.
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  It might have been just salt potatoes and whatever.
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  Oh no, there was the beef stock. Cuban.
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  Tallow, tallow. Thank you.
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  Yeah. Now there's like 10 ingredients
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  in those same French fries, and they don't taste good anymore,
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  like that same craving that we had when we were kids.
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  I don't have that for a McDonald's French fry anymore.
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  I've tried them several times in the last year.
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  It just, it doesn't do it for me anymore.
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  And that's why there's chemicals in there that we're not supposed
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  to be consuming. Right.
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  They removed it, removed the tallow in 1990, replaced it with
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  vegetable oil, with beef flavouring.
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  But it's not telling me what? Oh, it's a video.
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  I'm not watching the fry fax video.
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  It's telling me what the ingredients were.
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  I've typed in ingredients in McDonald's French fries in 1970,
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  but it didn't. It didn't want to show me.
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  Oh, they changed, That's the thing, correct?
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  We we made things. OK, so instead, OK, here's one
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  not to interrupt you. Here's one that says in, in, in
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  75 they had three ingredients. That's what I thought, which was
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  potatoes, beef tallow and salt. Now it's nineteen ingredients,
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  but I can't. I can't.
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  Find what? Right, but I can't find what the
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  19 ingredients are. It doesn't matter.
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  That's the point. Now I know I.
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  Know it's insane. It's insane.
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  Oh, let's see. Let's see.
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  You probably can't even pronounce them.
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  Here's OK, here's all nineteen ingredients.
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  OK, so Oh my God, behind the fry, they call it.
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  They're going to drop. OK, Potatoes.
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  Shocking salt. Yay.
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  Canola. Canola.
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  Oh my, I can say that. Canola oil, Corn, corn oil,
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  because let's have two oils. Soybean oil.
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  Let's have 304 hydrogenated soybean oil, natural beef
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  flavor, hydrolyzized wheat, HYDROYLYZED.
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  Is that hydrolysized wheat? Hydrolyzized milk?
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  Dextrose, sodium acid, phosphates.
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  Oh pryop. Wow what the Frick is that word?
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  Pry sulfate? Citric acid.
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  Oh my God this is hard one dithi Dithiopoloxasaxine.
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  It's an anti foaming agent because God forbid the Fry's
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  foam this one. Why does?
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  That stuff need to be in a French fry.
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  I don't know, I'm only on 14 TBHQ which is territory.
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  Butyl hydrocholine, whatever the hell, mono and diglycerides
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  levanning, which is a sodium bicarbonate, disodium dihydrogen
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  pyrophosphate, BHA which is butylated hydroxyzole.
• 18:51
  And then your 19th ingredient is anato.
• 18:54
  What? If it's a color.
• 18:58
  Wow, I. Think yeah, that's a lot.
• 19:02
  Why does that have to be in a French?
• 19:03
  Fry, I don't, I don't know. And and and.
• 19:06
  Wow. Well, those oils are, think
• 19:10
  about it, all those oils, they are inflammatory, especially if
• 19:12
  they're heated temperatures, they're inflammatory, which then
• 19:15
  creates inflammation in the body, which leads to heart
• 19:18
  disease, cancers and other types of diseases that people are
• 19:21
  dying prematurely from. So we need to be more wise.
• 19:24
  And I, I kind of like not to get political, but RFK coming into
• 19:27
  the game and trying to change some things that needs to
• 19:28
  happen. Whatever side you flow on,
• 19:30
  whatever. I just think there needed to be
• 19:32
  a change. The fact they're taking the dyes
• 19:34
  out, if that really happens, that's a huge first step.
• 19:37
  I agree with you. Yeah, huge.
• 19:39
  It needs to that needs to be something revisited.
• 19:41
  But anyway, I grew up with that so I don't think I was in a beef
• 19:44
  tallow days though I. How old are you?
• 19:47
  So I'm 30. Eight.
• 19:49
  I'm 30. Eight.
• 19:49
  OK, OK. Yeah.
• 19:50
  And when did you start your transformation journey?
• 19:53
  I was 16, So what, 22 years ago? 22 years.
• 19:57
  So how much did you weigh at 16? Man, so I topped the scale.
• 20:01
  So because of my habits and everything and food addiction
• 20:05
  plus anxiety because I had a lot of anxiety attacks too and I I
• 20:09
  thought I was dying. My heart would just like.
• 20:10
  Pound on my legs, man. Oh bro that is so mad.
• 20:14
  It's I didn't know what it was and I don't think anybody knew
• 20:17
  what it was. Bad.
• 20:18
  You're dying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're over
• 20:20
  like this is it, This is the big one.
• 20:22
  But found out it was anxiety disorder and put me on some
• 20:24
  medications which didn't really do anything.
• 20:27
  It's kind of a Band-Aid over the wound type thing and I had to
• 20:29
  cope with it other ways. But I because of food addiction
• 20:32
  and because of anxiety and depression, I ballooned up in
• 20:35
  weight at 16. So I will call the 14 age 14 and
• 20:40
  16 would be the two years I started really putting on a
• 20:42
  large amount of weight and that's when I weighed.
• 20:45
  They took me to Pittsburgh, PA by ambulance from my house
• 20:48
  because I was so large. There's like something you see
• 20:50
  on My 600 LB Life, right? OK, yeah.
• 20:52
  And I've watched that. That's why that's what
• 20:53
  originally intrigued me about. She was oh, this is going to be
• 20:55
  a good conversation. OK, so you weighed £600?
• 20:59
  I weighed more than that. I was when I weighed me in.
• 21:01
  I was eight. I was 799.
• 21:03
  So I was wonderful. Yeah.
• 21:05
  Yeah. I'm laughing at it.
• 21:07
  Look at me. Yeah.
• 21:07
  Yeah, guys. I can't, yeah, to look at you
• 21:11
  can't even imagine. So if you're just listening to
• 21:13
  this, go tune into either YouTube or Spotify, get the
• 21:16
  video, because you would not believe that this guy could be
• 21:21
  that. That just fascinates me, man.
• 21:23
  What do you weigh now? I weighed in this morning at
• 21:26
  211.6. How tall are?
• 21:29
  You Yeah, I'm 58, maybe a little bit over that.
• 21:31
  OK, Yeah. So they would still categorize
• 21:34
  me as obese. OK.
• 21:36
  So that, that's something that I look at.
• 21:37
  But here's a problem with the body mass index.
• 21:40
  They don't factor in muscle. They don't factor in fat, muscle
• 21:44
  and hydration to the body. What they do factor in is your
• 21:47
  total metric, your total sum of weight and your height.
• 21:50
  And so if you look at it that way, man, I have a scale that I
• 21:55
  look at. It's a bio and painting scale.
• 21:58
  And what it does is it breaks down the fat, it breaks down the
• 22:00
  water and it breaks down the muscle.
• 22:02
  And I have some solid hydration and some solid muscle.
• 22:06
  And of course there's a little bit extra fat that I still need
• 22:08
  to lose. Probably another 15 lbs would be
• 22:09
  really good for me. But yeah, I put on a lot of
• 22:12
  muscle the last couple of years, guys, I've been really working
• 22:14
  hard and kind of not worrying so much about the scale anymore.
• 22:18
  So yeah, my top weight was 799. I was 16 years old, so that was.
• 22:23
  Crazy. Yeah.
• 22:24
  How do so So this fascinates me because it just does get can you
• 22:30
  take us back to a day in the life when you're 16 weighing,
• 22:33
  weighing 799 lbs, what your typical day was like, if that's
• 22:37
  possible? Yeah, man, that that's before
• 22:40
  everything, right, So right. It really lethargic.
• 22:46
  So I was a teenager. I was, I knew it all.
• 22:49
  I didn't care what anybody said, my parents, whatever, you know,
• 22:51
  like. We were all that smart at that
• 22:53
  age. Yep.
• 22:54
  Yep, Yep. It's sometimes just kind of
• 22:57
  keeps going, but we I definitely was involved in video games a
• 23:02
  lot. Computer, I lived in a fantasy
• 23:04
  land constantly. I watched WWE or F back then.
• 23:07
  Were you very isolated? I, I, I had friends, but they
• 23:11
  would have to come and visit me, right?
• 23:12
  I couldn't go out and do things, but you did.
• 23:14
  Socialize with other kids they just watched.
• 23:16
  You online? Online was my biggest like AOL
• 23:19
  Instant Messenger, ICQMSN Messenger back in the day.
• 23:22
  Those are my my, my chat features that I used to talk to
• 23:26
  people. Yeah, I ate a lot of food.
• 23:29
  I mean, I I could wolf down a whole bag of apples in one
• 23:32
  sitting if I wanted to. How many bags?
• 23:34
  How many apples were in the bag? 12 What?
• 23:37
  Do you think 9 or 10? Maybe, Maybe 12.
• 23:39
  Yeah, there's usually 10 or 12 apples in a.
• 23:41
  Bag Yeah, so, so, so let's let's kind of back up a little bit.
• 23:45
  What I'm what I'm wanting to kind of understand is like a
• 23:48
  day. So it's it's what time do you
• 23:50
  wake up 6:00 in the morning? Yeah, so I, I would sleep in.
• 23:53
  No, I, I'm OK teenager I, I didn't have any motivation to
• 23:56
  get up anyway. So unless it was the eat.
• 23:58
  Right. OK, so but that yeah, so you get
• 24:01
  up, you how long does it take you a typical day to actually
• 24:03
  get up and move in and up and around like you wait, here's a
• 24:06
  10:00 and. Yeah, 10, we'll say 10:00
• 24:08
  roughly. And I remember waking up and,
• 24:10
  you know, I first have to use the bathroom.
• 24:12
  I need some help. My brother, he passed away two
• 24:15
  years ago now. I'm sorry to.
• 24:17
  Hear that? Yeah, He, he actually, he got
• 24:21
  big himself from depression and actually died of a heart attack
• 24:26
  early. He's like 40 years old,
• 24:27
  unfortunately. So yeah, but terrible.
• 24:30
  My he he was a really big godsend in my life when when I
• 24:35
  was so large. Like I remember when I woke up
• 24:37
  like 10 AM, my brother would hey, bro, I need to use the
• 24:41
  bathroom. And I literally couldn't use the
• 24:42
  bathroom by myself. I had to have him hold.
• 24:44
  I couldn't reach anything. Like my arms are so small.
• 24:47
  My gut was so big, I had to have somebody hold like a urinal over
• 24:51
  me so I could use the bathroom. And then I had to, and I had to
• 24:54
  use the, if I had to take #2 right, a bowel movement of any
• 24:57
  sort. I had to have somebody hold
• 25:00
  something like a pan or something for me to go in
• 25:01
  because I couldn't sit on a toilet because we were so poor.
• 25:04
  Our toilet didn't really support my weight anyway.
• 25:07
  So he had to help me with that. So he, he put up a lot with me.
• 25:11
  So I, you know, got the bathroom business out of the way.
• 25:13
  Time to eat. So eggs and sausage, A couple
• 25:16
  bagels. How many eggs?
• 25:19
  How many eggs I've? Probably had, you know, I've
• 25:21
  probably had about 5. I'm trying to remember, I think
• 25:24
  like 5 to 6 eggs. So not a ton, right?
• 25:26
  I mean, I eat that today. I don't care.
• 25:27
  I'm working out today. But yeah, you mean like 5 or 6
• 25:31
  or 8 pieces of sausage? You're talking about the pork
• 25:33
  sausage. Maybe 2 bagels or six pieces of
• 25:36
  toast. And then that was just warm up.
• 25:38
  Right now it's time for some cereal.
