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Ep. 287: Mastery, Archery, and John Dudley · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark kenyans episode number two eight seven, and
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  Speaker 1: today I'm joined by John Dudley, host of knock On
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  Speaker 1: TV and the knock On Podcast, to discuss the concept
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  Speaker 1: of mastery and the work, ethic and focus required to
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  Speaker 1: achieve that level of success in the world of archery
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  Speaker 1: and bow hunt. It all right, welcome to the Wired
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  Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx, and today we've
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  Speaker 1: got John Dudley with us. And he's a guy that
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  Speaker 1: likely needs no introduction, but just in case you're not
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  Speaker 1: familiar with him. He is the host of knock On
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  Speaker 1: TV and the knock On Podcast. He's competed in an
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  Speaker 1: uncom noble number of professional archery competitions, and he's one
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  Speaker 1: of the, if not the leading expert and coach in
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  Speaker 1: the modern archery world. Now, as many of you know,
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  Speaker 1: the summer, we've been doing this kind of series of
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  Speaker 1: episodes in which we're chatting with different elite performers across
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of different fields about the rough teams and
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  Speaker 1: training regiments and practices that have led them to success
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  Speaker 1: and whatever it is they do, and then finding out
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  Speaker 1: how that can apply to hunting. So today with John,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna take that idea and apply to archery. And
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  Speaker 1: this conversation we discussed some high level concepts around the
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  Speaker 1: idea of achieving mastery in a given field, and then
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  Speaker 1: we hear yet another perspective on how to prepare for
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  Speaker 1: high pressure situations and then finally dive deep into a
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  Speaker 1: whole slew of different expert level archery questions. And uh,
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  Speaker 1: I brought someone else on the show to help me
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  Speaker 1: do that, because you know, I take my archer pretty seriously,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm no means close to where John's at. Um
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  Speaker 1: I've still got a whole lot of learning to do
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  Speaker 1: as many No, I've been working through target panic issues lately,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, just just kind of following actually a lot
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  Speaker 1: of things that John is teaching to try to achieve that.
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  Speaker 1: So to dive in deeper than even I could go,
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  Speaker 1: I brought my buddy and frequent contributor Andy may on
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  Speaker 1: to help me do that. And if you heard episode
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  Speaker 1: two four, you know how serious Andy takes archery and
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  Speaker 1: the attention to detail that applies to that pursuit. So
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  Speaker 1: that thing the case, he seemed like the perfect guy
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  Speaker 1: to join me and co hosting this one, and I
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  Speaker 1: think he'll give us an even more unique perspective from John.
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  Speaker 1: So that is the plan. In just a minute here
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  Speaker 1: I'll be joined by both John Dudley and Andy May,
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  Speaker 1: and we're gonna dive into a fascinating conversation that I
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  Speaker 1: think can help but make all of us better archers
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  Speaker 1: and hunters. All right, now, joining me and Andy is
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  Speaker 1: John Dudley. Welcome back to the show. John, Thanks man.
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  Speaker 1: How's it going. It's good. I think the last time
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  Speaker 1: we chat on the podcast was maybe two or three
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  Speaker 1: years ago. Um, so it's been a long time coming.
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  Speaker 1: By making the time to do this, Yeah, you're welcome.
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  Speaker 1: Time flies. I was thinking the other I was thinking
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  Speaker 1: the other day for some reason, I thought I was
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  Speaker 1: only doing my podcast for about a year, and then
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  Speaker 1: I started going back and I thought, Okay, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: don't even want to I don't even want to know
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  Speaker 1: how I blanked out that much time in my life.
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  Speaker 1: I feel the same way, especially with a with a kid.
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  Speaker 1: Now it's like a year passes and I have no
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  Speaker 1: idea what happened to it. Um, it's easy to let
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  Speaker 1: it get away from you. So, given the fact that
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  Speaker 1: time is money, in time is our most valuable commodity,
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking rather than you know, the usual chit chat
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  Speaker 1: beating around the bush type of stuff that sometimes happens
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  Speaker 1: on podcasts, I kind of want to just jump right
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  Speaker 1: into the hairy stuff. Are you are you up for that? Gem? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's fine. So we're doing this series UM this summer.
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  Speaker 1: We're we've been talking to a whole bunch of different people,
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  Speaker 1: um that are high achievers or high performers or peak
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  Speaker 1: performers and in some kind of field um, and just
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  Speaker 1: kind of studying all the different things that make those
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  Speaker 1: people tick. So what are the practices and the habits
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  Speaker 1: and the routines, what are their training regiments? Like, what's
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  Speaker 1: what are these key things that make people, um, really
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  Speaker 1: good at whatever it is that they do. And then
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out, you know, how can we take
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  Speaker 1: stuff from those folks and apply that to what we're
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  Speaker 1: doing as hunters. You are like a perfect example like this,
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  Speaker 1: it seems from the outside looking at least because of
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  Speaker 1: the success you've achieved on the archery side, and then
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  Speaker 1: how you've applied that to bow hunting too, And with
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  Speaker 1: all that being the case, on top of your own experience,
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  Speaker 1: just like kind of watching you from far and listening
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  Speaker 1: to podcasts and seeing different things you've done, Like you
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  Speaker 1: surround yourself with a lot of people like this, whether
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  Speaker 1: it's Joe Rogan or Marcus ab Orr, Cameron Haynes or
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  Speaker 1: Andy Stump, whoever it is. I just feel like you've
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  Speaker 1: been able to to interact with a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: that have kind of achieved this like mastery of something
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  Speaker 1: or another. And I'm kind of curious when you hear
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  Speaker 1: that term, John mastery in your context, like what is
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  Speaker 1: the mean to you? What does it mean to achieve
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  Speaker 1: mastery of something? And then what do these people that
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  Speaker 1: you know that have achieved mastery? What stands out to
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  Speaker 1: you is is being consistent across all of them? Well,
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  Speaker 1: definitely work ethic is the most consistent. I think. I
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  Speaker 1: think people that have that they naturally gravitate to each
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  Speaker 1: other as well. You know, all of these really cool
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  Speaker 1: all of these really cool personalities that I've been really
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  Speaker 1: fortunate to kind of continue to snow snowball with it
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  Speaker 1: just it I think a lot of that continues to
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  Speaker 1: snowball because of there's a really cool time right now
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  Speaker 1: with social media where if you are kind of a
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  Speaker 1: positive force that way, you're more exposed to other people
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  Speaker 1: that that like that, and all of those people want
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  Speaker 1: those kinds of people around them, and so they so
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  Speaker 1: they naturally reach out. You know, I continue, he tried to.
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  Speaker 1: I continually try to avoid relationships that are that are
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  Speaker 1: negative or people that don't follow through with what they
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  Speaker 1: tell me that they're gonna do. You know, if if
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  Speaker 1: someone promises me something, it's like, I I get it.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes you forget, but there comes a point in time
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  Speaker 1: where you've given him enough benefit of the doubt. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, if every single time you go in their
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  Speaker 1: bedroom so to speak, and you're stepping over a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of dirty crap on the floor, I mean it goes
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  Speaker 1: back to my first my very first roommate when I
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  Speaker 1: was set to play college football. You know, his room
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  Speaker 1: was a dump. Uh you know, he never did dishes,
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  Speaker 1: and he was always you know, barely did laundry, and
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  Speaker 1: you know what, he barely got by with grades. He
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  Speaker 1: was always late to practice and just that sort of behavior.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's just like it doesn't help someone who's trying
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  Speaker 1: to be positive. It kind of goes back to the
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  Speaker 1: very first time if anyone ever started lifting. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you kind of want to have a lift or lifting
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  Speaker 1: partner so you can have a spot, and all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden that guy calls you and it's like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go today, and you're like, okay, no problem.
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  Speaker 1: And then the next day he's like, yeah, I'm gonna go,
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  Speaker 1: but then he doesn't show up, and you just you
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  Speaker 1: end up like adjusting yourself so much to try to
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  Speaker 1: meet people in the middle to where it never works.
