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Theological Reflections with Comicbook Characters: Liberation Theology and Open & Relational Theology · Systematic Geekology

• 1:14
  How
• 1:14
  would
• 1:15
  our
• 1:15
  favorite
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  comic
• 1:17
  book
• 1:17
  characters
• 1:18
  interact
• 1:19
  with
• 1:20
  open
• 1:20
  relational
• 1:20
  theology
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  and.
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  Or
• 1:22
  liberation
• 1:23
  theology?
• 1:24
  Guys,
• 1:24
  this
• 1:24
  is
• 1:24
  going
• 1:25
  to
• 1:25
  be
• 1:25
  a
• 1:25
  really
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  unique
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  and
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  particularly
• 1:27
  targeted
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  episode.
• 1:29
  Some
• 1:29
  of
• 1:29
  our
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  more
• 1:30
  theologically
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  inclined
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  nerds
• 1:32
  and
• 1:33
  geeks
• 1:33
  listening
• 1:34
  out
• 1:34
  there.
• 1:35
  We're
• 1:35
  going
• 1:35
  to
• 1:35
  be
• 1:35
  talking
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  about
• 1:36
  liberation
• 1:36
  theology,
• 1:36
  open
• 1:37
  and
• 1:37
  relational
• 1:37
  theology,
• 1:38
  what
• 1:38
  those
• 1:38
  things
• 1:39
  are.
• 1:39
  We're
• 1:39
  going
• 1:40
  to
• 1:40
  give
• 1:40
  our
• 1:40
  own
• 1:40
  takes
• 1:40
  to
• 1:40
  it.
• 1:41
  And
• 1:41
  then
• 1:42
  after
• 1:42
  that,
• 1:43
  we're
• 1:43
  gonna
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  add
• 1:43
  in
• 1:44
  one
• 1:44
  character
• 1:44
  at
• 1:44
  a
• 1:45
  time
• 1:45
  to
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  join
• 1:45
  the
• 1:45
  conversation
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  by
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  rolling
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  the
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  dice.
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  So
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  we
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  might
• 1:49
  have
• 1:49
  Iron
• 1:49
  man
• 1:49
  jump
• 1:50
  in
• 1:50
  here
• 1:50
  talking
• 1:50
  with
• 1:50
  us.
• 1:51
  We
• 1:51
  might
• 1:51
  have
• 1:51
  Luke
• 1:52
  Cage,
• 1:52
  Spider
• 1:52
  Man.
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  Who
• 1:53
  knows?
• 1:53
  Who
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  knows
• 1:54
  who's
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  gonna
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  join
• 1:54
  this
• 1:54
  conversation
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  and
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  talk
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  with
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  us
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  about
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  what
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  they
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  would,
• 1:57
  how
• 1:57
  they
• 1:57
  might
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  react,
• 1:58
  these
• 1:58
  thoughts,
• 1:59
  these
• 1:59
  different
• 1:59
  theological
• 2:00
  concepts.
• 2:00
  So
• 2:01
  it's
• 2:01
  gonna
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  be
• 2:01
  a
• 2:01
  lot
• 2:01
  of
• 2:01
  fun.
• 2:02
  It's
• 2:02
  gonna
• 2:02
  be
• 2:02
  weird.
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  So
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  we
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  are
• 2:03
  assuming
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  that
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  you
• 2:04
  guys
• 2:04
  have
• 2:05
  some
• 2:05
  knowledge
• 2:05
  of
• 2:05
  who
• 2:05
  the
• 2:06
  comic
• 2:06
  book
• 2:06
  characters
• 2:07
  are.
• 2:07
  We'll
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  unpack
• 2:08
  a
• 2:08
  little
• 2:08
  bit,
• 2:08
  but
• 2:09
  we're
• 2:09
  not
• 2:09
  going
• 2:09
  to
• 2:09
  go
• 2:09
  into
• 2:09
  detail.
• 2:11
  We're
• 2:11
  going
• 2:11
  to
• 2:11
  unpack
• 2:11
  a
• 2:11
  little
• 2:11
  bit
• 2:12
  what
• 2:12
  this
• 2:12
  theology
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  is,
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  but
• 2:13
  we
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  are
• 2:13
  not
• 2:13
  experts
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  on
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  either
• 2:14
  of
• 2:14
  them,
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  so
• 2:16
  we
• 2:16
  have
• 2:16
  a
• 2:16
  good
• 2:16
  idea
• 2:17
  what
• 2:17
  they
• 2:17
  are.
• 2:17
  I
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  think
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  we
• 2:18
  got
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  a
• 2:19
  good
• 2:19
  handle
• 2:19
  on
• 2:19
  it,
• 2:19
  but,
• 2:20
  like,
• 2:20
  we
• 2:20
  expect
• 2:20
  you
• 2:21
  guys
• 2:21
  to
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  know
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  at
• 2:21
  least
• 2:21
  a
• 2:22
  little
• 2:22
  bit
• 2:22
  going
• 2:23
  into
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  this
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  one,
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  or
• 2:24
  you
• 2:24
  might
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  be
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  lost.
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  I
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  am
• 2:27
  Joshua
• 2:27
  Noel.
• 2:28
  Josh
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  with
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  the
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  bad
• 2:29
  opinions
• 2:29
  is
• 2:30
  what
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  they
• 2:30
  call
• 2:30
  me.
• 2:30
  I
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  am
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  here
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  with
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  the
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  one
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  and
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  only
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  magic
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  kid,
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  Pastor
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  Will
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  Rose
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  the
• 2:36
  Thrill
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  from
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  Chapel
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  Hill.
• 2:37
  How's
• 2:37
  it
• 2:37
  going?
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  I'm
• 2:39
  feeling
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  good.
• 2:40
  Internet's
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  a
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  little
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  choppy.
• 2:41
  I
• 2:41
  might
• 2:41
  look
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  like
• 2:42
  a
• 2:42
  robot,
• 2:42
  but
• 2:42
  I
• 2:42
  don't.
• 2:42
  I
• 2:43
  don't
• 2:43
  care.
• 2:43
  We're
• 2:43
  gonna
• 2:43
  keep
• 2:43
  going
• 2:44
  until
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  the
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  Internet
• 2:44
  kicks
• 2:45
  me
• 2:45
  off.
• 2:45
  Yeah.
• 2:46
  We
• 2:46
  are
• 2:47
  also
• 2:47
  here
• 2:47
  with
• 2:47
  a
• 2:47
  fantastic
• 2:48
  guest.
• 2:48
  We
• 2:48
  introduced
• 2:49
  her
• 2:49
  on
• 2:50
  a
• 2:50
  fun
• 2:50
  YouTube
• 2:51
  pre
• 2:51
  game
• 2:52
  that
• 2:52
  we
• 2:52
  did.
• 2:52
  And
• 2:53
  if
• 2:53
  you're
• 2:53
  listening
• 2:53
  to
• 2:53
  this
• 2:54
  and
• 2:54
  you're
• 2:54
  like,
• 2:54
  what?
• 2:54
  Pregame?
• 2:55
  Yep.
• 2:55
  Only
• 2:55
  on
• 2:56
  YouTube.
• 2:56
  We
• 2:56
  did
• 2:56
  a
• 2:56
  little
• 2:56
  segment
• 2:57
  over
• 2:57
  there.
• 2:57
  You
• 2:57
  guys
• 2:57
  should
• 2:58
  go
• 2:58
  check
• 2:58
  it
• 2:58
  out.
• 2:58
  It's
• 2:58
  a
• 2:59
  lot
• 2:59
  of
• 2:59
  fun.
• 3:00
  We
• 3:00
  are
• 3:00
  gonna
• 3:01
  introduce
• 3:01
  Jill
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  a
• 3:02
  little
• 3:02
  bit
• 3:02
  more
• 3:02
  here
• 3:03
  in
• 3:03
  a
• 3:03
  minute,
• 3:03
  but,
• 3:03
  Jill,
• 3:04
  Elizabeth,
• 3:04
  thank
• 3:04
  you
• 3:04
  so
• 3:05
  much
• 3:05
  for
• 3:05
  joining
• 3:05
  us.
• 3:05
  It's
• 3:06
  great
• 3:06
  to
• 3:06
  have
• 3:06
  you.
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  Thanks
• 3:07
  for
• 3:07
  having
• 3:07
  me.
• 3:07
  I'm
• 3:08
  super
• 3:08
  excited
• 3:08
  to
• 3:09
  talk
• 3:09
  heroes
• 3:10
  and
• 3:10
  villains
• 3:10
  with
• 3:10
  you
• 3:10
  today.
• 3:11
  Oh,
• 3:11
  yeah,
• 3:12
  yeah.
• 3:12
  We
• 3:12
  are
• 3:13
  going
• 3:13
  to
• 3:13
  have
• 3:13
  a
• 3:13
  blast.
• 3:14
  I
• 3:14
  met
• 3:14
  Jill
• 3:15
  at
• 3:15
  the
• 3:15
  open
• 3:15
  and
• 3:15
  relational
• 3:17
  conference
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  with
• 3:18
  Tom
• 3:19
  Ord
• 3:19
  and
• 3:19
  Josh
• 3:20
  Patterson,
• 3:20
  all
• 3:20
  them
• 3:20
  up
• 3:21
  in
• 3:21
  the
• 3:21
  mountains.
• 3:21
  And
• 3:23
  she
• 3:23
  did
• 3:24
  a
• 3:24
  presentation
• 3:24
  and
• 3:25
  mentioned
• 3:25
  being
• 3:25
  a
• 3:25
  Marvel
• 3:26
  nerd.
• 3:26
  And
• 3:26
  I
• 3:26
  was
• 3:26
  like,
• 3:27
  oh,
• 3:27
  okay.
• 3:27
  We're
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  going
• 3:28
  to.
• 3:28
  We're
• 3:28
  going
• 3:28
  to
• 3:28
  be
• 3:28
  friends.
• 3:28
  And
• 3:29
  here
• 3:29
  we
• 3:29
  are
• 3:31
  so.
• 3:31
  Can't
• 3:32
  wait
• 3:32
  for
• 3:32
  this.
• 3:32
  As
• 3:32
  always,
• 3:33
  we
• 3:33
  do
• 3:33
  like
• 3:33
  to
• 3:33
  ask
• 3:33
  everybody
• 3:34
  what
• 3:34
  you've
• 3:34
  been
• 3:34
  geeking
• 3:35
  out
• 3:35
  on
• 3:35
  lately.
• 3:36
  Mine
• 3:36
  is
• 3:37
  easy.
• 3:37
  It's
• 3:38
  a
• 3:38
  shock
• 3:38
  to
• 3:39
  one
• 3:39
  at
• 3:39
  all.
• 3:41
  I'm
• 3:41
  getting
• 3:41
  ready
• 3:41
  to
• 3:42
  go
• 3:42
  to
• 3:42
  Disney
• 3:42
  World,
• 3:42
  so
• 3:43
  I've
• 3:44
  naturally
• 3:44
  been
• 3:45
  playing
• 3:45
  Kingdom
• 3:46
  Hearts
• 3:46
  to
• 3:46
  prepare.
• 3:47
  So,
• 3:47
  yeah,
• 3:49
  love
• 3:49
  it.
• 3:50
  I
• 3:50
  almost
• 3:50
  had
• 3:51
  a
• 3:51
  Halloween
• 3:51
  costume
• 3:52
  being
• 3:52
  Darkwing
• 3:52
  Duck
• 3:53
  because
• 3:54
  we
• 3:54
  can
• 3:54
  dress
• 3:54
  up
• 3:54
  for
• 3:54
  Halloween.
• 3:55
  But
• 3:55
  then
• 3:55
  I
• 3:56
  was
• 3:56
  like,
• 3:57
  we
• 3:57
  had
• 3:57
  some
• 3:57
  other
• 3:57
  ideas,
• 3:58
  so
• 3:58
  I'm
• 3:58
  not
• 3:58
  gonna
• 3:59
  do
• 3:59
  that.
• 3:59
  Will
• 3:59
  won't
• 4:00
  have
• 4:00
  to
• 4:00
  drink
• 4:00
  as
• 4:00
  much.
• 4:02
  Will,
• 4:02
  what
• 4:03
  you
• 4:03
  been
• 4:03
  geeking
• 4:03
  out
• 4:03
  on
• 4:03
  lately?
• 4:05
  I.
• 4:06
  I'm
• 4:06
  really
• 4:06
  loving
• 4:07
  the
• 4:07
  latest
• 4:09
  with
• 4:09
  the
• 4:09
  Alien
• 4:10
  franchise,
• 4:11
  Alien
• 4:12
  Earth.
• 4:14
  This
• 4:14
  on
• 4:14
  Hulu
• 4:15
  fx.
• 4:15
  The
• 4:16
  first
• 4:16
  two
• 4:16
  video
• 4:17
  episodes
• 4:17
  have
• 4:18
  dropped
• 4:18
  ready
• 4:19
  for
• 4:19
  Tuesday
• 4:19
  night
• 4:19
  for
• 4:20
  the
• 4:20
  third
• 4:20
  one.
• 4:20
  I.
• 4:21
  I
• 4:21
  don't
• 4:21
  know
• 4:22
  when
• 4:22
  you're
• 4:22
  listening
• 4:22
  to
• 4:22
  this,
• 4:22
  there's.
• 4:23
  There's
• 4:23
  some
• 4:23
  episodes
• 4:23
  out
• 4:24
  there,
• 4:24
  but
• 4:24
  I'm
• 4:24
  really
• 4:24
  liking
• 4:25
  this
• 4:25
  addition
• 4:25
  to
• 4:26
  the
• 4:26
  Alien
• 4:26
  universe
• 4:27
  and
• 4:28
  some
• 4:28
  of
• 4:28
  our
• 4:28
  friends
• 4:29
  that
• 4:29
  love
• 4:31
  cosmic
• 4:31
  sci
• 4:31
  fi
• 4:32
  horror.
• 4:32
  I
• 4:33
  think
• 4:33
  this
• 4:33
  is
• 4:33
  a
• 4:33
  good
• 4:33
  addition
• 4:33
  to
• 4:34
  the
• 4:34
  franchise.
• 4:34
  Yeah,
• 4:35
  yeah,
• 4:35
  I've
• 4:35
  heard
• 4:35
  good
• 4:35
  stuff.
• 4:36
  I'm
• 4:37
  really
• 4:37
  wanting
• 4:37
  to
• 4:37
  get
• 4:37
  into
• 4:37
  it.
• 4:38
  I'll
• 4:38
  probably
• 4:38
  wait
• 4:38
  till
• 4:38
  after
• 4:38
  Disney
• 4:39
  because
• 4:39
  I
• 4:39
  just
• 4:39
  have
• 4:39
  too
• 4:39
  much
• 4:40
  hype
• 4:40
  to
• 4:40
  focus
• 4:40
  on
• 4:40
  other
• 4:41
  things.
• 4:41
  It's
• 4:42
  a
• 4:42
  real
• 4:42
  problem.
• 4:42
  I'm
• 4:43
  like
• 4:43
  hyper
• 4:43
  focused
• 4:44
  now,
• 4:44
  the
• 4:44
  ADHD
• 4:45
  thing.
• 4:46
  Jill,
• 4:46
  what
• 4:47
  have
• 4:47
  you
• 4:47
  been
• 4:47
  geeking
• 4:47
  out
• 4:47
  on
• 4:47
  lately?
• 4:48
  I
• 4:48
  got
• 4:48
  a
• 4:49
  couple
• 4:49
  things.
• 4:49
  So
• 4:50
  because
• 4:50
  of
• 4:51
  open
• 4:51
  and
• 4:51
  relational
• 4:52
  conference,
• 4:53
  I
• 4:53
  came
• 4:53
  home
• 4:53
  with
• 4:54
  a
• 4:54
  thousand
• 4:54
  books.
• 4:55
  Everybody
• 4:55
  there
• 4:56
  is
• 4:56
  a
• 4:56
  doctor,
• 4:57
  so
• 4:58
  they
• 4:58
  pass
• 4:58
  out
• 4:58
  books
• 4:59
  like
• 4:59
  other
• 4:59
  way
• 5:00
  people
• 5:00
  pass
• 5:00
  out
• 5:00
  business
• 5:01
  cards.
• 5:01
  And
• 5:03
  I've
• 5:03
  been
• 5:03
  working
• 5:03
  my
• 5:04
  way
• 5:04
  through
• 5:04
  my
• 5:05
  stack
• 5:06
  so
• 5:06
  that
• 5:06
  I'm
• 5:07
  definitely
• 5:07
  geeking
• 5:07
  out
• 5:07
  on.
• 5:08
  But
• 5:08
  I
• 5:08
  just
• 5:08
  started
• 5:08
  a
• 5:09
  new
• 5:09
  Netflix
• 5:09
  series
• 5:10
  called
• 5:10
  Forever
• 5:11
  and
• 5:11
  it's
• 5:12
  loosely
• 5:12
  based
• 5:12
  on
• 5:13
  a
• 5:13
  Judy
• 5:13
  Blume
• 5:13
  novel.
• 5:14
  I'm
• 5:14
  really
• 5:15
  loving
• 5:15
  it.
• 5:15
  It's
• 5:16
  like
• 5:16
  a
• 5:16
  very
• 5:16
  2000s
• 5:18
  interpretation
• 5:19
  of
• 5:19
  this
• 5:20
  high
• 5:20
  school
• 5:20
  romance.
• 5:21
  Ooh.
• 5:22
  Okay.
• 5:22
  Fun,
• 5:23
  fun.
• 5:24
  Interesting.
• 5:25
  Yeah,
• 5:26
  Mike
• 5:26
  has
• 5:26
  me
• 5:27
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• 5:27
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• 5:28
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• 5:28
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• 5:28
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• 5:29
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• 5:29
  Pretty
• 5:29
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• 5:29
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• 5:31
  Everywhere.
• 5:32
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• 5:32
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• 5:32
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• 5:32
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• 5:32
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• 5:33
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• 5:33
  like,
• 5:33
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• 5:34
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• 5:34
  it
• 5:34
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• 5:34
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• 5:34
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• 5:34
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• 5:34
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• 5:34
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• 5:35
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• 5:35
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• 5:35
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• 5:35
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• 5:36
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• 5:37
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• 5:38
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• 5:38
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• 5:38
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• 5:38
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• 5:39
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• 5:41
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• 5:41
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• 5:41
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• 5:42
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• 5:42
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• 5:43
  Why
• 5:43
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• 5:43
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• 5:43
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• 5:43
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• 5:44
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• 5:44
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• 5:44
  And
• 5:45
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• 5:45
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• 5:45
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• 5:45
  oh,
• 5:46
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• 5:46
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• 5:46
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• 5:46
  Yeah.
• 5:48
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• 5:48
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• 5:48
  guys.
• 5:49
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• 5:49
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• 5:49
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• 5:49
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• 5:49
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• 5:49
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• 5:50
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• 5:53
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• 5:54
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• 5:54
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• 5:55
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• 5:55
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• 5:55
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• 5:55
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• 5:55
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• 5:57
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• 5:57
  Help
• 5:57
  our
• 5:57
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• 5:57
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• 5:58
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• 5:58
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• 5:59
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• 5:59
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• 5:59
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• 5:59
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• 5:59
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• 5:59
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  search
• 6:01
  engines
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• 6:01
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• 6:02
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• 6:03
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• 6:03
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• 6:03
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• 6:04
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• 6:05
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• 6:06
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• 6:06
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• 6:06
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• 6:07
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• 6:08
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• 6:08
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• 6:08
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• 6:08
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• 6:09
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• 6:09
  Podcasts
• 6:09
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• 6:10
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• 6:10
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• 6:10
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• 6:10
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• 6:10
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• 6:10
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• 6:11
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• 6:11
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• 6:11
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• 6:11
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• 6:12
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• 6:12
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• 6:13
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• 6:13
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• 6:13
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• 6:13
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• 6:14
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• 6:14
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• 6:14
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• 6:14
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• 6:14
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• 6:15
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• 6:15
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• 6:15
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• 6:15
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• 6:15
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• 6:16
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• 6:16
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• 6:16
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• 6:16
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• 6:17
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• 6:17
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• 6:17
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• 6:17
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• 6:18
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• 6:18
  thank
• 6:18
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• 6:18
  guys
• 6:18
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• 6:19
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• 6:19
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• 6:19
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• 6:19
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• 6:19
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• 6:20
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• 6:20
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• 6:20
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• 6:21
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• 6:22
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• 6:22
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• 6:23
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• 6:23
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• 6:23
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• 6:23
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• 6:24
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• 6:24
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• 6:25
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• 6:25
  support
• 6:25
  the
• 6:26
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• 6:26
  financially
• 6:27
  on
• 6:27
  Apple
• 6:27
  Podcasts
• 6:27
  Captivator
• 6:28
  Patreon.
• 6:29
  And
• 6:29
  that's
• 6:30
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• 6:30
  Russell
• 6:30
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• 6:30
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• 6:31
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• 6:31
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• 6:32
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• 6:32
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• 6:32
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• 6:32
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• 6:32
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• 6:33
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• 6:36
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• 6:36
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• 6:36
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• 6:37
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• 6:37
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• 6:37
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• 6:37
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• 6:37
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• 6:38
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• 6:38
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• 6:39
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• 6:39
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• 6:40
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• 6:41
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• 6:41
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• 6:41
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• 6:41
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• 6:42
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• 6:42
  supporting
• 6:42
  our
• 6:42
  show
• 6:42
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• 6:43
  $3
• 6:43
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• 6:43
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• 6:43
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• 6:43
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• 6:44
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• 6:44
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• 6:44
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• 6:44
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• 6:45
  Apple
• 6:46
  Podcast,
• 6:47
  Captivate
• 6:47
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• 6:48
  Patreon.
• 6:50
  And
• 6:50
  I
• 6:50
  already
• 6:50
  mentioned
• 6:50
  our
• 6:50
  pregame
• 6:51
  episode
• 6:51
  on
• 6:51
  YouTube.
• 6:52
  Check
• 6:52
  that
• 6:53
  out.
• 6:53
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• 6:54
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• 6:55
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• 6:55
  further
• 6:55
  ado,
• 6:56
  it's
• 6:57
  time
• 6:57
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• 6:57
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• 6:58
  into
• 6:58
  the
• 6:59
  episode
• 6:59
  proper
• 6:59
  here.
• 7:01
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• 7:01
  can't
• 7:01
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• 7:02
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• 7:02
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• 7:03
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• 7:04
  address
• 7:04
  Jill.
• 7:05
  Could
• 7:05
  you
• 7:05
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• 7:05
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• 7:06
  a
• 7:06
  little
• 7:06
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• 7:06
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• 7:06
  what
• 7:06
  you
• 7:07
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• 7:08
  Let
• 7:08
  our
• 7:08
  listeners
• 7:08
  know
• 7:08
  a
• 7:09
  little
• 7:09
  bit
• 7:09
  more
• 7:09
  about
• 7:09
  yourself
• 7:09
  if
• 7:10
  they
• 7:10
  haven't
• 7:10
  watched
• 7:10
  the
• 7:10
  pregame,
• 7:11
  which
• 7:11
  they
• 7:11
  should
• 7:11
  just
• 7:11
  go
• 7:11
  back
• 7:12
  and
• 7:12
  watch.
• 7:13
  And
• 7:13
  like,
• 7:14
  how
• 7:15
  does
• 7:15
  today's
• 7:16
  topics
• 7:16
  kind
• 7:16
  of
• 7:16
  line
• 7:16
  up
• 7:16
  with
• 7:16
  your
• 7:17
  own
• 7:17
  interest?
• 7:18
  Yeah,
• 7:18
  absolutely.
• 7:19
  So
• 7:19
  I
• 7:19
  have
• 7:19
  a
• 7:19
  million
• 7:20
  jobs
• 7:20
  because
• 7:20
  I'm
• 7:21
  West
• 7:21
  African
• 7:21
  and
• 7:21
  I
• 7:22
  really
• 7:22
  love
• 7:22
  to
• 7:22
  work.
• 7:23
  My
• 7:23
  husband
• 7:24
  and
• 7:24
  I
• 7:24
  own
• 7:24
  a
• 7:24
  barbershop
• 7:25
  and
• 7:25
  that
• 7:25
  is
• 7:25
  where
• 7:26
  we
• 7:26
  have
• 7:26
  just
• 7:26
  created
• 7:27
  micro
• 7:27
  community
• 7:28
  of
• 7:28
  people
• 7:29
  that
• 7:29
  come
• 7:29
  and
• 7:30
  share
• 7:30
  their
• 7:30
  whole
• 7:30
  lives
• 7:31
  with
• 7:31
  us.
• 7:31
  And
• 7:31
  we
• 7:31
  love
• 7:31
  it.
• 7:32
  We've
• 7:32
  been
• 7:32
  there
• 7:32
  for
• 7:32
  10
• 7:32
  years.
• 7:33
  I
• 7:34
  also
• 7:34
  help
• 7:35
  a
• 7:35
  good
• 7:35
  friend
• 7:35
  of
• 7:36
  mine
• 7:36
  run
• 7:36
  an
• 7:36
  international
• 7:37
  nonprofit
• 7:38
  where
• 7:39
  I
• 7:40
  we
• 7:40
  provide
• 7:41
  literacy
• 7:41
  classes
• 7:42
  and
• 7:42
  business
• 7:43
  classes
• 7:43
  for
• 7:43
  marginalized
• 7:44
  women
• 7:44
  in
• 7:45
  rural
• 7:45
  Uganda
• 7:46
  and
• 7:46
  serve
• 7:47
  leaders
• 7:47
  from
• 7:47
  all
• 7:48
  over
• 7:48
  the
• 7:48
  world
• 7:48
  by
• 7:48
  offering
• 7:49
  them
• 7:49
  retreats
• 7:50
  here
• 7:50
  at
• 7:50
  home.
• 7:51
  Basically
• 7:51
  I
• 7:51
  just
• 7:52
  love
• 7:52
  humanity.
• 7:53
  I
• 7:53
  am
• 7:53
  for
• 7:54
  liberation
• 7:54
  and
• 7:55
  joy
• 7:55
  for
• 7:55
  all
• 7:56
  people
• 7:56
  everywhere.
• 7:58
  And
• 7:58
  I
• 7:58
  started
• 7:59
  today's
• 7:59
  topics
• 8:00
  relate
• 8:00
  to
• 8:00
  me
• 8:01
  because
• 8:01
  I
• 8:01
  started
• 8:01
  reading
• 8:02
  comic
• 8:02
  books
• 8:02
  with
• 8:02
  my
• 8:03
  kiddo,
• 8:03
  my
• 8:04
  18
• 8:04
  year
• 8:04
  old
• 8:04
  that
• 8:04
  I
• 8:05
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• 8:05
  dropped
• 8:05
  off
• 8:06
  at
• 8:06
  college
• 8:06
  on
• 8:06
  Sunday
• 8:07
  when
• 8:08
  he
• 8:08
  was
• 8:08
  first
• 8:08
  learning
• 8:09
  how
• 8:09
  to
• 8:09
  read
• 8:10
  comic
• 8:10
  books
• 8:11
  and
• 8:11
  graphic
• 8:11
  novels
• 8:12
  were
• 8:12
  his
• 8:12
  jam
• 8:13
  and
• 8:14
  I
• 8:14
  wanted
• 8:14
  to
• 8:15
  have
• 8:15
  a
• 8:15
  special
• 8:16
  connection
• 8:16
  with
• 8:16
  him
• 8:17
  so
• 8:17
  I
• 8:17
  made
• 8:17
  them
• 8:18
  my
• 8:18
  jam.
• 8:19
  And
• 8:19
  then
• 8:19
  we
• 8:19
  kind
• 8:20
  of
• 8:20
  switched
• 8:20
  over
• 8:20
  to
• 8:21
  movies
• 8:22
  and
• 8:22
  started
• 8:22
  watching
• 8:23
  all
• 8:23
  the
• 8:23
  MCU
• 8:23
  movies
• 8:24
  together
• 8:25
  and
• 8:25
  then
• 8:25
  dc
• 8:26
  reluctantly
• 8:27
  I
• 8:27
  got
• 8:27
  pulled
• 8:27
  along
• 8:28
  into
• 8:28
  that
• 8:28
  as
• 8:28
  well.
• 8:29
  That's
• 8:30
  Me?
• 8:31
  Yeah,
• 8:31
  yeah,
• 8:31
  yeah.
• 8:32
  I
• 8:33
  still
• 8:33
  have
• 8:33
  a
• 8:33
  harder
• 8:33
  time
• 8:34
  with
• 8:34
  D.C.