• 25:40
  So I would have a couple bowls of cereal, usually Raisin Bran
• 25:43
  Basic 4. This is all in the same setting.
• 25:47
  It was within an hour and a half from each other.
• 25:49
  Yeah, from from that. So I would graze a little bit
• 25:51
  and then go. Two scoops of two scoops of
• 25:53
  raisins, man. That's right.
• 25:55
  It's a vibrator, man. So yeah, like, it was a lot of
• 25:58
  food. And then I remember after that,
• 25:59
  I just go back to my bedroom, sit on my bed, watch some TV,
• 26:03
  play on my computer, do all those things.
• 26:06
  And then lunch time came around and I would probably walk down a
• 26:09
  pack of hot dogs, like just a ballpark Frank's or whatever, a
• 26:13
  whole pack by myself. Would you cook them first?
• 26:16
  Sometimes I eat them raw. Yeah, I'm a savage like that.
• 26:19
  Yeah, that's why I asked. Yeah.
• 26:21
  So I would eat them raw or cook them and I would have maybe four
• 26:24
  or five buns with that and then with that, like some Dutch
• 26:27
  pretzels or maybe some ramen noodles just kind of with that
• 26:30
  as well. Yeah.
• 26:32
  And then we lived above the convenience store and so, yeah,
• 26:36
  man, it was great. You're.
• 26:40
  Like next time you have me on this show, I wanna be on a beast
• 26:42
  guy again. But anyway, I'm looking at
• 26:44
  reminiscing here. I would manipulate my brother.
• 26:47
  He had autism and so he was easy to manipulate.
• 26:51
  And so I used manipulation to steal money in my mom's purse
• 26:55
  and go down to the store and purchase me some Snickers or
• 26:58
  Milky Ways cappuccinos or pizza or whatever, right.
• 27:00
  And you think mom would think where'll my money go?
• 27:03
  But I don't know, maybe she was careless of that.
• 27:05
  So I, I took a lot of money out of the and, or I would beg for
• 27:09
  stuff at the same time. So I would eat whatever, you
• 27:11
  know, a couple of Milky Ways or couple Snickers or something
• 27:13
  like that with a cappuccino, large cappuccino.
• 27:17
  And then that was snack usually after lunch or or the the mini
• 27:22
  Mart pizzas that are out there like somebody's convenience
• 27:24
  stores have pizzas. I would eat a whole one by
• 27:25
  myself and sitting maybe aside from one piece sometimes soda.
• 27:30
  Mountain Dew Code Red was my love.
• 27:31
  I love that because it was red. I would chug down like one or
• 27:36
  one of those a day here and there.
• 27:38
  Yeah, I was a savage man. I I just had such a addiction.
• 27:41
  And then dinner time came around and that was probably my
• 27:44
  healthiest meal. My parents made a side salad and
• 27:47
  I hate that. And then we'd have probably some
• 27:51
  sausage or hot dogs again or hamburgers, and I would have two
• 27:54
  with the buns. And we just have ice cream and a
• 27:57
  lot of chips after with that and a lot of ice cream after that.
• 27:59
  So I was, if I were to go back and guess the calorie amount,
• 28:02
  yeah, consuming about 5000 is. Yeah, that was my next question.
• 28:07
  So yeah, 5 to 6000 easy with no exercise.
• 28:10
  But just like anybody, your body required it at that time.
• 28:14
  You couldn't have just stopped doing that cold Turkey.
• 28:18
  You know, I probably could have toned it down, but here's the
• 28:20
  thing. I was addicted and I love the
• 28:21
  flavor of food and it was just unhealthy.
• 28:24
  It was, it was, I worshipped food.
• 28:26
  It consumed me instead of me consuming it.
• 28:28
  And that's where I was at. Yeah, the weird thing when my
• 28:31
  wife and I, when we had Nathan and Peter Ho on, we stopped, we
• 28:36
  stopped the bad starches. So the breads, the tortillas,
• 28:40
  you know, we, we already eat pretty healthy as it is.
• 28:44
  But I learned from that show with those guys about the
• 28:47
  gluten, how the starches can cause inflammation, stuff like
• 28:50
  the nineteen ingredients and and French fries, how many of those
• 28:53
  are, are in are inflammation causes, Right.
• 28:56
  So we stopped all that. Well, the interesting thing when
• 29:00
  I, like I said earlier, when I find something that works, I'm
• 29:02
  just tunnel vision. But when you'd ask the question
• 29:05
  about the cravings and stuff, it didn't, nothing really came to
• 29:07
  mind. And then I thought about, well,
• 29:08
  wait a minute. Because I was so used to having,
• 29:12
  I would make a homemade burrito every day.
• 29:14
  So it would be chickens and rice or you know, ground beef and
• 29:18
  rice with vegetables and stuff like that.
• 29:21
  Because to me that was a healthy alternative to the junk food
• 29:24
  because I met a big junk food guy, right.
• 29:28
  But I'd also have a tortilla for breakfast because I would make a
• 29:30
  breakfast burrito. Sometimes I'd throw it in a
• 29:31
  bowl, that type of thing. So when we stopped all that
• 29:36
  about a month or so into it, then it's kind of that thing.
• 29:39
  It's like, I and I don't, I haven't even felt burritos in
• 29:42
  years, right. But you drove by a Faberitos and
• 29:44
  all of a sudden your brain is like, oh, tortillas and tacos
• 29:48
  and cheese, you know what I mean?
• 29:50
  And but it which are so unhealthy.
• 29:53
  Just had tacos again last night. Right.
• 29:55
  So it's an unhealthy thing to pursue, but that that was the
• 29:59
  closest I could come to something that was that
• 30:01
  triggered a craving because I we stepped away from all the
• 30:05
  starches and the breads and the tortillas and the chips and.
• 30:08
  You know what though, when I was eating those tacos last night, I
• 30:10
  literally thought to myself, I know I'm Mexicans are some of
• 30:13
  the happiest people on earth because their.
• 30:15
  Food is. So delicious it's like it is.
• 30:18
  How can you not be happy when you eat that every day?
• 30:20
  Like when that's your. Culture.
• 30:23
  Yeah. And so that was the thing.
• 30:24
  That was the one thing that came to mind as far as the craving.
• 30:27
  And then as we've all talked about, you know, everything's in
• 30:30
  moderation. So it's not bad to have tacos,
• 30:32
  you know, once a week or every other week because you're not,
• 30:36
  it's not a consistent thing. So everything in moderation can
• 30:39
  be at some level. It's when it becomes a habit,
• 30:42
  yeah, then an addiction. Then we have a problem.
• 30:46
  Well, you can make them healthier too, that's the thing.
• 30:48
  Like I I can have tacos every day if I wanted to.
• 30:50
  I can. Eat corn, Healthias and.
• 30:51
  Lean meats and, you know, a little bit of.
• 30:53
  Dash. And if you go to a true Mexican
• 30:55
  restaurant, they try and push the corn tortillas on you
• 30:57
  because that's the way that they've eaten them for, you
• 31:00
  know, thousands of years. Yeah, Yeah.
• 31:02
  Flour is not healthy. No.
• 31:05
  White flour you want to avoid. I mean, even I remember the days
• 31:08
  where I was I when I was still mobile, I went with my friends
• 31:11
  and we when Subway was around when I was up in PA, we we ended
• 31:16
  up getting, I'd go to Subway and I'd buy 2 cold cut Subs.
• 31:19
  I would have the whole thing like 2 foot right there with,
• 31:22
  with two bags of chips and some soda and then wake up in the
• 31:24
  middle of the night because I was spading out at his house.
• 31:27
  I was still really large and so I don't know how I got out and
• 31:29
  everything, but I would. Then he was selling candy bars.
• 31:33
  I just remember the story. He was selling dollar dude.
• 31:36
  Yeah, midnight, 1:00 in the morning.
• 31:38
  I'm I'm searching through the house out in their living room
• 31:41
  and, and I found the candy bars and I just start I I think I had
• 31:44
  $5 on me, so I just grabbed $5, put it in there and I just, I
• 31:47
  think I even stole some. Don't tell him that, but I think
• 31:49
  like there was that going on confession time.
• 31:51
  That's how addicted I was though.
• 31:53
  Guys, it was crazy. It was those were those white
• 31:56
  candy brite. The wrapper was white.
• 31:58
  They had a real thin like base baseball or something.
• 32:01
  I remember son of A. Fundraiser.
• 32:02
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know exactly what you're
• 32:04
  talking about. Every now and then I still see
• 32:05
  him. Crunch bar they had a crunch.
• 32:07
  They had a peanut butter nougat 1 whatever I just one of each
• 32:10
  please and origin right there I I.
• 32:14
  And you know, that's a whole nother level of addiction,
• 32:17
  Justin. And I've been there.
• 32:19
  I'll admit it too. When you've stolen, when you're
• 32:21
  at your worst and you just have to have something when you've
• 32:26
  stolen to get it, that's a whole nother psychological level of,
• 32:29
  yeah, I am the biggest piece of shit on the planet right now,
• 32:33
  you know? I feel like the same part.
• 32:36
  It is. It's horrible.
• 32:37
  I was still. Is the power of the draw of?
• 32:40
  It is. What your brain I gotta have it
• 32:42
  right? I need that dopamine hit because
• 32:44
  that's all it is at the. End of the day, it kicks you
• 32:46
  man, it kicks you. I remember even stealing lunch
• 32:49
  lunches out of the refrigerators at work like I would.
• 32:51
  I would work a part time job as I was, it's overly large, but I
• 32:54
  was trying to get a job and do those things.
• 32:56
  And I remember like stealing food out of the refrigerator.
• 33:00
  It was somebody's lunch. And then they would come over
• 33:02
  later and say, have you seen my food?
• 33:03
  Absolutely not. Like that's a.
• 33:06
  Don't know what you're? Talking about Pat in the belly,
• 33:09
  No, I haven't seen it at. All right, what food?
• 33:12
  Wipe my face off because I still have some sauce on it.
• 33:14
  Yeah. That's crazy.
• 33:15
  Yeah, it was bad. So once.
• 33:18
  So you're 16 years old, you're obesely overweight, 799 lbs you
• 33:23
  go. You mentioned earlier your
• 33:25
  ambulance to a hospital. Yeah, So it was an insurance
• 33:29
  thing. I was so large and my parent, I
• 33:33
  haven't been to a doctor in over a year or so.
• 33:35
  And they were really on my mom and dad's tail saying we got to
• 33:38
  get you this, you got to get him checked out.
• 33:40
  He hasn't been checked out. He had a physical in a long
• 33:42
  time. And so they were threatening
• 33:44
  legal actions. I don't know how the whole thing
• 33:46
  played out. I don't know who exactly the
• 33:47
  insurance company was doing this or the doctor.
• 33:49
  I don't know exactly everything, but I know there was some like
• 33:52
  there was some type of concern happening and there.
• 33:56
  Was some trouble early neglecting you?
• 33:58
  They probably thought that I think my parents just didn't
• 34:01
  know how to parent me at that time.
• 34:03
  I think they were just like, this is my baby, what do I do?
• 34:05
  Let's enable. Him.
• 34:06
  But that's what the insurance companies or the Doctor were
• 34:09
  insinuating. At the I do, it's something
• 34:11
  along those lines. I would assume it's some kind of
• 34:13
  abuse or and things like that, like just they're neglecting
• 34:16
  this individual. And that's my assumption at
• 34:18
  least. Anyway, it was some kind of, it
• 34:20
  could have been legal issues. So we ended up having to go to
• 34:23
  the doctor. Well, I haven't been a doctor in
• 34:25
  about two years ish. A year and a half one, I think
• 34:27
  it was about a year and a half. Let's keep it safe with that.