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  Speaker 1: And I just really feel like if you have a
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  Speaker 1: good work ethic and you're willing to just continually pound
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  Speaker 1: at whatever it is you want to do, then you
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  Speaker 1: need other people that help you stay on that path
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  Speaker 1: and not you know, carrying carrying other people on your
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  Speaker 1: path gets really hard. I mean, if you're a good friend,
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  Speaker 1: you do it for people that are in need of
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  Speaker 1: support at certain times and then you know, depending on
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  Speaker 1: crap they're going through, But overall, you want people that
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  Speaker 1: if you know, if you if you sprain your ankle
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  Speaker 1: along the way and you know you've got some stuff
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  Speaker 1: that's bogging you down with work. You need people that
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  Speaker 1: are going to be able to pick you up and
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  Speaker 1: carry it for a short period of time. But I
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  Speaker 1: also don't want to be the guy that's getting carried
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  Speaker 1: every day. You know. It's like that old saying that
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  Speaker 1: you are the sum of the five people that you
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  Speaker 1: spend the most time with, right like that that that
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  Speaker 1: rubs off on you. It seems like, do you do
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  Speaker 1: you think that applies even within something just like hunting,
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  Speaker 1: Like if I'm a guy who really really really wants
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  Speaker 1: to get better at hunting, um, I feel like lots
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  Speaker 1: of times you fall into just a crowd of like
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  Speaker 1: your hunting buddies because they're local or because yeah, by
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  Speaker 1: circumstances became friends. Would you ever go so far as
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  Speaker 1: to say, like, hey, if you really are passionate about
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  Speaker 1: trying and take your hunt into the next level, you
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  Speaker 1: should actually like proactively seek out ways to kind of
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  Speaker 1: grow a higher um um, what's the right word? Just
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  Speaker 1: a group of people that will push you even further
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  Speaker 1: even in something like hunting, No question, I mean, no question,
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  Speaker 1: it's a it's a timeless thing. You know, if I
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  Speaker 1: still wanted to hang out with my high school friends.
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  Speaker 1: I'd probably still be you know, walking around Johnsburg talking about,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when we won the game against Round Lake
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  Speaker 1: in the last two minutes. You know, I mean to
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  Speaker 1: be like, but you kind of have to get out
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  Speaker 1: of that. And honestly, I've had I've had guys that
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  Speaker 1: that I was friends with, that I did you know,
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  Speaker 1: videos with, or was in production with, that were really
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  Speaker 1: passionate about hunting. But there's just a difference between the
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  Speaker 1: guys that they go out, they want to party. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they might be all gung ho about it the first night,
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  Speaker 1: but then they stay up and drink too late. Then
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  Speaker 1: they by the third day they can't get up. And
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  Speaker 1: you know guys that uh, I don't know. I've been
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  Speaker 1: on remote, remote islands with people on a hunt where
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  Speaker 1: I'm tagged out, my tags punched and they're the only
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  Speaker 1: one with the tag. I'm staying there to help them
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  Speaker 1: and they're not wanting to get out of bed at
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  Speaker 1: sunrise or just like, let me know, if you see
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  Speaker 1: something it's like no, this isn't like yeah, I'll do it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna do it for the next three
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  Speaker 1: days that I'm here. But that's gonna be the last
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  Speaker 1: time I do it. You know, Um, you have to
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  Speaker 1: be willing to step out of those groups if you
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  Speaker 1: don't see that that group's going in a positive direction.
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  Speaker 1: And it's really really hard, honestly. You know, that's why
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  Speaker 1: so many businesses, um fail because people go into business
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  Speaker 1: with someone that's a really good friend and it's very
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  Speaker 1: rare that both friends have the same work ethic. And
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  Speaker 1: I've had way more endeavors fail because I tried to
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  Speaker 1: bring someone else on with me versus saying, you know, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I've got this cool idea. I'm just gonna freaking do it.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna be cool, and I'll just make my friends
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  Speaker 1: part of it. You know, if they want to be
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  Speaker 1: part of it, they can be part of it. But
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  Speaker 1: the only way it's gonna work is is if I
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  Speaker 1: make it work. And I think you know, you have
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  Speaker 1: to be able to just rely on your rely on
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  Speaker 1: your own work ethic through that stuff. Yeah, when you
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  Speaker 1: when you talk about work ethic, UM, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: really easy to think about the ways that applies to
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  Speaker 1: stuff like your business, or how it applies to staying
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  Speaker 1: physically fit. UM. When it comes to you know, let's
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  Speaker 1: say archery. This is one of those things that the
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  Speaker 1: average guy or girl like, that's a hunter out there, right,
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  Speaker 1: They see that as you know, a prerect meal, get
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  Speaker 1: out and go hunt. But then there's someone who takes
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  Speaker 1: it to the next level where that work ethic becomes um.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to call it an obsession,
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  Speaker 1: but it goes from just like understanding a basic level
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  Speaker 1: of proficiency to then like trying to achieve again like
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  Speaker 1: that mastery thing when it comes to applying that to archery.
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  Speaker 1: For you, when you shifted from whenever it was a
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  Speaker 1: long long time ago, when you went from just enjoying
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  Speaker 1: shooting art for you to then realize and this is
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  Speaker 1: the thing that you wanted to master. Was there like
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  Speaker 1: any kind of flip you switched um in inside your mind?
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  Speaker 1: It was just something that really changed for you when
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  Speaker 1: you realize this is not something you just wanted fun with,
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  Speaker 1: it's something that you really wanted to um become elite.
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  Speaker 1: Like what was the big change inside of you when
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  Speaker 1: he made that switch. The change for me on anything
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  Speaker 1: that I just saw a sudden get fanatic about is
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  Speaker 1: it's things that I'm not good at. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: have a hard time. I have a hard time walking
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  Speaker 1: away from something. If I suck at it, you know
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  Speaker 1: I need to at least figure it out where in
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  Speaker 1: my own mind, I'm content with how I left. And
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  Speaker 1: archery is that's how it started for me. I sucked
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  Speaker 1: at it. The only reason I competed was because the
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  Speaker 1: first tournament I went to I couldn't even finish. I
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  Speaker 1: lost all my arrows before I was halfway through that
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  Speaker 1: first three D shoot, and you know I left there
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  Speaker 1: piste off. I wasn't probably fun to be around. And
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  Speaker 1: I went to a Gander mountain and bought another dozen
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  Speaker 1: arrows that didn't even have money for so I could
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  Speaker 1: go back and just finished until I got to the
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  Speaker 1: fort target. And then the next day I was in
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  Speaker 1: an archery shop just saying, Okay, what do I have
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  Speaker 1: to do? So I never get embarrassed like that again.
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  Speaker 1: And with hunting, it's the same thing. I'm fanatic about
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  Speaker 1: hunting and it And if you've ever heard any of
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  Speaker 1: my friends talk about me, now, I know that I
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  Speaker 1: kind of feel that way. I guess I don't recognize
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  Speaker 1: kind of I don't know the vibes that i've that
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  Speaker 1: I put off. But when animals trick me, or when
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm in a position where I've like
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  Speaker 1: outsmarted everything and then all of a sudden, they like
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  Speaker 1: pull this wild card out on me and I get
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  Speaker 1: beat or I eat a tag. I'm there the next year,
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  Speaker 1: like it. It really bothers me. It's seriously, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I keep thinking about my last trip to France
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  Speaker 1: when I was hunting uh chamois in the in the
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  Speaker 1: Alps because the conditions really sucked. Um. We had like
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  Speaker 1: melting snow, then ice, then freezing snow. We had three
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  Speaker 1: guys up there trying to chase these things. It was
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  Speaker 1: so loud, you know. The closest I ever got to
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  Speaker 1: one was like a hundred and six yards, and I
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  Speaker 1: feel like the fact that I was defeated that bad.
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  Speaker 1: I want to go back, not necessarily because I think
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  Speaker 1: his sham sham was cool, because they're kind of dinky
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  Speaker 1: once I started looking at them. But it's like I
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  Speaker 1: just want to be able to say, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: completed the task and I evolved enough to make myself better.