• 8:34
  overall,
• 8:35
  but
• 8:35
  I
• 8:36
  do
• 8:36
  love
• 8:36
  Marvel.
• 8:36
  We
• 8:37
  have
• 8:37
  a
• 8:37
  little
• 8:37
  bit
• 8:37
  of
• 8:37
  both
• 8:38
  for
• 8:38
  today's
• 8:39
  collection
• 8:40
  here
• 8:40
  that
• 8:40
  we're
• 8:40
  going
• 8:41
  to
• 8:41
  be
• 8:41
  talking
• 8:41
  about,
• 8:42
  but
• 8:42
  we
• 8:42
  definitely
• 8:43
  are
• 8:43
  prioritizing
• 8:44
  Marvel.
• 8:44
  We
• 8:44
  have
• 8:44
  like
• 8:44
  12
• 8:45
  Marvel
• 8:45
  characters
• 8:45
  pick
• 8:46
  from
• 8:46
  and
• 8:46
  like
• 8:46
  six
• 8:47
  or
• 8:47
  seven
• 8:47
  maybe.
• 8:48
  DC.
• 8:49
  Yeah.
• 8:50
  Personally,
• 8:50
  it's
• 8:50
  really
• 8:51
  like,
• 8:51
  I
• 8:51
  think
• 8:51
  it's
• 8:51
  just
• 8:52
  because
• 8:53
  of
• 8:53
  it
• 8:53
  obviously
• 8:54
  just
• 8:54
  a
• 8:54
  preference
• 8:54
  thing.
• 8:55
  But
• 8:55
  like
• 8:56
  DC
• 8:56
  is
• 8:56
  really
• 8:57
  grand
• 8:57
  in
• 8:58
  like
• 8:58
  vast,
• 8:59
  in
• 8:59
  like
• 8:59
  bigger
• 9:00
  than
• 9:00
  life.
• 9:00
  And
• 9:01
  Marvel,
• 9:01
  if
• 9:01
  you
• 9:01
  like
• 9:02
  is
• 9:02
  always
• 9:02
  like
• 9:02
  ground
• 9:03
  level
• 9:03
  for
• 9:04
  not
• 9:04
  always,
• 9:04
  but,
• 9:04
  you
• 9:05
  know,
• 9:05
  like
• 9:05
  it's
• 9:05
  more
• 9:05
  grounded,
• 9:06
  I
• 9:06
  think.
• 9:06
  So
• 9:07
  I'm
• 9:07
  like,
• 9:07
  hey,
• 9:08
  Spider
• 9:09
  man
• 9:09
  in
• 9:09
  New
• 9:09
  York.
• 9:09
  I
• 9:10
  get
• 9:10
  it.
• 9:10
  Superman
• 9:11
  fighting
• 9:11
  a
• 9:11
  flying
• 9:12
  star
• 9:12
  in
• 9:13
  Metropolis.
• 9:13
  I'm.
• 9:14
  Yeah,
• 9:14
  I'm
• 9:15
  like
• 9:15
  right
• 9:16
  over
• 9:16
  my
• 9:16
  head,
• 9:16
  I
• 9:16
  don't
• 9:16
  know.
• 9:19
  But
• 9:19
  feels
• 9:19
  more
• 9:19
  accessible.
• 9:20
  Yeah.
• 9:21
  So,
• 9:23
  yeah,
• 9:23
  excited
• 9:24
  to
• 9:24
  have
• 9:24
  you
• 9:24
  here,
• 9:25
  Jill.
• 9:26
  Really
• 9:26
  love
• 9:26
  all
• 9:27
  the
• 9:27
  work
• 9:27
  that
• 9:27
  you
• 9:27
  do
• 9:27
  and
• 9:28
  how
• 9:28
  you
• 9:28
  get
• 9:29
  how
• 9:29
  you
• 9:29
  got
• 9:29
  in
• 9:29
  the
• 9:29
  comics
• 9:29
  is
• 9:29
  just
• 9:30
  so
• 9:30
  cool.
• 9:31
  But
• 9:31
  yeah,
• 9:32
  so
• 9:32
  before
• 9:33
  we
• 9:33
  get
• 9:33
  to
• 9:33
  other
• 9:33
  thing
• 9:33
  else,
• 9:34
  this
• 9:34
  is
• 9:34
  gonna
• 9:35
  be
• 9:35
  a
• 9:35
  conversation
• 9:35
  and
• 9:35
  we're
• 9:36
  just
• 9:36
  gonna
• 9:36
  be
• 9:36
  inviting
• 9:36
  made
• 9:37
  up
• 9:37
  characters
• 9:37
  into
• 9:38
  this
• 9:38
  conversation.
• 9:38
  So
• 9:39
  first
• 9:39
  we're
• 9:39
  gonna
• 9:40
  start
• 9:40
  with
• 9:40
  ourselves,
• 9:41
  see
• 9:41
  if
• 9:41
  we
• 9:41
  can
• 9:41
  get
• 9:41
  a
• 9:41
  simple
• 9:42
  definition
• 9:42
  of
• 9:42
  what
• 9:42
  open
• 9:43
  and
• 9:43
  relational
• 9:43
  theology
• 9:43
  is,
• 9:44
  of
• 9:45
  what
• 9:45
  liberation
• 9:46
  theology
• 9:46
  is
• 9:47
  and
• 9:48
  how
• 9:49
  we
• 9:49
  relate
• 9:50
  to
• 9:50
  those
• 9:50
  things
• 9:50
  or
• 9:51
  like
• 9:51
  accept
• 9:51
  them
• 9:52
  or
• 9:52
  did
• 9:52
  I,
• 9:53
  you
• 9:53
  know,
• 9:53
  whatever,
• 9:54
  push
• 9:54
  against
• 9:54
  maybe,
• 9:55
  I
• 9:55
  don't
• 9:55
  know,
• 9:56
  whatever
• 9:56
  our
• 9:57
  thoughts
• 9:57
  are.
• 9:59
  Does
• 9:59
  anybody
• 9:59
  want
• 10:00
  to
• 10:00
  volunteer
• 10:00
  to
• 10:01
  try
• 10:01
  and
• 10:01
  explain
• 10:02
  what
• 10:02
  open
• 10:02
  interrelational
• 10:03
  theology
• 10:03
  is?
• 10:04
  And
• 10:04
  this
• 10:04
  is
• 10:05
  when
• 10:05
  Dr.
• 10:05
  Tom
• 10:06
  Ord
• 10:06
  makes
• 10:06
  a
• 10:06
  surprise
• 10:07
  appearance.
• 10:07
  Yeah,
• 10:08
  I'll
• 10:08
  take
• 10:08
  a
• 10:08
  stab
• 10:08
  at
• 10:09
  it.
• 10:10
  Okay,
• 10:11
  so
• 10:11
  open
• 10:11
  and
• 10:11
  relational
• 10:12
  theology
• 10:12
  is
• 10:13
  a
• 10:13
  way
• 10:13
  of
• 10:13
  viewing
• 10:14
  the
• 10:14
  world
• 10:14
  and
• 10:14
  viewing
• 10:15
  God
• 10:15
  through
• 10:16
  this
• 10:16
  lens.
• 10:17
  That
• 10:17
  God
• 10:18
  is
• 10:18
  both
• 10:19
  open,
• 10:20
  meaning
• 10:20
  able
• 10:21
  to
• 10:21
  be
• 10:21
  influenced
• 10:22
  and
• 10:22
  able
• 10:22
  to
• 10:22
  partner
• 10:23
  and
• 10:23
  collaborate
• 10:23
  with
• 10:24
  creation
• 10:24
  and
• 10:25
  relational.
• 10:25
  Well,
• 10:26
  that's
• 10:26
  the
• 10:27
  collaborate
• 10:27
  with
• 10:28
  creation
• 10:28
  part.
• 10:29
  And
• 10:29
  open
• 10:30
  in
• 10:30
  that
• 10:30
  we're
• 10:31
  not
• 10:31
  serving
• 10:32
  a
• 10:32
  all
• 10:33
  powerful,
• 10:33
  all
• 10:35
  omnipotent,
• 10:37
  controlling
• 10:38
  God
• 10:39
  because
• 10:39
  we
• 10:39
  serve
• 10:39
  a
• 10:40
  God
• 10:40
  of
• 10:41
  love.
• 10:41
  And
• 10:41
  love
• 10:42
  cannot
• 10:42
  be
• 10:42
  controlling.
• 10:44
  Yeah,
• 10:45
  I
• 10:45
  do
• 10:45
  feel
• 10:45
  like
• 10:45
  that
• 10:46
  emphasis
• 10:46
  of
• 10:46
  non
• 10:47
  coercive
• 10:47
  is
• 10:48
  definitely
• 10:48
  a
• 10:48
  huge
• 10:48
  part
• 10:48
  of
• 10:48
  open
• 10:48
  and
• 10:49
  relational
• 10:49
  theology.
• 10:50
  If
• 10:51
  you
• 10:51
  trace
• 10:51
  the
• 10:51
  history
• 10:52
  of
• 10:52
  it,
• 10:52
  you
• 10:53
  have
• 10:53
  this
• 10:53
  open
• 10:54
  theism.
• 10:55
  And
• 10:55
  it
• 10:55
  starts
• 10:56
  as
• 10:56
  almost
• 10:56
  a
• 10:56
  philosophical
• 10:57
  teaching
• 10:58
  of
• 10:58
  like,
• 10:58
  hey,
• 10:59
  it
• 10:59
  does
• 10:59
  not
• 11:00
  make
• 11:00
  sense
• 11:01
  that
• 11:02
  God
• 11:02
  can
• 11:02
  know
• 11:02
  the
• 11:03
  future
• 11:03
  and
• 11:03
  us
• 11:04
  have
• 11:04
  free
• 11:04
  will.
• 11:04
  So
• 11:04
  if
• 11:04
  we're
• 11:05
  going
• 11:05
  to
• 11:05
  say
• 11:05
  that
• 11:05
  we
• 11:05
  have
• 11:05
  free
• 11:06
  will,
• 11:06
  which
• 11:06
  a
• 11:06
  lot
• 11:06
  of
• 11:06
  us
• 11:06
  think
• 11:07
  is
• 11:07
  necessary
• 11:07
  to
• 11:07
  say
• 11:08
  that
• 11:08
  there's
• 11:08
  a
• 11:08
  loving
• 11:08
  God,
• 11:10
  then
• 11:10
  we
• 11:10
  got
• 11:10
  to
• 11:10
  give
• 11:10
  up
• 11:10
  on
• 11:11
  saying
• 11:11
  God
• 11:11
  knows
• 11:11
  the
• 11:11
  future.
• 11:11
  Because
• 11:12
  if
• 11:12
  he
• 11:12
  knows
• 11:12
  the
• 11:12
  future
• 11:12
  and
• 11:12
  he
• 11:13
  created
• 11:13
  everything
• 11:13
  the
• 11:13
  way
• 11:13
  it
• 11:14
  is.
• 11:14
  He's
• 11:15
  causing
• 11:15
  it
• 11:15
  to
• 11:15
  be.
• 11:16
  You
• 11:16
  know,
• 11:16
  if
• 11:16
  you
• 11:17
  know
• 11:17
  what's
• 11:17
  gonna
• 11:17
  happen
• 11:17
  and
• 11:17
  you
• 11:17
  do
• 11:18
  it,
• 11:18
  you
• 11:19
  are
• 11:19
  to
• 11:19
  blame
• 11:19
  for
• 11:20
  what
• 11:20
  happens.
• 11:21
  So
• 11:21
  they
• 11:21
  kind
• 11:21
  of
• 11:21
  like,
• 11:22
  get
• 11:22
  God
• 11:22
  off
• 11:22
  the
• 11:22
  hook
• 11:23
  that
• 11:23
  way
• 11:23
  kind
• 11:23
  of
• 11:23
  deal,
• 11:23
  I
• 11:23
  guess.
• 11:24
  And
• 11:25
  then
• 11:25
  it
• 11:25
  ends
• 11:26
  up
• 11:26
  getting
• 11:26
  built
• 11:26
  on
• 11:27
  by
• 11:27
  these
• 11:28
  ideas,
• 11:28
  kind
• 11:29
  of.
• 11:29
  Tom
• 11:29
  Ord
• 11:29
  being
• 11:29
  one
• 11:30
  of
• 11:30
  the
• 11:30
  forefronters
• 11:30
  of
• 11:30
  this.
• 11:31
  Of
• 11:31
  this,
• 11:31
  like,
• 11:31
  relational
• 11:32
  theology
• 11:32
  of,
• 11:32
  like,
• 11:33
  God.
• 11:34
  We
• 11:34
  understand
• 11:34
  God
• 11:34
  better
• 11:35
  by
• 11:35
  how
• 11:35
  he
• 11:35
  relates
• 11:36
  to
• 11:36
  us
• 11:36
  and
• 11:36
  his
• 11:36
  loving
• 11:37
  of
• 11:37
  his
• 11:38
  creation,
• 11:38
  that
• 11:38
  kind
• 11:38
  of
• 11:38
  thing.
• 11:39
  So,
• 11:41
  sorry.
• 11:41
  Anyway,
• 11:42
  so
• 11:42
  that's
• 11:43
  kind
• 11:43
  of
• 11:43
  like
• 11:43
  the
• 11:43
  relational
• 11:43
  part
• 11:44
  of
• 11:44
  it
• 11:44
  and
• 11:44
  how
• 11:45
  it
• 11:45
  comes
• 11:45
  to
• 11:45
  be.
• 11:46
  Will,
• 11:46
  do
• 11:46
  you
• 11:47
  think
• 11:47
  there's
• 11:47
  anything
• 11:47
  that
• 11:48
  you
• 11:48
  would
• 11:48
  like
• 11:48
  to
• 11:48
  add
• 11:48
  to
• 11:48
  that
• 11:49
  kind
• 11:49
  of
• 11:49
  part
• 11:49
  of
• 11:49
  the
• 11:49
  open
• 11:49
  relational
• 11:50
  theology
• 11:51
  and,
• 11:51
  like,
• 11:51
  what
• 11:51
  it
• 11:51
  is?
• 11:52
  Yeah,
• 11:54
  I'll
• 11:54
  share
• 11:54
  that.
• 11:55
  I
• 11:55
  think
• 11:55
  in
• 11:55
  terms
• 11:55
  of
• 11:56
  the
• 11:56
  way
• 11:56
  we
• 11:56
  understand
• 11:57
  God,
• 11:57
  if
• 11:57
  we
• 11:57
  live
• 11:58
  in
• 11:58
  a
• 11:58
  relational
• 11:59
  universe
• 12:00
  where
• 12:00
  creatures
• 12:01
  and
• 12:01
  beings
• 12:02
  evolve
• 12:02
  and
• 12:02
  relate
• 12:03
  and
• 12:03
  grow
• 12:04
  and
• 12:04
  have
• 12:05
  an
• 12:05
  effect
• 12:05
  on
• 12:06
  one
• 12:06
  another,
• 12:06
  and
• 12:07
  then
• 12:07
  why
• 12:07
  wouldn't
• 12:08
  God
• 12:08
  be
• 12:08
  that
• 12:08
  way,
• 12:09
  too?
• 12:09
  So
• 12:09
  within
• 12:10
  open
• 12:10
  and
• 12:10
  racial
• 12:11
  theology,
• 12:11
  you
• 12:11
  have
• 12:12
  this
• 12:12
  understanding
• 12:13
  of
• 12:13
  God
• 12:13
  as
• 12:13
  giving
• 12:14
  and
• 12:14
  receiving
• 12:15
  in
• 12:15
  relation
• 12:16
  to
• 12:17
  creation
• 12:17
  and
• 12:18
  God's
• 12:18
  creatures.
• 12:19
  So
• 12:20
  we
• 12:20
  were
• 12:20
  created
• 12:21
  to
• 12:21
  be
• 12:22
  in
• 12:22
  relationship
• 12:22
  and
• 12:23
  affected
• 12:23
  by
• 12:23
  others.
• 12:23
  Of
• 12:23
  course,
• 12:24
  Joshua
• 12:24
  and
• 12:25
  Jill
• 12:25
  are
• 12:25
  going
• 12:25
  to
• 12:26
  affect
• 12:26
  me
• 12:27
  with
• 12:27
  their
• 12:27
  response
• 12:28
  and
• 12:28
  relationship
• 12:29
  that
• 12:29
  I
• 12:29
  have
• 12:29
  with
• 12:30
  them.
• 12:30
  And
• 12:30
  then
• 12:31
  if
• 12:31
  we're
• 12:32
  creating
• 12:32
  God's
• 12:32
  image,
• 12:33
  then
• 12:33
  God
• 12:34
  is
• 12:34
  like
• 12:34
  that
• 12:34
  too,
• 12:34
  that
• 12:34
  I
• 12:35
  have
• 12:35
  an
• 12:35
  effect
• 12:35
  on
• 12:36
  God
• 12:36
  and
• 12:36
  God
• 12:36
  has
• 12:36
  an
• 12:36
  effect
• 12:37
  on
• 12:37
  me.
• 12:37
  God
• 12:37
  is
• 12:38
  moved
• 12:39
  by
• 12:40
  me
• 12:40
  as
• 12:40
  I
• 12:41
  am
• 12:41
  moved
• 12:41
  by
• 12:41
  God.
• 12:42
  And
• 12:42
  the
• 12:43
  open
• 12:43
  part
• 12:43
  is
• 12:43
  that
• 12:44
  relationships
• 12:45
  have
• 12:45
  possibility
• 12:46
  and
• 12:46
  the
• 12:46
  future
• 12:47
  is
• 12:47
  open
• 12:48
  to
• 12:48
  what
• 12:48
  that
• 12:48
  will
• 12:49
  look
• 12:49
  like.
• 12:49
  And
• 12:49
  so
• 12:50
  that
• 12:50
  can
• 12:50
  be
• 12:51
  our
• 12:51
  relationship
• 12:51
  with
• 12:51
  God
• 12:52
  as
• 12:52
  well.
• 12:52
  So,
• 12:52
  you
• 12:53
  know,
• 12:53
  I'm
• 12:53
  a
• 12:53
  member
• 12:54
  of
• 12:54
  a
• 12:54
  church
• 12:54
  named
• 12:55
  Holy
• 12:55
  Trinity
• 12:56
  Lutheran
• 12:56
  Church.
• 12:57
  And
• 12:57
  so
• 12:57
  the
• 12:57
  understanding
• 12:58
  of
• 12:58
  trinitarian
• 12:59
  theology
• 12:59
  is
• 12:59
  that
• 13:00
  God
• 13:00
  within
• 13:00
  God's
• 13:01
  self
• 13:02
  is
• 13:02
  a
• 13:03
  relationship.
• 13:04
  And
• 13:04
  so
• 13:05
  that
• 13:05
  translates
• 13:06
  also
• 13:06
  into.
• 13:07
  In
• 13:07
  science,
• 13:07
  we
• 13:07
  even
• 13:08
  say
• 13:08
  that
• 13:08
  we
• 13:08
  are.
• 13:09
  We
• 13:09
  are
• 13:09
  in
• 13:10
  entangled.
• 13:11
  There's
• 13:11
  your
• 13:11
  drinking
• 13:11
  job.
• 13:12
  Drinking
• 13:13
  game,
• 13:13
  Joshua,
• 13:14
  that.
• 13:14
  I
• 13:14
  say
• 13:14
  that
• 13:14
  word
• 13:14
  a
• 13:15
  lot.
• 13:15
  We
• 13:15
  are
• 13:15
  entangled
• 13:16
  with
• 13:16
  one
• 13:16
  another.
• 13:16
  So
• 13:17
  if
• 13:17
  we're
• 13:17
  entangled
• 13:17
  with
• 13:17
  creation
• 13:18
  and
• 13:18
  with
• 13:19
  one
• 13:19
  another,
• 13:19
  then
• 13:19
  we're
• 13:19
  also
• 13:20
  entangled
• 13:20
  with
• 13:20
  God
• 13:20
  and
• 13:21
  God
• 13:21
  with
• 13:21
  us.
• 13:21
  Yeah,
• 13:22
  yeah,
• 13:22
  yeah,
• 13:22
  yeah,
• 13:23
  yeah.
• 13:25
  And
• 13:25
  of
• 13:25
  course,
• 13:26
  as
• 13:26
  far
• 13:26
  as
• 13:26
  the
• 13:26
  Bible
• 13:26
  stuff
• 13:27
  goes,
• 13:27
  Tom
• 13:27
  Ord
• 13:27
  actually
• 13:28
  does
• 13:28
  a
• 13:28
  really
• 13:28
  good
• 13:28
  job
• 13:28
  at
• 13:28
  kind
• 13:29
  of
• 13:29
  showing
• 13:29
  he
• 13:29
  doesn't
• 13:29
  believe
• 13:29
  in
• 13:29
  inerrancy,
• 13:30
  but
• 13:30
  you
• 13:30
  can
• 13:30
  believe
• 13:31
  inerrancy
• 13:31
  and
• 13:31
  still
• 13:32
  kind
• 13:32
  of
• 13:32
  be
• 13:32
  open
• 13:32
  and
• 13:32
  relational.
• 13:33
  There
• 13:33
  are
• 13:33
  those
• 13:33
  parts
• 13:33
  of
• 13:33
  the
• 13:33
  Bible
• 13:34
  that
• 13:34
  talks
• 13:34
  about,
• 13:34
  like,
• 13:34
  how
• 13:35
  God
• 13:35
  changed
• 13:35
  his
• 13:35
  mind
• 13:36
  and
• 13:36
  how
• 13:36
  this
• 13:36
  happened
• 13:37
  and
• 13:37
  God
• 13:38
  had
• 13:38
  to
• 13:38
  change
• 13:38
  a
• 13:38
  heart
• 13:38
  kind
• 13:39
  of
• 13:39
  deal.
• 13:39
  Like,
• 13:39
  so
• 13:40
  there
• 13:40
  are
• 13:40
  verses
• 13:40
  that
• 13:40
  kind
• 13:41
  of
• 13:41
  back
• 13:41
  this
• 13:41
  up.
• 13:41
  Like,
• 13:41
  this
• 13:42
  isn't.
• 13:42
  Like
• 13:42
  one
• 13:42
  day
• 13:43
  someone
• 13:43
  pulled
• 13:43
  this
• 13:43
  out
• 13:43
  of
• 13:44
  nowhere.
• 13:45
  It
• 13:46
  just.
• 13:46
  Typically
• 13:47
  in
• 13:47
  Western
• 13:48
  theology,
• 13:48
  we've
• 13:49
  done
• 13:49
  this
• 13:49
  thing
• 13:49
  of
• 13:50
  like,
• 13:50
  okay,
• 13:50
  well,
• 13:50
  that
• 13:50
  stuff
• 13:51
  is
• 13:51
  not
• 13:51
  literal,
• 13:51
  and
• 13:51
  this
• 13:52
  stuff
• 13:52
  is
• 13:52
  literal.
• 13:53
  And
• 13:53
  then
• 13:53
  when
• 13:53
  all
• 13:53
  of
• 13:53
  a
• 13:53
  sudden
• 13:54
  someone
• 13:54
  challenges
• 13:54
  the
• 13:55
  stuff
• 13:55
  that
• 13:55
  we
• 13:55
  think
• 13:55
  is
• 13:56
  literal,
• 13:56
  we're
• 13:56
  like,
• 13:56
  wait
• 13:56
  a
• 13:56
  minute,
• 13:57
  you're
• 13:57
  breaking
• 13:57
  the
• 13:57
  Bible.
• 13:58
  And
• 13:58
  they
• 13:58
  sound
• 13:58
  stuff
• 13:58
  that
• 13:58
  we
• 13:58
  think
• 13:59
  is
• 13:59
  not
• 13:59
  literal,
• 13:59
  as
• 14:00
  maybe
• 14:00
  God
• 14:00
  actually
• 14:01
  did
• 14:01
  change
• 14:01
  his
• 14:01
  mind.
• 14:02
  You
• 14:02
  know,
• 14:03
  everybody's
• 14:03
  always
• 14:03
  defensive
• 14:04
  and
• 14:04
  has
• 14:04
  a
• 14:04
  hard
• 14:05
  time
• 14:05
  accepting
• 14:05
  maybe
• 14:05
  we
• 14:06
  could
• 14:06
  be
• 14:06
  wrong
• 14:07
  about
• 14:07
  things.
• 14:08
  Maybe.
• 14:09
  I
• 14:09
  will
• 14:10
  say,
• 14:10
  though,
• 14:10
  I
• 14:11
  prefer
• 14:11
  liberation
• 14:12
  theology.
• 14:12
  It's
• 14:13
  a
• 14:13
  little
• 14:13
  bit
• 14:13
  different.
• 14:15
  So
• 14:16
  go
• 14:16
  ahead
• 14:16
  and
• 14:16
  get
• 14:16
  into
• 14:16
  that
• 14:17
  first.
• 14:17
  I'll
• 14:17
  kind
• 14:17
  of
• 14:17
  throw
• 14:17
  my
• 14:18
  elevator
• 14:18
  pigeons
• 14:18
  if
• 14:19
  you
• 14:19
  guys
• 14:19
  want
• 14:19
  to
• 14:19
  build
• 14:19
  off
• 14:19
  of
• 14:19
  it.
• 14:21
  So
• 14:21
  open
• 14:21
  and
• 14:21
  relational
• 14:22
  theology,
• 14:23
  late
• 14:23
  20th
• 14:24
  century,
• 14:24
  mostly
• 14:25
  gets
• 14:25
  developed
• 14:25
  in
• 14:26
  like,
• 14:26
  American
• 14:26
  and
• 14:26
  European
• 14:27
  kind
• 14:27
  of
• 14:28
  areas.
• 14:28
  Liberation
• 14:29
  theology
• 14:30
  starts
• 14:30
  more
• 14:30
  in
• 14:30
  Latin
• 14:31
  America,
• 14:31
  South
• 14:31
  America,
• 14:33
  and
• 14:33
  it
• 14:33
  happens
• 14:33
  within
• 14:34
  the
• 14:34
  Catholic
• 14:34
  Church
• 14:34
  as
• 14:35
  opposed
• 14:35
  to
• 14:35
  the
• 14:35
  Protestant
• 14:35
  church.
• 14:36
  And
• 14:36
  it's
• 14:36
  a
• 14:36
  lot
• 14:36
  more
• 14:37
  focused
• 14:37
  on
• 14:37
  theopraxy
• 14:38
  than
• 14:38
  theology.
• 14:39
  So
• 14:40
  whereas
• 14:40
  open
• 14:40
  end
• 14:40
  relational
• 14:40
  theology
• 14:41
  really
• 14:41
  focuses
• 14:42
  on
• 14:42
  the
• 14:42
  ontology
• 14:42
  of
• 14:42
  God
• 14:43
  and
• 14:43
  could
• 14:43
  he
• 14:43
  know
• 14:44
  and
• 14:44
  what
• 14:44
  happens?
• 14:44
  And
• 14:44
  a
• 14:44
  lot
• 14:45
  of
• 14:45
  the
• 14:45
  philosophical
• 14:45
  stuff,
• 14:46
  liberation
• 14:46
  theology
• 14:46
  focuses
• 14:47
  on
• 14:48
  this
• 14:48
  story
• 14:48
  of
• 14:48
  the
• 14:49
  Bible
• 14:49
  and
• 14:49
  like,
• 14:49
  who
• 14:49
  God
• 14:49
  is
• 14:50
  and
• 14:50
  Jesus
• 14:50
  is
• 14:50
  always
• 14:50
  reads
• 14:51
  from
• 14:51
  the
• 14:51
  bottom
• 14:51
  up.
• 14:52
  It
• 14:52
  always
• 14:52
  is.
• 14:53
  God
• 14:53
  is
• 14:53
  with
• 14:54
  those
• 14:54
  who
• 14:54
  are
• 14:54
  enslaved,
• 14:55
  with
• 14:55
  those
• 14:55
  who
• 14:56
  are
• 14:56
  the
• 14:56
  minority,
• 14:56
  with
• 14:57
  those
• 14:57
  who
• 14:57
  are
• 14:58
  belittled
• 14:58
  or
• 14:58
  made
• 14:59
  less
• 14:59
  than,
• 15:00
  and
• 15:00
  works
• 15:00
  to
• 15:00
  lift
• 15:01
  them
• 15:01
  up
• 15:02
  so
• 15:02
  the
• 15:03
  two
• 15:03
  can
• 15:03
  work
• 15:04
  together
• 15:04
  really,
• 15:04
  really
• 15:05
  well.
