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A GLARING WEAKNESS!? Breaking Down OKC's Fatal Flaw Vs Top Teams! · Bring The Thunder Podcast

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  You're listening to the Bring the Thunder Podcast, a podcast
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  by fans, for fans. Indeed you are welcome
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  everybody, to another episode of the Bring the Thunder Podcast.
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  This episode's coming out pretty pretty quickly after the the
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  loss to Boston. And because of that, we have a
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  little bit of a topic for this episode talking about maybe some
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  concerns, maybe some some stressful things that we've seen
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  with this team recently. Joe, why don't you dive deeper
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  into what we will be doing today?
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  Two and six gentlemen, that is number 2 and.
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  Six against the Pistons, the Celtics and the Spurs this year.
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  Now we know we're one and one against Boston.
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  We're O and one against Detroit. But who played and we're also
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  what are? What are we one and three?
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  Against the Spurs one. And four, we're one and four
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  against the Spurs and we're one and two against the other two
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  so. There you go.
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  So. We'll be breaking down what's
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  gone wrong in those matchups. And is it time?
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  To be a little bit skeptical of this OKC.
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  Thunder team heading into the playoffs here.
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  Almost. Savvier.
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  I guess I'll kick it. To you to start.
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  Your thoughts on, you know, overall what went wrong in those
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  matchups? And and why?
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  Yeah, I feel like breaking each one down, I'd say probably it's
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  more of a matchup specific thing.
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  I took some notes for for that Celtics game.
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  And I think from them, like Tatum and Brown are just a
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  matchup nightmare cause most of our guards that would guard on
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  the perimeter are just a little bit smaller than they are.
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  Spurs have a similar, I guess, matchup issue with Wimby just
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  outsizing all our, you know, boards and centers essentially.
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  And the Pistons, their greatest strength is physicality.
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  And also they have a weird match up with Cade being a 68 point
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  guard. It feels like it's a common
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  theme between all three of these team teams is physicality and
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  size differences, whether at point guard or the board
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  position or the center position. And I guess I will jokingly say
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  like, let's, you know, draft a 74 center or I don't know, you
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  know, maybe slide some taller players into the line up or
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  something like that. Maybe not.
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  That's not too much of a joke either.
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  I think I texted you guys for like a Celtics match up.
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  Like I don't like undersized players or players that can't
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  space the floor. Like I heart maybe not the best
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  match up for a Celtics series versus Spurs.
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  He'd be perfect to fit in. J Wills probably a lot better
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  against the Celtics versus a Spurs match up.
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  And then Pistons, it feels like we just need as much physicality
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  on the floor like Crusoe, Dort, J Will, I heart all alongside
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  SGA, maybe for a fourth quarter run.
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  So they all kind of pose different things.
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  But the weakness seem to be kind of all the same where they're
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  trying to slow us down, create their own transition
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  opportunities and then also beat us in the rebounding battle.
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  The Celtics did that pretty well.
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  It feels like Wimby and the Spurs with their guards that are
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  a little bit taller do that really well.
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  And then same issue with the Pistons as well.
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  Like if you're able to, you know, limit us from three-point
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  shooting percentages and, you know, just have that
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  physicality, get that rebounds. Those are the main, I guess,
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  issues that we're running into. It's a common theme between all
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  three of them. Whether I'm worried or not.
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  Not really. When it comes to the playoffs,
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  Mark's shown that he'll limit the rotation to the right guys.
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  And like the Celtics game, I rewatched it.
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  We sat SGA in a moment where we typically wouldn't when it came
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  to a playoff series. Like we started going down 10
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  points. SGA would have gotten in even
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  before that lead was cut at all. So not not too worried.
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  What do you think, Gabe? For me, it depends.
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  It's pretty matchup dependent. You know, Boston, I'm just going
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  to come out immediately and say they're one of the ones that I'm
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  not concerned about. The reason being is we talked
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  about this a lot in the post game.
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  They live and die by the three and against us, more often than
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  not, I think they'll die by it because our defense is very
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  good. It forces that it takes.