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  Speaker 1: And that's really what I What triggers anything for me
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  Speaker 1: is if I'm not good at it, I just I
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  Speaker 1: just really have to put in the time and put
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  Speaker 1: in the work to do it, and honestly, things that
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  Speaker 1: I'm not good at, I it's my best motivation for
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  Speaker 1: for just continuing to try and do it. Andy, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like a lot of what John's here saying is
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  Speaker 1: very in line with what you and we were talking
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  Speaker 1: about just a couple of weeks ago, right, with just
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  Speaker 1: that obsession with trying to find the little inches of
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  Speaker 1: ways you can get better or something that stumped you
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  Speaker 1: at once, right, Yeah, Yeah, I see, I'm hearing a
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  Speaker 1: lot of similarities. Um, John, I was talking to like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when I when I fail on a bow hunt,
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  Speaker 1: right or I miss an animal or something that it
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  Speaker 1: it affects me, um so powerfully that I obsess about
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  Speaker 1: that mistake, um, you know, for for months and months
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  Speaker 1: and months, and then I try to do you know,
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  Speaker 1: try to analyze that mistake, find out what I did wrong,
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  Speaker 1: and then take the steps to improve upon that so
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  Speaker 1: that it doesn't happen again. And I think that kind
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  Speaker 1: of goes along, you know, like with what you said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just uh, you know, maybe something that you
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  Speaker 1: didn't perform, uh, you know as well as you had hoped,
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  Speaker 1: and you just kind of fixate on that, and you
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  Speaker 1: work at it, you know, at nauseum, to the point
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  Speaker 1: where now it's become a non issue. Now it's actually
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  Speaker 1: a strength. Is there ever a point where that because
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  Speaker 1: I'm the same way too in a lot of ways, um,
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  Speaker 1: but is there ever a point where that focus on
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  Speaker 1: like the little thing you did wrong, that that can
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  Speaker 1: go too far, that that obsession can go too far,
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  Speaker 1: like how do you how do you john keep that
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  Speaker 1: from getting too negative? Um? And instead use that as
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  Speaker 1: a possible kind of jumping off point for getting better. Well,
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  Speaker 1: there's a saying that I tell my students, or it's
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  Speaker 1: one that I was taught years and years ago, and
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  Speaker 1: I had I heard it, but I didn't really understand it,
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  Speaker 1: but it grew on me. And even after, you know,
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  Speaker 1: thirty years since I heard it, I still practice of
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  Speaker 1: sit but you know it goes Um, remember the past,
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  Speaker 1: prepare for the future, but play in the present. And
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  Speaker 1: that's what I do. I try to remember the past,
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  Speaker 1: but I definitely don't have regrets on the past. I
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  Speaker 1: just remember it and I let it. I let it
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  Speaker 1: affect what I'm preparing for in the present. And um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think, Um, you know, I just I
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  Speaker 1: just learned from it. It definitely makes me feel competitive.
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  Speaker 1: There's a competitive side of me that makes me, you know,
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  Speaker 1: not want to do it again. But I don't. I
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  Speaker 1: don't let it um. I don't let it drag me down.
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  Speaker 1: There's for the longest time when I was competing, my
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  Speaker 1: biggest downside was when I would make a shot. And
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: this was a lot more of the more of a
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: problem when I shot three D archery, because I started
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: it as a competitive three D shooters, so I started
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: on unknown yardages, so I would feel like I knew
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: the yardage to the target, I had set my sight,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: and I really feel like I made I executed a
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: very good shot, and then the arrow would land in
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: an eight ring instead of a twelve. And it was
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: really frustrating too, because you know, I was there to
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: shoot a bow, but even when I made a perfect shot,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: I was being penalized because I wasn't able to judge
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: perfectly and I had a really hard time with it,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: and I was, you know, I broke a lot of stabilizers,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: just stabbing them into the ground, and you know, there
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: was you know, there I was. And honestly, a big
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: part of it was when I started competing. I I
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: came off a football field, and when I played football,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: I played on both sides of the ball. So if
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: I did something wrong as a quarterback, if I threw
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: an interception, I could just freaking hit someone, you know,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: like the you know, the next play and yeah, And honestly,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: it was like it was like a relief. So then
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: in archery, when you're just shooting this arrow and it
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: hits a phone target, like and you do something really bad,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: I didn't really know how to how to have like
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: a pressure valve, so my pressure valve would just be
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: like stabbing my stabilizer in the ground, or you know.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: There was There was one time I was one arrow
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: away from shooting a perfect three sixty at seventy meters
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: at my h at my house in Wisconsin, and I
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: remember standing, I was shooting seventy meters and I had
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: one arrow left, and I looked down the spotting scope
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: and there were all I needed was one ten and
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: I would have shot a perfect three sixty at seventy ms,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: which for me at the time I was in like
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: my early stages of shooting with the teams. I really
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: wanted that because I wanted to be able to say
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: that I had shot a clean seventy mem around, which
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I know would be very rare. And when I shot
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: at nine, I just like did this hammer toss with
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: my bow and just launched this thing almost to the
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: target and it landed in the ditch and I left
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: it there. I mean, I was so piste off that
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I left it down there. And I remember one of
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: my friends came over and he's like, hey, dude, there's
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: a whole bow down in the ditch down there, and
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you can have it if you want it.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: And I remember um being at a tournament not soon
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: after that, and I made this shot I shot at nine.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I got really piste. I mean I was like on fire.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: And I remember um Tim Strickland walked over to me,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: who Tim at the time was coaching a lot of
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Olympic recurve shooters. Tim walked over to me and he goes,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: you know, until you learn that that arrow that left
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: your bow, you have no longer you no longer have
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: control on it. He's like, until you learn that, you
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: will never grow as an archer. He looked at me,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: he said, the only thing you have control over right
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: now is those errors in that quiver, and he turned
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: and walked away, and I and it it just sunk
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: in and I'm like, you know what, ship, Yeah, no
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: matter what I do, I can't pull that arrow back.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Like it's history. It's it's gone. I can't change it.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: So then it got to the point where I started
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: to find humor in that. You know, there's been times
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: at Vegas where people have kind of looked at me like, hey, man,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: shut up, you're talking too loud. But I've literally said, like, hey, guys,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: do any of you want to freaking shoot the tin
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: because the last asshole wanted to shoot a nine um,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: you know. And it it changed my output, you know,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: my how I looked at my mistakes changed my output.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: So it's a it's a fine line. Some people learn
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: some people learn better from being really mad and like
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: being hard on themselves and then people And for me,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I am hard on myself because I will train hard
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: enough to not make the mistake again, but I also
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: don't let the mistake affect the effect the time that
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: hasn't even happened yet. Yeah, I feel like so much
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: of this, so much of archery, whether it be just
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: competitive or preparing for bow hunting, it's such a mental thing. Like,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: of course it's a huge physical component to it, but
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: a lot happens between your ears. Um, and I remember
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: hearing you talk once UM about I don't know how
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: and I don't know to degree you take this, but um,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: ideas around meditation or things that can kind of reset
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: your mind just a little bit to refocus or to
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: deal with something went wrong. UM. You talked once about
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: like spinning um, some beads or something on a bracelet,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I think, to help kind of recenter yourself before taking
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: the next shot. Um. Are there any things like that
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: that you still do now to either clear your head
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: before a big shot competitively or in the tree stand,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: or or any other things on the mental side that
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: have helped you become a better archer and bull hunter. Um. Yeah, meditation,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: certainly it's important. And one of the things that's important
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: from a meditative side is that you can learn to
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: control your heart rate, so um, or you can you
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: can help maintain it and lower it if you really
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: need to. So if you're in a pressure situation, just
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: learning how to like breathe and focus on breathing. Essentially,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: what you're doing is you're retriggering your conscious thought process
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: so that it's not actively thinking about a fight or
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: flight syndrome. It's uh, you're trying to re kind of
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: reset your conscious to where it's only occupied by the
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: actual physical process of breathing. And then it will help you, UM,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: it will help naturally lower that heart rate because you're
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: not dumping adrenaline still. You know, it's when you it's
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: when you intently think about, like, this is the bigas
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: buck I'll have ever shot. What are all my friends
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: gonna think when I show them this um or some
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: people are like, oh my god, he's so big. I
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: don't want to miss this thing, you know, And it's
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: like those are those are keywords that that can certainly
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: trigger UM the conscious to to go into that fight
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: or flight state. And when that happens, then your heart
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: rates accelerated, your breathing gets heavier. You know, you kind
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: of put yourself in a poor position for UM having
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: a positive outcome. I feel like for me when I
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: had like I had a bracelet that had little pieces
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: of carbon arrows on it, and they were all they
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: were all pieces of arrows off metals that are off