• 15:05
  I
• 15:05
  think
• 15:06
  because
• 15:06
  you
• 15:06
  have
• 15:06
  this,
• 15:07
  like,
• 15:07
  open
• 15:08
  and
• 15:08
  relational.
• 15:09
  God
• 15:09
  didn't
• 15:09
  predetermine
• 15:10
  the
• 15:10
  future.
• 15:10
  He
• 15:10
  didn't
• 15:11
  predetermine,
• 15:11
  you
• 15:11
  know,
• 15:12
  anyone
• 15:12
  to
• 15:13
  be
• 15:13
  made
• 15:13
  less
• 15:13
  than
• 15:13
  or
• 15:14
  anyone
• 15:14
  to
• 15:14
  be
• 15:14
  treated
• 15:14
  poorly
• 15:15
  or
• 15:15
  any
• 15:15
  of
• 15:15
  that.
• 15:16
  And
• 15:16
  you
• 15:16
  still
• 15:17
  have
• 15:17
  this,
• 15:17
  like,
• 15:17
  God
• 15:17
  is
• 15:17
  moved
• 15:18
  by
• 15:18
  people,
• 15:18
  he
• 15:18
  is
• 15:19
  moved
• 15:19
  by
• 15:19
  our
• 15:19
  work
• 15:20
  with
• 15:20
  God
• 15:20
  to
• 15:21
  help
• 15:21
  liberate
• 15:22
  others,
• 15:22
  all
• 15:22
  that
• 15:22
  kind
• 15:23
  of
• 15:23
  stuff.
• 15:23
  So
• 15:23
  they
• 15:23
  work
• 15:23
  together
• 15:23
  really
• 15:24
  nice.
• 15:25
  Most
• 15:26
  of
• 15:26
  the
• 15:26
  time.
• 15:26
  If
• 15:26
  you
• 15:26
  do
• 15:26
  see
• 15:27
  pushback
• 15:27
  from
• 15:28
  one
• 15:28
  to
• 15:28
  the
• 15:28
  other,
• 15:28
  open
• 15:29
  relational
• 15:29
  theologies,
• 15:30
  like,
• 15:30
  liberation
• 15:30
  theology
• 15:31
  is
• 15:31
  great.
• 15:31
  Occasionally
• 15:32
  you
• 15:32
  might
• 15:32
  see
• 15:32
  someone
• 15:33
  who's
• 15:33
  in
• 15:33
  liberation
• 15:33
  theology
• 15:34
  who's
• 15:35
  like,
• 15:35
  yeah,
• 15:35
  a
• 15:35
  lot
• 15:35
  of
• 15:35
  this
• 15:36
  open
• 15:36
  relational
• 15:36
  stuff
• 15:36
  actually
• 15:37
  focuses
• 15:37
  way
• 15:37
  too
• 15:38
  much
• 15:38
  on
• 15:38
  the
• 15:38
  philosophical
• 15:39
  and
• 15:39
  the
• 15:39
  what
• 15:39
  if
• 15:40
  isms
• 15:40
  and
• 15:40
  the
• 15:41
  like,
• 15:41
  who
• 15:41
  is
• 15:41
  God
• 15:42
  and
• 15:42
  isn't
• 15:43
  practical
• 15:44
  enough?
• 15:44
  And
• 15:45
  that's
• 15:45
  where
• 15:45
  I'm
• 15:45
  like,
• 15:45
  I
• 15:46
  think
• 15:46
  I
• 15:46
  like
• 15:46
  liberation
• 15:46
  theology
• 15:47
  a
• 15:47
  little
• 15:47
  bit
• 15:47
  better
• 15:48
  because
• 15:48
  it
• 15:48
  tends
• 15:48
  to
• 15:48
  be
• 15:48
  more
• 15:49
  of
• 15:49
  this,
• 15:49
  like,
• 15:49
  what
• 15:50
  are
• 15:50
  we
• 15:50
  doing
• 15:51
  here?
• 15:51
  And
• 15:52
  yeah,
• 15:52
  when
• 15:52
  it
• 15:53
  comes
• 15:53
  down
• 15:53
  to
• 15:53
  it,
• 15:53
  if
• 15:53
  your
• 15:53
  theology
• 15:54
  isn't
• 15:54
  causing
• 15:55
  you
• 15:55
  to
• 15:55
  do
• 15:55
  something,
• 15:55
  I
• 15:56
  really
• 15:56
  don't
• 15:56
  care
• 15:56
  that
• 15:57
  much
• 15:57
  about
• 15:58
  it.
• 15:58
  So
• 15:58
  that's
• 15:58
  why
• 15:59
  I'm
• 15:59
  like,
• 15:59
  they're
• 16:00
  both
• 16:00
  cool.
• 16:00
  But
• 16:01
  I
• 16:01
  definitely
• 16:01
  like
• 16:01
  liberation
• 16:02
  theology
• 16:02
  more
• 16:02
  personally.
• 16:04
  Jill,
• 16:05
  did
• 16:05
  you
• 16:05
  want
• 16:05
  to
• 16:05
  add
• 16:06
  anything
• 16:06
  to
• 16:06
  liberation
• 16:07
  theology
• 16:07
  or
• 16:07
  anything
• 16:07
  like
• 16:07
  that?
• 16:08
  You
• 16:08
  did
• 16:09
  such
• 16:09
  a
• 16:09
  great
• 16:09
  job
• 16:10
  of
• 16:10
  describing
• 16:10
  the
• 16:11
  two.
• 16:11
  And
• 16:11
  I'm
• 16:12
  in
• 16:12
  that
• 16:12
  camp
• 16:12
  of
• 16:13
  people
• 16:13
  of
• 16:13
  liberation
• 16:14
  theologists
• 16:14
  that
• 16:15
  are
• 16:15
  like,
• 16:15
  come
• 16:16
  on,
• 16:16
  open
• 16:16
  and
• 16:16
  relational
• 16:17
  folks.
• 16:18
  Put
• 16:18
  your
• 16:18
  feet
• 16:19
  where
• 16:19
  your
• 16:19
  head
• 16:19
  is,
• 16:19
  and
• 16:20
  let's
• 16:20
  move.
• 16:21
  I
• 16:21
  am
• 16:21
  also
• 16:21
  in
• 16:22
  the
• 16:22
  camp
• 16:22
  of
• 16:22
  trying
• 16:22
  to
• 16:23
  convince
• 16:23
  all
• 16:23
  the
• 16:23
  open
• 16:24
  and
• 16:24
  relational
• 16:24
  theologists
• 16:25
  you
• 16:25
  are
• 16:26
  liberation
• 16:27
  theology.
• 16:28
  Yeah.
• 16:29
  So
• 16:29
  let's
• 16:29
  get
• 16:30
  to
• 16:30
  it.
• 16:30
  Yeah.
• 16:31
  That's
• 16:31
  all
• 16:31
  I
• 16:31
  had
• 16:32
  to
• 16:32
  add.
• 16:32
  Yeah.
• 16:33
  And
• 16:33
  I
• 16:33
  do
• 16:33
  love
• 16:34
  Howard
• 16:34
  Thurman.
• 16:35
  He's
• 16:35
  my
• 16:35
  favorite
• 16:36
  liberational
• 16:36
  liberation
• 16:37
  theologist
• 16:38
  who
• 16:38
  says
• 16:39
  that
• 16:40
  Christianity
• 16:40
  is
• 16:41
  a
• 16:41
  religion
• 16:42
  for
• 16:43
  people
• 16:43
  with
• 16:43
  their
• 16:43
  backs
• 16:44
  up
• 16:44
  against
• 16:44
  the
• 16:44
  wall.
• 16:44
  Yeah,
• 16:45
  yeah,
• 16:45
  yeah,
• 16:45
  yeah,
• 16:46
  yeah.
• 16:47
  And
• 16:47
  that's
• 16:47
  where,
• 16:47
  like,
• 16:48
  part
• 16:48
  of
• 16:48
  what's
• 16:48
  cool
• 16:49
  about
• 16:49
  this
• 16:49
  stuff
• 16:49
  is,
• 16:50
  like,
• 16:50
  so
• 16:50
  you
• 16:50
  bring
• 16:50
  in
• 16:50
  that.
• 16:51
  And
• 16:52
  we
• 16:52
  have
• 16:53
  a
• 16:53
  tendency
• 16:53
  to,
• 16:54
  like,
• 16:54
  people
• 16:54
  like
• 16:54
  Trip
• 16:55
  Fuller
• 16:55
  and,
• 16:56
  you
• 16:57
  know,
• 16:57
  Tom
• 16:58
  Ord,
• 16:58
  a
• 16:58
  lot
• 16:58
  of
• 16:58
  these
• 16:58
  people,
• 16:59
  and
• 16:59
  what
• 16:59
  they
• 17:00
  like
• 17:00
  to
• 17:00
  do
• 17:01
  a
• 17:01
  lot
• 17:01
  during
• 17:01
  podcasts
• 17:02
  and
• 17:02
  stuff
• 17:02
  is
• 17:03
  to
• 17:03
  bring
• 17:03
  in
• 17:04
  one
• 17:04
  theologian
• 17:04
  in
• 17:04
  a
• 17:05
  conversation
• 17:05
  with
• 17:05
  another
• 17:06
  is
• 17:06
  how
• 17:06
  they'll
• 17:06
  talk
• 17:06
  about
• 17:06
  it,
• 17:07
  Right.
• 17:07
  They'll
• 17:07
  be
• 17:07
  like,
• 17:07
  okay,
• 17:07
  so
• 17:07
  we're
• 17:08
  going
• 17:08
  to
• 17:08
  talk
• 17:08
  liberation
• 17:09
  theology
• 17:09
  now
• 17:09
  and
• 17:10
  what
• 17:10
  Alfred
• 17:10
  Whitehead
• 17:11
  did,
• 17:11
  and
• 17:11
  then
• 17:11
  we're
• 17:12
  going
• 17:12
  to
• 17:12
  bring
• 17:12
  in
• 17:12
  Paul
• 17:12
  Tillich
• 17:13
  into
• 17:13
  the
• 17:13
  conversation.
• 17:14
  And
• 17:14
  of
• 17:14
  course,
• 17:14
  they
• 17:14
  don't
• 17:14
  literally
• 17:15
  mean
• 17:15
  they're
• 17:15
  going
• 17:15
  back
• 17:15
  into
• 17:15
  history
• 17:16
  and
• 17:16
  asking
• 17:16
  him
• 17:16
  about
• 17:16
  it.
• 17:17
  They're,
• 17:17
  like,
• 17:17
  taking
• 17:17
  his
• 17:18
  thoughts,
• 17:18
  his
• 17:19
  writings,
• 17:20
  and
• 17:20
  saying,
• 17:20
  here's
• 17:20
  what
• 17:20
  Paul
• 17:21
  Tillich
• 17:21
  said.
• 17:21
  Here's
• 17:21
  how
• 17:22
  it
• 17:22
  might
• 17:22
  relate
• 17:22
  to
• 17:22
  these
• 17:23
  things
• 17:23
  that
• 17:23
  Alfred
• 17:23
  Whitehead
• 17:24
  said.
• 17:25
  And,
• 17:25
  you
• 17:25
  know,
• 17:25
  they
• 17:26
  do
• 17:26
  a
• 17:26
  lot
• 17:26
  of
• 17:26
  stuff
• 17:26
  like
• 17:27
  that,
• 17:27
  and
• 17:27
  I
• 17:27
  love
• 17:27
  it.
• 17:27
  It's
• 17:28
  really
• 17:28
  cool.
• 17:28
  We
• 17:29
  can
• 17:29
  do
• 17:29
  that
• 17:30
  on
• 17:30
  a
• 17:30
  different
• 17:30
  podcast.
• 17:31
  But
• 17:32
  here
• 17:33
  we're
• 17:33
  going
• 17:33
  to
• 17:33
  bring
• 17:33
  in
• 17:34
  our
• 17:34
  favorite
• 17:34
  comic
• 17:35
  book
• 17:35
  characters
• 17:35
  to
• 17:36
  our
• 17:36
  conversation.
• 17:37
  Here
• 17:38
  we're
• 17:38
  going
• 17:38
  to
• 17:38
  see,
• 17:39
  like,
• 17:39
  what
• 17:39
  would
• 17:39
  Batman
• 17:40
  have
• 17:40
  to
• 17:40
  say
• 17:41
  about
• 17:41
  this
• 17:41
  thing?
• 17:42
  But
• 17:42
  before
• 17:43
  we
• 17:43
  do,
• 17:43
  Will,
• 17:44
  I
• 17:44
  forgot,
• 17:44
  did
• 17:45
  you
• 17:45
  want
• 17:45
  to
• 17:45
  add
• 17:45
  anything
• 17:46
  as
• 17:46
  far
• 17:46
  as,
• 17:46
  like,
• 17:46
  the
• 17:46
  liberation
• 17:47
  theology
• 17:47
  side,
• 17:48
  or
• 17:48
  do
• 17:49
  you
• 17:49
  have
• 17:49
  a
• 17:49
  preference,
• 17:49
  one
• 17:50
  or
• 17:50
  the
• 17:50
  other,
• 17:50
  or
• 17:50
  do
• 17:50
  you
• 17:50
  just,
• 17:51
  like,
• 17:51
  hold
• 17:52
  hands
• 17:52
  with
• 17:52
  one
• 17:52
  on
• 17:53
  each
• 17:53
  side
• 17:53
  and
• 17:53
  script
• 17:54
  into
• 17:54
  the
• 17:54
  flowers
• 17:54
  and
• 17:55
  make
• 17:55
  a
• 17:55
  video?
• 17:58
  Only
• 17:58
  if
• 17:58
  you
• 17:59
  have
• 17:59
  50
• 17:59
  likes
• 17:59
  on
• 17:59
  this
• 18:00
  video.
• 18:00
  Will
• 18:00
  I
• 18:00
  skip
• 18:01
  with
• 18:01
  flowers
• 18:01
  holding
• 18:01
  hands
• 18:02
  with
• 18:02
  people?
• 18:02
  No,
• 18:04
  I'm
• 18:04
  relatively
• 18:05
  new
• 18:05
  to
• 18:05
  open
• 18:05
  and
• 18:06
  relational
• 18:07
  theology
• 18:08
  and
• 18:08
  process
• 18:08
  theology,
• 18:10
  and
• 18:10
  so
• 18:10
  I'm
• 18:11
  still
• 18:11
  learning
• 18:11
  with
• 18:12
  that.
• 18:12
  And
• 18:12
  Not
• 18:12
  a
• 18:13
  lot
• 18:13
  of
• 18:13
  that.
• 18:13
  I
• 18:13
  mean,
• 18:13
  I'm
• 18:14
  not
• 18:14
  a
• 18:14
  Calvinist.
• 18:15
  I
• 18:15
  am
• 18:15
  a
• 18:15
  reformer
• 18:16
  from
• 18:16
  a
• 18:16
  Lutheran
• 18:16
  theology
• 18:17
  background,
• 18:18
  Martin
• 18:18
  Luther.
• 18:18
  And
• 18:19
  so
• 18:19
  open
• 18:19
  a
• 18:19
  relational
• 18:20
  sometimes
• 18:20
  bump
• 18:21
  up
• 18:21
  against
• 18:21
  that
• 18:21
  as
• 18:22
  well.
• 18:22
  And
• 18:22
  maybe
• 18:22
  they're
• 18:23
  at
• 18:23
  odds
• 18:23
  in
• 18:23
  some
• 18:24
  areas.
• 18:24
  But
• 18:24
  in
• 18:25
  terms
• 18:25
  of
• 18:25
  the
• 18:25
  liberation
• 18:25
  theology,
• 18:26
  what
• 18:26
  I
• 18:26
  think
• 18:26
  about
• 18:26
  is
• 18:27
  it's
• 18:27
  not
• 18:27
  necessarily
• 18:28
  heaven,
• 18:29
  just
• 18:30
  somewhere
• 18:30
  up
• 18:30
  there,
• 18:31
  somewhere
• 18:31
  way
• 18:31
  off
• 18:32
  in
• 18:32
  the
• 18:32
  future.
• 18:32
  But
• 18:33
  salvation
• 18:34
  and
• 18:34
  liberation
• 18:35
  can
• 18:36
  happen
• 18:36
  now.
• 18:37
  And
• 18:37
  we're
• 18:37
  all
• 18:37
  set
• 18:37
  in
• 18:38
  a
• 18:38
  present
• 18:38
  context
• 18:39
  of
• 18:39
  social,
• 18:40
  economic,
• 18:40
  political
• 18:41
  context.
• 18:41
  And
• 18:42
  sometimes
• 18:42
  when
• 18:42
  the
• 18:42
  systems
• 18:44
  oppress
• 18:45
  or
• 18:46
  don't
• 18:47
  lead
• 18:48
  to
• 18:48
  human
• 18:48
  flourishing,
• 18:49
  but
• 18:49
  lead
• 18:49
  to
• 18:49
  human
• 18:50
  oppression,
• 18:51
  then
• 18:51
  our
• 18:52
  faith
• 18:52
  speaks
• 18:53
  to
• 18:53
  that
• 18:53
  and
• 18:53
  the
• 18:53
  gospel
• 18:55
  is
• 18:55
  a
• 18:56
  liberating
• 18:56
  experience
• 18:57
  that
• 18:57
  speaks
• 18:57
  to
• 18:57
  our
• 18:57
  present
• 18:58
  context
• 18:58
  here
• 18:58
  now.
• 18:59
  And
• 18:59
  so
• 19:00
  how
• 19:00
  does
• 19:00
  that
• 19:01
  theology,
• 19:02
  philosophy
• 19:03
  speak
• 19:03
  to
• 19:04
  our
• 19:05
  present
• 19:05
  day
• 19:05
  context
• 19:06
  and
• 19:06
  our
• 19:06
  neighbors
• 19:06
  who
• 19:06
  are
• 19:07
  on
• 19:07
  the
• 19:07
  margins?
• 19:08
  And
• 19:09
  so
• 19:09
  that's
• 19:10
  this
• 19:10
  way
• 19:10
  I
• 19:10
  think
• 19:10
  about
• 19:10
  it.
• 19:10
  And
• 19:11
  so
• 19:11
  yeah,
• 19:11
  I
• 19:11
  resonate
• 19:11
  with
• 19:12
  liberation
• 19:12
  even
• 19:12
  though
• 19:13
  I
• 19:13
  acknowledge
• 19:15
  my
• 19:15
  upper
• 19:16
  class
• 19:16
  male
• 19:17
  white
• 19:17
  privilege.
• 19:18
  There
• 19:18
  are,
• 19:18
  there
• 19:19
  are,
• 19:19
  there
• 19:19
  are
• 19:20
  systems
• 19:20
  out
• 19:20
  there
• 19:21
  where
• 19:21
  people
• 19:21
  are
• 19:21
  not
• 19:22
  as,
• 19:22
  as
• 19:22
  fortunate
• 19:23
  who
• 19:23
  are
• 19:23
  on
• 19:23
  the
• 19:23
  underside
• 19:24
  of
• 19:25
  economic
• 19:25
  or
• 19:26
  social
• 19:26
  or
• 19:26
  political
• 19:26
  oppression.
• 19:27
  And
• 19:27
  so
• 19:28
  how
• 19:28
  does
• 19:28
  Jesus's,
• 19:29
  how
• 19:30
  does
• 19:30
  Jesus,
• 19:31
  his
• 19:32
  open
• 19:32
  and
• 19:32
  relational
• 19:34
  theology
• 19:34
  with
• 19:34
  the
• 19:35
  other
• 19:35
  affect
• 19:36
  how
• 19:36
  my
• 19:37
  theology
• 19:38
  relates
• 19:38
  with
• 19:38
  the
• 19:38
  other?
• 19:39
  And
• 19:39
  often
• 19:39
  that,
• 19:40
  that
• 19:40
  carries
• 19:41
  its
• 19:41
  way
• 19:41
  into
• 19:42
  a
• 19:42
  way
• 19:42
  of
• 19:42
  understanding
• 19:43
  what
• 19:43
  liberation
• 19:44
  means
• 19:44
  for
• 19:44
  the
• 19:44
  other.
• 21:26
  Probably
• 21:27
  an
• 21:27
  important
• 21:27
  time
• 21:27
  to
• 21:27
  also
• 21:28
  mention.
• 21:28
  Will
• 21:29
  and
• 21:29
  I
• 21:29
  are
• 21:29
  two
• 21:29
  of
• 21:29
  like
• 21:30
  14
• 21:30
  hosts
• 21:31
  on
• 21:31
  systematic
• 21:31
  ecology.
• 21:32
  We
• 21:32
  have
• 21:32
  a
• 21:32
  broad
• 21:33
  range
• 21:33
  of
• 21:33
  interest
• 21:34
  in
• 21:35
  theology
• 21:36
  and
• 21:36
  backgrounds
• 21:37
  and
• 21:38
  I
• 21:38
  think
• 21:38
  we're
• 21:38
  a
• 21:38
  pretty
• 21:39
  diverse
• 21:39
  show
• 21:39
  for
• 21:39
  the
• 21:39
  most
• 21:39
  part.
• 21:40
  I
• 21:41
  bring
• 21:41
  it
• 21:41
  up
• 21:41
  because
• 21:42
  not
• 21:42
  all
• 21:42
  of
• 21:42
  our
• 21:42
  hosts
• 21:43
  are
• 21:43
  going
• 21:43
  to
• 21:43
  be
• 21:44
  as
• 21:44
  cool
• 21:44
  with
• 21:44
  open
• 21:44
  and
• 21:45
  relational
• 21:45
  theology
• 21:45
  as
• 21:46
  we
• 21:46
  are.
• 21:46
  Or
• 21:47
  some
• 21:47
  of
• 21:47
  them
• 21:47
  are
• 21:47
  more,
• 21:49
  I
• 21:49
  don't
• 21:49
  want
• 21:49
  to
• 21:49
  say
• 21:49
  traditionalist
• 21:50
  or
• 21:50
  fundamentalist
• 21:51
  because
• 21:51
  like
• 21:51
  they
• 21:51
  have
• 21:52
  negative
• 21:52
  overtones
• 21:52
  and
• 21:53
  mean
• 21:53
  different
• 21:53
  things.
• 21:53
  But
• 21:54
  probably,
• 21:55
  they're
• 21:55
  probably
• 21:55
  more
• 21:56
  comfortable
• 21:56
  with
• 21:56
  Calvin
• 21:57
  than
• 21:57
  Dr.
• 21:58
  Ord.
• 21:58
  Sometimes
• 21:59
  I
• 21:59
  don't
• 21:59
  think
• 21:59
  any
• 21:59
  of
• 22:00
  them
• 22:00
  are
• 22:00
  Calvinist,
• 22:01
  but
• 22:01
  you
• 22:01
  know,
• 22:02
  if
• 22:03
  that's
• 22:03
  your
• 22:03
  chart,
• 22:03
  they
• 22:04
  might
• 22:04
  be
• 22:04
  more
• 22:04
  comfortable
• 22:04
  with
• 22:05
  Calvin
• 22:05
  maybe.
• 22:07
  So
• 22:07
  today
• 22:07
  we
• 22:08
  mentioned
• 22:08
  we're
• 22:08
  going
• 22:08
  to
• 22:08
  be
• 22:09
  throwing
• 22:09
  in,
• 22:10
  we're
• 22:10
  going
• 22:10
  to
• 22:10
  take
• 22:10
  20
• 22:10
  minutes
• 22:11
  and
• 22:12
  we
• 22:12
  don't
• 22:12
  know
• 22:12
  what
• 22:12
  all
• 22:13
  characters
• 22:13
  we're
• 22:13
  going
• 22:13
  to
• 22:13
  get.
• 22:14
  I
• 22:14
  am
• 22:14
  going
• 22:15
  to
• 22:15
  read
• 22:15
  off
• 22:16
  the
• 22:16
  list
• 22:16
  we
• 22:17
  have
• 22:17
  here,
• 22:18
  we
• 22:18
  have
• 22:18
  23
• 22:19
  characters
• 22:20
  that
• 22:20
  we
• 22:20
  could
• 22:20
  potentially
• 22:21
  have
• 22:21
  in
• 22:21
  conversation.
• 22:22
  I'm
• 22:22
  going
• 22:22
  to
• 22:23
  read
• 22:23
  this
• 22:23
  off
• 22:23
  for
• 22:23
  everybody
• 22:23
  listening.
• 22:24
  Each
• 22:24
  of
• 22:24
  us
• 22:24
  are
• 22:25
  going
• 22:25
  to
• 22:25
  pick
• 22:25
  one
• 22:26
  and
• 22:26
  only
• 22:26
  one
• 22:27
  that
• 22:27
  we're
• 22:27
  going
• 22:27
  to
• 22:27
  add
• 22:27
  ourselves
• 22:28
  and
• 22:29
  then
• 22:29
  the
• 22:29
  rest
• 22:30
  are
• 22:30
  assigned
• 22:31
  a
• 22:31
  number
• 22:31
  and
• 22:31
  I'm
• 22:32
  going
• 22:32
  to
• 22:32
  roll
• 22:32
  a
• 22:32
  20
• 22:32
  sided
• 22:32
  dice
• 22:33
  and
• 22:33
  see
• 22:33
  who
• 22:33
  we
• 22:33
  can
• 22:34
  add
• 22:34
  in
• 22:34
  our
• 22:35
  20
• 22:35
  minutes.
• 22:36
  So
• 22:37
  that's
• 22:37
  where
• 22:37
  we're
• 22:37
  going
• 22:37
  to
• 22:37
  go.
• 22:38
  So
• 22:38
  for
• 22:38
  those
• 22:38
  listening
• 22:39
  I
• 22:39
  mentioned
• 22:39
  we
• 22:39
  have
• 22:39
  more
• 22:40
  Marvel
• 22:40
  than
• 22:40
  dc,
• 22:40
  but
• 22:41
  it's
• 22:42
  a
• 22:42
  little
• 22:42
  bit
• 22:42
  of
• 22:42
  a
• 22:42
  mixed
• 22:42
  bag.
• 22:44
  Here
• 22:44
  we
• 22:44
  are,
• 22:44
  we
• 22:44
  got
• 22:45
  Iron
• 22:45
  Man,
• 22:46
  Luke
• 22:46
  Cage,
• 22:47
  Daredevil,
• 22:48
  Killmonger,
• 22:49
  Ms.
• 22:50
  Marvel,
• 22:51
  Dr.
• 22:51
  Doom,
• 22:52
  Namor,
• 22:53
  Miles
• 22:53
  Morales,
• 22:54
  Deadpool,
• 22:55
  Magneto,
• 22:56
  Hellboy,
• 22:57
  Vess
• 22:58
  from
• 22:58
  Invisible
• 22:59
  Kingdom,
• 22:59
  Scrooge
• 23:00
  McDuck,
• 23:02
  Tara
• 23:03
  from
• 23:03
  the
• 23:03
  Hunger
• 23:04
  and
• 23:04
  the
• 23:04
  Dusk,
• 23:05
  Calvin
• 23:05
  and
• 23:06
  Hobbes.
• 23:06
  I'm
• 23:07
  concluding
• 23:07
  that
• 23:07
  as
• 23:07
  just
• 23:07
  one
• 23:08
  Omni
• 23:08
  man
• 23:09
  from
• 23:09
  Invincible,
• 23:09
  Abel
• 23:10
  from
• 23:10
  Middle
• 23:10
  West,
• 23:11
  Batman,
• 23:12
  Bruce
• 23:12
  Wayne,
• 23:12
  who
• 23:12
  we're
• 23:13
  talking
• 23:13
  about
• 23:13
  Blue
• 23:14
  Beetle.
• 23:15
  Hey,
• 23:15
  Mi
• 23:15
  Reyes,
• 23:16
  Lex
• 23:16
  Luthor,
• 23:17
  Jon
• 23:17
  Kent,
• 23:18
  Nightwing
• 23:19
  and
• 23:19
  Starfire
• 23:20
  are
• 23:20
  the
• 23:21
  potential
• 23:21
  characters
• 23:22
  to
• 23:22
  join
• 23:22
  in
• 23:23
  our
• 23:23
  conversation.
• 23:25
  Jill,
• 23:25
  as
• 23:25
  our
• 23:26
  main
• 23:26
  guest
• 23:26
  today,
• 23:26
  do
• 23:26
  you
• 23:27
  want
• 23:27
  to
• 23:27
  first
• 23:27
  pick?
• 23:28
  We
• 23:28
  are
• 23:28
  only
• 23:28
  going
• 23:28
  to
• 23:29
  get
• 23:29
  to
• 23:29
  pick
• 23:29
  one
• 23:30
  before
• 23:30
  we
• 23:30
  do
• 23:30
  the
• 23:31
  roll.