• 34:29
  It's been a little bit, but we, I couldn't go cuz I couldn't
• 34:33
  even fit in a car. I don't remember how to even, I
• 34:35
  couldn't even walk that far. I'd probably walk about 5 to 10
• 34:37
  steps and have to get out of breath and sit down.
• 34:39
  So I remember they had to grab me a wheelchair.
• 34:43
  That was an extra extra large wheelchair, huge wheelchair.
• 34:46
  I barely fit in. They wheeled me up to a car
• 34:49
  about 30 feet away from my back door.
• 34:51
  That's where my driveway was, and then had to put me in a full
• 34:54
  size Oldsmobile Intrigue. They put me in the back.
• 34:58
  My dad pushed me in. I laid down the back seat and I
• 35:03
  didn't fit. And so he had to push the seats
• 35:05
  up as much as possible and push my leg in and quick and slam the
• 35:08
  door very quickly or my foot would have fell out.
• 35:11
  So it was it was a very uncomfortable five mile ride to
• 35:14
  the doctor's office. Got the wheelchair, went into
• 35:16
  the doctor's office. He saw me and he looks at me and
• 35:19
  said and his face, he didn't even say anything.
• 35:21
  He just went and they actually closed the closed the practice
• 35:24
  down and had maybe the last appointment.
• 35:26
  So I came after hours. So I was so insecure, didn't
• 35:28
  want anybody to see me. So he said, all right, come in
• 35:31
  at this time. We have a half a day, I think it
• 35:33
  was 1230. And so after lunch or whatever,
• 35:35
  they closed down. I go in on the last appointment
• 35:38
  and then hear the his face was like just shocked.
• 35:43
  He didn't even say a word, just shocked face.
• 35:45
  Looked me up and down, said we got to get him checked out,
• 35:48
  checked my heart, checked for fluid around the ankles, things
• 35:51
  like that and said, all right, we need to get him to a
• 35:53
  hospital. And so the next day an ambulance
• 35:57
  came to my house from Pittsburgh, or I don't know if
• 36:00
  they were from Pittsburgh, that's where they took me.
• 36:02
  And because I was in a small town, I was about four hours
• 36:05
  away from Bradford, PA and from Pittsburgh it's about four hour
• 36:10
  drive. So an ambulance came to my house
• 36:12
  to take me to Pittsburgh Children's Hospital and that's
• 36:15
  when they weighed me in from there, when they got me to
• 36:17
  Pittsburgh and I was almost £800.
• 36:20
  Wow. Insane.
• 36:23
  That's wow. So from from like, how long did
• 36:29
  it take you to actually get to 7?
• 36:30
  I mean, you don't know because you weren't waiting until you
• 36:32
  were 16, but when you were 14, you were obviously still heavy.
• 36:36
  But we was it a gradual weight increase over those 16 years or
• 36:40
  was it something that all of a sudden when you're 12, it's like
• 36:42
  game on and within those four you should pack on the weight?
• 36:46
  So I remember, I remember it, I, I was always a bigger kid.
• 36:50
  But then growing up about 9th grade, I went on the Atkins diet
• 36:54
  and I just started eating meat and cheese.
• 36:56
  My parents were doing the same thing and I actually dropped a
• 36:58
  good amount of weight. I was probably, I don't know
• 37:00
  what I weighed, but I was, I was definitely down in weight, not
• 37:03
  skinny by any means, but definitely healthier.
• 37:06
  And 9th grade that year, that was mid year because I went off
• 37:12
  the Atkins diet and we started eating whatever I wanted again
• 37:14
  from there. And then I think I was 15 and I
• 37:18
  was in 9th grade, maybe, maybe 15.
• 37:20
  Yeah, around 15 almost, I would say.
• 37:22
  And then what was it? 14?
• 37:24
  I remember the age, but I was, it was in 9th grade and I was
• 37:26
  that was on that diet. So I remember cooking class and
• 37:28
  and the cooking teacher was like, oh, you don't need
• 37:30
  anything else but meat. And I said, Nope, just meat
• 37:33
  carnivore, if you will. And then anyway, Long story
• 37:36
  short, about a year and a half ish a year and a quarter, I
• 37:41
  ballooned a huge amount of weight.
• 37:43
  I, I don't even know how much weight I put on, but I was
• 37:45
  thinner. And all of a sudden, I remember
• 37:47
  when I was 16, it was in the summer of 2003, I, I was waiting
• 37:52
  in August 2003, I was waiting at 799.
• 37:55
  So yeah, that, that was probably a year and a half that I, I
• 38:00
  ballooned up a good amount. I was just a lot of gorging and
• 38:03
  sitting and not moving. I just anxiety took a big toll
• 38:05
  on. Me.
• 38:06
  That's such a short amount of time it was.
• 38:08
  And how do you think the body, how that's going to respond?
• 38:10
  That's that's a big stressor, right?
• 38:12
  All of a sudden that's like. That's interrupt you, but let me
• 38:15
  ask you this real quick because I'll I'll probably forget it.
• 38:18
  Were you in pain? Like from inflammation from
• 38:21
  being that big? I had hip issues, my hips were
• 38:25
  bothering me. My legs, I couldn't stand very
• 38:27
  long. So sitting was the most I I
• 38:29
  alleviated, alleviated my pain pretty well.
• 38:31
  My sitting, I couldn't lay down, couldn't breathe, so I had to
• 38:35
  sit against the wall. Remember sitting against the
• 38:36
  wall at night sleeping and my bed was.
• 38:39
  Laid down to sleep. I couldn't, I, I could, I could
• 38:42
  wedge myself up. So I was kind of sitting maybe
• 38:44
  like that the most, but I would sit against the wall.
• 38:48
  Well, I've sat against the wall so much against my bed.
• 38:50
  I had my bed and I sit against the wall in my bed.
• 38:53
  The the drywall actually caved in and made a hole because I was
• 38:56
  leaning against it so many nights in a row.
• 38:58
  That is, yeah. It was bad, man.
• 39:00
  It was. It was, but I didn't realize how
• 39:03
  bad I'd become. That's the problem.
• 39:05
  Milk. Because it happened so quickly.
• 39:06
  Yeah, that's part of the problem is I'm glad he asked that
• 39:09
  question because that time span is just mind blowing.
• 39:14
  To go from, you remember in junior high being a reasonable
• 39:18
  size to now I'm a sophomore and I'm 799.
• 39:23
  Yeah, that's nuts. I wish I remember the actual
• 39:27
  weight I was. I was probably high 200, maybe
• 39:30
  almost 300. So I was still a big kid, like I
• 39:32
  said, but you know you. You still packed on 405 hundred
• 39:36
  pounds in like 4 1/2 months. Yeah.
• 39:39
  And, and there was, there was, there was no trigger for that,
• 39:41
  right. It's just you just started, you
• 39:43
  did the Atkins diet, you stopped, and then you just went
• 39:46
  back to your old habit. Yes, I fell in love with food
• 39:51
  again in an unhealthy way, and that's what just it just clung
• 39:53
  to that. Yeah, and it's like, oh, that
• 39:56
  dark mistress showed back up. Yeah.
• 39:59
  So now when? When you when you because we've
• 40:01
  talked about some of the cravings and stuff.
• 40:03
  So like could you sit down and eat like a an entire 8 inch
• 40:06
  round three layer cake with no. Problem yeah, I remember man,
• 40:13
  it's like it's it's so funny to talk about your past
• 40:16
  experiences, especially if you feel like part of me feels
• 40:18
  shameful about it but then I remember how much of an example
• 40:21
  this is and it can be fun I. Have fun.
• 40:23
  It's yeah, dude, it's a huge, I'm just, I'm, I'm the same way.
• 40:26
  Like it's, it has more value coming from Someone Like You
• 40:30
  who've been there done that and it's completely turned your life
• 40:33
  around. Then somebody who, you know,
• 40:37
  maybe they, they like, like I could train people because at my
• 40:41
  worst when I was drinking, I was, I was 240 lbs.
• 40:44
  So now and I'm six feet. So 240 to 6 feet was, I was out
• 40:48
  of shape. I was unhealthy.
• 40:49
  Now I'm about 177 to 100, you know, between 75 and 188, you
• 40:54
  know, fluctuates, but I've been there, done that.
• 40:58
  So I have validity, I have credibility.
• 40:59
  If if someone asked me, hey, how did you do that?
• 41:02
  I, I tell them, right. And so you have so much power
• 41:05
  with your story and people need to hear it because obesity,
• 41:09
  America is one of the most obese countries in the world.
• 41:13
  So I love your story. I love your approach to it.
• 41:16
  So the other important part is the fact that you can laugh
• 41:20
  about it now because humor is huge, right?
• 41:23
  You know, I'll out us and I do it all the time.
• 41:27
  Before we hit record here, Justin was kind enough to call
• 41:30
  Chris and I gentlemen, and he just figured out.
• 41:32
  Why that was not? The proper term, because we have
• 41:36
  such a dark sense of humor from where we both been.
• 41:40
  We were both in very dark places in different situations, right?
• 41:44
  If you can't let go of that and use it as a positive step
• 41:50
  forward, you're always going to live in that place in the past,
• 41:53
  right? We can't talk about that.
• 41:56
  Well, now you're stuck there. That's that's something you put
• 41:59
  in a safe in the back of your mind and you're you have to deal
• 42:02
  with it eventually. So I appreciate the fact that
• 42:05
  you use humor. Yeah.
• 42:07
  Oh, Mary Hart does good like medicine.
• 42:09
  That's that's an old scripture reference that I would go to.
• 42:11
  Right. So you got it.
• 42:12
  You got to laugh and I think you can't live in shame because
• 42:15
  that's your old you. I mean, you, you can, you can
• 42:17
  live in victory. In victory, though, you don't
• 42:19
  have to be a victim, right? So yeah, I I probably, I could
• 42:21
  probably slam down. I mean, I think I remember a
• 42:24
  birthday cake of the whole a sheet cake.
• 42:26
  It was a good size. I don't remember the actual.
• 42:28
  One of those, one of those sheet cakes.
• 42:30
  A sheet. Yeah, the sheet.
• 42:31
  Cake. That that would probably, I
• 42:32
  don't know, feed maybe about 12 people or so yeah, for a decent
• 42:36
  size, I mean, I'm talking like a decent size piece.
• 42:38
  Sure I could, I could slam I probably slammed about 3/4 of
• 42:41
  that down because everybody else had a piece too, right.
• 42:43
  So I. People's mothers would say there
• 42:45
  better be leftovers. Ain't no leftovers.
• 42:48
  This guy. I went and I just would go from
• 42:50
  piece to piece though I would I would literally have three
• 42:53
  pieces and then a bowl of ice cream with that.
• 42:56
  And then I would couple of minutes, maybe about 1020
• 42:59
  minutes later, nobody's watching.
• 43:00
  My parents might be watching TV. I'm gonna go back at two more
• 43:03
  slices. And then I would just start
• 43:04
  taking the whole sheet and just kind of taking my hands and just
• 43:07
  eating it and eating it and eventually becoming oblivious to
• 43:10
  what I was and how much I was eating.
• 43:12
  Just kind of fell into it a trance.
• 43:13
  Yeah, yeah, it came. It became, it became a habit.
• 43:16
  And when, when, when stuff becomes a habit, often times you
• 43:19
  stop thinking about what you're doing because it's it's second
• 43:22
  nature. It's a habit.
• 43:23
  Like I don't think about drinking water in the morning
• 43:25
  because I just get up and drink water in the morning.
• 43:27
  Good example. It's, it's a habit, right?