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: arrows that I had, like won medals with so to speak.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: So to me, they had meanings, so I would just
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: focus on shifting those things all the way around. And um.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: For a lot of people that that do meditate ation,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: you know, they actually have like meditative like be bands
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: for the risk where they're they're kind of just actively
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: thinking about moving that bead from one position to another position,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: from one position to another position. And what they're trying
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: to do is just reset the conscious focus on the
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: breathing and bringing into play. Guys that struggle with um,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: guys that struggle with target panic or buck fever. These
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: are a lot of times it's people that one have
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: never learned some of these small tricks that do for
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: sure help you, Um, they do help you stabilize, but
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: they also help you be able to somewhat tolerate that feeling.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: And if you haven't felt it, it feels way way
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: UM it's like overtaking. You almost feel like there's just
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: no way you can get it done. And then as
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: soon as you let that arrow go, even if you
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: see it missing, there's this huge like rush of like, oh,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: thank God, I got rid of that arrow. You know,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: and I've been there, you know, I've been in those situations.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: It's it's a terrible place to be in. Um. But
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: you have to you have to do two things to
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: get out of those situations. One, you have to be
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: able to recognize when it's happening and know some of
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: these little things to try to reset it where you're
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: focusing on your process again and you're not focusing on
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: the prize. UM. And then the second thing is acclamation.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: You know, being in those moments to where your intensity
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: is high and you're you're kind of putting yourself in
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: these like game day type situations. More often it just
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: gets the be to the point where it's not scary.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: You know, it's it was scary the first time I
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: got behind the wheel of a car. I mean the
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: first time I ever got on a dirt, Like, I
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: was scared. When someone's like, okay, you gotta do like
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: one down, four up, and I'm like, what the hell
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: does that mean? Um. So, but the more you do it,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden you just realize, okay, you know,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I just jump on this thing and go. The subconscious
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: is like doing all of it consciously, you're just thinking
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: about the having fun part. So you have to be
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: able to acclimate yourself. And I think that's a big
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: reason why events like the Total Archery Challenge are really
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: important for people that are also trying to get more
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: involved with hunting, because you know, you get in these
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: situations where you're shooting with a larger group, Um, people
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: are all watching with their binoculars. You know, you're not
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: wanting to essentially, you're wanting to put on a good
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: performance in front of people. Um. When that happens, you
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: feel nervous naturally, But the more you do it, you'll
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: acclimate to it. So I really feel like a big
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: part of this is just continually working hard to um,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: to like feel that pressure and be in some of
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: those situations, and your performance overall will just continually get
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: better because you've been there. Yeah. Andy, I know that
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: you've you've been in some of these situations that John's
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: talking about here. Um, we've talked about you and me,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: but I know you had some some questions for John
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: right around this topic. Um, any of those come to mind? Yeah, Um, well, John,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: going off what you were just talking about, and UM
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: trying to you know, kind of focus on the process
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: and keep you know, I guess anxiety I always described
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: as trying to keep the anxiety low by focusing on
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: the process. Um. You know in your teachings, you know,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: you you promote uh, you know kind of that that
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: back tension pulled through unanticipated UM style of release, UM,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: which I've adopted, UM and it's been a huge help
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: for me. But what I what I found, UM, is
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: that style of shooting as opposed to like the you know,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: the command style. UM. You know that that often leads
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: to you know, some target panic and trigger punching, that
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: sort of thing. It will always lead to it. Yeah,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: and just call it punching because whoever you know, I
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: know Tim Gillingham likes to call a command style. But
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna tell you it's it's a you know,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: I can call people someone who like, you know, they
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: they have command beer drinking habits, but in the end
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: they're just drunks. Yeah yeah. So UM, but what I
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: found is like this this unanticipated style of shooting. It's
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: it's a very relaxing way to shoot. Like. UM. So
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: I always go back to my story. You know, I
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I've been both hunting a long time and I had
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of success, and I was always a trigger puncher,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: and I did okay. Um, you know, I I made
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: some good shots. I made some bad shots. UM wounded
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: some you know animals. But I obviously, you know, after
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: um you know, studying your ways, I wasn't in control
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: and I adopted you know, your teachings and put in
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: the work, and now I shoot an unanticipated release and
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: I've just found that I'm just so much more relaxed
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: in the shot. Not only you know, at things like
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: the Total Archery Challenge what I also participated, but like
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: in that hunting scenario with that big buck standing there,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: like I I'm adrenaline is high, I'm excited, But it's
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: that that style of shooting for me is just it's
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: such a relaxing thing because I'm just focusing on um,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: you know that pull through motion or um, you know,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: focusing and just letting my pin flow. UM. Do you
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: agree with that? Is that? Yeah? Well, I mean I
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: think it's really important that people get to the conclusion
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: that in order to gain control, you have to first
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: lose it. And you know you lose you feel like
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: you're losing the control when you really start training to
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: get a surprise shot, you feel like you you feel
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: like you have to know when that's gonna go off.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: But the reality is you are so much more stress
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: free when you don't know when it goes off, but
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: you do know where it's gonna go. You know. There
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: there's this transition of yeah, you're nervous about something new,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I get it, and there's some you know, Honestly, it
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: used to be way harder to find that, And the
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: reason why is because years ago people didn't know proper technique.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: So when they would try to shoot attention activated release
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: or HNE release and their postures completely incorrect, or they
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: don't know how to anchor properly. They a lot of
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: other variables were happening at the same time, and they
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: weren't sure of where things were going to go. But
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: you know, the thing that I take the most pride
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: in right now is when I open up all of
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: our hashtags like knock On, knock on Nation School and
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: knock the amount of people that could literally mirror my
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: form that I struggled for years, uh to you know,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: to kind of perfect that took like so much time
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I came. It was like decades of like doing that,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: and then it just got to the point where as
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: I taught, I just kept simplifying this down and like
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: boiling it down to where I could teach someone that
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: had never shot a bow and they dug and your
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: look like me in like an hour, and I'm just
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: looking at him like, damn it, you know, freaking wish
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: I could have done that. But then those same people, um,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: those same people, all of a sudden just can take
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: over a release like that and start to focus on
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: this um surprise, unanticipated shot and they just they don't
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: even think about it. It just feels so good. And honestly,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: when you're shooting good, archery is so fun. And and honestly,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: when you make this switch, there's this short little window
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: that all of a sudden, you make this one shot
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: that sticks out as I've never made a shot that good.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: It went off so easy, I freaking everything seemed like
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: in slow motion. That arrow just pounded the center. It's
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: like you kind of just have this standout moment of oh, yeah,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: that's what everyone's been talking about. And then once you
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: get that and you can start to repeat that, you realize, like,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: this is super fun. And then when you go out
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: into a hunting situation and this bowl of a lifetime
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: steps out and you're just sitting there thinking about your process,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: and you know your your posture is good, your stance
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: is good, and you draw back, you anchor properly, and
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: you settle into that peep and the pins right there,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: and yeah, you're a little nervous, but you get your
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: finger on that safety. You're you or off the safety,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: you're on the trigger, and you're just embracing that little
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: bit of shake that you got from being nervous, and
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: you pull through and that sound breaks and you just
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: know you're like freaking dead, like that, you're dead, Like
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I know, I don't have a question of where the
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: SHOT's going because I know what a good shot is now.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, once someone has that feeling in a hunting situation,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: it's like the best sense of accomplishment. You just realize
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: that you've like jumped the biggest hurdle in this entire sport.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like they're are some people
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: that think that, you know, to get ready for hunting
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: season bow hunting, they pick up their bow a month
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: before the season, start shooting it, making sure it's still
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: hitting on the zero, and then they're good to go.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: But to achieve what you just described, that level of
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: proficiency and confidence. Um, I know it takes a whole
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: different commitment. What how would you describe what it takes
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: as someone to get to that level? What kind of lifestyle?
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: What kind of commitment does that take? If you had
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: to if someone like, hey, how do I get to
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: this point? How would you describe what would be necessary?