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  I mean, Peyton Pritchard is a very talented player.
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  When you're taking shots that are 5 feet behind the
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  three-point line, that's just not a good shot.
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  And he hit those last night and that's why they won.
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  Like, that was big bad shot. It is a bad, like, I agree with
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  that statement. That's not a good shot.
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  So like when you have to rely on hitting all these threes against
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  the team that's one of the best defensive teams we've seen in
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  decades, it's just not a good look.
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  So I'm not concerned about Boston.
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  What bothers me more is San Antonio and Detroit.
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  San Antonio forces us to do something that we don't normally
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  do and that's turn the ball over.
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  And our times meeting against San Antonio, they've won the
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  turnover battle over half of the time.
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  I believe they won three of the five.
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  One of them we tied and one of them we won.
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  We don't turn the ball over them.
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  We are a very smart, intelligent team.
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  We're good at forcing turnovers. San Antonio runs at such a quick
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  pace and such a breakneck speed that it really puts our team out
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  of position, I think. And I think we figured that out
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  in our last game against them. I I think we kind of got a hold
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  of that better. But ultimately they're just good
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  at forcing us to do things we don't normally do.
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  And that makes me uncomfortable. I don't like the way that looks.
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  It's happened. It's not like it was a fluke.
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  It's happened multiple times this season against them.
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  They just force us to do things we don't want and they run the
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  transition phenomenally against us.
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  They always seem to get down immediately, force us into spots
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  we don't want to be, and that's because we're turning the ball
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  over. As for Detroit, you talk about
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  Saturday, they play more physical.
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  They do and I love it. Like that's I want matchups like
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  that. If anything, that's my finals.
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  That's what I would want would be US against Detroit.
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  I think that would be so fun. But what stands out to me in
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  terms of kind of concerning me with Detroit is that physical
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  battle that ultimately will end up not getting a whistle.
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  They'll let that become physical.
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  That's going to lead to injuries.
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  It's going to lead to exhaustion on both sides.
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  It's going to be rough. It's going to be physical.
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  It's going to and that scares me because ultimately we know this
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  team has been all over the place.
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  We fought through hell and back trying not to get hurt this year
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  and playing a team like Detroit, who it's going to get physical
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  chat against Jalen Duran, that scares me.
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  Duran is insanely strong. I would be worried.
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  I'd hope hearts on them more, but that's what concerns me
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  about those two teams. Detroit so physical, they're so
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  good and I don't think that they get a lot of call.
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  I don't think the IT would be a not heavily whistled match up
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  and I want that, but it would concern me.
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  I'd be scared for our players. And then like I mentioned with
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  Detroit or excuse me, like I mentioned with San Antonio, they
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  just push us, man. They do things we don't like to
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  get under our skin and, and it's it's becoming a mental thing too
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  with them that that's what concerns me.
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  Yeah, for me, I'm not worried about Detroit at all.
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  Like. It's actually the perfect match
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  up for OK C They're kind of similar physical.
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  Not a great 3 point shooting team.
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  You got the only way to beat OK C is 3 point shooting.
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  I mean that's like really it. And also if you have mismatches,
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  Detroit doesn't have any and I'm sure we'll see that.
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  I know that Kay probably won't play in the next what we play
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  them in a couple days or a week or so, but we'll see us run them
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  off the floor pretty easily. I think with Boston, I'm a bit
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  concerned. I'll take a little from each of
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  you there. Sabre brought up a good point.
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  Like we're a little undersized for their big forwards and
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  that's why I keep mentioning to people on our lives and just in
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  general, like Lou's got to start bro.
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  Because Lou's our biggest defender and Lou's not even tall
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  like. Lou's what, 6?
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  4 But he's a big dude, but he's not huge.
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  So it's it's it's. Interesting.
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  We got to keep. Lou on the floor out there
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  against Boston, that limits our offense.