• 43:30
  You don't think about your your night time routine because guess
• 43:33
  what? It's a habit, you know, and
• 43:37
  that's what people don't don't. I don't.
• 43:39
  From an addict standpoint, that's part of our problems
• 43:42
  because it's just becomes part of who we are.
• 43:45
  Yeah. Right.
• 43:46
  Yeah, it's, it's just like a, it's like a common just trait
• 43:49
  that we carry with us. But you know, I mean, I would
• 43:53
  just eat so much, but ice cream sandwiches, a whole box of
• 43:56
  those. I mean, I, I was just, I was
• 43:57
  just so I would slam. I look at these influencers out
• 44:00
  there today that make money off of monetizing overeating like
• 44:03
  some of these like. I would eat a whole pizza in
• 44:05
  less than an hour, you know? Things like that.
• 44:08
  I find myself watching those me like I could have schooled these
• 44:10
  fools, you know, and if I would have just did it over again,
• 44:16
  man, no, but it's it is. That was great.
• 44:20
  Yeah, that was awesome. I just bought you.
• 44:22
  I'm like, that used to be me. I could kill you bro, you know?
• 44:25
  So, so from so take you down, so back, let's go back to the
• 44:31
  hospital. You're checked in the ambulance.
• 44:33
  Get you there. You're 799 lbs.
• 44:35
  What's the health? What's your health like at that
• 44:38
  point in time? 16 years old, Yeah.
• 44:41
  Yeah, so good news. I mean, I, I just saw the hand
• 44:44
  of God's favor over my life at that point.
• 44:46
  I mean, I remember the only thing I had was sleep apnea.
• 44:49
  And that was because when I laid down my, my, my weight would
• 44:53
  kind of smother me, right. So I stopped breathing about
• 44:58
  they think they said I think it was like 7060.
• 45:02
  Some of the 70 sometimes an hour respiration wise I would stop
• 45:06
  breathing. So it was pretty severe sleep
• 45:08
  apnea put me on a bi pap machine, not a not AC pap.
• 45:11
  Bi pap was continual airflow. The C pap kind of just flies in
• 45:15
  and then levels out. Breeze in kind of has a ramp.
• 45:18
  The BI pap was just forceful continuation up and down that I
• 45:22
  remember correctly if I remember that.
• 45:25
  Correctly, but it was. Like that?
• 45:26
  Did you realize during that time how, what, like much better you
• 45:31
  were sleeping after they did that?
• 45:33
  Because you couldn't have been sleeping very well waking up 70
• 45:36
  times an hour? Yeah.
• 45:38
  I remember, I remember not wanting to wear it at first
• 45:42
  because they have a mask and you put it on.
• 45:45
  Like, I remember feeling like that was, I was wearing it and
• 45:47
  it was smothering a little bit. So it took me a while to get
• 45:51
  used to it. But after I got used to it,
• 45:52
  yeah, my, my sleep became very, very well rested when I woke up.
• 45:56
  I remember. You had to have noticed a huge
• 45:58
  difference. Yeah, after a while, but, you
• 46:00
  know, being a teenager, I didn't really care back then.
• 46:01
  But I'm thinking back and how much I slept better.
• 46:04
  I slept better. I remember, like, not remember
• 46:06
  exactly how I felt, I guess more like I just was able to think
• 46:10
  more clearly and it wasn't so cranky.
• 46:13
  So I do remember those little little tips there.
• 46:16
  But yeah, yeah, the sleep apnea was one thing, and then I had
• 46:21
  the iron oxygen, hadn't anything else.
• 46:24
  I mean, my, my cholesterol levels are very low.
• 46:26
  Blood pressure was normal. My heart rate, though, was
• 46:30
  elevated. I remember, I think it was like
• 46:33
  when I was sitting there, it was almost a hundred 110 just
• 46:37
  sitting because it was such a yeah, trying to.
• 46:40
  Pump your blood through all that, yeah.
• 46:42
  Yeah, because what they say normal resting heart rate and
• 46:45
  they're saying normal between 6100.
• 46:46
  Well, honestly, hundred's not really normal.
• 46:49
  It's on the far end of normal. It's unless you have a disorder
• 46:52
  or some kind of issue with the heart electrical system, then
• 46:54
  that's not really normal. So you, I mean today it's like
• 46:58
  5550. Eight.
• 46:59
  Yeah, my my resting heartbeats 54.
• 47:02
  Yeah, beautiful. That's great.
• 47:04
  So that was the only. Those are the only two things
• 47:06
  that I remember them saying. I mean, and I was obese.
• 47:09
  That's amazing. No, but that's amazing.
• 47:11
  But that probably a lot of that has to do with the fact you're
• 47:13
  only 16 years old, right? And from what we've kind of
• 47:16
  gathered in the conversation that was an 18 month pack on.
• 47:19
  So it's not like you were slowly, I'm not saying killing
• 47:22
  yourself, but you weren't slowly, you know, adding, you
• 47:25
  know, every year £100, a hundred pounds, £100.
• 47:28
  It was a dramatic increase in weight in a short amount of
• 47:31
  time. So that is impressive.
• 47:33
  That definitely good news from that aspect, right?
• 47:38
  Yeah. So, So what was the, what was
• 47:40
  the, what was the game plan when you, when you, when you're in
• 47:43
  the hospital, what were they going to do?
• 47:44
  What was the strategy? And did you start your weight
• 47:47
  loss journey after the hospital stay or did it take a while?
• 47:50
  The hospital stay was the initiator.
• 47:53
  So I was in there probably about two to three weeks.
• 47:57
  It was like beginning mid August, somewhat to the end of
• 48:01
  August because I remember school was starting soon.
• 48:03
  So in Pennsylvania, it starts at the end of August, I believe.
• 48:07
  And remember being in there not knowing what they're going to
• 48:10
  do. They talked about vigorous
• 48:11
  rehabilitation. That sounded painful.
• 48:13
  I was like, I don't really want to do vigorous rehabilitation,
• 48:16
  but they talked about maybe putting me into a hospital
• 48:20
  somewhere that helped me lose weight quicker, but they didn't
• 48:23
  have any beds available for me. So what they did is First off,
• 48:27
  they started walking me a little bit.
• 48:28
  I couldn't walk very far, but I remember the first time they had
• 48:31
  me up and walking, they kind of helped me roll out of bed.
• 48:34
  I had one of those things that hangs out from the ceiling to
• 48:37
  pull myself a little bit like a bar.
• 48:41
  Yeah. Got my legs over, started
• 48:42
  cramping up so bad it was miserable.
• 48:44
  But when I eventually got those cramps and started subsiding, I
• 48:47
  had these two really beautiful nurses walk in and say, hey,
• 48:50
  we're going to take you for a walk.
• 48:51
  And that was motivation, city routine.
• 48:52
  Especially my 16 year old. Damn straight that's right.
• 48:56
  Like bro. 'S going to walk today, right?
• 48:57
  So so they one hug, one grabbed me from one side, 1 grabbed from
• 49:03
  the other side and ended up walking me probably about 10
• 49:07
  maybe 10 to 12 feet and then I cramped up so bad I had to go
• 49:11
  back and sit back down. So.
• 49:13
  Wow, that was my massage. You bummer.
• 49:16
  I did. They didn't.
• 49:18
  Do it though they. Didn't do it.
• 49:20
  They just said sit there and just kind of like rub it out.
• 49:22
  I'm like, OK, you know, but isn't.
• 49:24
  That your job to rub it out, nurse.
• 49:27
  Yeah, you're the professional. Yeah, please.
• 49:29
  I can't even reach my feet. Please AM.
• 49:31
  I doing this. Right, right.
• 49:33
  Yeah. But, you know, just taking the
• 49:36
  first steps like that are painful.
• 49:37
  But here's the here's the good news.
• 49:39
  They had me up and moving and I remember standing even for like
• 49:42
  2 minutes was a record for me. At that point, my back would
• 49:44
  start aching. But the perseverance aspect of
• 49:47
  it because you know, all of a sudden it's like life starts to
• 49:51
  make more sense to you. And like you kind of I guess
• 49:54
  reality was this, if I didn't do something, I was going to die.
• 49:57
  That, I mean, you're in a. Word from your position right
• 50:00
  but from a health standpoint you really wouldn't have died
• 50:03
  because you only your heart rate was elevated, but part of that
• 50:06
  was because the obesity he. Would have if he was packing on
• 50:09
  200 lbs. Oh, this is.
• 50:10
  I guess that's months. I mean, and think about the
• 50:13
  pressure on the heart too. Your heart's designed to hold.
• 50:15
  On. You hit the nail on the head,
• 50:16
  Chris. He was 16 years old.
• 50:17
  By 26, he was dead. Yeah.
• 50:20
  Oh yeah, OK, I could see that. So my, my journey was I was
• 50:24
  basically killing myself, what I was eating in my habits and I
• 50:28
  did have a opportunity to like think about life a little deeper
• 50:31
  because I'm like, what, what am I doing here as a 16 year old?
• 50:35
  I'm trying to ponder this and do I want to live like this the
• 50:38
  rest of my life? Do I really want to be this guy
• 50:41
  that just eats food and trying to put it in a 16 year old head?
• 50:46
  I didn't want to be like that. I wanted to date girls one day.
• 50:49
  I wanted to play football. I wanted to like, I want to be
• 50:54
  around and watch what happens next in WWF or E, right?
• 50:56
  I want, I want to be all that stuff.
• 50:58
  Like Pinocchio, I want to be a real boy.
• 51:00
  I want to be a real boy. I mean, the fairy godmother.
• 51:03
  Well, that's when I did have a relationship with Jesus and
• 51:07
  started at that point. And that's what really changed
• 51:09
  my outlook on myself. Now at a teenage years, I didn't
• 51:13
  know what that meant really. I mean, I I would still be the
• 51:15
  guy that said, all right, I believe in Jesus and look at
• 51:17
  porn or, you know, I'm leaving Jesus, but I'm going to go swear
• 51:20
  and do my thing. I don't care what anybody says.
• 51:21
  Like, you know, so very selfish in my heart.
• 51:24
  But I did have a faith that really captured my heart and
• 51:27
  really captured who I was and that changed me.
• 51:29
  And so because here's the thing, the biggest change for me at
• 51:32
  that point was this. I went from not loving myself
• 51:35
  and hating myself what I become because image is everything as a
• 51:38
  teenager. And if you're look called fat or
• 51:41
  looked at because I I was called a bunch of names in school
• 51:43
  because I was. Kids are brutal, man.
• 51:45
  They're terrible. And that was what went with me
• 51:49
  as I was living life and and being large.
• 51:53
  And I kind of claimed that over my life and eventually just came
• 51:55
  to a point where I'm like, you know what?
• 51:57
  I don't like who I am. I don't like what people have
• 51:59
  called me. I don't want to be the fat guy
• 52:01
  anymore. I I need help.
• 52:03
  And that's when I said God help me, Jesus help me in this
• 52:05
  process. And I started finding more value
• 52:07
  in my life at that point, as much as I could understand it,
• 52:10
  I'm like my life means something more than just eating food.
• 52:14
  My life means something more than just existing.
• 52:17
  And so God, do what you want to do with it.
• 52:19
  And that was my simple prayer that motivated me to look at my
• 52:24
  my experience a little differently.
• 52:26
  And then suddenly from there, I'm like, I'm going to give this
• 52:29
  thing what I have to get healthier again.
• 52:32
  And I didn't know I was going to live or die, to be honest,
• 52:34
  because at that age and that weight, I just felt like life
• 52:37
  was over because there's how do you get out?