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Um to get to that point? Yeah? I mean like
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: not I'm not saying shoot their entered arrows today and
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: tomorrow and do this thing, this thing. More so, like
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: what kind of commitment or what what amount of your
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: life daily practice? What does it take to make that
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: next level jump to that point? Well, I think the
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: biggest commitment you're gonna have to make is not making
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: excuses for yourself. I mean, if you want to say, like,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: you know, hey, I kind of I want to train
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: that way, but I'm I want to command fire when
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I go hunting, well, okay, you're wasting everyone's time, you know. Uh,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: do you really want to be better? Do you really
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: want to be different? Because if you do, then you
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: could easily do what I do every single year when
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: hunting seasons over, which is probably the time of year
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: where I developed the most poor habits. Or you know,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: I would say my shots instead of being like on
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: a level nine or ten, which is what I strive
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: for when I'm training a lot. During the end of
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: hunting season, I'm probably at a six or seven. I
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: haven't shot very much. I've only you know, pulled arrows
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: back on animals or maybe check my site marks here there,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: and you know, in between hunts, um. You know, I
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: feel like I feel like when I decided to reset,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: which for me, it's always around the first December. UM.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: I actually and this year I pasted it. You know.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: If you go to the Knock on our True YouTube channel,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: there's a series called School of Knock, it was twelve
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: weeks of this week, we're working on this. This week,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: we work on this, this week, we work on this,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: and it it just builds you to exactly what we're
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: talking about in essentially a twelve. For me, I'm okay
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: doing it low and slow. You know, there's days where
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I might be able to shoot twenty eras there's days
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: where my goal is to shoot a hundred UM. But
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I try to do that, you know, the majority of
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: the week, and I work on that one thing enough
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: to where I feel like I've embedded it and I
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: can move on to the next thing. There's so many people,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: and I just had, um, a variable, a very reputable
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: person on like social media, and someone who's actually very
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: very training oriented, like that's his whole thing's training. You know.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: He was saying like, um, you know, I want you
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: to build a bow for me. And I told him, well,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna oil to bow for you the way
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: you're shooting right now, because you know, it's a reflection
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: to me. You need to change because you're punching the
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: trigger doesn't look good, you know. And so he just said,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: well what can I do? And I said, take this,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: I spell it all out right here, focus on this,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: do all of this, and then then then in the end,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be set up in a posture and in
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: a in a placement where if I build you a bow,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I know it will fit you properly, because they've always
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: got right now doesn't even fit them properly in my opinion. So, um,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: you know, one of the things he said was, well,
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: I don't have twelve weeks. And it's like, well, okay,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: you can do it, and you can do it and
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: three or four, but you know you're you know the mentality.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Now there's like a lot of people that just want
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: to hack and some things like this, if you want
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: to if you want to achieve mastery, which is what
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: I think the theme of this program is take hack
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: and throw it out the window. If you're looking for
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: a short cut, like this isn't the place, you know,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: if you're looking for a shortcut, you're gonna be like
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: of the other people out there that are struggling. If
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: you're if you're really wanting to do something to where
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: you're have potential to be the best at it, and
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: at the end of your you know, your last day hunting,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: you can look back and say I did everything I
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: could to be the best hunter I can. Then you
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: need to look for where you need to look for,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: like the ability to work at it, not the ability
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: to hack it. You know, that's what you need to
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: look for. Yeah, that's a great point, John Hey. Going
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: back to the shot execution, I had a question, UM,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: So I sometimes go back and forth with this, and
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to get your opinion. Um, Sometimes
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: when I draw back and I shoot, UM, and I
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: can achieve an unanticipated shot either way. But sometimes I
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: will draw back anchor, and I focus on the pulling
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: through motion like you described and just letting my just
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: let letting the pin flow, letting my aiming be kind
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: of subconscious, and I can achieve that on intipate unanticipated shot.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: But I can also switch it. I can actually focus
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: on just letting my pin flow and just keep saying,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: let it float, let it float, and then my shot
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: execution happened subconsciously. Is there one better than the other
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: or is it okay if the if the result is
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: an unanticipated shot. Either way, yeah, the the goal is
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: a surprise shot, you know. And there's certain times where
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: if you've worked on one enough, you're not necessarily having
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: to think of the other, Like when I'm really in
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: practice and hopefully by like the end of that week
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: or that end of that series. And this is normally
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: what I do during indoor season, is kind of when
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: I train to to perfect my form by the last week,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: all I'm doing is looking at the target. I'm just
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: staring a hole into the X ring. I'm not like
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: I'm counting through my steps in my head, you know,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I'm going through stance, grip, shoulder anchor pete, you know.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Poll I'm like going through these in my head. But
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not like consciously thinking about what my release hands
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: doing or consciously thinking about the poll. I'm just letting
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: the subconscious do that stuff. But that takes an extreme
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: amount of time. The fact that you've committed to it
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: and you've worked at it enough it's allowing you to
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: sometimes think about the poll, but other times you can
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: just think about the float. And honestly, if you embrace
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: that float, then you're not worried about being in the pocket.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: You know. That's what I when I call once you
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: let off that safety. In between when you let off
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: the safety or when you start applying pressure on a trigger,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: that moment between then and when that arrow goes off,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: that's that's kind of the pocket. And really the only
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: thing that's happening during that time is you should be
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: building pressure for the shop to go off, and you
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: should also be seeing some movement in the front half
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: of that bow, which is gonna be what you're seeing
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: through your site and being able to embrace that float
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: and realizing that, Okay, if I have a magnifying glass
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: of my scope, I'm gonna see more. If it's windy out,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna see more. If I'm tired right now and
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: I'm still trying to get my reps in, I'm gonna
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: see more. If I'm shooting up hill or downhill, I'm
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: gonna see more. But that's cool. I just want to
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: be here. Let this shop break when it is, and
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: I'm like totally comfortable with that. When you can make
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: that step and if you personally have made that step, dude,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: that is a Jedi level step. It's very rare that
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: people get to that. And I mean, that's how I
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: feel when I shoot. I really could care less what
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I would score in backyard practice. Honestly, I'd I don't
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: even care what I'd score at any of these total
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: archery challenges. What I do care about is that I
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: make good shots. And if I feel any sense of
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: anxiety or unease of my mind during that pocket time,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: then to me, that's not a good shot. And all
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: I'm striving for is being up there and making good
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: shots and and letting, you know, letting the rest take
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: care of itself, because it's my opinion that it takes
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: care of itself way more times than not if you
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: just focus on that. Yeah, well, I one of the
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: biggest takeaways are. One of the things that you described
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: that was so helpful for me early on, UM was
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: that you strive to make a ten on your shot execution,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: not necessarily hit the ten ring, but your your goal
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: is to score a ten on your shot execution. And
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: when I kind of shifted focus to that to try
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: to make that perfect shot every time, it it was
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: just like you said, it didn't really matter what my
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: pin was doing, and my pin was moving around, floating around,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: but it was, you know, it was always coming back
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: to where I was looking at and and no matter
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: where in the process my shot broke, the pin always
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: seemed to find the middle, you know. And and and
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: I just it kind of it just got the snowball rolling.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: I could became more and more comfortable with movement and
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: just focusing on that that execution. And I'm just surprised,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: you know, sometimes like you feel like that shot break
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: and it feels like you're end was you know, two
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: and just to the left and you go up there
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: and it's it's still in the middle, you know. And
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: I just it was just such a big, just a
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: big realization for me of how badly I was doing
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: things wrong, you know, for so many years if you
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: see that enough, like I remember John Barklow. UM, I'm
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: sure you guys now I remember John Barklow told me
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: he said, Dude, once I saw that happen enough times,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: He's like, I just kind of took it as like
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt that as long as I'm doing
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: my job behind the line like that weird weird ship
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: like that, I'll go down and it won't. It won't.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm more expecting it to like land where
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: I wanted to, if I'm just being dynamic versus um
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: being surprised that it is off, you know, because he said,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: I've just I've kind of surprised myself so many times
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: by thinking, oh, I should have two of them that
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: are way left, and then I get down there and
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: they're in the middle, and it's like whoa, Okay, Yeah,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: that's that's an awesome feeling. John. You going back to, like,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: you know, um letting your pain flow and nick accepting movement.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Is there a time where you do things to minimize that? Um?