• 23:32
  Who
• 23:32
  are
• 23:32
  you
• 23:32
  going
• 23:32
  to
• 23:32
  make
• 23:33
  as
• 23:33
  your
• 23:33
  pick
• 23:34
  to
• 23:34
  talk
• 23:34
  to?
• 23:35
  Oh,
• 23:35
  this
• 23:35
  is
• 23:35
  tough.
• 23:36
  Okay.
• 23:36
  I'm
• 23:36
  going
• 23:37
  to
• 23:37
  go
• 23:37
  for
• 23:37
  the
• 23:37
  low
• 23:38
  hanging
• 23:38
  fruit
• 23:39
  here.
• 23:39
  Daredevil.
• 23:40
  Yeah.
• 23:41
  Okay.
• 23:41
  All
• 23:41
  right.
• 23:42
  So
• 23:42
  how
• 23:42
  do
• 23:43
  we
• 23:43
  think
• 23:43
  Daredevil's
• 23:44
  going
• 23:44
  to
• 23:44
  respond
• 23:45
  to
• 23:45
  what
• 23:45
  we
• 23:45
  have
• 23:45
  all
• 23:46
  said
• 23:46
  about
• 23:46
  liberation
• 23:47
  theology
• 23:47
  and
• 23:49
  open
• 23:49
  and
• 23:49
  relational
• 23:49
  theology?
• 23:51
  So
• 23:52
  we
• 23:52
  know
• 23:52
  he's
• 23:52
  Catholic,
• 23:53
  right?
• 23:53
  And
• 23:54
  I
• 23:54
  don't
• 23:54
  think
• 23:54
  he
• 23:55
  comes
• 23:55
  from
• 23:55
  the
• 23:55
  Catholic
• 23:56
  tradition
• 23:56
  that
• 23:56
  you
• 23:56
  described
• 23:57
  as
• 23:58
  the
• 23:58
  beginning
• 23:59
  roots
• 24:00
  of
• 24:00
  liberation
• 24:00
  theology,
• 24:01
  which
• 24:01
  is
• 24:01
  like
• 24:02
  a
• 24:02
  South
• 24:02
  American
• 24:03
  Brazilian
• 24:04
  Catholic
• 24:05
  place.
• 24:06
  I
• 24:06
  think
• 24:06
  he
• 24:07
  is
• 24:07
  going
• 24:07
  to
• 24:07
  have
• 24:07
  a
• 24:08
  very
• 24:08
  traditional
• 24:09
  view
• 24:10
  of
• 24:10
  God
• 24:11
  and
• 24:11
  theology.
• 24:13
  So
• 24:13
  my
• 24:13
  first
• 24:14
  instinct
• 24:14
  is
• 24:14
  to
• 24:14
  say
• 24:15
  no.
• 24:15
  He
• 24:15
  would
• 24:15
  reject
• 24:16
  these
• 24:16
  ideas
• 24:16
  that
• 24:17
  we're
• 24:17
  talking
• 24:17
  about
• 24:17
  here.
• 24:18
  But
• 24:19
  one
• 24:19
  of
• 24:19
  the
• 24:19
  key
• 24:19
  tenets
• 24:20
  of
• 24:20
  open
• 24:20
  and
• 24:21
  relational
• 24:21
  theology
• 24:22
  is
• 24:22
  this
• 24:23
  idea
• 24:23
  that
• 24:24
  because
• 24:24
  God
• 24:25
  can't
• 24:26
  stop
• 24:26
  evil,
• 24:26
  like
• 24:27
  if,
• 24:27
  if
• 24:27
  we,
• 24:28
  if
• 24:28
  we
• 24:28
  had
• 24:29
  a
• 24:29
  loving
• 24:29
  God,
• 24:30
  evil,
• 24:30
  evil
• 24:31
  couldn't
• 24:31
  just
• 24:31
  take
• 24:31
  over
• 24:31
  and
• 24:32
  reign,
• 24:32
  right?
• 24:32
  That
• 24:32
  wouldn't
• 24:33
  be
• 24:33
  good.
• 24:33
  A
• 24:33
  loving
• 24:34
  God
• 24:34
  would
• 24:34
  never
• 24:34
  ordain
• 24:36
  rape
• 24:36
  or
• 24:36
  murder
• 24:37
  or
• 24:37
  genocide
• 24:38
  or
• 24:38
  torture,
• 24:39
  any
• 24:39
  of
• 24:39
  those
• 24:39
  things.
• 24:40
  Even
• 24:40
  poverty,
• 24:41
  right?
• 24:41
  What
• 24:41
  God
• 24:41
  would
• 24:42
  want
• 24:42
  part
• 24:42
  of
• 24:43
  his
• 24:43
  creation
• 24:43
  to
• 24:43
  live
• 24:43
  in
• 24:44
  poverty,
• 24:44
  part
• 24:44
  of
• 24:45
  his
• 24:45
  creation
• 24:45
  to
• 24:45
  live
• 24:45
  with
• 24:46
  wealth
• 24:46
  and
• 24:46
  abundance?
• 24:46
  That
• 24:47
  doesn't
• 24:47
  make
• 24:47
  any
• 24:47
  sense.
• 24:49
  But
• 24:49
  in
• 24:49
  open
• 24:50
  and
• 24:50
  relational
• 24:50
  theology,
• 24:51
  we
• 24:51
  talk
• 24:51
  a
• 24:51
  lot
• 24:52
  about
• 24:52
  the
• 24:52
  idea
• 24:53
  that
• 24:53
  God
• 24:53
  will
• 24:55
  use
• 24:56
  every
• 24:56
  bit
• 24:57
  of
• 24:57
  evil
• 24:57
  or
• 24:58
  bad
• 24:58
  that
• 24:58
  takes
• 24:59
  place
• 24:59
  on
• 24:59
  the
• 24:59
  earth
• 25:00
  and
• 25:00
  squeeze
• 25:00
  every
• 25:01
  ounce
• 25:01
  of
• 25:01
  goodness
• 25:01
  out
• 25:02
  of
• 25:02
  it,
• 25:02
  right?
• 25:02
  Can
• 25:03
  even
• 25:03
  use
• 25:04
  the
• 25:04
  bad
• 25:05
  for
• 25:06
  the
• 25:06
  flourishing
• 25:07
  of
• 25:07
  us
• 25:07
  here
• 25:08
  on
• 25:08
  earth.
• 25:09
  And
• 25:09
  I
• 25:09
  think
• 25:10
  of
• 25:10
  Daredevil
• 25:11
  and
• 25:12
  specifically
• 25:12
  like
• 25:13
  the
• 25:13
  movie
• 25:13
  Daredevil,
• 25:14
  the
• 25:14
  bad
• 25:14
  one
• 25:15
  with
• 25:15
  Ben
• 25:15
  Affleck,
• 25:16
  when
• 25:17
  his
• 25:17
  dad
• 25:17
  is
• 25:17
  talking
• 25:18
  about
• 25:18
  being
• 25:18
  a
• 25:18
  boxer
• 25:19
  and
• 25:19
  he's
• 25:19
  just
• 25:19
  like
• 25:19
  pounding
• 25:20
  the
• 25:20
  hell
• 25:20
  out
• 25:20
  of
• 25:20
  people
• 25:21
  and
• 25:22
  beating
• 25:22
  them
• 25:22
  and
• 25:22
  he's
• 25:22
  like,
• 25:23
  there's
• 25:23
  something
• 25:23
  in
• 25:23
  me.
• 25:24
  There's
• 25:24
  this
• 25:24
  rage
• 25:25
  in
• 25:25
  me
• 25:25
  that
• 25:25
  I
• 25:25
  have
• 25:25
  to,
• 25:26
  like,
• 25:26
  get
• 25:27
  out
• 25:27
  and
• 25:27
  punish.
• 25:28
  And
• 25:29
  I
• 25:29
  think
• 25:30
  Daredevil
• 25:30
  taps
• 25:31
  into
• 25:31
  that.
• 25:31
  I
• 25:31
  think
• 25:32
  he
• 25:32
  inherits
• 25:32
  that
• 25:33
  from
• 25:33
  his
• 25:33
  dad,
• 25:33
  and
• 25:34
  he
• 25:34
  uses
• 25:34
  it.
• 25:34
  And
• 25:34
  not
• 25:35
  that,
• 25:35
  like,
• 25:35
  it's
• 25:35
  good
• 25:36
  that
• 25:36
  he's,
• 25:36
  like,
• 25:37
  kicking
• 25:37
  ass
• 25:37
  of
• 25:38
  bad
• 25:38
  people,
• 25:38
  but
• 25:39
  he
• 25:39
  is
• 25:40
  using
• 25:40
  this
• 25:40
  rage
• 25:41
  in
• 25:41
  a
• 25:41
  way
• 25:41
  to
• 25:42
  ultimately
• 25:42
  bring
• 25:42
  out
• 25:43
  good
• 25:43
  for
• 25:44
  his
• 25:44
  community
• 25:44
  around
• 25:45
  him.
• 25:45
  That's
• 25:45
  my
• 25:45
  pitch.
• 25:46
  Yeah.
• 25:46
  Yeah.
• 25:47
  I
• 25:47
  see
• 25:48
  him
• 25:49
  wanting
• 25:49
  to
• 25:49
  push
• 25:49
  back.
• 25:50
  If
• 25:50
  anything,
• 25:50
  he
• 25:51
  might
• 25:51
  push
• 25:51
  back
• 25:51
  on,
• 25:51
  like,
• 25:51
  open
• 25:52
  and
• 25:52
  relational
• 25:52
  stuff
• 25:53
  because
• 25:53
  he's
• 25:53
  like,
• 25:53
  wait
• 25:53
  a
• 25:53
  minute.
• 25:54
  That's
• 25:54
  not.
• 25:55
  You
• 25:55
  know,
• 25:55
  because
• 25:55
  he's.
• 25:56
  I
• 25:57
  think
• 25:57
  he
• 25:57
  kind
• 25:57
  of
• 25:57
  follows
• 25:58
  the
• 25:58
  Catholic
• 25:58
  Church
• 25:58
  enough.
• 25:59
  That
• 25:59
  is,
• 25:59
  like,
• 25:59
  what
• 25:59
  the
• 26:00
  Pope
• 26:00
  says
• 26:00
  he's
• 26:00
  kind
• 26:00
  of
• 26:00
  going
• 26:01
  to
• 26:01
  roll
• 26:01
  with.
• 26:01
  For
• 26:01
  the
• 26:01
  most
• 26:02
  part.
• 26:02
  Yes.
• 26:03
  But
• 26:04
  I
• 26:04
  think
• 26:04
  liberation
• 26:05
  theology
• 26:05
  is
• 26:05
  where
• 26:05
  he'll
• 26:06
  be
• 26:06
  like,
• 26:06
  okay,
• 26:07
  I
• 26:07
  like
• 26:07
  these
• 26:07
  guys,
• 26:08
  right?
• 26:08
  Because
• 26:08
  I
• 26:09
  can
• 26:09
  see
• 26:09
  him,
• 26:09
  like,
• 26:09
  talking
• 26:09
  about,
• 26:09
  like,
• 26:10
  kicking
• 26:11
  ass,
• 26:11
  like,
• 26:11
  what
• 26:11
  you
• 26:11
  were
• 26:11
  talking
• 26:11
  about,
• 26:11
  right?
• 26:12
  Like,
• 26:12
  kind
• 26:13
  of
• 26:13
  like
• 26:13
  Luffy
• 26:14
  in
• 26:14
  one
• 26:14
  piece,
• 26:14
  where,
• 26:14
  like,
• 26:15
  you
• 26:15
  see
• 26:15
  these
• 26:15
  people
• 26:15
  who
• 26:15
  are
• 26:16
  in
• 26:16
  poverty,
• 26:16
  you
• 26:17
  see
• 26:17
  these
• 26:17
  people
• 26:17
  who
• 26:17
  are
• 26:17
  being
• 26:18
  put
• 26:18
  down
• 26:19
  from
• 26:19
  the
• 26:19
  government.
• 26:20
  And
• 26:20
  I
• 26:20
  don't
• 26:21
  see
• 26:21
  him
• 26:21
  being
• 26:21
  the
• 26:21
  one
• 26:21
  who's
• 26:22
  like,
• 26:22
  well,
• 26:22
  let's
• 26:23
  think
• 26:23
  about
• 26:23
  the
• 26:23
  ontology
• 26:24
  of
• 26:24
  God
• 26:24
  here
• 26:24
  and
• 26:24
  what
• 26:24
  he
• 26:25
  might
• 26:25
  think
• 26:25
  about
• 26:25
  this.
• 26:25
  No,
• 26:26
  he's
• 26:26
  getting
• 26:26
  right
• 26:27
  there
• 26:27
  with
• 26:27
  the
• 26:27
  least
• 26:27
  of
• 26:28
  these
• 26:28
  and
• 26:28
  punching
• 26:29
  up.
• 26:29
  Right?
• 26:30
  And
• 26:30
  that's
• 26:31
  where
• 26:31
  I
• 26:31
  think
• 26:31
  he's
• 26:31
  going
• 26:31
  to
• 26:31
  hear
• 26:32
  that
• 26:32
  kind
• 26:32
  of
• 26:32
  theology
• 26:32
  and
• 26:33
  be
• 26:33
  like,
• 26:33
  okay,
• 26:34
  yeah,
• 26:34
  yeah,
• 26:35
  I
• 26:35
  can
• 26:35
  get
• 26:35
  with
• 26:35
  that.
• 26:36
  Like,
• 26:36
  I
• 26:36
  could
• 26:36
  see
• 26:36
  him
• 26:36
  kind
• 26:36
  of
• 26:37
  resonating
• 26:37
  with
• 26:37
  that
• 26:37
  a
• 26:38
  little
• 26:38
  bit
• 26:38
  more.
• 26:38
  Personally,
• 26:40
  I
• 26:40
  don't
• 26:40
  know,
• 26:40
  though.
• 26:41
  He.
• 26:42
  He
• 26:42
  also
• 26:42
  has
• 26:42
  had
• 26:43
  some
• 26:43
  serious
• 26:44
  dark
• 26:45
  nights
• 26:45
  and
• 26:45
  some
• 26:46
  serious
• 26:46
  questioning
• 26:47
  of
• 26:47
  his
• 26:47
  own
• 26:47
  faith.
• 26:47
  So
• 26:48
  one
• 26:48
  of
• 26:48
  those
• 26:49
  nights,
• 26:49
  if
• 26:49
  we
• 26:49
  get
• 26:49
  him
• 26:49
  on
• 26:49
  the
• 26:50
  right
• 26:50
  night,
• 26:50
  he
• 26:50
  might
• 26:50
  be
• 26:50
  a
• 26:50
  little
• 26:50
  bit
• 26:51
  more
• 26:51
  open
• 26:51
  to
• 26:52
  some
• 26:52
  open
• 26:52
  and
• 26:52
  relational
• 26:52
  stuff
• 26:53
  where
• 26:53
  he's
• 26:53
  like,
• 26:53
  I
• 26:53
  don't
• 26:54
  know
• 26:54
  if
• 26:54
  I
• 26:54
  can
• 26:54
  like
• 26:54
  this
• 26:55
  God.
• 26:55
  Then
• 26:56
  if
• 26:56
  that's
• 26:56
  the
• 26:56
  night
• 26:56
  that
• 26:56
  he
• 26:57
  happens
• 26:57
  to
• 26:57
  hear
• 26:57
  Dr.
• 26:57
  Ord
• 26:58
  audiobook.
• 27:00
  I
• 27:00
  don't
• 27:00
  know.
• 27:00
  Will,
• 27:01
  what.
• 27:01
  What
• 27:02
  are
• 27:02
  you
• 27:02
  thinking?
• 27:03
  I
• 27:04
  like
• 27:04
  it
• 27:05
  that,
• 27:06
  like,
• 27:06
  in
• 27:06
  terms
• 27:06
  of
• 27:07
  what
• 27:07
  we're
• 27:07
  talking
• 27:07
  about,
• 27:07
  what
• 27:07
  makes
• 27:08
  a
• 27:08
  hero,
• 27:08
  what
• 27:08
  makes
• 27:09
  a
• 27:09
  villain,
• 27:09
  and
• 27:10
  your
• 27:10
  response
• 27:10
  to
• 27:10
  trauma,
• 27:11
  like,
• 27:11
  he.
• 27:11
  He
• 27:12
  experienced
• 27:12
  trauma
• 27:13
  and
• 27:13
  a
• 27:14
  disability
• 27:14
  in
• 27:14
  terms
• 27:14
  of
• 27:14
  losing
• 27:15
  his
• 27:15
  eyesight,
• 27:15
  but
• 27:15
  he
• 27:15
  perceives
• 27:16
  in
• 27:16
  different
• 27:16
  ways.
• 27:17
  And
• 27:17
  so
• 27:17
  his
• 27:17
  superpower
• 27:18
  is
• 27:18
  not
• 27:18
  just
• 27:18
  by
• 27:19
  eyes,
• 27:19
  but
• 27:19
  his
• 27:20
  other
• 27:20
  senses.
• 27:21
  So
• 27:21
  I
• 27:21
  think
• 27:22
  it
• 27:22
  may
• 27:22
  take
• 27:23
  some
• 27:23
  time.
• 27:23
  He
• 27:23
  is
• 27:24
  in
• 27:24
  a
• 27:24
  process
• 27:24
  of
• 27:24
  becoming.
• 27:25
  But
• 27:26
  as
• 27:26
  he
• 27:26
  grows,
• 27:26
  in
• 27:27
  terms
• 27:27
  of
• 27:27
  how
• 27:27
  he
• 27:27
  understands
• 27:28
  his
• 27:28
  power
• 27:28
  set,
• 27:29
  his
• 27:29
  relationship
• 27:30
  with
• 27:30
  others,
• 27:30
  and
• 27:31
  how
• 27:31
  he
• 27:31
  perceives
• 27:31
  the
• 27:31
  world
• 27:31
  around
• 27:32
  him.
• 27:32
  I
• 27:32
  think
• 27:33
  over
• 27:33
  the
• 27:33
  course
• 27:33
  of
• 27:33
  time,
• 27:34
  maybe
• 27:34
  not
• 27:35
  young
• 27:35
  Daredevil
• 27:36
  is
• 27:36
  an
• 27:36
  open
• 27:36
  and
• 27:36
  relational
• 27:37
  theologian
• 27:38
  or
• 27:38
  open
• 27:39
  and
• 27:39
  process
• 27:39
  guy,
• 27:40
  but
• 27:40
  I
• 27:40
  think
• 27:41
  Old
• 27:41
  Man
• 27:41
  Daredevil
• 27:42
  is
• 27:43
  weathered
• 27:44
  is
• 27:44
  going
• 27:44
  to
• 27:44
  be
• 27:44
  more
• 27:45
  open
• 27:45
  to
• 27:47
  understanding
• 27:48
  that
• 27:49
  relationship
• 27:50
  with
• 27:50
  others
• 27:50
  in
• 27:50
  the
• 27:51
  senses.
• 27:51
  It
• 27:51
  will
• 27:51
  be
• 27:51
  open
• 27:52
  to
• 27:52
  that.
• 27:52
  But
• 27:52
  I
• 27:52
  do
• 27:52
  agree
• 27:52
  with
• 27:53
  the
• 27:53
  kind
• 27:53
  of
• 27:53
  liberation
• 27:53
  side
• 27:54
  of.
• 27:54
  Maybe
• 27:55
  he
• 27:56
  reads
• 27:57
  a
• 27:57
  liberation
• 27:58
  theologian
• 27:58
  from
• 27:59
  South
• 28:00
  America
• 28:00
  within
• 28:01
  his
• 28:01
  Catholic
• 28:01
  library
• 28:02
  that
• 28:02
  his
• 28:02
  priest
• 28:03
  in
• 28:03
  New
• 28:03
  York
• 28:04
  didn't
• 28:04
  want
• 28:04
  him
• 28:04
  to
• 28:04
  read.
• 28:04
  But
• 28:05
  he
• 28:05
  found
• 28:05
  it
• 28:05
  on
• 28:05
  the
• 28:06
  book,
• 28:06
  and
• 28:06
  so
• 28:06
  he
• 28:06
  grabs
• 28:07
  it
• 28:07
  and
• 28:07
  reads
• 28:07
  it
• 28:07
  on
• 28:07
  his
• 28:08
  own.
• 28:08
  He's
• 28:08
  like,
• 28:08
  ah,
• 28:09
  I
• 28:09
  really
• 28:09
  relate
• 28:10
  to
• 28:10
  this
• 28:10
  because
• 28:10
  the
• 28:10
  people
• 28:11
  in
• 28:11
  Hell's
• 28:11
  Kitchen
• 28:12
  could
• 28:12
  really
• 28:12
  hear
• 28:12
  this.
• 28:13
  Could
• 28:13
  really
• 28:14
  hear
• 28:14
  this
• 28:14
  sermon.
• 28:14
  Why
• 28:14
  are
• 28:15
  they
• 28:15
  hearing
• 28:15
  this
• 28:15
  on
• 28:15
  Sunday?
• 28:16
  And
• 28:16
  he
• 28:17
  brings
• 28:17
  it
• 28:17
  back
• 28:17
  to
• 28:17
  his
• 28:18
  priest,
• 28:18
  and
• 28:18
  he's
• 28:18
  like,
• 28:18
  hey,
• 28:19
  why
• 28:19
  are
• 28:19
  you
• 28:19
  lifting
• 28:19
  up
• 28:19
  this
• 28:20
  book?
• 28:20
  This
• 28:20
  is
• 28:20
  a
• 28:20
  part
• 28:20
  of
• 28:20
  our
• 28:20
  tradition.
• 28:21
  He's
• 28:21
  like,
• 28:22
  I
• 28:22
  want
• 28:23
  to
• 28:23
  read
• 28:23
  more
• 28:23
  Thomas
• 28:23
  Aquinas.
• 28:24
  He's
• 28:24
  like,
• 28:24
  no,
• 28:24
  no,
• 28:24
  you
• 28:24
  shouldn't
• 28:24
  read
• 28:25
  more
• 28:25
  Thomas
• 28:25
  Aquinas.
• 28:26
  You
• 28:26
  should
• 28:26
  read
• 28:28
  Theologian
• 28:29
  from
• 28:29
  the
• 28:29
  Priest
• 28:29
  from
• 28:30
  South
• 28:30
  America.
• 28:30
  So
• 28:30
  I
• 28:31
  think.
• 28:31
  I
• 28:31
  think
• 28:31
  one
• 28:32
  day
• 28:32
  his
• 28:32
  eyes
• 28:32
  will
• 28:32
  be
• 28:32
  opened
• 28:33
  to
• 28:33
  other
• 28:34
  ways
• 28:34
  of
• 28:34
  seeing
• 28:34
  things
• 28:35
  is
• 28:36
  the
• 28:36
  way
• 28:36
  I
• 28:36
  think
• 28:36
  I'm.
• 28:36
  Going
• 28:36
  to
• 28:37
  like
• 28:37
  that.
• 28:37
  All
• 28:37
  right,
• 28:38
  I
• 28:38
  like
• 28:38
  it.
• 28:39
  I
• 28:39
  really
• 28:39
  like
• 28:40
  that.
• 28:40
  I
• 28:40
  want
• 28:40
  to
• 28:40
  respond
• 28:40
  for
• 28:40
  just
• 28:41
  a
• 28:41
  second.
• 28:41
  I
• 28:42
  love
• 28:42
  that
• 28:42
  you're
• 28:42
  talking
• 28:42
  about
• 28:42
  Old
• 28:43
  Man
• 28:43
  Daredevil
• 28:45
  and
• 28:46
  this
• 28:47
  open
• 28:48
  and
• 28:48
  relational
• 28:48
  theologian
• 28:49
  that
• 28:49
  I
• 28:49
  recently
• 28:50
  read,
• 28:50
  Gail
• 28:50
  Hansen
• 28:51
  Brown.
• 28:51
  She
• 28:52
  has
• 28:52
  this
• 28:52
  great
• 28:52
  book
• 28:52
  out,
• 28:53
  Wild
• 28:53
  Geese
• 28:54
  Rising,
• 28:54
  and
• 28:54
  she
• 28:54
  talks
• 28:55
  about
• 28:55
  beholding
• 28:56
  and
• 28:56
  befriending
• 28:57
  God,
• 28:57
  God
• 28:58
  and
• 28:58
  this
• 28:58
  moment
• 28:59
  by
• 28:59
  moment,
• 28:59
  evolution
• 29:00
  that
• 29:00
  we
• 29:00
  make
• 29:00
  as
• 29:01
  humans.
• 29:01
  And
• 29:01
  that's
• 29:02
  just
• 29:02
  what
• 29:02
  I
• 29:02
  had
• 29:03
  in
• 29:03
  my
• 29:03
  mind
• 29:03
  when
• 29:03
  you're
• 29:04
  talking
• 29:04
  about
• 29:04
  that.
• 29:04
  I
• 29:04
  just
• 29:05
  love
• 29:05
  it.
• 29:05
  Yeah,
• 29:06
  the
• 29:06
  end
• 29:06
  of
• 29:06
  his
• 29:06
  life.
• 29:07
  He'll
• 29:07
  get
• 29:07
  there.
• 29:07
  Yeah.
• 29:08
  Yeah,
• 29:08
  I
• 29:09
  love
• 29:09
  it.
• 29:09
  All
• 29:09
  right,
• 29:10
  I'm
• 29:10
  throwing
• 29:11
  in
• 29:11
  for
• 29:12
  my
• 29:12
  one
• 29:12
  pick,
• 29:13
  Hellboy.
• 29:14
  Hellboy's
• 29:15
  joining
• 29:15
  our
• 29:16
  conversation
• 29:16
  today.
• 29:17
  He's
• 29:17
  gonna
• 29:17
  jump
• 29:18
  in.
• 29:18
  He
• 29:18
  just
• 29:18
  heard
• 29:19
  the
• 29:19
  back
• 29:19
  end
• 29:19
  of
• 29:19
  Daredevil
• 29:20
  stuff,
• 29:20
  and
• 29:21
  he's
• 29:22
  rolling
• 29:22
  his
• 29:22
  eyes,
• 29:23
  smoking
• 29:23
  a
• 29:23
  cigar,
• 29:24
  and
• 29:24
  he's
• 29:24
  like,
• 29:25
  listen,
• 29:26
  I've
• 29:26
  seen
• 29:26
  some
• 29:27
  shit,
• 29:27
  man.
• 29:27
  Like,
• 29:28
  he's
• 29:28
  like,
• 29:29
  dude,
• 29:29
  like,
• 29:30
  I
• 29:30
  hear
• 29:30
  what
• 29:30
  you're
• 29:30
  saying.
• 29:31
  Why
• 29:31
  you
• 29:31
  want
• 29:31
  to
• 29:31
  follow
• 29:31
  the
• 29:31
  Catholic
• 29:32
  Church?
• 29:32
  Trust
• 29:33
  me,
• 29:33
  they
• 29:33
  don't
• 29:33
  know
• 29:33
  what's
• 29:34
  out
• 29:34
  there.
• 29:34
  Like,
• 29:35
  he
• 29:35
  has
• 29:35
  seen
• 29:36
  it.
• 29:36
  And
• 29:36
  he's
• 29:37
  like,
• 29:37
  listen,
• 29:37
  I'm
• 29:37
  not
• 29:37
  willing
• 29:38
  to
• 29:38
  commit
• 29:38
  to
• 29:38
  any
• 29:39
  ontological
• 29:40
  commitments.
• 29:40
  I'm
• 29:40
  not
• 29:40
  willing
• 29:41
  to
• 29:41
  say
• 29:41
  anything
• 29:41
  is
• 29:41
  completely
• 29:42
  true
• 29:43
  or
• 29:43
  false
• 29:43
  at
• 29:43
  all.
• 29:44
  He's
• 29:44
  like,
• 29:45
  sure,
• 29:45
  maybe
• 29:45
  that
• 29:46
  open
• 29:46
  and
• 29:46
  relational.
• 29:46
  God's
• 29:47
  true
• 29:47
  Maybe
• 29:47
  it's
• 29:47
  not.
• 29:48
  Maybe
• 29:48
  there's
• 29:48
  12
• 29:48
  gods.
• 29:49
  You
• 29:49
  know,
• 29:49
  I've
• 29:49
  met
• 29:49
  a
• 29:49
  few.
• 29:51
  You
• 29:51
  know,
• 29:52
  he's
• 29:52
  the
• 29:52
  child
• 29:52
  of
• 29:53
  a
• 29:53
  demon.