• 52:40
  It's like if you guys ever had, if you ever would take something
• 52:44
  like maybe hold 100 lbs of something and just put it on
• 52:47
  your lap and try to get up and just feel how difficult that is
• 52:51
  and just think about that tension all the time.
• 52:53
  And it's like a prison. You just, it's like you're
• 52:55
  shackled. You just can't move very well.
• 52:56
  I have a friend right now, Justin, who had the lap band
• 53:00
  surgery. He was well over 400 lbs, and he
• 53:04
  just weighed in last Monday. I think he said he was 251.
• 53:08
  And the pride in his face and to look at him and how much better
• 53:13
  he moves and how happier he is, it just, it really brought tears
• 53:17
  to my eyes. I was like, congratulations,
• 53:19
  man, because he's trying and he's doing the work.
• 53:22
  And it is. It's outstanding.
• 53:25
  And I think about what you said, and I tell people it's like that
• 53:29
  guy was carrying around another 200 lbs.
• 53:31
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 53:35
  It was a lot and it. Yeah.
• 53:37
  You were carrying around another 500 lbs.
• 53:41
  True story, yeah. Now with with you and with you
• 53:44
  being it was 59, right or 510. I was 5/8, a little over a
• 53:48
  little over 5/8. Is that how tall you are now,
• 53:50
  5/8? 58, we'll call it 58.
• 53:52
  OK, I haven't been in a while. I'm sure I am.
• 53:54
  OK. Crush a vertebrae, right?
• 53:57
  Well, no, I reason when I had neck surgery, man, I shrunk a
• 53:59
  little bit because they took, they took a vertebrae out and
• 54:02
  legit I, I'm like, I call bullshit.
• 54:03
  I'm like, I'm shorter now come on.
• 54:05
  So when, when, Oh hell, I forgot my question.
• 54:10
  It was a good question too. Oh, I'm that's what it is.
• 54:14
  So, so according to the, the chart that, you know, like I
• 54:16
  could Google it height. What should your weight be at
• 54:19
  according to the American standards as far as a as a
• 54:21
  healthy. Spot 160.
• 54:23
  It's 160 ish yeah, it's so it's stupid like there's no.
• 54:26
  He's an inch shorter than me. Mine's 165.
• 54:29
  OK. Yeah, 160.
• 54:30
  Is that that total? But like I said earlier, if they
• 54:33
  don't factor in the muscle and they'll factor in what you're
• 54:35
  doing, like you can be a bodybuilder and be obese just
• 54:37
  because that's where you categorize on the BMI.
• 54:40
  Well, here's the difference. I got up to 185 when I was on
• 54:45
  antidepressants, whatever you want to call them.
• 54:47
  Mood enhancers. I was fat, there's no question.
• 54:51
  But had I been working out, I wouldn't have been fat.
• 54:54
  I know, I know what you're saying.
• 54:56
  You know, if if I had been conscious of going to the gym
• 54:59
  and keeping up on maintaining the calories I was putting in,
• 55:04
  that's a whole different story, right?
• 55:06
  Because now you're healthy. Yeah, exactly, exactly.
• 55:10
  There's this difference. There's difference.
• 55:12
  I mean, you take care of yourself and you're gaining
• 55:14
  muscle and you're you're losing fat.
• 55:16
  You're in a better place. You're just in a better place.
• 55:19
  And so that's where I'm at today.
• 55:20
  I mean, I had to learn a lot over the process of this whole
• 55:23
  thing. I mean, I fell in love with
• 55:25
  health and Wellness. I fell in love with taking a
• 55:28
  life and making it healthier with things that we're able to
• 55:31
  use here on this earth to do that.
• 55:32
  I mean, that can be food, that can be exercise, that can be
• 55:36
  supplements, that can be getting sunlight, all the different
• 55:40
  things I've just studied, studied, studied since I was
• 55:42
  about probably 18 or 16 years old.
• 55:44
  I started studying because that's when I had a
• 55:45
  transformation and I just wanted to learn everything I could.
• 55:48
  So I read magazines back then and rented or got books from the
• 55:51
  library. I remember when when the
• 55:53
  Internet was more prevalent with websites, I could start Googling
• 55:55
  things and searching, you know, health and Wellness stuff.
• 55:58
  Today it's everywhere in a saturated.
• 56:00
  There's so many voices and some of the stuff I call bull crap on
• 56:03
  other things, you know, people are just trying to get views and
• 56:06
  it's just like you're deceiving so many people.
• 56:08
  And the second thing is there's a lot of good information out
• 56:10
  there. So, but how do you differentiate
• 56:12
  that? You have to know your stuff,
• 56:14
  right? So that way you offer as a
• 56:19
  health and Wellness coach is basically deciphering the good
• 56:23
  from the bad. Here's what I've found will help
• 56:26
  you. And it's worth the money and the
• 56:28
  time and the investment because that's a big thing.
• 56:30
  It's not just the money, it's your time and investment and the
• 56:34
  negative attributes to your body for the people who are snake oil
• 56:38
  salesman, for lack of a better term, right?
• 56:40
  Yeah, yeah, I, I do so because of my love for health and
• 56:45
  Wellness and my love for helping people become healthier because
• 56:48
  I see people differently today. I see people as opportunities
• 56:52
  when they're sick or unhealthy. I see their I see their health.
• 56:54
  I can see the beyond the sickness, beyond the obesity.
• 56:57
  And I can see them shining. I can see them happier.
• 57:00
  And so that these that just, it makes me feel so very much
• 57:04
  inspired to go help people. So I work for a company right
• 57:07
  now called Energized Health, that's a cellular health company
• 57:10
  that's out there that does amazing things.
• 57:13
  And number, what we prioritize is this, we prioritize fat loss,
• 57:17
  we prioritize cellular health. So getting hydrated at a
• 57:20
  cellular level that's really changed your health in general
• 57:22
  and really improve and reverse conditions that people have.
• 57:25
  We've seen people get off medications, people started to,
• 57:28
  I mean, pain levels have gone way down, reversals of certain
• 57:31
  diseases, like it's crazy when it happens, when you hydrate
• 57:34
  your cell, so. How do you hydrate?
• 57:36
  How do you hydrate yourself? Because I've never heard this
• 57:38
  before. I mean, are we talking just
• 57:39
  water and electrolytes or just. So that's a starting point, but
• 57:42
  it's a whole energized health, it's a whole protocol.
• 57:44
  So yes, water electrolytes are a primary starting point, but then
• 57:47
  there's these other, we will call them sequences that we use
• 57:51
  to help people really stick that water there and continue to
• 57:55
  throw out toxins from the cells. So it's very scientific and it's
• 57:58
  all, it's sequenced in such a way to make it work and do well.
• 58:01
  So we share that with the program.
• 58:03
  But yeah, it starts with that. And when people do that, we've,
• 58:06
  I've literally seen people get off all their medications.
• 58:08
  I've seen people who couldn't walk start walking again.
• 58:12
  Like you think this is like we're, we're sitting in this
• 58:15
  fairy tale, but honestly, it's not people, people because they
• 58:18
  take their health seriously, they recover.
• 58:20
  It's amazing. So and then we prioritize muscle
• 58:23
  gaining, which is so important, muscles of longevity, organ.
• 58:26
  And so we really, really stress gaining muscle for your current
• 58:31
  situation, for quality of life, but also for quantity later on
• 58:34
  in life. So that's what I do today.
• 58:35
  I coach people plus I author books and I'm also having I have
• 58:39
  a podcast called £600 Down which I go on there and share a lot of
• 58:43
  information. Y'all need to be on that
• 58:45
  sometime soon by the way because you guys.
• 58:46
  We'd love to, man. Yeah, absolutely.
• 58:49
  I think together we're we're we're what, 300 lbs Mike and I,
• 58:55
  yes. So like, you're half a 600 that
• 58:58
  works. Yeah, we would love to man that.
• 59:00
  Sounds awesome, yeah. Yeah, that's so good.
• 59:02
  I so I love what you're doing now because that's fantastic.
• 59:06
  So you have the epiphany when you're 16, something's got to
• 59:11
  change. So you, you, you start walking
• 59:13
  this new path. How long did it take you to, to
• 59:16
  get from £600 to what you felt was a healthy weight?
• 59:20
  Because obviously your journey is still continuing, but to
• 59:22
  where you could wake up at the morning and say, Oh, I feel
• 59:24
  good. And the, and the other thing,
• 59:26
  this is a weird little question, but it's, I meant to ask it
• 59:29
  earlier. So I'm doing a little rabbit
• 59:30
  hole thing. When you were £800 essentially,
• 59:34
  and you would look in the mirror, what did you see?
• 59:37
  Did you like what you saw? Did you recognize the fact that
• 59:40
  you're this £800 human? Or did you just kind of just
• 59:44
  filter that, that out? Because obviously you, you
• 59:47
  weren't in a good place mentally, right?
• 59:50
  So that's just always kind of intrigued me of what you what
• 59:53
  you, what's yourself image of your, what's yourself worth,
• 59:56
  what's yourself image? When you look in the mirror and
• 59:58
  say, you know, Oh my God, I can't believe I got to this far.
• 1:00:01
  Or do you even see it? Does it even register?
• 1:00:03
  You know what I'm saying? I it's interesting because I
• 1:00:08
  would never want to look at myself in the mirror.
• 1:00:10
  I when I was that large, I would avoid cameras, I would avoid
• 1:00:13
  pick people seeing me. I'd hide.
• 1:00:16
  I mean, I didn't when people came to visit, I would not want
• 1:00:18
  them to come to my room. All the things so I wouldn't
• 1:00:21
  care to look in the mirror because I didn't care about
• 1:00:23
  myself enough to see that, because I didn't see myself in
• 1:00:25
  such a light. That's.
• 1:00:26
  Interesting. Yeah, not even even to see if
• 1:00:28
  what's on my face. I did check my face out.
• 1:00:29
  All the acne I had to get off when I was a kid, but other than
• 1:00:33
  that I didn't care well and I still kept, I remember because I
• 1:00:37
  was so large. I would go to, I was probably
• 1:00:39
  £500, still kind of mobile, still doing like still being
• 1:00:42
  going around. And I would go to my friend's
• 1:00:44
  houses randomly here and there because I would get out still
• 1:00:47
  maybe 480 but really close to 500 I feel like.
• 1:00:50
  And I'd go to their room and play video games and I would
• 1:00:53
  break their bed just sitting on it.
• 1:00:55
  Wow. And I remember going out to
• 1:00:57
  restaurants and sitting on the chairs and bending the the legs
• 1:01:01
  on some of these chairs. And so when I was losing, when I
• 1:01:06
  was on my journey, yeah, I still had it in my mind, even if I was
• 1:01:10
  like £300 or less, I still had in my mind that if I sat at
• 1:01:13
  anything, I would probably break it.
• 1:01:16
  And it wasn't true, but it was like this in my head.
• 1:01:18
  And then finally I started seeing myself in the mirror.
• 1:01:21
  I'm like, I'm starting to see muscle definition.
• 1:01:24
  I'm starting to see life get better.
• 1:01:26
  My body's starting to change. And I started actually not
• 1:01:29
  loving myself per SE, but just starting appreciating the
• 1:01:32
  differences and changes. So I started getting pictures of
• 1:01:35
  myself. I started doing all the things I
• 1:01:38
  did have some skin reduction surgeries completed that
• 1:01:41
  ultimately guys, it was amazing how they came about.
• 1:01:43
  They were free except for I think I put in like $200 at the
• 1:01:48
  most for three different surgeries. 2 of them were from a
• 1:01:51
  doctor in New Jersey. His name was Doctor Barry D
• 1:01:53
  Bernardo. He's probably still there.