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Like I was talking with Mark, I, I actually use
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: a rear bar um on my bow hunting setup, and
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I know that you don't really promote that but um,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: so for me, what I was noticing we both shoot
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Mark and I shoot Matthews bows, the grip runs a
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: little lower in the system. They tend to be a
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: little more top heavy. So what I found is like
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: keeping my bow level um and you know, minimizing uh
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: pin flow. I needed to add some some sideway and
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: some and some weight to the rear to kind of
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: minimize that. Otherwise I was like correcting it with my hand,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: which I didn't feel comfortable doing because then I felt
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: like I was imparting, you know, hand tork. But I
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: was wondering if you could just kind of touch on that,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: like your thoughts on that, you know, with the scenario
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: that I just described, but also just like minimizing pin float,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Like it's okay to accept some movement, but when is
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: it excessive and when do you try to minimize it? Well,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: I kind of just based it off the fact of
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: you know, if it's like, um, I don't know. One
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: way I guess the way I'll talk about is I
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: have a jeep and my wife as a jeep. My
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: jeep is my jeeps lifted with thirty five's. My wife's
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: is stock. Like if there's a lot of wind and
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: you have a wrangler and you're going down the road
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: like you're gonna move around. How my wife's moves around
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: is like manageable. How mine moves around is not what
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: I'd want my site pin to do. So I think
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: you kind of you thrive to have something that you understand.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: If you're not being perfectly still, you're gonna see some movement,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: But you don't want the movement like very sporadic. You
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: want it in like almost like a continual thing, like
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: if it's if it's always just kind of moving down
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: and coming up, moving down, coming up, moving down, coming up.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Some of that movement might not even be because of
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: the bow. It might be what your brain is wanting
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: to do. It's I always feel like when I cover
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: an object, my brain because it knows that's where it
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: wants me to hit. My brain wants confirmation that that
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: objects still there. So the subconscious actually lowers that just
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: enough to where you can peek and see it again,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: and then it allows you to go back up and
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: then you it's like, I don't believe it's still there.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Can I just take a quick look, Oh yeah, it's
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: still there. It's kind of like the peekaboo thing. Um,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm okay with that. But what I'm not okay
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: with is when it's like down and up right over up,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: up up down, you know, like I don't like doing
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: that because I'm I'm fighting something. I don't like that.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: If it's consistent, then I'm okay with it. Um. If
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: you have a slow float, then yeah, you can certainly
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: slow it down with mass um. But mass is really
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: hard to mass is hard to tote around the timber. Um.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Mass is sometimes hard to to deal with. If you
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: are committed to shooting every day, mask can can somewhat
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: come back and bite you. The better thing that you
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: should do if you're not wanting to shoot counterweights, which
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: I personally don't like sidebars for hunting. I think they're
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: very impractical. Um. I personally would rather you use the
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: canting option on your bow site, which is what they've
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: always been designed for. If you set your second and
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: third access on your site properly, those second third accesses
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: they should be forward of the site, which allows you
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: to turn your entire site housing you know, kind of
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: left or right. So essentially, if you do always can't
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: your bow slightly to the you know top land to
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: the right. You can take your site and slightly move
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: the bottom of that site to the right so that
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: your site is perfectly vertical even though you're limb tip
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: is slightly leaning, and your second third access will still
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: be correct if you do it the proper way. UM,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: I would rather see that to compensate for a quarter
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: of a bubble, then I would someone you know, trying
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: to drag. There's just no way you would use like
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: if if you were on your belly shooting access, like
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: I was two weeks ago in Lena. I I mean,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: I remember looking at Joe and I'm like, could you
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: imagine having a side rod on right now? And He's
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: just like you take it off and throw it after
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: your first stock, And I'm like, yeah, exactly, Yeah you would. Um.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: You know, sometimes depending on the terrain and how diverse
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: you are and your hunting, sometimes you may be fine.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've got I've got a guy that's kind
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: of part of our knock on staff that's filmed for
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: me for a long time. He shoots like a twenty
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: in stabilizer and a side rod. It's in a shoot
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: through riser all the time for hunting. It's it's like
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: one of the weirdest looking things I've ever seen. But
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: he's totally comfortable with it. He's a target shooter that
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: loves to hunt, so he just kind of more or
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: less takes out a target setup that just has fixed
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: pins and in an arrow with broadheads on it. Um,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: and he deals with it. But he's also in Wisconsin
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: sitting in blinds or tree stands, like I think he
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: did an elk hunt himself, maybe a year ago. But
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: when I look at all the different places I go, man,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: imagine trying to drag a sidebar through canola early season
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: in Alberta. He I mean, there's no way he could
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: do it. It's not practical. Um. Something you talk about
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: brought to mind, UM a topic that Andy, you and
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: me were talking about last night. I'm and steal and
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: the stealing idea you had been discussing with me here,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: which was when we're talking about pin float on the
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: practice range is one thing. On actually in the field
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: it's another. And I imagine that I'm a different range
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: is practicing behind the house. Of course, you see more
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: float becomes more erratic the smaller that target is because
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: of how much further you are away from the target.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: So I'm curious. John Andy had been posing this idea
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: to me, which is, how do you go about what's
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: the best way to go about determining your maximum effective range? UM?
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: And there's lots of different Everyone tosses out different numbers,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: and people like to debate what's an ethical range, what's not,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: what's effective, what's not, etcetera, etcetera. UM. And as I'm
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: practicing out there and you see how much pain float
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: you get and you start to become comfortable or not
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: comfortable at a certain level, how do you go about
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: determining what what a quality effect or what your maximum
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: effective range is? And how should someone out are listening
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: go about trying and figure that out for themselves. Is
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: it just can you do what you know? Some people say,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: get get a whole group in a pie plate in
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: three inches in whatever? Or is there a more methodical
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: way that you go about approaching that. Well, the way
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: I approach it is I just straight up look at
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: someone and I'm like, can you guarantee me that you
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: can put one in the vitals? And if they're like, well,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: I don't probably not, I'm like, okay, Well, then there's
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: your answer. Um, you know, I think if you practice
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: at distances long enough, Um, you know, you know, I'm
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: not going to tell someone, you know, if if someone
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: can hit it nine out of twelve, nine out of
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: ten times they can hit you know, a pie plate
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: at a hundred yards, but yet at their local club
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: as soon as someone shoots, you know, every at the
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: end of every three D round we do the everybody
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: throw a dollar in a hat and shoot the iron
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: bucket twenty yards and that guy goes out every time.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Well guess what, I don't care how many you can
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: shoot out at tenant a hundred. The guy unravels as
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: soon as there's pressure on him. So you know, you there.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's a clear answer to that, you know,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: I know that me personally. Um, honestly, there's been several
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: shots with with Joe Rogan, for example, there's been several
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: shots where we've been in a position and he's wanting
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: to make a shot and I'm like, you're not making
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: that shot, and he's like, would you make that shot?
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: And I would look at and be like no, and
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: he's like, you could make that shot, And I'm like,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: with with what's going on now? Like I remember having
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: this conversation with him, Um in Lenna. I it was
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: it was a deer at sixty yards. Now, you know,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Joe is more than capable than shooting at sixty yards.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: He's more capable of shooting at seventy or eighty. You know,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: I've seen him shoot. You know, he's a good shot.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: He doesn't like miss targets. He's a good shot. Um,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: he's definitely you know, I wouldn't say he's great, but
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: like he's he's above average. He's you know, I don't
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't question that he could hit it in the vitals,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: but when there was wind, and I know he hasn't
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: shot his bow enough to know what is what that
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: arrow is gonna do with a quarter bubble or half bubble. Um,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: it's an axis which they can jump through their own
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: butthole to get away from an arrow if they want to. Um,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: you know, there's there's like factors in there where I
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: just looked at him like, dude, I wouldn't take that shot.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: I shoot sixty yards probably fifty arrows a day in
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: my backyard. But there's no like, there's no way I'd
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: be able to tell him, And honestly, even when I
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: when I was stalking in on my deer with Cam.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: We had the bucket fifty five yards and I'm like,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna shoot him that far. And I freaking
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: took the chance of belly crawling to the next tree
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: where I could get behind it and and and kind
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: of come up because I really didn't want to take
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: a shot that far. I mean, because it's not about
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: what I'm capable of doing. It's about what that animals doing.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: And if you hunt long enough, you know, you know,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: shooting a white tail deer in Wisconsin is a lot
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: different than shooting a deer that's coming to a white
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: tail deer. It's coming to a feeder in Texas. I mean,
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: you know, a fifty yard shot at a white tail
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: up here in the Midwest, it's just out in a
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: food plot, cruising along, you know, chowing down on some turnups,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: no problem. Fifty yard shot at anything intact, like a
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: deer in Texas it may not even be possible. Dude,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: I don't even know, but I wouldn't try it, you know.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: So it's it's really hard. You have to you have
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: to have the you have to have the knowledge in
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: the experience of being able to not only read the animal,
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: but no the animal, and then more importantly like small
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: factors like little wind guts you know, hasn't been raining.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Do you know what your bow does when there's a
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: little bit of water on your on your cable slide?
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: Did you have your bow in the back of the
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: truck going down the gravel road in Alberta where that
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: red dust gets all over everything and it starts to
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: slow down your speed. Little things like that, like, they
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: all factor in. So there's just no way you can
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: I can tell someone this is your effective distance? You know, Andy,
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: where's your head out on that? Yeah? That makes a
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: lot of sense. Um, you know, I it takes me
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: back to uh, the last two years in Wyoming antelope hunting. Um.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: The first year, you know, I was feeling, you know,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: very confident, you know, shooting at some longer distances. I've
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: been doing it for a lot of years practice, and
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: I felt very competent at a certain range with conditions
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: you know that were perfect. And the first year I
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: I did shoot an antelope you know, at a longer range.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: It was dead palm, he was feeding. Um, you know,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: the situation was perfect. Fast forward to the following year,
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: completely a different scenario. It was very windy. Um. I
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: kind of went in there maybe a little overconfident, and
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: I missed a shot um at the first antelope that
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: I that I shot at, and it was it wasn't
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: as long as that other shot. It was actually quite
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: a bit shorter um. But it was windy and it
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: was dusty, like you were saying, and it was you know,
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: it was blowing me off target. And you know, I
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: tried to wait for the wind to die down and
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: and make a good shot, and you know it it blew.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Not only was it blowing my bow off, it was
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: also it's also just sailed my arrow. And I was like,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, like what what am I do? And
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: like that was a really dumb mistake and I and
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: I realized that right after I did it, and I
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: was like, you know, this is a completely different type
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: of situation and I'm gonna have to get in close
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: to get it done on these uh, you know, on
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: an antelope this year. So I agree with it. It It
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: just kind of goes back to, you know, the conditions
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: and the whole scenario and and you really have to
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: kind of take a look at that and you know,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I guess to make that make
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: that decision with the factors that you have there. Yeah,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: it's a case by case type situation. Um. It's interesting
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: when I yeah, I feel like I listened to you
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: Andy talking to John, and I know you followed John's
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: um ideas and practices very closely over the years. And
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: and I've looked to you Andy as as a local
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: mentor of mine. And I'm a few years still behind
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: where year and I'm just figuring out how to I
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: I had the tiger panic issues over the last couple
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: of years. I've now switched to trying to implement at
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: the anticipated release, been been using the silver back this year.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: John really liking that. Um. So I'm early in this
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: stage though, and you're much further along Andy. Um as
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: you're as you're looking at this, and as as you've
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: heard John through his podcast and his YouTube videos all
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: these different things he is putting out there. Um, you're
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: at that. I think you're in the high end of
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: the typical hunter out there. What are the next level
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: things that you're still wondering from John as far as
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: how to take your you know, I don't know if
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: you've got a couple other ideas like that you're still struggling,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: You're you've got these small little inches, these little details
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: that can probably take you to that next level. Um,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: what are those other things you're curious to hear from John?