• 29:54
  His.
• 29:54
  He
• 29:55
  only
• 29:55
  exists
• 29:55
  because
• 29:56
  his
• 29:56
  mother
• 29:56
  said
• 29:56
  the
• 29:56
  sinner's
• 29:57
  prayer
• 29:57
  while
• 29:57
  giving
• 29:58
  birth
• 29:58
  in
• 29:58
  hell.
• 29:58
  So
• 29:59
  he's
• 29:59
  probably
• 29:59
  like,
• 30:00
  dude,
• 30:00
  I
• 30:00
  have
• 30:00
  no
• 30:01
  idea.
• 30:01
  This
• 30:01
  whole
• 30:01
  God
• 30:02
  stuff
• 30:02
  is
• 30:02
  weird.
• 30:03
  Everything
• 30:03
  I've
• 30:04
  seen
• 30:04
  my
• 30:04
  entire
• 30:04
  life
• 30:05
  has
• 30:05
  been
• 30:05
  kind
• 30:05
  of
• 30:06
  strange.
• 30:07
  Sure.
• 30:08
  If
• 30:08
  you
• 30:08
  want
• 30:08
  to
• 30:08
  do
• 30:08
  this
• 30:09
  liberation
• 30:09
  theology.
• 30:10
  Y'
• 30:10
  all
• 30:10
  sound
• 30:11
  cool,
• 30:11
  because,
• 30:12
  you
• 30:12
  know,
• 30:12
  his
• 30:12
  whole
• 30:13
  life,
• 30:13
  he's
• 30:13
  been
• 30:14
  belittled,
• 30:14
  looked
• 30:14
  at
• 30:15
  weird.
• 30:15
  He
• 30:15
  was
• 30:15
  the
• 30:15
  other.
• 30:16
  He
• 30:16
  looks
• 30:16
  like
• 30:16
  a
• 30:16
  demon.
• 30:17
  Everyone
• 30:17
  assumes
• 30:18
  he's
• 30:18
  evil.
• 30:18
  So
• 30:18
  he's
• 30:18
  probably,
• 30:19
  like
• 30:19
  liberation
• 30:19
  theology.
• 30:20
  Yeah.
• 30:20
  The
• 30:21
  other
• 30:21
  stuff,
• 30:21
  guys,
• 30:21
  y'
• 30:22
  all
• 30:22
  are
• 30:22
  just
• 30:22
  talking
• 30:23
  out
• 30:23
  your
• 30:23
  ass.
• 30:23
  There
• 30:23
  are
• 30:23
  so
• 30:24
  many
• 30:24
  things
• 30:24
  out
• 30:24
  there,
• 30:24
  you
• 30:25
  have
• 30:25
  no
• 30:25
  idea.
• 30:26
  And
• 30:26
  he
• 30:27
  probably
• 30:27
  just
• 30:27
  going
• 30:27
  to
• 30:27
  shrug
• 30:27
  it
• 30:28
  off
• 30:28
  for
• 30:28
  the
• 30:28
  most
• 30:28
  part.
• 30:30
  Yeah.
• 30:30
  But
• 30:31
  any
• 30:31
  other
• 30:32
  thoughts,
• 30:32
  what
• 30:33
  Hellboy
• 30:33
  might
• 30:33
  add?
• 30:33
  How
• 30:34
  might
• 30:34
  we
• 30:34
  respond
• 30:34
  to
• 30:35
  Hellboy?
• 30:35
  How
• 30:35
  might
• 30:35
  Daredevil
• 30:36
  respond
• 30:36
  to
• 30:36
  Hellboy
• 30:36
  now
• 30:36
  that
• 30:36
  we
• 30:37
  had,
• 30:37
  like,
• 30:37
  all
• 30:37
  five
• 30:37
  of
• 30:37
  us
• 30:38
  in
• 30:38
  here?
• 30:38
  Well,
• 30:38
  is
• 30:39
  Hellboy
• 30:39
  an
• 30:39
  atheist?
• 30:40
  I
• 30:40
  mean,
• 30:40
  I
• 30:41
  would
• 30:41
  say
• 30:41
  probably
• 30:41
  not.
• 30:42
  He
• 30:42
  works
• 30:42
  with
• 30:42
  the
• 30:42
  Catholic
• 30:43
  Church
• 30:43
  a
• 30:43
  lot.
• 30:43
  Okay.
• 30:44
  And,
• 30:45
  you
• 30:45
  know,
• 30:46
  he
• 30:46
  was
• 30:46
  supposed
• 30:47
  to
• 30:47
  take
• 30:47
  over
• 30:47
  for
• 30:47
  Lucifer,
• 30:48
  but
• 30:48
  just
• 30:48
  didn't
• 30:48
  really
• 30:48
  want
• 30:49
  that
• 30:49
  job,
• 30:51
  too.
• 30:51
  Too
• 30:51
  big
• 30:51
  of
• 30:51
  a
• 30:51
  job.
• 30:52
  I
• 30:52
  get
• 30:52
  it.
• 30:52
  Yeah.
• 30:53
  Yeah.
• 30:53
  It
• 30:53
  also
• 30:54
  kind
• 30:54
  of
• 30:54
  sucks.
• 30:55
  I
• 30:56
  think
• 30:56
  you
• 30:56
  just
• 30:56
  didn't
• 30:56
  want
• 30:56
  to
• 30:56
  stay
• 30:56
  down
• 30:57
  there.
• 30:58
  Yeah.
• 31:00
  I
• 31:00
  mean,
• 31:00
  I'm
• 31:01
  thinking
• 31:01
  just
• 31:01
  Daredevil
• 31:02
  and
• 31:02
  Hellboy
• 31:03
  alone,
• 31:04
  without
• 31:04
  us
• 31:04
  in
• 31:05
  the
• 31:05
  conversation,
• 31:05
  are
• 31:05
  going
• 31:06
  to
• 31:06
  have
• 31:06
  lots
• 31:06
  to
• 31:07
  go
• 31:07
  around
• 31:07
  back
• 31:07
  and
• 31:08
  forth.
• 31:08
  Yeah.
• 31:08
  Yeah.
• 31:09
  Well,
• 31:09
  I
• 31:10
  think
• 31:10
  the
• 31:10
  interesting
• 31:11
  thing
• 31:11
  with
• 31:11
  them,
• 31:11
  too,
• 31:11
  might
• 31:12
  be,
• 31:12
  you
• 31:12
  know,
• 31:13
  Daredevil
• 31:13
  was
• 31:13
  talking,
• 31:14
  like,
• 31:14
  punching
• 31:15
  up
• 31:15
  and
• 31:15
  with
• 31:16
  humanity
• 31:17
  and
• 31:17
  Hellboys.
• 31:18
  Like,
• 31:18
  humanity
• 31:19
  is
• 31:19
  like
• 31:19
  a
• 31:19
  blimp
• 31:20
  on
• 31:20
  the
• 31:20
  map,
• 31:20
  my
• 31:20
  dude.
• 31:21
  And
• 31:21
  Daredevil's
• 31:22
  like,
• 31:22
  nah,
• 31:22
  humanity's
• 31:23
  everything,
• 31:24
  you
• 31:24
  know?
• 31:24
  So
• 31:25
  I
• 31:25
  feel
• 31:25
  like
• 31:25
  that
• 31:25
  might
• 31:25
  be
• 31:25
  a
• 31:25
  little
• 31:25
  bit
• 31:26
  of
• 31:26
  difference,
• 31:26
  too.
• 31:27
  For
• 31:27
  sure.
• 31:29
  Much
• 31:29
  wider
• 31:30
  perspective
• 31:30
  coming
• 31:30
  from
• 31:31
  Hellboy.
• 31:32
  Yeah.
• 31:32
  Yeah.
• 31:33
  Will.
• 31:33
  Anything
• 31:34
  to
• 31:34
  add,
• 31:34
  or
• 31:34
  do
• 31:35
  you
• 31:35
  want
• 31:35
  to
• 31:35
  go
• 31:35
  ahead
• 31:35
  and
• 31:35
  do
• 31:35
  your
• 31:36
  first
• 31:36
  character?
• 31:36
  Where
• 31:37
  you
• 31:37
  at?
• 31:37
  No,
• 31:38
  I'll.
• 31:38
  Just
• 31:38
  to
• 31:39
  add,
• 31:39
  with
• 31:39
  Hellboy,
• 31:39
  I
• 31:40
  think
• 31:40
  his
• 31:40
  character
• 31:41
  really
• 31:41
  deals
• 31:41
  with
• 31:41
  nature
• 31:42
  versus
• 31:42
  nurture.
• 31:43
  So,
• 31:43
  you
• 31:43
  know,
• 31:44
  if
• 31:44
  he
• 31:44
  was.
• 31:44
  If
• 31:45
  he
• 31:45
  stayed
• 31:45
  in
• 31:45
  hell,
• 31:46
  would
• 31:46
  he
• 31:46
  become,
• 31:47
  like,
• 31:47
  an
• 31:48
  evil
• 31:48
  demon?
• 31:48
  Or
• 31:48
  is
• 31:48
  it
• 31:49
  because
• 31:49
  he
• 31:49
  was
• 31:49
  raised
• 31:49
  by
• 31:49
  a
• 31:49
  really
• 31:50
  good
• 31:50
  dude
• 31:50
  who
• 31:50
  is,
• 31:51
  like,
• 31:52
  created
• 31:52
  a
• 31:52
  paranormal
• 31:55
  super
• 31:55
  team
• 31:56
  to
• 31:56
  deal
• 31:56
  with
• 31:56
  the
• 31:56
  problems
• 31:57
  of
• 31:57
  the
• 31:57
  earth
• 31:57
  if
• 31:57
  he
• 31:57
  was
• 31:58
  raised
• 31:58
  in
• 31:58
  a
• 31:58
  different
• 31:59
  household,
• 31:59
  so
• 32:00
  that
• 32:00
  nature,
• 32:00
  nurture,
• 32:01
  I
• 32:02
  think,
• 32:02
  also
• 32:03
  comes
• 32:03
  into
• 32:03
  play
• 32:03
  in
• 32:04
  terms
• 32:04
  of
• 32:04
  his
• 32:04
  outlook
• 32:05
  of
• 32:05
  how
• 32:05
  he
• 32:05
  sees
• 32:05
  the
• 32:05
  world
• 32:05
  and
• 32:06
  what's
• 32:06
  presented
• 32:06
  to
• 32:07
  him.
• 32:07
  His
• 32:07
  present
• 32:07
  day
• 32:07
  context
• 32:08
  really
• 32:08
  matters.
• 32:09
  Yeah,
• 32:09
  he's
• 32:09
  a
• 32:09
  demon,
• 32:09
  but
• 32:09
  he's
• 32:10
  raised
• 32:10
  in
• 32:10
  like
• 32:10
  a
• 32:10
  really,
• 32:11
  like
• 32:11
  a
• 32:11
  nurturing,
• 32:12
  loving
• 32:12
  household.
• 32:13
  So
• 32:13
  that
• 32:13
  that
• 32:14
  makes
• 32:14
  a
• 32:14
  difference
• 32:14
  in
• 32:14
  terms
• 32:15
  of
• 32:15
  how
• 32:15
  he
• 32:15
  uses
• 32:15
  that
• 32:15
  big
• 32:16
  fist,
• 32:17
  a
• 32:17
  huge,
• 32:17
  huge
• 32:17
  punching
• 32:18
  up
• 32:18
  or
• 32:18
  punching
• 32:18
  down
• 32:19
  with
• 32:19
  that
• 32:19
  big
• 32:19
  old
• 32:20
  fist
• 32:20
  of
• 32:20
  his.
• 32:21
  And
• 32:22
  then
• 32:22
  I'll
• 32:22
  add
• 32:22
  to
• 32:22
  the
• 32:22
  conversation.
• 32:23
  I'm
• 32:23
  going
• 32:23
  to
• 32:23
  add
• 32:24
  the
• 32:25
  original
• 32:25
  Robin,
• 32:26
  Dick
• 32:26
  Grayson,
• 32:27
  Nightwing.
• 32:28
  And
• 32:29
  I
• 32:29
  think
• 32:29
  he's
• 32:30
  seen
• 32:30
  in
• 32:30
  the
• 32:30
  world
• 32:31
  how
• 32:32
  a
• 32:32
  brooding.
• 32:33
  Were
• 32:33
  we
• 32:33
  adding
• 32:35
  a
• 32:35
  brooding
• 32:36
  hero
• 32:37
  that
• 32:38
  experienced
• 32:38
  trauma
• 32:39
  and
• 32:39
  really
• 32:40
  doesn't
• 32:40
  like
• 32:40
  any
• 32:40
  jokes.
• 32:41
  And
• 32:41
  he's
• 32:41
  got
• 32:41
  to
• 32:41
  be
• 32:42
  really
• 32:42
  serious
• 32:42
  all
• 32:42
  the
• 32:42
  time,
• 32:43
  how
• 32:43
  Nightwing
• 32:44
  is
• 32:44
  the
• 32:44
  one
• 32:44
  who
• 32:44
  is
• 32:45
  the
• 32:45
  acrobat,
• 32:45
  who
• 32:46
  does
• 32:46
  bring
• 32:46
  a
• 32:47
  little
• 32:47
  levity
• 32:47
  to
• 32:48
  the
• 32:49
  world
• 32:49
  and
• 32:49
  has
• 32:49
  quips
• 32:50
  and
• 32:50
  jokes
• 32:50
  and
• 32:51
  is
• 32:52
  a
• 32:53
  little
• 32:53
  bit
• 32:53
  more
• 32:53
  pep
• 32:53
  in
• 32:53
  his
• 32:54
  step,
• 32:54
  but
• 32:55
  he
• 32:55
  still
• 32:55
  understands
• 32:57
  the
• 32:58
  underside
• 32:58
  of
• 32:58
  Gotham
• 33:00
  and
• 33:01
  man
• 33:03
  as
• 33:03
  Nightwing.
• 33:04
  What's
• 33:04
  his
• 33:04
  neighborhood?
• 33:05
  I
• 33:05
  can't
• 33:05
  really
• 33:06
  forget
• 33:06
  this.
• 33:06
  Oh,
• 33:07
  my
• 33:07
  gosh,
• 33:09
  Bloodhaven
• 33:09
  Bludhaven.
• 33:10
  I
• 33:10
  think
• 33:10
  it's
• 33:11
  Bloodhaven,
• 33:11
  his
• 33:11
  neighborhood,
• 33:12
  that
• 33:12
  he
• 33:13
  kind
• 33:13
  of
• 33:13
  protects
• 33:14
  and
• 33:14
  goes
• 33:14
  off.
• 33:14
  He
• 33:14
  becomes
• 33:15
  his
• 33:15
  own
• 33:15
  person,
• 33:15
  his
• 33:16
  own
• 33:16
  hero.
• 33:17
  So
• 33:17
  I'm
• 33:18
  bringing
• 33:18
  Nightwing,
• 33:18
  I'm
• 33:18
  bringing
• 33:19
  Nightwing
• 33:19
  to
• 33:19
  the
• 33:19
  conversation.
• 33:20
  He's
• 33:21
  seen
• 33:21
  what
• 33:21
  trauma
• 33:21
  can
• 33:22
  do
• 33:22
  to
• 33:23
  a
• 33:23
  mentor
• 33:23
  or
• 33:24
  a
• 33:24
  father
• 33:24
  figure
• 33:24
  in
• 33:24
  his
• 33:25
  life.
• 33:25
  And
• 33:25
  losing
• 33:25
  his
• 33:25
  own
• 33:26
  parents
• 33:26
  doesn't
• 33:27
  want
• 33:27
  anybody
• 33:27
  else
• 33:27
  to
• 33:27
  experience
• 33:28
  that
• 33:28
  for
• 33:29
  themselves.
• 33:29
  So
• 33:29
  he's
• 33:29
  going
• 33:30
  to
• 33:30
  really
• 33:30
  lean
• 33:31
  into
• 33:31
  some,
• 33:31
  some
• 33:32
  liberation
• 33:33
  philosophy
• 33:33
  and
• 33:33
  theology.
• 33:34
  And
• 33:35
  I
• 33:35
  think,
• 33:36
  yeah.
• 33:36
  In
• 33:36
  terms
• 33:36
  of
• 33:36
  open
• 33:37
  and
• 33:37
  relational
• 33:38
  things
• 33:38
  being
• 33:38
  open,
• 33:38
  the
• 33:39
  future
• 33:39
  being
• 33:39
  open.
• 33:39
  He
• 33:40
  wouldn't
• 33:40
  do
• 33:40
  what
• 33:40
  he
• 33:40
  would
• 33:41
  do
• 33:41
  if
• 33:41
  he
• 33:41
  didn't
• 33:42
  think
• 33:42
  he
• 33:42
  could
• 33:42
  make
• 33:42
  a
• 33:42
  difference
• 33:43
  in
• 33:43
  the
• 33:43
  world.
• 33:43
  It's
• 33:43
  just
• 33:43
  all
• 33:44
  predetermined.
• 33:44
  Yeah.
• 33:45
  I.
• 33:46
  I
• 33:47
  also
• 33:47
  think
• 33:47
  it
• 33:47
  would
• 33:47
  be
• 33:47
  fun
• 33:48
  once,
• 33:48
  now
• 33:49
  that
• 33:49
  Nightwing's
• 33:50
  here,
• 33:50
  having
• 33:50
  him
• 33:51
  interact
• 33:51
  with
• 33:51
  some
• 33:51
  of
• 33:51
  these
• 33:51
  other
• 33:52
  characters.
• 33:52
  Because
• 33:53
  what
• 33:53
  I
• 33:53
  see
• 33:54
  happening
• 33:54
  here
• 33:54
  is
• 33:55
  like,
• 33:55
  they've
• 33:55
  already
• 33:56
  started
• 33:56
  ignoring
• 33:56
  us.
• 33:57
  I
• 33:57
  feel
• 33:57
  like.
• 33:57
  Right.
• 33:58
  And
• 33:59
  like,
• 33:59
  Nightwing
• 34:00
  is
• 34:00
  talking
• 34:00
  about
• 34:00
  all
• 34:00
  this
• 34:01
  stuff
• 34:01
  that
• 34:01
  you
• 34:01
  just
• 34:01
  mentioned
• 34:01
  with,
• 34:01
  like,
• 34:02
  Bludhaven.
• 34:02
  And
• 34:02
  if
• 34:03
  you
• 34:03
  followed
• 34:03
  like
• 34:04
  the.
• 34:04
  One
• 34:04
  of
• 34:04
  the
• 34:04
  more
• 34:05
  recent
• 34:05
  runs
• 34:05
  of
• 34:05
  Nightwing,
• 34:06
  you
• 34:06
  know,
• 34:06
  like,
• 34:07
  they
• 34:07
  actually
• 34:07
  started
• 34:07
  implementing
• 34:08
  plans
• 34:09
  for
• 34:09
  Bludhaven
• 34:10
  on
• 34:10
  how
• 34:10
  to
• 34:10
  like,
• 34:11
  structurally
• 34:12
  fix
• 34:12
  the
• 34:12
  city
• 34:12
  so
• 34:13
  that
• 34:13
  there
• 34:13
  just
• 34:13
  is
• 34:13
  less
• 34:14
  crime
• 34:14
  instead
• 34:14
  of
• 34:14
  beating
• 34:15
  up
• 34:15
  the
• 34:15
  bad
• 34:15
  guys.
• 34:17
  And
• 34:17
  I
• 34:17
  feel
• 34:18
  like
• 34:18
  Daredevil's
• 34:19
  hearing
• 34:19
  some
• 34:20
  of
• 34:20
  his
• 34:20
  story
• 34:20
  going,
• 34:21
  hold
• 34:21
  up
• 34:21
  now.
• 34:22
  And
• 34:23
  I
• 34:23
  feel
• 34:23
  like
• 34:23
  the
• 34:23
  two
• 34:23
  of
• 34:23
  them
• 34:24
  are
• 34:24
  taking
• 34:24
  this
• 34:24
  liberation
• 34:25
  theology
• 34:25
  route
• 34:25
  and
• 34:25
  are
• 34:26
  like,
• 34:26
  all
• 34:26
  right,
• 34:26
  we're
• 34:26
  talking
• 34:27
  practically.
• 34:27
  What
• 34:27
  do
• 34:28
  we
• 34:28
  do?
• 34:29
  And
• 34:29
  maybe
• 34:29
  by
• 34:29
  the
• 34:29
  time
• 34:30
  their
• 34:30
  conversation
• 34:30
  ends,
• 34:31
  Hellboy's
• 34:31
  just
• 34:32
  gonna
• 34:32
  stand
• 34:32
  back
• 34:32
  up
• 34:32
  and
• 34:33
  go
• 34:33
  Are
• 34:33
  we
• 34:34
  gonna
• 34:34
  go
• 34:34
  do
• 34:34
  this
• 34:35
  or
• 34:35
  what?
• 34:36
  You
• 34:36
  know,
• 34:36
  Like,
• 34:36
  I
• 34:36
  feel
• 34:37
  like
• 34:37
  he's
• 34:37
  just
• 34:37
  quietly
• 34:37
  waiting
• 34:38
  for
• 34:38
  the
• 34:38
  moment
• 34:38
  of
• 34:38
  action
• 34:39
  at
• 34:39
  this
• 34:39
  point.
• 34:40
  But
• 34:40
  those
• 34:41
  two
• 34:41
  are
• 34:41
  really
• 34:41
  talking
• 34:41
  about
• 34:42
  New
• 34:42
  York,
• 34:43
  what's
• 34:43
  happening
• 34:44
  in
• 34:44
  Hell's
• 34:44
  Kitchen,
• 34:45
  what's
• 34:45
  happening
• 34:45
  in
• 34:45
  Bloodhaven,
• 34:46
  and
• 34:46
  how
• 34:46
  we
• 34:46
  can,
• 34:46
  like,
• 34:46
  structurally
• 34:47
  fix
• 34:47
  the
• 34:47
  cities.
• 34:48
  Like,
• 34:48
  I
• 34:48
  feel
• 34:48
  like
• 34:48
  once
• 34:48
  Nightwing
• 34:49
  brings
• 34:49
  that
• 34:49
  up,
• 34:50
  Matt
• 34:50
  Murdock's
• 34:51
  smart.
• 34:51
  I
• 34:52
  feel
• 34:52
  like
• 34:52
  he's
• 34:52
  like,
• 34:52
  hold
• 34:53
  up.
• 34:54
  And
• 34:55
  maybe
• 34:55
  we're
• 34:55
  even
• 34:55
  getting
• 34:56
  away
• 34:56
  from
• 34:56
  theology
• 34:56
  this
• 34:57
  way.
• 34:57
  We're
• 34:57
  just
• 34:57
  talking,
• 34:57
  like,
• 34:58
  practically,
• 34:58
  what
• 34:58
  do
• 34:58
  we
• 34:58
  do?
• 34:59
  Right.
• 35:00
  I'm
• 35:00
  thinking
• 35:00
  politics,
• 35:01
  like,
• 35:01
  which
• 35:02
  one's
• 35:02
  gonna
• 35:02
  run
• 35:02
  for
• 35:03
  office.
• 35:04
  And
• 35:05
  structurally
• 35:06
  fixed,
• 35:07
  you
• 35:07
  know,
• 35:08
  class
• 35:08
  inequality
• 35:09
  in
• 35:10
  their
• 35:10
  city.
• 35:10
  And
• 35:10
  then
• 35:11
  Hellboy
• 35:12
  jumps
• 35:12
  in,
• 35:12
  is
• 35:13
  like,
• 35:13
  well,
• 35:13
  just
• 35:13
  in
• 35:13
  case
• 35:14
  that
• 35:14
  doesn't
• 35:14
  work,
• 35:15
  I'm
• 35:15
  ready.
• 35:17
  Yeah.
• 35:18
  Yeah.
• 35:18
  He's
• 35:19
  smoking
• 35:19
  a
• 35:20
  lot
• 35:20
  of
• 35:20
  cigars
• 35:20
  while
• 35:20
  they.
• 35:21
  While
• 35:21
  they're
• 35:21
  hashing
• 35:21
  out
• 35:22
  the
• 35:22
  details.
• 35:23
  I
• 35:23
  see.
• 35:23
  I
• 35:24
  got
• 35:24
  this.
• 35:24
  I
• 35:24
  like
• 35:24
  this.
• 35:24
  Yeah.
• 35:25
  Yeah.
• 35:25
  All
• 35:25
  right.
• 35:26
  Okay,
• 35:26
  so
• 35:27
  now
• 35:27
  we
• 35:27
  are.
• 35:27
  We're
• 35:27
  about
• 35:28
  15
• 35:28
  minutes
• 35:29
  into
• 35:29
  our
• 35:30
  20
• 35:30
  minutes,
• 35:30
  or
• 35:30
  I'm
• 35:30
  going
• 35:30
  to
• 35:31
  extend.
• 35:31
  I'm
• 35:31
  going
• 35:31
  to
• 35:32
  send
• 35:32
  our
• 35:32
  time.
• 35:32
  I'll
• 35:32
  give
• 35:32
  us
• 35:33
  10
• 35:33
  more
• 35:33
  minutes,
• 35:33
  and
• 35:33
  we're
• 35:33
  going
• 35:33
  to
• 35:34
  roll
• 35:34
  the
• 35:34
  dice
• 35:34
  and
• 35:35
  see
• 35:35
  who
• 35:35
  we
• 35:35
  get
• 35:36
  for
• 35:36
  our
• 35:36
  next
• 35:37
  character
• 35:37
  joining
• 35:37
  in
• 35:37
  this.
• 35:39
  All
• 35:39
  right,
• 35:39
  here
• 35:39
  we
• 35:40
  go.
• 35:40
  I
• 35:40
  got
• 35:41
  one.
• 35:41
  What
• 35:42
  a
• 35:42
  number.
• 35:43
  Number
• 35:44
  one
• 35:44
  on
• 35:44
  our
• 35:44
  list
• 35:45
  is
• 35:45
  Iron
• 35:46
  Man.
• 35:47
  Okay.
• 35:47
  Iron
• 35:48
  Man.
• 35:48
  Okay.
• 35:49
  So,
• 35:50
  man.
• 35:50
  Will,
• 35:51
  do
• 35:51
  you
• 35:51
  want
• 35:51
  to
• 35:51
  let
• 35:51
  me
• 35:52
  know
• 35:52
  how
• 35:52
  Iron
• 35:52
  Man's
• 35:53
  responding
• 35:53
  to
• 35:54
  any
• 35:55
  this?
• 35:55
  Because,
• 35:56
  you
• 35:56
  know,
• 35:56
  I'm
• 35:56
  like,
• 35:56
  the
• 35:56
  number
• 35:56
  one
• 35:57
  Iron
• 35:57
  man
• 35:57
  haters,
• 35:58
  so
• 35:58
  I
• 35:58
  don't
• 35:58
  have
• 35:58
  a
• 35:59
  ton
• 35:59
  to
• 35:59
  say.
• 35:59
  You
• 35:59
  are.
• 36:00
  That's
• 36:00
  why
• 36:00
  you're
• 36:00
  wearing
• 36:00
  that
• 36:01
  dumb
• 36:01
  Captain
• 36:01
  America
• 36:02
  shirt.
• 36:02
  Yeah,
• 36:03
  I
• 36:03
  prefer
• 36:03
  good
• 36:03
  guys.
• 36:03
  I
• 36:03
  love
• 36:04
  it
• 36:05
  over
• 36:06
  murderers
• 36:06
  and,
• 36:08
  you
• 36:08
  know,
• 36:08
  people
• 36:08
  who
• 36:08
  are
• 36:08
  narcissists
• 36:09
  and
• 36:10
  drunks
• 36:10
  and
• 36:11
  murderers.
• 36:11
  Maybe
• 36:12
  rape.
• 36:13
  He's
• 36:13
  done
• 36:13
  a
• 36:13
  lot
• 36:14
  of,
• 36:14
  like.
• 36:14
  I
• 36:14
  just.
• 36:14
  I'm
• 36:14
  not
• 36:15
  a
• 36:15
  fan.
• 36:15
  Okay.
• 36:15
  Will.
• 36:18
  I
• 36:18
  love
• 36:18
  the
• 36:19
  irony.
• 36:19
  I
• 36:20
  love
• 36:20
  the
• 36:20
  irony
• 36:20
  that
• 36:20
  Iron
• 36:21
  man
• 36:22
  was
• 36:22
  brought
• 36:22
  in
• 36:23
  here
• 36:24
  for
• 36:24
  you,
• 36:24
  Joshua,
• 36:25
  and
• 36:25
  our
• 36:25
  good
• 36:26
  friend
• 36:26
  Ryan
• 36:26
  Doze,
• 36:26
  who
• 36:27
  also
• 36:27
  is
• 36:27
  not
• 36:27
  a
• 36:27
  big
• 36:27
  Iron
• 36:27
  Man.