• 1:01:55
  It's in Montclair, NJ, and he's a, he did the surgeries for free
• 1:02:00
  because I was in some magazines and he saw that start.
• 1:02:02
  He saw those and he's like, yeah.
• 1:02:04
  So he's like, hey, let's do this.
• 1:02:05
  So he did some, he did some surgeries for skin reduction.
• 1:02:09
  He, I think he did two. He did two of them.
• 1:02:12
  And then I had a third one completed recent, five years ago
• 1:02:16
  now in Pittsburgh with Doctor Rubin.
• 1:02:18
  And my town in Bradford really got behind me and they, they
• 1:02:22
  helped me raise. I think it was like $68,000 that
• 1:02:27
  I needed around there to, to really have another surgery done
• 1:02:31
  and get my legs completed and stuff like that.
• 1:02:33
  So I've had some good surgeries completed.
• 1:02:36
  So now I can look at myself and say I can see more muscle
• 1:02:38
  definition. I still have some skin and I
• 1:02:41
  sometimes get a little self-conscious about it.
• 1:02:42
  But working back to where I was, it's it's night and day.
• 1:02:46
  OK so here's my rabbit hole question since Chris drugged me
• 1:02:50
  down. You mentioned earlier that you
• 1:02:53
  couldn't go to the bathroom and God bless your brother for
• 1:02:56
  helping you out. That there's that's a great
• 1:03:00
  human being. Could you bathe yourself at your
• 1:03:04
  largest without breaking the tub or?
• 1:03:08
  Guys, I couldn't even take a bath.
• 1:03:09
  I couldn't even. We didn't even have a working
• 1:03:11
  shower. Actually, I remember we were so
• 1:03:13
  poor, we didn't even have an operating shower.
• 1:03:15
  We had an operating bathtub, but.
• 1:03:17
  So did your brother help you with that too as.
• 1:03:19
  Far as. Sponge bath.
• 1:03:21
  I got sponge baths. My parents actually gave me
• 1:03:23
  showers outside with a when I could still walk a little bit
• 1:03:29
  with a hose and. Garden hose.
• 1:03:31
  The yard. My mom was like trying to shower
• 1:03:33
  me as I was. Yeah.
• 1:03:35
  So I mean, I would I would try to reach under my folds as much
• 1:03:38
  as possible, but they really had to help me with things.
• 1:03:41
  And I just think that puts it into perspective for people.
• 1:03:43
  It's like, you know, things that you get up and do every day
• 1:03:46
  that, like Chris said, you don't even think about.
• 1:03:48
  You take for granted you just couldn't do those things at all.
• 1:03:53
  No. So you so how long has it taken
• 1:03:59
  you to get to pull the weight off from this from the £800 to
• 1:04:02
  weigh you? Like I said earlier, where you
• 1:04:04
  you were, you were finding comfortable in your own skin.
• 1:04:06
  And like you alluded to, you kind of answered the question,
• 1:04:08
  but you didn't give me a time frame.
• 1:04:10
  And I'm that guy that likes. Talking about 8 years, about 8
• 1:04:12
  years, I felt comfortable about 8 years.
• 1:04:14
  So it was I lost. 24 at that point.
• 1:04:18
  Yes, yes. So I lost 200 lbs in one year,
• 1:04:22
  200 lbs in a second year. So I was £400 in two years and
• 1:04:26
  then it was very slow. Six years after that it was just
• 1:04:30
  kind of like 20 pounds, 40 lbs or whatever, right?
• 1:04:32
  Just kind of like slow, slow, slow.
• 1:04:34
  To the eight-year mark, 8 years, I relapsed a little bit and
• 1:04:38
  started gaining some weight back, like 60 lbs.
• 1:04:40
  I probably was about 270 ish at that point.
• 1:04:44
  And then I just started getting serious again and here I am
• 1:04:48
  today. I was.
• 1:04:49
  The lowest I was at was around 199-202-0220 two.
• 1:04:54
  But were you happy with that? I, you know, I wasn't really
• 1:04:57
  happy because I was getting too thin and I wanted to, I wanted
• 1:05:00
  to put some muscle on. So that's why I really started
• 1:05:02
  really working the weights and everything like that.
• 1:05:04
  So I'm at 211.6. Sometimes I'll be at 2:09.
• 1:05:07
  I go, I fluctuate 209 to 213. Basically is where I end.
• 1:05:10
  Up now when you when you weigh yourself because like my wife,
• 1:05:13
  you know, women like to weigh theirself every day.
• 1:05:15
  I'm like, you can't weigh yourself every day.
• 1:05:17
  You pick one day a week. You weigh yourself the same
• 1:05:19
  exact time once a week, because that's a true, Yep, it's a true
• 1:05:23
  reflection of, of what work you're doing or not doing.
• 1:05:26
  Right. So I'm just Sunday morning,
• 1:05:28
  7:00. I'll wean myself when I get up.
• 1:05:30
  That's it. Where she'll like every other
• 1:05:32
  day. I'm like, can I stop?
• 1:05:32
  Especially women, because women carry water different, you know,
• 1:05:36
  they hold things different. They're not like men.
• 1:05:38
  They you know, so it's it's like, I can go, we can go walk
• 1:05:41
  for an hour and I'll burn like 700 calories or should burn like
• 1:05:44
  400. So I'm like, you just can't,
• 1:05:46
  right. So it's just that one time a
• 1:05:48
  week to get your reference and then go from there, at least in
• 1:05:52
  my world. Yeah, Yeah, That's all true.
• 1:05:56
  Yeah. Exercise is so vital for me
• 1:05:57
  today, too. It's just every day I'm moving.
• 1:05:59
  Every day you develop these habits, guys, and you just The
• 1:06:03
  thing is, you're never, we're never gonna make it.
• 1:06:07
  So when I said eight years, I'm still, I mean, it's been 22
• 1:06:11
  years now for me, sure. And I learned something new
• 1:06:14
  every month, every year. And I'm not the same guy I was
• 1:06:17
  last year. I'm a totally different guy
• 1:06:18
  today. I'm like, I'm doing 75 hard
• 1:06:20
  right now. I've never done that.
• 1:06:21
  Oh. Right on.
• 1:06:21
  I've done that a couple times. That's fun.
• 1:06:23
  Yeah, it's really, it builds your discipline.
• 1:06:25
  It's really amazing. So I've been doing it with a
• 1:06:26
  group of guys right now. Cool.
• 1:06:29
  It's working well. I'm liking it, but I'm not doing
• 1:06:31
  it for weight loss per SE. I'm doing it to like body
• 1:06:33
  composition. Right.
• 1:06:34
  See, I can. I couldn't do mine for weight
• 1:06:35
  loss either because I had, I fell into it by accident because
• 1:06:38
  I was at Orange Theory one day and somebody was talking about
• 1:06:41
  it and I was listening. I'm like well I read every day
• 1:06:44
  and I eat insanely healthy as opposed to most Americans and I
• 1:06:50
  was already doing 2 workouts a day because it my last three 2-3
• 1:06:56
  years in oratory I would do back-to-back workouts Monday,
• 1:06:58
  Wednesday and Friday and just do one on Tuesdays, Thursdays.
• 1:07:01
  But my wife and I were always doing something in the morning
• 1:07:02
  or at night so I was already working out like 15 * a week.
• 1:07:05
  I'm like well this is stupid I might as well just do this
• 1:07:08
  because I'm already doing it right.
• 1:07:10
  So, but again, my problem tunnel vision, then I ended up
• 1:07:14
  breaking, I ended up having a stress fracture in my second
• 1:07:17
  metatars on my right foot because I don't listen to my
• 1:07:19
  body. I just I just kicked my own ass
• 1:07:22
  because, you know, I was at my absolute best fitness, which was
• 1:07:28
  last year before I broke my before we decided to put myself
• 1:07:31
  in a boot, I was 173 lbs. I had like 8% body fat.
• 1:07:35
  My BMI, which we've already talked about that skewed I was
• 1:07:38
  23.1 70 for 72% of my body was muscle.
• 1:07:44
  You know, then you have the water weight and the fat, but it
• 1:07:47
  literally I, I miles in under. I did back-to-back miles in
• 1:07:50
  under 6 minutes as a, as a 53 year old who grew up with asthma
• 1:07:56
  that moved to Arizona because I was going to die with asthma so
• 1:07:58
  bad. So my journey was, was from 2015
• 1:08:02
  and it's still going on, like you said, because when you're,
• 1:08:06
  when you're a big person and I wasn't anywhere near you, I was
• 1:08:09
  like I said, 2:40. But the shift and it takes a
• 1:08:12
  while. Like people don't get how long
• 1:08:15
  it takes. So that's why I asked that
• 1:08:17
  question because I mean, £200 a year back-to-back years is
• 1:08:21
  phenomenal. But that was obviously weight
• 1:08:23
  that your body was just trying to get rid of to begin with
• 1:08:26
  because now you kind of struggle.
• 1:08:27
  So when we, when I got released from my neck surgeon, I started
• 1:08:30
  Isagenix and, and started Orange theory.
• 1:08:32
  That was in October of 14. So by January of 15 I was down
• 1:08:37
  to 166 lbs. But there was no muscle, right?
• 1:08:41
  I was just, I was just a skinny and my wife hated it because
• 1:08:44
  there was no definition. So it took 5-6 years
• 1:08:49
  consistently working out to build the muscle to get to where
• 1:08:53
  I had a solid foundation. And then you just build on top
• 1:08:55
  of that. So what you're doing is an
• 1:08:57
  accurate approach in, in my eyes anyway, 2 living a healthier
• 1:09:02
  lifestyle and now you're building the muscle.
• 1:09:04
  So we have to have you back on in a year just to see.
• 1:09:06
  Yeah. Dude.
• 1:09:08
  Because I think you're going to be phenomenal in a year if you
• 1:09:10
  continue working out, adding muscles.
• 1:09:11
  So then your physique is going to be better.
• 1:09:14
  The more muscle you add, the healthier you feel, the more
• 1:09:16
  active you feel, the more energized you feel, the clear
• 1:09:18
  your mind is. It's, it's a whole encompassing
• 1:09:20
  thing when you, when you start living a fully, you know, tunnel
• 1:09:25
  vision towards healthy lifestyle that a lot of people don't get.
• 1:09:29
  But when you when you do it, it's the end result's fantastic.
• 1:09:33
  Absolutely. And I'm taking progress.
• 1:09:35
  You take progress picture every day with 75 hard so you have to
• 1:09:37
  take a progress picture. So I have those pictures and I
• 1:09:40
  can just compare those to the future.
• 1:09:42
  Yeah, so it's good. I appreciate that and anything I
• 1:09:45
  would just give people advice like if you're listening to this
• 1:09:47
  and you're sitting there and you're like, man, what do I do?
• 1:09:49
  How can I'm not a weight lifter about this?
• 1:09:51
  If you can just do basic things like even just every 5 minutes
• 1:09:54
  if you want to, or every hour you'd want to walk for 5 minutes
• 1:09:57
  up and down your hallway. Just stand up for a little bit
• 1:09:59
  and see if you're sitting down all day.
• 1:10:00
  Just start somewhere. But if you're already used to
• 1:10:02
  working out, challenge yourself with something different.
• 1:10:04
  Do something different. Do like you do like carry stuff
• 1:10:06
  around your yard or or go for a hike or anything that you could
• 1:10:10
  do to get something different. Your body adapts.
• 1:10:12
  So when you have muscle adaption, you're not going to
• 1:10:15
  burn as many calories, You're not going to have a big
• 1:10:17
  thermogenic effect from weight loss because your body's used to
• 1:10:20
  what's happening. So invest in more energy by
• 1:10:22
  doing some different, different things.