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  While they're chucking up threes on a good night for Boston, they
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  can run us out of the gym. Now I will say like they had a
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  really good shooting night last night and we didn't and it was
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  still like a 5 point game with with like a minute and a half
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  two minutes left. And I also think the rotations
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  were just poor. But Savio brought up another
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  good point that like you know, SGA will come back in sooner,
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  but we'll see. One concern I do have, I know
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  he's played like a handful of games and I'm Jada because these
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  top teams hasn't been good. I think he's averaging like 14
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  points on like 45%. Not good.
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  And I know that he could get better and get back into his
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  groove. But he's got to do that.
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  Because the play offs are starting soon, like really soon,
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  and if we're going into the play offs and we're not, you know,
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  fully ready to go and that includes J dub we'll.
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  Just say we can't drop. In one or two games against the
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  eighth seed and all of a sudden you got to battle against the
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  eighth seed and then you get to the second round and you're
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  playing like Denver again. It's not a good situation for
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  OKC to be in. So they got to be ready and then
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  the Spurs. Here's what I'll say about San
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  Antonio. They got us early in the season.
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  I'll be honest, they were better.
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  They looked like a matchup nightmare and they look really
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  good this year. They still do.
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  I I stand by it. I think OKC figured them out in
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  that last game at home. I really do.
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  I mean, they absolutely destroyed San Antonio, held them
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  under 100, blew them out at home, wasn't much of A close
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  game at all and pretty much got whatever they wanted.
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  And that's without, you know. Jared.
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  McCain shooting off the bench and you know, we had Kenny on on
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  Wenbanama a lot, so I'm not. That's a series we could talk.
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  About when we get when it gets there.
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  I'll I'll also have to see how San Antonio was doing in the
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  playoffs like in their seven game series.
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  But that Celtics matchup scares the hell out of me.
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  I'm not going to lie SAP here. Yeah, I completely agree with a
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  lot of the points that you guys just made.
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  I have some quick stats to read off OKC against the Nuggets,
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  Cavs, Wolves, Lakers, Knicks are 10 and 2.
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  So that helps, you know, us make a better point of we're not just
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  bad against all the elite teams, just maybe particularly.
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  Yeah, just a handful. And then I guess the other part
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  was that was the main stat there.
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  But I did want to lean into what you're mentioning about J Dub.
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  I think he's got to be that consistent #2 that's probably
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  the biggest fix against all three of these teams.
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  I mean, if he gets back to playing elite defense on from
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  the perimeter and from kind of the center position, we need his
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  rebounding. We need his size in general.
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  Like he needs to play a lot better on ball reps, you know,
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  against the tougher defensive opponents because when he's
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  generally out there with SGA and Lou Dort, he's usually the guy.
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  He's the guy that's guarding the second best player.
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  Or you know, if Lou Dort's not out there, he's guarding the
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  best forward out there. So I feel like he can also be
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  the better secondary playmaker. I know they kind of had
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  different minutes in the last game, but I feel like the line
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  UPS around J Dub weren't as productive maybe as the ones
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  around SGA from a floor spacing perspective.
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  I think he needs maybe a little bit more support with maybe
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  having more shooters out there with him.
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  That's just my personal opinion. I think Mark kind of put him in
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  a tough spot, at least against this Celtics lineup, but those
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  are the main things that we can kind of improve on and just up
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  our size. Have Jada playing better and I
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  mean Chet and SGA been playing pretty much at a All Star level.
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  I did have a question for you guys here.
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  So what fixes do you guys want to see before the play offs?
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  I know me and Joe mentioned some.
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  What do you think, Gabe? I mean, not just to repeat what
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  you guys were saying, talk about Jada, because that's again,
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  that's kind of the one you can keep going back to.
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  But I want to see guys like Isaiah Joe, guys like McCain.
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  I want to see them in certain games where our defense is
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  handling business well. I want to see them get more
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  minutes than they're getting because there's some games where
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  they really fluctuate. And it's kind of concerns me and
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  makes me feel like the way that we kind of saw what happened to
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  Wiggins halfway through the season where he was getting
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  really consistent minutes and then all of a sudden it just
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  started tanking and tanking. And I understand why.
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  Like Wiggins, I get it. I understand why he went down.