• 36:28
  And
• 36:28
  I
• 36:28
  think
• 36:29
  when
• 36:30
  he
• 36:30
  was
• 36:30
  created,
• 36:30
  he
• 36:30
  was
• 36:31
  seen
• 36:31
  as
• 36:31
  kind
• 36:31
  of
• 36:31
  like,
• 36:32
  oh,
• 36:32
  the
• 36:33
  good
• 36:33
  guys
• 36:33
  have
• 36:33
  lots
• 36:34
  of
• 36:34
  money
• 36:34
  and
• 36:34
  can
• 36:36
  help
• 36:36
  the
• 36:36
  world
• 36:36
  by
• 36:37
  doing
• 36:37
  all
• 36:37
  this
• 36:37
  stuff.
• 36:37
  So
• 36:37
  they're
• 36:38
  almost
• 36:38
  like
• 36:38
  an
• 36:38
  Elon
• 36:38
  Musk
• 36:40
  character,
• 36:41
  a
• 36:41
  billionaire
• 36:42
  1
• 36:42
  percenter
• 36:43
  who
• 36:43
  can
• 36:44
  use
• 36:44
  their
• 36:44
  money
• 36:44
  to
• 36:45
  be
• 36:45
  a
• 36:45
  superhero
• 36:45
  and
• 36:45
  get
• 36:45
  all
• 36:46
  the
• 36:46
  gadgets
• 36:46
  and
• 36:46
  make
• 36:46
  all
• 36:47
  the
• 36:47
  cool
• 36:47
  sci
• 36:47
  fi
• 36:47
  stuff
• 36:48
  that
• 36:48
  everybody
• 36:48
  wishes
• 36:48
  they
• 36:48
  could
• 36:49
  have.
• 36:49
  But
• 36:49
  as
• 36:50
  of
• 36:50
  the
• 36:50
  last
• 36:50
  decade,
• 36:51
  the
• 36:52
  millionaires,
• 36:52
  billionaires,
• 36:53
  have
• 36:53
  a
• 36:53
  bunch
• 36:53
  of
• 36:53
  money
• 36:54
  and
• 36:54
  gadgets
• 36:56
  haven't
• 36:56
  been
• 36:56
  Looked
• 36:56
  down
• 36:57
  upon
• 36:57
  or
• 36:58
  haven't
• 36:58
  been
• 36:58
  looked
• 36:59
  upon
• 36:59
  with.
• 37:00
  With
• 37:00
  a
• 37:00
  lot
• 37:00
  of
• 37:00
  favor,
• 37:01
  I
• 37:02
  guess
• 37:02
  you
• 37:02
  could
• 37:02
  say.
• 37:02
  And
• 37:02
  so,
• 37:03
  yeah,
• 37:04
  him
• 37:04
  entering
• 37:04
  the
• 37:05
  chat
• 37:05
  of
• 37:05
  like,
• 37:07
  all
• 37:07
  right,
• 37:07
  guys,
• 37:08
  I
• 37:08
  think
• 37:08
  I
• 37:08
  can
• 37:08
  solve
• 37:09
  this
• 37:09
  problem.
• 37:09
  I'm
• 37:09
  the
• 37:09
  smartest
• 37:10
  person
• 37:10
  in
• 37:10
  the
• 37:10
  room.
• 37:10
  I
• 37:10
  don't
• 37:11
  know
• 37:11
  how
• 37:11
  the
• 37:11
  other
• 37:11
  people
• 37:11
  would
• 37:11
  react
• 37:12
  to
• 37:12
  be
• 37:12
  like,
• 37:12
  wait
• 37:13
  a
• 37:13
  second,
• 37:13
  dude,
• 37:14
  you
• 37:14
  know,
• 37:14
  slow
• 37:15
  your
• 37:15
  roll.
• 37:15
  Your
• 37:15
  ego
• 37:16
  needs
• 37:16
  to
• 37:16
  take
• 37:16
  a
• 37:16
  back
• 37:16
  seat.
• 37:17
  It
• 37:18
  also
• 37:18
  does
• 37:18
  depend
• 37:18
  which
• 37:18
  Iron
• 37:19
  man
• 37:19
  we
• 37:19
  get.
• 37:20
  Yes.
• 37:20
  And
• 37:21
  where
• 37:21
  he's
• 37:21
  at
• 37:21
  in
• 37:22
  his
• 37:22
  evolution.
• 37:22
  Yeah.
• 37:23
  Because
• 37:23
  I'm
• 37:24
  thinking,
• 37:24
  like,
• 37:24
  if
• 37:24
  we're
• 37:24
  getting
• 37:24
  comic
• 37:25
  book
• 37:25
  Iron
• 37:25
  man,
• 37:26
  there's
• 37:26
  a
• 37:26
  good
• 37:26
  chance
• 37:26
  he
• 37:26
  comes
• 37:27
  in,
• 37:27
  here
• 37:27
  goes.
• 37:27
  You
• 37:28
  know,
• 37:28
  the
• 37:28
  simple
• 37:28
  problem
• 37:28
  is
• 37:29
  we
• 37:29
  just
• 37:29
  create
• 37:29
  drones
• 37:30
  that
• 37:30
  immediately
• 37:31
  murder
• 37:32
  people
• 37:32
  we
• 37:32
  don't
• 37:32
  like
• 37:33
  and
• 37:33
  structure
• 37:34
  an
• 37:34
  authoritarian
• 37:35
  government.
• 37:36
  And
• 37:37
  I
• 37:37
  don't
• 37:37
  think
• 37:37
  that's
• 37:37
  the
• 37:37
  answer.
• 37:38
  I
• 37:38
  think
• 37:39
  the
• 37:39
  best
• 37:39
  version,
• 37:39
  Iron
• 37:40
  man
• 37:40
  is
• 37:40
  still
• 37:41
  gonna
• 37:41
  say,
• 37:41
  we
• 37:42
  have
• 37:42
  the
• 37:42
  technology.
• 37:42
  We
• 37:43
  could
• 37:43
  create
• 37:43
  our
• 37:44
  own
• 37:44
  new
• 37:44
  city.
• 37:45
  Like,
• 37:45
  he's
• 37:45
  like,
• 37:46
  let's
• 37:46
  just
• 37:46
  screw
• 37:47
  Bloodhaven.
• 37:47
  Screw,
• 37:48
  you
• 37:48
  know,
• 37:48
  Hell's
• 37:49
  Kitchen,
• 37:49
  New
• 37:49
  York.
• 37:49
  We're
• 37:49
  gonna
• 37:50
  create
• 37:50
  our
• 37:50
  own
• 37:50
  city.
• 37:51
  I'm
• 37:51
  gonna
• 37:51
  be
• 37:52
  in
• 37:52
  charge
• 37:52
  and
• 37:52
  create
• 37:53
  everything,
• 37:54
  you
• 37:54
  know,
• 37:55
  very
• 37:55
  utilitarian.
• 37:56
  So
• 37:56
  I
• 37:56
  feel
• 37:56
  like
• 37:56
  he
• 37:56
  is
• 37:56
  like,
• 37:57
  at
• 37:57
  any
• 37:57
  means,
• 37:58
  we're
• 37:58
  going
• 37:58
  to
• 37:58
  accomplish
• 37:58
  it.
• 37:59
  And
• 38:00
  I
• 38:00
  just
• 38:00
  don't
• 38:00
  know
• 38:00
  if
• 38:00
  he
• 38:00
  can
• 38:01
  understand
• 38:01
  an
• 38:01
  open
• 38:01
  and
• 38:01
  relational
• 38:02
  God.
• 38:02
  It's
• 38:02
  like,
• 38:02
  yeah,
• 38:03
  no,
• 38:03
  it
• 38:03
  doesn't.
• 38:03
  Not
• 38:04
  any
• 38:04
  means.
• 38:05
  We're
• 38:05
  not
• 38:05
  going
• 38:06
  to
• 38:06
  do
• 38:06
  it
• 38:06
  by
• 38:06
  any
• 38:06
  means
• 38:07
  necessary.
• 38:08
  And
• 38:08
  I
• 38:08
  don't
• 38:08
  know
• 38:09
  if
• 38:09
  he's
• 38:09
  going
• 38:09
  to
• 38:09
  be
• 38:09
  completely
• 38:10
  down
• 38:10
  with
• 38:10
  some
• 38:10
  of
• 38:10
  this
• 38:10
  liberation
• 38:11
  theology
• 38:11
  where
• 38:11
  we're
• 38:11
  like,
• 38:12
  the
• 38:12
  least
• 38:12
  of
• 38:12
  these.
• 38:13
  We're
• 38:13
  going
• 38:13
  to
• 38:13
  try
• 38:13
  and
• 38:13
  build
• 38:13
  them
• 38:14
  up.
• 38:14
  I
• 38:14
  think
• 38:14
  he's
• 38:14
  like,
• 38:15
  let's
• 38:16
  just
• 38:16
  build
• 38:16
  up
• 38:16
  everybody
• 38:17
  and
• 38:17
  make
• 38:18
  everybody
• 38:18
  wealthy.
• 38:19
  And
• 38:19
  I
• 38:19
  don't
• 38:19
  know.
• 38:19
  I
• 38:20
  just
• 38:20
  don't.
• 38:20
  I
• 38:21
  don't
• 38:21
  see
• 38:21
  him
• 38:21
  fitting
• 38:21
  in
• 38:22
  really
• 38:22
  well
• 38:22
  in
• 38:22
  this
• 38:22
  conversation.
• 38:23
  I
• 38:23
  see
• 38:23
  Hellboy
• 38:24
  might
• 38:24
  want
• 38:24
  to
• 38:24
  take
• 38:24
  him
• 38:24
  out.
• 38:26
  We'll
• 38:26
  see.
• 38:28
  Jill,
• 38:28
  what's
• 38:29
  your
• 38:29
  thoughts
• 38:29
  on
• 38:29
  Iron
• 38:29
  man
• 38:29
  before
• 38:30
  you
• 38:30
  roll
• 38:31
  again?
• 38:31
  Well,
• 38:32
  I
• 38:32
  think
• 38:33
  to
• 38:33
  Will's
• 38:34
  earlier
• 38:34
  point,
• 38:34
  it's
• 38:35
  like,
• 38:35
  where
• 38:35
  are
• 38:35
  we
• 38:35
  seeing
• 38:36
  him
• 38:36
  at
• 38:36
  in
• 38:36
  his
• 38:36
  evolution?
• 38:37
  At
• 38:38
  least
• 38:38
  for
• 38:38
  mcu?
• 38:38
  Iron
• 38:39
  Man.
• 38:39
  I
• 38:39
  won't
• 38:39
  speak
• 38:39
  to
• 38:39
  comic
• 38:40
  book
• 38:40
  Iron
• 38:40
  man,
• 38:40
  but
• 38:41
  in
• 38:41
  the
• 38:42
  cinematic
• 38:42
  universe,
• 38:42
  we
• 38:43
  see
• 38:43
  him
• 38:43
  start
• 38:44
  out
• 38:44
  as
• 38:44
  this
• 38:45
  very
• 38:46
  self
• 38:46
  righteous,
• 38:47
  I
• 38:47
  am
• 38:47
  Iron
• 38:47
  man
• 38:48
  to
• 38:48
  the
• 38:49
  end,
• 38:49
  where
• 38:50
  he
• 38:50
  is
• 38:50
  this
• 38:50
  very
• 38:51
  sacrificial,
• 38:52
  I
• 38:52
  am
• 38:53
  Iron
• 38:53
  man
• 38:53
  and
• 38:53
  I
• 38:54
  will
• 38:54
  save
• 38:55
  everyone
• 38:56
  at
• 38:56
  the
• 38:56
  expense
• 38:57
  of
• 38:57
  my
• 38:57
  own
• 38:57
  life.
• 38:57
  I
• 38:58
  actually
• 38:58
  think
• 38:58
  he
• 38:58
  and
• 38:58
  Captain
• 38:59
  America
• 38:59
  have
• 38:59
  a
• 39:00
  full
• 39:00
  swap,
• 39:01
  like
• 39:02
  complete
• 39:02
  swap.
• 39:04
  And
• 39:04
  I
• 39:04
  think
• 39:05
  towards
• 39:05
  the
• 39:05
  end,
• 39:06
  we
• 39:06
  maybe
• 39:06
  would
• 39:07
  get
• 39:07
  a
• 39:07
  more
• 39:07
  liberation
• 39:08
  oriented
• 39:09
  Iron
• 39:10
  man,
• 39:10
  who's
• 39:10
  willing
• 39:11
  to
• 39:11
  be
• 39:11
  in
• 39:11
  that
• 39:11
  conversation
• 39:12
  with
• 39:12
  our
• 39:12
  other
• 39:13
  two
• 39:13
  guys
• 39:13
  about,
• 39:14
  well,
• 39:14
  what
• 39:15
  can
• 39:15
  we
• 39:15
  do?
• 39:16
  How
• 39:17
  do
• 39:17
  we
• 39:17
  all
• 39:17
  work
• 39:17
  together
• 39:18
  to
• 39:18
  bring
• 39:18
  about
• 39:19
  this
• 39:20
  better
• 39:21
  flourishing
• 39:21
  for
• 39:22
  everybody?
• 39:22
  Yeah,
• 39:23
  yeah.
• 39:24
  There's
• 39:24
  the
• 39:24
  atheist
• 39:25
  part.
• 39:25
  So
• 39:25
  I
• 39:25
  don't
• 39:25
  think
• 39:25
  he's
• 39:26
  gonna,
• 39:26
  he's
• 39:26
  not
• 39:26
  gonna
• 39:27
  click
• 39:27
  with
• 39:27
  the
• 39:27
  open
• 39:28
  and
• 39:28
  relational
• 39:28
  stuff.
• 39:29
  Liberation,
• 39:30
  easier
• 39:31
  time.
• 39:31
  Yeah,
• 39:32
  yeah.
• 39:33
  Not
• 39:33
  when
• 39:33
  you
• 39:33
  are
• 39:33
  talking
• 39:34
  about
• 39:34
  a
• 39:34
  creator,
• 39:35
  but
• 39:35
  I
• 39:35
  think
• 39:36
  he
• 39:36
  does
• 39:36
  line
• 39:37
  in
• 39:37
  with
• 39:37
  like
• 39:37
  the
• 39:38
  what
• 39:38
  do
• 39:38
  we
• 39:38
  all
• 39:39
  do
• 39:39
  together?
• 39:40
  Like
• 39:40
  to
• 39:40
  bring
• 39:40
  about
• 39:41
  the
• 39:41
  best.
• 39:42
  Yeah,
• 39:42
  Perhaps
• 39:43
  I
• 39:43
  have
• 39:44
  a
• 39:44
  very
• 39:44
  low
• 39:44
  view
• 39:44
  of
• 39:44
  Iron
• 39:44
  Man.
• 39:45
  You
• 39:45
  really
• 39:45
  don't
• 39:45
  like
• 39:45
  him,
• 39:46
  do
• 39:46
  you?
• 39:46
  He,
• 39:47
  he
• 39:47
  embodies
• 39:48
  utilitarianism,
• 39:49
  which
• 39:49
  is
• 39:49
  the
• 39:50
  thing
• 39:50
  that
• 39:50
  I
• 39:50
  think
• 39:50
  the,
• 39:51
  probably
• 39:51
  the
• 39:51
  philosophy
• 39:52
  I
• 39:52
  despise
• 39:52
  the
• 39:52
  most
• 39:53
  in.
• 39:53
  Ah,
• 39:54
  okay.
• 39:54
  Yeah.
• 39:55
  It's
• 39:55
  just,
• 39:56
  yeah.
• 39:56
  Anyway,
• 39:58
  well,
• 39:58
  of
• 39:59
  course
• 39:59
  we
• 39:59
  were
• 39:59
  going
• 39:59
  to
• 39:59
  get
• 39:59
  Iron
• 40:00
  man
• 40:00
  today.
• 40:00
  It
• 40:00
  was
• 40:00
  just
• 40:00
  too
• 40:01
  fun.
• 40:01
  Yeah,
• 40:01
  I,
• 40:01
  I,
• 40:01
  just
• 40:02
  to
• 40:02
  chime
• 40:02
  in,
• 40:02
  just
• 40:02
  to
• 40:03
  chime
• 40:03
  in
• 40:03
  a
• 40:03
  minute.
• 40:03
  Like
• 40:04
  I,
• 40:04
  I,
• 40:04
  I,
• 40:04
  I
• 40:04
  like
• 40:05
  what
• 40:05
  you
• 40:05
  said.
• 40:05
  Like
• 40:05
  there's
• 40:06
  a
• 40:06
  character.
• 40:06
  Yeah,
• 40:06
  the
• 40:07
  character
• 40:07
  arc
• 40:07
  of
• 40:08
  like
• 40:08
  learning
• 40:08
  and
• 40:09
  experiencing
• 40:09
  younger
• 40:10
  Tony
• 40:10
  Stark
• 40:11
  versus
• 40:11
  older
• 40:11
  Tony
• 40:12
  Stark.
• 40:13
  Understand
• 40:13
  his
• 40:13
  ways,
• 40:14
  what
• 40:14
  he's
• 40:14
  experienced
• 40:14
  and
• 40:14
  seen
• 40:15
  and
• 40:15
  bump
• 40:16
  it
• 40:16
  up
• 40:16
  against
• 40:16
  other
• 40:16
  heroes.
• 40:17
  If
• 40:17
  other
• 40:18
  heroes
• 40:18
  conversations
• 40:19
  affect
• 40:20
  how
• 40:20
  he
• 40:20
  sees
• 40:21
  the
• 40:21
  world,
• 40:21
  then
• 40:21
  of
• 40:21
  course
• 40:23
  talk
• 40:23
  with
• 40:23
  Captain
• 40:24
  America
• 40:24
  and
• 40:24
  Thor
• 40:24
  and
• 40:25
  Black
• 40:25
  Widow
• 40:26
  and
• 40:27
  other
• 40:28
  Reed
• 40:28
  Richards.
• 40:29
  When
• 40:29
  he's
• 40:29
  experiencing
• 40:30
  rooms
• 40:30
  where
• 40:30
  he's
• 40:31
  not
• 40:31
  the
• 40:31
  smartest
• 40:31
  person
• 40:31
  in
• 40:31
  the
• 40:32
  room,
• 40:32
  maybe
• 40:32
  he
• 40:32
  does
• 40:32
  eat
• 40:32
  a
• 40:32
  little
• 40:33
  bit
• 40:33
  of
• 40:33
  humble
• 40:33
  pie
• 40:33
  and
• 40:34
  start
• 40:34
  to
• 40:34
  see
• 40:34
  things
• 40:34
  from
• 40:35
  different
• 40:35
  perspectives.
• 40:36
  So
• 40:36
  I
• 40:36
  think,
• 40:36
  you
• 40:36
  know,
• 40:37
  our
• 40:37
  relationships
• 40:38
  do
• 40:38
  matter
• 40:38
  and,
• 40:39
  and
• 40:39
  should
• 40:39
  have
• 40:39
  an
• 40:39
  effect
• 40:40
  on
• 40:40
  us.
• 40:40
  Open
• 40:40
  relations
• 40:41
  should
• 40:41
  do
• 40:41
  that.
• 40:41
  So
• 40:42
  I
• 40:42
  think,
• 40:42
  I
• 40:42
  think
• 40:42
  there's,
• 40:43
  there
• 40:43
  is
• 40:43
  an
• 40:43
  arc
• 40:43
  where
• 40:44
  he
• 40:44
  experiences
• 40:45
  the
• 40:45
  same
• 40:45
  thing
• 40:45
  and
• 40:45
  can
• 40:46
  learn
• 40:46
  from
• 40:46
  the
• 40:47
  others
• 40:47
  who
• 40:47
  are
• 40:47
  in
• 40:47
  the
• 40:48
  room.
• 40:48
  I'll
• 40:48
  give
• 40:48
  it,
• 40:48
  I'll
• 40:49
  give
• 40:49
  that
• 40:49
  to
• 40:49
  him.
• 40:49
  There's
• 40:49
  also
• 40:49
  the
• 40:50
  possibility
• 40:51
  that
• 40:51
  he
• 40:51
  does
• 40:51
  one
• 40:52
  of
• 40:52
  his
• 40:52
  like,
• 40:52
  you
• 40:52
  know,
• 40:53
  smart
• 40:53
  ass
• 40:53
  remarks
• 40:54
  about
• 40:54
  how
• 40:54
  like
• 40:54
  there
• 40:54
  are
• 40:54
  no
• 40:55
  gods
• 40:56
  or
• 40:56
  devils
• 40:56
  or
• 40:57
  whatever.
• 40:57
  And
• 40:57
  then
• 40:57
  Hellboy
• 40:58
  just
• 40:58
  stands
• 40:58
  up
• 40:58
  and
• 40:59
  he's
• 40:59
  like,
• 41:00
  all
• 41:00
  right,
• 41:00
  let's,
• 41:00
  let's
• 41:01
  reassess
• 41:01
  this.
• 41:02
  You
• 41:02
  know,
• 41:02
  like
• 41:02
  Hellboy
• 41:03
  beat
• 41:03
  me
• 41:03
  there.
• 41:03
  Right.
• 41:03
  Really
• 41:04
  causing
• 41:04
  me
• 41:04
  to
• 41:04
  rethink
• 41:05
  some
• 41:05
  things.
• 41:06
  Right.
• 41:07
  Yeah.
• 41:07
  All
• 41:08
  right,
• 41:08
  we're
• 41:09
  almost
• 41:09
  at
• 41:09
  time,
• 41:09
  but
• 41:09
  I
• 41:10
  don't
• 41:10
  want
• 41:10
  to
• 41:10
  just
• 41:10
  do
• 41:11
  one
• 41:11
  or
• 41:11
  two
• 41:11
  rolls.
• 41:12
  So
• 41:12
  what
• 41:12
  I
• 41:12
  think
• 41:12
  we'll
• 41:13
  do
• 41:13
  is
• 41:13
  now
• 41:13
  we'll
• 41:13
  do
• 41:14
  three
• 41:14
  more
• 41:14
  rolls
• 41:15
  and
• 41:16
  whatever
• 41:16
  it
• 41:16
  lands
• 41:17
  on,
• 41:17
  one
• 41:17
  of
• 41:17
  us
• 41:18
  just
• 41:18
  takes
• 41:19
  it
• 41:19
  and
• 41:19
  the
• 41:19
  other
• 41:19
  ones
• 41:20
  aren't
• 41:20
  gonna
• 41:20
  respond
• 41:20
  this
• 41:20
  time.
• 41:21
  So
• 41:21
  we
• 41:21
  try
• 41:21
  and
• 41:21
  get
• 41:21
  through
• 41:22
  three
• 41:22
  more
• 41:22
  really
• 41:23
  quick.
• 41:24
  All
• 41:24
  right,
• 41:25
  next
• 41:26
  I'm
• 41:26
  getting
• 41:27
  eight.
• 41:28
  And
• 41:28
  number
• 41:28
  eight
• 41:29
  is
• 41:29
  going
• 41:29
  to
• 41:29
  be
• 41:30
  Deadpool.
• 41:31
  Deadpool.
• 41:32
  Any
• 41:33
  taker.
• 41:33
  I
• 41:33
  can
• 41:33
  take
• 41:33
  it
• 41:34
  if
• 41:34
  no
• 41:34
  one
• 41:34
  else
• 41:34
  wants
• 41:34
  Deadpool.
• 41:36
  Because
• 41:36
  I
• 41:37
  do
• 41:37
  think
• 41:37
  Deadpool's
• 41:38
  a
• 41:38
  fun
• 41:38
  one
• 41:38
  for
• 41:38
  this.
• 41:39
  Yeah,
• 41:40
  you
• 41:40
  take
• 41:40
  it.
• 41:40
  Go
• 41:40
  for
• 41:40
  it.
• 41:40
  I'll
• 41:41
  take
• 41:41
  it.
• 41:41
  Okay.
• 41:42
  So
• 41:43
  I
• 41:43
  think
• 41:44
  the
• 41:44
  best
• 41:44
  part
• 41:44
  of
• 41:44
  Deadpool
• 41:45
  being.
• 41:47
  Being
• 41:47
  in
• 41:47
  this
• 41:48
  is
• 41:49
  he's
• 41:49
  pulling
• 41:49
  up
• 41:50
  and
• 41:50
  they're
• 41:50
  all
• 41:50
  talking
• 41:50
  about
• 41:50
  open
• 41:50
  relational
• 41:51
  God
• 41:51
  and
• 41:51
  liberation,
• 41:52
  what
• 41:52
  we're
• 41:52
  gonna
• 41:52
  do
• 41:52
  with
• 41:52
  the
• 41:53
  city.
• 41:53
  And
• 41:53
  Deadpool's
• 41:54
  just
• 41:54
  gonna
• 41:54
  show
• 41:54
  up
• 41:54
  and
• 41:54
  be
• 41:54
  like,
• 41:55
  what
• 41:55
  do
• 41:55
  you
• 41:55
  mean?
• 41:56
  Stan
• 41:56
  Lee
• 41:56
  didn't
• 41:57
  write
• 41:57
  it
• 41:57
  like
• 41:57
  that.
• 41:58
  He's
• 41:59
  just
• 41:59
  gonna
• 41:59
  straight
• 41:59
  up
• 41:59
  talk
• 42:00
  about
• 42:00
  the
• 42:00
  comic
• 42:00
  book
• 42:01
  writers.
• 42:01
  It'd
• 42:01
  be
• 42:01
  like,
• 42:02
  we
• 42:02
  don't
• 42:03
  really
• 42:03
  impact
• 42:03
  them.
• 42:04
  They
• 42:04
  just
• 42:04
  write
• 42:04
  our
• 42:04
  story.
• 42:05
  That's
• 42:05
  all
• 42:05
  it
• 42:05
  is.
• 42:06
  And
• 42:06
  he's
• 42:07
  gone
• 42:07
  on
• 42:07
  this
• 42:07
  whole
• 42:08
  story
• 42:08
  arcs
• 42:08
  of,
• 42:08
  like,
• 42:09
  Killustrated,
• 42:09
  where
• 42:09
  he's,
• 42:09
  like,
• 42:10
  trying
• 42:10
  to
• 42:10
  kill
• 42:11
  the
• 42:11
  original
• 42:11
  inspiration
• 42:12
  for
• 42:12
  the
• 42:12
  characters
• 42:12
  to
• 42:13
  see
• 42:13
  if
• 42:13
  he
• 42:13
  can
• 42:13
  prevent
• 42:13
  the
• 42:13
  characters
• 42:14
  from
• 42:14
  ever
• 42:14
  being
• 42:14
  written
• 42:14
  in
• 42:14
  Marvel
• 42:15
  Comics,
• 42:15
  right?
• 42:16
  And
• 42:16
  he's
• 42:16
  like,
• 42:16
  there's
• 42:17
  just.
• 42:17
  There's
• 42:17
  no
• 42:17
  way
• 42:18
  out
• 42:18
  of
• 42:18
  this.
• 42:18
  Like,
• 42:19
  our
• 42:19
  characters
• 42:19
  are
• 42:19
  just
• 42:20
  going
• 42:20
  to
• 42:20
  exist.
• 42:21
  You're
• 42:21
  going
• 42:22
  to
• 42:22
  be
• 42:22
  Hellboy.
• 42:23
  He's
• 42:23
  going
• 42:23
  to
• 42:23
  be
• 42:23
  Iron
• 42:24
  Man.
• 42:24
  Like,
• 42:24
  some
• 42:24
  of
• 42:25
  it,
• 42:25
  I
• 42:25
  think
• 42:25
  he
• 42:25
  has
• 42:25
  that,
• 42:25
  but
• 42:26
  then
• 42:26
  I
• 42:26
  think
• 42:26
  some
• 42:26
  of
• 42:26
  it,
• 42:26
  he's
• 42:26
  just
• 42:27
  gonna
• 42:27
  have
• 42:27
  fun
• 42:27
  with
• 42:27
  it.
• 42:27
  He's
• 42:27
  like,
• 42:28
  you
• 42:28
  know,
• 42:28
  we
• 42:28
  gotta
• 42:28
  make
• 42:29
  it
• 42:29
  interesting
• 42:29
  if
• 42:30
  you
• 42:30
  want
• 42:30
  it
• 42:30
  to
• 42:30
  work,
• 42:30
  it's
• 42:31
  gotta
• 42:31
  be
• 42:31
  interesting.