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: Because because I have all sorts of questions, but they're
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: pretty basic still because I'm, you know, early in this journey.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: What else? What else do you need to know? Andy? Yeah? Well,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: well real quick, I wanted to tell John this is
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: a really special podcast for me because, um, I I
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: got tuned into your podcast I think you had just
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: launched episode two and that was that was uh an
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: episode that really cleared some things up for me. I
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: was struggling with target panic really bad, and that two
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: thousand thirteen, two thousand fourteen, uh, you know, two thousand
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: twelve right around there, and UM, you know, I so
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: I identified it pretty early, and you were the one
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: guy that you know, helped me make sense of what
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: was going on. And it was just so influential to
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: me over the years. And I, you know, I jumped in,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: you know, head first, and I've never looked back. And I,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: you know, I was struggling with enjoying archery and now
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: I love it more than ever and it's really spilled
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: over into my success as a bull hunter. So thank
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: you for that, um. But also, like you know, for
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: those guys that maybe are what you would consider higher level,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: that have mastered this type of shot execution, you know,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: the guys like Joe or the guys that have you know,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: been doing it for a long time, what can those
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: guys do, those guys that have already mastered that, what
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: can those guys do to squeeze out that last little
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: bit of accuracy or continue to improve? Is there is
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: there something that you know, maybe you you kind of
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: we're really high level archers that you coached to take
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: them to that next up. Well, with really high level
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: archers that end up eventually hitting some type of slump,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: what's amazing to all of them is that what I
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: naturally do is just try to reset them back to
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: the very beginning and instead of trying to instead of
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: trying to like make adjustments afterwards, it's like take everything
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: away and go back to like here's the shot process,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Here's what I want you to think about. Here's a string.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: We're gonna just execute on a string. You know, I
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: go back and try to just do a complete reboot
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: and then obviously once they get the confidence that in,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: then they're able to get back on track. Um. Sometimes
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: for the elite level guys that are somewhat struggling, there's
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: a couple of things that can happen. One, they can
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: just have expectations of themselves that they may not be
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: capable of. Um. You know, it's it's like, as much
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: as I want to be able to do, as much
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: as I want to be able to go out and run,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: like like cam Haignes, I mean, I'm six man, no offense,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: I'm i am beat to the ground if I go
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: out and try to put miles on like that every day. Like,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: there's certain things where I'm like, you know what, I
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: feel like, I feel like I'm good when I'm running,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: but I'm you know, I'm I recognize the fact that
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm kind of made to just be amid a
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: mediocre runner, But I feel like I have a good
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: technique and I'm good. I feel like I'm definitely doing
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: it good enough to get by. UM. The other thing
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: is some elite level guys or guys that have done
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: it a long time and maybe they know what to do.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: Some of them really don't put in the time that
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: you have to to be polished like some of these people.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: And that's a big thing for me. You know, when
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: people ask me why I don't compete, there's just I
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: don't have the time. You know, I would have my
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: my twenty year old self would have beat would have
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: beat me right now because my twenty year old self
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: shop four or five, six, seven hours a day, and
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: even if I wasn't doing it right, I did it
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: wrong consistently and because it was just time and repetition.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: So I think as long as you're really recognizing the
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: like for example, there's some people that have like natural
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: like they're naturally shaky, like when they go to do things.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: You know, have you ever seen people where their hands
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: kind of shake. If they're really focusing on something like
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: that type of person, they're gonna deal with that, and
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be hard to be is accurate as
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: someone that's shooting a bow that their pin is super
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: stable and they're making good shots. So you kind of
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: need to be truthful on your self reflection of you
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: know what, I'm really solid. I feel like I'm making
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: great shots. I practice all the time, then okay, well,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: now your candidate to talk about a third thing. How
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: much are you actually putting into fine tuning your arrow
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: setups to really match your bow? And do you know
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: your boat set up is set up properly to where
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: it's maximizing the groups that your arrows can provide based
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: on how the two of them team up together. Um.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: So some of those small little points start to come
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: from small little things like you know, how many gadgets
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: do you have constantly? There's some people that are just gadgety,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: people that have like you know, they have like weird
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: d loops. They want to kiss her button, they want
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: some kind of a weird new peep site. You know,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: they want this site that's got a fiber optic dot
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: in the middle, the sticker that's a ring, um, you know,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: all these different things that are kind of, in my opinion,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: gadgety rather than just simplifying it and really focused on
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: being able to um, really focusing on being able to
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: kind of perfect what they're doing and know if what
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: they're doing is uh, is gonna work. Um. There's people
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: out there and I've done this. I've posted a picture
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: a few days ago of this target bail and there
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: was like three different groups of arrows on it. Each
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: of those groups of arrows were all shot out of
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: the exact same boat at ninety but every every single
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: arrow group had a much different result on the paper.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: And those results were based on how those arrows matched
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: the boat. And that's one thing you really have to
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: know about. Andy. I know we've got we're running a
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: time here, so I know you had one, maybe two
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: other questions on this line of thinking. I'll let you
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: let you send one more to wrap this up. John,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: like you, you know, everybody kind of looks up to you,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: you know, as a as an archery coach, and you
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: know we see you make you know, great shots consistently
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: and and uh you know certainly you know, highest of
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: the highest far As archery skill level. But can you
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: tell us I just want to kind of like humanize
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: you a little bit and and ask you, um, you know,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: give us a reason why John Dudley might miss might
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: miss um? I miss all the time? Okay, Well, what's
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: what causes you to What causes you to miss? Um?
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: Lack of practice? I mean lack of practice, uh, you know,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: lack of practices. One when I break down you know,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of the things that I talked about, I
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: talk about them because I'm dealing with them. You know,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: when I make a post talking about the importance of
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: shoulder position and how creeping, how creeping causes you to
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: miss and where that miss is gonna go, it's because
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: I've been doing it all morning, you know. Um you
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: know there. That's that's why I practice. That's why I
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: did that School Knox series because it's like, you know,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: and there were days where I showed people like, I
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: can't shoot a three hundred to day, I can't, But
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: my goal is to be shooting three hundreds with high
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: you know, high upper twenty x counts by the end
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: of this period. Because you know, I'm realistic. I know
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: that I can't just pick up my boat anytime and
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: shoot clean. Now, am I gonna? Can I sit down
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: my bow and pick it up and be above average? Yeah?