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  I wish he didn't. But my fear is we get into a
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  playoff series where Mark gets really, really stubborn with his
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  starting line up, essentially where Isaiah, Joe and McCain
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  maybe suddenly are getting 10 minutes apiece because they
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  didn't kind of the Wiggins treatment where they don't come
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  out. And if they don't make their
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  first 3, that we might not see him come in again.
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  And that's something that we have not seen too much recently.
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  Joe, I know you and I recently been really giving Mark credit
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  for doing well with the Subs. But there have been some games
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  where ultimately it feels like we genuinely lose the game
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  because the Subs weren't correct.
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  And it's tough because we always say like, what a horrible job to
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  have to be the head coach of the Oklahoma City Thunder right now
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  because Oh my goodness, so much talent.
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  But at the same time, when it comes down to a really close
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  game that's in the playoffs and we're we're not hitting the
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  we're not hitting our shots. We can't get things figured out.
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  But at the same time, our defense is struggling.
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  He's got to sit there and look at Cason Wallace, Alex Caruso,
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  Isaiah Joe, Jared McCain and decide which one of these guys
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  do I put in right now. And that's really tough.
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  And that's something that I want to see get improved is
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  ultimately I want to see a couple of those guys really
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  cement a reason for why they should be the one who's getting
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  minutes. Cason, he has streaks where he's
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  so, so helpful because that offensive part of his game
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  starts to rise. The defense is literally always
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  there. Cason is always going to be an
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  elite defender. The offense is so streaky.
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  It's super streaky where and it's not necessarily where it's
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  like Lou Dort, where Dort can just Dort shooting.
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  He's shooting no matter what. Cason just decide that the
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  confidence is gone and he's not shooting three shots and he's
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  done. And then guys like Caruso, you
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  don't want to trade out that veteran presence in a playoff
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  scenario. You want that.
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  You know what he brings and when he's on.
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  Same thing when he's on. Holy crap, Joe, we were talking
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  about last night. He can win US a game by himself
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  if he comes and hits three of his threes.
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  So then there's the argument for him.
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  But then you got both Joe and McCain, two guys who are snipers
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  who can come in and absolutely carry us in terms of three-point
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  shooting, in which we have a guard who leads the NBA and is
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  one of the best at creating open shots.
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  But then the downside is they're not the best defenders.
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  So I want to see a couple bench guys step up and really show
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  that they are the reason they need to be played.
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  So that way Mark doesn't get put into this tough scenario where
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  he's got to pick between 6 different guys and ultimately
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  feels like he makes the wrong choice.
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  So. Unfortunate that we got here
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  because, you know, we. We tried our best, I can't lie.
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  But what we just broke down was it's the rotations and making
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  shots. That's all it is.
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  Like, OK, C, they're going to win games if they make their
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  shots and their coach doesn't lose them the game.
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  That's pretty much what we just told you, and I guess that's all
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  we've been saying the whole year.
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  I'll do one better, Joe. We've been saying that since we
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  started this podcast. That has been the most, it's the
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  most common thing with OK C because we're that good.
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  We're so good and we've been so good that the depth and the
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  amount of talent this team has, it's it's, it's a blessing and a
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  weakness. It really is.
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  It's a curse and a blessing because it's it's so nice to
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  have all these different rotations to throw out.
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  But ultimately what happens when every single player off that
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  bench isn't feeling it? What do you do then?
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  You have no one to turn to. And now all of a sudden it turns
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  into what last night looked like where she is doing everything in
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  his power to win the game and no one else is showing up.
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  It rising at the Raptors game earlier in the season, same
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  thing. Shay was doing everything in his
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  power and not a single player could score off the bench.
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  And ultimately that's what happened.
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  That Shay cannot win every single game for us.
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  He's got to have guys to step up and it's Mark's job to decide
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  who's going to be the one to step up tonight.
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  And ultimately, sometimes I'm not confident in his ability to
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  make that choice. So to recap, it's J dub, it's
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  the rotations, it's the bench. And it's Mark Dagnold pretty
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  much. I do want to mention one thing.
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  Do you know that Luka Doncic has a like not?