• 42:32
  So
• 42:32
  I
• 42:33
  think
• 42:33
  he'll
• 42:34
  probably
• 42:34
  still
• 42:35
  play
• 42:35
  along
• 42:35
  with
• 42:35
  their
• 42:35
  whole,
• 42:36
  like,
• 42:36
  we're
• 42:36
  gonna
• 42:36
  redesign
• 42:36
  a
• 42:37
  new
• 42:37
  city,
• 42:38
  but
• 42:38
  he's
• 42:38
  going
• 42:38
  through
• 42:39
  a
• 42:39
  huge
• 42:40
  wrench
• 42:40
  into
• 42:40
  this
• 42:40
  conversation,
• 42:41
  breaking
• 42:41
  that
• 42:42
  meta
• 42:42
  narrative.
• 42:42
  And
• 42:43
  he's
• 42:43
  actually
• 42:43
  like,
• 42:44
  y',
• 42:44
  all,
• 42:44
  this
• 42:44
  conversation
• 42:45
  isn't
• 42:45
  happening.
• 42:45
  It's
• 42:46
  just
• 42:46
  some
• 42:46
  podcasters
• 42:47
  talking,
• 42:48
  like,
• 42:49
  let's
• 42:49
  just
• 42:49
  say
• 42:49
  some
• 42:50
  random
• 42:50
  stuff
• 42:50
  and
• 42:50
  see
• 42:50
  if
• 42:50
  we
• 42:51
  can
• 42:51
  get
• 42:51
  the
• 42:51
  podcast
• 42:51
  canceled.
• 42:53
  That
• 42:53
  might
• 42:53
  be
• 42:53
  where
• 42:53
  he's
• 42:54
  at.
• 42:54
  Yeah.
• 42:55
  So
• 42:55
  that's
• 42:55
  a.
• 42:56
  I
• 42:56
  don't
• 42:56
  know.
• 42:56
  That's
• 42:56
  a
• 42:56
  fun
• 42:56
  one.
• 42:57
  All
• 42:57
  right,
• 42:57
  we're
• 42:58
  gonna
• 42:58
  roll
• 42:58
  again
• 42:59
  and
• 43:00
  see
• 43:01
  who
• 43:01
  we
• 43:02
  get.
• 43:05
  All
• 43:05
  right,
• 43:06
  I'm
• 43:06
  getting
• 43:07
  number
• 43:07
  two.
• 43:08
  I
• 43:08
  don't
• 43:08
  know
• 43:08
  who
• 43:08
  it
• 43:09
  is,
• 43:09
  but
• 43:09
  I
• 43:09
  know
• 43:09
  it's
• 43:09
  Marvel.
• 43:10
  Luke
• 43:10
  Cage.
• 43:11
  Who
• 43:11
  wants
• 43:11
  to
• 43:12
  take
• 43:12
  Luke
• 43:12
  Cage?
• 44:10
  Okay,
• 44:11
  I'll
• 44:11
  take
• 44:11
  this
• 44:11
  one.
• 44:12
  All
• 44:12
  right.
• 44:13
  If
• 44:14
  that's
• 44:14
  okay.
• 44:14
  Well,
• 44:17
  so,
• 44:18
  man,
• 44:18
  I
• 44:18
  just
• 44:19
  love.
• 44:19
  I
• 44:19
  love
• 44:20
  Luke
• 44:20
  Cage's
• 44:20
  origin
• 44:21
  story,
• 44:21
  right?
• 44:21
  He
• 44:22
  is
• 44:22
  a
• 44:22
  wrongly
• 44:23
  convicted
• 44:24
  African
• 44:24
  American
• 44:25
  man
• 44:25
  in
• 44:26
  America,
• 44:26
  right?
• 44:27
  If
• 44:27
  there
• 44:27
  was
• 44:28
  ever
• 44:28
  someone
• 44:29
  that
• 44:29
  needed
• 44:30
  a
• 44:31
  liberation
• 44:31
  theology,
• 44:32
  if
• 44:32
  there
• 44:32
  was
• 44:32
  ever
• 44:33
  somebody
• 44:33
  who
• 44:34
  needed
• 44:34
  to
• 44:34
  connect
• 44:35
  with
• 44:35
  a
• 44:35
  God
• 44:36
  who
• 44:36
  organized
• 44:36
  himself
• 44:37
  in
• 44:37
  such
• 44:37
  a
• 44:37
  way
• 44:38
  to
• 44:38
  create
• 44:38
  a
• 44:39
  religion
• 44:39
  for
• 44:40
  the
• 44:40
  oppressed.
• 44:41
  For
• 44:41
  people
• 44:41
  with
• 44:41
  their
• 44:41
  backs
• 44:42
  up
• 44:42
  against
• 44:42
  the
• 44:42
  wall,
• 44:43
  it's
• 44:43
  going
• 44:43
  to
• 44:43
  be
• 44:43
  Luke
• 44:43
  Cage.
• 44:44
  I
• 44:44
  think
• 44:45
  this
• 44:45
  is
• 44:45
  an
• 44:45
  easy
• 44:46
  thing
• 44:46
  for
• 44:46
  him.
• 44:46
  I
• 44:47
  will
• 44:47
  say
• 44:47
  sometimes
• 44:48
  it's
• 44:48
  difficult
• 44:49
  for
• 44:51
  African
• 44:51
  Americans
• 44:52
  who
• 44:52
  were
• 44:52
  raised
• 44:53
  in
• 44:53
  traditional
• 44:54
  churches
• 44:55
  to
• 44:55
  kind
• 44:56
  of
• 44:56
  get
• 44:56
  to
• 44:57
  that
• 44:57
  lens
• 44:57
  of
• 44:58
  a
• 44:58
  liberation
• 44:58
  theology,
• 44:59
  because
• 44:59
  we've
• 44:59
  often
• 45:00
  been
• 45:00
  taught
• 45:00
  from
• 45:01
  a
• 45:01
  very
• 45:02
  conservative,
• 45:04
  like,
• 45:05
  Dallas
• 45:05
  seminary
• 45:06
  type
• 45:07
  of
• 45:08
  Christianity
• 45:09
  that
• 45:09
  doesn't
• 45:10
  lend
• 45:10
  itself
• 45:10
  to
• 45:10
  that.
• 45:11
  So
• 45:11
  I
• 45:11
  think
• 45:11
  he
• 45:11
  might
• 45:11
  need
• 45:12
  some
• 45:12
  encouragement,
• 45:13
  some.
• 45:14
  Some
• 45:14
  goading
• 45:15
  into
• 45:15
  this
• 45:16
  conversation
• 45:16
  by
• 45:16
  someone
• 45:17
  else
• 45:17
  who's
• 45:17
  like,
• 45:17
  hey,
• 45:18
  look
• 45:18
  at
• 45:18
  it
• 45:18
  this
• 45:18
  way.
• 45:18
  And
• 45:19
  then
• 45:19
  I
• 45:19
  think
• 45:19
  it's
• 45:19
  going
• 45:19
  to
• 45:19
  be
• 45:19
  real
• 45:20
  easy
• 45:20
  for
• 45:20
  him
• 45:20
  to
• 45:21
  pick
• 45:21
  up
• 45:21
  on
• 45:21
  it.
• 45:21
  And.
• 45:22
  And,
• 45:22
  yeah,
• 45:22
  he's
• 45:22
  a
• 45:22
  liberation
• 45:23
  theologist,
• 45:24
  for
• 45:24
  sure.
• 45:25
  Yeah,
• 45:25
  I
• 45:25
  like
• 45:26
  it.
• 45:26
  I'm
• 45:26
  going
• 45:27
  to
• 45:27
  cheat
• 45:27
  for
• 45:27
  a
• 45:27
  second
• 45:27
  because
• 45:27
  I
• 45:27
  know
• 45:28
  we
• 45:28
  said
• 45:28
  we
• 45:28
  weren't
• 45:28
  going
• 45:28
  to
• 45:28
  respond,
• 45:29
  but
• 45:29
  because
• 45:30
  this
• 45:30
  podcast
• 45:31
  was
• 45:31
  originally
• 45:31
  we
• 45:32
  were
• 45:32
  going
• 45:32
  to
• 45:32
  have
• 45:32
  Jill
• 45:32
  on
• 45:33
  and
• 45:33
  talk
• 45:33
  about
• 45:34
  Hellboy,
• 45:34
  or
• 45:35
  sorry,
• 45:35
  not
• 45:35
  Hellboy,
• 45:36
  Daredevil,
• 45:37
  Devil's
• 45:37
  Reign,
• 45:37
  the
• 45:37
  Marvel
• 45:38
  comic
• 45:38
  event
• 45:39
  in
• 45:39
  that
• 45:39
  you
• 45:40
  do
• 45:40
  have,
• 45:40
  where
• 45:40
  Tony
• 45:40
  Stark
• 45:41
  tried
• 45:41
  to
• 45:41
  become
• 45:42
  mayor,
• 45:42
  because
• 45:43
  he's
• 45:43
  like,
• 45:43
  that's
• 45:43
  the
• 45:43
  best
• 45:44
  way
• 45:44
  to
• 45:44
  combat
• 45:44
  this.
• 45:44
  And
• 45:45
  Luke
• 45:45
  Cage
• 45:45
  go,
• 45:46
  no,
• 45:47
  not
• 45:47
  another
• 45:48
  white
• 45:48
  man
• 45:48
  in
• 45:48
  charge,
• 45:49
  because,
• 45:49
  you
• 45:50
  know,
• 45:50
  Iron
• 45:50
  Man's
• 45:51
  the
• 45:51
  bad
• 45:51
  guy,
• 45:51
  and
• 45:51
  Luke
• 45:51
  Cage
• 45:52
  knows
• 45:52
  that.
• 45:52
  Okay.
• 45:52
  Anyway,
• 45:55
  all
• 45:55
  right,
• 45:55
  we're
• 45:55
  going
• 45:55
  to
• 45:55
  roll
• 45:56
  again
• 45:56
  and
• 45:56
  we'll.
• 45:56
  You
• 45:57
  have
• 45:57
  to
• 45:57
  take
• 45:57
  whoever
• 45:57
  it
• 45:58
  is,
• 45:58
  or
• 45:59
  we'll
• 45:59
  reroll
• 45:59
  if
• 46:00
  it's
• 46:00
  someone
• 46:00
  you
• 46:01
  can't
• 46:01
  do.
• 46:01
  Uh.
• 46:02
  Oh,
• 46:02
  we
• 46:02
  got
• 46:02
  number
• 46:03
  10
• 46:03
  vest
• 46:03
  from
• 46:03
  Invisible
• 46:04
  Kingdom.
• 46:04
  You
• 46:04
  want
• 46:04
  me
• 46:04
  to
• 46:04
  reroll?
• 46:05
  Okay.
• 46:06
  All
• 46:06
  right,
• 46:06
  reroll.
• 46:07
  Okay,
• 46:07
  let's
• 46:08
  see.
• 46:08
  We
• 46:09
  got
• 46:09
  number
• 46:10
  nine.
• 46:10
  Ah,
• 46:11
  Magneto.
• 46:12
  That's
• 46:12
  a
• 46:12
  perfect
• 46:12
  one
• 46:13
  for
• 46:13
  Will.
• 46:14
  Good
• 46:14
  one.
• 46:16
  What?
• 46:16
  Yes.
• 46:18
  Yeah,
• 46:18
  we
• 46:18
  talked
• 46:19
  about
• 46:19
  Magneto
• 46:19
  a
• 46:20
  little
• 46:20
  bit
• 46:20
  in
• 46:20
  our
• 46:20
  pregame
• 46:21
  on
• 46:21
  YouTube,
• 46:21
  if
• 46:21
  you
• 46:21
  would
• 46:21
  go
• 46:21
  check
• 46:22
  that
• 46:22
  out.
• 46:22
  But,
• 46:23
  yeah,
• 46:23
  you
• 46:23
  have.
• 46:25
  I
• 46:25
  think
• 46:26
  in
• 46:26
  the
• 46:26
  comics,
• 46:27
  he
• 46:27
  started
• 46:27
  off
• 46:27
  as.
• 46:28
  As
• 46:28
  the
• 46:28
  villain
• 46:29
  who
• 46:29
  wanted
• 46:29
  to
• 46:29
  see
• 46:31
  mutants
• 46:32
  take
• 46:32
  over
• 46:32
  the
• 46:32
  human
• 46:32
  race.
• 46:33
  And
• 46:33
  so
• 46:33
  it
• 46:33
  was
• 46:33
  the
• 46:33
  X
• 46:33
  Men
• 46:34
  who
• 46:34
  had
• 46:34
  to
• 46:34
  stop
• 46:34
  Magneto
• 46:36
  from,
• 46:37
  you
• 46:38
  know,
• 46:38
  really
• 46:38
  pushing
• 46:39
  his
• 46:39
  mutant
• 46:40
  agenda
• 46:40
  on
• 46:40
  everybody
• 46:41
  else
• 46:41
  in
• 46:42
  the
• 46:42
  world.
• 46:42
  And
• 46:42
  so
• 46:42
  Charles
• 46:43
  Xavier
• 46:43
  was
• 46:43
  a
• 46:43
  hero.
• 46:44
  But
• 46:44
  over
• 46:44
  the
• 46:45
  years,
• 46:45
  I
• 46:45
  think
• 46:46
  they've.
• 46:47
  We've
• 46:47
  learned
• 46:47
  that
• 46:48
  Charles
• 46:48
  Xavier
• 46:49
  and
• 46:49
  Magneto
• 46:51
  have
• 46:51
  become
• 46:52
  kind
• 46:52
  of
• 46:53
  friends,
• 46:53
  and
• 46:53
  they
• 46:54
  often
• 46:54
  have
• 46:54
  been
• 46:55
  portrayed
• 46:55
  or
• 46:55
  seen
• 46:55
  as
• 46:56
  kind
• 46:56
  of,
• 46:57
  you
• 46:57
  know,
• 46:58
  the
• 46:58
  Martin
• 46:58
  Luther
• 46:59
  King
• 46:59
  Jr.
• 46:59
  And
• 46:59
  the
• 46:59
  Malcolm
• 47:00
  X
• 47:00
  coming
• 47:00
  together.
• 47:01
  And
• 47:02
  how
• 47:02
  do
• 47:02
  we
• 47:03
  speak
• 47:03
  to
• 47:04
  liberation,
• 47:05
  to
• 47:05
  this
• 47:06
  idea
• 47:07
  and
• 47:07
  the
• 47:07
  systems
• 47:08
  of
• 47:08
  racism?
• 47:09
  You
• 47:10
  know,
• 47:10
  X
• 47:10
  Men
• 47:10
  were
• 47:10
  created
• 47:10
  in
• 47:10
  the
• 47:11
  60s,
• 47:11
  and
• 47:11
  so
• 47:11
  we
• 47:11
  had
• 47:12
  the
• 47:12
  civil
• 47:12
  rights
• 47:12
  movement
• 47:12
  in
• 47:12
  the
• 47:13
  60s,
• 47:13
  so
• 47:13
  they
• 47:13
  emerge
• 47:13
  out
• 47:13
  of
• 47:14
  that
• 47:14
  often.
• 47:15
  Now,
• 47:15
  X
• 47:15
  Men
• 47:15
  are
• 47:16
  kind
• 47:16
  of
• 47:16
  leaning
• 47:16
  into
• 47:17
  kind
• 47:17
  of
• 47:17
  the
• 47:17
  queer
• 47:17
  community
• 47:17
  and
• 47:18
  what
• 47:18
  that
• 47:18
  looks
• 47:18
  like
• 47:18
  to
• 47:18
  be
• 47:19
  a
• 47:19
  mutant,
• 47:19
  to
• 47:19
  be
• 47:19
  different.
• 47:20
  But
• 47:21
  Magneto
• 47:21
  has
• 47:21
  become
• 47:22
  more
• 47:22
  of
• 47:22
  a
• 47:22
  leader
• 47:23
  and
• 47:23
  a
• 47:24
  part
• 47:24
  of
• 47:24
  the
• 47:24
  X
• 47:24
  Men
• 47:24
  rather
• 47:25
  than
• 47:25
  their
• 47:25
  arch
• 47:25
  villain.
• 47:26
  Now,
• 47:26
  he
• 47:26
  could
• 47:26
  always
• 47:26
  turn
• 47:26
  bad.
• 47:27
  He
• 47:27
  could
• 47:27
  turn
• 47:27
  heel,
• 47:27
  just
• 47:28
  like
• 47:28
  a
• 47:28
  good
• 47:28
  wrestling
• 47:30
  supermatch
• 47:31
  or
• 47:31
  whatever.
• 47:32
  Oh,
• 47:32
  he's
• 47:32
  a
• 47:32
  good
• 47:32
  guy.
• 47:33
  Could
• 47:33
  he
• 47:33
  turn
• 47:33
  bad
• 47:33
  guy
• 47:34
  at
• 47:34
  any
• 47:34
  minute?
• 47:34
  I
• 47:34
  think
• 47:35
  Charles
• 47:35
  Xavier
• 47:35
  has.
• 47:36
  Has
• 47:36
  been
• 47:36
  seen
• 47:36
  as
• 47:37
  the
• 47:37
  same.
• 47:37
  But
• 47:37
  I
• 47:38
  think
• 47:38
  as
• 47:38
  you
• 47:38
  look
• 47:38
  at
• 47:38
  him
• 47:39
  and
• 47:39
  his
• 47:39
  background,
• 47:40
  his
• 47:41
  family,
• 47:42
  cultural
• 47:42
  significance,
• 47:43
  being
• 47:43
  someone
• 47:44
  who's
• 47:44
  Jewish,
• 47:45
  and
• 47:46
  family
• 47:46
  experiencing
• 47:48
  the
• 47:48
  Holocaust
• 47:49
  and
• 47:49
  what
• 47:49
  that
• 47:49
  means,
• 47:50
  he's
• 47:50
  seen
• 47:50
  what
• 47:50
  oppression
• 47:51
  at
• 47:51
  its
• 47:51
  most
• 47:52
  horrible
• 47:52
  state,
• 47:52
  what
• 47:53
  the
• 47:53
  worst
• 47:53
  things
• 47:53
  humans
• 47:54
  could
• 47:54
  do
• 47:54
  to
• 47:55
  other
• 47:55
  human
• 47:55
  beings.
• 47:56
  And
• 47:56
  he's
• 47:56
  going
• 47:57
  to,
• 47:57
  like,
• 47:57
  stop
• 47:57
  that
• 47:57
  by
• 47:58
  any
• 47:58
  means.
• 47:58
  So
• 47:58
  I
• 47:58
  think
• 47:58
  he's.
• 47:59
  He's
• 47:59
  very
• 48:00
  open
• 48:00
  to
• 48:00
  liberation
• 48:01
  theology
• 48:02
  and
• 48:02
  philosophy,
• 48:03
  but.
• 48:03
  But
• 48:04
  also
• 48:04
  when
• 48:05
  it
• 48:05
  comes
• 48:05
  to
• 48:05
  other
• 48:05
  people
• 48:05
  and
• 48:06
  other
• 48:06
  ideas,
• 48:06
  is
• 48:07
  it.
• 48:07
  Can
• 48:07
  it
• 48:07
  be
• 48:08
  stubborn
• 48:08
  and
• 48:08
  only
• 48:08
  go
• 48:09
  look
• 48:09
  at
• 48:09
  one
• 48:09
  way?
• 48:09
  Can.
• 48:10
  Can
• 48:10
  you
• 48:10
  work
• 48:10
  with
• 48:10
  others?
• 48:11
  Can
• 48:11
  you
• 48:11
  work
• 48:11
  as
• 48:11
  a
• 48:11
  team?
• 48:12
  He
• 48:12
  has
• 48:12
  his
• 48:13
  brotherhood,
• 48:14
  quote
• 48:14
  unquote,
• 48:14
  of
• 48:14
  evil
• 48:15
  mutants,
• 48:16
  but
• 48:16
  he's
• 48:16
  also
• 48:16
  been
• 48:16
  a
• 48:17
  part
• 48:17
  of
• 48:17
  the
• 48:17
  X
• 48:17
  Men,
• 48:17
  and
• 48:18
  right
• 48:18
  now
• 48:18
  in
• 48:18
  the
• 48:18
  current
• 48:18
  day
• 48:19
  comics,
• 48:19
  he's
• 48:19
  more
• 48:20
  of
• 48:20
  a
• 48:20
  leader.
• 48:21
  Charles
• 48:21
  Xavier
• 48:22
  is
• 48:22
  off
• 48:22
  the
• 48:22
  board,
• 48:23
  no
• 48:24
  longer
• 48:24
  a
• 48:24
  part
• 48:25
  of
• 48:25
  that.
• 48:25
  But
• 48:25
  Magneto's
• 48:26
  kind
• 48:27
  of
• 48:27
  an
• 48:27
  elder
• 48:27
  statesman
• 48:28
  when
• 48:28
  it
• 48:28
  comes
• 48:28
  to
• 48:29
  X
• 48:29
  Men
• 48:29
  and
• 48:29
  mutants
• 48:30
  and
• 48:30
  what
• 48:30
  that
• 48:31
  looks
• 48:31
  like
• 48:31
  to
• 48:31
  live
• 48:31
  as
• 48:31
  a
• 48:31
  mutant
• 48:32
  in
• 48:32
  a
• 48:32
  world
• 48:33
  that
• 48:33
  looks
• 48:33
  at
• 48:33
  them
• 48:34
  as
• 48:34
  less
• 48:35
  than
• 48:35
  or
• 48:35
  less
• 48:36
  than
• 48:36
  human.
• 48:36
  So,
• 48:37
  yeah,
• 48:38
  he's
• 48:38
  a
• 48:38
  good
• 48:38
  one.
• 48:39
  He's
• 48:39
  a
• 48:39
  really
• 48:39
  good
• 48:39
  one
• 48:39
  who
• 48:40
  can
• 48:40
  add
• 48:41
  a
• 48:41
  lot
• 48:41
  to
• 48:41
  the
• 48:41
  conversation,
• 48:42
  but
• 48:42
  also
• 48:42
  a
• 48:43
  strong
• 48:43
  personality.
• 48:44
  So
• 48:44
  when
• 48:44
  he
• 48:44
  gets
• 48:44
  it,
• 48:44
  when
• 48:45
  he
• 48:45
  walks
• 48:45
  into
• 48:45
  the
• 48:45
  room,
• 48:45
  you're
• 48:46
  like,
• 48:46
  oh,
• 48:46
  crap,
• 48:46
  should
• 48:46
  I
• 48:47
  be
• 48:47
  scared?
• 48:47
  Should
• 48:47
  I
• 48:47
  be
• 48:47
  happy?
• 48:48
  Do
• 48:48
  I
• 48:48
  feel
• 48:48
  safe?
• 48:49
  It
• 48:49
  depends.
• 48:50
  Oh,
• 48:51
  man.
• 48:51
  Absolutely.
• 48:52
  Okay.
• 48:52
  You
• 48:53
  cheated
• 48:53
  Josh,
• 48:53
  so
• 48:53
  I'm
• 48:54
  gonna
• 48:54
  cheat
• 48:54
  you.
• 48:54
  Yes.
• 48:56
  Just
• 48:56
  add
• 48:56
  a
• 48:56
  leather
• 48:56
  piece.
• 48:58
  Yeah,
• 48:58
  yeah.
• 49:01
  First
• 49:01
  of
• 49:01
  all,
• 49:01
  love
• 49:01
  that
• 49:02
  will.
• 49:02
  Every.
• 49:02
  Every
• 49:03
  bit
• 49:03
  of
• 49:03
  it.
• 49:03
  Yes,
• 49:03
  I
• 49:04
  agree
• 49:04
  wholeheartedly.
• 49:07
  I
• 49:07
  think
• 49:07
  the
• 49:07
  thing
• 49:08
  is,
• 49:08
  when
• 49:09
  we
• 49:09
  say
• 49:09
  that
• 49:11
  Charles
• 49:11
  Xavier
• 49:12
  is
• 49:12
  Martin
• 49:13
  Luther
• 49:13
  King
• 49:13
  and
• 49:13
  Magneto
• 49:14
  is
• 49:14
  Malcolm
• 49:15
  X,
• 49:15
  Yes,
• 49:16
  I
• 49:16
  believe
• 49:16
  that
• 49:16
  was
• 49:16
  the
• 49:17
  original
• 49:17
  vision
• 49:18
  for
• 49:18
  them.
• 49:18
  But
• 49:19
  I
• 49:19
  think
• 49:19
  there's
• 49:19
  a
• 49:19
  little
• 49:19
  bit
• 49:19
  of
• 49:19
  misunderstanding
• 49:20
  of
• 49:20
  Malcolm
• 49:21
  X
• 49:21
  there,
• 49:21
  because
• 49:22
  Malcolm
• 49:22
  X
• 49:23
  wasn't
• 49:23
  looking
• 49:23
  for
• 49:23
  revenge.
• 49:24
  He
• 49:25
  actually
• 49:25
  was
• 49:25
  looking
• 49:26
  for
• 49:26
  equality,
• 49:27
  just
• 49:27
  by
• 49:27
  a
• 49:27
  very
• 49:28
  different
• 49:28
  means
• 49:29
  than
• 49:30
  Martin
• 49:30
  Luther
• 49:31
  King
• 49:31
  was.
• 49:31
  And
• 49:32
  probably
• 49:33
  just
• 49:33
  separation.
• 49:34
  Right.
• 49:34
  Like,
• 49:34
  I
• 49:34
  just
• 49:34
  would
• 49:35
  like
• 49:35
  to
• 49:35
  get
• 49:35
  your
• 49:35
  foot
• 49:35
  off
• 49:36
  of
• 49:36
  my
• 49:36
  neck,
• 49:36
  but
• 49:37
  I
• 49:37
  don't
• 49:37
  want
• 49:37
  to,
• 49:37
  you
• 49:38
  know,
• 49:38
  take
• 49:38
  over
• 49:39
  your
• 49:39
  place.
• 49:39
  I
• 49:39
  don't
• 49:40
  want
• 49:40
  to
• 49:40
  become
• 49:40
  the
• 49:40
  oppressor
• 49:41
  I
• 49:41
  just
• 49:41
  want
• 49:41
  to.
• 49:42
  Liberation
• 49:43
  from
• 49:43
  the
• 49:43
  oppression.
• 49:44
  Yeah,
• 49:45
  yeah.
• 49:45
  That's
• 49:45
  all,
• 49:46
  man.
• 49:46
  Man,
• 49:47
  that's
• 49:47
  a.
• 49:48
  I
• 49:48
  love
• 49:48
  that
• 49:49
  we
• 49:49
  got
• 49:49
  Magneto
• 49:49
  in
• 49:49
  there.
• 49:50
  I
• 49:50
  was
• 49:50
  really
• 49:50
  hoping
• 49:50
  we
• 49:50
  could
• 49:51
  come
• 49:51
  in.
• 49:52
  Can
• 49:52
  I
• 49:52
  add
• 49:52
  one
• 49:53
  more
• 49:53
  thing?
• 49:53
  Yeah.
• 49:53
  I
• 49:53
  think
• 49:54
  James
• 49:54
  cone
• 49:55
  really
• 49:55
  helped
• 49:56
  in
• 49:56
  terms
• 49:56
  of
• 49:57
  black
• 49:57
  theology,
• 49:57
  liberal
• 49:58
  theology.
• 49:59
  Found
• 50:00
  a
• 50:00
  way
• 50:01
  to
• 50:01
  bring
• 50:01
  sometimes
• 50:01
  there
• 50:02
  was
• 50:02
  this
• 50:02
  either
• 50:02
  or
• 50:02
  binary
• 50:03
  with.
• 50:03
  You're
• 50:03
  either
• 50:03
  on
• 50:04
  MLK's
• 50:04
  team
• 50:05
  or
• 50:05
  Malcolm
• 50:05
  X's
• 50:06
  team.
• 50:06
  Which
• 50:06
  one?
• 50:06
  And
• 50:07
  he's
• 50:07
  like,
• 50:07
  no,
• 50:07
  let's.
• 50:07
  Let's
• 50:08
  listen
• 50:08
  to
• 50:08
  both
• 50:08
  voices
• 50:09
  and
• 50:09
  see
• 50:09
  how
• 50:09
  they
• 50:09
  come
• 50:09
  together.