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: I think I'd feel comfortable saying that, But you know,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: I certainly do miss. You know, there's times where as
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: soon as the shot breaks, I'm like, damn, it bubbles off,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: you know, and being able to to recognize, like why
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: you miss is very important, and also being able to
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: recognize what actually like some type of a technique or
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: flaw that's broke down, like right as the share the
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: arrows breaking. That's really important too, um, because it helps
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: you identify you know, if I make a shot and
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: the shop breaks and I kind of see the arrow
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: come out a little sideways, like instantaneously, I'm thinking like
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: grip pressure, and then all of a sudden, Oh, I
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: feel the front of my riser pushing really hard on
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: the front of my index finger. Dang, I was freaking
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: putting a little front finger torque on that thing. Um.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: You know, I learned to recognize those. You know. It's
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: not like I can't say I slop arrows around all
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: day long, but you know, I really strive to get
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: in into a rhythm and into a flow state and
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: into a zone. And sometimes it may take meros to
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: get there. Sometimes it may happen right off the bat, um,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: you know, but I certainly miss. I did a live
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: feed the other day, and as I was talking, I
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: was showing people how my sight work turned around and
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: made a shot at thirty yards but had still had
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: my sight set on fifty and just you know, totally
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: blank the target. So you know, it's it's common for me.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: You know, it happens. I'm not I'm not a robot um.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: But again, this kind of goes full circle back to
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: what we talked about at the very beginning. Is now
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: I'm in a whole new position where it's like, you
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: know what that happens, but at least I know why,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna let it happen on the next arrow.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna make corrections. And I think if you have
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: that approach, then eventually you'll find this little click where
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: you're just gonna be making really good shots. And sometimes
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: you'll go out and be like, man, I couldn't miss tonight,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: And those are the best feeling days. But there's also
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: days where you go out and you just feel like
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: your shoes coming untied all the time. And honestly, on
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: those days, I just kind of embrace the suck and
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: just say it's not meant to be tonight. You know,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm shooting some hates. I really wanted to shoot twelve,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: so it might be a good night for me to
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: go and you know, get some of these fletchings repaired,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: and get get this de loop you know, replaced, and
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: and I'll do something archery related but not necessarily reinforced
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: bad habits. I feel like everybody listening to this if
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: they're a bowl hunter, which probably ninety seven or some
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: of the folks listening to this one or bow hunters,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: we all want to get better. We're all at different
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: levels though we all have kind of a different starting
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: point where we're at right now, but we're all looking
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: to take that next step. And you talk to people
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: all the time that are trying to take that next step,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: and they look to you to figure out how to
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: do that. Um, you've got to hear a lot of
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: things from those people. You must hear explanations for why
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: they're not doing that, or problems or questions or concerns
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: or excuses. Is there something that you oftentimes just wish
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: you could tell these people. Is there one thing that
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: just jumps up over and over is like that challenge
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: you wish you could give everyone, or the thing like
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: everyone's looking for the magic bullet and you could say, well,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: I challenge you to do this, or or here's one
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: thing I really wish people would start working on, would
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: focus on. If you could leave people with one final
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: challenge today or one final parting piece of advice that
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: seems maybe somewhat universal. What would that be John, to
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: wrap us up here, be honest with your work ethic.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: And again this is going right back to where we started.
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  Speaker 1: So there's people that feel like they might put in
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  Speaker 1: the effort, but deep down are you really like can
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  Speaker 1: you really answer that question? People that come and say,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, I tried the silver back, it just
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  Speaker 1: wasn't for me, And it's like, how long? How long
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  Speaker 1: did you try it? While I tried in a week? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Well how much do you shoot in a week? You
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  Speaker 1: shoot three days a week? Well, yeah, maybe you know,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes four days? Okay, So you tried it four days
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  Speaker 1: and then you gave up on it. So that's not
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  Speaker 1: a fair time. So you really have to be truthful
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  Speaker 1: to yourself of what is your work ethic? And if
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  Speaker 1: you know your work ethics good, then also be truthful
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  Speaker 1: to yourself of are you looking at the right information.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm confident that if you're looking at the information
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  Speaker 1: that I give out, I'm confident that I'm giving out
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  Speaker 1: information that helps pool. And I'm confident in the information
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  Speaker 1: that I talked about or I don't talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: Um and if you can answer yes to both those things.
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  Speaker 1: I'm confident I did what you told me. I'm confident
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  Speaker 1: I'm putting in the time. Um. Then the last thing
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave you with is trusted. This past weekend,
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  Speaker 1: I was actually um driving through Arizona and uh, well
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  Speaker 1: I drove. I flew into one place and I drove
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  Speaker 1: to another, and then I ended up flying out of another. Um.
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  Speaker 1: Actually I flew to one. Yeah, I picked up to
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: fly to another, then drove to one, then flew back.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, um on, while I was there, I was
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  Speaker 1: in Tucson, and UM, the buddy I was with, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I said, does PSC still have their like pro shop
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  Speaker 1: and their outdoor range? And he said, yeah, yeah they do.
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  Speaker 1: And I said, I'm like, I want to see it,
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  Speaker 1: because I said, the last time I was here was
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  Speaker 1: I think it was twenty five years prior. And uh
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  Speaker 1: and I remember I remember shooting there with like Terry
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  Speaker 1: and Michelle Ragsdale. They came out and shot after work
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  Speaker 1: like it was. It was pretty cool. So I walked
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  Speaker 1: into an Archer shop. There were several guys in there
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  Speaker 1: that once I started talking and saying, like I remember,
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  Speaker 1: Terry was over there, and Michelle was over there and
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  Speaker 1: they heard my voice and they kind of looked and
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: they were like, oh my gosh, you're in here. And
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: a couple of them had silver backs, they had knock
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  Speaker 1: on fletchings, and I said, oh, this looks really cool,
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  Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, I did it all myself based
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  Speaker 1: on your videos. And just being able to say, dude,
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  Speaker 1: you did perfect, Now just trust it and shoot it.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's one of the biggest things for people,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: and it's the biggest things for high level archers that
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: get in slumps that end up coming to me is
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  Speaker 1: all they want is the reassurance of what they're doing
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  Speaker 1: is right, and way more times than not, what you're
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  Speaker 1: doing is right. You just really got to put in
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  Speaker 1: time and put in undistracted focus. One of the things
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  Speaker 1: that's hard right now is people, um, people take and
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm bad about this. There's times where I
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  Speaker 1: practice where I'm uninterrupted and I'll just make a I'll
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  Speaker 1: make a picture post about a a shot that I've done,
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  Speaker 1: um that was an hour or two hours earlier. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not like trying when I'm doing live feeds, are trying
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  Speaker 1: to make posts or texting, my friends are talking during
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  Speaker 1: my practice. It's very uninterrupted. It's very interrupted practice, and
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: it's not very good. Same things true with the weight
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  Speaker 1: round when people are like, dude, I go to the
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  Speaker 1: weight room every day, but I just never really change.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, hey, man, normally you're doing like three snapchats,
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  Speaker 1: you're freaking on Facebook, you're on Instagram, like you know,
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  Speaker 1: you're not actually going in there and being effective at
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  Speaker 1: what you're doing. So I just want to urge people
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  Speaker 1: that if you can look at yourself in the mirror
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  Speaker 1: and say I am I am willing to put in
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  Speaker 1: the time, and I'm confident that I did everything that
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: you told me and I'm not like making excuses for
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: things that might not feel comfortable this second, then the
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  Speaker 1: next thing is just trusted and just put in time
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  Speaker 1: because it takes. It's it's a proven fact psychologically it
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  Speaker 1: takes at least twenty one days to create a habit.
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  Speaker 1: So you have to commit to at least that before
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: you can feel like you're not doing something the right way.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: And that's like you said, this is a perfect way
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  Speaker 1: to wrap it up, kind of coming full circle talking
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  Speaker 1: about the importance of that ethic developing these good habits,
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  Speaker 1: sticking to your guns on things like this, and just
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: doing the work. So that the final thing I got
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: to ask John is just where can people find more
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: of this information from you? You talked about the fact
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: that you're very confident that the information you're putting out
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  Speaker 1: there is quality and spot on, which which Andy and
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: I can both personally test to. So so what would
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  Speaker 1: you recommend folks check out first to learn more? Um? Well,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: if you go to the knock On Archery YouTube channel, um,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: you can easily just type in, type in a subject
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: that you're thinking about, you know, and then maybe put
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: my put my name in front of it. Just John Dudley,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: how to shoot release, John Dudley, peep site, John Dudley
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: anchor position, and you're there's just hundreds and hundreds and
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: hundreds of videos in there on do that you know,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: are are about that? You know, how to fletch your narrow,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: how to set my sight up, how to tie a
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: de loop, how to tie a knocking point, I mean anything,
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  Speaker 1: just put it in there and then every day, like
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  Speaker 1: my most my most frequented UM place is Instagram. You know,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: it's at knock On TV n O c K O
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  Speaker 1: N t V. I definitely post as I'm practicing, I
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  Speaker 1: post results afterwards. I do a lot of live feeds
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: on there and make sure notifications are on because in
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: the middle of practice, if I've made a mistake and
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about it, I'll go on a
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: live feed and and show you, or I'll also talk
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: about things that I might be doing in the field
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: or things that I might be packing for a camp.
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  Speaker 1: So that's really my channels. And honestly, if I wasn't
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: doing what I'm doing now, there's no way I would
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: be out there on these things I'm I'm there for
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  Speaker 1: I'm there for the archery community in the bow hunting community,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: so if you're interested, those are the places to be
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  Speaker 1: perfect all right, John, Well, can't thank you enough. This
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: is as usual, always a lot of interesting stuff, a
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: lot of education, and Andy and I both really appreciate it.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: So thanks for taking this time. Yeah, thanks you guys.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: Thank thanks John. And that is it for today. I
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: gotta believe you're gonna leave this one inspired to start
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: kicking some butt, whether that's with your bow or out
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: in the woods. So don't let that energy fizz away.
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  Speaker 1: Get out there, and get after it hunting season. It
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  Speaker 1: is just on the horizon's gonna be here before we
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  Speaker 1: know it. So until next time, thank you for being here,
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  Speaker 1: and stay wired to hunt.