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  Like 78 more fouls drawn than Shay this year and the same
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  amount of games played. And you won't see that anywhere.
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  You will never see that. That's that's a wonderful
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  statue. I think we should post that on.
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  Our Instagram You know that in three less games played.
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  Denny Denny Adya has more fouls drawn than Shay.
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  OK, that is actually crazy. I I Jarvis.
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  Clip You know that in three less games played Devin.
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  Booker has more fouls drawn than Jay.
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  I'm not liking. What I'm hearing, Joe, you know
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  that in three less games play, Nikola Jokic has more fouls
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  drawn than Jay. This ABS I'm so I'm not.
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  Enjoying these stats at all? Really any.
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  Any last? Words here.
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  We need to make our shots. That was the other key point
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  that you didn't put in there. But defensively, we're the
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  number one defense and at the end of the day, it just comes
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  down to the shot making. As long as we make shots at a
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  better than 32% clip, like if we can get close to 3538% even,
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  pretty much unbeatable. I know Gabe's made this point a
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  bunch of times and we thought we had it with McCain and Joe.
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  When it doesn't work, it just, you know, feels super, I guess,
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  aggravating because we know we're able to win pretty much
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  every other matchup. I mean, I think there was a stat
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  alongside that two and six one where we're like 55 and 10
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  against every other opponent. So really only losing to these
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  couple matchups and the rest of them we can just win strictly
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  off of defense. These other three, I think we've
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  got to get our shot makers involved, but they just got to
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  hit shots. Like SGA was passing out a
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  bunch. He got 33 points by himself on
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  great efficiency, so you can't even blame the loss on him
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  'cause he's your star player, playing amazing and is on top of
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  it sharing the basketball as much as he can.
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  I think he got ten assist regardless and there were still
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  more assists to be had. He could have had 10 more.
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  There were just not enough shots that were made.
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  So I it's been a consistent theme for the whole year.
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  Yes, I'd be curious to see if there's a stat for in in terms
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  of open shots created because it it would be a tough stat to
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  figure out given what's considered, but I know there's
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  something like that. I feel like even if the numbers
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  don't have him ranked high, if you just watch him play, it's so
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  obvious that he is one of the best when it comes to finding
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  the open man and he'll do it effortlessly.
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  I mean, there are a few times where we've seen Shay have that
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  Allen Iverson, Carmelo Anthony mentality where it's like, yeah,
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  there's a guy wide open in the corner, but screw him, I'm
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  putting this up. You know, Shay will look for
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  that open guy. And I, I like that.
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  I prefer that decision. But like Savier said, we got to
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  start hitting those shots because ultimately that's
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  starting to limit Shay's ability.
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  And it's not because of him. It's because Shay's going to
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  always lay down his own opportunity to get his teammates
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  open. So it's it's hurting Shay.
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  It's hurting what he could be doing because he's never going
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  to take that. He's very rarely going to step
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  up and take that shot because he wants someone else to hit it.
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  And I mean, there's times where he takes over.
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  There's times where we've seen it.
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  You can see the look in his eyes.
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  He gets aggressive. He scores like 14 points and 1/4
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  and you're just like, this guy's insane. 9 times out of 10
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  though, he's he's hitting the open guy and he's going to keep
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  doing that. And ultimately what I just want
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  to end off with here on my good note though is to add is we just
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  won the finals and we just got so much experience from it.
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  These are regular season games. Loud City's going to take over
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  and when we're on the road, we are winning games in the play
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  offs last year as well. We have the experience.
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  We just came off a championship. I feel like our whole team's
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  going to step up when they need to.
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  That's kind of where I'm going to end my points is we we're the
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  we're the reigning champs. You know there, there's
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  something that goes to that. It's not just luck.
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  It's not just like, oh, well, you won it last year.
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  So whatever. We just went all the way
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  through. We just made it.
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  We had a hard fight all the way through.
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  We had to went to game seven with the best team behind us.
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  Like we're battle tested. I think everyone's going to step
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  up. All right, we will wrap it up
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  there. Thank you guys so much for
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