• 50:10
  So
• 50:10
  he
• 50:10
  was
• 50:11
  a
• 50:11
  resource
• 50:11
  and
• 50:11
  I
• 50:11
  think
• 50:11
  a
• 50:12
  resource
• 50:12
  member
• 50:12
  thinking
• 50:12
  about
• 50:13
  these
• 50:13
  things.
• 50:13
  Liberation
• 50:14
  theology,
• 50:14
  black
• 50:14
  theology.
• 50:15
  A
• 50:16
  good
• 50:16
  resource
• 50:16
  to
• 50:17
  think
• 50:17
  through
• 50:18
  those
• 50:18
  things
• 50:18
  too.
• 50:18
  And
• 50:18
  again,
• 50:19
  even
• 50:19
  Malcolm
• 50:19
  X
• 50:20
  and
• 50:20
  Martin
• 50:20
  Luther
• 50:20
  King
• 50:20
  Jr.
• 50:21
  Had
• 50:21
  a
• 50:21
  character
• 50:21
  arc.
• 50:21
  And
• 50:22
  you
• 50:22
  talk
• 50:22
  about
• 50:22
  young,
• 50:23
  young
• 50:23
  Malcolm
• 50:24
  X,
• 50:24
  older
• 50:24
  Malcolm
• 50:25
  X,
• 50:25
  when
• 50:25
  he
• 50:25
  went,
• 50:25
  when
• 50:26
  he
• 50:26
  went
• 50:26
  on
• 50:26
  his
• 50:26
  pilgrimage
• 50:27
  and
• 50:27
  how
• 50:27
  he
• 50:27
  saw
• 50:27
  the
• 50:27
  world
• 50:28
  versus
• 50:28
  younger.
• 50:28
  So
• 50:28
  I
• 50:28
  think,
• 50:29
  think
• 50:29
  we
• 50:29
  need
• 50:29
  to
• 50:29
  look
• 50:30
  at
• 50:30
  that
• 50:30
  in
• 50:30
  these
• 50:30
  characters.
• 50:31
  Young
• 50:31
  character,
• 50:32
  hero,
• 50:33
  older
• 50:33
  character,
• 50:34
  my
• 50:34
  own
• 50:34
  character,
• 50:34
  20
• 50:35
  year
• 50:35
  old
• 50:35
  will
• 50:35
  versus
• 50:36
  50
• 50:36
  year
• 50:36
  old
• 50:36
  will.
• 50:36
  All
• 50:37
  that
• 50:37
  stuff
• 50:37
  comes
• 50:38
  into
• 50:38
  play
• 50:38
  when
• 50:38
  you
• 50:38
  look
• 50:38
  at
• 50:38
  these
• 50:39
  characters
• 50:39
  and
• 50:40
  their
• 50:40
  content.
• 50:41
  And
• 50:41
  unfortunately,
• 50:42
  we
• 50:42
  don't
• 50:42
  get
• 50:43
  old
• 50:43
  Malcolm
• 50:44
  X
• 50:44
  or
• 50:45
  old
• 50:45
  Martin
• 50:46
  Luther
• 50:46
  King.
• 50:46
  I
• 50:47
  mean,
• 50:47
  we
• 50:47
  have
• 50:47
  older,
• 50:48
  but
• 50:48
  they
• 50:48
  were
• 50:48
  both
• 50:49
  murdered
• 50:50
  in
• 50:50
  their
• 50:50
  prime.
• 50:51
  And
• 50:51
  who
• 50:51
  knows
• 50:51
  where
• 50:51
  they
• 50:52
  would
• 50:52
  have
• 50:52
  gotten
• 50:53
  had
• 50:53
  they
• 50:53
  had
• 50:53
  the
• 50:54
  privilege
• 50:54
  of
• 50:54
  living
• 50:54
  to
• 50:54
  be
• 50:55
  old
• 50:55
  men.
• 50:55
  Yeah.
• 50:56
  Yeah,
• 50:56
  man.
• 50:58
  Yeah.
• 50:58
  Well,
• 50:59
  so
• 50:59
  we
• 50:59
  did
• 50:59
  it
• 50:59
  with
• 50:59
  comic
• 51:00
  book
• 51:00
  characters
• 51:00
  here
• 51:00
  and
• 51:00
  we
• 51:01
  kind
• 51:01
  of
• 51:01
  pulled
• 51:01
  in
• 51:01
  even
• 51:02
  some
• 51:02
  real
• 51:02
  life
• 51:02
  people,
• 51:03
  John
• 51:03
  cone,
• 51:03
  and
• 51:03
  we
• 51:04
  had,
• 51:04
  you
• 51:04
  know,
• 51:04
  Malcolm
• 51:04
  X
• 51:05
  and
• 51:05
  Martin
• 51:06
  Luther
• 51:06
  King
• 51:06
  Jr.
• 51:08
  What
• 51:08
  is
• 51:08
  the
• 51:08
  benefit
• 51:09
  of
• 51:09
  an
• 51:09
  exercise
• 51:10
  like
• 51:10
  this?
• 51:10
  You
• 51:10
  know
• 51:10
  what
• 51:11
  I
• 51:11
  mean?
• 51:11
  Like.
• 51:11
  Like
• 51:11
  not
• 51:11
  just
• 51:12
  of
• 51:13
  specifically
• 51:13
  the
• 51:13
  theologies
• 51:14
  we're
• 51:14
  talking
• 51:14
  about
• 51:14
  today,
• 51:14
  but
• 51:15
  like
• 51:15
  anything
• 51:15
  that
• 51:15
  we
• 51:16
  believe
• 51:16
  wholeheartedly
• 51:17
  or
• 51:17
  disagree
• 51:18
  with
• 51:18
  and
• 51:18
  then
• 51:18
  asking
• 51:19
  other
• 51:19
  people
• 51:19
  to
• 51:19
  come
• 51:19
  in,
• 51:19
  like
• 51:20
  what
• 51:20
  Tripp
• 51:20
  does
• 51:20
  with
• 51:20
  some
• 51:20
  of
• 51:20
  these
• 51:21
  other
• 51:21
  theologians,
• 51:21
  I
• 51:21
  feel
• 51:21
  like
• 51:22
  people
• 51:22
  just
• 51:22
  are
• 51:22
  like,
• 51:22
  oh,
• 51:23
  these
• 51:23
  are
• 51:23
  smart
• 51:23
  people
• 51:23
  talking
• 51:24
  about
• 51:24
  other
• 51:24
  smart
• 51:24
  people.
• 51:25
  This
• 51:25
  makes
• 51:25
  sense.
• 51:27
  But
• 51:27
  is
• 51:27
  there
• 51:27
  just
• 51:28
  benefit
• 51:28
  whether
• 51:29
  they're
• 51:29
  real
• 51:29
  people
• 51:29
  or
• 51:30
  not,
• 51:30
  of
• 51:30
  just
• 51:30
  wondering,
• 51:31
  what
• 51:31
  is
• 51:31
  someone
• 51:32
  else
• 51:32
  from
• 51:32
  a
• 51:32
  different
• 51:32
  context?
• 51:33
  What
• 51:33
  is
• 51:33
  someone
• 51:33
  from
• 51:34
  this
• 51:34
  story?
• 51:35
  How
• 51:35
  would
• 51:35
  they
• 51:35
  react
• 51:35
  to
• 51:36
  this
• 51:36
  idea
• 51:36
  that
• 51:36
  I'm
• 51:37
  talking
• 51:37
  about?
• 51:37
  Like,
• 51:38
  I
• 51:38
  don't
• 51:38
  know.
• 51:39
  I
• 51:39
  feel
• 51:39
  like
• 51:39
  there
• 51:39
  is
• 51:39
  innate
• 51:40
  benefit
• 51:41
  in
• 51:41
  doing
• 51:41
  that,
• 51:41
  whether
• 51:42
  it's
• 51:42
  a
• 51:42
  real
• 51:42
  character
• 51:43
  or
• 51:43
  not.
• 51:43
  But
• 51:44
  how
• 51:44
  would
• 51:44
  you
• 51:44
  guys
• 51:44
  articulate
• 51:45
  what
• 51:45
  that
• 51:46
  benefit
• 51:46
  might
• 51:46
  be
• 51:47
  for
• 51:47
  those
• 51:47
  wondering
• 51:48
  why
• 51:48
  we
• 51:48
  did
• 51:48
  this
• 51:48
  episode?
• 51:50
  Will
• 51:51
  anything.
• 51:52
  Oh,
• 51:52
  okay.
• 51:53
  I
• 51:53
  mean,
• 51:53
  besides
• 51:54
  it
• 51:54
  being
• 51:54
  just
• 51:54
  really
• 51:55
  fun
• 51:55
  and
• 51:55
  a
• 51:56
  fun
• 51:56
  chance
• 51:56
  to
• 51:56
  talk
• 51:57
  about
• 51:57
  some
• 51:57
  of
• 51:57
  the
• 51:58
  characters
• 51:58
  that
• 51:58
  we
• 51:58
  love
• 51:59
  and
• 51:59
  push
• 51:59
  back
• 51:59
  on
• 52:00
  each
• 52:00
  Other
• 52:00
  a
• 52:00
  little
• 52:00
  bit.
• 52:02
  It's
• 52:02
  all.
• 52:03
  Bringing
• 52:03
  in,
• 52:03
  especially
• 52:04
  fictional
• 52:04
  characters
• 52:05
  brings
• 52:05
  in
• 52:05
  compassion.
• 52:06
  Compassion
• 52:07
  is
• 52:07
  our
• 52:08
  super
• 52:08
  strength.
• 52:09
  It
• 52:09
  is
• 52:09
  our
• 52:10
  superpower.
• 52:12
  It
• 52:12
  allows
• 52:13
  us
• 52:13
  to
• 52:13
  maybe
• 52:14
  not
• 52:14
  be
• 52:14
  so
• 52:15
  personally
• 52:15
  attached
• 52:16
  to
• 52:16
  an
• 52:16
  issue
• 52:17
  or
• 52:18
  idea
• 52:18
  that
• 52:18
  we're
• 52:19
  trying
• 52:19
  to
• 52:19
  wrestle
• 52:19
  with.
• 52:19
  But
• 52:20
  if
• 52:20
  we
• 52:20
  can
• 52:20
  bring
• 52:20
  in
• 52:20
  some
• 52:20
  fictional
• 52:21
  characters
• 52:21
  and
• 52:22
  some
• 52:22
  hype
• 52:23
  hypotheticals,
• 52:25
  it
• 52:25
  takes
• 52:25
  some
• 52:25
  pressure
• 52:25
  off
• 52:26
  of
• 52:26
  the
• 52:26
  conversation,
• 52:27
  can
• 52:27
  take
• 52:27
  us
• 52:27
  to
• 52:28
  some
• 52:28
  really
• 52:28
  fun
• 52:29
  places.
• 52:29
  Yeah,
• 52:30
  yeah.
• 52:30
  And
• 52:30
  sometimes
• 52:32
  you
• 52:32
  gotta
• 52:32
  have
• 52:32
  that
• 52:32
  pressure
• 52:33
  valve
• 52:33
  release
• 52:34
  to
• 52:34
  be
• 52:34
  able
• 52:34
  to
• 52:34
  have
• 52:35
  the
• 52:35
  conversations
• 52:35
  you
• 52:35
  really
• 52:36
  need
• 52:36
  to
• 52:36
  have.
• 52:36
  And.
• 52:37
  Yeah,
• 52:38
  I
• 52:38
  think
• 52:38
  this
• 52:38
  helps.
• 52:39
  Yeah.
• 52:39
  And
• 52:39
  just
• 52:39
  to
• 52:40
  add
• 52:40
  that,
• 52:40
  like,
• 52:40
  we
• 52:40
  don't
• 52:40
  do
• 52:40
  this
• 52:41
  alone.
• 52:41
  We
• 52:41
  do
• 52:41
  this
• 52:41
  in
• 52:41
  community.
• 52:42
  We
• 52:42
  do
• 52:42
  this
• 52:43
  in
• 52:43
  relationship
• 52:43
  with
• 52:43
  other
• 52:43
  people.
• 52:44
  And
• 52:44
  so
• 52:44
  we're
• 52:45
  not
• 52:45
  isolated
• 52:45
  beings.
• 52:47
  And
• 52:47
  I
• 52:47
  think
• 52:47
  that's
• 52:47
  the
• 52:47
  gift
• 52:48
  of
• 52:48
  open
• 52:48
  and
• 52:48
  relational
• 52:49
  theology,
• 52:49
  philosophy
• 52:50
  or
• 52:50
  process.
• 52:51
  They
• 52:51
  were
• 52:51
  all
• 52:52
  evolving,
• 52:53
  growing
• 52:53
  creatures.
• 52:54
  And
• 52:54
  we
• 52:55
  do
• 52:55
  this
• 52:55
  in
• 52:55
  conversation
• 52:56
  with
• 52:56
  one
• 52:56
  another.
• 52:57
  And
• 52:57
  so
• 52:57
  even
• 52:57
  if
• 52:57
  it's
• 52:58
  a
• 52:58
  negative
• 52:59
  conversation,
• 52:59
  whatever,
• 52:59
  it
• 53:00
  still
• 53:00
  has
• 53:00
  an
• 53:00
  effect
• 53:00
  on
• 53:01
  me.
• 53:01
  And
• 53:01
  what
• 53:01
  I
• 53:01
  say
• 53:02
  to
• 53:02
  others,
• 53:02
  what
• 53:02
  I
• 53:03
  communicate
• 53:03
  to
• 53:03
  others
• 53:04
  makes
• 53:04
  a
• 53:04
  difference.
• 53:05
  And
• 53:05
  so
• 53:06
  it's
• 53:07
  important
• 53:07
  to
• 53:07
  bring
• 53:07
  in
• 53:08
  more
• 53:08
  voices
• 53:09
  to
• 53:09
  hear
• 53:10
  what's
• 53:10
  going
• 53:10
  on
• 53:11
  in
• 53:11
  the
• 53:11
  world
• 53:11
  and
• 53:11
  in
• 53:12
  our
• 53:12
  own
• 53:12
  worlds
• 53:12
  and
• 53:12
  context,
• 53:13
  and
• 53:14
  even
• 53:14
  fictional
• 53:14
  characters.
• 53:16
  Doing
• 53:16
  the
• 53:17
  thought
• 53:17
  experiment
• 53:18
  of
• 53:18
  bringing
• 53:19
  fictional
• 53:19
  characters
• 53:19
  into
• 53:20
  the
• 53:20
  conversation
• 53:20
  and
• 53:21
  how
• 53:21
  they
• 53:21
  would
• 53:21
  see
• 53:21
  things,
• 53:21
  I
• 53:22
  think
• 53:22
  is
• 53:22
  a
• 53:22
  pretty
• 53:22
  fun
• 53:22
  game.
• 53:23
  So,
• 53:23
  Joshua,
• 53:23
  thanks.
• 53:24
  Good
• 53:24
  job.
• 53:25
  Thank
• 53:25
  you.
• 53:26
  This
• 53:27
  was
• 53:27
  a
• 53:27
  lot
• 53:27
  of
• 53:27
  fun,
• 53:27
  and
• 53:28
  we're
• 53:29
  not
• 53:29
  completely
• 53:30
  done
• 53:30
  with
• 53:30
  it
• 53:30
  yet,
• 53:31
  but
• 53:32
  we
• 53:32
  are
• 53:32
  wrapping
• 53:32
  up
• 53:32
  the
• 53:33
  regular
• 53:33
  episode
• 53:34
  if
• 53:35
  you
• 53:35
  want
• 53:35
  to,
• 53:36
  though.
• 53:36
  We're
• 53:37
  going
• 53:37
  to
• 53:37
  do
• 53:37
  one
• 53:38
  more
• 53:38
  roll
• 53:39
  after
• 53:40
  the
• 53:40
  show,
• 53:40
  just
• 53:41
  for
• 53:41
  our
• 53:41
  patrons
• 53:42
  to
• 53:42
  see.
• 53:42
  We'll
• 53:43
  have
• 53:43
  one
• 53:43
  more
• 53:43
  character
• 53:44
  add
• 53:44
  in
• 53:44
  our
• 53:44
  conversation
• 53:45
  about
• 53:45
  open
• 53:45
  relational
• 53:46
  theology
• 53:46
  and
• 53:46
  liberation
• 53:47
  theology.
• 53:48
  With
• 53:49
  me,
• 53:50
  Jill.
• 53:50
  I
• 53:50
  think
• 53:50
  Will
• 53:51
  has
• 53:51
  to
• 53:51
  go,
• 53:51
  so
• 53:52
  Jill
• 53:53
  and
• 53:53
  I'll
• 53:53
  stick
• 53:53
  around
• 53:53
  and
• 53:54
  do
• 53:54
  that.
• 53:54
  Daredevil
• 53:55
  will
• 53:55
  still
• 53:55
  be
• 53:55
  here.
• 53:56
  Luke
• 53:56
  Cage
• 53:56
  will
• 53:56
  still
• 53:56
  be
• 53:57
  here.
• 53:57
  Iron
• 53:57
  Man,
• 53:58
  Hellboy
• 53:59
  and
• 54:00
  Nightwing
• 54:00
  and
• 54:01
  Magneto
• 54:02
  and
• 54:02
  Deadpool.
• 54:04
  So
• 54:04
  we'll
• 54:04
  see.
• 54:05
  We'll
• 54:05
  see
• 54:05
  who
• 54:05
  else
• 54:05
  gets
• 54:06
  added
• 54:06
  and
• 54:06
  what
• 54:06
  the
• 54:06
  conversation
• 54:07
  ends
• 54:07
  up
• 54:07
  looking
• 54:08
  like
• 54:08
  after
• 54:09
  the
• 54:09
  show.
• 54:10
  Will,
• 54:10
  before
• 54:10
  you
• 54:11
  go,
• 54:12
  if
• 54:12
  you
• 54:12
  can
• 54:12
  hear
• 54:12
  me
• 54:13
  up.
• 54:13
  Nope,
• 54:13
  he's
• 54:13
  gone.
• 54:15
  Will's
• 54:15
  recommendation
• 54:16
  was
• 54:16
  for
• 54:16
  everyone
• 54:17
  to
• 54:17
  play
• 54:17
  Kingdom
• 54:17
  Hearts.
• 54:18
  He
• 54:19
  loved
• 54:20
  hearing
• 54:20
  people
• 54:20
  talk
• 54:20
  about
• 54:21
  that
• 54:21
  video
• 54:21
  game,
• 54:21
  especially
• 54:22
  me.
• 54:23
  So
• 54:23
  that
• 54:23
  was
• 54:23
  his
• 54:24
  recommendation.
• 54:24
  He
• 54:24
  just
• 54:24
  doesn't
• 54:25
  know
• 54:25
  it.
• 54:26
  Jill,
• 54:27
  do
• 54:27
  you
• 54:27
  have
• 54:27
  a
• 54:27
  recommendation
• 54:28
  for
• 54:28
  our
• 54:28
  regular
• 54:29
  listeners?
• 54:29
  It
• 54:30
  doesn't
• 54:30
  have
• 54:30
  to
• 54:30
  be
• 54:30
  related
• 54:30
  to
• 54:31
  anything
• 54:31
  we
• 54:31
  talked
• 54:31
  about,
• 54:31
  but
• 54:32
  it
• 54:32
  could
• 54:32
  be.
• 54:32
  Oh,
• 54:33
  gosh,
• 54:34
  I
• 54:34
  think
• 54:34
  I
• 54:34
  didn't
• 54:34
  read
• 54:34
  that
• 54:35
  part
• 54:35
  of
• 54:35
  the
• 54:35
  notes.
• 54:35
  I
• 54:35
  was
• 54:36
  not
• 54:36
  prepared
• 54:37
  a
• 54:37
  recommendation.
• 54:38
  Well,
• 54:38
  maybe
• 54:39
  it
• 54:39
  is.
• 54:40
  The
• 54:40
  thing
• 54:41
  I
• 54:41
  said
• 54:41
  I
• 54:41
  was
• 54:41
  geeking
• 54:42
  out
• 54:42
  about
• 54:42
  my
• 54:42
  recommendation
• 54:43
  is
• 54:44
  the
• 54:45
  television
• 54:46
  show
• 54:46
  the
• 54:46
  Netflix
• 54:47
  Show
• 54:47
  Forever.
• 54:48
  It's
• 54:49
  just
• 54:49
  came
• 54:49
  out
• 54:50
  maybe
• 54:50
  a
• 54:51
  couple
• 54:51
  months
• 54:51
  ago
• 54:52
  and
• 54:52
  it's
• 54:53
  around
• 54:53
  high
• 54:54
  school
• 54:54
  love.
• 54:54
  It's
• 54:55
  like
• 54:55
  two
• 54:55
  people
• 54:55
  that
• 54:56
  meet
• 54:56
  at
• 54:57
  a
• 54:57
  New
• 54:57
  Year's
• 54:57
  Eve
• 54:57
  party.
• 54:58
  And
• 54:59
  they
• 54:59
  had
• 54:59
  gone
• 54:59
  to
• 54:59
  kindergarten
• 55:00
  together,
• 55:00
  so
• 55:00
  they
• 55:01
  hadn't
• 55:01
  seen
• 55:01
  each
• 55:01
  other
• 55:01
  since
• 55:01
  they
• 55:02
  were
• 55:02
  little
• 55:02
  kids.
• 55:02
  And
• 55:03
  then
• 55:03
  it's
• 55:03
  their
• 55:03
  love
• 55:03
  story.
• 55:04
  I
• 55:04
  believe
• 55:05
  that
• 55:05
  the
• 55:06
  male
• 55:06
  character
• 55:06
  is
• 55:07
  neurodivergent.
• 55:08
  And
• 55:09
  they
• 55:09
  are
• 55:11
  just
• 55:11
  kind
• 55:11
  of
• 55:11
  dealing
• 55:11
  with
• 55:12
  the
• 55:12
  things
• 55:12
  that
• 55:12
  high
• 55:12
  schoolers
• 55:13
  deal
• 55:13
  with.
• 55:13
  It's
• 55:14
  like,
• 55:14
  you
• 55:15
  know,
• 55:15
  deciding
• 55:15
  whether
• 55:15
  or
• 55:15
  not
• 55:16
  to
• 55:16
  be
• 55:16
  sexually
• 55:16
  active.
• 55:17
  And
• 55:18
  they're
• 55:18
  both
• 55:20
  black
• 55:20
  students
• 55:21
  at
• 55:21
  predominantly
• 55:22
  or
• 55:22
  living
• 55:23
  in
• 55:23
  predominantly
• 55:23
  white
• 55:23
  spaces.
• 55:24
  It's.
• 55:25
  I
• 55:25
  think
• 55:25
  it's
• 55:26
  a
• 55:26
  great
• 55:26
  show.
• 55:26
  My
• 55:26
  recommendation.
• 55:27
  Okay,
• 55:28
  nice,
• 55:28
  nice.
• 55:28
  That
• 55:28
  sounds
• 55:29
  really
• 55:30
  interesting.
• 55:30
  I'm
• 55:31
  gonna
• 55:31
  go
• 55:32
  actually,
• 55:33
  I'm
• 55:33
  gonna
• 55:33
  go
• 55:33
  Relative.
• 55:34
  That's
• 55:34
  what
• 55:34
  I'm
• 55:34
  gonna
• 55:34
  do.
• 55:35
  I
• 55:35
  mentioned
• 55:36
  it
• 55:36
  earlier.
• 55:37
  We
• 55:37
  almost
• 55:37
  did
• 55:38
  this
• 55:38
  episode
• 55:39
  reviewing
• 55:40
  Devil's
• 55:41
  Reign,
• 55:41
  the
• 55:41
  Marvel
• 55:42
  comic
• 55:42
  event.
• 55:43
  It's.
• 55:44
  It's
• 55:44
  not
• 55:44
  necessarily
• 55:45
  the
• 55:45
  best
• 55:45
  Marvel
• 55:46
  comics
• 55:46
  or
• 55:46
  anything.
• 55:47
  I
• 55:47
  think
• 55:47
  they're
• 55:47
  really
• 55:48
  good.
• 55:48
  But
• 55:49
  the
• 55:49
  political
• 55:50
  take
• 55:51
  that
• 55:51
  it
• 55:51
  goes
• 55:51
  through,
• 55:53
  showing
• 55:53
  Luke
• 55:53
  Cage
• 55:54
  running
• 55:54
  for
• 55:54
  mayor
• 55:54
  against
• 55:55
  the
• 55:55
  Wilson
• 55:55
  Fisk
• 55:56
  and
• 55:56
  all
• 55:56
  this,
• 55:57
  like,
• 55:57
  the
• 55:57
  ins
• 55:57
  and
• 55:57
  outs
• 55:58
  Killgrave
• 55:58
  gets
• 55:58
  involved.
• 55:59
  I
• 55:59
  think
• 56:00
  it's
• 56:00
  a
• 56:00
  lot
• 56:00
  of
• 56:00
  fun.
• 56:01
  I
• 56:01
  also
• 56:01
  think
• 56:01
  it
• 56:02
  fun
• 56:03
  material.
• 56:04
  I
• 56:04
  think
• 56:04
  they're
• 56:04
  pulling
• 56:04
  a
• 56:04
  little
• 56:04
  bit
• 56:04
  from
• 56:05
  in
• 56:05
  the
• 56:05
  new
• 56:05
  Daredevil
• 56:06
  series.
• 56:06
  So
• 56:07
  before
• 56:07
  the
• 56:07
  next
• 56:07
  season
• 56:07
  comes
• 56:08
  out,
• 56:08
  you
• 56:08
  might
• 56:08
  wanna.
• 56:09
  Yeah,
• 56:09
  I
• 56:09
  think
• 56:10
  it
• 56:10
  is
• 56:10
  gonna
• 56:10
  pull
• 56:10
  in.
• 56:11
  Yeah.
• 56:11
  And
• 56:11
  the
• 56:11
  new
• 56:12
  Daredevil
• 56:12
  series
• 56:12
  is
• 56:13
  great.
• 56:14
  It's
• 56:14
  wonderful.
• 56:14
  I
• 56:15
  love
• 56:15
  it.
• 56:15
  I
• 56:15
  love
• 56:16
  it.
• 56:16
  Yeah.
• 56:16
  So
• 56:16
  that's
• 56:17
  our
• 56:17
  other
• 56:17
  recommendation.
• 56:18
  If
• 56:18
  you
• 56:18
  haven't
• 56:19
  seen
• 56:19
  Daredevil
• 56:19
  born
• 56:20
  again,
• 56:20
  watch
• 56:21
  that.
• 56:23
  But
• 56:23
  yeah,
• 56:23
  guys,
• 56:23
  again,
• 56:24
  we
• 56:24
  appreciate
• 56:25
  everybody
• 56:25
  taking
• 56:25
  the
• 56:25
  time
• 56:26
  just
• 56:26
  to
• 56:26
  listen
• 56:26
  to
• 56:26
  this
• 56:26
  and
• 56:27
  hang
• 56:27
  out
• 56:27
  with
• 56:28
  us
• 56:28
  in
• 56:28
  all
• 56:28
  these
• 56:29
  interesting
• 56:29
  characters
• 56:30
  we
• 56:30
  brought
• 56:30
  in.
• 56:31
  So
• 56:31
  interesting.
• 56:33
  Oh,
• 56:33
  yeah.
• 56:33
  Well,
• 56:34
  guys,
• 56:34
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• 56:34
  you're
• 56:34
  on
• 56:34
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• 56:34
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• 56:35
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• 56:35
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• 56:36
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• 56:36
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• 56:37
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• 56:37
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• 56:37
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• 56:37
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• 56:38
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• 56:38
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• 56:39
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• 56:40
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• 56:40
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• 56:40
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• 56:41
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• 56:41
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• 56:41
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• 56:42
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• 56:42
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• 56:42
  though,
• 56:42
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• 56:42
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• 56:43
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• 56:43
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• 56:43
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• 56:43
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• 56:44
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• 56:44
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• 56:45
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• 56:45
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• 56:45
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• 56:45
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• 56:46
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• 56:46
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• 56:46
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• 56:46
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• 56:46
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• 56:46
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• 56:47
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• 56:48
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• 56:48
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• 56:49
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• 56:50
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• 56:51
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• 56:51
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• 56:51
  like,
• 56:52
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• 56:52
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• 56:52
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• 56:52
  So
• 56:53
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• 56:53
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• 56:53
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• 56:54
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• 56:54
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• 56:54
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• 56:55
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• 56:55
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• 56:56
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• 56:56
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• 56:58
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• 56:58
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• 56:58
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• 56:58
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• 56:59
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• 56:59
  Right,
• 56:59
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• 56:59
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• 57:01
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• 57:01
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