• 1:10:24
  So I would just say start somewhere and you can make it
• 1:10:27
  your own thing. Have fun with it a couple times
• 1:10:28
  a week. Build up from there.
• 1:10:30
  Keep the end in mind where you want to be and then work on it
• 1:10:33
  from there. Take some steps.
• 1:10:34
  That's how I would suggest starting today.
• 1:10:37
  I like that. Keep the end in mind.
• 1:10:38
  That's cool. Yeah, you just can't take the
• 1:10:41
  whole thing in one thought, right?
• 1:10:43
  That's the key is when I started my recovery, I took it 10
• 1:10:48
  seconds at a time. That's how addicted I was,
• 1:10:51
  right? It wasn't minutes, it was
• 1:10:53
  seconds. That's.
• 1:10:54
  Amazing though. Yeah, yeah, we had.
• 1:10:56
  We had one of my friends on the show who's who's a local
• 1:10:59
  entrepreneur, but he's also huge in the peptides and his dad
• 1:11:02
  would preach to him inch by inches of cinch.
• 1:11:04
  Yard by yard is hard, but it's the same concept like you have
• 1:11:08
  in order to win, to win in your profession.
• 1:11:10
  I've talked about this before. You got to win the day, so you
• 1:11:13
  got to have certain amount of hours that are productive for
• 1:11:15
  you, win the day. Then you got to have at least
• 1:11:16
  four to seven days a week to win the week.
• 1:11:18
  And you got to have at least 16 out of 30 days a month to win
• 1:11:21
  the month, right? You got to have at least the
• 1:11:23
  majority of the year. So, you know, 8 months or nine
• 1:11:26
  months out of the year to win the year because everybody's
• 1:11:29
  going to lapse. Right.
• 1:11:30
  Well, just like you just laid it out, you lost all your weight,
• 1:11:33
  but it took you years to get to where you're at today, right?
• 1:11:36
  You didn't wake up looking like you do today.
• 1:11:38
  That's not going to happen overnight.
• 1:11:40
  Justin didn't wake up looking like he does.
• 1:11:42
  I've been fascinated for the whole time we've been sitting
• 1:11:44
  here that this guy was £800, right?
• 1:11:47
  It's just, I'm so happy for you. That's what I, that's what I see
• 1:11:51
  the whole time I've been looking is how happy I am for you that
• 1:11:54
  you were able to enjoy life again.
• 1:11:57
  That's the one thing that I hope for any addict is that they
• 1:12:00
  overcome it and that they're able to be happy again.
• 1:12:03
  I love living life. I love waking up every morning
• 1:12:05
  because the one thing that I always tell people is being an
• 1:12:09
  addict is you think that you're doing something that's different
• 1:12:13
  in taboo and oh, I'm getting away with this, but really it's
• 1:12:16
  Groundhog Day. It's the same day every day when
• 1:12:19
  I wake up. I don't know what's going to
• 1:12:21
  happen now because I'm clear. I'm, I'm facing the world head
• 1:12:25
  on. You know, you don't know what's
• 1:12:26
  going to happen that day. And that's the fun part about
• 1:12:30
  it. You know, when you're an addict,
• 1:12:31
  that scares you to go out into society and have to live and
• 1:12:35
  face people because you're an addict.
• 1:12:38
  But that's the part you don't realize.
• 1:12:39
  That's kind of a catch 22. Yeah, Yeah, it is.
• 1:12:43
  I just love the concept of of you just said those second by,
• 1:12:46
  you know, 10 seconds, 10 seconds is yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:50
  I mean that that's, that's really a way to look at
• 1:12:52
  everything. I mean, if you're, if you're
• 1:12:55
  able to get 10 eventually you're able to get 11.
• 1:12:56
  If you're able to get 11, you're able to get 20 eventually and
• 1:12:59
  eventually 20 days, eventually 20 years, eventually lifetime.
• 1:13:04
  Right. And life is perspective for
• 1:13:05
  everyone, right? It's all in how you look at
• 1:13:07
  things. Somebody might look at something
• 1:13:09
  negatively and you look at it and say, well, don't you see
• 1:13:11
  this? You know, right?
• 1:13:14
  Yeah, that's good. That's good perspectives,
• 1:13:17
  everything. So what's the typical day for
• 1:13:19
  Justin Willoughby now? Man, I'm a beast.
• 1:13:22
  Tell you what. So I get up, I do I'll have a
• 1:13:27
  little bit of protein just to keep my muscle cuz I do workout,
• 1:13:30
  I do do cardio, I do weight. So I have a little protein,
• 1:13:33
  usually a protein shake. I'll go to the gym within 1/2
• 1:13:36
  hour waking, hit some red light therapy just for skin
• 1:13:38
  mitochondrial function. I'll hit the, I'll hit the
• 1:13:42
  weights for, I'll warm up on a treadmill or something first for
• 1:13:44
  like 10 minutes, then go to the weights for about 45 minutes to
• 1:13:47
  an hour, usually hitting two muscle groups.
• 1:13:50
  So it could be back and chest or it would be biceps and triceps,
• 1:13:55
  things like that. So I'll do that for a little bit
• 1:13:58
  and then I'll go to the cardio for an hour.
• 1:14:00
  I do unless I'm stressed for time.
• 1:14:02
  I usually do an hour cardio every day at the gym and then
• 1:14:06
  I'll go home, I'll get a shower, I'll do my thing and then I'll
• 1:14:09
  have my breakfast, which I have about a 500 calorie breakfast
• 1:14:13
  and then it's filled with protein.
• 1:14:14
  It's high in protein, right? I was going to say, but high in
• 1:14:16
  protein. Yeah.
• 1:14:17
  Yeah. So that's that's the thing that
• 1:14:19
  people kind of mis misunderstand sometimes when they're trying to
• 1:14:21
  get healthy. It's not so much about the it's,
• 1:14:24
  it's not so much about the low calorie diet, you know, or
• 1:14:27
  lifestyle. It's.
• 1:14:28
  What calories you're putting? In exactly.
• 1:14:30
  Right, exactly. If you took a doughnut, that's
• 1:14:34
  500 calories. But it's shit.
• 1:14:36
  But if you take 500 calories of eggs and Turkey sausage, it's
• 1:14:40
  good healthy protein. Good point, Justin.
• 1:14:43
  Go on with your day, man. But would I yeah, no, it's good.
• 1:14:47
  I like your passion behind it. I, I'll go ahead and I'll have
• 1:14:50
  those like I'll have two or three whole eggs and they'll
• 1:14:52
  have 1/2 cup of egg whites with that and that would be my
• 1:14:55
  protein source. Sometimes might have a, a Greek
• 1:14:57
  yogurt with that just for more protein depending if it's a a
• 1:15:00
  large muscle group day and I worked them hard, I'll have more
• 1:15:03
  I might even take if I don't have that much, I might take
• 1:15:05
  some essential amino acids like perfect aminos or opto aminos
• 1:15:09
  just to make sure I get enough protein adequately to heal the
• 1:15:11
  muscle and help it regrow. And then I do like fermented
• 1:15:16
  foods everyday too, like sauerkraut.
• 1:15:17
  I'll do that with some cinnamon and a little bit of shot of
• 1:15:20
  olive oil, extra virgin and then a little bit of honey because
• 1:15:24
  all that is a really good gut microbiome health bomb, if you
• 1:15:27
  will. So I'll have that with a fruit
• 1:15:29
  with my eggs. And so we're at about a 500
• 1:15:31
  calorie breakfast. I'll go for a little walk after
• 1:15:34
  breakfast for like 10 minutes just to balance blood sugar.
• 1:15:37
  And then usually outside in the sun, if it's shining, it's nice.
• 1:15:40
  Winter time's a little harder, but I do it.
• 1:15:43
  And then I usually sit. I work I'm, I'm a coach and I'm
• 1:15:46
  on Zoom calls all day long most of the time or, or doing
• 1:15:49
  projects on the side with them or recording a podcast,
• 1:15:51
  whatever, right? Just a lot of time sitting, but
• 1:15:54
  I'll try the standing desk. I stand up.
• 1:15:56
  Sometimes I sit, but usually stand.
• 1:15:58
  I'll have weights or, or things in my room, in my office here
• 1:16:01
  and I'll start doing some weights for like 30 seconds to a
• 1:16:04
  minute, you know, whatever. I'll just take like break every
• 1:16:06
  hour and do something for 5 minutes and then get back to
• 1:16:10
  work. And and that's and that's super
• 1:16:12
  important boys and girls because everybody is leaves such a
• 1:16:14
  sedentary lifestyle, especially when they work and they're
• 1:16:17
  behind a desk in front of computer.
• 1:16:19
  I catch myself because I get in the zone.
• 1:16:21
  My wife says I have ADHD but I'll end up now do something.
• 1:16:24
  All the sudden 3 hours later, I'm still sitting on my desk.
• 1:16:26
  He's only known you for an hour and he figured it out, right?
• 1:16:29
  So, so, but I'm that thing now where I, I, I, I'm going to go
• 1:16:33
  to my office. I, I do my phone and I, I set it
• 1:16:36
  for an alarm every hour on the hour.
• 1:16:38
  So then when it goes off, I just, I'll just walk around the
• 1:16:41
  office or I'll go outside. We have this weird dog dog run
• 1:16:45
  type thing in front of our office because it's a unique
• 1:16:47
  building. But but it's so true.
• 1:16:49
  You get up and walk around for 10 minutes.
• 1:16:51
  The difference of how you feel just for that 10 minutes is
• 1:16:55
  fantastic. Absolutely.
• 1:16:57
  So very mindful consideration there to think about.
• 1:17:00
  Even if you don't, even if you're not healthy and you're
• 1:17:03
  trying to send a get started walk an hour ago, just go for a
• 1:17:07
  walk. It's that simple.
• 1:17:08
  Start there and and build off that.
• 1:17:11
  You don't, you started. By moving what, 12 steps?
• 1:17:14
  Yeah. 10 to 12 steps exactly. Look at Justin 12 steps.
• 1:17:18
  When I say one step at a time, we're talking to the living
• 1:17:21
  example. There you go.
• 1:17:22
  Back down. Just one step at a time, right
• 1:17:25
  in one ways right now, which is yeah, once again I'm.
• 1:17:28
  That's that's all. Happy man.
• 1:17:29
  Yeah, that was my. Old motto one step I I believe
• 1:17:32
  in that, but then the rest of the day like I'm I'm eating you
• 1:17:35
  know I have like a protein bar and maybe maybe like a yogurt.
• 1:17:39
  I do a lot of protein all day long.
• 1:17:41
  I'm probably gathering because of my fitness level, because of
• 1:17:44
  what I'm doing. I'm probably getting about .7
• 1:17:47
  grams of protein per pound of body weight right now, so
• 1:17:50
  equals. About so you're making sure your
• 1:17:52
  protein bars don't have like, yes, things that breakdown into
• 1:17:56
  sugars. So, yes, I, I'm very careful
• 1:17:59
  about protein, but I don't, I don't do artificial sweeteners.
• 1:18:01
  That's junk. It's going to kill you.
• 1:18:02
  Just get away from that. You know, I just do things with
• 1:18:06
  like even stevia is questionable, but I do stevia.
• 1:18:09
  It is. I'll do monk fruit.
• 1:18:10
  Yeah. So it's a little better, but I,
• 1:18:12
  you know, but yeah. I do honey instead of sugar and
• 1:18:15
  sugar honey, honey. Honey's great.
• 1:18:17
  Yeah, honey's great, honey. I do.
• 1:18:20
  I do sweeteners like monk fruit. I really enjoy monk fruit
• 1:18:22
  sweetener. But yeah, I'll I'll probably eat
• 1:18:25
  about 5 meals a day. And a quick fact for the ladies
• 1:18:28
  and gentlemen out there is Chris likes to call the boys and girls
• 1:18:31
  at home and around the world, do not put metal anything in your
• 1:18:36
  honey or it destroys the properties, the antioxidant
• 1:18:40
  properties that you're trying. To get shit.
• 1:18:42
  That's good. That's good.
• 1:18:44
  Chris Dunham, did you not know this?
• 1:18:45
  No, I stir my coffee with the metal spoon.
• 1:18:48
  Stop it, honey. And.
• 1:18:49
  Buy one of those wooden damn it, you're destroying the
• 1:18:52
  antioxidant properties of your. Well, that explains so much.
• 1:18:56
  I just. Learned eating honey.
• 1:18:57
  On the same thing, yeah, you don't want to overheat honey
• 1:19:00
  either, because that takes away the antioxidants and
• 1:19:02
  polyphenols. I don't heat it, I just pour it
• 1:19:03
  in the coffee, but I. Yeah, well, sometimes you have
• 1:19:05
  to heat it. Like I buy it by the gallon from
• 1:19:07
  the guy that I get. Sometimes you got to heat it up
• 1:19:10
  to get the stuff back together. What are they?
• 1:19:13
  Called it. It's raw.
• 1:19:15
  Yeah, it gets it gets weird crystallized crystallize a good.
• 1:19:20
  So raw local honey, organic raw local honey is always the best.
• 1:19:23
  Local honey just because of your area you live in is good for
• 1:19:26
  allergens. But honey is like a super food.
• 1:19:28
  You can people like you do studies on that.
• 1:19:31
  What was that? We got one.
• 1:19:32
  We got one at the corner that sells honey and yesterday he was
• 1:19:35
  selling honey and watermelon. Oh, nice.
• 1:19:37
  That's a good combo. That's great.
• 1:19:39
  Yeah, that's amazing. Let's go.
• 1:19:42
  Watermelon, it's really good for you.
• 1:19:43
  Actually, yeah, watermelon is really good for you.
• 1:19:46
  If you don't know that boy, you know, listeners and viewers,
• 1:19:48
  check it out. Google Watermelon, it's really
• 1:19:50
  good for you. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:19:52
  Great. It is great for you.
• 1:19:53
  There's a lot of great foods. Food can be food can be medicine
• 1:19:56
  for a lot of things. You know, if we just start
• 1:19:58
  cleaning it up now, get rid of the processed sugars, get rid of
• 1:20:00
  the the junk, the white flours, that's a great starting point.
• 1:20:03
  Get rid of the. I mean, that's all you got to
• 1:20:05
  do. Just start there.
• 1:20:06
  That's a really. Good baby step, baby step,
• 1:20:08
  right? You know you're not going to go
• 1:20:09
  to zero to 60 like some of us addicts do.
• 1:20:13
  And that's the biggest thing too.
• 1:20:14
  And then we can wrap this thing up.
• 1:20:16
  The whole thing is why I don't like diets, right?
• 1:20:17
  Because they're fads and then they're, they're quick results.
• 1:20:21
  Now. Ozempic wasn't designed for
• 1:20:24
  weight loss. It was designed for diabetes.
• 1:20:25
  It was a byproduct, right? Well, I always like.
• 1:20:27
  To say everybody reverts back to the mean, right?
• 1:20:30
  Right, right. So you get you get instant
• 1:20:33
  results because you're you're shortcutting it.
• 1:20:35
  You've told yourself I'm going to try this for a while.
• 1:20:37
  Everybody does the same thing. I'm going to give this a shot.
• 1:20:40
  However you say it, it's not This is the way I'm going to
• 1:20:42
  live my life. Exactly.
• 1:20:44
  To your point in that it has to be a lifestyle change, you have
• 1:20:48
  to say in your mind from this day forward, I'm not going to do
• 1:20:53
  this anymore and I am going to do this.
• 1:20:56
  There's no quick fix. There's.
• 1:20:57
  No quick fix. And it's hard.
• 1:20:59
  Not everybody can be somebody like me that stops drinking one
• 1:21:02
  day and that's it. And I did.
• 1:21:03
  The same thing I chose not to do certain drugs for the rest of my
• 1:21:07
  life. I've never done them since
• 1:21:08
  that's. Amazing.
• 1:21:09
  So baby step but have support. Reach out to Justin he will
• 1:21:13
  coach you. He will help you on your weight
• 1:21:15
  loss healthy lifestyle journey, won't you?
• 1:21:18
  Been there done that guys. I've been through so much like
• 1:21:21
  experience screams, right? Yes, I am certified through
• 1:21:25
  energize health. That's another Ave. you can go,
• 1:21:27
  but cool. Yeah man, if you just want some
• 1:21:29
  help and assistance, I'm there. I am there social media.
• 1:21:32
  You can always contact me, but I have plans that you dream of
• 1:21:37
  participating in to see the results.
• 1:21:39
  I've just found it all. It's.
• 1:21:40
  Amazing. I believe that because you have
• 1:21:41
  a very good vibe about you, man. I can see why you're successful
• 1:21:44
  at what you do. You make you made me feel
• 1:21:46
  comfortable and you're on our show, so that's great.
• 1:21:49
  I love it. So Justin Willoughby, you can
• 1:21:52
  find him online, Facebook, Instagram too.
• 1:21:55
  Yep, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok.
• 1:21:57
  I'm on all that. YouTube £600 down podcast £600
• 1:22:01
  down podcast. Burped out of my weight loss
• 1:22:04
  story so you can listen to that as well.
• 1:22:06
  Cool. And yeah, if you guys need
• 1:22:07
  anything, I'm here. Well, huge congratulations to
• 1:22:10
  you man. So like I said, once again, I'm
• 1:22:12
  so happy for you, man. Appreciate it guys.
• 1:22:14
  That's an amazing story. Definitely.
• 1:22:16
  We'd love to come on your show and and talk more about whatever
• 1:22:18
  you need to talk about because it's your show.
• 1:22:21
  But again, check out Justin Willoughby on all the social
• 1:22:23
  media platforms. YouTube £600.
• 1:22:26
  My £600 journey. It's £600 down close. £600 down.
• 1:22:30
  Sorry, I hate when I did that. £600 down.
• 1:22:32
  Fascinating human. He's done it right.
• 1:22:36
  And again, we can't champion him enough because he's been there,
• 1:22:39
  done that. You, you want, you want to learn
• 1:22:41
  how to do things from somebody that's been there and done that
• 1:22:43
  because they can relate to every aspect of your struggle and they
• 1:22:47
  can help you along your journey to change your life.
• 1:22:50
  That's part of the reason we do this.
• 1:22:51
  So thank you for coming on and telling your story because I
• 1:22:55
  think people will get a lot out of, you know, if they're in the
• 1:22:58
  same position as you. Like Chris said, you are the guy
• 1:23:01
  to say you can do it because you're looking at somebody who's
• 1:23:05
  been there. Yeah, that's huge.
• 1:23:08
  Yeah, and I and I've watched those shows.
• 1:23:10
  I've watched the, the, the £600 life.
• 1:23:12
  So is my wife. So I get it then.
• 1:23:13
  I mean, that's why somewhere because of my questions came
• 1:23:16
  from because it's one of those things that's like now we're
• 1:23:18
  talking to somebody that's actually lived that life, you
• 1:23:21
  know, and on TV, you don't know what's what's, what's really
• 1:23:24
  real or not or what's what's, you know, written up and
• 1:23:27
  scripted because you got to have the drama.
• 1:23:29
  So thank you so much for being vulnerable and sharing your
• 1:23:32
  story with us. That was fantastic.
• 1:23:34
  Love that. I loved your transparency, your
• 1:23:36
  honesty and you know, your triggers.
• 1:23:39
  What made you turn? What made you shift?
• 1:23:40
  That was that's an inspiring story.
• 1:23:43
  You're a superhuman because of that.
• 1:23:45
  So no bullshit. We'd love to come on your show.
• 1:23:48
  We'd love to have you come back in a year.
• 1:23:49
  Just Tran, you know, look about your journey again, because I
• 1:23:53
  think in a year you kind of rule, you know, Arnold
• 1:23:55
  Schwarzenegger going on, you know?
• 1:23:57
  Little little Hulk Hogan going on.
• 1:23:59
  God bless his soul. God, God, yeah, somebody's got
• 1:24:01
  to. Take over for the Hulk.
• 1:24:02
  That's right. What a terrible run of deaths,
• 1:24:05
  man. I know this.
• 1:24:06
  Month this year, right? It's crazy.
• 1:24:09
  Blew me away. So anyway, without, and then we
• 1:24:11
  found out that Anne Burell, they actually confirmed it was a
• 1:24:14
  suicide, which, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:24:17
  They found her unresponsive in her in her brownstone in New
• 1:24:21
  York with bottles, empty bottles and pills all around her in the
• 1:24:25
  shower, collapsed. So it was assumed, right?
• 1:24:29
  But now they they confirmed it yesterday.
• 1:24:31
  This goes to show you, you never know what people are going
• 1:24:33
  through. Which is why if you're feeling
• 1:24:36
  depressed or down, reach out to somebody that you can talk to,
• 1:24:40
  journal it, you know, scream in your room, whatever you have to
• 1:24:44
  do. Don't be the person that takes
• 1:24:46
  your own life because somebody's going to miss you and Somebody
• 1:24:49
  Loves You whether you know it or not.
• 1:24:50
  Don't leave a hole in somebody else's heart because you were
• 1:24:52
  struggling. Reach out, find help.
• 1:24:54
  Tomorrow is a better day. You'll wake up feeling a lot
• 1:24:56
  better. So just find your son, find some
• 1:24:59
  peace today, chill out, relax, be here tomorrow because
• 1:25:02
  somebody will miss you because somebody does love you even
• 1:25:05
  though you don't may not realize it or not.
• 1:25:08
  Mike Michaels, Kristen, Justin Willoughby, the man behind the
• 1:25:11
  transformation of losing 600 lbs.
• 1:25:14
  So find him on all the social medias.
• 1:25:16
  Justin, we totally want to have you back on.
• 1:25:18
  Thank. You, Yeah.
• 1:25:18
  Thanks again, man. Thank you guys.
• 1:25:20
  Fantastic story. My pleasure, thank you so much
• 1:25:23
  for having me today. Y'all have great.
• 1:25:24
  Lives, absolutely. We're going to put your links
• 1:25:26
  and stuff on our page too. So perfect.
• 1:25:29
  Until next time everybody see you.
• 1:25:30
  Peace. The place where you will go
• 1:25:47
  behind your eyes.
• 1:26:06
  Moment look at you and see you fight the battle.
• 1:26:10
  That's you for queer. Fight the battle, but you for
• 1:26:16
  queer. Who is this baby to you?
• 1:26:25
  Oh yeah, who is this to you? Come down here, we haven't
• 1:27:43
  bounced all this in the sand. You just bump fighting wait for
• 1:27:49
  the dead. We're.
• 1:27:51
  Just going to the. Rabbit and get put in the wind.
• 1:27:53
  You ain't no creature we're playing smile.
• 1:27:58
  You just you quit on the almighty day.
• 1:28:03
  You got to dream. Who in your life to keep us all
• 1:28:08
  in every man. Take your turn behind your eyes.
• 1:28:16
  Feel the soul revolution now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:28:26
  yeah, yeah. Take a moment.
• 1:28:29
  We can see you see him fight the battle in two more clear.
• 1:29:01
  You gotta, you gotta. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta.